THE CREATION OF SENSELESS VIOLENCE: PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS AND KIDS WHO KILL
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THE CREATION OF SENSELESS VIOLENCE PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS
AND KIDS WHO KILL
The rise in gratuitous and senseless violence is a disturbing recent
addition to the community landscape. Psychiatrists have tried to sell
us on all the wrong reasons for this_everything from a person's mental
illness, poverty and broken families to genetic makeup; however, the
fact missed by most is that psychiatric drugs, on an ever increasing
rise in society and amongst school children, are actually creating
acts of violence. The rise in senseless violence in America is date
coincident with the increased use of mind-altering drugs.
How many times must history repeat itself before we start looking for
the common factors present in case after case of brutal and violent
acts? In the recent cases where children have become murderous, one
must ask the question, even if children have access to guns or the
means to make bombs, what is it that is making them pull the trigger?
What twists a child so that he would kill his classmates, friends or
even people that he loves? What could possibly push children over the
edge to a point where their acts are unrecognizable even by those who
know them?
Consider the following:
In the U.S. alone, approximately 4 million children are currently on
the psychiatric drug Ritalin, a drug which the Drug Enforcement Agency
(DEA) places in the same category (a schedule ll drug) as opium,
morphine and cocaine.
Psychotic episodes and violent behavior are associated with chronic
Ritalin abuse. Ritalin is the amphetamine-like drug widely prescribed
to children for the contrived mental disease, "Attention Deficit
Hyperactivity Disorder" (ADHD). Even Ritalin's manufacturer warns that
"frank psychotic episodes can occur" with abusive use. And even the
American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual
of Mental Disorders lists the major complication of Ritalin withdrawal
is suicide.
In the U.S. today, over 909,000 children and adolescents between the
ages six and eighteen are on psychiatric antidepressant drugs.
Between 1988 and 1992, in just four years, there were reports of over
90 children and adolescents who had suffered suicidal or violent self-
destructive behavior while on the newer antidepressant, Prozac, an
SSRI (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor.) The Food and Drug
Administration's own Adverse Drug Reaction reports reveal that a 12-
year-old suffered hostility, confusion, was violent and became "glassy-
eyed" on the drug; an 18-year-old was hospitalized after being on the
drug for 270 days and had reportedly sexually assaulted and stabbed a
store clerk; one 16-year-old who had been on Prozac for 50 days,
reported hostility, psychotic depression and hallucinations when there
had been no prior psychiatric history.
Since the 1960s, the use of these drugs has been on a massive
increase, especially since the introduction of Community Mental Health
Centers (CMHCs). The following are just a small sample of studies
showing the violence-inducing nature of these powerful mind-altering
drugs:
PSYCHIATRIC DRUG STUDIES
The New York Post reported on January 31, 1999, that they had obtained
documents (through Freedom of Information Law) that the New York
Psychiatric Institute was testing Prozac on 6-year-olds. The documents
obtained by the Post showed that under these drug trials the
psychiatric researchers own documents noted that "Some patients have
been reported to have an increase in suicidal thoughts and/or violent
behavior." Another side effect--wild manic episodes--was also
acknowledged in the researchers' records.
A 1995 Nordic conference reported that the new antidepressant drugs,
in particular, have a stimulating amphetamine-like effect and
consumers of these drugs can become "aggressive" or "suffer
hallucinations and/or suicidal thoughts."
1998 British report said that at least five percent of patients taking
SSRI's (an antidepressant) suffered "commonly recognized" side effects
which includes agitation, anxiety and nervousness. Other regularly
reported effects include confusion, abnormal dreaming and nightmares.
Around five percent of the reports also indicate aggression,
hallucinations, malaise and depersonalization. SSRIs "can cause a
broad spectrum of psychiatric and neurological side effects, resulting
in over-stimulation in some cases and sedation in others," the report
stated.
In 1995, nine Australian psychiatrists urged SSRIs be sold with a
warning after patients had slashed themselves or became preoccupied
with violence when taking them. "I didn't want to die, I just felt
like tearing my flesh to pieces," one patient told them. Another said,
"I got my cane cutters' knife in my right hand and wanted to cut my
left hand off at the wrist." The self destructive harm started after
the treatment began or doses increased and eased, or ceased when the
drugs were stopped.
One Canadian research team which studied the effects of psychiatric
drugs on prisoners found that "violent, aggressive incidents occurred
significantly more frequently in inmates who were on psychotropic
(psychiatric or mind altering) medication than when these inmates were
not on psychotropic drugs" Inmates on major tranquilizers were shown
to be more than twice as violent as they were when not taking
psychiatric drugs. (emphasis added).
A paper published in The American Journal of Psychiatry in 1964 found
that major tranquilizers ( Thorazine, Haldol, Mellaril etc.) can
"produce an acute psychotic reaction in an individual not previously
psychotic (emphasis added).
In 1970 a textbook on the side effects of psychiatric drugs pointed
out the potential for violence from these drugs stating, "Indeed, even
acts of violence such as murder and suicide have been attributed to
the rage reactions induced by chlordiazepoxide (Librium) and diazepam
(Valium)."
Valium was later replaced by Xanax as the most widely prescribed minor
tranquilizer. But the leopard did not change its spots. According to a
1984 study of Xanax, "Extreme anger and hostile behavior emerged from
eight of the first 80 patients we treated with alprazolam (Xanax).
And a 1985 investigation into Xanax, reported in the American Journal
of Psychiatry, claimed that more than half (58 percent) of the treated
patients experienced serious "dyscontrol", i.e. violence and loss of
control compared with only eight percent who were given a placebo.
A 1975 paper described a negative effect from the major tranquilizers
called "akathisia" (from the Greek a - meaning "without" or "not" and
akathisia meaning "sitting".) Akathisia is a drug-induced insanity
which was first recognized as an inability of people taking the drugs
to sit still comfortably.
In his paper, "The Many Faces of Akathisia," researcher Theodore Van
Putten reported nearly half of the 110 persons in the study had
experienced akathisia. He described what happened to these people
after taking the drugs. One woman started to bang her head against the
wall three days after an injection of a major tranquilizer.
Another, who had been given these drugs for five days experienced "an
upsurge in hallucinations, screaming, even more bizarre thinking,
aggressive and also self- destructive outbursts, and agitated pacing
or dancing." While still another stated that while on the drug she
felt hostile and hated everybody and heard voices taunting her.
In 1986, a study published in the American Journal of Psychiatry found
that patients taking the drug Elavil, an antidepressant, "... appeared
progressively more hostile, irritable, and behaviorally impulsive....
The increase in demanding behavior and assaultive acts was
statistically significant."
