Scooter Soldering Kit Battery
Bob
I wanna know if I can hot wire my scooter battery to a regular
12v/60w soldering iron to do local soldering repairs without going to the
other fuel/chemical bonding methods for safety ????
I know most soldering kits, you buy or build, usually require a
standard wall socket 120v/60w soldering iron and some 4AA batteries....
So I was wondering what would happen if I used a 12volt SLA 8 amp
battery, since the wall outlet is a about 90watts and the 12volt SLA battery
is also some 96 watts although it drops quickly to an easy 11 volts because
of a burned cell I'm guessing....
The math is there but some other factor is missing, I can't see the
power of a 12volt SLA battery to a mere 4 AAs ...........has anybody ever
tried this with a regular soldering iron for outdoor use???
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>
>
> I wanna know if I can hot wire my scooter battery to a regular
>12v/60w soldering iron to do local soldering repairs without going to the
>other fuel/chemical bonding methods for safety ????
>
> I know most soldering kits, you buy or build, usually require a
>standard wall socket 120v/60w soldering iron and some 4AA batteries....
>
> So I was wondering what would happen if I used a 12volt SLA 8 amp
>battery, since the wall outlet is a about 90watts and the 12volt SLA battery
>is also some 96 watts although it drops quickly to an easy 11 volts because
>of a burned cell I'm guessing....
>
> The math is there but some other factor is missing, I can't see the
>power of a 12volt SLA battery to a mere 4 AAs ...........has anybody ever
>tried this with a regular soldering iron for outdoor use???
Dave Plowman (News)
Bob <rk...@armageddon.info> wrote:
> I wanna know if I can hot wire my scooter battery to a regular 12v/60w
> soldering iron to do local soldering repairs without going to the other
> fuel/chemical bonding methods for safety ????
> I know most soldering kits, you buy or build, usually require a
> standard wall socket 120v/60w soldering iron and some 4AA batteries....
Eh? Loads of 12 volt soldering irons on the market. Here's one:-
If the scooter is 12 volts the simple way would be to fit a car accessory
socket which the iron plug will fit. But make sure it has a suitable fuse
close to where you wire it into the scooter wiring or battery.
> So I was wondering what would happen if I used a 12volt SLA 8 amp
> battery, since the wall outlet is a about 90watts and the 12volt SLA
> battery is also some 96 watts although it drops quickly to an easy 11
> volts because of a burned cell I'm guessing....
> The math is there but some other factor is missing, I can't see the
> power of a 12volt SLA battery to a mere 4 AAs ...........has anybody
> ever tried this with a regular soldering iron for outdoor use???
Bit difficult to to actually guess what you mean but I'll have a go.
Is the scooter 12 volts? Does it use a SLA battery? Or a sealed car type
one? Because the type of charger needed for true SLA is different from
'sealed' types, and using a charger for the latter will likely fry a true
SLA.
BTW - batteries aren't measure in watts but amp hours. They might also
give a maximum load in amps.
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.
> I wanna know if I can hot wire my scooter battery to a regular
> 12v/60w soldering iron to do local soldering repairs
Why not? No more current will pass through the heating coil than the
resistance of said coil allows to pass.
If you're worried about damaging the soldering iron, put a 10 amp fuse
in the input wiring. 10 amps should be twice the normal maximum
current draw of the 12 volt iron. (1)
> I know most soldering kits, you buy or build, usually require a
> standard wall socket 120v/60w soldering iron and some 4AA batteries....
The AA batteries would provide half an amp of current to the heating
coil of the soldering iron, but wouldn't have the ampere hour capacity
to keep supplying the
1/2 an amp the iron draws.
>
> So I was wondering what would happen if I used a 12volt SLA 8 amp
> battery, since the wall outlet is a about 90watts
If your wall outlet has a 30 amp breaker or fuse, it will supply 3600
watts, not 90 watts.
> and the 12volt SLA battery
> is also some 96 watts although it drops quickly to an easy 11 volts because
> of a burned cell I'm guessing....
Your battery may be old and could be dehydrated or has sulfated
plates.
Your fully charged 8 ampere hour battery should provide 8 amperes to a
load for
one hour without the voltage dropping below 12 volts. If it quickly
drops to 11 volts under load, it's not fully charged.
The resting voltage of a fully charged SLA battery half an hour after
charging should be 12.8 volts.
You can find battery state of charge charts online which will tell you
what the state of charge of a lead acid battery is, according to
resting voltage.
>
> The math is there but some other factor is missing, I can't see the
> power of a 12volt SLA battery to a mere 4 AAs ...........
The missing factor in your understanding seems to be the concept of
*ampere hour capacity*.
> has anybody ever
> tried this with a regular soldering iron for outdoor use???
No, I never tried that, but...
Work out the Ohm's law for your 120 volt soldering iron, or measure
the resistance of the coil and you'll see how many amps it draws from
a 12 volt battery.
The heating coil doesn't know what the source of power is, it just
heats up according to the current it receives.
(1) You might want to research the coefficient of resistance of
nichrome wire to see what the resistance is when the wire gets hot
enough to melt solder.
Who Me?
"Bob" <rk...@armageddon.info> wrote
> I wanna know if I can hot wire my scooter battery to a regular
> 12v/60w soldering iron to do local soldering repairs
Yes. You should have stopped right there........
> without going to the
> other fuel/chemical bonding methods for safety ????
......as the rest of your post pretty much makes no sense.
Also, for about $5 from Harbor Freight or JC Whitney or similar you can get
a pencil size butane torch.
TOG@Toil
> I wanna know if I can hot wire my scooter battery to a regular
> 12v/60w soldering iron to do local soldering repairs
I really wouldn't. A scooter battery is so small it'll flatten quickly
(unless you keep it attached to a charger while soldering). Just buy a
proper mains current soldering iron. It's not like they're expensive.
That's the simple answer.
Mark Olson
I was going to disagree but having thought about it I must agree.
Under what circumstances would you need to *solder* anything on
a bike or scooter, that couldn't wait until you reach someplace
with mains power? That's assuming that soldering is a proper
repair for a vehicle wiring harness in the first place, which it
may well not be. Connections subject to severe vibration, as
are those on a motorcycle, may actually be less reliable when
soldered vs. properly crimped.
.
> I was going to disagree but having thought about it I must agree.
> Under what circumstances would you need to *solder* anything on
> a bike or scooter, that couldn't wait until you reach someplace
> with mains power? �
I used to work with an aircraft electrician who had to go out and do
emergency repairs on helicopters under combat conditions in Viet Nam.
He had a soldering iron which was heated by chemical reactions while
he crouched in rice paddies and bullets whizzed around.
While most electrical connections on aircraft are crimp type
connections, and the same is true of motorcycle connections, I always
cut off "iffy" terminals, strip and tin the wires and solder them
together.
Recalling my Air Force tech school education, I calculated that a 12
volt 60 watt
heating element is going to have 2.4 ohms of resistance and draw 5
amperes.
A 120 volt 60 watt element is going to have 240 ohms of resistance and
draw
0.5 amps of current.
It seems like fully charged 8 ampere hour battery in good condition
should be able to keep that iron hot for 16 hours without the voltage
dropping below 12 volts.
