What's wrong with this newsgroup?
Preston Crawford
of this newsgroup isn't very high. On one side we have an environmental
extremist waging war against mountain bikers, and on the other side we have
extreme mountain bikers who think you aren't really living unless you're
risking your life, spending thousands of dollars, and covering every inch of
this planet with tire treads.
Isn't there a middle ground. Aren't there people here that just like to
bike, get exercise, see some beautiful country, etc? So much preaching. So
much garbage.
Preston
DJ
<prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote:
<snip whining>
The problem with this newsgroup is hunorless fucks like you who
can't figure out how to:
a) Filter Vandeman
b) Ignore threads that offend your delicate sensibilities.
Besides those perrenial problems, everything is hunky-dory.
Pete Fagerlin
http://www.petefagerlin.com
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DJ
I just visited your site.
Very impressive! The depth of content is amazing, simply amazing.
http://www.crawfordsolutions.com
Laljit Sidhu, Psy.D.
extremist in views? There are a lot of different styles to mountain biking.
Kane <touc...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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> Sorry, bout this but gunna have to say it
>
> Why do you think its called alt.mountain-bike?
>
> --
> ___________________________________
> The little boat gently drifted across the pond
> exactly the way a bowling ball wouldn't.
> (Russell Beland, Springfield)
> Preston Crawford <prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote in
> message news:O7zFnrA3$GA.280@cpmsnbbsa09...
Daron Shade
Preston Crawford wrote in message ...
Kane
Why do you think its called alt.mountain-bike?
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Preston Crawford <prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote in
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gazzer
Laljit Sidhu, Psy.D.
did i tell you i saw a very fluffy bunny while i was out riding the other
day, it was lovely.
Laljit Sidhu, Psy.D. wrote in message ...
>True it is called alt.mountain-bike. But, I think the point is ... why so
>extremist in views? There are a lot of different styles to mountain biking.
>
>
>Kane <touc...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>news:1_h45.20395$N4.7...@ozemail.com.au...
Tony Raven
Tony
Pete
Laljit Sidhu, Psy.D. <alie...@onemain.com> wrote in message
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> True it is called alt.mountain-bike. But, I think the point is ... why so
> extremist in views? There are a lot of different styles to mountain
biking.
>
>
*alt* being the key word here. Extremist views are the norm.
Pete
Anthony Sloan
There are lots of good people here, and conversation drifts from topic
to topic. Sometimes its mountain biking, sometimes its chocolate chip
cookie recipies.
Stick around and learn, but don't post a "you all suck" message. That
puts you in the same league as the trolls you would presume to judge an
entire group by.
A
--
My hands are full of thorns but I can't quit groping for the rose.
Preston Crawford
site.
Preston
"DJ" <peteNO...@petefagerlin.com.invalid> wrote in message
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Preston Crawford
sense.
Preston
"Kane" <touc...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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> Sorry, bout this but gunna have to say it
>
> Why do you think its called alt.mountain-bike?
>
> --
> ___________________________________
> The little boat gently drifted across the pond
> exactly the way a bowling ball wouldn't.
> (Russell Beland, Springfield)
Deceiver
discard the rest. This advice may help you in regular living as well Mr.
Preston Crawford.
Corvus Corvax
>Having just recently gotten into cycling, I have to say that my
>impression of this newsgroup isn't very high.
Wow. And what makes you think we care what you think? Let me clue
you in on something: showing up and saying "I'm a newbie here and
I think you all suck" is not going to give anybody much reason to
listen to you.
>Isn't there a middle ground. Aren't there people here that just
>like to bike, get exercise, see some beautiful country, etc?
I just like to hammer, bleed, get muddy and dodge trucks. Does
that count? And why don't you just shut the hell up and ride
anyway?
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Paul W
unnacountable for their words, they are bound to be a little more aggressive
and extreme with their views.
I think you will find that almost all the posters here are environmentally
and ecologically concerned, while effectively maintaining a passion for the
the sport, and the conveyances thereof, which gives us so much pleasure.
Your post is a very good example of extremism.
Ride happy and take care of the trails.
Paul W
Preston Crawford <prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote in
message news:O7zFnrA3$GA.280@cpmsnbbsa09...
> Having just recently gotten into cycling, I have to say that my impression
> of this newsgroup isn't very high. On one side we have an environmental
> extremist waging war against mountain bikers, and on the other side we
have
> extreme mountain bikers who think you aren't really living unless you're
> risking your life, spending thousands of dollars, and covering every inch
of
> this planet with tire treads.
>
> Isn't there a middle ground. Aren't there people here that just like to
ozarkmtbr
newsgroup. I have seen very little extremism here. In some cases, ppl just
have different views. Are you just wanting a newsgroup where everyone
agrees on everything? As for the environmental extremist......we would all
be happy if he was to never post here again, but there is very little we can
do to stop that. Don't come in and flame the group because of a few
'extremists'. If you don't like this group, then go find another one that
fits your needs and doesn't have any arguments. BTW, good luck finding one
and when Mikey shows up, tell him we said hi and that he should move to
Alaska.
G.T.
Absolutely nothing.
Greg
--
"Why does a man with nothing to say, he always seems to talk?" - Marc
Riley
G.T.
>
> True it is called alt.mountain-bike. But, I think the point is ... why so
> extremist in views? There are a lot of different styles to mountain biking.
>
I'm not extremist. I ride to ride, nothing more, nothing less.
lem...@my-deja.com
"Paul W" <paulwh...@home.com> wrote:
> Relative anonymity breeds licensiousness. Wherever and whenever
people are
> unnacountable for their words, they are bound to be a little more
aggressive
> and extreme with their views.
>
Yes, exactly! I find that aspect of electronic communications
facinating. Also, because of that "relative anonymity," people of all
ages are now interacting each other without respect to traditional
social protocols. In a newsgroup, a 14 year old can communicate with a
47 year old. In "real life," it is doubtful that either the 14 year
old or the 47 year old would take each other seriously.
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Before you buy.
Preston Crawford
news:iWo45.3326$Sh2.1...@news1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com...
> Your post is a very good example of extremism.
How do you figure? I'm just pointing out what I've observed. There are
always extremists in every newsgroup, but I find it sad that the extremists
in this newsgroup are countered by extremists on the other side. Usually, in
most newsgroups, extremists are met with disregard or they're ignored.
Preston
CJMutt
<prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote:
>Right, but why the extremist views and the fighting. It doesn't make any
>sense.
>
>Preston
Well, Preston, people have been extremists and fighting for centuries,
so it must have something going for it.
Perhaps a moderated (censored/sanitized) newsgroup such as
rec.bicycles.off-road would be more to your liking. Kill-filters work
for me.
CJMutt
Jm Smth
>
> Isn't there a middle ground. Aren't there people here that just like to
> bike, get exercise, see some beautiful country, etc? So much preaching. So
> much garbage.
>
> Preston
So many dumb questions. You should have started with "What's *right*
with this newsgroup?".
The solution? Stop reading Usenet and go ride.
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> Right, but why the extremist views and the fighting. It doesn't make any
> sense.
I think you are taking our troll(s) too seriously.
#1 Filter Mike Vandeman. This cleans up lots of crap.
#2 Consider the diversity of humans.
#3 Go ride.
samurai
> Right, but why the extremist views and the fighting. It doesn't make any
> sense.
>
Last person to say that was nailed to a cross.
samuri 'and no, it wasn't Rodney King!'
samurai
"Deceiver" <decei...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8Go45.29383$Y4.1...@typhoon2.san.rr.com...
> Opinions are like @ss holes, everyone has one. Take the ones you like and
> discard the rest. This advice may help you in regular living as well Mr.
> Preston Crawford.
Take the assholes you like?
samuri 'worried'
Pete Fagerlin
wrote in message news:u5DI#6E3$GA.77@cpmsnbbsa07...
> What does that have to do with anything? I'm too busy working
to work on my
> site.
It's just very impressive. I'm sure it really impresses your
clients.
That's all.
--
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http://www.petefagerlin.com
>
> "DJ" <peteNO...@petefagerlin.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:178ccaf7...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com...
> > Me again.
> >
> > I just visited your site.
> >
> > Very impressive! The depth of content is amazing, simply
amazing.
> >
> > http://www.crawfordsolutions.com
> >
> > Pete Fagerlin
> > http://www.petefagerlin.com
> >
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Thank god it was not the pics of you dancing with all your clothes off.
