Anyone keeping up on the debate this evening ?
Rod
Snow, Linda....anyone, have you been keeping up on the debate
this evening ? Obama is embarrassing McCain, making him appear
the betrayer of confidence that he seems to be.
Any opinions on the contents of the debate ?
Rod
guardian Snow
Yeah, Vote independent and don't worry about the "lesser of two
evils". I'm not in a race and don't care who wins... so I vote my
heart and vote for those I do believe and it's neither of them.
Here is who I like:
Dear Friends:
The financial meltdown the economists of the Austrian School predicted
has arrived.
We are in this crisis because of an excess of artificially created
credit at the hands of the Federal Reserve System. The solution being
proposed? More artificial credit by the Federal Reserve. No
liquidation of bad debt and malinvestment is to be allowed. By doing
more of the same, we will only continue and intensify the distortions
in our economy - all the capital misallocation, all the malinvestment
- and prevent the market's attempt to re-establish rational pricing of
houses and other assets.
Last night the president addressed the nation about the financial
crisis. There is no point in going through his remarks line by line,
since I'd only be repeating what I've been saying over and over - not
just for the past several days, but for years and even decades.
Still, at least a few observations are necessary.
The president assures us that his administration "is working with
Congress to address the root cause behind much of the instability in
our markets." Care to take a guess at whether the Federal Reserve and
its money creation spree were even mentioned?
We are told that "low interest rates" led to excessive borrowing, but
we are not told how these low interest rates came about. They were a
deliberate policy of the Federal Reserve. As always, artificially low
interest rates distort the market. Entrepreneurs engage in
malinvestments - investments that do not make sense in light of
current resource availability, that occur in more temporally remote
stages of the capital structure than the pattern of consumer demand
can support, and that would not have been made at all if the interest
rate had been permitted to tell the truth instead of being toyed with
by the Fed.
Not a word about any of that, of course, because Americans might then
discover how the great wise men in Washington caused this great
debacle. Better to keep scapegoating the mortgage industry or "wildcat
capitalism" (as if we actually have a pure free market!).
Speaking about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the president said:
"Because these companies were chartered by Congress, many believed
they were guaranteed by the federal government. This allowed them to
borrow enormous sums of money, fuel the market for questionable
investments, and put our financial system at risk."
Doesn't that prove the foolishness of chartering Fannie and Freddie in
the first place? Doesn't that suggest that maybe, just maybe,
government may have contributed to this mess? And of course, by
bailing out Fannie and Freddie, hasn't the federal government shown
that the "many" who "believed they were guaranteed by the federal
government" were in fact correct?
Then come the scare tactics. If we don't give dictatorial powers to
the Treasury Secretary "the stock market would drop even more, which
would reduce the value of your retirement account. The value of your
home could plummet." Left unsaid, naturally, is that with the bailout
and all the money and credit that must be produced out of thin air to
fund it, the value of your retirement account will drop anyway,
because the value of the dollar will suffer a precipitous decline. As
for home prices, they are obviously much too high, and supply and
demand cannot equilibrate if government insists on propping them up.
It's the same destructive strategy that government tried during the
Great Depression: prop up prices at all costs. The Depression went on
for over a decade. On the other hand, when liquidation was allowed to
occur in the equally devastating downturn of 1921, the economy
recovered within less than a year.
The president also tells us that Senators McCain and Obama will join
him at the White House today in order to figure out how to get the
bipartisan bailout passed. The two senators would do their country
much more good if they stayed on the campaign trail debating who the
bigger celebrity is, or whatever it is that occupies their attention
these days.
F.A. Hayek won the Nobel Prize for showing how central banks'
manipulation of interest rates creates the boom-bust cycle with which
we are sadly familiar. In 1932, in the depths of the Great Depression,
he described the foolish policies being pursued in his day - and which
are being proposed, just as destructively, in our own:
Instead of furthering the inevitable liquidation of the maladjustments
brought about by the boom during the last three years, all conceivable
means have been used to prevent that readjustment from taking place;
and one of these means, which has been repeatedly tried though without
success, from the earliest to the most recent stages of depression,
has been this deliberate policy of credit expansion.
To combat the depression by a forced credit expansion is to attempt to
cure the evil by the very means which brought it about; because we are
suffering from a misdirection of production, we want to create further
misdirection - a procedure that can only lead to a much more severe
crisis as soon as the credit expansion comes to an end... It is
probably to this experiment, together with the attempts to prevent
liquidation once the crisis had come, that we owe the exceptional
severity and duration of the depression.
The only thing we learn from history, I am afraid, is that we do not
learn from history.
The very people who have spent the past several years assuring us that
the economy is fundamentally sound, and who themselves foolishly
cheered the extension of all these novel kinds of mortgages, are the
ones who now claim to be the experts who will restore prosperity! Just
how spectacularly wrong, how utterly without a clue, does someone have
to be before his expert status is called into question?
Oh, and did you notice that the bailout is now being called a "rescue
plan"? I guess "bailout" wasn't sitting too well with the American
people.
The very people who with somber faces tell us of their deep concern
for the spread of democracy around the world are the ones most
insistent on forcing a bill through Congress that the American people
overwhelmingly oppose. The very fact that some of you seem to think
you're supposed to have a voice in all this actually seems to annoy
them.
I continue to urge you to contact your representatives and give them a
piece of your mind. I myself am doing everything I can to promote the
correct point of view on the crisis. Be sure also to educate
yourselves on these subjects - the Campaign for Liberty blog is an
excellent place to start. Read the posts, ask questions in the comment
section, and learn.
H.G. Wells once said that civilization was in a race between education
and catastrophe. Let us learn the truth and spread it as far and wide
as our circumstances allow. For the truth is the greatest weapon we
have.
In liberty,
Ron Paul
Glenn
No...
Hey, I've got two flies fighting with a spider in my window; so Obama
and McCain, or two blonds in bikinis wrestling in olive oil, can't match
THAT. The spider and fly battle is real life and death, both Obama and
McCain and the wrestling match are circus acts intended to distract the
public from reality.
When is the general public going to wake up to that fact that politics
is a scripted carnival act?
Never?
Yes, I can believe THAT.
Glenn
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Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
Rod
> Rod wrote:
>>
>> Snow, Linda....anyone, have you been keeping up on the debate
>> this evening ? Obama is embarrassing McCain, making him appear
>> the betrayer of confidence that he seems to be.
>>
>> Any opinions on the contents of the debate ?
>>
>>
>> Rod
>
> No...
> Hey, I've got two flies fighting with a spider in my window; so Obama
> and McCain, or two blonds in bikinis wrestling in olive oil, can't match
> THAT. The spider and fly battle is real life and death, both Obama and
> McCain and the wrestling match are circus acts intended to distract the
> public from reality.
>
> When is the general public going to wake up to that fact that politics
> is a scripted carnival act?
>
> Never?
>
> Yes, I can believe THAT.
>
>
> Glenn
>
>
Okay, this may be fine from your point of view, not from mine and
here is why: I have lost my job driving a truck this tuesday. My
employer can no longer pay for fuel to run the truck, my retirement
savings is down from 159,000 bucks to 7,000 dollars in 14 months (401
K), most of it
in AIG and other varied stocks that are still losing. My wifes 401 K
has lost 3400 dollars out of 84,000. I don't want to see my wifes hard
earnings taken as mine were. This is why it is important, and should be
to everyone in America.
When Americans bury their heads in the sand and throw up their hands
in defeat bad things happen.
I'm not going to lay down and let the rich and powerful scum of
America run over my family, friends and neighbors without paying
a dearly high price for trying it.
Crying and babbling in your coffee cup and slobbering over your
senior breakfast isn't going to prevent it from happening again.
This attitude that all is corrupt and no one can do a thing about it
is the lazy mans way of saying he can't get of his butt cheeks long
enough to stand up to evil.
Snow posted and mentioned Ron Paul...Ron Paul is one American that
can be depended on to help and to fight this, and their are more.
This is what I honestly think of most Americans now days, to much
money and comfort for their own good, and to lazy to do whats right,
and this is why corruption OWNS Washington, it's OUR fault!
Rod
Linda Lee
I watched the entire debate and am still definitely voting for Obama;
I'm not going to waste my vote on an independent who cannot possibly
win.
We are pouring billions per DAY into the war on Iraq. I am against
the Iraqi war that has been the major factor that put us in this
horrible financial crunch, a war which McCain is STILL vowing to win
totally oblivious to the effect it is currently doing to our economy.
I am for focusing on destroying the Al Qaeda strongholds around the
globe, rather than merely Iraq, to prevent continued terrorism against
the USA, as Obama said he intended to do.
Obama intends to implement a healthcare program for Americans; I'm in
favor of that.
.
McCain admitted (after Obama pointed it out) he intends to put the
burden of taxation on healthcare coverage on the American employers,
which is expected to lead them to dump the burden for paying for
healthcare coverage entirely on their workers. McCain's solution is to
leave healthcare coverage up to the individual and the rates are so
high many will have no healthcare coverage whatsoever.
About the debaters' behavior during the debate; McCain acted tense
rather hyper, and Obama acted relaxed and comfortable. Obama is
gracious, but I think he was TOO gracious towards McCain tonight and
should have hit him harder and been more critical of him, instead of
saying 'McCain is right' about *anything* as if he were trying to find
points of agreement with him. It wasn't a diplomatic session; it was a
debate.
I HATE mccain's tactics. I do NOT want another lying president.