But, what do I know? After all, I am senile, suffering from syphilis,
Lyme disease, and I'm an alcoholic drug addict, according to some NG
users...
The Older Gentleman
> > I was going to disagree but having thought about it I must agree.
> > Under what circumstances would you need to *solder* anything on
> > a bike or scooter, that couldn't wait until you reach someplace
> > with mains power? ?
>
> I used to work with an aircraft electrician who had to go out and do
> emergency repairs on helicopters under combat conditions in Viet Nam.
And this relates to scooters... how, exactly?
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Mark Olson
> Recalling my Air Force tech school education, I calculated that a 12
> volt 60 watt
> heating element is going to have 2.4 ohms of resistance and draw 5
> amperes.
> A 120 volt 60 watt element is going to have 240 ohms of resistance and
> draw
> 0.5 amps of current.
OK
> It seems like fully charged 8 ampere hour battery in good condition
> should be able to keep that iron hot for 16 hours without the voltage
> dropping below 12 volts.
No. An 8 ampere-hour battery can only supply 5A for 1.6 hours. You
mixed up the current draw of the 120V and 12V irons. Unless you were
talking about a 120V DC 8 A-h battery?
> But, what do I know? After all, I am senile, suffering from syphilis,
> Lyme disease, and I'm an alcoholic drug addict, according to some NG
> users...
But that doesn't make you a bad person.
Spouting virulent, nasty racist shit on newsgroups does, though.
.
wrote:
> And this relates to scooters... how, exactly?
Home from "work" already?
Couldn't you have just stopped at your local pub and tossed back a
pint and
played a few rounds of darts with your friends.
Or are you Sutton's local "Billy No Mates"?
The Older Gentleman
> Home from "work" already?
Yup. Unlike you, I have a job. You got fired, didn't you?
The Older Gentleman
> > It seems like fully charged 8 ampere hour battery in good condition
> > should be able to keep that iron hot for 16 hours without the voltage
> > dropping below 12 volts.
>
> No. An 8 ampere-hour battery can only supply 5A for 1.6 hours. You
> mixed up the current draw of the 120V and 12V irons. Unless you were
> talking about a 120V DC 8 A-h battery?
*Snort*
Hans-Christian Becker
>Recalling my Air Force tech school education, I calculated that a 12
>volt 60 watt
>heating element is going to have 2.4 ohms of resistance and draw 5
>amperes.
Correct.
>A 120 volt 60 watt element is going to have 240 ohms of resistance and
>draw
>0.5 amps of current.
At 120 V, yes.
>It seems like fully charged 8 ampere hour battery in good condition
>should be able to keep that iron hot for 16 hours without the voltage
>dropping below 12 volts.
Powering the 120 V iron from 12 V will result in a current of
(12 V)/(240 Ohm) = 50 mA, and a power dissipation of
(12 V)^2/(240 Ohm) = 0.6 W. Not exactly a whole lot to solder with.
--
Dr. Hans-Christian Becker
'96 VN750 SM5TLH KG6POK
Uppsala, Sweden
.
wrote:
> Powering the 120 V iron from 12 V will result in a current of
> (12 V)/(240 Ohm) = 50 mA, and a power dissipation of
> (12 V)^2/(240 Ohm) = 0.6 W. Not exactly a whole lot to solder with.
Now I can see my conceptual error. I was *ass*uming that the 120 volt
soldering iron would always dissipate 60 watts.
.
wrote:
> Yup. Unlike you, I have a job. You got fired, didn't you?
Well, cock-a-doodle-doo! and hooray for Neil Murray, he hasn't been
sacked recently!
.
> But that doesn't make you a bad person.
>
> Spouting virulent, nasty racist shit on newsgroups does, though.
God judges me and Jesus forgives me, though. How can *you* carry a
grudge against the judged and forgiven?
ian field
"Who Me?" <hitch...@dont.panic> wrote in message
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The pencil size butane torch I have works very well - unfortunately the
catalysing solder tip that came with it is about as much use as a chocolate
teapot!
ian field
"." <Buteo.l...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 9, 10:19?am, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:
> I was going to disagree but having thought about it I must agree.
> Under what circumstances would you need to *solder* anything on
> a bike or scooter, that couldn't wait until you reach someplace
> with mains power? ?
I used to work with an aircraft electrician who had to go out and do
emergency repairs on helicopters under combat conditions in Viet Nam.
He had a soldering iron which was heated by chemical reactions while
he crouched in rice paddies and bullets whizzed around.
While most electrical connections on aircraft are crimp type
connections, and the same is true of motorcycle connections, I always
cut off "iffy" terminals, strip and tin the wires and solder them
together.
Recalling my Air Force tech school education, I calculated that a 12
volt 60 watt
heating element is going to have 2.4 ohms of resistance and draw 5
amperes.
A 120 volt 60 watt element is going to have 240 ohms of resistance and
draw
0.5 amps of current.
It seems like fully charged 8 ampere hour battery in good condition
should be able to keep that iron hot for 16 hours without the voltage
dropping below 12 volts.
-----------------------------------
A 12V battery isn't going to keep a 120V soldering iron even noticeably warm
for any length of time.
--------------------------------------------------
But, what do I know? After all, I am senile, suffering from syphilis,
Lyme disease, and I'm an alcoholic drug addict, according to some NG
users...
------------------------------------
They seem to know you quite well.
.
> "." <Buteo.linea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> But, what do I know? After all, I am senile, suffering from syphilis,
> Lyme disease, and I'm an alcoholic drug addict, according to some NG
> users...
> They seem to know you quite well.
They don't know me at all, they just read what they want into my
screeds and throw labels around.
Steve
news:49908ce0$1...@alca.its.uu.se...
Finally, someone with some actual electrical training. I was laughing my
A** off while reading the "theories" about how a 12VDC source would take the
place of 120VAC.
BTW, 120VAC is the RMS (Root Mean Square) voltage. The wiring for an AC
soldering iron is completely different from a DC soldering iron. To get
120VAC RMS voltage out of the household outlet, the AC generator must swing
from 169.7 volts positive, through zero and then to 169.7 volts negative
(and thus the reason it is called a sine wave). The 120 volts (average)
measured is calculated from the SIN 45 degrees which happens to be 0.707
times the peak voltage of 169.7 VAC.
Not to mention that Ohms is calculated completely different for an AC device
than for a DC device. In a DC device, Ohms is a linear calculation, not so
for AC. In DC, Ohms is RESISTANCE, for AC circuits, it is IMPEDANCE.
Wouldn't surprise me to find out the AC soldering iron electrical coil was
toasted when the voltage was applied across the two terminals.
Sounds like not only was the "math" not there, but a little education wasn't
around either. LOL
Have a great day!
--
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"ian field" <gangprob...@ntlworld.com> wrote
> The pencil size butane torch I have works very well - unfortunately the
> catalysing solder tip that came with it is about as much use as a
> chocolate
> teapot!
>
OK, so we are left with two options:
1) Practice soldering with a bare butane flame. The pencil torches can be
adjusted (after a short warm-up) to a flame small enough to do the
job.......but that IS an acquired skill.
OR
2) Spend a few extra bucks and get a "real" butane soldering pencil. I have
one and it works very good......."catalyzing" tip and all!
