All you war hungry jerks -- have you had yer fill?
Major Debacle
bankrupted the nation, borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars from
China to pour into the pockets of his buddies in the war industry, I
have only one question for ya.
Have you had yer fill?
ObamaNation is an Abomination
Are you talking to the coon-in-charge?
Buerste
"Major Debacle" <major_debacle@The_Pentagon.invalid> wrote in message
news:hdie90$tvj$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
As opposed to the TRILLIONS that President Wee-Wee is giving to HIS buddies?
george bush@tsniffsniff.net NYFD
"Buerste" <bue...@wowway.com> wrote in message
news:i83Lm.28858$6c2....@newsfe03.iad...
> As opposed to the TRILLIONS that President Wee-Wee is giving to HIS
> buddies?
Peanuts compared to Nixon, Ford, Reagan and the Czar Bush dynasty that
should be gassed out of their compound like the vermin they are.
ObamaNation is an Abomination
The coon-in-charge makes them look like pikers dealing in petty cash.
1-20-2013
Obama allowed a muslim terrorist to attack on American soil last week,
so unfortunately - the war on terror must surge forward with no
foreseeable end in sight.
Thankfully Obama is following in George W Bush's footsteps and
continuing the war on terror, keeping Club Gitmo open, and continuing to
wiretap suspected terrorists phones!!!!!
Major Debacle
> Major Debacle wrote:
>> All you war hungry jerks who cheered Bush on every step of the way as he
>> bankrupted the nation, borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars from
>> China to pour into the pockets of his buddies in the war industry, I
>> have only one question for ya.
>>
>> Have you had yer fill?
>
> Obama allowed a muslim terrorist to attack on American soil last week,
No comparison to the one Bush allowed on 9/11/01, though, is it?
Harold Burton
Major Debacle <major_debacle@The_Pentagon.invalid> whined:
Yep.
snicker.
Tater Gumfries
> Obama allowed a muslim terrorist to attack on American soil last week,
How?
Tater
1-20-2013
A muslim terrorist attack is a muslim terrorist attack. One dead
American at the hands of muslim extremists is equally as disgusting at 1
million dead Americans at the hands of muslim extremists.
Clearly you want to pretend that the muslim terrorist attack at Ft Hood
wasn't a "muslim terrorist attack" and your friends in the liberal media
are bending over backwards trying to make the Ft Hood scumbag look like
some sort of a "victim"....but at the end of the day - the attack at Ft
Hood was indeed a muslim terrorist attack where Americans were killed,
wounded, and maimed - similar to what happened on 9/11.
Regardless - the war on terror must continue and thankfully your messiah
is following in George W Bush's footsteps in fighting the war on terror!!!
1-20-2013
We'd all LOVE to know. It appears that Obama's Apology Tour didn't work
out so well.
But facts is facts....and your liberal messiah clearly dropped the ball
as a muslim extremist terrorized Americans at Ft Hood last week and
slaughtered 13 of them.
In the meantime, Obama is just about finishing page 5 of My Pet Goat....
george bush@tsniffsniff.net NYFD
"ObamaNation is an Abomination" <he...@home.org> wrote in message
news:4afcc38a...@news.eternal-september.org...
Well, Bush's depression dispells your lying racist obsessive disorder and
retardation.
ObamaNation is an Abomination
bu...@tsniffsniff.net> wrote:
>
>"ObamaNation is an Abomination" <he...@home.org> wrote in message
>news:4afcc38a...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:22:14 -0800, "NYFD" <poor george
>> bu...@tsniffsniff.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Buerste" <bue...@wowway.com> wrote in message
>>>news:i83Lm.28858$6c2....@newsfe03.iad...
>>>
>>>> As opposed to the TRILLIONS that President Wee-Wee is giving to HIS
>>>> buddies?
>>>
>>>Peanuts compared to Nixon, Ford, Reagan and the Czar Bush dynasty that
>>>should be gassed out of their compound like the vermin they are.
>>
>> The coon-in-charge makes them look like pikers dealing in petty cash.
>
>Well, Bush's depression dispells your lying racist obsessive disorder and
>retardation.
Clue: George Soros' rent-a-boy turned an economic downturn, part of
which was caused by his own Party, into a depression.
You white niggers simply continue to fail to hold a black accountable
for his actions.
Major Debacle
> Major Debacle wrote:
>> 1-20-2013 wrote:
>>> Major Debacle wrote:
>>>> All you war hungry jerks who cheered Bush on every step of the way as he
>>>> bankrupted the nation, borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars from
>>>> China to pour into the pockets of his buddies in the war industry, I
>>>> have only one question for ya.
>>>>
>>>> Have you had yer fill?
>>> Obama allowed a muslim terrorist to attack on American soil last week,
>>
>> No comparison to the one Bush allowed on 9/11/01, though, is it?
>
> A muslim terrorist attack is a muslim terrorist attack. One dead
> American at the hands of muslim extremists is equally as disgusting at 1
> million dead Americans at the hands of muslim extremists.
>
> Clearly you want to pretend that the muslim terrorist attack at Ft Hood
> wasn't a "muslim terrorist attack"
It wasn't. You know it and I know it.
This guy would have been a nutcase in Saudi Arabia.
ObamaNation is an Abomination
<major_debacle@The_Pentagon.invalid> wrote:
>1-20-2013 wrote:
>> Major Debacle wrote:
>>> 1-20-2013 wrote:
>>>> Major Debacle wrote:
>>>>> All you war hungry jerks who cheered Bush on every step of the way as he
>>>>> bankrupted the nation, borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars from
>>>>> China to pour into the pockets of his buddies in the war industry, I
>>>>> have only one question for ya.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you had yer fill?
>>>> Obama allowed a muslim terrorist to attack on American soil last week,
>>>
>>> No comparison to the one Bush allowed on 9/11/01, though, is it?
>>
>> A muslim terrorist attack is a muslim terrorist attack. One dead
>> American at the hands of muslim extremists is equally as disgusting at 1
>> million dead Americans at the hands of muslim extremists.
>>
>> Clearly you want to pretend that the muslim terrorist attack at Ft Hood
>> wasn't a "muslim terrorist attack"
>
>It wasn't. You know it and I know it.
>
>This guy would have been a nutcase in Saudi Arabia.
Actually, he's a hero there.
And a victim in the leftist mind here.
1-20-2013
> 1-20-2013 wrote:
>> Major Debacle wrote:
>>> 1-20-2013 wrote:
>>>> Major Debacle wrote:
>>>>> All you war hungry jerks who cheered Bush on every step of the way as he
>>>>> bankrupted the nation, borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars from
>>>>> China to pour into the pockets of his buddies in the war industry, I
>>>>> have only one question for ya.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you had yer fill?
>>>> Obama allowed a muslim terrorist to attack on American soil last week,
>>> No comparison to the one Bush allowed on 9/11/01, though, is it?
>> A muslim terrorist attack is a muslim terrorist attack. One dead
>> American at the hands of muslim extremists is equally as disgusting at 1
>> million dead Americans at the hands of muslim extremists.
>>
>> Clearly you want to pretend that the muslim terrorist attack at Ft Hood
>> wasn't a "muslim terrorist attack"
>
> It wasn't. You know it and I know it.
Huh???? So a muslim terrorized and slaughtered Americans on US soil -
but it can't be considered a muslim terrorist attack????????????????
No wonder no one can take liberals seriously.
>
> This guy would have been a nutcase in Saudi Arabia.
He is probably considered a hero in Saudi Arabia. muslim extremists love
it when a muslim terrorist attack is successful on US soil - or anywhere
else in the world for that matter.
You need to face it - your liberal messiah allowed a muslim terrorist
attack to occur on US soil on his watch *AFTER* his apparently failed
Apology Tour(s).
Major Debacle
> Major Debacle wrote:
>> 1-20-2013 wrote:
>>> Major Debacle wrote:
>>>> 1-20-2013 wrote:
>>>>> Major Debacle wrote:
>>>>>> All you war hungry jerks who cheered Bush on every step of the way as he
>>>>>> bankrupted the nation, borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars from
>>>>>> China to pour into the pockets of his buddies in the war industry, I
>>>>>> have only one question for ya.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you had yer fill?
>>>>> Obama allowed a muslim terrorist to attack on American soil last week,
>>>> No comparison to the one Bush allowed on 9/11/01, though, is it?
