Re: Lane splitting
R. LaCasse
|>Animeniac wrote:
|>> My city has a bridge out . Putting in a new one. Traffic is nuts on
|>> the available 4 lane streets.
|>>
|>> I found myself sitting about 15 cars back behind two lanes, waiting for
|>> the light to change. It was a long light. I could have easily driven
|>> between both lines of cars to the front of both lanes and took off at
|>> the light.
|>>
|>> Does anyone do this? I have no idea if it would be illegal. ...
|>
|>
|>It is illegal where I live but I still do it occasionally. Having had a
|>couple of them, I think your CH250 is rather good at it too!
Lane splitting at a lengthy stop light, or crawl traffic isn't
enforced in BC....
There's a Biker Cop who is nuts about enforcing this law, but of
course his Full Dressed M/C Harley is almost as wide as a car, so it's more
like a skinny car.
Maxi scooters aren't that narrow either, not like rice rockets who
lane split all over the Hiway....
Some places almost make lane splitting mandatory in such occasions,
like California...
I personally don't care about what the other drivers do, as long as
they don't try to run me over...hi beams, whatever, they don't hurt......
R. LaCasse
<wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
|>
|> OTOH; there is also a law regarding "multiple lane changes" in some
|>specified distance (100 feet I think) -- so weaving through traffic is
|>illegal.
That's a very unforced law, they do it all the time, like there was
an emergency somewhere, some don't even signal.....I hate that, when they
cut me off.
I'll usually hit the hi beams and tailgate them awhile, maybe
adding a siren is good scare for them, but I'm still working on my Gorilla
theft alarm system, so the siren will wait....
Using a theft alarm system that sounds like a Cop Siren might be
good, just punch the panic button on the anti-theft alarm...
rwayatime
"R. LaCasse" <sco...@yamaha.info> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:46:30 -0700, Dennis Lee Bieber
> <wlf...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> |>
> |> OTOH; there is also a law regarding "multiple lane changes" in some
> |>specified distance (100 feet I think) -- so weaving through traffic is
> |>illegal.
>
> That's a very unforced law, they do it all the time, like there was
> an emergency somewhere, some don't even signal.....I hate that, when they
> cut me off.
If you get 'cut off' it is your fault
don't follow so close.
R. LaCasse
So you think it's awrright when they cut into you even without
signaling...heh
I leave a car length in the city, and more as the speeds get higher,
if I was close, I wouldn't get cut off....it all pretty much depends also
depends on how close the you are being tailgated....
Who Me?
"R. LaCasse" <sco...@yamaha.info> wrote
> So you think it's awrright when they cut into you even without
> signaling...heh
>
Ok, let's approach this from a different angle.
What the hell does it mean anyway: "Cut me off". Cut you off from what?
You can't go any faster, there is a car in front blocking your way, probably
cars on both sides too. So fricking what, a car moved into your lane? How
exactly is that a bad thing? You have no right over the space in front of
you.
Like another poster said, the ONLY way it is a problem is if you are SO
CLOSE to the car in front that you have to apply the brakes to avoid hitting
someone. If there was ample following space, cars that NEED to change lanes
could do so without causing a stir.
"Cut me off" is the badge of a tailgating whiner. PEOPLE NEED TO CHANGE
LANES. Learn to live with it. A few minutes from now it will be YOU that
needs to change lanes. Be damn sure you don't "cut somebody off".
Timberwoof
<FNydnWRmEo32UunV...@posted.uniservecommunications>,
"rwayatime" <to...@gmail.com> wrote:
My roommate got cut off by a dork who was in the #2 lane but wanted to
take that exit right now. He ended up putting a big dent in the car,
losing his spleen, and getting blamed for the accident. When some
shit-for-brains suddenly cuts you off, it's tough to evade.