.
> Wouldn't surprise me to find out the AC soldering iron electrical coil was
> toasted when the voltage was applied across the two terminals.
Well, it would sure as hell surprise *me* if DC voltage damaged the
nichrome wire used in a heating coil.
Sure, there would be some initial inrush current as the heater coil
was plugged in, and there would be some counter emf for a very brief
period, and that's it, the end of XsubL.
The coil then becomes a purely resistive load.
.
> OK, so we are left with two options:
> 1) Practice soldering with a bare butane flame. The pencil torches can be
> adjusted (after a short warm-up) to a flame small enough to do the
> job.......but that IS an acquired skill.
When I was working for Hughes Aircraft Company on prototype
electromechanical systems back in the late 1960's, one lab had a neat
little gadget called a "water welder".
It somehow used electricity to generate a flammable gas that came out
of the tiniest hole in the tip and I could use that flame to solder
sheet brass into compartmented prototype electronic chasses...
SoCalMike
> I was going to disagree but having thought about it I must agree.
> Under what circumstances would you need to *solder* anything on
> a bike or scooter, that couldn't wait until you reach someplace
> with mains power?
one scenario i envisioned was taking the scooter to a park or empty
field/lake/whatever with an RC vehicle- plane, boat, car, helicopter and
having to do field repairs on the RC vehicle. no mains around, obviously.
Bob Shuman
welder" would imply the gas might be H2 (Hydrogen) which is indeed highly
flammable! Simple electrolysis of water (H2O) with an electric current
would produce both hydrogen and oxygen for combustion. The trick would be
in controlling the combustion process and in dealing with the resulting
byproduct water that was produced.
Bob
"." <Rhia...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Who Me?
"." <Rhia...@gmail.com> wrote
>When I was working for Hughes Aircraft Company on prototype
>electromechanical systems back in the late 1960's, one lab had a neat
>little gadget called a "water welder".
Aw hell. Now that's just downright disappointing.
I thought for sure you would tell us about the job you had when you INVENTED
fire.
;-)
.
> Aw hell. Now that's just downright disappointing.
> I thought for sure you would tell us about the job you had when you INVENTED
> fire.
You're confused. The job title of my ancestor who discovered fire was
"Cave Bear Killer"... ;-)
Paul aka Sporty
"Bob" <rk...@armageddon.info> wrote in message
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>
>
> I wanna know if I can hot wire my scooter battery to a regular
> 12v/60w soldering iron to do local soldering repairs without going to the
> other fuel/chemical bonding methods for safety ????
>
> I know most soldering kits, you buy or build, usually require a
> standard wall socket 120v/60w soldering iron and some 4AA batteries....
>
> So I was wondering what would happen if I used a 12volt SLA 8 amp
> battery, since the wall outlet is a about 90watts and the 12volt SLA
> battery
> is also some 96 watts although it drops quickly to an easy 11 volts
> because
> of a burned cell I'm guessing....
>
> The math is there but some other factor is missing, I can't see the
> power of a 12volt SLA battery to a mere 4 AAs ...........has anybody ever
> tried this with a regular soldering iron for outdoor use???
> --
> Triad Productions-Fantalla恙EZine~ParaNovel
> National Association of Assault Research
> (http://tarbitch.balder.prohosting.com/htmlconc. html)
http://www.portasol.com/solderirons.html
I have one that's 20 years old and still works.
Paul aka Sporty
"Our groundbreaking product the Portasol 'Technic' was the first pocket
portable, butane powered, soldering iron. Standard issue in countless
service companies the Technic combines compact power and convenient
reliability. Adjustable from 10 to 60 watts equivalent power, the Technic
features 10-second refill, auto switch off, built-in ignitor and excellent
build quality. Accessories include a range of tips including a hot knife tip
for nylon rope and polymer cutting."
Bob
|>Mark Olson wrote:
|>...
|>> I was going to disagree but having thought about it I must agree.
|>> Under what circumstances would you need to *solder* anything on
|>> a bike or scooter, that couldn't wait until you reach someplace
|>> with mains power? ...
|>
|>I know Bob and if he's still living in that colourful part of town I remember, he must do his own maintenance on the street without access to household power. (Heh, heh, I'm lucky, relatively speaking, my trailer has a power outlet, only problem is in winter when I have to remember to turn off various appliances inside because of the whopping 30 amp service in the park!)
Thanx for all the input, but I came to the conclusion that I would
rather not risk "toasting" my soldering iron....one calculative post said
it would... in Message-ID: <cG2kl.3686$I93...@newsfe18.iad>
The fact being that it is not absolutely necessary like an emergency
(when losing an iron would mean nothing).....although it may be a practical
emergency application, but who is going to tote a soldering iron around
under the already filled under seat scooter storage space.
I can get the bike to mains in my other place, but my parking place
has no electrical conveniences....
I needed to solder some 20 gauge wiring to those fine little piezo
speaker/siren/buzzer wires.
ian field
"Steve" <ams...@charter.net> wrote in message
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RMS isn't "average", its equal to the DC voltage that would produce the same
heating effect in a purely resistive element.
For a purely resistive element, Ohms is calculated the same for AC or DC,
the catch is that most resistive (heating) elements have a positive
temperature coefficient - that is to say the resistance increases with
rising temperature.
S'mee
> I wanna know if I can hot wire my scooter battery to a regular
> 12v/60w soldering iron to do local soldering repairs without going to the
> other fuel/chemical bonding methods for safety ????
Why bother? Buy a butane powered soldering iron and be done with it.
--
Keith
R. LaCasse
Sounds good, if you plan on burning all the plastic around the
soldering area I'm considering with wind included...pretty messy
sometimes..
Maybe I'll go rob a crack head for his butane lighter for all the
use I would need it for on this crampy plastic application....
Dave Plowman (News)
R. LaCasse <sco...@yamaha.info> wrote:
> |>Why bother? Buy a butane powered soldering iron and be done with it.
> Sounds good, if you plan on burning all the plastic around the
> soldering area I'm considering with wind included...pretty messy
> sometimes..
Wind is a problem with an electric soldering iron too.
> Maybe I'll go rob a crack head for his butane lighter for all the
> use I would need it for on this crampy plastic application....
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"R. LaCasse" <sco...@yamaha.info> wrote
> |>Why bother? Buy a butane powered soldering iron and be done with it.
>
I think I suggested that about a week ago!
> Sounds good, if you plan on burning all the plastic around the
> soldering area I'm considering with wind included...pretty messy
> sometimes..
>
Not if you use your brain just a TINY bit.
You fire it up, let it heat to the proper useable temperature and the SHUT
THE FLAME OFF before you get near the plastic parts. Should be good for one
or two joints before the wind cools it off too much.
OR
The little catalytic flame only blows in one direction; once you figure that
out, you should be able to point it AWAY from the meltable parts........and
once it is up to temp. and you turn the "flame" down to a maintenance level,
there isn't that much heat coming out anyway.
OR
You could continue to whine over nothing.
Paul aka Sporty
"Who Me?" <hitch...@dont.panic> wrote in message
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The Portasol is very controllable, I never melted anything other than solder
with it.