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Paul W
Preston
I digress. After re-reading your original post I realize that your
statements were in no way extremist. I came to that conclusion as a result
of browsing through the thread rather than considering only the original
post. Sorry.
You do make a good point but consider what I have said. Relative anonymity
breeds licentiousness.
Paul W
Preston Crawford <prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote in
message news:u9TTorF3$GA.138@cpmsnbbsa08...
> "Paul W" <paulwh...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:iWo45.3326$Sh2.1...@news1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com...
> > Your post is a very good example of extremism.
>
> How do you figure? I'm just pointing out what I've observed. There are
> always extremists in every newsgroup, but I find it sad that the
extremists
> in this newsgroup are countered by extremists on the other side. Usually,
in
> most newsgroups, extremists are met with disregard or they're ignored.
>
> Preston
>
>
John E. Williams
Shut up and ride!
We all have a passion for this sport. You may call it extreme but it is just
passion.
I have been bouncing in and out of this group for a few years. Get a sense
of humor and a good troll killer and you might enjoy yourself and learn a
thing or two.
John E.
"Preston Crawford" <prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote in
message news:O7zFnrA3$GA.280@cpmsnbbsa09...
> Having just recently gotten into cycling, I have to say that my impression
> of this newsgroup isn't very high. On one side we have an environmental
> extremist waging war against mountain bikers, and on the other side we
have
> extreme mountain bikers who think you aren't really living unless you're
> risking your life, spending thousands of dollars, and covering every inch
of
> this planet with tire treads.
>
J D
wEBtvERS!!!
jd
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Paladin
intolerance I have for folks who go out and buy a piece of crap, then come onto
the ng for the first time, and demand that everybody faun all over their
purchase. I'm as honest in real life as I am on the ng. I love taking out
beginners, breaking them in, encouraging them, but if they buy a piece of crap,
and ask my opinion, I'll give it. Is that extreme? I don't think so. And it
might save their life.
Personally, I get enough fighting & arguing in "real-life" so I like to be
light and encouraging whenever possible. But don't expect everyone to be
namby-pamby and agree on everything. That's not life, that's not interesting.
Then there's the folks who don't know anything who always jump in with the most
authority, giving advice. That's OK, too, since they usually qualifiy what they
have to say, and there're no rules against speaking up, even if you're stupid as
a fencepost.
Sorry the ng did not live up to your expectations. The ng is not at fault. It
is what it is, and to a lesser extent, what you want to make it. See a topic
you want discussed? post a message, start a thread. Don't like what you see?
Look the other way.
I think it boils down to: Lead, follow, or get out.
Paladin
Thus endeth the sermon, bruthas & siztas!
Chris Glidden
for the population. Yes, we do have our whackos, but as far as your other
observation you are way off-base. Most every regular/family mamber does not
care what type of bike you ride (w/the exception of department store
specials, and only thhen because we urge people not to make the mistake of
buying unsafe equipment), or even how well you ride. Just the fact that you
are involved in the sport is acceptance enough. We have riders from every
skill level, age, and sex that are well respected and liked by all. We have
racers, addicts (riding 3 to 4 times a week such as myself), weekend
warriors, and newbies. We have no prejudice. Yes, there is a fair amount
of rousting and harrasment amongst the regulars, rarely does anyone get
offended or hurt. It is like a family with bickering siblings. Take the
time to lurk and get a feel for this happy home. If you still don't like
it, that's OK. I seriously doubt anyone will cry because your gone.
Preston Crawford wrote in message ...
Paul W
PW
Paladin <cdb...@uswest.net> wrote in message
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Preston Crawford
self-employed.) That's just something I do to make spare change. Once again,
what's your point? It's the defense of a weak mind to turn to personal
attacks when they have nothing to say?
I shouldn't even have to defend myself by saying that I use the URL mostly
for email right now or that I'm gainfully employed and the clients I've had
in the past are happy. It shouldn't be an issue.
Preston
"Pete Fagerlin" <pe...@petefagerlin.com> wrote in message
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> Preston Crawford <prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com>
> wrote in message news:u5DI#6E3$GA.77@cpmsnbbsa07...
> > What does that have to do with anything? I'm too busy working
> to work on my
> > site.
>
> It's just very impressive. I'm sure it really impresses your
> clients.
>
> That's all.
>
> --
> Pete Fagerlin
> http://www.petefagerlin.com
>
>
> >
Preston Crawford
onto
> the ng for the first time, and demand that everybody faun all over their
> purchase. I'm as honest in real life as I am on the ng. I love taking
out
Not sure what that means and maybe I haven't been here long enough, but I
don't see what's wrong with being proud of your purchase, even if it is a
piece of crap. My bike is a piece of crap relatively speaking, a $400 Trek.
But it's getting me exercise, saving me gas money and when I feel I'm back
in the groove I'll buy a better bike. Give some examples of "demanding
everybody faun" because I'm not sure what you mean by that.
> and ask my opinion, I'll give it. Is that extreme? I don't think so.
And it
> might save their life.
No, that's not extreme. I think what's extreme is when people are
judgemental of other people's level of enjoyment of the sport. You're
correct that if someone takes something unsafe on a potentially dangerous
ride then you almost have a duty to let them know.
However, I've noticed here and in other MTB communities and media since I've
been back at it, that there is a bit of snobbery these days, which I think
is unfortunate. I've seen an attitude that if you're not extreme as me or
not as "into it" as me then you're not really into biking at all. I've
always thought of Mountain Biking as this fast umbrella under which
hardcore, extreme, and hobbyist riders could all get along pretty well, so
it caught me off guard to read flame threads where people are being
chastised for not being hardcore enough.
> namby-pamby and agree on everything. That's not life, that's not
interesting.
Agreed.
> Sorry the ng did not live up to your expectations. The ng is not at
fault. It
> is what it is, and to a lesser extent, what you want to make it. See a
topic
> you want discussed? post a message, start a thread. Don't like what you
see?
> Look the other way.
I agree.
Preston
Preston Crawford
news:EKr45.14614$A%3.17...@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com...
> Preston,
> Shut up and ride!
> We all have a passion for this sport. You may call it extreme but it is
just
> passion.
Nothing extreme about passion. What's extreme is to think that if I'm not as
passionate as you or not spending as much money on it as you then I'm not a
"real" mountain biker.
Preston
Pete Fagerlin
wrote in message news:OTQWcWH3$GA.399@cpmsnbbsa08...
> I don't currently have clients because I'm working for a
company (not
> self-employed.) That's just something I do to make spare
change. Once again,
> what's your point?
My point is that I love the depth of content. Rarely do I get to
visit a site that is entirely under construction. It's absolutely
riveting.
>It's the defense of a weak mind to turn to personal
> attacks when they have nothing to say?
No, it's just someone commenting on a funny website. Regarding
the "personal" attacks, you reap what you sow.
> I shouldn't even have to defend myself by saying that I use the
URL mostly
> for email right now or that I'm gainfully employed and the
clients I've had
> in the past are happy. It shouldn't be an issue.
Then why are you making it an issue by defending yourself?
It seems pretty silly to me.
Preston Crawford
> You do make a good point but consider what I have said. Relative
anonymity
> breeds licentiousness.
I agree. Witness other portions of this thread. I'm being slammed for my
home page, which isn't even part of the topic. I suppose I should have
hidden behind a fake email address and a fake name.
Preston
Preston Crawford
mistaken impression that most Mountain Bikers appreciated nature. Thus the
reason I was disturbed to see backlash to Mikey's postings that equaled his
extremism and took it a step further by flaunting disregard for the
environment.
I also had the impression that Mountain Bikers could kind of relate whether
hardcore or not, but I've seen a few threads where there is a type of
classism about what you ride.
So no, I wouldn't want to censor anyone from saying those things, I just was
sad to see it.
Preston
"CJMutt" <n...@this.address.com> wrote in message
news:8itb19$2av$0...@pita.alt.net...
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:37:30 -0700, "Preston Crawford"
> <prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote:
>
> >Right, but why the extremist views and the fighting. It doesn't make any
> >sense.
> >
Pete Fagerlin
wrote in message news:OLAIidH3$GA.77@cpmsnbbsa08...
> "Paul W" <paulwh...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:xJr45.3733$Sh2.1...@news1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com...
> > You do make a good point but consider what I have said.
Relative
> anonymity
> > breeds licentiousness.