McCain lied again about Obama a few times as he's done several times
in his campaign ads; repeatedly led with, 'What senator Obama doesn't
understand' (I quit counting after five times) and then misrepresented
what Obama said he believed (and was corrected); started out with the
'God bless America' baloney, and threw in how he "loved" the veterans
- both manipulations geared towards gaining Christians' and veterans'
votes. I'm surprised he didn't pull out a puppy and begin playing with
it. McCain is perfectly comfortable being devious and manipulative.
I'm voting for OBAMA the first week of October as early voting is
encouraged as soon as September 30th.
Linda Lee
Rod, I sort of skipped over your first paragraph before. I'm sorry to
hear you lost your job Tuesday and lost money in the AIG scandal due
to the state of the economy.
::: good news runner :::
In news:RcgDk.1747$YU2....@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com,
Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
Glenn
> Glenn wrote:
>> Rod wrote:
>>>
>>> Snow, Linda....anyone, have you been keeping up on the debate
>>> this evening ? Obama is embarrassing McCain, making him appear
>>> the betrayer of confidence that he seems to be.
>>>
>>> Any opinions on the contents of the debate ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Rod
>>
>> No...
>> Hey, I've got two flies fighting with a spider in my window; so Obama
>> and McCain, or two blonds in bikinis wrestling in olive oil, can't match
>> THAT. The spider and fly battle is real life and death, both Obama and
>> McCain and the wrestling match are circus acts intended to distract the
>> public from reality.
>>
>> When is the general public going to wake up to that fact that politics
>> is a scripted carnival act?
>>
>> Never?
>>
>> Yes, I can believe THAT.
>>
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>>
>
> Okay, this may be fine from your point of view, not from mine and here
> is why: I have lost my job driving a truck this tuesday.
Why did you loose your Job?
Was it because the price of Oil went above the projections of your
companies managers?
What does the price of Oil have to do with the Economy?
Oh, you didn't think about that?
> My employer can
> no longer pay for fuel to run the truck, my retirement savings is down
> from 159,000 bucks to 7,000 dollars in 14 months (401 K), most of it
> in AIG and other varied stocks that are still losing. My wifes 401 K
> has lost 3400 dollars out of 84,000. I don't want to see my wifes hard
> earnings taken as mine were. This is why it is important, and should be
> to everyone in America.
What is apparently impossible for you to see, is that as long as you own
an apple, you can at least eat that apple.
Is that too hard for you?
If you own two dollars of XYZ stock, it does not matter if that stock
soars to ten million dollars, or falls to 2 cents --- you STILL OWN IT!!!!!
You don't loose your two dollars until you sell that stock for 2 cents!
GET A BRAIN!
You are looking at "paper wealth" and are completely and totally
ignorant of the real value of wealth!
>
> When Americans bury their heads in the sand and throw up their hands
> in defeat bad things happen.
When you let others take control of YOUR money, you are robbed and raped!
>
> I'm not going to lay down and let the rich and powerful scum of
> America run over my family, friends and neighbors without paying
> a dearly high price for trying it.
The "Rich Scum" ARE running over your family by having the government
buy their bad debt!
>
> Crying and babbling in your coffee cup and slobbering over your
> senior breakfast isn't going to prevent it from happening again.
Allowing the bankers to sell their bad debt to the government is NOT
going to change anything...
>
> This attitude that all is corrupt and no one can do a thing about it
> is the lazy mans way of saying he can't get of his butt cheeks long
> enough to stand up to evil.
>
> Snow posted and mentioned Ron Paul...Ron Paul is one American that
> can be depended on to help and to fight this, and their are more.
>
> This is what I honestly think of most Americans now days, to much
> money and comfort for their own good, and to lazy to do whats right,
> and this is why corruption OWNS Washington, it's OUR fault!
>
> Rod
OK, I read your statement, yes, fine...
....But, I don't get your point.
Tell me just one thing...
... Where did you get the idea that the government was supposed to
guarantee your investment?
So you invested in retirement funds...
So bankers invested in subprime home mortgages...
Now YOU and the BANKERS want the TAXPAYERS to pick up the tab on YOUR
bad investments????
THAT is not STUPID.... it's insane!
What is STUPID is not seeing where the Government's trillion dollar
purchase of YOUR bad debts will lead...
What is INSANE is believing that the unlimited supply of cheap oil will
continue forever...
...or that the limit of the supply of cheap oil will have NO EFFECT on
the world's economies...
What is insane is believing the government can save you,
while you reject God.
Delusion... What is your name? 2 Thes 2:1-=12
But, you don't want to see....
Rod
I'm also voting for Obama Linda. Down the road many Americans will
be needing health care, and I've never seen a conservative republican
that ever did anything for anyone else without crying socialism.
Thanks Linda. I'm job hunting but it's tough here, and I have
strikes against me already, age of 58 and have had a high weekly
income. Jobs aren't to plentiful right now. My wife is in banking
but we aren't to certain about that future at the moment.
Have a good evening Linda. Bye.
Rod
::: good news runner :::
Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
> Glenn wrote:
>> Rod wrote:
>>>
>>> Snow, Linda....anyone, have you been keeping up on the debate
>>> this evening ? Obama is embarrassing McCain, making him appear
>>> the betrayer of confidence that he seems to be.
>>>
>>> Any opinions on the contents of the debate ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Rod
>>
>> No...
>> Hey, I've got two flies fighting with a spider in my window; so Obama
>> and McCain, or two blonds in bikinis wrestling in olive oil, can't
>> match THAT. The spider and fly battle is real life and death, both
>> Obama and McCain and the wrestling match are circus acts intended to
>> distract the public from reality.
>>
>> When is the general public going to wake up to that fact that
>> politics is a scripted carnival act?
>>
>> Never?
>>
>> Yes, I can believe THAT.
>>
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>>
>
> Okay, this may be fine from your point of view, not from mine and
> here is why: I have lost my job driving a truck this tuesday.
I am sorry to read this. But it is probably a chance for a better job!
> My
> employer can no longer pay for fuel to run the truck, my retirement
> savings is down from 159,000 bucks to 7,000 dollars in 14 months (401
> K), most of it
> in AIG and other varied stocks that are still losing. My wifes 401 K
> has lost 3400 dollars out of 84,000. I don't want to see my wifes hard
> earnings taken as mine were. This is why it is important, and should
> be to everyone in America.
>
> When Americans bury their heads in the sand and throw up their hands
> in defeat bad things happen.
>
> I'm not going to lay down and let the rich and powerful scum of
> America run over my family, friends and neighbors without paying
> a dearly high price for trying it.
>
> Crying and babbling in your coffee cup and slobbering over your
> senior breakfast isn't going to prevent it from happening again.
Would you please let us know whom you are addressing there in these
Christian newsgroups?
> This attitude that all is corrupt and no one can do a thing about it
> is the lazy mans way of saying he can't get of his butt cheeks long
> enough to stand up to evil.
>
> Snow posted and mentioned Ron Paul...Ron Paul is one American that
> can be depended on to help and to fight this, and their are more.
Go figure!
Your political interest is showing, Rod. Could it be it is for the
propaganda?
> This is what I honestly think of most Americans now days, to much
> money and comfort for their own good, and to lazy to do whats right,
> and this is why corruption OWNS Washington, it's OUR fault!
Why do you not take it to a political group? What is your aim here?
You are no Christian and come here to make some propaganda for your
favorite politician here in the Christian newsgroups... What is that?
> Rod
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From MSNBC at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26906945?GT1=43001
Who won the presidential debate? * 255,443 responses
John McCain
35%
Barack Obama
51%
Tie
6.3%
Not sure
7.8%
Yeaaa !!!
Linda Lee
Even the Republicans are saying this 300 Billion buy-out brought about
by the Bush Administration (with McCain's ongoing support) is akin to
socialism. His own party is also saying that McCain is grandstanding
and using the crisis to try to benefit himself and his bid for the
presidency. They're also saying Bush called a two-hour meeting during
their meeting for the purpose of benefitting McCain. Bush and McCain
are SO crrrrooked.
Judging from Hillary Clinton's speech supporting Obama, he may appoint
her in charge of establishing healthcare system, which was her 'baby'
when Clinton was president, but the predominantly Republican Congress
at that time thwarted it.
The Congress has been predominantly Democrat since 2006 for the first
time in decades. With a Democratic President and a Democratic
Congress, great strides could be made in many areas.
>
> Thanks Linda. I'm job hunting but it's tough here, and I have
> strikes against me already, age of 58 and have had a high weekly
> income. Jobs aren't to plentiful right now. My wife is in banking
> but we aren't to certain about that future at the moment.
>
Show a *little* faith in God and say a little prayer for a new job
(OK?) ...and then continue job hunting. The Messiah said even faith
the size of a mustard seed (very, very tiny) is all that is necessary
(this is assuming you're praying for good things, not unnecessary
things, like a porsche).
> Have a good evening Linda. Bye.
You too.
>
> Rod
Linda Lee
wrote:
> Innews:3ce5cbc1-0eb9-4c7c...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com,
> Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> typed:
Someone's blog - fascinating.
guardian Snow
> I'm also voting for Obama Linda. Down the road many Americans will
> be needing health care, and I've never seen a conservative republican
> that ever did anything for anyone else without crying socialism.
>
> Thanks Linda. I'm job hunting but it's tough here, and I have
> strikes against me already, age of 58 and have had a high weekly
> income. Jobs aren't to plentiful right now. My wife is in banking
> but we aren't to certain about that future at the moment.
>
> Have a good evening Linda. Bye.