All you need is some soldering skills and some common sense when using it.
ian field
"Paul aka Sporty" <wh...@too.you> wrote in message
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A good flux is often handy too.
The strands in vehicle wiring are rarely tin plated and usually oxidised,
the flux in cored solder just makes a mess so I keep a tub of active
plumbers flux ready to hand.
Someone else mentioned the risk of vibration to soldered joints - heat
shrink sleeve reduces this risk significantly.
Ian Singer
> A good flux is often handy too.
>
> The strands in vehicle wiring are rarely tin plated and usually oxidised,
> the flux in cored solder just makes a mess so I keep a tub of active
> plumbers flux ready to hand.
>
> Someone else mentioned the risk of vibration to soldered joints - heat
> shrink sleeve reduces this risk significantly.
>
Very BAD idea. Plumbers flux is acid based and that is not what you want
on wires.
Ian Singer
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"ian field" <gangprob...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Rosin Flux Soldering Paste is what you need.
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2049774
http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/CAIG-LABORATORIES-RSF-R80-2-/200-385
ian field
"Paul aka Sporty" <wh...@too.you> wrote in message
It doesn't work - it just burns on as an impenetrable lacquer so you have to
scrape all the strands with a knife blade before you can carry on and do the
job properly with an active flux. If the solder takes on any of the strands
you can't easily scrape them so you then have to cut the ruined strands off
and start all over again!
Jim Yanik
soldering with an acid flux is OK *IF* you clean ALL the flux off
afterwards. (very iffy...)
Otherwise,the acid eventually eats thru the wire enough that vibration
breaks it.
BTW,some rosin fluxes are more active than others.
I wonder if you first cleaned the wires with Tarn-X,then soldered with
rosin flux,if that would be better?
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jyanik
at
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Paul aka Sporty
"ian field" <gangprob...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Always remember to slide a piece of shrink wrap up the wire BEFORE starting.
That's the 1st step in a clean solder joint, All metal must be clean and
bright, Then flux and heat to temp, Tinning sometimes
makes the job quicker, After feeding solder and getting a smooth flow allow
to cool before moving to avoid a cold solder joint.
Who Me?
"ian field" <gangprob...@ntlworld.com> wrote
>> Rosin Flux Soldering Paste is what you need.
>>
>
> It doesn't work -
I'm sure that tens of millions of technicians and plumbers world wide with
thank you for telling them that what they have been doing successfully for
years really isn't working!!! Bull shit.
At the point where the flux liquefies and begins to boil......but before it
burns to a crisp.....THAT is when you apply the solder......or at least
those of us who know what we are doing do.
S'mee
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:37:53 -0800 (PST), "S'mee"
>
>
> |>On Feb 9, 6:07 am, Bob <r...@armageddon.info> wrote:
> |>> I wanna know if I can hot wire my scooter battery to a regular
> |>> 12v/60w soldering iron to do local soldering repairs without going to the
> |>> other fuel/chemical bonding methods for safety ????
> |>
> |>Why bother? Buy a butane powered soldering iron and be done with it.
>
> Sounds good, if you plan on burning all the plastic around the
> soldering area I'm considering with wind included...pretty messy
> sometimes..
Really? Are you SURE about that? 'cause I've been using them since the
early 90's and have never "Burnt the plastic around the soldering
area" over heated some wire that I was working on? Sure, do that with
an electric one also...who hasn't?
> Maybe I'll go rob a crack head for his butane lighter for all the
> use I would need it for on this crampy plastic application....
You sure don't know what you are talking about that's for damn sure.
But hey do it the hard way, if that's what you want. I mean what would
I know, just because I've done if for a long damn time.
--
Keith
S'mee
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> "Paul aka Sporty" <wh...@too.you> wrote in messagenews:62%kl.121$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
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> >> "Paul aka Sporty" <wh...@too.you> wrote in message
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> >>>> "R. LaCasse" <scoo...@yamaha.info> wrote
Only if you slop it on like house paint... a little dab is all it
takes. Yes it takes practice to learn just how much to NOT use. But
what the heck it's fun learning a new skill. IIRC I learned this
building my first Heathkit radio back in...uh, 1976 iirc.
--
Keith
.
> Only if you slop it on like house paint... a little dab is all it
> takes. Yes it takes practice to learn just how much to NOT use. But
> what the heck it's fun learning a new skill. IIRC I learned this
> building my first Heathkit radio back in...uh, 1976 iirc.
OK, so you were a precocious 10 year old kid. Too bad you haven't
matured...
ian field
"Who Me?" <hitch...@dont.panic> wrote in message
You're really good at twisting words aren't you - especially having snipped
all the relevant content that would have shown up your twisted rant.
With cored solder the solder is applied simultaneously with the flux - not
after the flux has burned as you mischievously suggest.
I suggest you try to find a topic you know squat about to criticise!
ian field
"S'mee" <steven...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Well I guess I've been successfully soldering things (in a wide variety of
applications) for a bit longer than you then.
In most cases its as simple as choosing the right flux for the job.
Who Me?
"ian field" <gangprob...@ntlworld.com> wrote
> With cored solder the solder is applied simultaneously with the flux - not
> after the flux has burned as you mischievously suggest.
>
> I suggest you try to find a topic you know squat about to criticise!
You are the one that said flux burns.
I am the one that said if you do it RIGHT, it does NOT burn......regardless
of the source, paste or core or flowing in a machine.
Screw you. I have probably done and supervised more solder joints in my 40
year career than you have seen or imagined.
S'mee
and yet I'm STILL more mature and intelligent than you. I DO, I don't
need to explain.
--
Keith
S'mee
wrote:
> "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
agreed and acid flux is the WORST thing to use on electrical
applications.
--
Keith
R. LaCasse
<steven...@hotmail.com> wrote:
|>> Maybe I'll go rob a crack head for his butane lighter for all the
|>> use I would need it for on this crampy plastic application....
|>
|>You sure don't know what you are talking about that's for damn sure.
|>But hey do it the hard way, if that's what you want. I mean what would
|>I know, just because I've done if for a long damn time.
What CRACK?????...no shit heh!
ian field
I use what works - and keeps on working for many years afterward.
Michael Kennedy
> 12v/60w soldering iron to do local soldering repairs without going to the
> other fuel/chemical bonding methods for safety ????
>
> standard wall socket 120v/60w soldering iron and some 4AA batteries....
>
> So I was wondering what would happen if I used a 12volt SLA 8 amp
> battery, since the wall outlet is a about 90watts and the 12volt SLA
> battery
> is also some 96 watts although it drops quickly to an easy 11 volts
> because
> of a burned cell I'm guessing....
>
> The math is there but some other factor is missing, I can't see the
> power of a 12volt SLA battery to a mere 4 AAs ...........has anybody ever
> tried this with a regular soldering iron for outdoor use???
> Triad Productions-Fantalla恙EZine~ParaNovel
> National Association of Assault Research
> (http://tarbitch.balder.prohosting.com/htmlconc.html
I know many people have told the OP to get a Butane soldering iorn, but I
think the OP may be confused about one is. He probably thinks you mean a
pencil torch, not an actual butane soldering iorn with a tip and all.