That's why I ride with my fuckin brights on when in busy stretches of
road. I don't care if it pisses people off: if they notice me and do not
cut me off, that's better for everyone involved. (Just today I saw
someone notice me. At the merge of I-380 onto I-280 northbound, a car
was edging over and edging over and edging over and my thumb was itching
to push that horn button as I was confirming my escape to the left and
woah! he twitched back. Hey, it's not like I was hiding or anything.
--
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"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." 気hris L.
Timberwoof
"Who Me?" <hitch...@dont.panic> wrote:
> "R. LaCasse" <sco...@yamaha.info> wrote
>
> > So you think it's awrright when they cut into you even without
> > signaling...heh
> >
>
> Ok, let's approach this from a different angle.
>
> What the hell does it mean anyway: "Cut me off". Cut you off from what?
> You can't go any faster, there is a car in front blocking your way, probably
> cars on both sides too. So fricking what, a car moved into your lane? How
> exactly is that a bad thing? You have no right over the space in front of
> you.
If the other vehicle moving over puts you into dangerously close, then
you do have a right to that space.
> Like another poster said, the ONLY way it is a problem is if you are SO
> CLOSE to the car in front that you have to apply the brakes to avoid hitting
> someone. If there was ample following space, cars that NEED to change lanes
> could do so without causing a stir.
There's a difference between ample space and so close you must hit your
brakes.
> "Cut me off" is the badge of a tailgating whiner. PEOPLE NEED TO CHANGE
> LANES. Learn to live with it. A few minutes from now it will be YOU that
> needs to change lanes. Be damn sure you don't "cut somebody off".
Not necessarily. I keep at least two seconds of space in front of me.
Cutting me off is that Porsche the other month who blasted by me on the
left, cut me off (less than a car length) and took the exit to my right.
He didn't NEED to take the exit right in front of me. Had he planned his
route, he could have gotten in behind me at a reasonable distance and
then taken the exit. He'd be three seconds later in his journey, but I'm
sure he'd survive the delay.
Michael Bednarek
alt.scooter and alt.motorcycles:
>"R. LaCasse" <scooter@...> wrote
>
>> So you think it's awrright when they cut into you even without
>> signaling...heh
>>
>
>Ok, let's approach this from a different angle.
>
>What the hell does it mean anyway: "Cut me off". Cut you off from what?
>You can't go any faster, there is a car in front blocking your way, probably
>cars on both sides too. So fricking what, a car moved into your lane? How
>exactly is that a bad thing? You have no right over the space in front of
>you.
[snip]
I believe I do have a right over the safety distance I leave in front of
me; any vehicle entering that space is illegally cutting me off. I think
this is universally a majority view.
--
Michael Bednarek http://mbednarek.com/ "POST NO BILLS"
Brisbane, Australia Jog->ET4->SYM180 (+wife:SYM-VT125)
Mike Schenk
>I believe I do have a right over the safety distance I leave in front of
>me; any vehicle entering that space is illegally cutting me off. I think
>this is universally a majority view.
Then you should leave more than that safety distance to the vehicle in
front of you, so another car can change lanes and merge in between you
and the vehicle in front of you, without disturbing your safety
distance.
Mike
Who Me?
"Michael Bednarek" <ROT1...@gtz.pbz.nh> wrote
> I believe I do have a right over the safety distance I leave in front of
> me; any vehicle entering that space is illegally cutting me off. I think
> this is universally a majority view.
>
And I think you are delusional.
If you leave a 4 car length space and ONE car enters the middle of that
space, properly matching speed, there is no jurisdiction in the world where
that is illegal.
Now, if they do it in a manner that forces you to take evasive action to
avoid a collision, that's a whole different matter.........and I suppose
that's the real definition of "cut me off", if there is one.
Your statement illustrates the problem perfectly. People assume they can
make their own rules and anybody who violates their personally defined
"space" is in the wrong. Sorry but it doesn't work that way.
Apparently your mother didn't do a very good job teaching you to share.
Apparently a LOT of mothers failed in that respect.
