Repair Bill of M1 Tank -- TOO DUMB TO ASK ??

[Notuf Questions]

Or will the Justice Department or the FBI allow the newspapers to
say ??

[Stormin Mormon]

"We'll just flat rate it out".

That's what my auto repair garage said to me last week. $91 for half hour work.

Of course, that's after I sat for an hour and a half, the parts house delived the wrong part, and I got to make the calls and get the right part on Saturday so I could be flat rated on Monday.

Christopher Peniless Young
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[Phil Kangas]

Talking about flat rates, do a web search for
'chargemaster rates' and see how the medical
people are ripping us off, at least those who
are self pay.... The AHA and the AMA do
not want to discuss it. Thieves, I say.
bama has done nothing to bring down the cost.


"Stormin Mormon" <
> wrote in message

"We'll just flat rate it out".

That's what my auto repair garage said to me last
week. $91 for half hour work.

Of course, that's after I sat for an hour and a
half, the parts house delived the wrong part, and
I got to make the calls and get the right part on
Saturday so I could be flat rated on Monday.

Christopher Peniless Young
Learn more about Jesus

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[Ed Huntress]

On Thu, 16 May 2013 17:26:56 -0400, "Phil Kangas"
<pka...@upalphacomm.net> wrote:

>Talking about flat rates, do a web search for
>'chargemaster rates' and see how the medical
>people are ripping us off, at least those who
>are self pay.... The AHA and the AMA do
>not want to discuss it. Thieves, I say.
>bama has done nothing to bring down the cost.

The only way you can bring down medical costs is to impose them by
administrative law. No one has ever figured out how to make providers
competitive in a for-profit market. It's a broken market, and nobody
negotiates while he's on a gurney in the emergency room.

There is no way Congress is going to set up an agency to control
costs. Even Medicare and Medicaid are limited by statute about what
they can do to dictate costs. Under Bush, the plan set up for Medicare
Part D (pharma) explicitly disallowed cost controls on pharmaceutical
manufacturers. (My son interned with the Republican Congressional
staff director who wrote the law -- it was Republicans who demanded
this provision, over the objections of the Dems, who wanted to control
prices.)

Meantime, hospitals are not the place to impose charges. It has to be
done to the entire medical system at once -- pharma, medical
equipment, insurance companies, hospital, and physicians.

If anyone can come up with a way to make competition do the job, he'll
become famous. People sometimes point to Swtizerland as an example of
how to do it while retaining private insurers. What they don't say,
and probably don't know in many cases, is that Switzerland had a
national referendum in the late '90s that decided private insurers
would henceforth be run as not-for-profit institutions (except for
some add-on coverage). Their staffs are paid on the basis of service
provided for a cost. They're the ones who apply pressure to the
providers to reduce prices, because their success at doing that
determines their salaries.

'Up for that? It sounds good to me.

That's Stage II of Obamacare. Until the country accepts the system,
though, there is no way any of it will happen. The foolish knee-jerk
response that the market will do it is not only proven wrong, but it
can never work right. Health care is not a real market.

--
Ed Huntress

[deep]

On Thu, 16 May 2013 17:48:08 -0400, Ed Huntress
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 16 May 2013 17:26:56 -0400, "Phil Kangas"
><pka...@upalphacomm.net> wrote:
>
>>Talking about flat rates, do a web search for
>>'chargemaster rates' and see how the medical
>>people are ripping us off, at least those who
>>are self pay.... The AHA and the AMA do
>>not want to discuss it. Thieves, I say.
>>bama has done nothing to bring down the cost.
>
>The only way you can bring down medical costs is to impose them by
>administrative law. No one has ever figured out how to make providers
>competitive in a for-profit market. It's a broken market, and nobody
>negotiates while he's on a gurney in the emergency room.

The way the rightards love to blame everything on Obama, it almost
sounds like they want nationalized healthcare.

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

deep fired this volley in news:0esap85vagjn9hl59noqkf43oi3h0akept@
4ax.com:

> The way the rightards love to blame everything on Obama, it almost
> sounds like they want nationalized healthcare.

You mean like that Chicago street Gangsta' done popped a cap on his
opponents by usin' his bro's to whup up on 'em...

...through his thugs at the IRS and Justice Department?

He's nothing more than a Chicago street gang criminal... and about to be
caught and convicted.

Or don't you read? Naw... didn't think you did... or could.

L

[Gernot Hassenpflug]

Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> writes:

> On Thu, 16 May 2013 17:26:56 -0400, "Phil Kangas"
> <pka...@upalphacomm.net> wrote:
>
>>Talking about flat rates, do a web search for
>>'chargemaster rates' and see how the medical
>>people are ripping us off, at least those who
>>are self pay.... The AHA and the AMA do
>>not want to discuss it. Thieves, I say.
>>bama has done nothing to bring down the cost.
>
> The only way you can bring down medical costs is to impose them by
> administrative law. No one has ever figured out how to make providers

You can't set the Hegelian goalposts and then start discussing, that's
what the elites do to the rest of us in the controlled mainstream media.

There are plenty of options in civil society for dealing with
sharpsters, frauds, rip-off artists, and so forth.

One of the most powerful ones being social shame. Certainly, anyone can
be ripped off once, but the person doing the ripping won't be able to
keep it up if word gets around (and there is no monopoly handed out by
government).
--
Gernot Hassenpflug
Aunkai

[Gernot Hassenpflug]

nationalized and socialized. Lovely.
--
Gernot Hassenpflug
Aunkai

[Transition Zone]

On May 16, 5:26 pm, "Phil Kangas" <pkan...@upalphacomm.net> wrote:
> Talking about flat rates, do a web search for
> 'chargemaster rates' and see how the medical
> people are ripping us off

But its also the defense department folks with that super-mechanics
bill.

(contractual inflating - more like)