Here is one
http://www.action-electronics.com/solderingirons.htm#Butane
Or an Electric solution a 12v soldering iorn
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=4067&doy=15m2&C=SO&U=strat15
These were just two random iorns I googled and have no expirence with either
of them. Anyhow your scooter battery should be sufficient to run this for a
while since its only a 30w iorn.
I thikn you were wanting to hack a 120v iorn to work on 12v. That would be
a bit difficult and wouldn't be worth your time. Maybe you have a AA
battery powered iorn. That could work, but I doubt it runs on 12v. Its
probably 6 or less.
Best of luck ot you.
Mike
ian field
"Michael Kennedy" <mike...@crap.comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Bob" <rk...@armageddon.info> wrote in message
> news:aia0p4187emllm0ia...@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> I wanna know if I can hot wire my scooter battery to a regular
>> 12v/60w soldering iron to do local soldering repairs without going to the
>> other fuel/chemical bonding methods for safety ????
>>
>> I know most soldering kits, you buy or build, usually require a
>> standard wall socket 120v/60w soldering iron and some 4AA batteries....
>>
>> So I was wondering what would happen if I used a 12volt SLA 8 amp
>> battery, since the wall outlet is a about 90watts and the 12volt SLA
>> battery
>> is also some 96 watts although it drops quickly to an easy 11 volts
>> because
>> of a burned cell I'm guessing....
>>
>> The math is there but some other factor is missing, I can't see the
>> power of a 12volt SLA battery to a mere 4 AAs ...........has anybody ever
>> tried this with a regular soldering iron for outdoor use???
>> --
>> Triad Productions-Fantalla恙EZine~ParaNovel
>> National Association of Assault Research
>> (http://tarbitch.balder.prohosting.com/htmlconc.html
>
>
>
> I know many people have told the OP to get a Butane soldering iorn, but I
> think the OP may be confused about one is. He probably thinks you mean a
> pencil torch, not an actual butane soldering iorn with a tip and all.
>
The confusion is entirely understandable as many pencil blowtorches come
with a soldering attachment and some butane soldering irons come with a
blowtorch fitting.
The soldering iron kits usually cost more than pencil blowtorches so I'd
hope they work better than the soldering attachment that came with the
pencil blowtorch I have.
S'mee
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> "Michael Kennedy" <mikek...@crap.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> > "Bob" <r...@armageddon.info> wrote in message
> >news:aia0p4187emllm0ia...@4ax.com...
>
> >> I wanna know if I can hot wire my scooter battery to a regular
> >> 12v/60w soldering iron to do local soldering repairs without going to the
> >> other fuel/chemical bonding methods for safety ????
>
> >> I know most soldering kits, you buy or build, usually require a
> >> standard wall socket 120v/60w soldering iron and some 4AA batteries....
>
> >> So I was wondering what would happen if I used a 12volt SLA 8 amp
> >> battery, since the wall outlet is a about 90watts and the 12volt SLA
> >> battery
> >> is also some 96 watts although it drops quickly to an easy 11 volts
> >> because
> >> of a burned cell I'm guessing....
>
> >> The math is there but some other factor is missing, I can't see the
> >> power of a 12volt SLA battery to a mere 4 AAs ...........has anybody ever
> >> tried this with a regular soldering iron for outdoor use???
> >> --
> >> National Association of Assault Research
> >> (http://tarbitch.balder.prohosting.com/htmlconc.html
>
> > I know many people have told the OP to get a Butane soldering iorn, but I
> > think the OP may be confused about one is. He probably thinks you mean a
> > pencil torch, not an actual butane soldering iorn with a tip and all.
>
> The confusion is entirely understandable as many pencil blowtorches come
> with a soldering attachment and some butane soldering irons come with a
> blowtorch fitting.
>
> The soldering iron kits usually cost more than pencil blowtorches so I'd
> hope they work better than the soldering attachment that came with the
> pencil blowtorch I have.
I can only offer one data point. I bought an Archer branded butane
soldering iron 20 years ago from Radio Shack. It still works fine, yes
you pay attention to where the exhaust is pointed...but like soldering
it is just a matter of paying attention to what is going on. <shrug> I
dunno, people have told me they don't work well but I just keep using
it and turning out decent work for what I do.
I am certain there are better ones available now.
--
keith
S'mee
Okay, I just go by what I was taught by a radio station engineer in
the 70's. He'd been doing it since the late 50's.
--
Keith
David Nebenzahl
> "S'mee" <steven...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5ea9f3b9-af65-4794...@o2g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
>
> agreed and acid flux is the WORST thing to use on electrical
> applications.
>
> I use what works - and keeps on working for many years afterward.
Remind me *never* to even consider having you make any electrical
repairs for me.
For chrissakes, everyone *knows* not to use acid-core solder for wiring
connections. The fact that we're even talking about it here is totally
ridiculous.
But don't take my word for it:
http://www.scienceprog.com/reliable-soldering-with-fluxes
They say "You should never use acid fluxes in electronic device
soldering and repair, as it will cause corrosion and even can
short-circuit device where gaps between tracks are small."
Sheesh.
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ian field
"David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
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I never said acid - that's you jumping to conclusions and getting it wrong.
David Nebenzahl
> "David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
> news:499877ad$0$2707$8226...@news.adtechcomputers.com...
>
>> For chrissakes, everyone *knows* not to use acid-core solder for wiring
>> connections. The fact that we're even talking about it here is totally
>> ridiculous.
>>
>> But don't take my word for it:
>> http://www.scienceprog.com/reliable-soldering-with-fluxes
>>
>> They say "You should never use acid fluxes in electronic device soldering
>> and repair, as it will cause corrosion and even can short-circuit device
>> where gaps between tracks are small."
>>
>> Sheesh.
>
> I never said acid - that's you jumping to conclusions and getting it wrong.
You said, and I quote:
> I keep a tub of active plumbers flux ready to hand.
That stuff is acid flux. Wrong flux for wiring.
paul c
...
> it is just a matter of paying attention to what is going on. <shrug> I
> dunno, people have told me they don't work well but I just keep using
> it and turning out decent work for what I do.
Maybe they're trying to solder with a butane torch that has no tip, as somebody here suggested. Often amazes me how two people can have such divergent interpretations of simple instructions, let alone news group posts! No doubt some of my friends are less than competent in general, but a couple of them have expressed disgust after trying to solder with both irons and torches - my theory is it's because the tips are filthy, they put too much solder on, too much or not enough flux, don't find a rest for their iron hand, don't secure or clean the joint beforehand, screwball application of heat, etc. Head and hand position is really important for me because of crappy eyesight - good welders know to always find a steady rest for their torch arm. I'm no expert, just solder occasionally, but even I know this stuff. The other thing I know is that when I make an obviously bad joint, I should do it again. Also, the name-brand butane torches such as Weller seem to have enough hea
t even for a #8 stranded wire. I guess the extremely portable butane torches have other uses besides soldering, say at the least starting a fire to keep you warm when you're stranded, maybe more mechanical uses too, not sure if I'd want to ignite some fuel to set a bead at the side of the road though.
