Re: UK Muslim body: Israeli officials should face arrest - More evidence for MEL GIBSONS OUTBURST.
mose
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> Zora Starr wrote:
>> UK Muslim body: Israeli officials should face arrest
>> Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:17:01 GMT
>>
>>
>> A leading Muslim organization in Britain has voiced outrage at the UK
>> government's promise to reverse the British legal system's jurisdiction
>> over suspected Israeli war criminals.
>
> The whole thing is completely absurd.
>
> Why are Hamas officials not being arrested for firing missiles at
> civilians? Using civilians as human shields?
BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT, JUST ANOTHER JEWISH/ISRAELI LIE BEING PUSHED BY THE
JEWS WORLD WIDE LIKE YOU ARE, ABSOLUTE LIARS IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOOUR
TALMUD.
U NO LIKE THE HOLOHOAX MILLIONS GASSED BUT NOT ONE BODY FOUND THAT DIED OF
BEING GASSED.
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=77354&d=4&m=8&y=2006
/ / But who talks of the Israeli abduction of a Palestinian
doctor and his brother from Gaza that led to the eventual
capture of these soldiers? Who even bothers to mention the
fact that 10,000 Palestinian prisoners languish in Israeli
jails? \ \
The UN resolution doesn't contain wording to include the
kidnapped innocent People ungodly Israel holds captive, for
Bolton's UN, doesn't want to the truth to come out that
Israel's attack against God was/is completely unjustified.
This didn't start with the capturing of criminal IDF
antiJews on lebanon soil, it started when Israel victimized
the innocent to steal or torture from US as the ungodly.
A free democacy doesn't vote to victimize themselves as the
enemy. Zionist nazi holocaust deniers do though as enemies of
the Jewish State of Israel To-day.
(one of now gotta be hundreds of reports absent CNN, CBC, and FOXNews)
ISRAEL ADMITS NO HEZBOLLAH ROCKETS FIRED FROM QANA
(what's mass murder between nazis anyway?)
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/745185.html
http://scotland.indymedia.org/usermedia/audio/6/nazi_israel.mp3
http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/2006/07/nazi_israel.mp3
http://media.indypgh.org/uploads/2006/07/nazi_israel.mp3
http://www.indymedia.no/usermedia/audio/6/nazi_israel.mp3
http://hamilton.indymedia.org/usermedia/audio/7/Nazi_Israel.mp3
http://istanbul.indymedia.org/uploads/2006/07/nazi_israel.mp3
http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2006/07/nazi_israel.mp3
God vs. Nazi Israel
Zionist Israel is attempting to demonize Jews just like the
Nazis did. Attempting by bogus poll to suggest near 90% of
"Jews" support indiscriminate murder of families fleeing in
cars, the elderly hunkered in apartment buildings, the
stealing of our properties, including desperately needed food
and water, and the needless destruction of a democratic
nation's infrastructure. Condi, demon witch of 911, has
suggested that we all should donate our wealths to rebuild,
after her child Israel has completed their mission to murder
anyone who supports freedom from clear to all but the
AND THEY GIVE THEMSELVES MEDALS FOR THIS??
The IDF has no mercy for the children in Gaza nursery schools
By Gideon Levy, Haaretz Correspondent
The fighting in Gaza http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1055574.html
is "war deluxe." Compared with previous wars, it is child's play - pilots
bombing unimpeded as if on practice runs, tank and artillery soldiers
shelling houses and civilians from their armored vehicles, combat
engineering troops destroying entire streets in their ominous protected
vehicles without facing serious opposition.
http://www.inminds.co.uk/card/card27.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_dQz86Ve8w
http://www.truthout.org/010809R
"This is a shocking incident," said Pierre Wettach, the Red Cross's head of
delegation for Israel and the Palestinian territories. "The Israeli
military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the
wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestine Red
Crescent to assist the wounded."
This is a shocking incident," said Pierre Wettach, the Red Cross's head of
delegation for Israel and the Palestinian territories. "The Israeli
military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the
wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestine Red
Crescent to assist the wounded."
What about this obama , going to wait for them to starve to death? These are
no christian soldiers handing out chocolate bars.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=y3uYXWtd684
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5215366.stm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/15/israel-shells-un-headquar_n_158078.html
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Proof Israel lies
Jan 24, 2009 8:28 AM Report Abuse
In a thread I was taken to task because I claimed Israel routinely lies.