>
> Rod
Global Socialism and government managed health care is goal and you
are taking the bait.
The idea is that I dig a well and get you accustomed to dipping from
my well.
Then I poison my own well and create panic.
Then I come along with the cure to the poison that I put in the well
and you will do whatever I tell you to do because I am your savior.
The problem with your logic is that your still not thinking about
digging your own well and being self reliant.
Does that make sense?
Rod
I was intending to go into a lengthy reply, but seeing what
you've written, no, you're not worth the trouble.
Rod
> In news:w3hDk.1373$x%.444@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com,
> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>> Glenn wrote:
>>> Rod wrote:
>>>> Snow, Linda....anyone, have you been keeping up on the debate
>>>> this evening ? Obama is embarrassing McCain, making him appear
>>>> the betrayer of confidence that he seems to be.
>>>>
>>>> Any opinions on the contents of the debate ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rod
>>> No...
>>> Hey, I've got two flies fighting with a spider in my window; so Obama
>>> and McCain, or two blonds in bikinis wrestling in olive oil, can't
>>> match THAT. The spider and fly battle is real life and death, both
>>> Obama and McCain and the wrestling match are circus acts intended to
>>> distract the public from reality.
>>>
>>> When is the general public going to wake up to that fact that
>>> politics is a scripted carnival act?
>>>
>>> Never?
>>>
>>> Yes, I can believe THAT.
>>>
>>>
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>>
>> Okay, this may be fine from your point of view, not from mine and
>> here is why: I have lost my job driving a truck this tuesday.
>
> I am sorry to read this. But it is probably a chance for a better job!
NO better jobs to be had here, not even worse jobs to be had here,
more like no jobs to be had here.
>
>> My
>> employer can no longer pay for fuel to run the truck, my retirement
>> savings is down from 159,000 bucks to 7,000 dollars in 14 months (401
>> K), most of it
>> in AIG and other varied stocks that are still losing. My wifes 401 K
>> has lost 3400 dollars out of 84,000. I don't want to see my wifes hard
>> earnings taken as mine were. This is why it is important, and should
>> be to everyone in America.
>>
>> When Americans bury their heads in the sand and throw up their hands
>> in defeat bad things happen.
>>
>> I'm not going to lay down and let the rich and powerful scum of
>> America run over my family, friends and neighbors without paying
>> a dearly high price for trying it.
>>
>> Crying and babbling in your coffee cup and slobbering over your
>> senior breakfast isn't going to prevent it from happening again.
>
> Would you please let us know whom you are addressing there in these
> Christian newsgroups?
Lazy americans that bury their heads in the sand and whine because
they are about to reap the rewards of letting others do their
work for them.
>
>
>> This attitude that all is corrupt and no one can do a thing about it
>> is the lazy mans way of saying he can't get of his butt cheeks long
>> enough to stand up to evil.
>>
>> Snow posted and mentioned Ron Paul...Ron Paul is one American that
>> can be depended on to help and to fight this, and their are more.
>
> Go figure!
>
> Your political interest is showing, Rod. Could it be it is for the
> propaganda?
No, it effects any American Christian in this group, and I'm
interested in their feelings about it and why. If I knew more about
their needs I would be willing to step out on a limb and help them,
but I'll not know if I don't ask.
>
>
>> This is what I honestly think of most Americans now days, to much
>> money and comfort for their own good, and to lazy to do whats right,
>> and this is why corruption OWNS Washington, it's OUR fault!
>
> Why do you not take it to a political group? What is your aim here?
>
> You are no Christian
To my knowledge, God did not die nor did he appoint you to
take His place. From what I can see, all thats required is
belief and obediance...not Vera's approval...
get my drift, Vera ?
> and come here to make some propaganda for your
> favorite politician here in the Christian newsgroups
You are a lair, Vera. Everything in life that happens
has an effect on someone somewhere. I want to particpate
and help others as much as I can.
Until you can see what is really in my heart and mind
without guessing, silence your tongue before it tells
more lies, oh queen of evil.....
Rod
Linda Lee
There was a show on TV about what people were happiest and the
conclusion was it was those in Denmark. Denmark's government provides
healthcare and college educations (as far as they want to take it,
Masters, Doctorate), and the people are happy because they aren't
under the strain of having to provide these things for themselves
individually, although their taxes pay for all this, they aren't
overtaxed and live a good life. I see nothing wrong with that. It
isn't much different than emergency rooms in hospitals and public
education for children in this country, only it is more comprehensive.
I know lots of people in this country who were unable to finish their
college education due to money concerns, or are going to be paying
back student loans for decades, and also people who were unable to
find good-paying jobs in their field once they'd finished their
college education; it is not a good situation.
Linda Lee
> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>
>
>
> > Innews:w3hDk.1373$x%.444@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com,
That's a nice sentiment.
Rod
How do I say this ? Changes are taking place in me, something
is very different from before. I'm wanting to do things that
have never appealed to me before. it's like being filled with
light, and having no place to put it..so you try to share it
in any way that you can. Does this sound crazy ?
Linda Lee
Not at all. It is likely the result of the experience you had that
can't be explained away. Maybe take it slow, though.
Glenn
LOL!
Sell, or don't sell....
Either way, you want the Big Brother Government to save you from the
consequences of your decisions...
...right?
What you don't see, will NOT see, is that you have placed "government"
in the place of God.
"Government" is supposed to regulate the economy, since, obviously, the
economy is not capable of regulating it's self.
"Government" is supposed to regulate the price of rice and beans, since,
obviously, the market can not regulate it's self.
"Government" is supposed to regulate the amount of oil in this globe
called earth, since, obviously, this GLOBE can only contain so much oil!
Quick, tell me the difference between ignorance and delusion.
Linda Lee
I don't know if you saw my post about it before, but the Jewish
posters here say that on the Sabbath they're supposed to consider how
to improve themselves or improve the world, not just 'take it easy'
physically.
Perhaps you could donate some time (and/or food) to a local food
pantry or something like that. They're overwhelmed with the economy
like it is. Even a case of peas or something would be greatly
appreciated.
Rod
> On Sep 27, 1:43 pm, Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm also voting for Obama Linda. Down the road many Americans will
>> be needing health care, and I've never seen a conservative republican
>> that ever did anything for anyone else without crying socialism.
>>
>> Thanks Linda. I'm job hunting but it's tough here, and I have
>> strikes against me already, age of 58 and have had a high weekly
>> income. Jobs aren't to plentiful right now. My wife is in banking
>> but we aren't to certain about that future at the moment.
>>
>> Have a good evening Linda. Bye.
>>
>> Rod
>
> Global Socialism and government managed health care is goal and you
> are taking the bait.
The same is said of Christianity by atheists. The whole point of
transforming into a true follower of Christ is to live by His laws
including taking care of your own and others
Thats why I'm for the bail out with stipulations, and I have been
talking with my senators all week, Pat Roberts and Sam Brownback,
and these are the stipulations;
1. Every taxpayer will get an interest in these companies equal
to what they are required to contribute, secured by stock
and / or resellable assets of the failing companies.
2. None of the executives will receive bonuses or compensation of
any kind from this bailout, other than there previously agreed
salaries.
3. Complete investigation of all financial records of the failing
companies with possible prison time for any white collar crimes
involving company and stockholders assets.
4. The immediate firing of Mr.Paulson as Treasury Secretary.
>
> The idea is that I dig a well and get you accustomed to dipping from
> my well.
> Then I poison my own well and create panic.
>
> Then I come along with the cure to the poison that I put in the well
> and you will do whatever I tell you to do because I am your savior.
>
> The problem with your logic is that your still not thinking about
> digging your own well and being self reliant.
>
> Does that make sense?
>
I've made my choice. I'm going to help my people first and
conservatives are just going to have to deal with their
fear. Doesn't scripture state that fear is NOT of God ?
If helping and caring for your own is socialism, then many Americans
had better turn their backs on Christianity and Christ, because that
is where Gods heart lies, service to Him is service to your own.
Rod
in me. I refuse to speak further out of anger and risk sin.
Goodbye Glenn
Rod
I can do that and more. Nothing but time on my hands.
Rod
Slow isn't a problem with me, I have plenty of that to spare. But I
need to be careful now because I told Vera she lied about me, so
I may end up in a coma before long...
Rod
Glenn
Your statement is an example of the state of your mind, but you will
reject that idea...
Oh, my advice is that you ONLY sell your investments if you can get land
in an area down wind from nuclear contamination...
watered by rivers free of contamination,
not subject to invasion by starving populations
of dying cities...
or earthquake,
or Tsunami, tornado, hurricane...
Yes, perhaps the government can save you.
...best wishes,
Guardian Snow
> I've made my choice. I'm going to help my people first and
> conservatives are just going to have to deal with their
> fear. Doesn't scripture state that fear is NOT of God ?
>
> If helping and caring for your own is socialism, then many Americans
> had better turn their backs on Christianity and Christ, because that
> is where Gods heart lies, service to Him is service to your own.
Then we have no discussion. If you have made your choice then your
only goal was to sway mine and that will not happen. The fact is Rod
that you are basing your decision on fear that you need government to
care for your needs and not Elohim יהוה Ěl Shaddai! I respect your
choice. It is your choice after all to make.
Shalom,
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I challenge you to make your life a masterpiece. I challenge you to
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their talk.
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Fred A Stover
Ye olde shell game: business taxes.
Some folks still haven't figured out that businesses get all their money
from their customers: the money to pay for their products comes from their
customers: the money to pay their rent and expenses comes from their
customers: the money to pay for taxes comes from their customers.