For some strange reason, this all makes me wonder whether anybody still does brazing on motorcycle body parts. Like on some bicycle frames, if there is a good tight fit, it seems you can make a joint that will handle much more than its own weight, although I certainly wouldn't try to fix a broken side-stand without welding. I've done a little brazing with welders' tanks, but I see there are some small home brazing kits that come with some new-fangled gas whose name I forget, good for about twenty minutes, about a buck per minute in gas cost, comes in a yellow tank. Has anybody here used these for any motorcycle repair?
Michael Kennedy
"David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
> On 2/15/2009 12:36 PM ian field spake thus:
>
>> "David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
>> news:499877ad$0$2707$8226...@news.adtechcomputers.com...
>>
>>> For chrissakes, everyone *knows* not to use acid-core solder for wiring
>>> connections. The fact that we're even talking about it here is totally
>>> ridiculous.
>>>
>>> But don't take my word for it:
>>> http://www.scienceprog.com/reliable-soldering-with-fluxes
>>>
>>> They say "You should never use acid fluxes in electronic device
>>> soldering and repair, as it will cause corrosion and even can
>>> short-circuit device where gaps between tracks are small."
>>>
>>> Sheesh.
> >
>> I never said acid - that's you jumping to conclusions and getting it
>> wrong.
>
> You said, and I quote:
>
>> I keep a tub of active plumbers flux ready to hand.
>
> That stuff is acid flux. Wrong flux for wiring.
>
>
> --
He means for shitty 20 year old automotive or marine wire thats got so much
corrosion on it you can't brush it up. I've seen wire like this plenty of
times and rosin core flux won't touch it. I usually use cripms on this kind
of job, but acid flux also works.
ian field
Actually I doubt the plumbers flux I use is acid.
UK building regulations are also affected by the dreaded RoHS so things like
corrosive fluxes aren't allowed any more. It was some years ago that
building suppliers stopped stocking Fry Fluxite (zinc chloride) I still find
uses for this flux in certain jobs and finally found a power tool supplier
that could order it..
David Nebenzahl
> "Michael Kennedy" <mike...@crap.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:QIednQMtyvWs6QTU...@giganews.com...
>>
>> "David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
>> news:49989018$0$2718$8226...@news.adtechcomputers.com...
>>> On 2/15/2009 12:36 PM ian field spake thus:
>>>
>>>> "David Nebenzahl" <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
>>>> news:499877ad$0$2707$8226...@news.adtechcomputers.com...
>>>>
>>>>> For chrissakes, everyone *knows* not to use acid-core solder for wiring
>>>>> connections. The fact that we're even talking about it here is totally
>>>>> ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>> But don't take my word for it:
>>>>> http://www.scienceprog.com/reliable-soldering-with-fluxes
>>>>>
>>>>> They say "You should never use acid fluxes in electronic device
>>>>> soldering and repair, as it will cause corrosion and even can
>>>>> short-circuit device where gaps between tracks are small."
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheesh.
>>> >
>>>> I never said acid - that's you jumping to conclusions and getting it
>>>> wrong.
>>>
>>> You said, and I quote:
>>>
>>>> I keep a tub of active plumbers flux ready to hand.
>>>
>>> That stuff is acid flux. Wrong flux for wiring.
>>
>> He means for shitty 20 year old automotive or marine wire thats got so
>> much corrosion on it you can't brush it up. I've seen wire like this
>> plenty of times and rosin core flux won't touch it. I usually use cripms
>> on this kind of job, but acid flux also works.
>
> Actually I doubt the plumbers flux I use is acid.
So you actually don't know what is or isn't in it. (I don't either.)
Might be worthwhile rooting around to try to find its contents (either
online, in a MSDS or from a supplier). My guess is that it is, in fact,
an acid flux.
> UK building regulations are also affected by the dreaded RoHS so
> things like corrosive fluxes aren't allowed any more. It was some
> years ago that building suppliers stopped stocking Fry Fluxite (zinc
> chloride) I still find uses for this flux in certain jobs and finally
> found a power tool supplier that could order it..
I think you misunderstand RoHS and other regs; they don't seek to ban
anything corrosive, just regulate substances that are hazardous. I
seriously doubt that acid fluxes have been banned outright, or that they
ever will.
Paul aka Sporty
"ian field" <gangprob...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:Cd%kl.53463$%t5.4...@newsfe16.ams2...
Capillary action will pull acid up the insulation when heated and down the
road the joint will fail.
46 years of soldering and still learning new "Tricks".
S'mee
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:56:56 -0800 (PST), "S'mee"
>
>
> |>> Maybe I'll go rob a crack head for his butane lighter for all the
> |>> use I would need it for on this crampy plastic application....
> |>
> |>You sure don't know what you are talking about that's for damn sure.
> |>But hey do it the hard way, if that's what you want. I mean what would
> |>I know, just because I've done if for a long damn time.
>
> What CRACK?????...no shit heh!
What ever, I was just trying help. But hey, do what you want...it
ain't my wiring. I either clean it and solder or crimp.
--
Keith
.
drunkenly slurred:
> What ever (snip)
Nothing to see here folks, just a *stupid* thread that's gone on so
long it's attracted bottom feeders like Keith.
Move along, move along.
S'mee
Hmm, this coming from a liar, psychopath and all around idiot? High
compliments indeed. Tell me oh font of arcane knowledge how could a
reject, racist, liar, idot, pursuer of under age mexicans and all
around lonely, unemployed loser with no family possibly know anything
about what I do or do not do? Hmm...then again you are an internet
stalker who mines other peoples info. Much as you've attempted to do
to me and use like the sick bastard you are.
Funny thing Krusty...it doesn't scare me. Nothing you could do scares
me. Lie all you want...nobody believes you. You to can be found just
like everyone else.
For that matter you've contributed NOTHING to this thread...as usual
for a loser of your high caliber.
--
Keith
.
over from last night's drunken debauchery, scribbled:
> Hmm, this (snip)
Nothing to see here folks. Just some typical sea gull crap.
Move along, move along.
S'mee
Ah...still scared of me I see. Trying to push everyone away...too late
the world left you behind goober. Now take your inbred white trash act
somewhere else like antarctica.
--
Keith
Peter Hucker
> In article <rph7p4lvl6q6drp84...@4ax.com>,
> R. LaCasse <sco...@yamaha.info> wrote:
>> |>Why bother? Buy a butane powered soldering iron and be done with it.
>
>> Sounds good, if you plan on burning all the plastic around the
>> soldering area I'm considering with wind included...pretty messy
>> sometimes..
>
> Wind is a problem with an electric soldering iron too.
How so?
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> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:16:25 -0000, Dave Plowman (News) <d...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > Wind is a problem with an electric soldering iron too.
>
> How so?
Next time you two clowns have a thought, just let it go, m'kay?
Peter Hucker
I see you don't know the answer.
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PHucker is a well known troll who bullshits in groups on topics he knows
absolutely nothing about - he's already been laughed out of all the
sci.electronics groups for spouting BS to guys who design chips and
aerospace gear - his "home haunt" is alt.binaries.chatter .
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He's busy making a fool of himself in a thread crossposted to the
news:rec.crafts.metalworking newsgroup, too.
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> He's busy making a fool of himself in a thread crossposted to the
> news:rec.crafts.metalworking newsgroup, too.
He and Krusty are well suited as a team, then.