Now
a few days later a major British newspaper proves my case:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5575070.ece
Once again Israel has been shown to lie over its tactics in battle. Here's
the timeline exposed by the Times newspaper:
January 5 The Times reports that telltale smoke has appeared from areas of
shelling. Israel denies using phosphorus
January 8 The Times reports photographic evidence showing stockpiles of
white phosphorus (WP) shells. Israel Defence Forces spokesman says: "This
is
what we call a quiet shell - it has no explosives and no white phosphorus"
January 12 The Times reports that more than 50 phosphorus burns victims
are
taken into Nasser Hospital. An Israeli military spokesman "categorically"
denies the use of white phosphorus
January 15 Remnants of white phosphorus shells are found in western Gaza.
The IDF refuses to comment on specific weaponry but insists ammunition is
"within the scope of international law"
January 16 The United Nations Relief and Works Agency headquarters are hit
with phosphorus munitions. The Israeli military continues to deny its use
January 21 Avital Leibovich, Israel's military spokeswoman, admits white
phosphorus munitions were employed in a manner "according to international
law"
January 23 Israel says it is launching an investigation into white
phosphorus munitions, which hit a UN school on January 17. "Some practices
could be illegal but we are going into that. The IDF is holding an
investigation concerning one specific unit and one incident" Source: Times
database
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Friday January 23, 2009, 8:37 am
Jan 22, 2009
Western governments and most of the Western media have accepted a number
of
Israeli claims justifying the military assault on Gaza: that Hamas
consistently violated the six-month truce that Israel observed and then
refused to extend it; that Israel therefore had no choice but to destroy
Hamas's capacity to launch missiles into Israeli towns; that Hamas is a
terrorist organisation, part of a global jihadi network; and that Israel
has
acted not only in its own defence but on behalf of an international
struggle
by Western democracies against this network.
I am not aware of a single major American newspaper, radio station or TV
channel whose coverage of the assault on Gaza questions this version of
events. Criticism of Israel's actions, if any (and there has been none
from
the Bush administration), has focused instead on whether the IDF's carnage
is proportional to the threat it sought to counter, and whether it is
taking
adequate measures to prevent civilian casualties.
Middle East peacemaking has been smothered in deceptive euphemisms, so let
me state bluntly that each of these claims is a lie. Israel, not Hamas,
violated the truce: Hamas undertook to stop firing rockets into Israel; in
return, Israel was to ease its throttlehold on Gaza. In fact, during the
truce, it tightened it further. This was confirmed not only by every
neutral
international observer and NGO on the scene but by Brigadier General
(Res.)
Shmuel Zakai, a former commander of the IDF's Gaza Division. In an
interview
in Ha'aretz on 22 December, he accused Israel's government of having made
a
'central error' during the tahdiyeh, the six-month period of relative
truce,
by failing 'to take advantage of the calm to improve, rather than markedly
worsen, the economic plight of the Palestinians of the Strip . . . When
you
create a tahdiyeh, and the economic pressure on the Strip continues,'
General Zakai said, 'it is obvious that Hamas will try to reach an
improved
tahdiyeh, and that their way to achieve this is resumed Qassam fire . . .
You cannot just land blows, leave the Palestinians in Gaza in the economic
distress they're in, and expect that Hamas will just sit around and do
nothing.'
The truce, which began in June last year and was due for renewal in
December, required both parties to refrain from violent action against the
other. Hamas had to cease its rocket assaults and prevent the firing of
rockets by other groups such as Islamic Jihad (even Israel's intelligence
agencies acknowledged this had been implemented with surprising
effectiveness), and Israel had to put a stop to its targeted
assassinations
and military incursions. This understanding was seriously violated on 4
November, when the IDF entered Gaza and killed six members of Hamas. Hamas
responded by launching Qassam rockets and Grad missiles. Even so, it
offered
to extend the truce, but only on condition that Israel ended its blockade.
Israel refused. It could have met its obligation to protect its citizens
by
agreeing to ease the blockade, but it didn't even try. It cannot be said
that Israel launched its assault to protect its citizens from rockets. It
did so to protect its right to continue the strangulation of Gaza's
population.