>>> A muslim terrorist attack is a muslim terrorist attack. One dead
>>> American at the hands of muslim extremists is equally as disgusting at 1
>>> million dead Americans at the hands of muslim extremists.
>>>
>>> Clearly you want to pretend that the muslim terrorist attack at Ft Hood
>>> wasn't a "muslim terrorist attack"
>> It wasn't. You know it and I know it.
>
> Huh???? So a muslim terrorized and slaughtered Americans on US soil -
> but it can't be considered a muslim terrorist attack????????????????
You can consider it anything you damn well please.
The guy is nutcase and would be a nutcase in any society.
He couldn't get a girl, he couldn't get a friend and he flipped out.
He was born and raised in Arlington, Virginia.
You want to invade Arlington, Virginia?
1-20-2013
All muslim terrorists that I've ever read about appear to be total nutcases.
>
> He was born and raised in Arlington, Virginia.
>
> You want to invade Arlington, Virginia?
Huh??????? Why would I want to invade Arlington, VA????
What I would like to see is all the liberal PC bullcrap go away so when
these muslim total nutcases show signs of being nutcases - they can be
tracked and stopped prior to them declaring jihad and committing another
act of muslim terrorism on US soil or anywhere else for that matter.
But you liberals don't want to hurt their feelings......hence atrocities
will continue to occur - despite your messiah going on Apology Tours.
Major Debacle
This guy was a loner. He was not in cahoots with anyone but the voices
in his head.
Don't glorify him with the title of "Muslim Terrorist".
Major Debacle
> Tater Gumfries wrote:
>> On Nov 12, 7:35 pm, 1-20-2013 <01202...@obamas-lastday.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Obama allowed a muslim terrorist to attack on American soil last week,
>> How?
>>
>> Tater
>
> We'd all LOVE to know.
*You* will *never* know anything.
That's because *you* have scrambled eggs for brains and would, like
Nidal Malik Hasan, be a nutcase in whatever society you might find yerself.
1-20-2013
Well, except for his acquaintances with those that preached to some of
the 911 terrorists, his attempted acquaintances with al-qaeda, his
history of praising allah and demeaning America.
He is a muslim. Fact.
He terrorized Americans on US soil. Fact.
He was shouting allah ahkbar during his rampage. Fact.
He is a muslim terrorist that attacked Americans on US soil. Fact.
His muslim terrorist attack occurred on Obama's watch. Fact.
>
> Don't glorify him with the title of "Muslim Terrorist".
Why not?
True, Obama went on his apology tour to apologize on behalf of all bad
Americans in hopes of preventing muslim terrorist nutbags from attacking
us again....but that effort clearly failed.
America was attacked by a muslim terrorist last week - no matter how
uncomfortable that makes you, your messiah, and the liberal media feel.
Major Debacle
American was not attacked by a muslim terrorist last week.
A demented nutcase shot up his workplace last week.
No different than the many postal workers who "went postal" across
America in recent years.
No different that Tim Mcveigh, registered Republican, who went off the
deep end and killed and maimed over 800 men, women and children in
Oklahoma City.
This particular nutcase had a thin, inconsequential veneer of Islam
covering a massive amount of insanity.
george bush@tsniffsniff.net NYFD
Most people know who the niggers are and they aren't black.
ObamaNation is an Abomination
bu...@tsniffsniff.net> wrote:
>
>"ObamaNation is an Abomination" <he...@home.org> wrote in message
>news:4afcd58a...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:37:15 -0800, "NYFD" <poor george
>> bu...@tsniffsniff.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"ObamaNation is an Abomination" <he...@home.org> wrote in message
>>>news:4afcc38a...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:22:14 -0800, "NYFD" <poor george
>>>> bu...@tsniffsniff.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Buerste" <bue...@wowway.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:i83Lm.28858$6c2....@newsfe03.iad...
>>>>>
>>>>>> As opposed to the TRILLIONS that President Wee-Wee is giving to HIS
>>>>>> buddies?
>>>>>
>>>>>Peanuts compared to Nixon, Ford, Reagan and the Czar Bush dynasty that
>>>>>should be gassed out of their compound like the vermin they are.
>>>>
>>>> The coon-in-charge makes them look like pikers dealing in petty cash.
>>>
>>>Well, Bush's depression dispells your lying racist obsessive disorder and
>>>retardation.
>>
>> Clue: George Soros' rent-a-boy turned an economic downturn, part of
>> which was caused by his own Party, into a depression.
>>
>> You white niggers simply continue to fail to hold a black accountable
>> for his actions.
>
>Most people know who the niggers are and they aren't black.
We call them white liberals AKA whiggers.
ObamaNation is an Abomination
<major_debacle@The_Pentagon.invalid> wrote:
>This particular nutcase had a thin, inconsequential veneer of Islam
>covering a massive amount of insanity.
>
His veneer was about as thin as Osama Bin Laden's
THE PROBLEM IS ISLAM... SAYING OTHERWISE DOES NOT NEGATE THAT FACT.
SENSE OF UMMAH
The Trouble With Islam
Sadly, mainstream Muslim teaching accepts and promotes violence.
BY TAWFIK HAMID
Not many years ago the brilliant Orientalist, Bernard Lewis, published
a short history of the Islamic world's decline, entitled "What Went
Wrong?" Astonishingly, there was, among many Western "progressives," a
vocal dislike for the title. It is a false premise, these critics
protested. They ignored Mr. Lewis's implicit statement that things
have been, or could be, right.
But indeed, there is much that is clearly wrong with the Islamic
world. Women are stoned to death and undergo clitorectomies. Gays hang
from the gallows under the approving eyes of the proponents of
Shariah, the legal code of Islam. Sunni and Shia massacre each other
daily in Iraq. Palestinian mothers teach 3-year-old boys and girls the
ideal of martyrdom. One would expect the orthodox Islamic
establishment to evade or dismiss these complaints, but less happily,
the non-Muslim priests of enlightenment in the West have come,
actively and passively, to the Islamists' defense.
These "progressives" frequently cite the need to examine "root
causes." In this they are correct: Terrorism is only the manifestation
of a disease and not the disease itself. But the root-causes are quite
different from what they think. As a former member of Jemaah Islamiya,
a group led by al Qaeda's second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, I know
firsthand that the inhumane teaching in Islamist ideology can
transform a young, benevolent mind into that of a terrorist. Without
confronting the ideological roots of radical Islam it will be
impossible to combat it. While there are many ideological "rootlets"
of Islamism, the main tap root has a name--Salafism, or Salafi Islam,
a violent, ultra-conservative version of the religion.
It is vital to grasp that traditional and even mainstream Islamic
teaching accepts and promotes violence. Shariah, for example, allows
apostates to be killed, permits beating women to discipline them,
seeks to subjugate non-Muslims to Islam as dhimmis and justifies
declaring war to do so. It exhorts good Muslims to exterminate the
Jews before the "end of days." The near deafening silence of the
Muslim majority against these barbaric practices is evidence enough
that there is something fundamentally wrong.
The grave predicament we face in the Islamic world is the virtual lack
of approved, theologically rigorous interpretations of Islam that
clearly challenge the abusive aspects of Shariah. Unlike Salafism,
more liberal branches of Islam, such as Sufism, typically do not
provide the essential theological base to nullify the cruel
proclamations of their Salafist counterparts. And so, for more than 20
years I have been developing and working to establish a
theologically-rigorous Islam that teaches peace.
Yet it is ironic and discouraging that many non-Muslim, Western
intellectuals--who unceasingly claim to support human rights--have
become obstacles to reforming Islam. Political correctness among
Westerners obstructs unambiguous criticism of Shariah's inhumanity.
They find socioeconomic or political excuses for Islamist terrorism
such as poverty, colonialism, discrimination or the existence of
Israel. What incentive is there for Muslims to demand reform when
Western "progressives" pave the way for Islamist barbarity? Indeed, if
the problem is not one of religious beliefs, it leaves one to wonder
why Christians who live among Muslims under identical circumstances
refrain from contributing to wide-scale, systematic campaigns of
terror.
Politicians and scholars in the West have taken up the chant that
Islamic extremism is caused by the Arab-Israeli conflict. This
analysis cannot convince any rational person that the Islamist murder
of over 150,000 innocent people in Algeria--which happened in the last
few decades--or their slaying of hundreds of Buddhists in Thailand, or
the brutal violence between Sunni and Shia in Iraq could have anything
to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict.