A study of children taking Elavil published in Psychosomatics in 1980
found that some grew hysterical or hostile. One of the kids began
"exhibiting excessive irritability and anger, pacing excessively and
declaring that he was not afraid anymore, that he was 'not chicken
anymore.' "
A 1988 study documented the tendency of the major tranquilizer Haldol
to increase hostile and violent behavior. According to the study, many
persons who had no history of violence prior to being placed on the
drug "were significantly more violent on haloperidol (Haldol)". In
this study, the researchers attributedthe marked increase in violence
to akathisia.
A report published in The Journal of the American Medical Association
exemplified the agitation which can accompany akathisia. Describing a
man who had started taking Haldol four days previously, the researcher
noted that the man "...became uncontrollably agitated, could not sit
still, and paced for several hours."
After complaining of violent urges to assault anyone near him, the man
assaulted and tried to kill his dog.
Another article published in the American Journal of Forensic
Psychiatry in 1985 described five cases of "extreme acts of physical
violence" due to akathisia caused by Haldol. These cases included acts
of extreme, senseless, bizarre and brutal violence.
In more than 400 cases of violent crime reviewed by CCHR, it was found
that most mass murderers had been under psychiatric care before the
crime was committed. Many of the mass killers were found to have no
previous pattern of violent behavior prior to being treated --
especially with drugs -- by psychiatrists.
But even more startling, is that normal children are becoming
murderers, with the aide of psychiatric drugs, treatments and
programs.
THE FOLLOWING ARE BUT A FEW EXAMPLES:
On May 20, 1988, Laurie Dann walked into a Winnetka, Illinois second
grade classroom carrying three pistols and began shooting innocent
little children, killing one and wounding five others before killing
herself.
Subsequent blood tests revealed that at the time of the killings, Dann
was on a psychiatric drug of a class clearly shown to cause
unexplained hostile and violent behavior.
On September 26, 1988, 19-year-old James Wilson took a .22 caliber
revolver into an elementary school in Greenwood, South Carolina and
started shooting schoolchildren, killing two 8-year-old girls and
wounding seven other children and two teachers. Wilson had been in and
out of the hands of psychiatrists for years and within 8 months of the
killings he had been on several psychiatric drugs which can generate
violent behavior. Since the age of 14, he had been given psychiatric
drugs, including Xanax, Valium, Thorazine and Haldol.
On January 17, 1989, Patrick Purdy opened fire on a school yard full
of young children in Stockton, California. During his vicious and
unprovoked assault, Purdy killed five school children and wounded 30
others. Purdy then killed himself. During the two years prior to the
murders of the Stockton children, Purdy had been on two strong
psychiatric drugs of categories known to cause violence.
On May 21, 1998 14-year-old Kip Kinkel shot and killed his parents and
then went a wild shooting spree at his Springfield, Oregon high school
that left two dead and 22 injured. He was reportedly taking Prozac and
Ritalin and had been attending "anger management" classes.
On November 20, 1986: 14-year-old Rod Mathews beat a classmate to
death with a bat in the woods near his home in Canton, Mass. He had
been prescribed Ritalin since the third grade.
16-year-old Brian Pruitt, who fatally stabbed his grandparents in
1995, had a history of psychiatric treatment and had been prescribed
psychiatric drugs.
And in 1997 16-year old Sam Manzie raped and strangled another boy to
death. He was under psychiatric "care" and was being "medicated".
Psychiatric drugs can cause violence; they can kill. These are facts
that psychiatrists and the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill
(NAMI) are not comfortable with. Psychiatrists for obvious reasons--
they could and should be held liable for a crime committed by their
drugged out patients -- and NAMI because it "is awash in money from
drug companies" -- $3.2 million per year from nine such companies --
that manufacturer these often crippling drugs.
Horror stories all. On the surface, the idea of tranquilizers or anti-
depressants creating hostility and violence may not make sense. After
all, they are supposed to make people calm and quiet. But the reality
is that they can and do create this effect. The scientific evidence is
overwhelming. The studies documenting this connection go back to the
1960s when we begin to see a rise of senseless violence.
A LITTLE KNOWN FACT: WITHDRAWAL FROM PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS
TURN PEOPLE HORRIFICALLY VIOLENT
The fact that these drugs are a recipe for violence is obscured
because frequently after a violent crime has been committed,
psychiatrists or their allied organizations such as the pharmaceutical
company-funded National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (NAMI), blame
the offending person's violent behavior on his failure to continue his
medication, but the truth is that violence is a documented side-effect
of withdrawal from psychiatric drugs.
In 1995, a Danish medical study reported the following withdrawal
symptoms from psychotropic drug dependence: "Emotional changes: Fear,
terror, panic, fear of insanity, failing self-confidence,
restlessness, irritability, aggression, an urge to destroy and, in the
worst cases, an urge to kill." (emphasis added)
In 1996, the National Preferred Medicines Center Inc., comprising of
physicians in New Zealand, issued a report on "Acute drug withdrawal,"
saying that withdrawal from psychoactive drugs can cause 1) rebound
effects that exacerbate previous symptoms of a "disease," and 2) new
symptoms unrelated to the condition that had not been previously
experienced by the patient. The SSRIs (Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, and
others) can create "agitation, severe depression, hallucinations and
aggressiveness."
Janet, a teenager who was prescribed minor tranquilizers and
antidepressants said that while withdrawing from these drugs, she had
violent thoughts and had to restrain her aggressiveness, including
wanting to stab anyone who withheld the decreasing drug dosage from
her: "I had absolutely no history of violence. These new feelings were
not part of the so-called 'mental illness' I was suppose to have; I
had never been aggressive before being prescribed the drugs. And once
safely and gradually withdrawn from them, never experienced
uncontrollable violent urges again."
Even the American Psychiatric Association euphemistically admits in
their Diagnostic and Statistical Manual that the major "complication"
of withdrawal from Ritalin, a psychiatric drug currently being
administered to millions, is suicide.
Withdrawal effects from these drugs can be severe and take intense
medical supervision to ensure the person safely detoxes, as an
example:
Stevie Nicks, of the rock group Fleetwood Mac talks about the intense
difficulty of detoxing from psychiatric drugs: "I'm the one who
realized that that's what was killing me [the psychiatric drug,
Klonopin]." It took her 45 days to withdrawal from the Klonopin, "I
was in there sick for 45 days, really, really sick. And I watched
generations of drug addicts come in and go out. You know, the heroin
people, 12 days...and they're gone. And I'm still just there."
There is no question that psychiatric drugs create violence. When you
marry these poisons with the toxic psychological programs in schools
today which destroy the concept of right and wrong you have a recipe
for disaster.
PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS AND PSYCHOLOGICALLY-BASED SCHOOL PROGRAMS:
A RECIPE FOR DISASTER
Today, we are witnessing an epidemic of children being prescribed a
plethora of psychiatric drugs which have devastating side-effects,
especially the newer antidepressants such as Prozac, Zoloft and Paxil.
In addition, billions of tax dollars have been spent on Outcome Based
Education (OBE) - psychological programs designed to de-emphasize
academics, and instead focus on altering "behavior".
These programs are cloaked under various magnanimous sounding names
such as "self-esteem training," "values clarification," "conflict
resolution," "moral reasoning" or "death education" to name a few. The
truth is that these psychological based programs have in fact raped
the minds of schoolchildren, leaving them mentally hazy, without a
concept of what is right or wrong. None of these programs are any more
than mental techniques designed to modify behavior--or more bluntly,
alter beliefs.
The violence we are witnessing in our schools and with our children is
being created and we must look at the impact of behavior modification
classes and psychiatric drugs on the increasing violent crime rate
among children.
In 1991, despite objections from many parents about OBE, school
officials in Jefferson County Colorado adopted the Outcome-Based
Education programs. However, "OBE" had become a bad name, and
consequently Jefferson County school officials asked OBE guru William
Spady not to use the term "outcome-based education" in billings for
teacher training seminars, but rather list it as "teachers classroom
practices."
So what is Outcome Based Education?
If there was ever an example of tyranny over the minds of children, it
is what is being given to them in the name of education and "help"
today, through thoroughly deceptive behaviorist tactics like Values
Clarification. Through OBE, children and teenagers are manipulated and
molded with the purpose of bringing about certain desired "outcomes."
This process, in part, involves breaking down and subtly invalidating
the child's already acquired values--and replacing them with the idea
that there is no set right or wrong, only personal opinion. For the
child the result can be, minimally, confusion and disorientation.
According to William Kilpatrick, author of Why Johnny Can't Tell Right
From Wrong, "feelings, personal growth, and a totally non-judgemental
attitude" are emphasized. However, "...no time is spent providing
moral guidance or forming character. The virtues are not explained or
discussed, no models of good behavior are provided, no reason why a
boy or a girl should want to be good in the first place.... They come
away with the impression that even the most basic values are matters
of dispute." In fact, the authors of the original 1966 text on Values
Clarification stated, "It is entirely possible that children will
choose not to develop values. It is the teacher's responsibility to
support this choice also."
In 1995, former Values Clarification adherent, Dr. William Coulson,
Ph.D., stated, "...one of the effects of self-esteem Values
Clarification [OBE] programs is that you are no longer obliged to tell
the truth if you don't feel like it. You don't have to tell the truth
because if the truth you tell is about your own failure then your self-
esteem will go down and that is unthinkable."
Another OBE program, Death Education, further damaged children by
forcing them to focus on their own mortality: One student related the
following story: "We had an English course in seventh grade junior
high whose title was 'Death Education.' In the manual, 73 out of 80
stories had to do with death, dying, killing, murder, suicide, and
what you wanted on your tombstone. One of the girls, a ninth grader,
blew her brains out after having written a note on her front door that
said what she wanted on her tombstone."
A class of sixth graders were asked to play a "survival game" in which
they were to decide which three people they should eliminate from the
group, according to their age and contribution; in another class they
were asked to write their own epitaphs or obituaries.
Tom DeWesse of the American Policy Foundation, and an expert on the
subject of OBE, told a Washington, D.C. press conference in 1995,
about a 9-year-old boy who "...told his mother that he ranked
lumberjacks in the same class as murderers and bigots after a Values
Clarification class. These psychologically-bassed programs are harming
children.... OBE is not education, it's mind control from womb to
tomb."
Beverly Eakman, author and executive director of the National
Education Consortium, describes the impact of psychiatry and
psychology on schools: "Psychiatry's and Psychology's clear and stated
agenda has been to jettison systematic, academic, knowledge-based
curricula in favor of psychological fare.... Then it got worse. What
information youngsters did learn was actually harmful.
Perhaps one need only look to the initial stages of behavioral
"education" to fully understand our school systems and society today.
G. Brock Chisholm, co-founder of the World Federation for Mental
Health, set the stage for what would later come to be known as Outcome
Based Education when he stated "If the race is to be freed from its
crippling burden of good and evil it must be psychiatrists who take
the original responsibility."
Psychiatrist Chester M. Pierce, in addressing the 1973 Childhood
International Education Seminar stated "Every child entering school at
the age of five is insane because he comes to school with certain
allegiances to our founding fathers, toward our elected officials,
toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and
toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It's up to
you as teachers to make all these sick children well--by creating the
international child of the future."
Arm in arm, psychology and psychiatry have created that child of the
future.
CONCLUSION
Every time a child commits an act of senseless violence, kills or
commits a violent act, the first question that must be asked is what
psychiatric mind-altering drugs was the child on? Who was the
psychiatrist treating the child? If the child was not on psychiatric
drugs at the time of the killing, when was he last on psychiatric
drugs? Was he experiencing withdrawal effects from the drugs? What was
the curriculum of the school he was attending? Did the school have
Outcome Based Education Programs such as Values Clarification, Self
Esteem, Death Education or any other psychological programs designed
to "condition" the child? These questions must be asked and the
information made public record. A national database should collect
this data so that the correlations are documented and available as
public record.
Frequently when a case such as the Colorado killings occur, the
medical and juvenile records of the child may not be available due to
the fact that they are minors, so gathering this data may be
difficult. In this case, as was the case with Mitchel Johnson of the
Jonesboro Arkansas school shootings, and Michael Carneal of the West
Paducah Kentucky school shootings (among others), it is imperative
that all of the family, friends, school officials, local police and
anyone who knew the child must be queried if the truth about why
children kill is ever to come out.
Furhermore, there has recenly been talk of the parents of children who
kill being held jointly responsible for their crimes, however, in
cases where children are presribed dangerous mind-altering drugs, it
is the psychiatrists, having full access to the dangers of prescribing
these drugs to children, that should be held accountable along with
the child for the crimes committed.
The Citizens Commission on Human Rights has been investigating and
exposing abuses in the field of mental health for over 30 years. All
documentation is available upon request.
For more information contact: Marla Filidei at 800-869-2247
END NOTES
1 Maggie Gallagher, "Doping up 4 Million Kids," New York Post, April
13, 1999.
2 John Merline, "Public Schools: Pushing Drugs?", Business Daily, 16
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3 Physicians Desk Referencer, (Medical Economics Company, Inc., New
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4 Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (Third Edition
Revised) (Washington D.C.: American Psychiatric Association, 1987),
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5 Kate Muldoon, "Shooting spurs debate on Prozac's use by kids, " The
Oregonian, 1 Jun., 1998.