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Schiffner
wrote:
> In article <rph7p4lvl6q6drp84vk0nmb2dkpl0ek...@4ax.com>,
> R. LaCasse <scoo...@yamaha.info> wrote:
>
> > |>Why bother? Buy a butane powered soldering iron and be done with it.
> > Sounds good, if you plan on burning all the plastic around the
> > soldering area I'm considering with wind included...pretty messy
> > sometimes..
>
Only on cold days...cold being UNDER 35F. Well that's my definition,
what would I know I've installed AC compressor units when it was 25F.
Getting the torch lit was the hardest part as the winds were a good
bit over 25mph that day. 8^(
Electric soldering irons shouldn't be bothered on windy days unless
it's damn cold.
--
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ian field
"Schiffner" <steven...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Temperature controlled soldering irons should cope unless its *BLOODY* cold,
the cheaper ones with no thermostat are regulated (of sorts) by a positive
temperature coefficient in the resistance wire the element is wound with. As
the element heats up it's resistance increases so the current draw levels
off, conversely if its cooled the resistance reduces increasing the current
draw.
GMAN
>On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:31:00 -0000, . <macm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 22, 10:46 am, "Peter Hucker" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:16:25 -0000, Dave Plowman (News)
> <d...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> > Wind is a problem with an electric soldering iron too.
>>>
>>> How so?
>>
>> Next time you two clowns have a thought, just let it go, m'kay?
>
>I see you don't know the answer.
>
Peter Hucker
Only a piddly 18W Antex. Temp-controlled ones don't have wind problems.
Why are they called buildings, when they're already finished? Shouldn't they be called builts?
ian field
"Peter Hucker" <no...@spam.com> wrote in message news:op.upxdzypv4buhsv@i7...
> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:49:08 -0000, GMAN <glen_za...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> In article <op.uprp2seq4buhsv@i7>, "Peter Hucker" <no...@spam.com> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:31:00 -0000, . <macm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 22, 10:46 am, "Peter Hucker" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:16:25 -0000, Dave Plowman (News)
>>> <d...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > Wind is a problem with an electric soldering iron too.
>>>>>
>>>>> How so?
>>>>
>>>> Next time you two clowns have a thought, just let it go, m'kay?
>>>
>>>I see you don't know the answer.
>>>
>> Wind cools the tip??? m-kay!
>
> Only a piddly 18W Antex. Temp-controlled ones don't have wind problems.
>
PHucker has a hot air problem!
Bob
|>On Feb 12, 3:48 am, R. LaCasse <scoo...@yamaha.info> wrote:
|>
|>> The garage door RF interferes with the Crankshaft position sensor,
|>> the ISC, and other air intake sensors, judging by were it stalls on the RF
|>> CROSSING..........
|>
|>I doubt that garage door RF affects *anything* that is grounded to the
|>engine block.
|>
|>But you could cover the wires going to the sensor with aluminum foil
|>and attach the aluminum foil to the engine block and see what happens.
|>
|>If that solves the problem, buy youself some wire mesh shielding from
|>an electronic supply company and slide it over the affected cable.
|>
|>The wire mesh can probably be expanded to side over most small
|>electrical connectors.
The ECU may not be grounded since some mechanics said it could be
some digital speedo cable rubbing on the ECU....they were wrong on the
diagnosis, but it could be the ECU is not grounded.....
Yamaha couldn't give a HOOT, and most "DOT" Transport Canada types,
don't cover M/Cycles my Yamaha dealer is not replying to any of all my
emails, and is probably lurking in the background to see if Yamaha Canada is
going to consider a new ECU.....
They (Yamaha Canada) denied any problems with the Yamaha Majesty
2005 yp400t model's ECU. when there is tons of evidence in all the links I
sent, and tons more on the net.....they say the problem dos not exist on
their DBase.......shrewed heh...
The problem can be addressed by adjusting the *gas output volume*,
so the *air cut_off valve* doesn't draw from the motor's clean air to feed
the friggin "negative" exhaust gas pressure....removing the catalytic
converter in the muffler, will only lower the pressure and make it worse...
I don't know if adjusting the *gas output volume* will write to
memory/eeprom or reset after a battery disconnect ....like the clock for
instance.....but it's doable from the display panel, according to the
service manual....
There are also a few inline selective gadgets available for some
$100 that do that, but I'd hate to outright compromise my warranty....
The big thing here, is the ECU's 1500rpm quartz controlled base, it
can't be changed without technical remapping/coding, for some strange
reason..
I swear any Single Cylinder 4 Stroke, needs a good 1600rpms to IDLE
properly and reliably.......some need even more.
All the fixes for this problem especially in the USA and Australia,
were a New ECU, but Yamaha/Toyota M/cycle Canada denies this fact....they
are loosing money, and denying that too, but making gobs of money is sure
supremely high on their agenda....customer consideration is not a factor for
them....
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The Older Gentleman
> I swear any Single Cylinder 4 Stroke, needs a good 1600rpms to IDLE
> properly and reliably.......some need even more.
You are talking utter rubbish. Take your grudge match elsewhere because
nobody's interested here.
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manual, a 'can-do' attitude and a cheap set of tools
Bob
Older Gentleman) wrote:
|>Bob <rk...@armageddon.info> wrote:
|>
|>> I swear any Single Cylinder 4 Stroke, needs a good 1600rpms to IDLE
|>> properly and reliably.......some need even more.
|>
|>You are talking utter rubbish. Take your grudge match elsewhere because
|>nobody's interested here.
What's uttah rubbish, you blighties can be real tossas when your not
wanking......
Don't appoint yourself as a usenet NG dictator till you pay your
bills to the fuhrer of lloyds of london....which at last glance were well
over 400 trillion pounds below BEP....
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The Older Gentleman
> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:06:25 +0000, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk (The
> Older Gentleman) wrote:
>
> |>Bob <rk...@armageddon.info> wrote:
> |>
> |>> I swear any Single Cylinder 4 Stroke, needs a good 1600rpms to IDLE
> |>> properly and reliably.......some need even more.
> |>
> |>You are talking utter rubbish. Take your grudge match elsewhere because
> |>nobody's interested here.
>
> What's uttah rubbish, you blighties can be real tossas when your not
> wanking......
>
> Don't appoint yourself as a usenet NG dictator till you pay your
> bills to the fuhrer of lloyds of london....which at last glance were well
> over 400 trillion pounds below BEP....
If this illiterate diatribe is the sort of thing you sent to Yamaha, no
wonder they ignored you.
I bet you wrote in purple crayon, as well.
As for ng dictator - what has that got to do with you telling the world
that all singles won't tick over at less than 1600rpm? That was, and
remains, rubbish.
Schiffner
Gentleman) wrote:
> Bob <r...@armageddon.info> wrote:
> > I swear any Single Cylinder 4 Stroke, needs a good 1600rpms to IDLE
> > properly and reliably.......some need even more.
>
> You are talking utter rubbish. Take your grudge match elsewhere because
> nobody's interested here.
yeah and he's full of it about single cyl idle rpm. Utter crap aamof.
--
Keith
Schiffner
> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:06:25 +0000, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The
>
> Older Gentleman) wrote:
> |>Bob <r...@armageddon.info> wrote:
>
> |>
> |>> I swear any Single Cylinder 4 Stroke, needs a good 1600rpms to IDLE
> |>> properly and reliably.......some need even more.