What is included in the price of the products we buy are the business taxes
of the suppliers of the raw materials in the products, the business taxes of
the companies transporting the raw materials to plants where they are made
into components, the business taxes of the companies transporting the
components to the manufacturer, the business taxes of the manufacturer who
used the components to make the products we buy, the business taxes of the
companies that transport the product to market, the business taxes of the
companies from which we buy the products.
We pay the business taxes, and we have no idea of how much we are paying in
"business taxes."
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His,
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Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
> I've made my choice. I'm going to help my people first and
> conservatives are just going to have to deal with their
> fear. Doesn't scripture state that fear is NOT of God ?
>
> If helping and caring for your own is socialism, then many
> Americans had better turn their backs on Christianity and Christ,
> because that is where Gods heart lies, service to Him is service
> to your own.
Okay - so go into political groups with it, and stop spamming the
Christian groups with your stuff. If you hate conservative Christians,
your problem. These groups are no political groups.
And your comments about Christians and God are really disqualified,
because you as an unbeliever have no idea of that, nor would you know
where "God's heart lies" and what service to Him would mean.
You should stop talking about things you have no idea of.
::: good news runner :::
Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
> Slow isn't a problem with me, I have plenty of that to spare. But I
> need to be careful now because I told Vera she lied about me, so
> I may end up in a coma before long...
I did not know that you are stupid as well. I have nowhere lied about
you. And yes, a coma would be great! It would solve a number of problems
for you and the groups. But I doubt that you would be willing.... You
prefer haunting Christian newsgroups with politics.
About dreams...
I saw a big book last night, and there were all the newsgroups postings
in it, pictures inclusively. I browsed backwards and came to the part
when Griz asked the group if they wanted to share things in a Christian
community, and he asked who would be interested in that and who was not.
I saw the pictures of people on vacations, I saw their children making
music in the streets of very poor and hot areas, and I felt the beauty
of this time again, and the love that was around. But I also knew that
many of the people in the pictures were just lying and only eager to
push some of their own doubtful ideas through which did not ask for God
but for their own ego. They did not care about the community we had at
all, just about their own ego, about their own views that were offside
of the Christian path and outside of the Christian community of
believers.
What I can see nowadays is mostly a bunch of such people - and you are
one of them. You come here pretending to be interested in us, but all
you want is pushing your political views through and force them onto
others. You think you could reach people here for that, and they would
be too stupid to see your intentions. Rod, I am not, and most others are
not, either.
You come along to teach the Christians what Christian is? It is not up
to you, Rod, it is not.
::: good news runner :::
Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
In that case I would think of going to a place where I could find a job.
>>> My
>>> employer can no longer pay for fuel to run the truck, my retirement
>>> savings is down from 159,000 bucks to 7,000 dollars in 14 months
>>> (401 K), most of it
>>> in AIG and other varied stocks that are still losing. My wifes 401 K
>>> has lost 3400 dollars out of 84,000. I don't want to see my wifes
>>> hard earnings taken as mine were. This is why it is important, and
>>> should be to everyone in America.
>>>
>>> When Americans bury their heads in the sand and throw up their
>>> hands in defeat bad things happen.
>>>
>>> I'm not going to lay down and let the rich and powerful scum of
>>> America run over my family, friends and neighbors without paying
>>> a dearly high price for trying it.
>>>
>>> Crying and babbling in your coffee cup and slobbering over your
>>> senior breakfast isn't going to prevent it from happening again.
>>
>> Would you please let us know whom you are addressing there in these
>> Christian newsgroups?
>
> Lazy americans that bury their heads in the sand and whine because
> they are about to reap the rewards of letting others do their
> work for them.
But this is not an American group at all. It is international, and
Christian, not a political newsgroup. Take your talks about politcs to
the groups where it belongs, please.
I do not go to political newsgroups to proselytise there, either.
>>> This attitude that all is corrupt and no one can do a thing about
>>> it is the lazy mans way of saying he can't get of his butt cheeks
>>> long enough to stand up to evil.
>>>
>>> Snow posted and mentioned Ron Paul...Ron Paul is one American that
>>> can be depended on to help and to fight this, and their are more.
>>
>> Go figure!
>>
>> Your political interest is showing, Rod. Could it be it is for the
>> propaganda?
>
> No, it effects any American Christian in this group,
I am a German, there are Australians and English people as well, and
others.
> and I'm
> interested in their feelings about it and why. If I knew more about
> their needs I would be willing to step out on a limb and help them,
> but I'll not know if I don't ask.
Rod: "Oh yes, I am big pretender...." [leaves stage]
You cannot fool me anymore, Rod.
>>> This is what I honestly think of most Americans now days, to much
>>> money and comfort for their own good, and to lazy to do whats right,
>>> and this is why corruption OWNS Washington, it's OUR fault!
>>
>> Why do you not take it to a political group? What is your aim here?
>>
>> You are no Christian
>
> To my knowledge, God did not die nor did he appoint you to
> take His place. From what I can see, all thats required is
> belief and obediance...not Vera's approval...
>
> get my drift, Vera ?
Yes, and I told you before that you should not talk about things you
have no idea about. You claimed yourself to be no Christian - so that is
what you chose, what you are, and what I have to see in you.
Get the drift, Rod?
>> and come here to make some propaganda for your
>> favorite politician here in the Christian newsgroups
>
> You are a lair, Vera.
Many people here claim many things that are not true and that does not
make them true by their saying them. It just makes them look even more
foolish than before.
> Everything in life that happens
> has an effect on someone somewhere. I want to particpate
> and help others as much as I can.
Help them where they want your help. Christians do not need the help of
unbelievers for their opinion - and this is what newsgroups are about.
Go and proselytise people in political groups for your political
purposes.
> Until you can see what is really in my heart and mind
> without guessing, silence your tongue before it tells
> more lies, oh queen of evil.....
How boring... *yawn*
It seems you are just another boring manipulator.
::: good news runner :::
news:a677a6d3-7cb3-4d96...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com> typed:
>>> I'm voting for OBAMA the first week of October as early voting is
>>> encouraged as soon as September 30th.
>>
>> http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-...
>
> Someone's blog - fascinating.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-muslim-faith.html
Actually it was not my point. My point was that it shows a VIDEO CLIP
with Obama in which he is talking about his MUSLIM faith.
Just watch it!
So why would a Messianic Jew vote a Muslim for President?
Are you a friend of Israel at all, Linda Lee?
guardian Snow
wrote:
> Okay - so go into political groups with it, and stop spamming the
> Christian groups with your stuff. If you hate conservative Christians,
> your problem. These groups are no political groups.
>
> And your comments about Christians and God are really disqualified,
> because you as an unbeliever have no idea of that, nor would you know
> where "God's heart lies" and what service to Him would mean.
>
> You should stop talking about things you have no idea of.
I think you might be off track here Vera.
Pro 28:16 A leader who lacks understanding is a great oppressor, But
the hater of greed prolongs his days.
It should concern all Christians who is leading the nation of the
United States. It is after all considered the bastion of
Christianity. Maybe your put off because were not discussing German
leadership but you can add to the debate by explaining things from you
perspective. I remember a good news story coming out of Germany about
woman that were being tossed of the government welfare rolls because
the refused to take jobs... in prostitution.
It's a shame that so many people tend to vote with there pockets in
stead of conscious hearts.
Take care and be blessed Vera:)
Rod
> On Sep 27, 4:09 pm, Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> I've made my choice. I'm going to help my people first and
>> conservatives are just going to have to deal with their
>> fear. Doesn't scripture state that fear is NOT of God ?
>>
>> If helping and caring for your own is socialism, then many Americans
>> had better turn their backs on Christianity and Christ, because that
>> is where Gods heart lies, service to Him is service to your own.
>
> Then we have no discussion. If you have made your choice then your
> only goal was to sway mine and that will not happen.
I'm trying to convey my hopes and aims about the bail out and
campaign, to explain why I believe it's good to help one another,
not because I'm trying to push socialism on you.
> The fact is Rod
> that you are basing your decision on fear that you need government to
> care for your needs and not Elohim יהוה Ěl Shaddai!
(shaking head.....)No.
> I respect your
> choice. It is your choice after all to make.
Thank you for that concession.
Linda Lee
wrote:
> Innews:a677a6d3-7cb3-4d96...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
> Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> typed:
>
> >>> I'm voting for OBAMA the first week of October as early voting is
> >>> encouraged as soon as September 30th.
>
> >>http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-...
>
> > Someone's blog - fascinating.
>
>
> Actually it was not my point. My point was that it shows a VIDEO CLIP
> with Obama in which he is talking about his MUSLIM faith.
>
> Just watch it!
>
> So why would a Messianic Jew vote a Muslim for President?
>
> Are you a friend of Israel at all, Linda Lee?
>
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I saw what you're talking about on TV. Are you really too dumb to
realize the **SUBJECT** under discussion was the McCain presidential
campaign group 'putting out there' the falsehood that Obama was of the
Muslim faith and Obama said McCain's "camp" had done it, but McCain
himself had not said anything about Obama's Muslim faith i.e. McCain
himself had not claimed Obama was a Muslim?
It hasn't affected Obama in the polls because many people are bright
enough to be able to follow a subject and not become confused.
And why are YOU spamming the newsgroups with political posts,
hypocrite?
Oh, I see, it is okay for your own agenda, spreading the evil lies of
the warmonger McCain.