Western feminists duly fight in their home countries for equal pay and
opportunity, but seemingly ignore, under a fa�ade of cultural
relativism, that large numbers of women in the Islamic world live
under threat of beating, execution and genital mutilation, or cannot
vote, drive cars and dress as they please.
The tendency of many Westerners to restrict themselves to
self-criticism further obstructs reformation in Islam. Americans
demonstrate against the war in Iraq, yet decline to demonstrate
against the terrorists who kidnap innocent people and behead them.
Similarly, after the Madrid train bombings, millions of Spanish
citizens demonstrated against their separatist organization, ETA. But
once the demonstrators realized that Muslims were behind the terror
attacks they suspended the demonstrations. This example sent a message
to radical Islamists to continue their violent methods.
Western appeasement of their Muslim communities has exacerbated the
problem. During the four-month period after the publication of the
Muhammad cartoons in a Danish magazine, there were comparatively few
violent demonstrations by Muslims. Within a few days of the Danish
magazine's formal apology, riots erupted throughout the world. The
apology had been perceived by Islamists as weakness and concession.
Worst of all, perhaps, is the anti-Americanism among many Westerners.
It is a resentment so strong, so deep-seated, so rooted in personal
identity, that it has led many, consciously or unconsciously, to
morally support America's enemies.
Progressives need to realize that radical Islam is based on an
antiliberal system. They need to awaken to the inhumane policies and
practices of Islamists around the world. They need to realize that
Islamism spells the death of liberal values. And they must not take
for granted the respect for human rights and dignity that we
experience in America, and indeed, the West, today.
Well-meaning interfaith dialogues with Muslims have largely been
fruitless. Participants must demand--but so far haven't--that Muslim
organizations and scholars specifically and unambiguously denounce
violent Salafi components in their mosques and in the media. Muslims
who do not vocally oppose brutal Shariah decrees should not be
considered "moderates."
All of this makes the efforts of Muslim reformers more difficult. When
Westerners make politically-correct excuses for Islamism, it actually
endangers the lives of reformers and in many cases has the effect of
suppressing their voices.
Tolerance does not mean toleration of atrocities under the umbrella of
relativism. It is time for all of us in the free world to face the
reality of Salafi Islam or the reality of radical Islam will continue
to face us.
Major Debacle
And for all that the guy is nothing but a nutcase.
Fer chrissake, he was fucking *psychiatrist*!
How much nuttier can you get?!
--
Rights Are Not Given, They Are Taken
When asked, years afterward, why his charge at Gettysburg failed,
General Pickett said: "I've always thought the Yankees had something to
do with it."
Kevin Cunningham
So when did Bush, Cheney and Rove ever serve in the military? They
wanted war, they got two wars going and they lost both. Yeah, what we
need is more hypocrites.
And you repugs sure are hypocrites. You never served, you want others
to fight your wars.
Oh, sorry, Obama is closing Gitmo and all the prisoners have counsel.
Kevin Cunningham
Ok, scum, come up with the rest of the names of the Muslim Terrorists
who attacked. The FBI is waiting with baited breath.
See, scum, there was no group involved. The filth that killed our
troops was a Muslim but that is not the reason he killed 13 people.
He did it because he has a mental disease but probably not enough to
get him to a psychiatric facility.
ObamaNation is an Abomination
<major_debacle@The_Pentagon.invalid> wrote:
>ObamaNation is an Abomination wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:16:25 -0800, Major Debacle
>> <major_debacle@The_Pentagon.invalid> wrote:
>>=20
>>> This particular nutcase had a thin, inconsequential veneer of Islam
>>> covering a massive amount of insanity.
>>>
>>=20
>> His veneer was about as thin as Osama Bin Laden's
>>=20
>>=20
>> THE PROBLEM IS ISLAM... SAYING OTHERWISE DOES NOT NEGATE THAT FACT.
>>=20
>> SENSE OF UMMAH
>>=20
>> The Trouble With Islam=20
>> Sadly, mainstream Muslim teaching accepts and promotes violence.=20
>>=20
>> BY TAWFIK HAMID=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Not many years ago the brilliant Orientalist, Bernard Lewis, published
>> a short history of the Islamic world's decline, entitled "What Went
>> Wrong?" Astonishingly, there was, among many Western "progressives," a
>> vocal dislike for the title. It is a false premise, these critics
>> protested. They ignored Mr. Lewis's implicit statement that things
>> have been, or could be, right.=20
>>=20
>> But indeed, there is much that is clearly wrong with the Islamic
>> world. Women are stoned to death and undergo clitorectomies. Gays hang
>> from the gallows under the approving eyes of the proponents of
>> Shariah, the legal code of Islam. Sunni and Shia massacre each other
>> daily in Iraq. Palestinian mothers teach 3-year-old boys and girls the
>> ideal of martyrdom. One would expect the orthodox Islamic
>> establishment to evade or dismiss these complaints, but less happily,
>> the non-Muslim priests of enlightenment in the West have come,
>> actively and passively, to the Islamists' defense.
>>=20
>> These "progressives" frequently cite the need to examine "root
>> causes." In this they are correct: Terrorism is only the manifestation
>> of a disease and not the disease itself. But the root-causes are quite
>> different from what they think. As a former member of Jemaah Islamiya,
>> a group led by al Qaeda's second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, I know
>> firsthand that the inhumane teaching in Islamist ideology can
>> transform a young, benevolent mind into that of a terrorist. Without
>> confronting the ideological roots of radical Islam it will be
>> impossible to combat it. While there are many ideological "rootlets"
>> of Islamism, the main tap root has a name--Salafism, or Salafi Islam,
>> a violent, ultra-conservative version of the religion.
>>=20
>> It is vital to grasp that traditional and even mainstream Islamic
>> teaching accepts and promotes violence. Shariah, for example, allows
>> apostates to be killed, permits beating women to discipline them,
>> seeks to subjugate non-Muslims to Islam as dhimmis and justifies
>> declaring war to do so. It exhorts good Muslims to exterminate the
>> Jews before the "end of days." The near deafening silence of the
>> Muslim majority against these barbaric practices is evidence enough
>> that there is something fundamentally wrong.=20
>>=20
>> The grave predicament we face in the Islamic world is the virtual lack
>> of approved, theologically rigorous interpretations of Islam that
>> clearly challenge the abusive aspects of Shariah. Unlike Salafism,
>> more liberal branches of Islam, such as Sufism, typically do not
>> provide the essential theological base to nullify the cruel
>> proclamations of their Salafist counterparts. And so, for more than 20
>> years I have been developing and working to establish a
>> theologically-rigorous Islam that teaches peace.=20
>>=20
>> Yet it is ironic and discouraging that many non-Muslim, Western
>> intellectuals--who unceasingly claim to support human rights--have
>> become obstacles to reforming Islam. Political correctness among
>> Westerners obstructs unambiguous criticism of Shariah's inhumanity.
>> They find socioeconomic or political excuses for Islamist terrorism
>> such as poverty, colonialism, discrimination or the existence of
>> Israel. What incentive is there for Muslims to demand reform when
>> Western "progressives" pave the way for Islamist barbarity? Indeed, if
>> the problem is not one of religious beliefs, it leaves one to wonder
>> why Christians who live among Muslims under identical circumstances
>> refrain from contributing to wide-scale, systematic campaigns of
>> terror.=20
>>=20
>> Politicians and scholars in the West have taken up the chant that
>> Islamic extremism is caused by the Arab-Israeli conflict. This
>> analysis cannot convince any rational person that the Islamist murder
>> of over 150,000 innocent people in Algeria--which happened in the last
>> few decades--or their slaying of hundreds of Buddhists in Thailand, or
>> the brutal violence between Sunni and Shia in Iraq could have anything
>> to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict.=20
>> Western feminists duly fight in their home countries for equal pay and
>> opportunity, but seemingly ignore, under a fa=E7ade of cultural
>> relativism, that large numbers of women in the Islamic world live
>> under threat of beating, execution and genital mutilation, or cannot
>> vote, drive cars and dress as they please.
>>=20
>> The tendency of many Westerners to restrict themselves to
>> self-criticism further obstructs reformation in Islam. Americans
>> demonstrate against the war in Iraq, yet decline to demonstrate
>> against the terrorists who kidnap innocent people and behead them.