Everyone seems to have forgotten that Hamas declared an end to suicide
bombings and rocket fire when it decided to join the Palestinian political
process, and largely stuck to it for more than a year. Bush publicly
welcomed that decision, citing it as an example of the success of his
campaign for democracy in the Middle East. (He had no other success to
point
to.) When Hamas unexpectedly won the election, Israel and the US
immediately
sought to delegitimise the result and embraced Mahmoud Abbas, the head of
Fatah, who until then had been dismissed by Israel's leaders as a 'plucked
chicken'. They armed and trained his security forces to overthrow Hamas;
and
when Hamas - brutally, to be sure - pre-empted this violent attempt to
reverse the result of the first honest democratic election in the modern
Middle East, Israel and the Bush administration imposed the blockade.
Israel seeks to counter these indisputable facts by maintaining that in
withdrawing Israeli settlements from Gaza in 2005, Ariel Sharon gave Hamas
the chance to set out on the path to statehood, a chance it refused to
take;
instead, it transformed Gaza into a launching-pad for firing missiles at
Israel's civilian population. The charge is a lie twice over. First, for
all
its failings, Hamas brought to Gaza a level of law and order unknown in
recent years, and did so without the large sums of money that donors
showered on the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority. It eliminated the violent
gangs and warlords who terrorised Gaza under Fatah's rule. Non-observant
Muslims, Christians and other minorities have more religious freedom under
Hamas rule than they would have in Saudi Arabia, for example, or under
many
other Arab regimes.
The greater lie is that Sharon's withdrawal from Gaza was intended as a
prelude to further withdrawals and a peace agreement. This is how Sharon's
senior adviser Dov Weisglass, who was also his chief negotiator with the
Americans, described the withdrawal from Gaza, in an interview with
Ha'aretz
in August 2004:
What I effectively agreed to with the Americans was that part of the
settlements [i.e. the major settlement blocks on the West Bank] would not
be
dealt with at all, and the rest will not be dealt with until the
Palestinians turn into Finns . . . The significance [of the agreement with
the US] is the freezing of the political process. And when you freeze that
process, you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state and you
prevent a discussion about the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem.
Effectively, this whole package that is called the Palestinian state, with
all that it entails, has been removed from our agenda indefinitely. And
all
this with [President Bush's] authority and permission . . . and the
ratification of both houses of Congress.
Do the Israelis and Americans think that Palestinians don't read the
Israeli
papers, or that when they saw what was happening on the West Bank they
couldn't figure out for themselves what Sharon was up to?
Israel's government would like the world to believe that Hamas launched
its
Qassam rockets because that is what terrorists do and Hamas is a generic
terrorist group. In fact, Hamas is no more a 'terror organisation'
(Israel's
preferred term) than the Zionist movement was during its struggle for a
Jewish homeland. In the late 1930s and 1940s, parties within the Zionist
movement resorted to terrorist activities for strategic reasons. According
to Benny Morris, it was the Irgun that first targeted civilians. He writes
in Righteous Victims that an upsurge of Arab terrorism in 1937 'triggered
a
wave of Irgun bombings against Arab crowds and buses, introducing a new
dimension to the conflict'. He also documents atrocities committed during
the 1948-49 war by the IDF, admitting in a 2004 interview, published in
Ha'aretz,
that material released by Israel's Ministry of Defence showed that 'there
were far more Israeli acts of massacre than I had previously thought . . .
In the months of April-May 1948, units of the Haganah were given
operational
orders that stated explicitly that they were to uproot the villagers,
expel
them, and destroy the villages themselves.' In a number of Palestinian
villages and towns the IDF carried out organised executions of civilians.
Asked by Ha'aretz whether he condemned the ethnic cleansing, Morris
replied
that he did not:
A Jewish state would not have come into being without the uprooting of
700,000 Palestinians. Therefore it was necessary to uproot them. There was
no choice but to expel that population. It was necessary to cleanse the
hinterland and cleanse the border areas and cleanse the main roads. It was
necessary to cleanse the villages from which our convoys and our
settlements
were fired on.
In other words, when Jews target and kill innocent civilians to advance
their national struggle, they are patriots. When their adversaries do so,
they are terrorists.
It is too easy to describe Hamas simply as a 'terror organisation'. It is
a
religious nationalist movement that resorts to terrorism, as the Zionist
movement did during its struggle for statehood, in the mistaken belief
that
it is the only way to end an oppressive occupation and bring about a
Palestinian state. While Hamas's ideology formally calls for that state to
be established on the ruins of the state of Israel, this doesn't determine
Hamas's actual policies today any more than the same declaration in the
PLO
charter determined Fatah's actions.
