Windows 7 installation hell
Dänk 666
installed it yet, I hate it already.
After experimenting with my old computer, I successfully partitioned
my hard drive and re-installed XP along with Slackware 13.1, with my
goal being of installing Windows 7 and Slackware on my current
computer.
Unfortunately, Microsoft has decided to fight piracy by requiring that
upgrades be installed on a computer that already has a registered
version of the previous version of Windows. Since I plan to re-format
and re-partition my HDD, I will erase my Vista installation.
I could re-install Vista, except Dell decided to do their customers a
favor by no longer shipping installation discs with new computers,
meaning I have no Vista disc to re-install, meaning I can't install
the Win7 upgrade. Dell support was kind enough to SELL me a
replacement disc, for $11 plus $7 S&H plus tax.
Meanwhile, I downloaded the Slackware 13.1 64-bit installation disc
for free, installed it without any product keys or proof that I owned
a previous version, and once it installed it did everything Windows
does only faster. The KDE desktop environment looks even sleeker than
Windows, and I am not limited to just desktop environment, and can
choose a lighter one like XFCE for extra performance when running
intensive applications like video editing.
I have a feeling that this will be my last purchase of a Microsoft
product. Linux is not necessarily more complex than Windows, just
different. I grew up using a Macintosh, and its ease of use came at
the expense of making users retarded, forcing them to stay with the
Apple/Mac line, a business model that Microsoft has since adopted.
Matt
> I just bought the Windows 7 upgrade, and even though I haven't
> installed it yet, I hate it already.
>
> After experimenting with my old computer, I successfully partitioned
> my hard drive and re-installed XP along with Slackware 13.1, with my
> goal being of installing Windows 7 and Slackware on my current
> computer.
>
> Unfortunately, Microsoft has decided to fight piracy by requiring that
> upgrades be installed on a computer that already has a registered
> version of the previous version of Windows. Since I plan to re-format
> and re-partition my HDD, I will erase my Vista installation.
You bought an upgrade, and then complain that they require some
version
of Windows before you install.
Hm. Sounds like whining to me.
>
> I could re-install Vista, except Dell decided to do their customers a
> favor by no longer shipping installation discs with new computers,
> meaning I have no Vista disc to re-install, meaning I can't install
> the Win7 upgrade. Dell support was kind enough to SELL me a
> replacement disc, for $11 plus $7 S&H plus tax.
You were allowed to create "restore" disks at the time you had your
computer. You didn't read your instructions.
Hm.
>
> Meanwhile, I downloaded the Slackware 13.1 64-bit installation disc
> for free, installed it without any product keys or proof that I owned
> a previous version, and once it installed it did everything Windows
> does only faster. The KDE desktop environment looks even sleeker than
> Windows, and I am not limited to just desktop environment, and can
> choose a lighter one like XFCE for extra performance when running
> intensive applications like video editing.
Cool. Go for it!
Don't whine when Linux doesn't do anything you want it to, or that you
can't
configure the programs, k?
Matt
(30 years of experience in computers, can install Unix in his sleep,
prefers Windows).
ray
Cool. Perhaps you should have installed the upgrade before you erased the
old version. For the record, I haven't used MS since win98 - don't miss
it much either except that I miss all the aggravation involved in virus
checking, defragmenting, etc.
relic
"D�nk 666" <dan...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:c223832e-d3e5-4a1e...@l22g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> I just bought the Windows 7 upgrade, and even though I haven't
> installed it yet, I hate it already.
>
> After experimenting with my old computer, I successfully partitioned
> my hard drive and re-installed XP along with Slackware 13.1, with my
> goal being of installing Windows 7 and Slackware on my current
> computer.
>
> Unfortunately, Microsoft has decided to fight piracy by requiring that
> upgrades be installed on a computer that already has a registered
> version of the previous version of Windows. Since I plan to re-format
> and re-partition my HDD, I will erase my Vista installation.
All you had to do was ask in a Windows 7 support group, 'how' to do it is
well known.
The Windows 7 upgrade will do a clean installation. Just don't activate it,
then install it on top of itself and activate it.
LSMFT
Give up Windows for good. You'll feel better. You can run a version as a
VM with a linux host if you really need it for something, eventually you
won't any more, I don't.
--
LSmFT
I'm trying to think but nothing happens............
philo
> I just bought the Windows 7 upgrade, and even though I haven't
> installed it yet, I hate it already.
>
> After experimenting with my old computer, I successfully partitioned
> my hard drive and re-installed XP along with Slackware 13.1, with my
> goal being of installing Windows 7 and Slackware on my current
> computer.