>> Similarly, after the Madrid train bombings, millions of Spanish
>> citizens demonstrated against their separatist organization, ETA. But
>> once the demonstrators realized that Muslims were behind the terror
>> attacks they suspended the demonstrations. This example sent a message
>> to radical Islamists to continue their violent methods.=20
>>=20
>> Western appeasement of their Muslim communities has exacerbated the
>> problem. During the four-month period after the publication of the
>> Muhammad cartoons in a Danish magazine, there were comparatively few
>> violent demonstrations by Muslims. Within a few days of the Danish
>> magazine's formal apology, riots erupted throughout the world. The
>> apology had been perceived by Islamists as weakness and concession.
>>=20
>> Worst of all, perhaps, is the anti-Americanism among many Westerners.
>> It is a resentment so strong, so deep-seated, so rooted in personal
>> identity, that it has led many, consciously or unconsciously, to
>> morally support America's enemies.=20
>>=20
>> Progressives need to realize that radical Islam is based on an
>> antiliberal system. They need to awaken to the inhumane policies and
>> practices of Islamists around the world. They need to realize that
>> Islamism spells the death of liberal values. And they must not take
>> for granted the respect for human rights and dignity that we
>> experience in America, and indeed, the West, today.
>>=20
>> Well-meaning interfaith dialogues with Muslims have largely been
>> fruitless. Participants must demand--but so far haven't--that Muslim
>> organizations and scholars specifically and unambiguously denounce
>> violent Salafi components in their mosques and in the media. Muslims
>> who do not vocally oppose brutal Shariah decrees should not be
>> considered "moderates."
>>=20
>> All of this makes the efforts of Muslim reformers more difficult. When
>> Westerners make politically-correct excuses for Islamism, it actually
>> endangers the lives of reformers and in many cases has the effect of
>> suppressing their voices.
>> Tolerance does not mean toleration of atrocities under the umbrella of
>> relativism. It is time for all of us in the free world to face the
>> reality of Salafi Islam or the reality of radical Islam will continue
>> to face us.
>>=20
>
>And for all that the guy is nothing but a nutcase.
>
>Fer chrissake, he was fucking *psychiatrist*!
>
>How much nuttier can you get?!
Islam is nutty.
Two dead in soccer celebration gunfire. From correspondents in
Baghdad
THEY WON THE GAME; IMAGINE THE CARNAGE IF THEY HAD LOST
Article from: Reuters
TWO people were killed and 15 wounded in Baghdad today when
soccer-loving Iraqis fired weapons into the air to celebrate their
team's quarter-final victory over Vietnam in the Asian Cup.
Police said the victims had all been killed and wounded in central
Baghdad.
Repeated bursts of automatic fire echoed around Baghdad straight after
Iraq's national team won the match 2-0 in Bangkok.
With their country on the verge of all-out civil war, Iraqis have
taken great delight in revelling in the progress of their soccer team
in the Asian Cup.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22114047-23109,00.html
>--=20
*us*
wrote:
>All you war hungry jerks who cheered Bush on every step of the way as he
>bankrupted the nation, borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars from
>China to pour into the pockets of his buddies in the war industry, I
>have only one question for ya.
>
>Have you had yer fill?
The party of Nixon-Reagan-BushWimps have
stolen the US Treasury and handed America
over to China, exactly on schedule.
*us*
9/11 couldn't have happened without the Bush Wimps.
Dave Heil
Please explain how terrorism is limited to group activities.
Dave Heil
> On Nov 12, 9:35 pm, 1-20-2013 <01202...@obamas-lastday.com> wrote:
>> Major Debacle wrote:
>>> All you war hungry jerks who cheered Bush on every step of the way as he
>>> bankrupted the nation, borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars from
>>> China to pour into the pockets of his buddies in the war industry, I
>>> have only one question for ya.
>>> Have you had yer fill?
>> Obama allowed a muslim terrorist to attack on American soil last week,
>> so unfortunately - the war on terror must surge forward with no
>> foreseeable end in sight.
>>
>> Thankfully Obama is following in George W Bush's footsteps and
>> continuing the war on terror, keeping Club Gitmo open, and continuing to
>> wiretap suspected terrorists phones!!!!!
>
> So when did Bush, Cheney and Rove ever serve in the military?
You seemed to know when President Bush was in the military just a couple
of days back. Are you having trouble with your memory?
I've asked you repeatedly about your military experience, Kevin. You
never seem to get around to answering. You've called a number of
posters here "coward" for not serving when, in fact, they have served.
> They
> wanted war, they got two wars going and they lost both.
Well, the American people wanted war. The House and the Senate wanted
war because they voted for it. Neither war is lost; both are ongoing.
Didn't you know any of this?
> Yeah, what we
> need is more hypocrites.
What we need is more citizens with a command of the facts.
> And you repugs sure are hypocrites. You never served, you want others
> to fight your wars.
When and where did you serve in the U.S. military?
> Oh, sorry, Obama is closing Gitmo and all the prisoners have counsel.
A White House staffer just quit over Obama's pushing the Gitmo closure
date back. Maybe you didn't get the memo.
Nobama
>9/11 couldn't have happened without the lying crook Clinton.
How Chinagate Led to 9/11
As the 9/11 Commission tries to uncover what kept intelligence
agencies from preventing September 11, it has overlooked two vital
factors: Jamie Gorelick and Bill Clinton. Gorelick, who has browbeaten
the current administration, helped erect the walls between the FBI,
CIA and local investigators that made 9/11 inevitable. However, she
was merely expanding the policy Bill Clinton established with
Presidential Decision Directive 24. What has been little underreported
is why the policy came about: to thwart investigations into the
Chinese funding of Clinton�s re-election campaign, and the favors he
bestowed on them in return.
In April, CNSNews.com staff writer Scott Wheeler reported that a
senior U.S. government official and three other sources claimed that
the 1995 memo written by Jamie Gorelick, who served as the Clinton
Justice Department�s deputy attorney general from 1994 to 1997,
created "a roadblock" to the investigation of illegal Chinese
donations to the Democratic National Committee. But the picture is
much bigger than that. The Gorelick memo, which blocked intelligence
agents from sharing information that could have halted the September
11 hijacking plot, was only the mortar in a much larger maze of
bureaucratic walls whose creation Gorelick personally oversaw.
It�s a story the 9/11 Commission may not want to hear, and one that
Gorelick � now incredibly a member of that commission � has so far
refused to tell. But it is perhaps the most crucial one to
understanding the intentional breakdown of intelligence that led to
the September 11 disaster.
Nearly from the moment Gorelick took office in the Clinton Justice
Department, she began acting as the point woman for a large-scale
bureaucratic reorganization of intelligence agencies that ultimately
placed the gathering of intelligence, and decisions about what � if
anything � would be done with it. This entire operation was under
near-direct control of the White House. In the process, more than a
dozen CIA and FBI investigations underway at the time got caught
beneath the heel of the presidential boot, investigations that would
ultimately reveal massive Chinese espionage as millions in illegal
Chinese donations filled Democratic Party campaign coffers.
When Gorelick took office in 1994, the CIA was reeling from the news
that a Russian spy had been found in CIA ranks, and Congress was
hungry for a quick fix. A month after Gorelick was sworn in, Bill
Clinton issued Presidential Decision Directive 24. PDD 24 put
intelligence gathering under the direct control of the president�s
National Security Council, and ultimately the White House, through a
four-level, top-down chain of command set up to govern (that is,
stifle) intelligence sharing and cooperation between intelligence
agencies. From the moment the directive was implemented, intelligence
sharing became a bureaucratic nightmare that required negotiating a
befuddling bureaucracy that stopped directly at the President�s
office.
First, the directive effectively neutered the CIA by creating a
National Counterintelligence Center (NCI) to oversee the Agency. NCI
was staffed by an FBI agent appointed by the Clinton administration.
It also brought multiple international investigations underway at the
time under direct administrative control. The job of the NCI was to
�implement counterintelligence activities,� which meant that virtually
everything the CIA did, from a foreign intelligence agent�s report to
polygraph test results, now passed through the intelligence center
that PDD 24 created.
NCI reported to an administration-appointed National
Counterintelligence Operations Board (NCOB) charged with �discussing
counterintelligence matters.� The NCOB in turn reported to a National
Intelligence Policy Board, which coordinated activities between
intelligence agencies attempting to work together. The policy board
reported �directly� to the president through the Assistant to the
President for National Security Affairs.
The result was a massive bureaucratic roadblock for the CIA � which at
the time had a vast lead on the FBI in foreign intelligence � and for
the FBI itself, which was also forced to report to the NCOB. This
hampered cooperation between the two entities. All this occurred at a
time when both agencies were working separate ends of investigations
that would eventually implicate China in technology transfers and the
Democratic Party in a Chinese campaign cash grab.