These are not the conclusions of an apologist for Hamas but the opinions
of
the former head of Mossad and Sharon's national security adviser, Ephraim
Halevy. The Hamas leadership has undergone a change 'right under our very
noses', Halevy wrote recently in Yedioth Ahronoth, by recognising that
'its
ideological goal is not attainable and will not be in the foreseeable
future.' It is now ready and willing to see the establishment of a
Palestinian state within the temporary borders of 1967. Halevy noted that
while Hamas has not said how 'temporary' those borders would be, 'they
know
that the moment a Palestinian state is established with their
co-operation,
they will be obligated to change the rules of the game: they will have to
adopt a path that could lead them far from their original ideological
goals.'
In an earlier article, Halevy also pointed out the absurdity of linking
Hamas to al-Qaida.
In the eyes of al-Qaida, the members of Hamas are perceived as heretics
due
to their stated desire to participate, even indirectly, in processes of
any
understandings or agreements with Israel. [The Hamas political bureau
chief,
Khaled] Mashal's declaration diametrically contradicts al-Qaida's
approach,
and provides Israel with an opportunity, perhaps a historic one, to
leverage
it for the better.
Why then are Israel's leaders so determined to destroy Hamas? Because they
believe that its leadership, unlike that of Fatah, cannot be intimidated
into accepting a peace accord that establishes a Palestinian 'state' made
up
of territorially disconnected entities over which Israel would be able to
retain permanent control. Control of the West Bank has been the unwavering
objective of Israel's military, intelligence and political elites since
the
end of the Six-Day War.[*] They believe that Hamas would not permit such a
cantonisation of Palestinian territory, no matter how long the occupation
continues. They may be wrong about Abbas and his superannuated cohorts,
but
they are entirely right about Hamas.
Middle East observers wonder whether Israel's assault on Hamas will
succeed
in destroying the organisation or expelling it from Gaza. This is an
irrelevant question. If Israel plans to keep control over any future
Palestinian entity, it will never find a Palestinian partner, and even if
it
succeeds in dismantling Hamas, the movement will in time be replaced by a
far more radical Palestinian opposition.
If Barack Obama picks a seasoned Middle East envoy who clings to the idea
that outsiders should not present their own proposals for a just and
sustainable peace agreement, much less press the parties to accept it, but
instead leave them to work out their differences, he will assure a future
Palestinian resistance far more extreme than Hamas - one likely to be
allied
with al-Qaida. For the US, Europe and most of the rest of the world, this
would be the worst possible outcome. Perhaps some Israelis, including the
settler leadership, believe it would serve their purposes, since it would
provide the government with a compelling pretext to hold on to all of
Palestine. But this is a delusion that would bring about the end of Israel
as a Jewish and democratic state.
Anthony Cordesman, one of the most reliable military analysts of the
Middle
East, and a friend of Israel, argued in a 9 January report for the Center
for Strategic and International Studies that the tactical advantages of
continuing the operation in Gaza were outweighed by the strategic cost -
and
were probably no greater than any gains Israel may have made early in the
war in selective strikes on key Hamas facilities. 'Has Israel somehow
blundered into a steadily escalating war without a clear strategic goal,
or
at least one it can credibly achieve?' he asks. 'Will Israel end in
empowering an enemy in political terms that it defeated in tactical terms?
Will Israel's actions seriously damage the US position in the region, any
hope of peace, as well as moderate Arab regimes and voices in the process?
To be blunt, the answer so far seems to be yes.' Cordesman concludes that
'any leader can take a tough stand and claim that tactical gains are a
meaningful victory. If this is all that Olmert, Livni and Barak have for
an
answer, then they have disgraced themselves and damaged their country and
their friends.'
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Robert Fisk: Why do they hate the West so much, we will ask
Wednesday, 7 January 2009
So once again, Israel has opened the gates of hell to the Palestinians.
Forty civilian refugees dead in a United Nations school, three more in
another. Not bad for a night's work in Gaza by the army that believes in
"purity of arms". But why should we be surprised?