>
> Unfortunately, Microsoft has decided to fight piracy by requiring that
> upgrades be installed on a computer that already has a registered
> version of the previous version of Windows. Since I plan to re-format
> and re-partition my HDD, I will erase my Vista installation.
>
Though I switched over to Linux full time about two years ago...
I still need to support Windows machines.
IIRC you can actually install Win7
and use that unactivated installation to serve as a qualifying product...
Mysterious Traveler
no telling how much more he sold since then. Dump Windows, get a
refund on your upgrade.
--
Jack
"Mysterious Traveler" <mysteriou...@dot.net> wrote in message
news:68CdnagzPefehcXQ...@giganews.com...
> On 02/13/2011 07:32 AM, LSMFT wrote:
Idiot! Two people have replied to the OP on how to install the 'upgrade'
version as a 'full' version, yet you still respond with this crap. Go away.
Mysterious Traveler
>
> "Mysterious Traveler" <mysteriou...@dot.net> wrote in message
> news:68CdnagzPefehcXQ...@giganews.com...
>> On 02/13/2011 07:32 AM, LSMFT wrote:
you Jackass, Windows is crap. You go away you POS.
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relic
PKB.
Zac Browne
<mysteriou...@dot.net> wrote:
>I don't give a damn how many people told him how to do the upgrade
>you Jackass, Windows is crap. You go away you POS.
It works fine for a few hundred million of us. Let me know when linux
(all distros combined, if you like) gets to that point. I'll wait.
Spalls Hurgenson
>
>"D�nk 666" <dan...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
>news:c223832e-d3e5-4a1e...@l22g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>The Windows 7 upgrade will do a clean installation. Just don't activate it,
>then install it on top of itself and activate it.
Actually, you may not even have to do that. I've installed Win7
upgrades as clean installs and activated them with no problem...
sometimes. Other times I have to follow the advice given above (e.g.,
double-install). I've never quite been able to figure out why the
former works on one machine and the latter is required on another, but
since the solution is so easy I've never bothered to look for a
reason.
See the site below for more hints. And don't complain too much; you
paid significantly less for the "upgrade" version versus the "full"
version, after all.
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows-7/clean-install-windows-7-with-upgrade-media.aspx
BillW50
ray typed on 12 Feb 2011 22:50:12 GMT:
> ... For the record, I haven't used MS since win98 -
> don't miss it much either except that I miss all the aggravation
> involved in virus checking, defragmenting, etc.
I don't check for viruses, my real-time AV does that by itself in the
background. And I never saw any gains from defragging since we stopped
using MFM drives. So I don't bother with that either. So what is the
etc?
--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era)
Centrino Core Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3
ray
> In news:8roh54...@mid.individual.net, ray typed on 12 Feb 2011
> 22:50:12 GMT:
>> ... For the record, I haven't used MS since win98 - don't miss it much
>> either except that I miss all the aggravation involved in virus
>> checking, defragmenting, etc.
>
> I don't check for viruses, my real-time AV does that by itself in the
> background. And I never saw any gains from defragging since we stopped
> using MFM drives. So I don't bother with that either. So what is the
> etc?
OK - so you don't check for viruses - your real time AV does that by
itself. You didn't spend any time or money installing it - you never
update it and it does not use any machine cycles in doing the checks -
and it never interferes with anything else. Hard to imagine.
Calvin Ramsey
Point being: If you use Windows for anything, you'd better have an AV
program installed.
BillW50
Many can, but I stopped paying for AV after the 90's. And AVG was great
in the beginning. But it started to get slow and bloated. Then I
switched over to Avast and that one you don't even know it is running
even on a Celeron 900MHz underclocked to 633MHz.
Btw, I even run a AV under Linux too. And I think it is foolish if you
don't.
--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Ubuntu 9.10 Netbook Remix Linux
BillW50
This is true no matter which system you run under. I got one for Xandros
Linux, but I am still looking for one under Ubuntu.
ray
Only reason I've ever found to run AV software on Linux is if the machine
is serving mail to MS clients.
Calvin Ramsey
Not exactly true. I've ran my Linux box for going on nine years now
without any anti-virus protection. I do however have a firewall and
email client with medium-strict rules enforced.
BillW50
> Only reason I've ever found to run AV software on Linux is if the machine
> is serving mail to MS clients.
The reason why I use Linux AV is to keep Linux rootkits off of my
systems. They have been around since '91 for *nix. And only a newcomer
in the Windows world.
And it is so easy to hack into Linux and gain root access without a
password. The simple way is through a buffer overflow loophole. Yes just
like it is done under Windows.
ray
> ray wrote:
>> Only reason I've ever found to run AV software on Linux is if the
>> machine is serving mail to MS clients.
>
> The reason why I use Linux AV is to keep Linux rootkits off of my
> systems. They have been around since '91 for *nix. And only a newcomer
> in the Windows world.