As of today, McCain STILL says he plans to pour money, billions per
day, into the Iraqi war, ignoring the financial crisis the Bush
administration, with the ongoing help of Senator McCain, has put this
country into.
And btw, Rod seems to be learning the ways of the Messiah much better
than you've ever done.
You don't strike me as a Christian, and I don't need a newsbreak to
see it.
You do everything you can to discourage people from following the
Messiah simply because they don't fall down and worship YOU and your
filthy false apostle. You're too late; it won't work; he's learned to
discern false Christians apart from the teachings of the Messiah.
He's found out there are ravening wolves masquerading as the sheep of
God.
Linda Lee
wrote:
> Innews:iPiDk.1146$W06....@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com,> >> Innews:w3hDk.1373$x%.444@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com,
Take your own advice. You don't even live in the USA, and Americans do
not need your German opinion on what's going on in the States.
You're just looking for an excuse to attack. You're of the antichrist
spirit like the false apostle you worship; trying to drive people away
from the way of truth and belief in the Messiah.
Linda Lee
wrote:
> Innews:a677a6d3-7cb3-4d96...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
> Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> typed:
>
> >>> I'm voting for OBAMA the first week of October as early voting is
> >>> encouraged as soon as September 30th.
>
> >>http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-...
>
> > Someone's blog - fascinating.
>
>
> Actually it was not my point. My point was that it shows a VIDEO CLIP
> with Obama in which he is talking about his MUSLIM faith.
>
> Just watch it!
Dense one; I've seen it and you're twisting it like you twist
everything else.
>
> So why would a Messianic Jew vote a Muslim for President?
??? I am not a Messianic Jew. I suppose if you must label me and of
course you must, I am a non-denominational Messianic.
>
> Are you a friend of Israel at all, Linda Lee?
You're pathetically transparent veralein. There are Jewish posters
here who plan to vote for Obama who are much brighter than you and
know what they're doing.
Why are you spamming the newsgroups with your political agenda, you
hypocrite?
guardian Snow
I consider myself a messianic Jew. After all the covenants are with
Israel and Judah and not the gentiles contrary to what false apostle
teaches.
Isa 45:20 “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
not save.
Isa 45:21 “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel
together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from
that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a
righteous Ěl and a Saviour, there is none besides Me.
Isa 45:22 “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I
am Ěl, and there is none else.
Isn't it amazing how you put scriptures right in front of there eyes
and they still run around in denial?
Shalom,
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http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
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“Hi. It's me. I know you're out there. I know you're working as
fast as you can to catch me. I thought I should call and let you know
how things stand. I know you're real proud of this world you've built,
the way it works, all the nice little rules and such, but I've got
some bad news. I've decided to make a few changes.”
Neo – The Matrix
Fred A Stover
> On Sep 27, 9:12am, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
Yes there are and they are non-religious Jews who wouldn't hesitate to give
the Lord's land to His enemies or to wipe their behinds with the Torah.
Observant Jews who love His land, honor His Torah, and note the anti-Israel
voting records of Obama and his running mate wouldn't.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/127596
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> In
> news:a677a6d3-7cb3-4d96...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
> Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com> typed:
>>>> I'm voting for OBAMA the first week of October as early voting is
>>>> encouraged as soon as September 30th.
>>>
>>> http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-...
>>
>> Someone's blog - fascinating.
>
> http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-muslim-faith.html
>
> Actually it was not my point. My point was that it shows a VIDEO CLIP
> with Obama in which he is talking about his MUSLIM faith.
>
> Just watch it!
A revealing Freudian slip. He was so comfortable with it after he said it
that someone else had to point it out to him.
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guardian Snow
> > The problem with your logic is that your still not thinking about
> > digging your own well and being self reliant.
>
> > Does that make sense?
> I know lots of people in this country who were unable to finish their
> college education due to money concerns, or are going to be paying
> back student loans for decades, and also people who were unable to
> find good-paying jobs in their field once they'd finished their
> college education; it is not a good situation.
Whether people like to know the truth or not, we have one government
in this world with many puppet states under it, including the United
States. Don't believe me? NAFTA and the World Banks control you.
All laws are subservient to the banking establishment.
As head of the banking establishments they do not need congress or any
elected officials to make your money worthless tomorrow. If they want
to convince you of whatever policy, they simple raise interest rates,
create inflation and watch your dollars turn to dirt. When people
like Rod loose there jobs, instead of looking to how he can start his
own business, he turns to government for the solution when in fact,
they have no control over the Federal Reserve.
The Federal Reserve banks are your masters and it doesn't matter who
you elect because they stay in power and are unelected and are a
private international corporation that manipulate currencies around
the world.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/ <--- the most important link you'll
ever click on
guardian Snow
> Yes, perhaps the government can save you.
America's headlong rush into full-blown socialism accelerated Tuesday
with the Federal Reserve's takeover of American International Group,
Inc. (AIG), one of the world's largest insurance companies.
Following on the heels of the nationalization of Freddie Mac and
Fannie Mae, the seizure of AIG sent markets reeling the following day,
and with good cause: despite the $85 billion loan the Fed extended to
AIG, the recovery of the insurance behemoth is far from certain. To
service its debts, AIG will have to find buyers for large asset
chunks. If it fails to do so, American taxpayers will foot the bill.
In exchange for its largesse, the Fed received an 80 percent stake in
AIG and the authority to replace senior management. The unprecedented
deal has put the Federal Reserve and the federal government in the
insurance business without so much as a by-your-leave from Congress.
"The move represents the largest lurch toward socialism that this
country has ever seen, and signals the end of the vibrancy of
America's once vaunted free market economy," Peter Schiff, president
of Euro Pacific Capital, told the news agency Agence France-Presse.
"Since there is no limit to the amount of money the Fed can create,
there is no limit to the number of assets they can acquire."
In point of fact, the hard laws of economics will impose limits on the
Fed's powers — eventually. This bailout, like a whole series of
Federal Reserve actions since last December, was carried out in
concert with the Department of Treasury. The Fed usually creates money
by purchasing government debt, meaning that the Treasury must issue
new debt against which the Fed can then create new money in the form
of loans like the $85 billion extended to AIG. In this instance, the
U.S. Treasury has agreed to play its part, and will be selling $40
billion in 35-day bonds to help fund the takeover.
It need hardly be noted that the federal government, much less the
executive branch, has zero constitutional authority to nationalize
corporations (the entire Federal Reserve operates completely outside
the bounds of constitutional legitimacy, since the Constitution only
authorizes the federal govenrment to "coin money," not to print it).
Such dictatorial interference in the free market, however, was
routinely embarked upon by the FDR Administration, in spite of
resistance from the Supreme Court, Congress, and the American people.
Roosevelt's New Deal, with its make-work programs, bank holidays,
seizure of private assets, and welter of new controls on industrial
and financial activity, marked the genesis of Old World-style fascism
— where public-private partnerships and state-sponsored monopolies are
substituted for the free market — in America. In the decades since,
the public has come to perceive such activities as a necessary evil,
its unconstitutionality notwithstanding.
The direct seizure of AIG by the Federal Reserve marks a dangerous new
move towards autocracy. Federal bailouts are hardly new, but until
recently, were generally not undertaken without congressional
approval. Consider, for example, the federal government's celebrated
bailout of Chrysler Corporation in the early 1980s. In December of
1979, Congress, under intense pressure from President Carter and irate
constituents, passed the Chrysler Corporation Loan Guarantee Act
(which only guaranteed a loan if needed). The U.S. Military then
brought thousands of Chrysler pickup trucks, helping the storied firm
to avoid bankruptcy. Nowadays, apparently, the say-so of a president,
Treasury secretary, or Federal Reserve chairman is regarded as
sufficient authority to commit billions of dollars of federal funds to
feckless bailouts — this despite the fact that the U.S. Constitution
requires that all spending bills originate in the House of
Representatives, thereby committing the government's purse strings to
Congress, not the Executive Branch.
The seizure of AIG is being justified, as usual, as an extraordinary
action to protect a corporation deemed too large to fail. But what
really happens when corporations fail, as storied investment firm
Lehman Brothers did just a day before AIG's "rescue"? Those assets
with value are purchased by other firms and recincorporated into the
economy. Debt and excess value is liquidated, often causing short-term
market upheavals but ultimately leading to necessary corrections and a
return to more rational valuation. Government bailouts and other
artificial lifelines merely postpone the evil day, prolonging economic
turmoil and victimizing taxpayers into the bargain.
Wall Street is starting to catch on, as Wednesday's precipitous stock
market decline showed. It is starting to dawn on investors at home and
abroad that not only does the U.S. government not have the money to
bail out the entire financial sector, it would only exacerbate the
problems already in evidence. Each new bailout creates a "moral
hazard," encouraging investors, bankers, and financiers to behave
recklessly in the belief that, should they ever face severe financial
consequences for risky behavior, the government will spare them in
turn from having to face the consequences. Taken far enough, such
misplaced government largesse will create a system so burdened by
excessive risk and misallocated assets that it will collapse like the
proverbial house of cards.
Make no mistake about it: American taxpayers will ultimately pay a
heavy price for the bailouts of AIG, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac, as
well as any other foundering corporations the feds choose to "rescue"
in coming months. Always the rationale is the same: investors and the
economy must be protected. But in point of fact, the chief
beneficiaries are always those who stand to lose the most — the giant
investment firms, hedge fund managers, wealthy bankers, and others
whose immense wealth depends on the survival of the system — in a
word, those who benefit from the Federal Reserve's inflationary
policies, and who have the assets and the clout to enlist the
government to protect their fortunes.