>
> I agree. Witness other portions of this thread. I'm being
slammed for my
> home page, which isn't even part of the topic.
Hey Einstein, which part of Pete Fagerlin do you consider to be
anonymous?
You have your head up your ass again.
>I suppose I should have
> hidden behind a fake email address and a fake name.
I would suggest whi...@crybaby.com.
It's not too late to change it.
--
Pete "probably the least anonymous person around these parts"
Fagerlin
http://www.petefagerlin.com
p.s. Since you evidently ignored the curriculum in USENET 101
(especially the lurking part), just do a deja search for "pete
fagerlin info" if you're still confused.
Pete Fagerlin
wrote in message news:#qqCXcH3$GA.349@cpmsnbbsa08...<snip>
>I've
> always thought of Mountain Biking as this fast umbrella under
which
> hardcore, extreme, and hobbyist riders could all get along
pretty well, so
> it caught me off guard to read flame threads where people are
being
> chastised for not being hardcore enough.
Ah, the ole "everyone who mountain bikes must think alike and
agree on evrything just because they ride on two wheels in the
dirt" fallacy.
We've seen that flawed reasoning before.
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available.
Preston Crawford
> My point is that I love the depth of content. Rarely do I get to
> visit a site that is entirely under construction. It's absolutely
> riveting.
Once again, so what? I don't care. It's not there for your enjoyment, nor do
I currently have clients so I use it mostly to store stuff I want to show to
friends, ship files back and forth (eBay photos, etc.) and to have a
permanent email address. So what is your point?
> >It's the defense of a weak mind to turn to personal
> > attacks when they have nothing to say?
>
> No, it's just someone commenting on a funny website. Regarding
> the "personal" attacks, you reap what you sow.
How do you figure? I made commentary about comments I read on the newsgroup.
My website has nothing to do with this newsgroup.
> Then why are you making it an issue by defending yourself?
>
> It seems pretty silly to me.
It is pretty silly, so why stoop to that kind of level to attack someone.
Obviously my comments about the newsgroup are adequate fodder in and of
themselves, so why not be above this kind of garbage and argue with me about
that, rather than stooping to making fun of a website I know sucks and don't
currently use actively?
Preston
Jm Smth
Geez, can't you get anything correct? It's all about *serious* mountain
biking, not *real* mountain biking.
Go ride.
Pete Fagerlin
wrote in message news:eGxeYlH3$GA.386@cpmsnbbsa08...
> "Pete Fagerlin" <pe...@petefagerlin.com> wrote in message
> news:8itm1h$o...@journal.concentric.net...
> > My point is that I love the depth of content. Rarely do I get
to
> > visit a site that is entirely under construction. It's
absolutely
> > riveting.
>
> Once again, so what? I don't care.
Hey Einstein, you're lying. If you didn't care, you wouldn't
still be whining about your hurt feelings.
>It's not there for your enjoyment, nor do
> I currently have clients so I use it mostly to store stuff I
want to show to
> friends, ship files back and forth (eBay photos, etc.) and to
have a
> permanent email address. So what is your point?
See above.
> > >It's the defense of a weak mind to turn to personal
> > > attacks when they have nothing to say?
> >
> > No, it's just someone commenting on a funny website.
Regarding
> > the "personal" attacks, you reap what you sow.
>
> How do you figure? I made commentary about comments I read on
the newsgroup.
> My website has nothing to do with this newsgroup.
But it has something to do with you, and you were the one who
made the silly comments about the newsgroup.
> > Then why are you making it an issue by defending yourself?
> >
> > It seems pretty silly to me.
>
> It is pretty silly, so why stoop to that kind of level to
attack someone.
> Obviously my comments about the newsgroup are adequate fodder
in and of
> themselves, so why not be above this kind of garbage and argue
with me about
> that, rather than stooping to making fun of a website I know
sucks and don't
> currently use actively?
Because you don't care about the website comments.
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Corvus Corvax
>
>Hey Einstein, which part of Pete Fagerlin do you consider to be
>anonymous?
I think it's the "Pete" part. Do I win?
Actually, I think "Einstein" is going to fit in here quite well.
He's already started one long, pointless flamefest.
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news:17fb1fc0...@usw-ex0103-019.remarq.com...
> "Pete Fagerlin" <pe...@petefagerlin.com> wrote:
> >
> >Hey Einstein, which part of Pete Fagerlin do you consider to
be
> >anonymous?
>
> I think it's the "Pete" part. Do I win?
Correct. My legal name is Peter.
Your Biopace big ring will be shipped today.
> Actually, I think "Einstein" is going to fit in here quite
well.
> He's already started one long, pointless flamefest.
Yeah, I'm just waiting for him to ask about helmets, risers, etc.
> Keen.com: Your source for nude Margaret Thatcher jpegs!
That is beyond the pale.
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Paladin
more hardcore than you, so you're a twit, go home" type posts. Maybe I know
who to avoid. I like the RR's, the off-topic ramblings, skills discussions, and
occasionally the tech stuff. I like reading about riding from other parts of
the globe, and keeping in touch with folks I've never met (with a couple
exceptions), but call them virtual friends. In fact, I'm hosting one of our
most "hardcore riders" from the ng at my house this weekend. Anyone care to
guess? And we might not even get to ride that much. But we'll laugh, play with
the kids, raft, eat and drink! Live it up. That's what its about.
Snobbery comes everywhere. It's rampant in all sports, and pretty comical,
since who gives a rip? I saw it most often in the martial arts, and
particularly kickboxing, which is really comical, because it really got down to
who's standing after 10 rounds. No way to fake that with an expensive bike and
outfit.
Mtnbiking, I only see snobbery every once in a while from these perfectly
color-coordinated peacocks who sneer at anybody who hasn't invested as much as
them in looking the part. Just Ride. Laugh. Just Ride. Invite Others. Just
Ride. Take out Beginners. Just Ride. Laugh at Yourself. Just Ride. Sign up
for a Race. Just Ride. Help others. Just Ride. Fall down trying to hop a curb
in front of the Rider's watering hole. Just Ride. Have fun. Just Ride.
Ignore the snobs. Just ride.
paladin
Preston Crawford wrote:
> "Paladin" <cdb...@uswest.net> wrote in message
> news:3952533F...@uswest.net...
> > intolerance I have for folks who go out and buy a piece of crap, then come
> onto
> > the ng for the first time, and demand that everybody faun all over their
> > purchase. I'm as honest in real life as I am on the ng. I love taking
> out
>
> Not sure what that means and maybe I haven't been here long enough, but I
> don't see what's wrong with being proud of your purchase, even if it is a
> piece of crap. My bike is a piece of crap relatively speaking, a $400 Trek.
> But it's getting me exercise, saving me gas money and when I feel I'm back
> in the groove I'll buy a better bike. Give some examples of "demanding
> everybody faun" because I'm not sure what you mean by that.
>
> > and ask my opinion, I'll give it. Is that extreme? I don't think so.
> And it
> > might save their life.
>
> No, that's not extreme. I think what's extreme is when people are
> judgemental of other people's level of enjoyment of the sport. You're
> correct that if someone takes something unsafe on a potentially dangerous
> ride then you almost have a duty to let them know.
>
> However, I've noticed here and in other MTB communities and media since I've
> been back at it, that there is a bit of snobbery these days, which I think
> is unfortunate. I've seen an attitude that if you're not extreme as me or
> not as "into it" as me then you're not really into biking at all. I've
> always thought of Mountain Biking as this fast umbrella under which
> hardcore, extreme, and hobbyist riders could all get along pretty well, so
> it caught me off guard to read flame threads where people are being
> chastised for not being hardcore enough.
>
Preston Crawford
> Hey Einstein, you're lying. If you didn't care, you wouldn't
> still be whining about your hurt feelings.
Well, obviously I care to the extent that I want to explain that it isn't
representative of the work I do as a programmer, but other than that I don't
care and it isn't relevant to the subject at hand and the fact that you've
chosen to go this route is unfortunate.
> But it has something to do with you, and you were the one who
> made the silly comments about the newsgroup.
Like I said. Personal attacks are the defense of a weak mind. So since you
have nothing of substance to say about my comments you attack me. Very
mature. At least you admitted as much.
Preston
Preston Crawford
> Ah, the ole "everyone who mountain bikes must think alike and
> agree on evrything just because they ride on two wheels in the
> dirt" fallacy.