And the woman charged with selling this plan to Congress, convince the
media and ultimately implement much of it? Jamie Gorelick.
Many in Congress, including some Democrats, found the changes PDD 24
put in place baffling: they seemed to do nothing to insulate the CIA
from infiltration while devastating the agency�s ability to collect
information. At the time, Democrat House Intelligence Chairman Dan
Glickman referred to the plan as �regulatory gobbledygook." Others
questioned how FBI control of CIA intelligence would foster greater
communication between the lower levels of the CIA and FBI, now that
all information would have to be run through a multi-tier bureaucratic
maze that only went upward.
Despite their doubts, Gorelick helped the administration sell the plan
on Capitol Hill. The Directive stood.
But that wasn�t good enough for the Clinton administration, which
wanted control over every criminal and intelligence investigation,
domestic and foreign, for reasons that would become apparent in a few
years. For the first time in Justice Department history, a political
appointee, Richard Scruggs � an old crony or Attorney General Janet
Reno�s from Florida � was put in charge of the Office of Intelligence
and Policy Review (OIPR). OIPR is the Justice Department agency in
charge of requesting wiretap and surveillance authority for criminal
and intelligence investigations on behalf of investigative agencies
from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court. The
court�s activities are kept secret from the public.
A year after PDD 24, with the new bureaucratic structure loaded with
administration appointees, Gorelick drafted the 1995 memo Attorney
General John Ashcroft mentioned while testifying before the 9/11
Commission. The Gorelick memo, and other supporting memos released in
recent weeks, not only created walls within the intelligence agencies
that prevented information sharing among their own agents, but
effectively walled these agencies off from each other and from outside
contact with the U.S. prosecutors instrumental in helping them gather
the evidence needed to make the case for criminal charges.
The only place left to go with intelligence information � particularly
for efforts to share intelligence information or obtain search
warrants � was straight up Clinton and Gorelick�s multi-tiered chain
of command. Instead, information lethal to the Democratic Party
languished inside the Justice Department, trapped behind Gorelick�s
walls.
The implications were enormous. In her letter of protest to Attorney
General Reno over Gorelick�s memo, United States Attorney Mary Jo
White spelled them out: �These instructions leave entirely to OIPR and
the (Justice Department) Criminal Division when, if ever, to contact
affected U.S. attorneys on investigations including terrorism and
espionage,� White wrote. (Like OIPR, the Criminal Division is also
part of the Justice Department.)
Without an enforcer, the walls might Gorelick�s memo put in place
might not have held. But Scruggs acted as that enforcer, and he
excelled at it. Scruggs maintained Gorelick�s walls between the FBI
and Justice's Criminal Division by threatening to automatically reject
any FBI request for a wiretap or search warrant if the Bureau
contacted the Justice Department's Criminal Division without
permission. This deprived the FBI, and ultimately the CIA, of
gathering advice and assistance from the Criminal Division that was
critical in espionage and terrorist cases.
It is no coincidence that this occurred at the same time both the FBI
and the CIA were churning up evidence damaging to the Democratic
Party, its fundraisers, the Chinese and ultimately the Clinton
administration itself. Between 1994 and the 1996 election, as Chinese
dollars poured into Democratic coffers, Clinton struggled to reopen
high-tech trade to China. Had agents confirmed Chinese theft of
weapons technology or its transfer of weapons technology to nations
like Pakistan, Iran and Syria, Clinton would have been forced by law
and international treaty to react.
Gorelick�s appointment to the job at Justice in 1994 occurred during a
period in which the FBI had begun to systematically investigate
technology theft by foreign powers. For the first time, these
investigations singled out the U.S. chemical, telecommunications,
aircraft and aerospace industries for intelligence collection.
By the time Gorelick wrote the March 1995 memo that sealed off
American intelligence agencies from each other and the outside world,
all of the most critical Chinagate investigations by American
intelligence agencies were already underway. Some of their findings
were damning:
In an investigation originally instigated by the CIA, the FBI was
beginning its search for the source of the leak of W-88 nuclear
warhead technology to China among the more than 1,000 people who had
access to the secrets. Despite Justice Department stonewalling and the
Department�s refusal to seek wiretap authority in 1997, the
investigation eventually led to Wen Ho Lee and the Los Alamos National
Laboratory.
The FBI first collected Extensive evidence in 1995 linking illegal
Democratic Party donations to China, according to the Congressional
Record. But Congress and the Director of the CIA didn�t find out about
the Justice Department�s failure to act upon that evidence until 1997,
safely after the 1996 election.
According to classified CIA documents leaked to the Washington Times,
between 1994 and 1997, the CIA learned that China sold Iran missile
technology, a nuclear fission reactor, advanced air-defense radar and
chemical agents. The Chinese also provided 5,000 ring magnets to
Pakistan, used in producing weapons-grade uranium. The Chinese also
provided uranium fuel for India's reactors.
In many cases the CIA resorting to leaking classified information to
the media, in an effort to bypass the administration�s blackout.
Gorelick knew these facts well. While Clinton may have refused to meet
with top CIA officials, Gorelick didn�t. According to a 1996 report by
the legal news service American Lawyer Media, Gorelick and then-Deputy
Director of the CIA George Tenet met every other week to discuss
intelligence and intelligence sharing.
But those in the Clinton administration weren�t the only ones to gain
from the secrecy. In 1994, the McDonnell Douglas Corporation
transferred military-use machine tools to the China National
Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation that ended up in the
hands of the Chinese army. The sale occurred despite Defense
Department objections. McDonnell Douglas was a client of the Miller
Cassidy Larroca & Lewin, L.L.P. (now called Baker Botts), the
Washington, D.C., law firm where Gorelick worked for 17 years and was
a partner. Ray Larroca, another partner in the firm, represented
McDonnell in the Justice Department�s investigation of the technology
transfer.
In 1995, General Electric, a former client of Gorelick�s, also had
much to lose if the damaging information the CIA and the FBI had
reached Congress. At the time, GE was publicly lobbying for a
lucrative permit to assist the Chinese in replacing coal-fired power
stations with nuclear plants. A 1990 law required that the president
certify to Congress that China was not aiding in nuclear proliferation
before U.S. companies could execute the business agreement.
Moreover, in 1995, Michael Armstrong, then the CEO of Hughes
Electronics � a division of General Electric and another client of
Miller Cassidy Larroca & Lewin � was publicly lobbying Clinton to
switch satellite export controls from the State Department to the
Commerce Department. After the controls were lifted, Hughes and
another company gave sensitive data to the Chinese, equipment a
Pentagon study later concluded would allow China to develop
intercontinental and submarine-launched ballistic missiles aimed at
American targets. Miller Cassidy Larroca & Lewin partner Randall Turk
represented Hughes in the Congressional, State Department, and Justice
Department investigations that resulted.
The Cox Report, which detailed Chinese espionage for Congress during
the period, revealed that FBI surveillance caught Chinese officials
frantically trying to keep Democratic donor Johnny Chung from
divulging any information that would be damaging to Hughes
Electronics. Chung funneled $300,000 in illegal contributions from the
Chinese military to the DNC between 1994 and 1996.
It was this web of investigations that led Gorelick and Bill Clinton
to erect the wall between intelligence agencies that resulted in the
toppling of the Twin Towers. The connections go on and on, but they
all lead back to Gorelick, the one person who could best explain how
the Clinton administration neutered the American intelligence agencies
that could have stopped the September 11 plot. Yet another high crime
will have been committed if the September 11 Commission doesn�t demand
testimony from her.
*us*
Even the most desperate bushworshipper can't dispute that.
Nobama
>9/11 couldn't have happened without the complete
>cooperation of Bill Clinton.
Tell me about it.
*us*
Even the most desperate bushworshipper can't dispute that.
Nobama
>9/11 couldn't have happened without the
>full cooperation and incompetence of Clinton.
Ayuh
Day Brown
involved the presidency. Yet that does not disturb you?
No wonder those few who can see beyond partisan rhetoric see the
republic headed for disaster.
*us*
Even the most desperate bushworshipper can't dispute that.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze25x9n/id29.html
Bush stopped the FBI from investigating his intended
scapegoat, and made sure the pilots were disarmed.
Cheney made sure the air defense systems were thwarted.