R. LaCasse
|>Ok, let's approach this from a different angle.
|>
|>What the hell does it mean anyway: "Cut me off". Cut you off from what?
|>You can't go any faster, there is a car in front blocking your way, probably
|>cars on both sides too. So fricking what, a car moved into your lane? How
|>exactly is that a bad thing? You have no right over the space in front of
|>you.
I don't have the right to the legal space in front of me, but a speed freak
does..............no thanx......
When they clip your fender and force you to the far right of the
lane, it becomes a concern.........and they don't bother signaling a right
either...
You think that's right, well I don't.......
Pax Domini
Michael Bednarek
alt.motorcycles:
>Michael Bednarek wrote
>
>> I believe I do have a right over the safety distance I leave in front of
>> me; any vehicle entering that space is illegally cutting me off. I think
>> this is universally a majority view.
>>
>
>And I think you are delusional.
And a good day to you, too.
>If you leave a 4 car length space and ONE car enters the middle of that
>space, properly matching speed, there is no jurisdiction in the world where
>that is illegal.
Read what I wrote. Where did I mention "4 car length space"? Is "safety
distance" a foreign concept to you?
>Now, if they do it in a manner that forces you to take evasive action to
>avoid a collision, that's a whole different matter.........and I suppose
>that's the real definition of "cut me off", if there is one.
Why then do you build up this straw argument if you understand the
concept? Others have provided the circumstances which describe the
situation (cutting off); your contribution is a nebulous "....".
>Your statement illustrates the problem perfectly. People assume they can
>make their own rules and anybody who violates their personally defined
>"space" is in the wrong. Sorry but it doesn't work that way.
Your response perfectly illustrates your inability to grasp a written
text. I'm sorry your mind works that way (or rather: it doesn't).
>Apparently your mother didn't do a very good job teaching you to share.
>Apparently a LOT of mothers failed in that respect.
Attacks ad hominem are not sufficient to express your boorish attitude?
You have to resort to attacking my family? I'm sure many readers will
find that says a lot about you and very little about me.
--
Michael Bednarek http://mbednarek.com/ "POST NO BILLS"
Brisbane, Australia Jog->ET4->SYM180 (+wife:SYM-VS125)
Who Me?
"Michael Bednarek" <mbATmbed...@BLACKHOLESPAM.NET> wrote
> I'm sure many readers will
> find that says a lot about you and very little about me.
>
Most readers don't give a crap about either of us or what we think.
End of "discussion".
rwayatime
> |>If you get 'cut off' it is your fault
> |>don't follow so close.
> |>
>
> So you think it's awrright when they cut into you even without
> signaling...heh
>
Signals mean nothing more that the fact that the signals work
You have to see what the car is really doing
> I leave a car length in the city, and more as the speeds get higher,
You are too close.
The safe rule is 2 seconds at any speed in dry weather
> if I was close, I wouldn't get cut off....it all pretty much depends also
> depends on how close the you are being tailgated....
There are 5 ways to get rid of somebody too close behind you.
You need a good safety school.
rwayatime
"Michael Bednarek" <ROT1...@gtz.pbz.nh> wrote in message >
> I believe I do have a right over the safety distance I leave in front of
> me;
You have the right to be dead right.
Follow at least 2 seconds and nobody will so-called-cut-you-off
any vehicle entering that space is illegally cutting me off. I think
> this is universally a majority view.
>
See you in the morgue.
;)
rwayatime
"Mike Schenk" <use...@dikkebrommer.nl> wrote in message
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Hey well spoken.
somebody with insight.
rwayatime
"Who Me?" <hitch...@dont.panic> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael Bednarek" <ROT1...@gtz.pbz.nh> wrote
>
>> I believe I do have a right over the safety distance I leave in front of
>> me; any vehicle entering that space is illegally cutting me off. I think
>> this is universally a majority view.
>>
>
> And I think you are delusional.
>
> If you leave a 4 car length space
Car length is an out-of-date concept that is obsolete 40 years ago.