Ordinary Americans, by contrast, not only get stuck with the
taxpayer's tab, they also see their assets lose value as a consequence
of inflation. Every time the Fed extends a loan, more money is pumped
into circulation, leading in the long run to higher prices. The
bailout of AIG has been accomplished by pumping $85 billion new
dollars into the economy overnight — this on top of tens of billions
more the Fed has already released this week via its open-market
operations.
Beyond the inevitable economic and financial fallout of such ruinous
policies, the activities of the federal government, and the Federal
Reserve in particular, in responding to the latest wrinkles in the
great credit crunch, are wreaking havoc with our entire political
system. The Federal Reserve has, since last December, usurped enormous
new powers over the economy, and is poised to assume still more if
Treasury Secretary Paulson's plan for a new financial regulatory
regime is put into effect. The plan, made public last spring,
envisioned a revamped Federal Reserve with vast regulatory and
surveillance authority over every facet of American financial
activity. It would in effect create a financial counterpart to the
Department of Homeland Security, with the Federal Reserve as its
lynchpin. With the seizure of AIG, the Federal Reserve has begun
assuming the very powers envisioned by Paulson and the Bush
Administration, without even a congressional debate.
As the economy continues to unravel, look for the Federal Reserve to
continue to remold itself into an autocratic new Ministry of Finance.
With the impending implosion of Washington Mutual, the world's largest
thrift, as well as other regional banks, the possible failure of a
money-center bank or two (Citibank, for instance), and the potential
collapse of one or more of the Big Three automotive giants, the
Federal Government will have adequate pretext to continue the truly
revolutionary onslaught on America's "once-vaunted free market
economy."
Rod
In case you haven't noticed, I was interested in the opinions and
ideas of Christ's followers, the kind that live their beliefs and not
simply talk about them.
Christianity in spite of many of it's followers, can be a force for
bringing good to all people, and kill the reputation it has gained
due to followers like yourself.
>
>
>>>> This attitude that all is corrupt and no one can do a thing about
>>>> it is the lazy mans way of saying he can't get of his butt cheeks
>>>> long enough to stand up to evil.
>>>>
>>>> Snow posted and mentioned Ron Paul...Ron Paul is one American that
>>>> can be depended on to help and to fight this, and their are more.
>>> Go figure!
>>>
>>> Your political interest is showing, Rod. Could it be it is for the
>>> propaganda?
>> No, it effects any American Christian in this group,
>
> I am a German, there are Australians and English people as well, and
> others.
And Americans as well. So, taking the cue from you that you don't care
to hear about what effects American Christians. i don't care to see
how your version of false Christianity will drive souls from Christ!
Like you stated, this group IS international....
>
>
>> and I'm
>> interested in their feelings about it and why. If I knew more about
>> their needs I would be willing to step out on a limb and help them,
>> but I'll not know if I don't ask.
>
> Rod: "Oh yes, I am big pretender...." [leaves stage]
>
>
> You cannot fool me anymore, Rod.
Fool you ? You're deluding yourself! The hard part of this for me
is accepting the lengths people will go to in an effort to avoid
truth and change.
I'm thankful that I'm being shown this now.
>
>>>> This is what I honestly think of most Americans now days, to much
>>>> money and comfort for their own good, and to lazy to do whats right,
>>>> and this is why corruption OWNS Washington, it's OUR fault!
>>> Why do you not take it to a political group? What is your aim here?
>>>
>>> You are no Christian
>> To my knowledge, God did not die nor did he appoint you to
>> take His place. From what I can see, all thats required is
>> belief and obediance...not Vera's approval...
>>
>> get my drift, Vera ?
>
> Yes, and I told you before that you should not talk about things you
> have no idea about. You claimed yourself to be no Christian - so that is
> what you chose, what you are, and what I have to see in you.
>
> Get the drift, Rod?
The drift I get is that you're not able to do two things at
once, ergo read AND comprehend.
Here, let me help you with this; your philosophy is driving me and
others who would come to Christ away from Him! Why ? Because some are
afraid that your God may act as you do, and they have no desire to
an eternity with someone that acts as you do.
And these same sentiments have been voiced to me before, and I
refused to learn the easy way, but I have learned it...
>
>
>>> and come here to make some propaganda for your
>>> favorite politician here in the Christian newsgroups
>> You are a lair, Vera.
>
> Many people here claim many things that are not true and that does not
> make them true by their saying them. It just makes them look even more
> foolish than before.
I say again, you are a liar Vera. You do not know me well enough
to know what I think, feel or believe, and just as Glenn has done
you also have done; you've assumed that which you believe to be true
without proving it IS true, and made a liar of yourself. Knowing this
won;t make it easier for me, for I know you'll go to your death
refusing to believe that you can be wrong, and never repent of it,
damning yourself.
But, thats your problem, isn't it ?
Linda Lee
wrote:
>
>
> I consider myself a messianic Jew.
The Messianic Jewish organizations all accept Paul (although I have
heard some don't, I can't locate them), so my son and I simply call
ourselves Messianics, or Messianic Christians (as opposed to Pauline
Christians), or non-denominational Messianics as my son suggested.
> After all the covenants are with
> Israel and Judah and not the gentiles contrary to what false apostle
> teaches.
We are not excluded if we follow the Messiah. During his lifetime,
the Messiah said he had "other sheep" besides the lost sheep of
Israel, and those must of necessity be Gentiles:
Joh 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto
you, I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but
the sheep did not hear them.
Joh 10:9 *** I am the door: by me if ANY MAN enter in, he shall be
saved,*** and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
[Per usual, the Pauline translators try to shut out the women. The
word translated "man" in John 10:9 above, does not mean man or men -
Gk. 5100 - "An enclitic indefinite pronoun; some or any person or
object". And so the Greek-English New Testament reveals that the
Greek text is literally translated only "I am the door, through me if
***ANYONE*** enter he will be saved" (John 10:9).]
...
Joh 10:14 I am the GOOD SHEPHERD, and know my sheep, and am known of
mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I
lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And *** OTHER SHEEP I HAVE, which are ** NOT ** OF THIS
FOLD,: them also I must bring, and THEY SHALL HEAR MY VOICE, and there
shall be ONE FOLD, and ONE SHEPHERD.***
Gentiles are the "neighbor" in the following (verse 34), whom the
Israelites will no longer have to teach (there is "his neighbor" and
"his brother" in the same verse) "for they shall all know me".
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a
new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their
fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of
the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an
husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the
house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law
in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their
God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And *** they shall teach no more every man his NEIGHBOR,
and every man his BROTHER, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall ALL
KNOW ME, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the
LORD: for I will FORGIVE their iniquity, and I will REMEMBER THEIR SIN
NO MORE.
I am content to be what God made me at this time ...and I'm not even
sure what that is (but it is a matter of trust), as no one knows who
the lost sheep of Israel are because they were scattered and
interspersed with the Gentiles, and I've recently discovered my
mother's maiden name has Jewish-German origins, and the majority, 80%,
of the remaining Jews are Ashkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic
Jews or Ashkenazim, literally German Jews.
>
> Isa 45:20 “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
> have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
> up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
> not save.
> Isa 45:21 “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel
> together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from
> that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a
> righteous Ěl and a Saviour, there is none besides Me.
> Isa 45:22 “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I
> am Ěl, and there is none else.
>
> Isn't it amazing how you put scriptures right in front of there eyes
> and they still run around in denial?
It really is sad. They are afraid of the Messiah and think only Paul
can save them.
I think Qadosh is right, and you have also pointed out, let the blind
lead the blind, leave them alone - even when they attack the words of
the Messiah and replace his words with the words of their false
apostle paul and his substitute 'god' Iesous Christos.
I noticed when the electric was off around here for nine days, it left
me feeling so calm and happy.
And I thought, 'what was different and so good about no electric?'
And I realized that, although I still read the Scriptures some by
flashlight and candlelight, I wasn't being subjected to seeing the
blasphemy and heresy of the Pauline Christians on here, and the way
they reject the words of the Messiah in favor of the words of their
false apostle, and how they treat believers in Messiah, and especially
the way they work against the goals of the Messiah by attacking and
attempting to reject those who are beginning to believe and are
becoming new converts to the teachings of the Messiah.
>
> Shalom,
> *´¨)
> ¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
> (¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua<-- my sitehttp://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
guardian Snow
> And I thought, 'what was different and so good about no electric?'
> And I realized that, although I still read the Scriptures some by
> flashlight and candlelight, I wasn't being subjected to seeing the
> blasphemy and heresy of the Pauline Christians on here, and the way
> they reject the words of the Messiah in favor of the words of their
> false apostle, and how they treat believers in Messiah, and especially
> the way they work against the goals of the Messiah by attacking and
> attempting to reject those who are beginning to believe and are
> becoming new converts to the teachings of the Messiah.
Mat 5:12 “Rejoice and be glad, because your reward in the heavens is
great. For in this way they persecuted the prophets who were before
you.
Maybe you figured out what "come out of her my people" means... :)
I think... for the most part, they only reason me and you are still
around here is for people like... say Rod for example that haven't
been caught up in the lies yet.
Mat 18:13 “And if he should find it, truly, I say to you, he rejoices
more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go
astray.
Mat 18:14 “Thus it is not the desire of your Father who is in the
heavens that one of these little ones should be lost.
Linda Lee
> Snow, Linda....anyone, have you been keeping up on the debate
> this evening ? Obama is embarrassing McCain, making him appear
> the betrayer of confidence that he seems to be.