6 Summary done of FDA's Adverse Drug Reaction Reports for Prozac,
1988-1992, obtained through Freedom of Information Act by CCHR 7 Peter
Schrag, Mind Control, (Pantheon Books, N.Y. , 1978), p. 48.
8 Gregg Birnbaum "State Testing Prozac On 6-Year-Olds " New York Post,
January 31, 1999.
9 "Frygt for misbrugs-epidemi," Politiken, 13 June 1995, reported in
CCHR Denmark's white paper to the Council of Europe and Danish
Government and Parliamentary Committees, entitled, "Denmark's Law on
Deprivation of Liberty and Other Coercive Measures in Psychiatry--
Causing Violence," 16 Oct., 1996.
10 Charles Medawar, "Antidepressants Hooked on the Happy Drug: What
Doctors Don't Tell You", Vol. 8: No.11, March 1998, p. 3.
11 David Grounds, Andrew Stockey, Peter Evans, Colin Scott, Rowan
McIntosh, Estelle Morrison, Harry Durham, Rick Yeatman, Peter
Farnbach, "Antidepressants and Side Effects," Australian and New
Zealand Journal of Psychiatry, Vol. 29, No. 1, (April, 1995), pp.
156-57.
12 D.G. Workman and D.G. Cunningham, "Effects of Psychotropic Drugs on
Aggression in a Prison Setting," Canadian Family Physician, Nov. 1975,
pp. 63-66.
13 Daniel S. Chaffin, "Phenothiazine-Induced Acute Psychotic Reaction:
The 'Psychotoxcity' of a Drug," The American Journal of Psychiatry,
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14 Richard I. Shader and Alberto DiMascio, Psychotrpic Drug Side
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15 Jerrold F. Rosenbaum and others, "Emergence of Hostility During
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16 David L. Gardner, M.D. and Rex W. Cowdry, M.D., "Alprazolam-Induced
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17 Theodore Van Putten, "The Many Faces of Akathisia," Comprehensive
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18 Ibid.
19 Paul H. Soloff and others, "Paradoxical Effects of Amitriptyline on
Borderline Patients," The American Journal of Psychiatry, Vol. 143,
No. 12 (December 1986), pgs. 1603-1605.
20 Javad H. Kashani, M.D. et al., "Hypomanic reaction to amitriptyline
in a depressed child," Psychosomatics, Vol. 21, No. 10, October 1980,
pp. 867, 872.
21 John N. Herrera and others, "High Potency Neuroleptics and Violence
in Schizophrenics," The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease, Vol.
176, No. 9 (September 1988), pgs. 558-561.
22 Walter A. Keckich, "Violence as a Manifestation of Akathisia," The
Journal of the American Medical Association, Vol. 240, No. 20
(November, 1978), pg. 2,185.
23 Jerome L. Schulte, "Homicide and Suicide Associated with Akathisia
and Haloperidol [Haldol]," American Journal of Forensic Psychiatry,
Vol. 6, No. 2 (1985), pgs. 3-7.
24 Cases of senseless violence on file with CCHR International.
25 Newsweek, June 13, 1989, page 33.
26 "Drug Treatment, " USA Today, June 3, 1988 page 3A. Dan had been
taking Anafranil, a tricyclic antidepressant. 27 "Gunman kills girl,
wounds 10 at school," Los Angeles Times, September 27, 1988.
28 Bob Smith, "Medications; effects issue in Wilson trial," State,
Columbia, South Carolina April 25, 1989, page 1D; Lee Richards,
"Psychiatric drugs create killer," Freedom Magazine, November /
December 1988, pages 16-17 Wilson had been given several major and
minor tranquilizers.
29 David Harpster and Kathleen Salamon, "Schoolyard Massacre, 5 Kids
Die In Shooting, Gunmen Injures 30 Others, Then Kills Himself," The
Sacramento Union, January 18, 1989. 30 "Chronological Life History of
Patrick Edward Purdy," prepared by Special Agents Allen Benitez and
Phil Lee, Bureau of Investigation, California, Dept. of Justice, 1989,
pages 5,17-18.
31 Maureen Sielaff, "Prozac implicated in Oregon shooting," Vigo
Examiner, Mau...@Vigo-Examiner.com.; 20/20 National TV Show reporting
on the Kip Kinkel Oregon Shooting, 22 May 1998, transcript taken from
the show. 32 "Kids Who Kill" Good Housekeeping/August 1989.
33 Ken Holloway "Pruitt found guilty of murder," Commercial News,
Danvill, IL. June 15, 1996.
34 "Manzie to plead insane in killing of Jackson Township 11-year-
old," The Boston Globe, Associated Press, 04/27/98 21:39.
35 Greg Birnbaum, "Patients group getting $3M a year from firms," New
York Post, 28 February, 1999 page 18. 36 "Kvart Mill danskere er
pillenarkomaner," Ekstra Bladet, 13 February 1995, reported in CCHR
Denmark's white paper to the Council of Europe and Danish Government
and Parliamentary Committees, entitled "Denmark's Law On Deprivation
of Liberty and Other Coercive Measures in Psychiatry--Causing
Violence," 16 October 1996.
37 "Acute Drug Withdrawal," PreMec Medicinces Information Bulletin,
August, 1996, modified 6 Jan. 1997, http://www.premec.org.nz/profile.htm;
accessed 18 March, 1999.
38 Greg Birnbaum, "Patients group getting $3M a year from firms," New
York Post, 28 February, 1999.
39 Statement on file at CCHR International.
40 "Long Distance Winner" by Chris Willman Entertainment Weekly, May
1, 1998.
41 "Harming Lives: Psychiatry Betraying & Drugging Children" published
as a public service by the Citizens Commission on Human Rights 1998
pg. 19.
42 "Education reformer rattle the rafters" Rocky Mountains News, April
27, 1994.
43 William Kilpatrick book "Why Johny Can't Tell Right >From Wrong,.
44 Greg Williams "Why Are America's Morals Declining?" The Oregon
Observer, June 1995.
45 "Destroying Lives: Psychiatry Education's Ruin" published as a
public service by the Citizens Commission on Human Rights 1995 p. 19.
46 Ibid. p. 19.
47 "Harming Lives: Psychiatry Betraying & Drugging Children" published
as a public service by the Citizens Commission on Human Rights 1998
pg. 23.
48 Ibid.
49 "Destroying Lives: Psychiatry Education's Ruin" published as a
public service by the Citizens Commission on Human Rights 1995 p. 7.50
Ibid. p. 3.