*us*
wrote:
>... they were tortured.
That's how Bush and Cheney got false confessions.
Good point.
Bush and Cheney did have to curtail Clinton's efforts
in order for 9/11 to happen, though.
Nobama
>9/11 couldn't have happened without Clinton's compliance.
Sho 'nuff.
*us*
President Clinton led the fight against terrorism over strong opposition from Republicans
in Congress and the pro-Republican Media. Here's a partial - yet incredibly long - list of
accomplishments against terrorism for which the Clinton Administration gets almost no
credit or even recognition. President Clinton:
-- sent legislation to Congress to TIGHTEN AIRPORT SECURITY. (Remember, this is before
911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the
airlines.
-- sent legislation to Congress to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF TERRORIST FUNDING. It was
defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.
-- sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for BETTER TRACKING
OF EXPLOSIVES USED BY TERRORISTS. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition
from the NRA.
When Republicans couldn't prevent executive action, President Clinton:
-- Developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national
coordinator.
-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.
-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
--Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.
-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.
-- Tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts
denounced by the G.O.P.).
-- Brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.
-- Did not blame Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it
occurred 38 days after they had left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively -- and
successfully -- to stop future terrorist attacks.
-- Named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major
steps to be taken to combat terrorism.
-- Tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for
counterterrorism.
-- Detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries
-- Created a national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of
smallpox vaccine.
-- Robert Oakley, Reagan Counterterrorism Czar says of Clinton's efforts "Overall, I give
them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama"
-- Paul Bremer, Bush's Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley saying
he believed the Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden. "
-- Barton Gellman of the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Clinton
left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and
was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort."
Here, in stark contrast, is part of the Bush-Cheney anti-terrorism record before September
11, 2001:
-- Backed off Clinton administration's anti-terrorism efforts.
-- Shelved the Hart-Rudman report.
-- Appointed new anti-terrorism task force under Dick Cheney. Group did not even meet
before 9/11.
-- Called for cuts in anti-terrorism efforts by the Department of Defense.
-- Gave no priority to anti-terrorism efforts by Justice Department.
-- Ignored warnings from Sandy Berger, Louis Freeh, George Tennant, Paul Bremer, and
Richard Clarke about the urgency of terrorist threats.
-- Halted Predator drone tracking of Osama bin Laden.
-- Did nothing in wake of August 6 C.I.A. report to president saying Al Qaeda attack by
hijack of an airliner almost certain.
-- Bush - knowing about the terrorists' plans to attack in America, warned that terrorists
were in flight schools in the US - took a four week vacation.
-- By failing to order any coordination of intelligence data, missed opportunity to stop
the 9/11 plot as Clinton-Gore had stopped the millennium plots.
-- Blamed President Clinton for 9/11."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2101184
Bush and Cheney stopped Clinton's anti-terrorism programs.
Nobama
Bill Clinton got off way too easily when discussing the failures of
pre-9/11 intelligence gathering and our lack of response when
repeatedly provoked. Yes, we were attacked prior to Clinton entering
office.
The kidnapping of our hostages in Iran and the Hezbollah attack in
Beirut are but two glaring examples of pre-al-Qaida terror. The
hostage taking was a nadir for our country and Jimmy Carter did not
have the nerve or the military to respond. Ronald Reagan also did not
respond to the attack that killed 240 Marines and others in Beirut,
but at the time we were in the middle of a civil war and we had no
idea which side was which and who our friends were and who were our
enemies.
The attacks against our interests and military in the 1990's were a
different story altogether. From Mogadishu to the first World Trade
Center Bombing to he African embassy bombings to the Khobar Towers to
finally a direct attack on a U.S. warship -- the USS Cole -- and still
we did almost nothing. We said to Osama bin-Laden "attack, we won't
respond" and he was emboldened enough to first allow planning for the
Millenium bombings and the Bojinka plane bombings (both luckily
stopped by heads-up policewomen) while funding the attacks on the WTC
and Pentagon.
Now Michael Isikoff writes that Clinton lied on Fox during that
finger-pointing charade with Chris Wallace:
The report also criticized intelligence problems when Bill Clinton was
president, detailing political and legal "constraints" agency
officials felt in the late 1990s. In September 2006, during a famous
encounter with Fox News anchor Wallace, Clinton erupted in anger and
waived his finger when asked about whether his administration had done
enough to get bin Laden. "What did I do? What did I do?" Clinton said
at one point. "I worked hard to try to kill him. I authorized a
finding for the CIA to kill him. We contracted with people to kill
him. I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since."
Clinton appeared to have been referring to a December 1999 Memorandum
of Notification (MON) he signed that authorized the CIA to use lethal
force to capture, not kill, bin Laden. But the inspector general's
report made it clear that the agency never viewed the order as a
license to "kill" bin Laden-one reason it never mounted more effective
operations against him. "The restrictions in the authorities given the
CIA with respect to bin Laden, while arguably, although ambiguously,
relaxed for a period of time in late 1998 and early 1999, limited the
range of permissible operations," the report stated. (Scheuer agreed
with the inspector general's findings on this issue, but said if
anything the report was overly diplomatic. "There was never any
ambiguity," he said. "None of those authorities ever allowed us to
kill anyone. At least that's what the CIA lawyers told us." A
spokesman for the former president had no immediate comment.)
So, in effect, we just were treated to more Clinton spin. Note that
the darling of the left, Michael Scheuer, makes perfectly clear that
Clinton flat out lied while being interviewed by Wallace. There was
never an order to kill Osama bin Laden and Clinton knew it when he was
being interviewed. Instead he proceeded to make a big show and got
major kudos for putting that Fox interviewer in his place. It was all
a sham, which those of us who actually viewed Clinton with a realistic
eye during the nineties knew from the start. I can see the Clinton
team forming their response: "It depends on what the definition of
"kill" means".
This only makes me bring up the question again: What did Sandy Berger
shove in his pants and steal from the National Archives that he and
Clinton didn't want the 9/11 Commission to see? Clinton had to know
this report would eventually be released and he would be proven wrong
once again. Surprisingly, he did have a comment, which means that the
Clinton spin machine is triangulating something or looking for someone
else to scapegoat as has been their M.O. for years.
As I've said before, 9/11 was not President Clinton's fault and it was
not President Bush's fault. It was the fault of a terror network that
used our freedoms against us. I do blame Clinton for destroying a
military and an intelligence entity that could have prevented the
attack from occurring had they been given the leadership and the tools
needed. Sadly, the Clinton administration had people such as 9/11
Commission member Jamie Gorelick who hamstrung the intel agencies and
Bill Clinton got off way too easily when discussing the failures of
pre-9/11 intelligence gathering and our lack of response when
repeatedly provoked. Yes, we were attacked prior to Clinton entering
office.
The kidnapping of our hostages in Iran and the Hezbollah attack in
Beirut are but two glaring examples of pre-al-Qaida terror. The
hostage taking was a nadir for our country and Jimmy Carter did not
have the nerve or the military to respond. Ronald Reagan also did not
respond to the attack that killed 240 Marines and others in Beirut,
but at the time we were in the middle of a civil war and we had no
idea which side was which and who our friends were and who were our
enemies.
The attacks against our interests and military in the 1990's were a
different story altogether. From Mogadishu to the first World Trade
Center Bombing to he African embassy bombings to the Khobar Towers to
finally a direct attack on a U.S. warship -- the USS Cole -- and still
we did almost nothing. We said to Osama bin-Laden "attack, we won't
respond" and he was emboldened enough to first allow planning for the
Millenium bombings and the Bojinka plane bombings (both luckily
stopped by heads-up policewomen) while funding the attacks on the WTC
and Pentagon.
Now Michael Isikoff writes that Clinton lied on Fox during that
finger-pointing charade with Chris Wallace:
The report also criticized intelligence problems when Bill Clinton was
president, detailing political and legal "constraints" agency
officials felt in the late 1990s. In September 2006, during a famous
encounter with Fox News anchor Wallace, Clinton erupted in anger and
waived his finger when asked about whether his administration had done
enough to get bin Laden. "What did I do? What did I do?" Clinton said
at one point. "I worked hard to try to kill him. I authorized a
finding for the CIA to kill him. We contracted with people to kill
him. I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since."