2 seconds for dry weather motorcycles and small cars , 3 seconds for vans
etc, 4 seconds for busses ,
5 seconds for tractor-trailer combos.
rwayatime
"Michael Bednarek" <mbATmbed...@BLACKHOLESPAM.NET> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:49:08 -0500, Who Me? wrote in alt.scooter and
> alt.motorcycles:
>
>>Michael Bednarek wrote
>>
>
> distance" a foreign concept to you?
>
Safe following distances are measured in increments of time.
4 car lengths at 20 miles per hour and 120 miles per hour are way different.
Who Me?
"rwayatime" <to...@gmail.com> wrote
>> If you leave a 4 car length space
>
> Car length is an out-of-date concept that is obsolete 40 years ago.
You were doing REALLY good until you slipped over into picking
nits............with a SIMPLE example, intended for weak brains that seem to
have difficulty with concepts more complicated than square peg-round hole.
;-)
Robert L Bass
>
> 4 car lengths at 20 miles per hour and 120 miles per hour are way different.
When I learned it the rule of thumb was one car length for every 10 miles per
hour. At 20 mph that's 2 car lengths and at 120 mph it comes to 12 car
lengths. I just try to keep as much space between me and the next guy as
traffic will permit. Unfortunately, in SW Florida where I live the snow birds
often move into my lane from right next to me. There are just way too many
people on the road who really shouldn't be driving any more. Then again,
maybe I'm one of them. :^)
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Bob
|>rwayatime wrote:
|>...
|>>> I leave a car length in the city, and more as the speeds get higher,
|>>
|>> You are too close.
|>> The safe rule is 2 seconds at any speed in dry weather
|>> ..
|>
|>
|>Scoots have become quite 'cool' in Vancouver BC. The latest faux pose
|>is to ride scoots with both of one's hands resting on one's knees. I've
|>seen three different people doing this in the last three days. All were
|>within fifteen feet of the cage in front of them, doing roughly 50-60
|>kph. Meanwhile, the cops here have a campaign to ticket bicycle riders
|>who don't wear helmets. When I go to the store to buy fags, I have
|>usually been into the plonk, so I ride my bicycle on the sidewalk. They
|>ticket here for that too, but if I ever get a summons for doing it, will
|>enjoy describing my reasonable grounds for breaking that statute to the
|>judge.
I always hang both hands on the handlebars, in a pull-back drive,
with or without the main Wide Majesty Seat.....
I did a (low five) to another biker, and a car jumped across (from a
side road), in front of me, so I slammed the front brake with my free
handlebar hand and screeched pretty good, I was surprised that a mid-engine
(scoot) would hold the front (70% stopping power) front wheel so good......
I've always had a problem keeping the front wheel hard open the
surface, which is a problem with most mid-engines (scoots), and also
explains the lack of need for a triple tree....
As for bicycles, I think they should have bicycle plates, like mine
had 50 years ago, and should be on the road, or be very generous on a wide
sidewalk......
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> "rwayatime" wrote:
>> 4 car lengths at 20 miles per hour and 120 miles per hour are way
>> different.
>
> When I learned it the rule of thumb was one car length for every 10
> miles per hour.
Same when I learned to drive, back in the '50s. However, ...
> At 20 mph that's 2 car lengths and at 120 mph it comes to 12 car
> lengths. ...
..taking the time to calculate car lengths at 120mph is quite
distracting. If you simply forget about car lengths, and use the
replacement (40 years ago?) "Two-Second-Rule", it becomes so much
easier.
Notice car ahead passes some/any landmark.
Count two seconds ("one-one-thousand, two-one-thousand").
You pass same landmark. Speed doesn't matter.
Allow additional seconds for dark, inclement weather, or other
abnormalities (such as "120mph" <g>).
--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Windows
Timberwoof
"Robert L Bass" <Sa...@BassBurglarAlarms.com> wrote:
> "rwayatime" wrote:
> >
> > 4 car lengths at 20 miles per hour and 120 miles per hour are way
> > different.