Mark Probert
> http://www.uhuh.com/education/drugskill.htm
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Trash based on CCHR/Kriminal Kult of $cientology anti-psychiatry
bullshit removed.
The CCHR/Kriminal Kult of $cientology is opposed to psychiatry because
psychiatry is bad for their business.
If you want real information on the causes and prevention of
shootings, visit:
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They studied school shootings and found NO link to medications:
http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac/ssi_final_report.pdf
They developed the safe school initiative:
http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac/ssi_guide.pdf
These are the experts.
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them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught
up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities.
Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their
core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets
and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and
accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means
and they let nothing stand in their way.
Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is
more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged
by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would
upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their
promises.
Incapacity for Love
Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are
normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only
contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage
of them.
Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and
approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as
creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful,
all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries,
no concern for their impact on others.
Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet
"gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends;
aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing,
etc.
Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or
indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame
themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously
committed.
Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all
sorts.
Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the
future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story
readily.
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Other Related Qualities:
Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where
their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs
their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
(The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H.
Cleckley and R. Hare.)
Mark Probert
Uncalled for personal attack deleted.
> On Nov 9, 7:58 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Nov 9, 2:07 pm, pautrey2 <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >http://www.uhuh.com/education/drugskill.htm
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> > Trash based on CCHR/Kriminal Kult of $cientology anti-psychiatry
> > bullshit removed.
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> > The CCHR/Kriminal Kult of $cientology is opposed to psychiatry because
> > psychiatry is bad for their business.
>
> > If you want real information on the causes and prevention of
> > shootings, visit:
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> >http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac.shtml
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> > They studied school shootings and found NO link to medications:
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> >http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac/ssi_final_report.pdf
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> > They developed the safe school initiative:
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> >http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac/ssi_guide.pdf
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Payback for 1.5+ years of cyberstalking harrassment.
Mark Probert
I never stalked you, and only responded to you in kind. YOU started
the fighting by likenin gme to Casey Anthony, who is alleged to have
murdered her daughter.
Do not play historical revisionist, as you do not do it well.
pautrey2
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> Do not play historical revisionist, as you do not do it well.
Probert,
You are a known pathological liar (pseudologia fantastica).
For the 1000+ time I likened you to Casey Anthony because
of what you two have in common, sociopathy. Casey Anthony
has not been convicted of murder but everybody that knows
her says she is a liar. You are the revisionist. I only began
to call you CS after many months of your foul-mouthed
cyberstalking.
...the deceitful words of Mark S. Probert, disbarred by the New York
Supreme Court in November, 1992.
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/propagandistprobert.html
Profile of the Sociopath
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
Glibness and Superficial Charm
Incapacity for Love
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Other Related Qualities:
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NOTE: In the 1830's this disorder was called "moral insanity." By 1900
it was changed to "psychopathic personality." More recently it has
been termed "antisocial personality disorder" in the DSM-III and DSM-
IV. Some critics have complained that, in the attempt to rely only on
'objective' criteria, the DSM has broadened the concept to include too
many individuals. The APD category includes people who commit illegal,
immoral or self-serving acts for a variety of reasons and are not
necessarily psychopaths.
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DSM-IV Definition
Antisocial personality disorder is characterized by a lack of regard
for the moral or legal standards in the local culture. There is a
marked inability to get along with others or abide by societal rules.
Individuals with this disorder are sometimes called psychopaths or
sociopaths.
Diagnostic Criteria (DSM-IV)
1. Since the age of fifteen there has been a disregard for and
violation of the right's of others, those right's considered normal by
the local culture, as indicated by at least three of the following:
A. Repeated acts that could lead to arrest.
B. Conning for pleasure or profit, repeated lying, or the use of
aliases.
C. Failure to plan ahead or being impulsive.
D. Repeated assaults on others.
E. Reckless when it comes to their or others safety.
F. Poor work behavior or failure to honor financial obligations.
G. Rationalizing the pain they inflict on others.
2. At least eighteen years in age.
3. Evidence of a Conduct Disorder, with its onset before the age of
fifteen.
4. Symptoms not due to another mental disorder.
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Antisocial Personality Disorder Overview (Written by Derek Wood, RN,
BSN, PhD Candidate)
Antisocial Personality Disorder results in what is commonly known as a
Sociopath. The criteria for this disorder require an ongoing disregard
for the rights of others, since the age of 15 years. Some examples of
this disregard are reckless disregard for the safety of themselves or
others, failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful
behaviors, deceitfulness such as repeated lying or deceit for personal
profit or pleasure, and lack of remorse for actions that hurt other
people in any way. Additionally, they must have evidenced a Conduct
Disorder before the age of 15 years, and must be at least 18 years old
to receive this diagnosis.
People with this disorder appear to be charming at times, and make
relationships, but to them, these are relationships in name only. They
are ended whenever necessary or when it suits them, and the
relationships are without depth or meaning, including marriages. They
seem to have an innate ability to find the weakness in people, and are
ready to use these weaknesses to their own ends through deceit,
manipulation, or intimidation, and gain pleasure from doing so.
They appear to be incapable of any true emotions, from love to shame
to guilt. They are quick to anger, but just as quick to let it go,
without holding grudges. No matter what emotion they state they have,
it has no bearing on their future actions or attitudes.
They rarely are able to have jobs that last for any length of time, as
they become easily bored, instead needing constant change. They live
for the moment, forgetting the past, and not planning the future, not
thinking ahead what consequences their actions will have. They want
immediate rewards and gratification. There currently is no form of
psychotherapy that works with those with antisocial personality
disorder, as those with this disorder have no desire to change
themselves, which is a prerequisite. No medication is available
either. The only treatment is the prevention of the disorder in the
early stages, when a child first begins to show the symptoms of
conduct disorder.
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THE PSYCHOPATH NEXT DOOR (Source: http://chericola57.tripod.com/infinite.html)
Psychopath. We hear the word and images of Bernardo, Manson and Dahmer
pop into our heads; no doubt Ted Bundy too. But they're the bottom of
the barrel -- most of the two million psychopaths in North America
aren't murderers. They're our friends, lovers and co-workers. They're
outgoing and persuasive, dazzling you with charm and flattery. Often
you aren't even aware they've taken you for a ride -- until it's too
late.
Psychopaths exhibit a Jekyll and Hyde personality. "They play a part
so they can get what they want," says Dr. Sheila Willson, a Toronto
psychologist who has helped victims of psychopaths. The guy who
showers a woman with excessive attention is much more capable of
getting her to lend him money, and to put up with him when he strays.