No. I never said that they must think alike. I was just caught off guard by
this attitude that non-hardcore riders aren't "really" mountain biking.
Preston
Preston Crawford
> Hey Einstein, which part of Pete Fagerlin do you consider to be
> anonymous?
>
No. You have your head up your ass. I wasn't saying YOU were anonymous, only
that I suppose I should have been like many other people on the USENET are.
> I would suggest whi...@crybaby.com.
>
> It's not too late to change it.
Another mature intelligent response.
Preston
Anthony Sloan
Preston Crawford wrote:
>
> "John E. Williams" <johnew...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:EKr45.14614$A%3.17...@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com...
> > Preston,
> > Shut up and ride!
> > We all have a passion for this sport. You may call it extreme but it is
> just
> > passion.
>
> Nothing extreme about passion. What's extreme is to think that if I'm not as
> passionate as you or not spending as much money on it as you then I'm not a
> "real" mountain biker.
>
> Preston
YOu must not be reading the same newsgroup I am reading. That really
does not come across as the tone of the alt.mountain-biie I read,
I see ride reports.
People asking for tech help.
Bike advice.
And much more, all of which is worth keeping.
If you don't see what you want, post the kinds of articles you *want* to
see. It is really that simple.
A
--
My hands are full of thorns but I can't quit groping for the rose.
Pythagoras
I've been reading the NG for a short while, and my very first discovery was the
Mike Vandeman filter.
The quality of posts increased dramatically.
As for the extreme hard-core prejudice. I don't see it.
There is an established hierarchy here, and those near the top often flex their
NG muscle; it's all in good (questionable) taste and often humorous.
I've suffered my share of flames recently (mainly on the poseur posts), but it's
a learning process. Just keep reading sans the ultra sensitivity you seem to
posses.
It's all relative.
It seems to me that you only select for reading the posts that will fortify your
argument. Be more objective in your selection. There's plenty of good stuff
here. There are numerous very intelligent and creative writers. Some of the
sarcasm is quite impressive.
There's also a substantial amount of good advice available.
I suggest you have a drink, shake it off, and start all over.
Rich Touart
Committee.
http://www.touart.com/rich/rr/ambar13.htm
Rich
"Chris Glidden" <chris....@soft-train.com> wrote in message
news:sl4kg5f...@corp.supernews.com...
> I don't think that you have spen enough time in this NG to really get a
feel
> for the population. Yes, we do have our whackos, but as far as your other
> observation you are way off-base. Most every regular/family mamber does
not
> care what type of bike you ride (w/the exception of department store
> specials, and only thhen because we urge people not to make the mistake of
> buying unsafe equipment), or even how well you ride. Just the fact that
you
> are involved in the sport is acceptance enough. We have riders from every
> skill level, age, and sex that are well respected and liked by all. We
have
> racers, addicts (riding 3 to 4 times a week such as myself), weekend
> warriors, and newbies. We have no prejudice. Yes, there is a fair amount
> of rousting and harrasment amongst the regulars, rarely does anyone get
> offended or hurt. It is like a family with bickering siblings. Take the
> time to lurk and get a feel for this happy home. If you still don't like
> it, that's OK. I seriously doubt anyone will cry because your gone.
>
> Preston Crawford wrote in message ...
Paladin
to see what mountainbiking means to me reduced to its essence? Read my long RR
called Sawtooth Mountain Music. That's a pretty fair summary of my philosophy and
outlook on this great sport.
Paladin
Pythagoras wrote:
> Preston,
> I've been reading the NG for a short while, and my very first discovery was the
> Mike Vandeman filter.
> The quality of posts increased dramatically.
> As for the extreme hard-core prejudice. I don't see it.
> There is an established hierarchy here, and those near the top often flex their
> NG muscle; it's all in good (questionable) taste and often humorous.
> I've suffered my share of flames recently (mainly on the poseur posts), but it's
> a learning process. Just keep reading sans the ultra sensitivity you seem to
> posses.
> It's all relative.
> It seems to me that you only select for reading the posts that will fortify your
> argument. Be more objective in your selection. There's plenty of good stuff
> here. There are numerous very intelligent and creative writers. Some of the
> sarcasm is quite impressive.
> There's also a substantial amount of good advice available.
> I suggest you have a drink, shake it off, and start all over.
>
> Preston Crawford wrote:
>
Paladin
Paladin
Rich Touart wrote:
Spence
Is that a bruise, or have you been lighting your fartgas?
Spence.
Spence
"> Nothing extreme about passion. What's extreme is to think that if I'm not
as
> passionate as you or not spending as much money on it as you then I'm not
a
> "real" mountain biker.
Who said that? I never saw that in any posts.
Spence.
Pete Fagerlin
wrote in message news:O7XKA1H3$GA.401@cpmsnbbsa08...
> > Ah, the ole "everyone who mountain bikes must think alike and
> > agree on evrything just because they ride on two wheels in
the
> > dirt" fallacy.
>
> No. I never said that they must think alike.
Not exactly, but you did write this, which is the same thing:
"I've
always thought of Mountain Biking as this fast umbrella under
which
hardcore, extreme, and hobbyist riders could all get along pretty
well, "
>I was just caught off guard by
> this attitude that non-hardcore riders aren't "really" mountain
biking.
Welcome to the real World. There are many opinions that are going
to upset you, but it's within your power to insulate yourself.
--
Pete Fagerlin
http://www.petefagerlin.com Use e-coupons to change your life!
Pete Fagerlin
wrote in message news:#5ZfHzH3$GA.349@cpmsnbbsa08...
> > Hey Einstein, you're lying. If you didn't care, you wouldn't
> > still be whining about your hurt feelings.
>
> Well, obviously I care to the extent that I want to explain
that it isn't
> representative of the work I do as a programmer, but other than
that I don't
> care and it isn't relevant to the subject at hand and the fact
that you've
> chosen to go this route is unfortunate.
>
> > But it has something to do with you, and you were the one who
> > made the silly comments about the newsgroup.
>
> Like I said. Personal attacks are the defense of a weak mind.
So since you
> have nothing of substance to say about my comments you attack
me.
I'm firing up the way back thread machine to help you out........
Here are my comments about your initial "comments"
""Preston Crawford"
<prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote:
<snip whining>
The problem with this newsgroup is hun(m)orless fucks like you
who
can't figure out how to:
a) Filter Vandeman
b) Ignore threads that offend your delicate sensibilities.
Besides those perrenial problems, everything is hunky-dory."
Get it?
--
Pete Fagerlin
http://www.petefagerlin.com Changed! Everything is under
construction!
Pete Fagerlin
wrote in message news:#Fbry4H3$GA.462@cpmsnbbsa08...
> > Hey Einstein, which part of Pete Fagerlin do you consider to
be
> > anonymous?
> >
> > You have your head up your ass again.
>
> No. You have your head up your ass. I wasn't saying YOU were
anonymous, only
> that I suppose I should have been like many other people on the
USENET are.
Someone comments that people use the relative anonymity of the
internet to attack others. You agree and give my posts as
examples. I'm not annonymous.
Get it?
> > I would suggest whi...@crybaby.com.
> >
> > It's not too late to change it.
>
> Another mature intelligent response.
Nah, I would describe it as truthful and highly accurate.
--
Pete Fagerlin
http://www.petefagerlin.com Chicken Sushi take out now
available!
Preston Crawford
> I'm firing up the way back thread machine to help you out........
>
> Here are my comments about your initial "comments"
Great, so at the very first you did post something in response to my
comments without reverting to personal attacks. So if you didn't have
anything MORE to say of substance you should have just left it at that. The
personal attacks are unnecessary and whether or not you once posted
something of substance make you look like you don't have an argument of
substance to make.
Preston
>
> ""Preston Crawford"
> <prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote:
> <snip whining>
>
> The problem with this newsgroup is hun(m)orless fucks like you
> who
> can't figure out how to:
>
> a) Filter Vandeman
>
> b) Ignore threads that offend your delicate sensibilities.
>
> Besides those perrenial problems, everything is hunky-dory."
>
> Get it?
>
> --
> Pete Fagerlin
Will Stax
immensely. Not a day goes by when it doesn't give me a good
laugh or two, some new info and tips, and a whole heckuva lot of
inspiration. I find I am riding harder, thinking about riding
more, venturing off into areas I don't normally go, trying new
things, etc. since lurking here, and now posting. I have been
turned on to books, websites, equipment, riding in other parts
of the world, and some great video. If you are into Mt. Biking
this is the ng for it. Yes, there are a few nuts, but hey, we
are all nuts in our own way.