>
> When I learned it the rule of thumb was one car length for every 10 miles per
> hour. At 20 mph that's 2 car lengths and at 120 mph it comes to 12 car
> lengths.
My driving textbook and driver's manual said that, but we were also
taught the two-second rule, which is a lot more reliable. When the car
ahead of you passes an object (a shadow or painted line across the road
works well) you count "one one thousand two one thousand". If you finish
before you get to the thing, then the following distance is appropriate.
> I just try to keep as much space between me and the next guy as
> traffic will permit.
Taken literally, that means you don't move. ;-)
> Unfortunately, in SW Florida where I live the snow
> birds
> often move into my lane from right next to me. There are just way too many
> people on the road who really shouldn't be driving any more.
If traffic is that dense, then it will slow down anyway.
Lately I've been commuting to work 55 miles each way. I do close to 65
mph and I stay in the right lane unless I'm passing someone. Generally
people respect my space. Most people are busy passing each other in the
other three lanes, and it seems silly to tailgate someone in the right
lane. I also wave at the cops at the side of the road. }: )
> Then again,
> maybe I'm one of them. :^)
Keep your body and brain sharp with exercises physical and mental...
Robert L Bass
>
> ..taking the time to calculate car lengths at 120mph is quite
> distracting. If you simply forget about car lengths, and use the
> replacement (40 years ago?) "Two-Second-Rule", it becomes so much
> easier.
I agree. I only mentioned it because the earlier post seemed not to take the
speed to distance ratio into account. Although some folks I know say it's
distracting counting seconds, I find myself doing so every so often,
especially on the highway where almost eveyone (myself included) is doing 80
mph.
> Notice car ahead passes some/any landmark.
> Count two seconds ("one-one-thousand, two-one-thousand").
> You pass same landmark. Speed doesn't matter.
Yep.
> Allow additional seconds for dark, inclement weather, or other
> abnormalities (such as "120mph" <g>).
Same here. I don't normally drive at *excessive* speed. I'm usually no more
than 10 over although I have let the M109 out on a back road and an empty
freeway a few times. :^)
Robert L Bass
>
> My driving textbook and driver's manual said that, but we were also
> taught the two-second rule, which is a lot more reliable. When the car
> ahead of you passes an object (a shadow or painted line across the road
> works well) you count "one one thousand two one thousand". If you finish
> before you get to the thing, then the following distance is appropriate.
Agreed. See my response to the other gentleman.
>> I just try to keep as much space between me and the next guy as
>> traffic will permit.
>
> Taken literally, that means you don't move. ;-)
Heh, heh, heh... :^)
> If traffic is that dense, then it will slow down anyway.
It's not the traffic that's dense. It's the drivers.
> Lately I've been commuting to work 55 miles each way. I do close to 65
> mph and I stay in the right lane unless I'm passing someone. Generally
> people respect my space. Most people are busy passing each other in the
> other three lanes, and it seems silly to tailgate someone in the right
> lane. I also wave at the cops at the side of the road. }: )
That's a long commute. I hope the weather is good to you.
> Keep your body and brain sharp with exercises physical and mental...
Wish I still could exercise. Fighting cancer (2nd time around) and it's all I
can do to walk around the house at the moment.
Timberwoof
"Robert L Bass" <Sa...@BassBurglarAlarms.com> wrote:
> "Timberwoof" wrote:
> >
> > My driving textbook and driver's manual said that, but we were also
> > taught the two-second rule, which is a lot more reliable. When the car
> > ahead of you passes an object (a shadow or painted line across the road
> > works well) you count "one one thousand two one thousand". If you finish
> > before you get to the thing, then the following distance is appropriate.
>
> Agreed. See my response to the other gentleman.
>
> >> I just try to keep as much space between me and the next guy as
> >> traffic will permit.
> >
> > Taken literally, that means you don't move. ;-)
>
> Heh, heh, heh... :^)
>
> > If traffic is that dense, then it will slow down anyway.