The new employee who gains her co-workers' trust has more access to
their chequebooks. And so on. Psychopaths have no conscience and their
only goal is self-gratification. Many of us have been their victims --
at work, through friendships or relationships -- and not one of us can
say, "a psychopath could never fool me."
Think you can spot one? Think again. In general, psychopaths aren't
the product of broken homes or the casualties of a materialistic
society. Rather they come from all walks of life and there is little
evidence that their upbringing affects them. Elements of a
psychopath's personality first become evident at a very early age, due
to biological or genetic factors. Explains Michael Seto, a
psychologist at the Centre for Addiction and Mental health in Toronto,
by the time that a person hits their late teens, the disorder is
almost certainly permanent. Although many clinicians use the terms
psychopath and sociopath interchangeably, writes psychopath expert
Robert Hare on his book 'Without Conscience', a sociopath's criminal
behavior is shaped by social forces and is the result of a
dysfunctional environment.
Psychopaths have only a shallow range of emotions and lack guilt, says
Hare. They often see themselves as victims, and lack remorse or the
ability to empathize with others. "Psychopaths play on the fact that
most of us are trusting and forgiving people," adds Seto. The warning
signs are always there; it's just difficult to see them because once
we trust someone, the friendship becomes a blinder.
Even lovers get taken for a ride by psychopaths. For a psychopath, a
romantic relationship is just another opportunity to find a trusting
partner who will buy into the lies. It's primarily why a psychopath
rarely stays in a relationship for the long term, and often is
involved with three or four partners at once, says Willson. To a
psychopath, everything about a relationship is a game. Willson refers
to the movie 'Sliding Doors' to illustrate her point. In the film, the
main character comes home early after just having been fired from her
job. Only moments ago, her boyfriend has let another woman out the
front door. But in a matter of minutes he is the attentive and
concerned boyfriend, taking her out to dinner and devoting the entire
night to comforting her. All the while he's planning to leave the next
day on a trip with the other woman.
The boyfriend displays typical psychopathic characteristics because he
falsely displays deep emotion toward the relationship, says Willson.
In reality, he's less concerned with his girlfriend's depression than
with making sure she's clueless about the other woman's existence. In
the romance department, psychopaths have an ability to gain your
affection quickly, disarming you with words, intriguing you with
grandiose plans. If they cheat you'll forgive them, and one day when
they've gone too far, they'll leave you with a broken heart (and an
empty wallet). By then they'll have a new player for their game.
The problem with their game is that we don't often play by their
rules. Where we might occasionally tell a white lie, a psychopath's
lying is compulsive. Most of us experience some degree of guilt about
lying, preventing us from exhibiting such behavior on a regular basis.
"Psychopaths don't discriminate who it is they lie to or cheat," says
Seto. "There's no distinction between friend, family and sucker."
No one wants to be the sucker, so how do we prevent ourselves from
becoming close friends or getting into a relationship with a
psychopath? It's really almost impossible, say Seto and Willson.
Unfortunately, laments Seto, one way is to become more suspicious and
less trusting of others. Our tendency is to forgive when we catch a
loved one in a lie. "Psychopaths play on this fact," he says.
"However, I'm certainly not advocating a world where if someone lies
once or twice, you never speak to them again." What you can do is look
at how often someone lies and how they react when caught. Psychopaths
will lie over and over again, and where other people would sincerely
apologize, a psychopath may apologize but won't stop.
Psychopaths also tend to switch jobs as frequently as they switch
partners, mainly because they don't have the qualities to maintain a
job for the long haul. Their performance is generally erratic, with
chronic absences, misuse of company resources and failed commitments.
Often they aren't even qualified for the job and use fake credentials
to get it. Seto talks of a patient who would get marketing jobs based
on his image; he was a presentable and charming man who layered his
conversations with educational and occupational references. But it
became evident that the man hadn't a clue what he was talking about,
and was unable to hold down a job.
How do you make sure you don't get fooled when you're hiring someone
to baby-sit your child or for any other job? Hire based on reputation
and not image, says Willson. Check references thoroughly. Psychopaths
tend to give vague and inconsistent replies. Of course the best way to
solve this problem would be to cure psychopaths of their 'illness.'
But there's no recipe for treating them, say psychiatrists. Today's
traditional methods of psychotherapy (psychoanalysis, group and one-on-
one therapy) and drug treatments have failed. Therapy is more likely
to work when an individual admits there's a problem and wants to
change. The common problem with psychopaths, says Sets, "Is they don't
see a problem with their behavior."
Psychopaths don't seek therapy willingly, says Seto. Rather, they're
pushed into it by a desperate relative or by a court order. To a
psychopath, a therapist is just one more person who must be conned,
and the psychopath plays the part right until the therapist is
convinced of his or her 'rehabilitation.'
Even though we can't treat psychopaths effectively with therapy, it
doesn't mean we can't protect ourselves, writes Hare. Willson agrees,
citing the most important factor in keeping psychopaths at bay is to
know your vulnerabilities. We need to "realize our own potential and
maximize our strengths" so that our insecurities don't overcome us.
Because, she says, a psychopath is a chameleon who becomes "an image
of what you haven't done for yourself." Over time, she says, "their
appearance of perfection will begin to crack," but by that time you
will have been emotionally and perhaps financially scathed. There
comes a time when you realize there's no point in searching for
answers; the only thing is to move on.
Taken in part from MW -- By Caroline Konrad -- September 1999
THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY:
These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following
precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of
which they are capable.
First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind.
(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or
telling the truth about anything.
(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really
believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special
grace.
(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or
willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever
the problem, it is always someone else's fault.
(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.
(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their
lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence.
Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of
psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their
behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.
If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the
following immediately!
(1) Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened.
Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances.
Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if
any is available.
(2) Inform the police. The police will do nothing with this
information except to keep it on file, since they are powerless to act
until a crime has been committed. Unfortunately, that often is usually
too late for the victim. Nevertheless, place the information in their
hands.
Obviously, if you are assaulted or threatened before witnesses, you
can get a restraining order, but those are palliative at best.
(3) Local law enforcement agencies are usually under pressure if
wealthy or politically powerful individuals are involved, so include
state and federal agencies as well and tell the locals that you have.