Have we forgotten the 17,500 dead - almost all civilians, most of them
children and women - in Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon; the 1,700
Palestinian civilian dead in the Sabra-Chatila massacre; the 1996 Qana
massacre of 106 Lebanese civilian refugees, more than half of them
children,
at a UN base; the massacre of the Marwahin refugees who were ordered from
their homes by the Israelis in 2006 then slaughtered by an Israeli
helicopter crew; the 1,000 dead of that same 2006 bombardment and Lebanese
invasion, almost all of them civilians?
What is amazing is that so many Western leaders, so many presidents and
prime ministers and, I fear, so many editors and journalists, bought the
old
lie; that Israelis take such great care to avoid civilian casualties.
"Israel makes every possible effort to avoid civilian casualties," yet
another Israeli ambassador said only hours before the Gaza massacre. And
every president and prime minister who repeated this mendacity as an
excuse
to avoid a ceasefire has the blood of last night's butchery on their
hands.
Had George Bush had the courage to demand an immediate ceasefire 48 hours
earlier, those 40 civilians, the old and the women and children, would be
alive.
What happened was not just shameful. It was a disgrace. Would war crime be
too strong a description? For that is what we would call this atrocity if
it
had been committed by Hamas. So a war crime, I'm afraid, it was. After
covering so many mass murders by the armies of the Middle East - by Syrian
troops, by Iraqi troops, by Iranian troops, by Israeli troops - I suppose
cynicism should be my reaction. But Israel claims it is fighting our war
against "international terror". The Israelis claim they are fighting in
Gaza
for us, for our Western ideals, for our security, for our safety, by our
standards. And so we are also complicit in the savagery now being visited
upon Gaza.
I've reported the excuses the Israeli army has served up in the past for
these outrages. Since they may well be reheated in the coming hours, here
are some of them: that the Palestinians killed their own refugees, that
the
Palestinians dug up bodies from cemeteries and planted them in the ruins,
that ultimately the Palestinians are to blame because they supported an
armed faction, or because armed Palestinians deliberately used the
innocent
refugees as cover.
http://www.indymedia.no/usermedia/audio/6/nazi_israel.mp3
http://hamilton.indymedia.org/usermedia/audio/7/Nazi_Israel.mp3
http://istanbul.indymedia.org/uploads/2006/07/nazi_israel.mp3
http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2006/07/nazi_israel.mp3
"It might have been Hezbollah." Olmert, the anti-Jew spew.
They'll say, "Well.. it could have been a Hezbollah hide-out.
We know they'll put themselves among civilians, they're so
terrible. Willing to kill innocent Lebanese people." And
then, they'll bomb bomb shelters, or apartment buildings.
They won't warn anybody, but just say they did and corporate
news America will refuse to confirm or deny the made routinely
baseless allegations THROUGH their/OUR "unbiased", we don't
need any evidence, bin Laden did it, broadcasts.
>> The apologetic move by the British government came after a Westminster
>> magistrates' court convicted former Israeli foreign minister Tzipi Livni
>> of links to Israel's atrocities in the Gaza Strip at the turn of the
>> year. The tribunal, accordingly, issued Livni an arrest warrant. In
>> response, Foreign Secretary David Miliband vowed to change the law so
>> that judges could no longer issue arrest warrants against Israeli
>> officials or military officers. "You appear to be committing the
>> government to the path of selective compliance with the enforcement of
>> international law," the Muslim Council of Britain's Secretary General
>> Muhammad Abdul Bari wrote in a letter to Miliband. "This is surely not in
>> the best interests of our country as it will add a further dimension to
>> the double standards that our government is seen to have in relation to
>> the politics of the Middle East," the letter added, the Associated Press
>> reported. The Israeli massacre, which left more than 1,400 Palestinians
>> dead during the December 2008-January 2009 onslaught, has ever since been
>> triggering international disquiet. A notable high-profile condemnation of
>> the raids came when a UN-commissioned fact-finding mission issued a
>> 575-page report mostly highlighting the Israeli aggression against the
>> people in the beleaguered coastal sliver. The report documented
>> deliberate targeting of centers, such as schools and mosques, known to be
>> holding civilians. Tel Aviv, however, has been invariably in strict
>> denial of the convictions, claiming it had to "act in the face of
>> terrorism." Several Israeli officials have canceled visits to Britain
>> because of similar arrest warrants issued after the carnage. HN/MMN
>>
>> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=114507§ionid=351020601
>>
>> url:http://www.myreader.co.uk/gp/1212-1.aspx