Clinton appeared to have been referring to a December 1999 Memorandum
of Notification (MON) he signed that authorized the CIA to use lethal
force to capture, not kill, bin Laden. But the inspector general's
report made it clear that the agency never viewed the order as a
license to "kill" bin Laden-one reason it never mounted more effective
operations against him. "The restrictions in the authorities given the
CIA with respect to bin Laden, while arguably, although ambiguously,
relaxed for a period of time in late 1998 and early 1999, limited the
range of permissible operations," the report stated. (Scheuer agreed
with the inspector general's findings on this issue, but said if
anything the report was overly diplomatic. "There was never any
ambiguity," he said. "None of those authorities ever allowed us to
kill anyone. At least that's what the CIA lawyers told us." A
spokesman for the former president had no immediate comment.)
So, in effect, we just were treated to more Clinton spin. Note that
the darling of the left, Michael Scheuer, makes perfectly clear that
Clinton flat out lied while being interviewed by Wallace. There was
never an order to kill Osama bin Laden and Clinton knew it when he was
being interviewed. Instead he proceeded to make a big show and got
major kudos for putting that Fox interviewer in his place. It was all
a sham, which those of us who actually viewed Clinton with a realistic
eye during the nineties knew from the start. I can see the Clinton
team forming their response: "It depends on what the definition of
"kill" means".
This only makes me bring up the question again: What did Sandy Berger
shove in his pants and steal from the National Archives that he and
Clinton didn't want the 9/11 Commission to see? Clinton had to know
this report would eventually be released and he would be proven wrong
once again. Surprisingly, he did have a comment, which means that the
Clinton spin machine is triangulating something or looking for someone
else to scapegoat as has been their M.O. for years.
As I've said before, 9/11 was not President Clinton's fault and it was
not President Bush's fault. It was the fault of a terror network that
used our freedoms against us. I do blame Clinton for destroying a
military and an intelligence entity that could have prevented the
attack from occurring had they been given the leadership and the tools
needed. Sadly, the Clinton administration had people such as 9/11
Commission member Jamie Gorelick who hamstrung the intel agencies and
RLM
>
Billions upon billions of Bush dollars later we still lost another war.
Notice a trend yet? Go back to Korea and let me know what we have won so
far.
NONE!
Do you feel stupid as I see you now?
Bill Gamelson
"RLM" <R...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:hduo8c$m1j$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:26:09 +0000, Nobama wrote:
>
>>
> Billions upon billions of Bush dollars later we still lost another war.
>
Trillions and trillions of Obama dollars later, and I still don't have a
job.
RLM
You have to be worth employing! Be glad runny nose raygun isn't still at
the helm. You could have never achieved employment.
Nobama
>On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:26:09 +0000, Nobama wrote:
>
>>
>Billions upon billions of Bush dollars later we still lost another war.
Fuck Bush; he's one of your boys with his set asides, amnesty, open
borders ....
>Notice a trend yet? Go back to Korea and let me know what we have won so
>far.
>NONE!
>
>Do you feel stupid as I see you now?
You're the one who voted for a communist, comrade.
Nobama
Obammy set ya up with a guvmint job, eh?
*us*
>Trillions and trillions ...
The part of the Pentagon that was hit on 9/11
was the area where accountants were trying to
find out what happened to $2.3 trillion that
had gone 'missing'.
*us*
can't actually dispute any of these facts:
*us*
>Fuck Bush ...
So, are you 'Jeff Gannon', or a sheik, or communist Chinese?
Nobama
Fact check Palin but not Obammy.
What about her scares you weenies?
"Imagine that," the post read. "11 AP reporters dedicating time and
resources to tearing up the book, instead of using the time and
resources to 'fact check' what's going on with Sheik Mohammed's trial,
Pelosi's health care takeover costs, Hasan's associations, etc.
Amazing."
The AP, an organization with over 4,000 employees and 49 Pulitzer
Prizes earned for asking the hard questions, wouldn't comment on their
own reporting for this story.
Reviewing books and holding public figures accountable is at the core
of good journalism, but the treatment Palin's book received appears to
be something new for the AP. The organization did not review for
accuracy recent books by the late Sen. Ted Kennedy, then-Sen. Joe
Biden, either book by Barack Obama released before he was president or
autobiographies by Bill or Hillary Clinton. The AP did more
traditional news stories on those books.
Nobama
>"Clinton
Chinagate, Malaysian coal mine kickbacks, banking crisis, and of
course, enabling al qaida.
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>Fuck Bush ...
So, are you 'Jeff Gannon', or a sheik, or communist Chinese?
Can't answer?
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:42:38 GMT, ho...@home.net (Nobrain Scared Weenie) wrote:
>Fact check ...scares ... weenies ...
Of course you're too weak and fearful to deal with reality:
you're a mere bushworshipper, not a competent adult.
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:05:06 -0700, "Bill Gamelson" <bill.g...@cox.net> wrote:
>Trillions and trillions ...
The part of the Pentagon that was hit on 9/11
was the area where accountants were trying to
find out what happened to $2.3 trillion that
had gone 'missing'.
"Clinton vs. Terror, Republicans vs. Clinton
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>...enabling al qaida [sic]
You've misspelled "CIA".
Nobama
for
The Clinton Coal Con
A large part of America's energy dependence on foreign sources can be
traced to Sept. 18, 1996, when President Bill Clinton stood on the
edge of the Grand Canyon on the Arizona side and signed an executive
proclamation making 1.7 million acres of Utah a new national monument.
...At the time, the Clintons were worried that Ralph Nader's presence
on the ballot in a few Western states would draw green votes from
Clinton in a race that promised to be close after the GOP retook
Congress two years earlier.
In fact, the declaration of 1.7 million Utah acres as a national
monument, thereby depriving an energy-starved U.S. up to 62 billion
tons of environmentally safe low-sulfur coal worth $1.2 trillion and
minable with minimal surface impact, was a political payoff to the
family of James Riady.
He's the son of Lippo Group owner Mochtar Riady. James was found
guilty of -- and paid a multimillion dollar fine for -- funneling more
than $1 million in illegal political contributions through Lippo Bank
into various American political campaigns, including Bill Clinton's
presidential run in 1992.
Clinton took off the world market the largest known deposit of
clean-burning coal. And who owned and controlled the second-largest
deposit in the world of this clean coal? The Indonesian Lippo Group of
James Riady. It is found and strip-mined on the Indonesian island of
Kalimantan.
The Utah reserve contains a kind of low-sulfur, low-ash and therefore
low-polluting coal that can be found in only a couple of places in the
world. It burns so cleanly that it meets the requirements of the Clean
Air Act without additional technology.
"The mother of all land grabs," Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, said at the
time. He has called what was designated as the Grande Staircase of the
Escalante National Monument the "Saudi Arabia of coal." --
Nobama
>President Clinton and Chinagate led to 9/11.
He will burn in hell.
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>...burn in hell.
You believe in myths because your brain is defective.
Nobama
>"Clinton
His dalliances with Monica etc. were small 'taters compared to his
enabling of 9/11, Chinagate, Riday scandal ......
Oh and don't forget his relaxation of the safeguard rules.
Triggering the banking crisis.
Yup, he gonna burn baby burn.
Nobama
>This is really a good link:
>http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/billC.htm
Hear! hear!
Day Brown
>> Either way, the fact, which you all seem to agree on, is that 911
>> involved the presidency. Yet that does not disturb you?
>>
>> No wonder those few who can see beyond partisan rhetoric see the
>> republic headed for disaster.
>
> Good point.
>
> Bush and Cheney did have to curtail Clinton's efforts
> in order for 9/11 to happen, though.
WJC- velvet glove. Bush II- Iron fist, Obama- Velvet glove...
The way empire has always been run. Behind it all the transnationals cut
the Chinese ruling elite in on the action to have a free hand to take on
the Islamic cultures, the last remaining power structure they dont
control, with 911 as the false flag event to justify the effort and
motivate the support of the masses, since they are too stupid to get it
otherwise.
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Nobama
>How did Clinton's Chinagate
>fit in to 9/11.
See previous post.
Nobama
>Didn't they make a song about
>Clinton's failure to get Osama?
They resurrected an oldie:
"I held you right
on the tips of my fingers
but I let you slip right
thru my hands
Oh I let you slip
right thru
my
hands"
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Good points.
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State 9/11 Possibly an Inside Job"
http://www.wanttoknow.info/050908insidejob911
The bushfilth is helplessly incapable of disputing
anything they have to say, of course.
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side as the USA, in fact.
Nobama
>Wasn't Clinton the first to nominate
>the anti-American racist, Eric Holder?
Deputy AG.