In my own experience, one agency that can help in a pinch is the
Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service or (in
Canada) Victims Services at your local police unit. It is not easy to
think of the IRS as a potential friend, but a Swedish study showed
that malignant types (the Swedes called them bullies) usually commit
some felony or other by the age of twenty. If the family is wealthy,
the fact may never come to light, but many felonies involve tax
evasion, and in such cases, the IRS is interested indeed. If large
amounts of money are involved, the IRS may solve all your problems for
you. For obvious reasons the Drug Enforcement Agency may also be an
appropriate agency to approach. The FBI is an important agency to
contact, because although the FBI does not have jurisdiction over
murder or assault, if informed, they do have an active interest in any
other law enforcement agencies that do not follow through with an
honest investigation and prosecution should a murder occur. Civil
rights are involved at that point. No local crooked lawyer, judge, or
corrupt police official wants to be within a country mile if that
comes to light! It is in such cases that wealthy psychopaths discover
just how firm the "friends" they count on to cover up for them really
are! Even some of the drug cartel biggies will scuttle for cover if
someone picks up the brick their thugs hide under. Exposure is bad for
business.
(4) Make sure that several of your friends have the information in the
event something happens to you. That way, an appropriate investigation
will follow if you are harmed. Don't tell other people who has the
information, because then something bad could happen to them as well.
Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other
media.
If you are dealing with someone who has considerable money, you must
realize that they probably won't try to harm you themselves, they will
contract with someone to make the hit. The malignant type is a coward
and will not expose himself or herself to personal danger if he or she
can avoid it.
Mark Probert
You are frankly delusional and projecting.
> For the 1000+
You are off by 999+. Innumerate, too.
time I likened you to Casey Anthony because
> of what you two have in common, sociopathy.
I see, so now you are diagnosing people. Got a license?
Casey Anthony
> has not been convicted of murder but everybody that knows
> her says she is a liar.
That is a false statement.
You are the revisionist. I only began
> to call you CS after many months of your foul-mouthed
> cyberstalking.
The problem is, I never stalked you or used any that a rational person
could call foul. You revise history to justify your bad behavior.
I deleted the rest, as the rest is your projection of your
deficiencies onto others. It is clear that you attack anyone who
disagrees with you (what you call stalking) by this tactic.
Let's agree that I will not post to or about you and you do not post
to or about me.
pautrey2
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Yawn!
Mark Probert
pautrey2
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I wouldn't waste my time following your links.
I learned my lesson with your 'Al Queda anti-
vaccine' link. A Dr. Moron type 'wild goose chase'.
Yawn! Yawn!
Mark Probert
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> I wouldn't waste my time following your links.
> I learned my lesson with your 'Al Queda anti-
> vaccine' link.
I have no idea what you are talking about. I never posted a link with
that name.
A Dr. Moron type 'wild goose chase'.
>
> Yawn! Yawn!-
I just figured a little wake-up tune could rouse you from your
stupor.
Peter B
news:360f5642-6017-449a...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
Yawn! Yawn!
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Nap time?
Poor old feller.
pautrey2
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> > I wouldn't waste my time following your links.
> > I learned my lesson with your 'Al Queda anti-
> > vaccine' link.
>
> I have no idea what you are talking about. I never posted a link with
> that name.
>
> A Dr. Moron type 'wild goose chase'.
>
>
>
> > Yawn! Yawn!-
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> I just figured a little wake-up tune could rouse you from your
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You're a liar!
pautrey2
> "pautrey2" <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I wouldn't waste my time following your links.
> I learned my lesson with your 'Al Queda anti-
> vaccine' link. A Dr. Moron type 'wild goose chase'.
>
> Yawn! Yawn!
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> Nap time?
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"The lord rebukes your evil ways."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/browse_thread/thread/669540a807641c63/5b35ba3e80ca9e68
Mark Probert
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> > > I wouldn't waste my time following your links.
> > > I learned my lesson with your 'Al Queda anti-
> > > vaccine' link.
>
> > I have no idea what you are talking about. I never posted a link with
> > that name.
>
> > A Dr. Moron type 'wild goose chase'.
>
> > > Yawn! Yawn!-
>
> > I just figured a little wake-up tune could rouse you from your
> > stupor.-
Millions of soldiers have awakened to reveille for hundreds of years.
That cannot be a lie.
pautrey2
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Deceitful Loon,
You must be talking to yourself because
I don't have a clue about what you're
talking about. I don't follow your links!
pautrey2
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> > I wouldn't waste my time following your links.
> > I learned my lesson with your 'Al Queda anti-
> > vaccine' link.
>
> I have no idea what you are talking about. I never posted a link with
> that name.
>
> A Dr. Moron type 'wild goose chase'.
>
>
>
> > Yawn! Yawn!-
>
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Taliban are anti-vaccinations?
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Why am I not surprised?
Mark Probert
You do love name calling. How can it be deceitful to point out that
soldiers awaken to reveille?
> You must be talking to yourself because
> I don't have a clue
Quite true.
about what you're
> talking about. I don't follow your links!
A closed mind.
Mark Probert
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> > > I wouldn't waste my time following your links.
> > > I learned my lesson with your 'Al Queda anti-
> > > vaccine' link.
>
> > I have no idea what you are talking about. I never posted a link with
> > that name.
>
> > A Dr. Moron type 'wild goose chase'.
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I think you caught something from Jan Drew.
pautrey2
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I have been mirroring you.
You started it when I began posting in this group.
Taliban?
Mark Probert
Reflect on this:You need help. YOU were the one who initiated
hostilities when you linked me to Casey Anthony. Period.
>
> You started it when I began posting in this group.
Nope. Not at all. You should get a reality check that is not
vulcanized.
> Taliban?-
No, you are just a run of the mill idiot.
pautrey2
Jan Drew
Research Question: Were these drugs being used by kids who killed
kids?
New law separates students from parents. Go to Eagle Forum for the
questions. Ritalin involved.
Center for the Study of Psychiatry and Psychology - This is a great
site by an MD. Ritalin is like cocaine.
An MD tells of the addictiveness, etc. of Ritalin. Same as Metha. Read
the Hazards article. DADD is called Dad Deficit Disorder -- the father
is not giving time to his son.
Ritalin's long-term effects questioned after death of 14-year-old boy.
By Jon E. Dougherty, WND
Lawsuit over girl's death allegedly from Ritalin
Colorado school board warns of Ritalin.
Ritalin in School - DOE pays districts to use it.
Ritalin, Prozac and Valium - Were these school administered drugs used
by the kids who killed kids? A research question.
A Report from the Parents - the Springfield ordeal had government
sanctioned drugs in the background.
Report from books for doctors - Ritain can be dangerous and harmful.
[Something happened to this url ]
Schools are now authorized to presribe Ritalin, Prozac and Valium .
Need they even ask their parents?
No More Ritalin - here are some more excerpts from medical sources
that should wake you up.
Jan Drew
> On Nov 10, 12:57�am, pautrey2 <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Uncalled for personal attack deleted.
Restored:
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
Glibness and Superficial Charm
Incapacity for Love
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Jan Drew
Nothing posted about stalking. Learn to read, Mark S Probert.