I in no way endorse or support Keen.com by my use of RemarQ.
I like RemarQ--But not this spam:
Steve Peake
> Obviously I'm not looking for a censored newsgroup. I just had the
possibly
> mistaken impression that most Mountain Bikers appreciated nature. Thus the
> reason I was disturbed to see backlash to Mikey's postings that equaled
his
> extremism and took it a step further by flaunting disregard for the
> environment.
Its just baiting.
You have to remember that he is a pure loony, while everyone else is just
taking the piss.
Steve
Pete Fagerlin
wrote in message news:#eC#2qI3$GA.240@cpmsnbbsa09...
> "Pete Fagerlin" <pe...@petefagerlin.com> wrote in message
> news:8ittff$o...@chronicle.concentric.net...
> > I'm firing up the way back thread machine to help you
out........
> >
> > Here are my comments about your initial "comments"
>
> Great, so at the very first you did post something in response
to my
> comments without reverting to personal attacks. So if you
didn't have
> anything MORE to say of substance you should have just left it
at that.
I'm sorry, I must have missed the elections. When were you
appointed Vice-Admiral of Content?
>The
> personal attacks are unnecessary and whether or not you once
posted
> something of substance make you look like you don't have an
argument of
> substance to make.
Just be glad that I didn't post the info about you and your
neighbor and those "indiscretions" with those guys at the sailor
bar.
Chico
<prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote:
>However, I've noticed here and in other MTB communities and media since I've
>been back at it, that there is a bit of snobbery these days, which I think
Snobbery?
Ever joined a traditional Tennis Club?
I don't know what 'extremists' you're talking about. There's only one
person in this group who fits that description.
If you don't like the group, why are you comlaining at us? Is this
your way of trying to post the kinds of messages you want to see?
I hope not.
Get out for a ride. You'll feel better.
Chico
Mark Hickey
>Preston,
>I've been reading the NG for a short while, and my very first discovery was the
>Mike Vandeman filter.
>The quality of posts increased dramatically.
I just do an "ignore thread" on anything he posts. That way I don't
have to read the 10,000th identical but pithy reply either.
>As for the extreme hard-core prejudice. I don't see it.
I think it all comes down to the definition of "extreme". By
defintion, those who will take the time to read and contribute to amb
are those who are quite serious about mountain biking.
And when you're writing about your riding experiences, let's face it,
and "average ride" just isn't all that riveting "... and I went around
the loop three more times and didn't fall down once. I went home and
showered and had a beer". The "extreme" experiences are the ones that
tend to make it to "print".
>There is an established hierarchy here, and those near the top often flex their
>NG muscle; it's all in good (questionable) taste and often humorous.
>I've suffered my share of flames recently (mainly on the poseur posts), but it's
>a learning process. Just keep reading sans the ultra sensitivity you seem to
>posses.
This is the case with almost all newsgroups. If taken too far, it can
devolve into a "good ol' boys club" where about half the bandwidth is
taken up with inside jokes and inane postings that would be a waste as
bandwidth. But it's also what gives the ng its personality (however
warped and schitzophrenic it might be).
>It's all relative.
>It seems to me that you only select for reading the posts that will fortify your
>argument. Be more objective in your selection. There's plenty of good stuff
>here. There are numerous very intelligent and creative writers. Some of the
>sarcasm is quite impressive.
>There's also a substantial amount of good advice available.
>I suggest you have a drink, shake it off, and start all over.
Good advice for almost anything but dealing with a drinking problem.
;-)
Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.cynetfl.com/habanero/
Home of the $695 ti frame
Pete Fagerlin
Trekkie Dad <trekk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:trekkiedad-22...@208-25-48-222.stk.inreach.net...
> In article <O7zFnrA3$GA.280@cpmsnbbsa09>, "Preston Crawford"
> <prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote:
<snip>
> Perhaps Pete F. and I will have a
> duel to determine which of us is the bigger poseur. (I doubt I
have
> reached his level of skill, though!)
Are you inferring that you'll bring your dictionary?
--
Pete "poseur extraordinaire" Fagerlin
http://www.petefagerlin.com
Trekkie Dad
<prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote:
> Having just recently gotten into cycling, I have to say that my impression
> of this newsgroup isn't very high. On one side we have an environmental
> extremist waging war against mountain bikers, and on the other side we have
> extreme mountain bikers who think you aren't really living unless you're
> risking your life, spending thousands of dollars, and covering every inch of
> this planet with tire treads.
>
> Isn't there a middle ground. Aren't there people here that just like to
> bike, get exercise, see some beautiful country, etc? So much preaching. So
> much garbage.
>
> Preston
After reading this post and the 63 followups that are currently on my news
server, I thought I'd dig a little deeper and do a deja search on you,
Preston. The only other thread you started or participated in was
concerned with mountain biking magazines.
Could you tell me the purpose of the ng alt.sex.aluminum.baseball where
deja reports you have posted 64 times, or is that just some sort of deja
glitch? Did you expect the folks here at am-b to be LESS whacko somehow,
or did you park your sense of humor (and perspective) at the door when you
entered here?
am-b is the best ng on usenet. I look forward to reading it at least once
a day, and I will miss it on my upcoming road bike trip in southern
Oregon. There will probably be over a thousand messages to sift through
when I get back, and it will probably take me at least a week to get
caught up.
I have friends here. I have met some of them in person, and I look forward
to meeting (and riding with) others. Perhaps Pete F. and I will have a
duel to determine which of us is the bigger poseur. (I doubt I have
reached his level of skill, though!)
TD (only been cycling about 3 years, so I guess I'm still a newbie)
--
Trekkie Dad | ICQ #14818568 | trekk...@yahoo.com
World Without Cars Dictionary of Vandemisms (updated 12/27/1998) at
http://www.geocities.com/yosemite/rapids/2356/wwc.html
Preston Crawford
> > anything MORE to say of substance you should have just left it
> at that.
>
> I'm sorry, I must have missed the elections. When were you
> appointed Vice-Admiral of Content?
Okay, let me rephrase that. I wish you would have left it at that, but you
made the unfortunate choice to take the low road and get personal. You
obviously have free will to do so, but it's unfortunate because it doesn't
further the discussion and it makes you look like you don't have anything to
say. That's your choice, of course.
> Just be glad that I didn't post the info about you and your
> neighbor and those "indiscretions" with those guys at the sailor
> bar.
Another intelligent and on-topic comment.
Preston
Preston Crawford
news:trekkiedad-22...@208-25-48-222.stk.inreach.net...
> server, I thought I'd dig a little deeper and do a deja search on you,
> Preston. The only other thread you started or participated in was
> concerned with mountain biking magazines.
>
> Could you tell me the purpose of the ng alt.sex.aluminum.baseball where
> deja reports you have posted 64 times, or is that just some sort of deja
> glitch? Did you expect the folks here at am-b to be LESS whacko somehow,
> or did you park your sense of humor (and perspective) at the door when you
> entered here?
Either a Deja glitch or you made it up. I hope the former rather than the
latter, because it doesn't speak well of you otherwise.
> I have friends here. I have met some of them in person, and I look forward
> to meeting (and riding with) others. Perhaps Pete F. and I will have a
> duel to determine which of us is the bigger poseur. (I doubt I have
> reached his level of skill, though!)
>
> TD (only been cycling about 3 years, so I guess I'm still a newbie)
That's great. And I look forward to reading and learning and getting help as
I go along too. And I hope that I don't get flamed for not being serious
enough.
Preston
terry morse
> Trekkie Dad <trekk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > Perhaps Pete F. and I will have a duel to determine which of us is
> > the bigger poseur. (I doubt I have reached his level of skill, though!)
>
> Are you inferring that you'll bring your dictionary?
Are you implying that someone doesn't know the meaning of "infer"?
Dictionary? We don't need no stinking dictionary!
:-)
--
terry morse
Palo Alto, CA
DJ
<prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote:
>"Pete Fagerlin" <pe...@petefagerlin.com> wrote in message
>news:8itv4d$o...@chronicle.concentric.net...
>> > anything MORE to say of substance you should have just left
it
>> at that.
>>
>> I'm sorry, I must have missed the elections. When were you
>> appointed Vice-Admiral of Content?