>
> It's not the traffic that's dense. It's the drivers.
Sometimes it's both. =:o
> > Lately I've been commuting to work 55 miles each way. I do close to 65
> > mph and I stay in the right lane unless I'm passing someone. Generally
> > people respect my space. Most people are busy passing each other in the
> > other three lanes, and it seems silly to tailgate someone in the right
> > lane. I also wave at the cops at the side of the road. }: )
>
> That's a long commute. I hope the weather is good to you.
It's along I-280, pretty much from one end to the other. In San
Francisco it tends to be foggy and cold; in San Jose it tends to be hot.
Warm and snug for the SF end is too hot for the SJ end. On hot days I
wear my perforated leathers and hope it doesn't get too cold. On cold
days I wear my Aerostich. The rainjacket is in the saddlebag in case it
gets too cold or rainy. As long as it doesn't snow...
> > Keep your body and brain sharp with exercises physical and mental...
>
> Wish I still could exercise. Fighting cancer (2nd time around) and it's all
> I
> can do to walk around the house at the moment.
If walking around is all you can do, then that's what you have to do.
I had heart surgery (of the minor kind) ten years ago. That evening they
made me get up out of bed and walk to the nurse's station and back. When
I was done I felt worn out but good, as though I had won a tough hockey
game. (Yeah, I know what that feels like.) Good health to you!
Timberwoof
"Robert L Bass" <Sa...@BassBurglarAlarms.com> wrote:
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
> >
> > ..taking the time to calculate car lengths at 120mph is quite
> > distracting. If you simply forget about car lengths, and use the
> > replacement (40 years ago?) "Two-Second-Rule", it becomes so much
> > easier.
>
> I agree. I only mentioned it because the earlier post seemed not to take the
> speed to distance ratio into account. Although some folks I know say it's
> distracting counting seconds,
:? That's easier than estimating and counting car lengths. Besides, if
you do it a lot, then after a while, you get a good feeling for proper
following distance and you don't have to count any more.
> I find myself doing so every so often,
> especially on the highway where almost eveyone (myself included) is doing 80
> mph.
I see gas prices aren't around $4.70 in your area yet. I think traffic
has slowed down around here ... and it's not just me!
> > Notice car ahead passes some/any landmark.
> > Count two seconds ("one-one-thousand, two-one-thousand").
> > You pass same landmark. Speed doesn't matter.
>
> Yep.
>
> > Allow additional seconds for dark, inclement weather, or other
> > abnormalities (such as "120mph" <g>).
>
> Same here. I don't normally drive at *excessive* speed. I'm usually no more
> than 10 over although I have let the M109 out on a back road and an empty
> freeway a few times. :^)
Empty ... freeway? What's that?
--
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"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
cmiles3
suggests 3 seconds in good conditions, 4 seonds or more in less than
ideal...
Of course, on the morning commute, if you leave more than 1 second
separation, you will be cut off, continuously, around Tulsa.
Moving ahead while traffic is stopped at a light is called "filtering"
in some areas. Usually, this is not "legal", but you can use it
judiciously to reduce your commute time. I've done this occasionally,
but I'm not usually in a hurry, so I don't.
Lane splitting isn't common here; moving between two lanes of traffic
at a speed 10-15 mph faster. I've seen others comment that it isn't
safe at normal highway speeds, and shouldn't be considered if traffic
is moving faster than 20 or 30 mph. Technically, it isn't allowed, so
it's not legal, but you miht get away with it unless you're being
obnoxious. I've seen cars cut off people who try to pass by lane
splitting or passing on the shoulder, so it's not recommended here.
Yesterday, I had someone cut me off when I tried to pass on the
shoulder, a line of cars blocked by a truck making a left turn. The
cager even pointed to the signs prohibiting passing on the shoulder.