Jan Drew
> idiot
More name calling. Proving once again Mark S Probert lied when
he posted *I read Torah everyday.*
Jan Drew
Probert.
Thus, proving himself a hypocrite.
Mark Probert
Four posts about me in a row.
Obsessed? Or do you harbor secret desires?
Jan Drew
[ ]
> On Dec 3, 9:57�pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > �Mark Probert forgot again that he posted Call me Mark "Diversion"
> > Probert.
> > Thus, proving himself a hypocrite.
>
> Four posts about me in a row.
>
Yep, keep it up harasser and there will be more.
Mark Probert
Jan, now you know that is just a bald faced lie. During the 2.5+ years
I ignored you, you did the same thing. Please be honest that your
intent is to hound me off of Usenet. You just hate my Jewish guts, AND
WANT TO GET RID OF ME.
BTW, That was a threat you just made to me. No mind, though, as you
are way too insignificant in the cosmos to affect me.
However, I'll retain it.
Mark Probert
PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS AND KIDS WHO KILL
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Subject: Re: THE CREATION OF SENSELESS VIOLENCE: PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS AND
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On Dec 4, 3:19=EF=BF=BDpm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com>
wrote:
[ ]
> On Dec 3, 9:57=EF=BF=BDpm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
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> > =EF=BF=BDMark Probert forgot again that he posted Call me Mark "Diversi=
Bob Officer
Jan Drew <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Dec 4, 3:19?pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>[ ]
>
>> On Dec 3, 9:57?pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > ?Mark Probert forgot again that he posted Call me Mark "Diversion"
>> > Probert.
>> > Thus, proving himself a hypocrite.
>>
>> Four posts about me in a row.
>>
> Yep, keep it up harasser and there will be more.
No Jan you are the harassers here.
I guess your life really sucks.
Do you grandchildren really hate you that much?
--
Bob Officer
Posting the truth
http://www.skeptics.com.au
pautrey2
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:44:32 -0800 (PST), in misc.health.alternative,
>
> >On Dec 4, 3:19?pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >[ ]
>
> >> On Dec 3, 9:57?pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> > ?Mark Probert forgot again that he posted Call me Mark "Diversion"
> >> > Probert.
> >> > Thus, proving himself a hypocrite.
>
> >> Four posts about me in a row.
>
> > Yep, keep it up harasser and there will be more.
>
> No Jan you are the harassers here.
>
> I guess your life really sucks.
>
> Do you grandchildren really hate you that much?
>
> --
> Bob Officer
> Posting the truthhttp://www.skeptics.com.au
Profile of the Sociopath (Officer Bob - Crooked Net Cop)
Excerpt From:
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
Glibness and Superficial Charm
Incapacity for Love
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Other Related Qualities:
Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where
their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs
their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
(The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H.
Cleckley and R. Hare.)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NOTE: In the 1830's this disorder was called "moral insanity." By 1900
it was changed to "psychopathic personality." More recently it has
been termed "antisocial personality disorder" in the DSM-III and DSM-
IV. Some critics have complained that, in the attempt to rely only on
'objective' criteria, the DSM has broadened the concept to include too
many individuals. The APD category includes people who commit illegal,
immoral or self-serving acts for a variety of reasons and are not
necessarily psychopaths.
Jan Drew
> On Nov 18, 2:49�pm, pautrey2 <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
>
>
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> > On Nov 10, 12:15�pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Nov 10, 12:57�am, pautrey2 <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Uncalled for personal attack deleted.
>
>
> > > > > On Nov 9, 2:07�pm, pautrey2 <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > >http://www.uhuh.com/education/drugskill.htm
>
> > > > > Trash based on CCHR/Kriminal Kult of $cientology anti-psychiatry
> > > > > bullshit removed.
>
> > > > > The CCHR/Kriminal Kult of $cientology is opposed to psychiatry because
> > > > > psychiatry is bad for their business.
>
> > > > > If you want real information on the causes and prevention of
> > > > > shootings, visit:
>
> > > > >http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac.shtml
>
> > > > > They studied school shootings and found NO link to medications:
>
> > > > >http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac/ssi_final_report.pdf
>
> > > > > They developed the safe school initiative:
>
> > > > >http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac/ssi_guide.pdf
>
> > > > > These are the experts.
>
> > > > > Not Mikey Adams and the $cientologists.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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> > > - Show quoted text -
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> > Payback for 1.5+ years of cyberstalking harrassment.-
>
> I never stalked you, and only responded to you in kind. YOU started
> the fighting by likenin gme to Casey Anthony, who is alleged to have
> murdered her daughter.
Whatever * likenin gme is.
Poor Markey.
>
> Do not play historical revisionist, as you do not do it well.- Hide quoted text -
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Control problems. Telling others what they should not do.
Jan Drew
> On Dec 4, 6:44�pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
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> > On Dec 4, 3:19 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > [ � � ]
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> > > On Dec 3, 9:57 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Mark Probert forgot again that he posted Call me Mark "Diversion"
> > > > Probert.
> > > > Thus, proving himself a hypocrite.
>
> > > Four posts about me in a row.
>
> > �Yep, �keep it up harasser and there will be more.
>
> Jan, now you know that is just a bald faced lie.
No, I did not.
During the 2.5+ years
> I ignored you, you did the same thing. Please be honest that your
> intent is to hound me off of Usenet. You just hate my Jewish guts, AND
> WANT TO GET RID OF ME.
I have no intentions to get rid of you. Please stop shouting.
Neither do I hate you. I do hate your lies, harassing and being a
hypocrite.
The bible states not to hate the people, rather their actions.
>
> BTW, That was a threat you just made to me. No mind, though, as you
> are way too insignificant in the cosmos to affect me.
>
> However, I'll retain it.
lol. Temper, temper. Yep, keep it up harasser there will be more is
not a threat.
Jan Drew
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On Dec 4, 6:44=A0pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Dec 4, 3:19 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [ =A0 =A0 ]
>
> > On Dec 3, 9:57 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Mark Probert forgot again that he posted Call me Mark "Diversion"
> > > Probert.
> > > Thus, proving himself a hypocrite.
>
> > Four posts about me in a row.
>
> =A0Yep, =A0keep it up harasser and there will be more.
Jan, now you know that is just a bald faced lie. During the 2.5+ years
I ignored you, you did the same thing. Please be honest that your
intent is to hound me off of Usenet. You just hate my Jewish guts, AND
WANT TO GET RID OF ME.
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I see your path is incorrect.
This is the correct one:
Mark Probert
It is a typo, styupid. I make them, you make them.
> Poor Markey.
Nah...typos are not a judge of character.
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> Control problems. Telling others what they should not do.-