>
> And it is so easy to hack into Linux and gain root access without a
> password. The simple way is through a buffer overflow loophole. Yes just
> like it is done under Windows.
You obviously know more about it than I do, but I've never seen it happen
in 10 years of running wide open Linux systems.
BillW50
How would you know? Rootkits are very clever and they hide so the user
(and even fool AV once they are installed) never knows they are there.
That is why I think somebody should do a random study on this to see how
many Linux users are actually infected and don't even know it.
I believe the biggest danger of Linux users is believing that nobody
ever gets infected and thus don't even worry about security. Windows
users for the most part knows the danger and learns how to keep all
viruses off of their system anyway. Hell lots of Linux users don't even
have a firewall. That prevents 99.9% of the problem right there. This
has been built into Windows since XP.
Greegor
> even on a Celeron 900MHz underclocked to 633MHz.
Why do you underclock?
Milt
> I just bought the Windows 7 upgrade, and even though I haven't
> installed it yet, I hate it already.
>
> After experimenting with my old computer, I successfully partitioned
> my hard drive and re-installed XP along with Slackware 13.1, with my
> goal being of installing Windows 7 and Slackware on my current
> computer.
>
> Unfortunately, Microsoft has decided to fight piracy by requiring that
> upgrades be installed on a computer that already has a registered
> version of the previous version of Windows. Since I plan to re-format
> and re-partition my HDD, I will erase my Vista installation.
I have installed Windows 7 twice now, and it's simple as hell. The key
when you buy the upgrade version is to -- and this is key here -- to
actually do an upgrade, as described on box or disc when you purchased
it.
All you had to do to avoid all of this was to buy the full version of
Windows 7. Would have cost a few more bucks, but you could have put it
on a reformatted, repartitioned HDD.
Sounds to me like you wanted to skirt the rules and are pissed that
you can't. Don't blame it on MS. There are plenty of other things to
blame on MS; that's not one.
Char Jackson
wrote:
>On Feb 12, 4:51 pm, Dänk 666 <dank...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>> I just bought the Windows 7 upgrade, and even though I haven't
>> installed it yet, I hate it already.
>>
>> After experimenting with my old computer, I successfully partitioned
>> my hard drive and re-installed XP along with Slackware 13.1, with my
>> goal being of installing Windows 7 and Slackware on my current
>> computer.
>>
>> Unfortunately, Microsoft has decided to fight piracy by requiring that
>> upgrades be installed on a computer that already has a registered
>> version of the previous version of Windows. Since I plan to re-format
>> and re-partition my HDD, I will erase my Vista installation.
>
>I have installed Windows 7 twice now, and it's simple as hell. The key
>when you buy the upgrade version is to -- and this is key here -- to
>actually do an upgrade, as described on box or disc when you purchased
>it.
>
>All you had to do to avoid all of this was to buy the full version of
>Windows 7. Would have cost a few more bucks, but you could have put it
>on a reformatted, repartitioned HDD.
Not true. As others have already pointed out, the Upgrade version can
also be installed on a clean drive, just as the full Retail version
can.
relic
"Dänk 666" <dan...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:c223832e-d3e5-4a1e...@l22g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
Looking at the list of groups you've copied, you must be trolling. If you
actually want to learn how to install Windows 7, ask in
alt.windows7.general.
BillW50
news:f7fa51b5-61ab-40b4...@k38g2000vbn.googlegroups.com,
Greegor typed on Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:31:32 -0800 (PST):
> On Feb 16, 3:49 pm, BillW50 <Bill...@aol.kom> wrote:
>> even on a Celeron 900MHz underclocked to 633MHz.
>
> Why do you underclock?
Not my doing, Asus does this with their Celeron netbooks. I guess they
do this to keep the heat down. You can clock it up again with a third
party utility. But the gains are modest anyway. So I normally just leave
it underclocked.
Milt
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:55:02 -0800 (PST), Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com>
No. You can't. Legally or otherwise. Hence the articles showing a
"workaround."
Char Jackson
wrote:
>On Feb 19, 3:57 pm, Char Jackson <n...@none.invalid> wrote:
Actually, you can. Or at least everyone else can, even if you can't.
relic
"Char Jackson" <no...@none.invalid> wrote in message
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I used a W7 upgrade (legal for my old, retired XP system) for my brand new
system with new, never formatted disks. Worked fine. You're right, he's
wrong.
Char Jackson
I'm not sure he'll be convinced by mere facts and reality, but it's
worth a shot. ;-)
Richard Mahoney
> Only reason I've ever found to run AV software on Linux is if the machine
> is serving mail to MS clients.
Samba, too.
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