On Jul 11, 10:59 pm, "rwayatime" <to...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Who Me?" <hitchhi...@dont.panic> wrote in message
>
> news:Rxndk.4953$cn7....@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
>
>
> > "Michael Bednarek" <ROT13...@gtz.pbz.nh> wrote
Robert L Bass
>
> Moving ahead while traffic is stopped at a light is called "filtering"
in some areas. Usually, this is not "legal", but you can use it
judiciously to reduce your commute time. I've done this occasionally,
but I'm not usually in a hurry, so I don't.
>
> Lane splitting isn't common here; moving between two lanes of traffic
I ride both in the USA and in Brazil. In Florida filtering and lane splitting
are illegal. In Brazil, both are normal and actually encouraged behavior.
Riding in Brazil is complicated by road conditions (huge potholes even in the
middle of the city; many roads without breakdown lanes and broken, irregular
pavement are common) and driving habits. Most cagers and bikers alike seem to
regard lines on the roads as mere decorations. People pass on both sides and
even cut into opposing traffic to get around each other.
At first I found even driving cars there to be hair raising but after a while
I became accustomed to things like red lights being optional (no kidding,
really) at night, people driving on sidewalks, etc. I find riding in the US
to be a rather calm, soothing experience by comparison. :^)
SAMMMM
nothing unusual about busses passing on a blind uphill corner.
i spent a few visits in brasil and enjoyed every minute.
nice people, lovely women.
"Robert L Bass" <Sa...@BassBurglarAlarms.com> wrote in message
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Robert L Bass
> hell, in brasil, even the busses lane split!
> nothing unusual about busses passing on a blind uphill corner.
> i spent a few visits in brasil and enjoyed every minute.
> nice people, lovely women.
Yep, the people are marvelous. The women are indeed lovely, too. I know. I
married one. :^)
I notice you spell Brasil correctly, too. Vc fala Portuguese?
rwayatime
"cmiles3" <cmi...@alumni.ou.edu> wrote in message
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2 seconds works if you're on your best behavior whilst scooting. MSF
suggests 3 seconds in good conditions, 4 seonds or more in less than
ideal...
Of course, on the morning commute, if you leave more than 1 second
separation, you will be cut off, continuously, around Tulsa.
You follow at 1 second and you will get cut off
Follow at 2 or 3 seconds it is impossible !!!
And follow at 1 second can earn you a follow too close traffic ticket
And worse than that you will probably run into the back of a vehicle ahead
of you some day.
Another rider fault crash in the newspaper.
Robert L Bass
>
> And follow at 1 second can earn you a follow too close traffic ticket
> And worse than that you will probably run into the back of a vehicle ahead
> of you some day.
I can't argue with you there, friend. I'm fortunate because I work at home.
Commuting is just a 100' walk. In Sarasota we have two seasons -- snowbird
and summer. During the summer months it's quiet here and traffic is light.
During the colder months the snowbirds drive their Cadillac's down from
Michigan, Canada and other strange places. They must really love bikers
because they routinely move over into the lanes we're in without warning.
Being old (average driver age in Sarasota is about 80 or so it seems) they
also spend a lot of time sleeping. To save time they do this while driving.
> Another rider fault crash in the newspaper.
Aren't they all? :^)
Moe Jones
> I can't argue with you there, friend. I'm fortunate because I work
> at home. Commuting is just a 100' walk. In Sarasota we have two
> seasons -- snowbird and summer. During the summer months it's quiet
> here and traffic is light. During the colder months the snowbirds
> drive their Cadillac's down from Michigan, Canada and other strange
> places. They must really love bikers because they routinely move
> over into the lanes we're in without warning. Being old (average
> driver age in Sarasota is about 80 or so it seems) they also spend a
> lot of time sleeping. To save time they do this while driving.
>> Another rider fault crash in the newspaper.
>
> Aren't they all? :^)
I use to live in Arizonaback in the late 60's and have seen the snow birds
run over bikers because they had passed them on the road and they did not
like it.
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Moe Jones
http://www.MoeJones.info