>
>Okay, let me rephrase that. I wish you would have left it at
that,
I'm sure you do.
>but you
>made the unfortunate choice to take the low road and get
personal.
If you're so embarassed by your poor excuse for a website,
perhaps you should work onit rather than reply to all of these
messages which you claim not to care about. Just a suggestion.
>You
>obviously have free will to do so, but it's unfortunate because
it doesn't
>further the discussion and it makes you look like you don't
have anything to
>say.
Oh, I have plenty to say (or write in this case). Just look at
all of the stuff that you've replied to.
>That's your choice, of course.
Gee, thanks for the permission there Admiral me boy.
>> Just be glad that I didn't post the info about you and your
>> neighbor and those "indiscretions" with those guys at the
sailor
>> bar.
>
>Another intelligent and on-topic comment.
Thanks, although I don't think that playing hide the gerbil with
those drunken marines was very intelligent. You should make sure
nobody has a camera next time you decide to practice your
perversions in public.
Pete Fagerlin
http://www.petefagerlin.com
Preston Crawford
news:1f780ba8...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com...
> If you're so embarassed by your poor excuse for a website,
> perhaps you should work onit rather than reply to all of these
> messages which you claim not to care about. Just a suggestion.
I'm too busy. These replies take seconds. And as stated before I'm not
embarrased by my website, but I will obviously feel compelled to make that
point on the off hand that someone feels that reflects on my work. I'm a SQL
database programmer so the state of my website is of no concern to me, save
for that. Even if I had the time to work on it it would still LOOK like crap
because I'm not a designer. I'm a programmer.
> Oh, I have plenty to say (or write in this case). Just look at
> all of the stuff that you've replied to.
Being able to talk (or type in this case) and having something to say are
entirely different matters.
> Thanks, although I don't think that playing hide the gerbil with
> those drunken marines was very intelligent. You should make sure
> nobody has a camera next time you decide to practice your
> perversions in public.
You're an embarrasing boor of a human and I'm ashamed of myself for being
bated and even replying to your drivel. This ends here. Good day and try to
act like a grown up next time if it's even in your capacity.
Preston
DJ
<prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote:
>"DJ" <peteNO...@petefagerlin.com.invalid> wrote in message
>news:1f780ba8...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com...
>> If you're so embarassed by your poor excuse for a website,
>> perhaps you should work onit rather than reply to all of these
>> messages which you claim not to care about. Just a suggestion.
>
>I'm too busy. These replies take seconds. And as stated before
I'm not
>embarrased by my website, but I will obviously feel compelled
to make that
>point on the off hand that someone feels that reflects on my
work. I'm a SQL
>database programmer so the state of my website is of no concern
to me, save
>for that. Even if I had the time to work on it it would still
LOOK like crap
>because I'm not a designer. I'm a programmer.
That explains your ineptness on the humor front but doesn't
explain not being able to use the simple filters that most
newsreaders provide.
>
>> Oh, I have plenty to say (or write in this case). Just look at
>> all of the stuff that you've replied to.
>
>Being able to talk (or type in this case) and having something
to say are
>entirely different matters.
Well I guess it must have passed your quality test. Why else
would you have spent so much time flopping about with a big ole
hook in your mouth?
>> Thanks, although I don't think that playing hide the gerbil
with
>> those drunken marines was very intelligent. You should make
sure
>> nobody has a camera next time you decide to practice your
>> perversions in public.
>You're an embarrasing boor of a human and I'm ashamed of myself
for being
>bated and even replying to your drivel.
I ashamed of you as well. So are the gerbils (those that
survived).
>This ends here. Good day and try to
>act like a grown up next time if it's even in your capacity.
I'll make you a deal. I won't make fun of you, your gerbils, or
your website if you don't make snap judgements about this
newsgroup, learn to use your filters, and spend some time
watching the Comedy Channel.
How's that?
Pete Fagerlin
http://www.petefagerlin.com PETG
DJ
Clever word play.
Pete
G.T.
>
> it caught me off guard to read flame threads where people are being
> chastised for not being hardcore enough.
Who has flamed who for not being "hardcore enough"? Any thing that
could be construed as that type of flame was either good natured joking
between people who have been here awhile, or was a flame of somebody
supporting Huffys and Costco Mongeese, or who was trying to pass off
myth and lore in place of sound advice.
Greg
--
"Why does a man with nothing to say, he always seems to talk?" - Marc
Riley
G.T.
>
> "Pete Fagerlin" <pe...@petefagerlin.com> wrote in message
> news:8ittff$o...@chronicle.concentric.net...
> > I'm firing up the way back thread machine to help you out........
> >
> > Here are my comments about your initial "comments"
>
> Great, so at the very first you did post something in response to my
> comments without reverting to personal attacks. So if you didn't have
> personal attacks are unnecessary and whether or not you once posted
> something of substance make you look like you don't have an argument of
> substance to make.
>
You just can't stop, can you?
Trekkie Dad
<pe...@petefagerlin.com> wrote:
> Trekkie Dad <trekk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:trekkiedad-22...@208-25-48-222.stk.inreach.net...
> > In article <O7zFnrA3$GA.280@cpmsnbbsa09>, "Preston Crawford"
> > <prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > Perhaps Pete F. and I will have a
> > duel to determine which of us is the bigger poseur. (I doubt I
> have
> > reached his level of skill, though!)
>
> Are you inferring that you'll bring your dictionary?
>
Implying, Pete, IMPLYING! In this case, YOU are doing the inferring. Sheesh!
> --
> Pete "poseur extraordinaire" Fagerlin
> http://www.petefagerlin.com
We'll see about that!
TD (Which dictionary do you prefer?)
Trekkie Dad
<prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote:
> "Trekkie Dad" <trekk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:trekkiedad-22...@208-25-48-222.stk.inreach.net...
> > After reading this post and the 63 followups that are currently on my news
> > server, I thought I'd dig a little deeper and do a deja search on you,
> > Preston. The only other thread you started or participated in was
> > concerned with mountain biking magazines.
> >
> > Could you tell me the purpose of the ng alt.sex.aluminum.baseball where
> > deja reports you have posted 64 times, or is that just some sort of deja
> > glitch? Did you expect the folks here at am-b to be LESS whacko somehow,
> > or did you park your sense of humor (and perspective) at the door when you
> > entered here?
>
> Either a Deja glitch or you made it up. I hope the former rather than the
> latter, because it doesn't speak well of you otherwise.
>
I'm not that clever. I can do a pretty good non sequetur, but
alt.sex.aluminum.baseball is definitely out of my league. <ducking>
> > I have friends here. I have met some of them in person, and I look forward
> > to meeting (and riding with) others. Perhaps Pete F. and I will have a
> > duel to determine which of us is the bigger poseur. (I doubt I have
> > reached his level of skill, though!)
> >
> > TD (only been cycling about 3 years, so I guess I'm still a newbie)
>
> That's great. And I look forward to reading and learning and getting help as
> I go along too. And I hope that I don't get flamed for not being serious
> enough.
>
You're more likely to get flamed for being too serious, if you haven't
noticed by now.
TD ("Serious" riders need not apply)
Preston Crawford
"G.T." <eth...@pacificnet.net> wrote in message
news:3952E9E8...@pacificnet.net...
G.T.
>
> Actually, I have.
>
You're funny.
DJ
<snip>
>> Are you inferring that you'll bring your dictionary?
>>
>
>Implying, Pete, IMPLYING! In this case, YOU are doing the >
>inferring. Sheesh!
Sheesh indeed. I guess my response to your previous breakdown
was lost in USENET somewhere. Here it is again:
Main Entry: in·fer
Pronunciation: in-'f&r
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): in·ferred; in·fer·ring
Etymology: Middle French or Latin; Middle French inferer, from
Latin inferre, literally, to carry or bring into, from in- +
ferre to carry -- more at BEAR
Date: 1528
transitive senses
1 : to derive as a conclusion from facts or premises <we see
smoke and infer fire -- L. A. White> -- compare IMPLY
<snip>
4 : SUGGEST, HINT <are you inferring I'm incompetent?>
intransitive senses : to draw inferences <men... have observed,
inferred, and reasoned... to all kinds of results -- John Dewey>
- in·fer·able also in·fer·ri·ble /in-'f&r-&-b&l/ adjective
Your profession is education, right?