Nobama
>Do you think that McVeigh was a hero?
His beef was with the Fed. Govt., especially, Jackboot Janet Reno.
It was wrong for him to kill innocents at random.
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America's "Greatest Generation", in fact.
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>...McVeigh was a hero...
You admire some very sick people.
Nobama
>Did the Clinton appointee Holder
>exclude whites as victims from his hate crime
>legislation.?
Sure did.
Nobama
>Did Holder, who was first appointed by Clinton,
>quash charges against the savage Black Panther
>niggers who terrorized white voters in Philly?
Yup.
DOJ career lawyers had built a strong case against them after five
months of work.
All for naught.
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those who rob, maim and kill Americans.
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history would cause him to hesitate before
having Americans murdered.
Nobama
>So Clinton and, especially, surrounded themselves with
>black racists.
Yeah, besides Holder, don't get me started on Van Jones and Mark Lloyd
in addition to a whole host of minor, but powerful, figures.
Nobama
>So would you saythat Holder has effectively declared
>open season on whites.
Oh yeah, you'll see more of the Channon Christian-type cases
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Nobama
>It's common knowledge that blacks who are raised in a
>comfortable environment do as well as whites academically
Rich, Black, Flunking
Cal Professor John Ogbu thinks he knows why rich black kids are
failing in school. Nobody wants to hear it.
BY SUSAN GOLDSMITH
John Ogbu has been compared to Clarence Thomas, denounced by the Urban
League, and criticized in The New York Times.
The black parents wanted an explanation. Doctors, lawyers, judges, and
insurance brokers, many had come to the upscale Cleveland suburb of
Shaker Heights specifically because of its stellar school district.
They expected their children to succeed academically, but most were
performing poorly. African-American students were lagging far behind
their white classmates in every measure of academic success:
grade-point average, standardized test scores, and enrollment in
advanced-placement courses. On average, black students earned a 1.9
GPA while their white counterparts held down an average of 3.45. Other
indicators were equally dismal. It made no sense.
When these depressing statistics were published in a high school
newspaper in mid-1997, black parents were troubled by the news and
upset that the newspaper had exposed the problem in such a public way.
Seeking guidance, one parent called a prominent authority on minority
academic achievement.
UC Berkeley Anthropology Professor John Ogbu had spent decades
studying how the members of different ethnic groups perform
academically. He'd studied student coping strategies at inner-city
schools in Washington, DC. He'd looked at African Americans and
Latinos in Oakland and Stockton and examined how they compare to
racial and ethnic minorities in India, Israel, Japan, New Zealand, and
Britain. His research often focused on why some groups are more
successful than others.
But Ogbu couldn't help his caller. He explained that he was a
researcher -- not an educator -- and that he had no ideas about how to
increase the academic performance of students in a district he hadn't
yet studied. A few weeks later, he got his chance. A group of parents
hungry for solutions convinced the school district to join with them
and formally invite the black anthropologist to visit Shaker Heights.
Their discussions prompted Ogbu to propose a research project to
figure out just what was happening. The district agreed to finance the
study, and parents offered him unlimited access to their children and
their homes.
The professor and his research assistant moved to Shaker Heights for
nine months in mid-1997. They reviewed data and test scores. The team
observed 110 different classes, from kindergarten all the way through
high school. They conducted exhaustive interviews with school
personnel, black parents, and students. Their project yielded an
unexpected conclusion: It wasn't socioeconomics, school funding, or
racism, that accounted for the students' poor academic performance; it
was their own attitudes, and those of their parents.
Nobama
>What was the Clinton coal scandal all about?
A large part of America's energy dependence on foreign sources can be
traced to Sept. 18, 1996, when President Bill Clinton stood on the
edge of the Grand Canyon on the Arizona side and signed an executive
proclamation making 1.7 million acres of Utah a new national monument.
...At the time, the Clintons were worried that Ralph Nader's presence
on the ballot in a few Western states would draw green votes from
Clinton in a race that promised to be close after the GOP retook
Congress two years earlier.
In fact, the declaration of 1.7 million Utah acres as a national
monument, thereby depriving an energy-starved U.S. up to 62 billion
tons of environmentally safe low-sulfur coal worth $1.2 trillion and
minable with minimal surface impact, was a political payoff to the
family of James Riady.
He's the son of Lippo Group owner Mochtar Riady. James was found
guilty of -- and paid a multimillion dollar fine for -- funneling more
than $1 million in illegal political contributions through Lippo Bank
into various American political campaigns, including Bill Clinton's
presidential run in 1992.
Clinton took off the world market the largest known deposit of
clean-burning coal. And who owned and controlled the second-largest
deposit in the world of this clean coal? The Indonesian Lippo Group of
James Riady. It is found and strip-mined on the Indonesian island of
Kalimantan.
The Utah reserve contains a kind of low-sulfur, low-ash and therefore
low-polluting coal that can be found in only a couple of places in the
world. It burns so cleanly that it meets the requirements of the Clean
Air Act without additional technology.
"The mother of all land grabs," Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, said at the
time. He has called what was designated as the Grande Staircase of the
Escalante National Monument the "Saudi Arabia of coal." -- Investor's
Business Daily
When the Clintons were in office previously, Bill helped out a crooked
campaign contributor by using the power of the federal government to
prevent a competitor from arising and as a bonus, he got to portray
himself as a friend to the environment.
Now, Hillary is running for President and telling people, "we have got
to take a hard look at clean coal." Yet, it was the Clintons who
prevented the mining of the "largest known deposit of clean-burning
coal" on the planet.
This is just one more story that reveals the dishonesty, sleaze, and
corruption that cuts right down to Bill & Hill's core.
miles
> In fact, the declaration of 1.7 million Utah acres as a national
> monument, thereby depriving an energy-starved U.S. up to 62 billion
> tons of environmentally safe low-sulfur coal
Yep! Instead of allowing Utah coal to be used it gave China a massive
boost in coal production. Good move Clinton!
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>...gave China a massive
>boost ...
Bush and Cheney sold you to China.
http://mindprod.com/politics/bush911insidejob.html
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Nobama
>My President is back from Asia
>where he had a highly
>successful trip.
He was not able to accomplish anything. The ChiComs are able to
shepherd him around on their terms, not his. He appeared weak, small,
and he didn't even leave with anything prearranged to be announced as
a positive on the trip, which is hard to believe. Presidents usually
don't fly off and ad-lib. But with Obama and his narcissism and his
being so self-impressed with his own personality, I guess he thought
that would carry the day but apparently it did not. Yeah, what do you
have to arrange when you surrender? A good question.
Nobama
>Pres. Clinton really knew how
>to fight a war.
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/khartoumbomb.html
Bill Clinton Bombs an Aspirin Factory
The following are ten articles, in reverse chronological order, about
the US cruise missile demolition of a pharmaceuticals factory in
Sudan.
(...)
hal
>The professor and his research assistant moved to Shaker Heights for
>nine months in mid-1997. They reviewed data and test scores. The team
>observed 110 different classes, from kindergarten all the way through
>high school. They conducted exhaustive interviews with school
>personnel, black parents, and students. Their project yielded an
>unexpected conclusion: It wasn't socioeconomics, school funding, or
>racism, that accounted for the students' poor academic performance; it
>was their own attitudes, and those of their parents.
Then by definition it's social, therefore "socioeconomic". So you
racist rightards contradict yourself in the very same sentence.
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>... not able to accomplish anything...
You can still just make a fool of yourself in public.
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Nobama
>Didn't Clinton reform welfare?
"Workfare" was an arm-twisted compromise with the Congress.
Don't give Willie too much credit for it.
And now Obama has restored the old AFDC scheme.
Nobama
>So you're saying that Clinton was our worst President.
That "honor" belongs to Obama followed by Carter .... then comes
Clinton.
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that'd stop Bush from murdering thousands of
Americans for fun and profit.
Nobama
>I'm getting quite an education.
All the moonbat libs tuning in are getting an education along with a
healthy dose of disillusionment.
No thanks necessary, sonny.
It's my pleasure.
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>I'm getting quite an education.
You still seem to be really ignorant, though.
Nobama
And speaking of education .... your liberal govt. educators have
dumbed-down the system to increase diversity and enhance self esteem
-- at the expense of learning. That's a typical leftist construct.
Won't be long before we'll see Magilla Gorilla in cap-and-gown walking
up on stage to get his diploma.
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>dumbed-down ...
You're down about as far as dumbed goes.