>
> Any opinions on the contents of the debate ?
>
> Rod
Look at this, Rod,
The Republicans are liars.
"By David Cho
washingtonpost.com
WASHINGTON - Behind closed doors at an early breakfast this summer,
Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke shared his concerns with
Henry M. Paulson Jr. about the treasury secretary's plans for a
massive bailout of a troubled segment of the financial markets: ***
Could he really get a Democratic Congress to grant broad new powers to
a lame-duck Republican administration? ***
Paulson said he was confident. *** About two weeks later, Congress
indeed handed Paulson sweeping authority to rescue ailing mortgage
financiers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.***
**** Now, as Congress considers a second request from Treasury -- this
time for broad discretion to spend $700 BILLION to buy troubled assets
from distressed Wall Street firms **** -- Paulson again confronts the
liability of working for an administration in its twilight. Only this
time, he's discovering that it's harder to get what he wants.
***** Paulson is also finding his CREDIBILITY QUESTIONED after having
told lawmakers TWO MONTHS AGO that he had NO INTENTION of using his
NEW AUTHORITY to RESCUE FANNIE MAE and FREDDIE MAC, ULTIMATELY PUTTING
TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON THE LINE to do so.*****
After Bernanke heard Paulson's self-assured response at their
breakfast, the Fed chairman replied: ''I'll back you up. Do everything
you can to get it,'' according to Paulson, who recently recounted the
meeting.
This week, Bernanke has again given Paulson his full support as the
two men press Congress on their ambitious bailout of the financial
system. But so far, even Bernanke's stature has not been enough to
persuade Capitol Hill to approve the measure over * widespread voter
objections.*
"We don't deal only with Wall Street. We deal with Wall Street, but we
also deal with Main Street," Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-
Nev.) said at a news conference yesterday. "And Secretary Paulson,
fine man that he is, has learned a lot about how we serve our
constituents. And so these obstacles can be overcome, but those
appointed officials, like Paulson and Bernanke, are going to have to
become more realistic."" - from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26913664
Linda Lee
wrote:
> Linda Lee wrote:
> > On Sep 27, 9:12am, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Innews:a677a6d3-7cb3-4d96...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
> >> Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> typed:
>
> >>>>> I'm voting for OBAMA the first week of October as early voting is
> >>>>> encouraged as soon as September 30th.
>
> >>>>http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-...
>
> >>> Someone's blog - fascinating.
>
> >>http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-...
>
> >> Actually it was not my point. My point was that it shows a VIDEO CLIP
> >> with Obama in which he is talking about his MUSLIM faith.
>
> >> Just watch it!
>
> > Dense one; I've seen it and you're twisting it like you twist
> > everything else.
>
> >> So why would a Messianic Jew vote a Muslim for President?
>
> > ??? I am not a Messianic Jew. I suppose if you must label me and of
> > course you must, I am a non-denominational Messianic.
>
> >> Are you a friend of Israel at all, Linda Lee?
>
> > You're pathetically transparent veralein. There are Jewish posters
> > here who plan to vote for Obama who are much brighter than you and
> > know what they're doing.
>
> Yes there are and they are non-religious Jews who wouldn't hesitate to give
> the Lord's land to His enemies or to wipe their behinds with the Torah.
You're always the LIAR, freddieboy/chung whose evil spirit is always
in evidence. That is a disgusting statement; tell it to Rob Strom, who
doesn't post on the Sabbath because he is a believing Jew and who says
he is voting for Obama and whom you've just libeled and decimated.
You're so freaking IGNORANT, it isn't even funny. Do you really
ignorantly think God won't make you pay for your attacks on his
people?
>
> Observant Jews who love His land, honor His Torah, and note the anti-Israel
> voting records of Obama and his running mate wouldn't.http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/127596
That doesn't excuse your attacks on the people of God. Even your
'god' Paul claimed (falsely) to be an Israelite Jew.
Just like everyone else, the Jews have differing opinions. As the
saying goes, "two Jews, three opinions".
So you would have the warmongering McCain who is so totally BLIND and
greedy he announces he intends to continue the unnecessary 3 BILLION
DOLLAR A DAY war in Iraq his buddy Bush (always with McCain's
supporting votes) brought about with his lies about Saddam Hussein
having mass weapons of destruction while they let Osama Ben Ladin's
terrorist organization that killed over 4,000 Americans on 9/11
operate with impunity and grow all over the world?
>
> --
> His [Paul's ...and now Ben Ladin's],
Rod
> On Sep 26, 9:42 pm, Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
>> Snow, Linda....anyone, have you been keeping up on the debate
>> this evening ? Obama is embarrassing McCain, making him appear
>> the betrayer of confidence that he seems to be.
>>
>> Any opinions on the contents of the debate ?
>>
>> Rod
>
>
> Look at this, Rod,
>
> The Republicans are liars.
And then some..this puts the fear in me Linda...it's begging to look
as though we won't be able to stop the corporate thugs from ruining
the country..
I believe I'll talk to my wife about pulling the money out of the 401
k and what is left of mine as well. We'll have to take a penalty, but
thats better than losing it all.
I guess it's time to put the backup plan into action. I had an offer
3 days ago on our house, $69,000...I think we may take it and purchase
10 acres and build one of those $7,000 dollar underground homes.
Rod
Linda Lee
wrote:
> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>
>
>
> > In
> >news:a677a6d3-7cb3-4d96...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
> >>>> I'm voting for OBAMA the first week of October as early voting is
> >>>> encouraged as soon as September 30th.
>
> >>>http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-...
>
> >> Someone's blog - fascinating.
>
>
> > Actually it was not my point. My point was that it shows a VIDEO CLIP
> > with Obama in which he is talking about his MUSLIM faith.
>
> > Just watch it!
>
> A revealing Freudian slip. He was so comfortable with it after he said it
> that someone else had to point it out to him.
No, Stephanopolous jumped in and interrupted him and didn't let him
finish his statement. I see you too are so damned STUPID you couldn't
follow the subject under discussion when Obama was saying it was
McCain's presidential campaign's camp that has said Obama has a Muslim
faith, not McCain himself.
And who are McCain's top men in his presidential campaign? The same
SEVEN LOBBYISTS who were behind McCain's buddy Bush's campaign, and to
whom McCain would be forever indebted if they lied his way into the
White House too.
As a CHILD, Obama was raised in the Muslim faith because his FATHER
insisted upon it; I suppose you think he should have whacked his Dad
over the head and said 'no, I'm not going to the mosque!'; that would
have gone over just the same way it would if some Christian CHILD told
his Dad, 'no, I'm not going to your Christian church today!'.
You're just plain dumb.
You are doing to Obama exactly what you do to believers in the Messiah
here, demonizing him.
People like you *deserve* the effects of a George W. Bush.
>
> --
> His [Paul's and now Osama ben Ladin's],
::: good news runner :::
Linda Lee
wrote:
I've heard of eurodollars eventually replacing our dollars.
Regardless, the war in Iraq McCain is so hot to continue pursuing is
costing us billions of dollars a day and they are ignoring Osama ben
Ladin's terrorist who already attacked our mainland to grow unchecked.
It couldn't get more weird than that; they must be suicidal.
::: good news runner :::
news:f2deef0b-0ab0-4ec5...@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com,
Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com> typed:
The liar is you, lady. Fred is defibitely not Chung.
> That is a disgusting statement;
The statement is not, but the fact is.
> tell it to Rob Strom, who
> doesn't post on the Sabbath because he is a believing Jew and who says
> he is voting for Obama and whom you've just libeled and decimated.
But you have no problem with posting on a Sabbath...
> You're so freaking IGNORANT, it isn't even funny. Do you really
> ignorantly think God won't make you pay for your attacks on his
> people?
Eh?
[snip, because the rest of your rant was really too boring]
Rod
Good...then you won't be replying in the future.
Glenn
> On Sep 27, 4:48 pm, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, perhaps the government can save you.
>
<clip due to length, see the link>
Snow, thanks for posting the article.
Yes, "the people" actually the "sheeple" feel they need to be saved.
And someone should ask, "Who made the sheep afraid?"
Glenn
--
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
Linda Lee
> Linda Lee wrote:
> > On Sep 26, 9:42 pm, Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
> >> Snow, Linda....anyone, have you been keeping up on the debate
> >> this evening ? Obama is embarrassing McCain, making him appear
> >> the betrayer of confidence that he seems to be.
>
> >> Any opinions on the contents of the debate ?
>
> >> Rod
>
> > Look at this, Rod,
>
> > The Republicans are liars.
>
> And then some..this puts the fear in me Linda...it's begging to look
> as though we won't be able to stop the corporate thugs from ruining
> the country..
I think they already have. At least Congress has wised up somewhat
since the Treasurer's credibility is being questioned now due to his
proven lies from just a couple of months ago.
>
> I believe I'll talk to my wife about pulling the money out of the 401
> k and what is left of mine as well. We'll have to take a penalty, but
> thats better than losing it all.
Congress is making noises like they may reach a decision this Sunday.
>
> I guess it's time to put the backup plan into action. I had an offer
> 3 days ago on our house, $69,000...I think we may take it and purchase
> 10 acres and build one of those $7,000 dollar underground homes.
I've seen those homes on television; the one I saw had stone walls and
had been made beautiful.
Linda Lee
wrote:
> Innews:f2deef0b-0ab0-4ec5...@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com,
> Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> typed:
ROFLOL!!! TALK ABOUT A **** FREUDIAN SLIP - "Fred is deFIBitely not
Chung". **** I'll have to save that one. Hahahahaha!!