Pete Fagerlin
http://www.petefagerlin.com
DJ
>>on the other side we have extreme mountain bikers
>>who think you aren't really living unless you're
>>risking your life, spending thousands of dollars,
>
>There is a definite Bike Snob atmosphere here. Any part less
that
>Shimano XTR is shit, and any MTB less than $2,000 is shit.
>
Got a touch of bike envy,eh?
>Maybe that IS the case, but you can still get a lot of fun out
of
>riding a HUFFY, or a Schwinn Frontier or a TREK 800 Sport!
>Yes you can. You can enjoy MTBing, help further the cause and
>not spend you life savings on the bike.
>
>That point seems to get lost on the more advanced riders of this
>group.
Hey dipshit, did you ever consider that some of the "more
advanced" riders around here started on piece of shit bikes, and
thus know of what they write? Some of those folks had plenty of
fun on their first, second and third bikes.
What prompted you to make this crap up?
Pete "who sounded the idiot call and why are they all coming out
at once?" Fagerlin
CoyoteBoy
> of this newsgroup isn't very high. On one side we have an environmental
> extremist waging war against mountain bikers
And you blame us for him?
, and on the other side we have
> extreme mountain bikers who think you aren't really living unless you're
> risking your life, spending thousands of dollars, and covering every inch
of
> this planet with tire treads.
Who? I can't think of any! Simple advice like not buying cheap full sus's -
(which is very good advice as they are a waste of cash better spent on a
higher end hardtail) yes. People only spending £000's - no. People thinking
your not living without risking your life -
a) People are allowed their opinions
b) Who?
Covering every inch in tire treads - so we're enthusiastic, is that a bad
thing now?
>
> Isn't there a middle ground.
The middle ground comes out from the extremes, you cannot have a good
balance without extremes, and most here are in this middle ground you talk
about.
Aren't there people here that just like to
> bike, get exercise, see some beautiful country, etc?
Yes, read the postings more thoroughly.
> So much preaching. So
> much garbage.
>
That's rich coming from you, a newbie to the group coming in spouting your
thoughts out which either
a) have not been well thought out at all
b) were designed to cause offense.
The only garbage around here is the likes of you, who just add derogatory
remarks about the group and start slanging matches. If you dislike it so
much why the hell are you posting here?
What a loser
JB
> Preston
>
>
Pete Jones
> to work on my site
> It's just very impressive. I'm sure it really impresses your
> clients.
Scratch his eyes out Pete. You're slipping, man.
-----------------------------------
www.trackster-man.co.uk
Jeff and Sam
Preston Crawford wrote:
> No, that's not extreme. I think what's extreme is when people are
> judgemental of other people's level of enjoyment of the sport. You're
> correct that if someone takes something unsafe on a potentially dangerous
> ride then you almost have a duty to let them know.
I'm sorry. I've been here a relatively long time (as a lurker) and over
a year as a regular poster (though not as consistent as others). The
thing is, I've rarely seen the kinds of posts that you are talking
about. In general, the type of posts that you mention are created by
those that really don't live here that much and are just posting their
opinion to a thread with regards to a piece of equipment. The locals
rarely do that in a negative way, and if they do, it's usually in
reference to an earlier thread, which only long time subscribers would
have read. In this respect, a.m-b is like having real world friends from
everywhere--you get to know them, there likes and dislikes and why they
have certain opinions.
> However, I've noticed here and in other MTB communities and media since I've
> been back at it, that there is a bit of snobbery these days, which I think
> is unfortunate. I've seen an attitude that if you're not extreme as me or
> not as "into it" as me then you're not really into biking at all. I've
> always thought of Mountain Biking as this fast umbrella under which
> hardcore, extreme, and hobbyist riders could all get along pretty well, so
> it caught me off guard to read flame threads where people are being
> chastised for not being hardcore enough.
Bah. I'm no extreme rider, but I bet I ride some stuff that would make
alot of the people on this ng cringe. I ride with elite riders locally
that kick my ass, people that I can safely call my equal in skill, and I
regularly take beginners out and help them shop for a bike and teach
them how to ride. The snobbery of which you speak does not seem to be
that prevalent, and I have been mountain biking for a good 13 years.
I've even had rides with folks that I met on this very group, and have
formed a race team for an upcoming endurance race with one of our
regular posters. This is what mountain biking is about. This is what
alt.mountain-bike is about. Stick around. Post a ride report or two and
let us know what you like by actually making a contribution. If you
don't, you have every right to be here anyway, but don't expect us to
just sit back and let you call our community a waste of time, because it
certainly isn't that.
Cheers,
jeff
Kane
of help when you need it so money isn't wasted, and if someones just gone
for great ride and are still on a high from it to express it
tell me if im wrong though
Kane
--
___________________________________
The little boat gently drifted across the pond
exactly the way a bowling ball wouldn't.
(Russell Beland, Springfield)
Preston Crawford <prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote in
message news:#Urp2cH3$GA.399@cpmsnbbsa08...
> "John E. Williams" <johnew...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:EKr45.14614$A%3.17...@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com...
> > Preston,
> > Shut up and ride!
> > We all have a passion for this sport. You may call it extreme but it is
> just
> > passion.
>
> Nothing extreme about passion. What's extreme is to think that if I'm not
as
> passionate as you or not spending as much money on it as you then I'm not
a
> "real" mountain biker.
>
> Preston
>
>
gazzer
Its good and sarcastic, which appeals to me as a Brit.
Unless you're a cash whore you can veer way off topic without getting lots
of whining.
Loads of posts, some ngs get 10 a day and five of those are "britney spears
fisting video" etc
We've got the biggest, shittiest troll on the net, kind of like an exotic
pet.
Flame wars burn out in a few days, not so many of the 3 year epics i've seen
elsewhere
Plenty of humour.
The occasional mountain biking post.
Its pretty helpfull unless its a dumb question like "does it matter if my
helmet is back to front"
About that britney video............
gazzer
Preston Crawford wrote in message ...
>"DJ" <peteNO...@petefagerlin.com.invalid> wrote in message
>news:1f780ba8...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com...
>> If you're so embarassed by your poor excuse for a website,
>> perhaps you should work onit rather than reply to all of these
>> messages which you claim not to care about. Just a suggestion.
>
>I'm too busy. These replies take seconds. And as stated before I'm not
>embarrased by my website, but I will obviously feel compelled to make that
>point on the off hand that someone feels that reflects on my work. I'm a
SQL
>database programmer so the state of my website is of no concern to me, save
>for that. Even if I had the time to work on it it would still LOOK like
crap
>because I'm not a designer. I'm a programmer.
>
>> Oh, I have plenty to say (or write in this case). Just look at
>> all of the stuff that you've replied to.
>
>Being able to talk (or type in this case) and having something to say are
>entirely different matters.
>
>> Thanks, although I don't think that playing hide the gerbil with
>> those drunken marines was very intelligent. You should make sure
>> nobody has a camera next time you decide to practice your
>> perversions in public.
>
>You're an embarrasing boor of a human and I'm ashamed of myself for being
>bated and even replying to your drivel. This ends here. Good day and try to
>act like a grown up next time if it's even in your capacity.
>
>Preston
>
>
grynman
from the expertise on this news group. I almost bought a SC30 cause
it seemed like a good idea after a little listening I bought a Giant
Rinocon SE I love it.
grynman
On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:29:34 -0000, "gazzer" <hongko...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
John E. Williams
I agree with Paladin, another great one.
John
"Rich Touart" <rto...@touart.com> wrote in message
news:8itrd0$ak0$1...@news.datasync.com...
> I think we need to bring this whole matter up before the AM-B Rules
> Committee.
> http://www.touart.com/rich/rr/ambar13.htm
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> "Chris Glidden" <chris....@soft-train.com> wrote in message
> news:sl4kg5f...@corp.supernews.com...
> > I don't think that you have spen enough time in this NG to really get a
> feel
> > for the population. Yes, we do have our whackos, but as far as your
other
> > observation you are way off-base. Most every regular/family mamber does
> not
> > care what type of bike you ride (w/the exception of department store
> > specials, and only thhen because we urge people not to make the mistake
of
> > buying unsafe equipment), or even how well you ride. Just the fact that
> you
> > are involved in the sport is acceptance enough. We have riders from
every
> > skill level, age, and sex that are well respected and liked by all. We
> have
> > racers, addicts (riding 3 to 4 times a week such as myself), weekend
> > warriors, and newbies. We have no prejudice. Yes, there is a fair
amount
> > of rousting and harrasment amongst the regulars, rarely does anyone get
> > offended or hurt. It is like a family with bickering siblings. Take
the
> > time to lurk and get a feel for this happy home. If you still don't
like
> > it, that's OK. I seriously doubt anyone will cry because your gone.