> |>
> |>You are talking utter rubbish. Take your grudge match elsewhere because
> |>nobody's interested here.
>
> What's uttah rubbish, you blighties can be real tossas when your not
> wanking......
>
> Don't appoint yourself as a usenet NG dictator till you pay your
> bills to the fuhrer of lloyds of london....which at last glance were well
> over 400 trillion pounds below BEP....
> --
So? He's right and you are full of shit mostly. I've two thumpres that
idle at less than 1,300rpm. Ergo your full of it. For that matter I'm
sure there are single 4stroks of UNDER 25cc that Idle around 1,100rpm.
Naturally you'll say it is a lie...wont you francis.
--
Keith
Schiffner
SNIP
> I swear any Single Cylinder 4 Stroke, needs a good 1600rpms to IDLE
> properly and reliably.......some need even more.
>
Utterly untrue adn it's a load of fetid dingos kidneys also.
--
Keith
Mac
> You are talking utter rubbish. Take your grudge match elsewhere because
> nobody's interested here.
Except you. Your life's work is following endless inane threads.
Mac
> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:06:25 +0000, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (Piggy) wrote: (snip)
> Don't appoint yourself as a usenet NG dictator till you pay your
> bills to the fuhrer of lloyds of london....which at last glance were well
> over 400 trillion pounds below BEP....
Too late, Piggy seized power in this NG ten years ago and defends it
with a sharp-tongued wit.
Mac
incoherently:
> Utter crap aamof.
I hope Piggy doesn't damage your delicate tissues which his sharp-
pointed tongue...
Here's some zoophilic porn to excite you:
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Bob
<steven...@hotmail.com> wrote:
|>
|>So? He's right and you are full of shit mostly. I've two thumpres that
|>idle at less than 1,300rpm. Ergo your full of it. For that matter I'm
|>sure there are single 4stroks of UNDER 25cc that Idle around 1,100rpm.
|>Naturally you'll say it is a lie...wont you francis.
Yamaha yp400ts only idle at 1300/1500rpms and that can get iffy in
4stroke single..
Let's say a Vino 125cc needs 1500cc and 1650ccs when broken in, look
it up it's on google somewhere just like all the stuff I said and you
denied...
Bob
<steven...@hotmail.com> wrote:
|>> I swear any Single Cylinder 4 Stroke, needs a good 1600rpms to IDLE
|>> properly and reliably.......some need even more.
|>>
|>
|>
|>Utterly untrue adn it's a load of fetid dingos kidneys also
Ya got a real mouth for a keyboard......limy!
Bob
Older Gentleman) wrote:
|>I bet you wrote in purple crayon, as well.
|>
|>As for ng dictator - what has that got to do with you telling the world
|>that all singles won't tick over at less than 1600rpm? That was, and
|>remains, rubbish.
The yamaha yp400 majesty runs better at 1600rpm, or 12 gram rollers,
or the stuff I pointed out in my 1st post......I have one for 4 years, I
know more about it than most...
You seem to know very little about single 4 strokes, you might as
well give into hardley abelson technology cdi without the TSR spark timer to
synchronize the sparkplugs individually....
I know, you don't understand that, so it's rubbish right....
Bob
I was here 10 years before that.......so what....this is not about
fanning your tail feathers, this is a bout getting the facts right about
scooters....
If you don't remember, I been driving them for 30 years, I do my own
work when I have the room!
Bob
So you still denying ALL of this like Piggy....fine:
GOOGLE SEARCH
Yamaha Majesty ECU 400 yp400** stalling:
http://majestyusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=758&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=stall&start=15
http://www.maxi-scoots.com/postnuke/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=67998
http://majestyusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=24682&sid=c0e70e3df7753fe0c0673f8a70e5fd57
http://www.allworldauto.com/comments/yamaha_majesty_comments_and_complaints_109-35494-1.html
NOT so much this version of the Stalling problem:
http://justscoot.blogspot.com/2008/04/yamaha-safety-recalls-morphous-majesty
.
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Bob
<steven...@hotmail.com> wrote:
|>> Don't appoint yourself as a usenet NG dictator till you pay your
|>> bills to the fuhrer of lloyds of london....which at last glance were well
|>> over 400 trillion pounds below BEP....
|>> --
|>
|>
|>So? He's right and you are full of shit mostly. I've two thumpres that
|>idle at less than 1,300rpm. Ergo your full of it. For that matter I'm
|>sure there are single 4stroks of UNDER 25cc that Idle around 1,100rpm.
|>Naturally you'll say it is a lie...wont you francis.
Thumper majesty 400 less than 1,300rpm, it's not in the quartz timed
ECU...or the tach reading is wrong......try again...
I'm talking about reliably....infalibly under ALL RF interferences,
mine seems to have the same problem as most when it was resolved 2 years
ago...
Bob
Older Gentleman) wrote:
|>If this illiterate diatribe is the sort of thing you sent to Yamaha, no
|>wonder they ignored you.
|>
It ain't...
|>I bet you wrote in purple crayon, as well.
|>
No......just B&W recycled electrons....
|>As for ng dictator - what has that got to do with you telling the world
|>that all singles won't tick over at less than 1600rpm? That was, and
|>remains, rubbish.
Well I was referring to the Yamaha Majesty, my Honda Elite ch250
likes it best like that too, especially in hot dusty or rainy summer
days....somtimes the -10C with -20c dewpoint affects it too....
I mean reliable as in infallible, it still stalls at the garage door
RF beam crossing, then the guillotine door comes down....
Is this a concern, it is if you just jump started a 10 volt battery
and aren;t too sure if it's gonna start on 5 minutes of idling....it usually
does, but it chokes on unshielded HOT RF places only.....
Bob
<steven...@hotmail.com> wrote:
|>
|>So? He's right and you are full of shit mostly. I've two thumpres that
|>idle at less than 1,300rpm. Ergo your full of it. For that matter I'm
What year of yp400T? V? X?, mines a 2005, and idles as bad as the
2003 skyliner 400, same bike same problem, but they said they counter
weighted with a new crankshaft after the Yamy 2004 Twin generated strange
error codes at the time...
|>sure there are single 4stroks of UNDER 25cc that Idle around 1,100rpm.
|>Naturally you'll say it is a lie...wont you francis.
Single 4stroks of UNDER 25cc that Idle around 1,100rpm, SCOOTERS???.
if the motor is used in an inverter for instance, then it can idle at
800rpms, but a lawn mower will stall at 800rpms....
The Older Gentleman
> |>I bet you wrote in purple crayon, as well.
> |>
> |>As for ng dictator - what has that got to do with you telling the world
> |>that all singles won't tick over at less than 1600rpm? That was, and
> |>remains, rubbish.
>
> The yamaha yp400 majesty runs better at 1600rpm,
Oh, great, yeah. That's *one* four-stroke single out of however many
thousands designed. You said *all*, remember?
> or 12 gram rollers,
> or the stuff I pointed out in my 1st post......I have one for 4 years, I
> know more about it than most...
>
> You seem to know very little about single 4 strokes,
You'd be surprised. But carry on digging your hole.