> >
> > Preston Crawford wrote in message ...
> impression
> > >of this newsgroup isn't very high. On one side we have an environmental
> have
> > >extreme mountain bikers who think you aren't really living unless
you're
> > >risking your life, spending thousands of dollars, and covering every
inch
> > of
> > >this planet with tire treads.
> > >
> > >bike, get exercise, see some beautiful country, etc? So much preaching.
> So
> > >much garbage.
> > >
> > >Preston
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Mark Pagel
>who think you aren't really living unless you're
>risking your life, spending thousands of dollars,
That is the one thing I don't like about most of the posts.
There is a definite Bike Snob atmosphere here. Any part less that
Shimano XTR is shit, and any MTB less than $2,000 is shit.
Maybe that IS the case, but you can still get a lot of fun out of
riding a HUFFY, or a Schwinn Frontier or a TREK 800 Sport!
Yes you can. You can enjoy MTBing, help further the cause and
not spend you life savings on the bike.
That point seems to get lost on the more advanced riders of this
group.
mp
Dances With Elephants
out the creaking Mr Vandeman, and just ignore the 'I cleared a 100-foot rock
but broke my little bell doing so' posts.
Post a sensible question and the chances are you will eventually get a sensible
answer. Post a non-sensible question however (such as 'which 4" travel
commuting forks for more than $1000?") and you will get a quicker reply.
The first thing about mountain biking though, that's sensible mountain biking,
and you are a 'end user' as opposed to being inteh business, is to find a good
local bike shop (LBS). from here you will not only be able to stroke the new
parts but get info on local rides and hook up with riding buddies.
In article <O7zFnrA3$GA.280@cpmsnbbsa09>,
prestoncREM...@crawfordsolutions.com says...
>
>Having just recently gotten into cycling, I have to say that my impression
>of this newsgroup isn't very high. On one side we have an environmental
>extremist waging war against mountain bikers, and on the other side we have
>extreme mountain bikers who think you aren't really living unless you're
Mark Hickey
>>on the other side we have extreme mountain bikers
>>who think you aren't really living unless you're
>>risking your life, spending thousands of dollars,
>
>That is the one thing I don't like about most of the posts.
>There is a definite Bike Snob atmosphere here. Any part less that
>Shimano XTR is shit, and any MTB less than $2,000 is shit.
>
>Maybe that IS the case, but you can still get a lot of fun out of
>riding a HUFFY, or a Schwinn Frontier or a TREK 800 Sport!
>Yes you can. You can enjoy MTBing, help further the cause and
>not spend you life savings on the bike.
>
>That point seems to get lost on the more advanced riders of this
>group.
I don't think so... look at the move toward single speed, rigid bikes!
Heck, most of us have been riding long enough that the bikes we
started out on would be hard to give away. I personally rigged an old
steel road bike with knobbies to get in the woods. Then bought a
"high end" Diamondback Apex. Horizontal top tube, Loooong chainstays.
Rigid fork. 6-speed friction thumbshifters. Weighed about 30 pounds.
Oh, and riser bars (heh heh heh). Heh heh heh. ... sigh. Sorry,
where was I?
Oh, yeah... we all had a LOT of fun riding them. That does NOT mean
that they aren't as much fun to ride today - but that many of us have
discovered bikes that let us perform to a new level. Is that more
fun? In a way, maybe - but it isn't the important thing.
The important thing is riding a bike.
Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.cynetfl.com/habanero/
Home of the $695 ti frame
samurai
"Dances With Elephants" <danceswit...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:961748686.23987.0...@news.demon.co.uk...
> Post a sensible question and the chances are you will eventually get a
sensible
> answer. Post a non-sensible question however (such as 'which 4" travel
> commuting forks for more than $1000?") and you will get a quicker reply.
>
I hear yah!
Overkill RULEZ
(Hey DWE, I installed some 26 inch wide risers on my commuter last week,
{didn't bother cutting them down} YEEHA!)
samuri.
Trekkie Dad
<peteNO...@petefagerlin.com.invalid> wrote:
> trekk...@yahoo.com (Trekkie Dad) wrote:
> <snip>
>
> >> Are you inferring that you'll bring your dictionary?
> >>
> >
> >Implying, Pete, IMPLYING! In this case, YOU are doing the >
> >inferring. Sheesh!
>
> Sheesh indeed. I guess my response to your previous breakdown
> was lost in USENET somewhere. Here it is again:
>
> Main Entry: in搭er
> Pronunciation: in-'f&r
> Function: verb
> Inflected Form(s): in搭erred; in搭er斟ing
> Etymology: Middle French or Latin; Middle French inferer, from
> Latin inferre, literally, to carry or bring into, from in- +
> ferre to carry -- more at BEAR
> Date: 1528
> transitive senses
> 1 : to derive as a conclusion from facts or premises <we see
> smoke and infer fire -- L. A. White> -- compare IMPLY
>
>
> <snip>
>
> 4 : SUGGEST, HINT <are you inferring I'm incompetent?>
> intransitive senses : to draw inferences <men... have observed,
> inferred, and reasoned... to all kinds of results -- John Dewey>
> - in搭er戢ble also in搭er斟i搓le /in-'f&r-&-b&l/ adjective
>
> Your profession is education, right?
>
> Pete Fagerlin
> http://www.petefagerlin.com
>
>
Right. Glad you found a dictionary. Nice first step. Now show that you
UNDERSTAND what you found by using the words "infer" and "imply"
correctly. So back to your original question:
> >> Are you inferring that you'll bring your dictionary?
Let's substitute "concluding" for "inferring." It's a pretty close synonym
according to the definition you found:
> >> Are you CONCLUDING that you'll bring your dictionary?
If that's what you really meant, then your usage is correct, but the
question makes little sense to me.
OTOH, if you really meant to ask if I was HINTING or SUGGESTING that I
bring a dictionary, then you should have said:
"Are you IMPLYING that you'll bring your dictionary?"
To which I would have answered, "No, too much weight."
In either case, I neither concluded that a dictionary was necessary nor
hinted that I might be bringing one.
If you want further instruction in correct usage, it will have to wait. In
a few hours, I will be away from my computer (and the internet) until
July. I expect you are greatly relieved to hear this.
TD (School's out; the teacher is going on vacation.)
John E. Williams
Have a great vacation.
My youngest son graduated from high school last night and we are going out
for a ride this morning to celebrate before summer job eats up his time.
John
"Trekkie Dad" <trekk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:trekkiedad-23...@208-25-54-123.stk.inreach.net...
Corvus Corvax
>
>That is the one thing I don't like about most of the posts.
>There is a definite Bike Snob atmosphere here. Any part less
>that Shimano XTR is shit, and any MTB less than $2,000 is shit.
Now, I think you're exaggerating just a little bit. Most people
will only give you a light flaming for advocating XT ;-).
I don't actually see a lot of snobbery around here, modulo the
periodic orgy of Cannondale bashing that goes on. Take a look at
the "Best Bike?" thread. Lots of people happily discussing their
Giant Rincons and Sedonas, and only one (rather useless) flame in
the whole thread. It actually used to be worse. People asking
about a good sub-$500 bike would get two or three people trying
to tell them that you couldn't get anything usable off-road for
less than a thousand. Which is nonsense. Chico's "$500 bike" post
pretty much completely put a stop to that.
Here is how not to get flamed: "I'm a beginner. I want a good
starter bike, but I only have about $400 to spend. How should I
go about finding a good bike?" This will get lots of helpful
replies, or at least Chico's $500 bike post. You get extra points
if you buy a nice low-end bike and then post a ride report on
your first off-road experience. You will make friends.
Here is how to get flamed: "I just bought a Mongoose BFD9000 at
Walmart. Is this a good bike?" People who post this question are
asking for confirmation, not information. Even so, you will
generally get an honest answer: "No. This is the worst bike in
the known universe." If you drop it there, all is well. If you
get bent out of shape because you don't want to look like a
sucker, you end up getting flamed good and hard. If you prove to
be incapable of dropping a thread, Fagerlin will toy with you for
as long as you're willing to participate.
It's a simple formula.
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