Like we should believe the lying Vera. Many people here have numerous
nyms; I think Fred is Chung, posting under Chung to condemn and as
Fred to spew Pauline garbage.
guardian Snow
> guardian Snow wrote:
> > On Sep 27, 4:48 pm, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>
> >> Yes, perhaps the government can save you.
>
> <clip due to length, see the link>
>
>
> Snow, thanks for posting the article.
>
> Yes, "the people" actually the "sheeple" feel they need to be saved.
>
> And someone should ask, "Who made the sheep afraid?"
Do you think anybody is actually willing to learn about there own
future? I don't. Politics and religion have a lot in common...
people insist they have the truth and nothing else will do and even if
you tell them the truth they won't believe it.
Maybe if I explained to Linda that Obama is like Apostle Paul, she
would understand but.. I don't know.. I mean, I lived in Chicago.. I
remember this guy and he's a Muslim. I don't see whats so hard to
understand that she's being lied to and TV stations are corporate
owned and don't tell you the truth.
I'm suprised anybody believes a word they see on the news these
days... I've got some good stories from when I use to work at CBS
headquarters...:)
::: good news runner :::
Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
I cannot say yet...
I am simply turned off when I read rants.
Glenn
>
>
>
<clip to point>
>
> I say again, you are a liar Vera. You do not know me well enough
> to know what I think, feel or believe, and just as Glenn has done
<clip>
Rod, I realize that posting to you is wasting my breath... but perhaps
someone else will read this...
First, you have declared what you believe, feel and think. You have
declared that you don't believe in God. You have declared that you do
believe some mis-begotten idea of what "Christianity" is and WHAT and
HOW Christians should act. You have stated that because Christians don't
act as YOU think they should you therefore reject Christianity!
You most likely support the separation of "Church" and "State," yet you
want Christians to manipulate or control the government to save your
investments, retirement funds and Job?
Where did you get the idea that Christians (as a religious group or
establishment) should involve themselves in Government policies and
economics?
You have a wrong idea about why the US Constitution written, and for
what purpose the US Government was established.
The Constitution and Government was NOT formed to MAKE you happy, or to
GIVE you a job.
You are crying because you lost your job. I can sympathize with that
loss, but I can not support the corrupt government's corrupt effort to
save the corrupt money lenders who have been raping poor home buyers
with subprime mortgages!
The money lenders are loosing money? THAT is a result of the Free Market
of Capitalism! THAT is a consequence of their own conduct!
The Government of the United States was NOT established to guarantee the
profits of the money lenders, or you, or anyone, a job.
Never-the-less, the "rescue of wall street" will be accomplished by the
rape of the US taxpayers. This will result in the Socialization of the
US Economy, and is part and parcel of the establishment of a One World
Government (see Rev 13), but it will NOT result in your former boss
having the money to pay for more gas or save your job.
Linda Lee
Very astute; that is exactly what some of the Pauline Christians here
try to do, discourage people from joining what they believe to be
their exclusive little club, and in so doing they work against the
main goal of the Messiah. There are some out in the world too, but
you can usually figure out who they are pretty quickly by the
unpleasant, predatory, and condemning aura they project regardless of
what lies about themselves and how holy they are they might spew.
All peoples are either God's or remain of "the serpent"/devil: 1 John
3:10 "In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of
the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he
that loveth not his brother."
I would say, judging by your discernment I've seen the last few days,
you (and that other person you and your wife observed) received the
Holy Spirit that day. Thank God, our Saviour Yahashua`, for it.
1 John 4:13 "Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us,
because he hath given us of his Spirit".
John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is
that loveth me [salvation in the form of the Saviour]: and he that
loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will
manifest myself to him."
Linda Lee
> Rod wrote:
>
> <clip to point>
>
>
>
> > I say again, you are a liar Vera. You do not know me well enough
> > to know what I think, feel or believe, and just as Glenn has done
>
> <clip>
>
> Rod, I realize that posting to you is wasting my breath... but perhaps
> someone else will read this...
>
> First, you have declared what you believe, feel and think. You have
> declared that you don't believe in God. You have declared that you do
> believe some mis-begotten idea of what "Christianity" is and WHAT and
> HOW Christians should act. You have stated that because Christians don't
> act as YOU think they should you therefore reject Christianity!
What do you expect when people have only encountered such phony
Christians as yourself? People like you have done more to drive
people away from God than the Devil himself.
His ideas of Christianity weren't "mis-begotten"; YOUR views of
Christianity are misbegotten, and he recognized you and your little
clique were not of God.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which *** come to you in sheep's
clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits.*** Do men gather grapes
of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a
corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a
corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down,
and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore ***** by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father
which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in
thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart
from me, ye that work iniquity. *****
Follow the teachings of the Messiah and quit doing the work of your
false apostle, the stooge of the devil.
Glenn
"Let me issue and control a Nation's money and I care not who makes its
laws". - Amsel (Amschel) Bauer Mayer Rothschild, 1838...
Linda Lee
Looked at your link, His [Paul's and ben Ladin's], and you're being
disgustingly deceptive again.
Your link begins by saying, "Aaron Klein, Jerusalem Bureau Chief for
WorldNetDaily.com, reports that the U.S. is planning to issue a letter
guaranteeing the country will back agreements reached during current
Israeli-Palestinian negotiations aimed at creating a Palestinian state
**** before President Bush leaves office in January."****
It continues, "**Also,** Dr. Michael Goldblatt, author of numerous
articles covering the Middle East, questions Obama’s commitment to
Israel and exposes the Democratic nominee’s inner circle as virulently
anti-Israel." This is a **single person criticizing Obama,** a person
who the link says is "Dr. Michael Goldblatt is a clinical psychologist
practicing in Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania."
Big deal - a psychologist - not even a real doctor like a psychiatrist
- is critical of Obama. You Republicans and phony Christians are all
alike - deceptive.
And the link's website says this psychologist guy is endorsed by
Republican PAT BUCHANAN, advisor to Ford, Nixon, and Reagan, and
sought the Republican nomination for president himself:
"Patrick Joseph "Pat" Buchanan (born November 2, 1938) is an American
political commentator, author, syndicated columnist, politician, and
broadcaster. Buchanan was a senior adviser to American presidents
Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan, and was an original
host on CNN's Crossfire. He sought the Republican presidential
nomination in 1992 and 1996. He ran on the Reform Party ticket in the
2000 presidential election." - from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Buchanan
> His [Paul's and ben Ladin's],
Rod
> In news:dMuDk.1588$as4...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com,
> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>>> In news:TQtDk.1930$c45...@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com,
>>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>>>
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> How boring!
>>>
>>>
>> Good...then you won't be replying in the future.
>
> I cannot say yet...
>
> I am simply turned off when I read rants.
>
You don't read your own posts as you write them ?
... Matt .....
>
>
> Snow, Linda....anyone, have you been keeping up on the debate
> this evening ? Obama is embarrassing McCain, making him appear
> the betrayer of confidence that he seems to be.
It wasn't hard either. Wish Palin was in a debate now that would be a
funny sight.
Wish Obama had picked Clinton as VP.
Matt
Linda Lee
> On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:42:58 -0500, Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > Snow, Linda....anyone, have you been keeping up on the debate
> > this evening ? Obama is embarrassing McCain, making him appear
> > the betrayer of confidence that he seems to be.
>
> It wasn't hard either. Wish Palin was in a debate now that would be a
> funny sight.
>
> Wish Obama had picked Clinton as VP.
I do too, and Biden even said Obama should have picked Clinton because
she was as popular as Obama.
However, I don't see how a sane society could elect mcCain, given his
support of initiating and now continuing the money-draining Iraqi war
and the present financial crisis brought about by his Republican
buddy, Bush.
I guess we'll see just how sane America is.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
> > Any opinions on the contents of the debate ?
>
> > Rod- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
... Matt .....
<li...@hipstargraphics.com> wrote:
>On Sep 27, 5:40 pm, ... Matt ..... <trdell1...@nsgmail.com > wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:42:58 -0500, Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Snow, Linda....anyone, have you been keeping up on the debate
>> > this evening ? Obama is embarrassing McCain, making him appear
>> > the betrayer of confidence that he seems to be.
>>
>> It wasn't hard either. Wish Palin was in a debate now that would be a
>> funny sight.
>>
>> Wish Obama had picked Clinton as VP.
>
>
>I do too, and Biden even said Obama should have picked Clinton because
>she was as popular as Obama.
>
>However, I don't see how a sane society could elect mcCain, given his
>support of initiating and now continuing the money-draining Iraqi war
>and the present financial crisis brought about by his Republican
>buddy, Bush.
>
>I guess we'll see just how sane America is.
With the below happening.
Pastors plan to defy IRS ban on political speech
I wonder if we make all Churches that endorse a candidate pay taxes
maybe we could reduce Bushes national debt.
Matt
Glenn
"People believe what the wish to believe." Julius Caesar
The news services are owned and operated by the same people who own and
operate the politicians... and banks. The senior editors of the major
news services are employees, as are politicians and business managers,
and they do as they are told.
News serves make every attempt to
a) tell people what they want to hear,
b) tell people what they have been told to tell them,
That is, they practice "news management," or they "Manage the News",
which is, in fact the fine art of propaganda.
AS for Obama, in his own book he said that his mother took him to
different churches and temples, and he learned different religions. So I
don't think he is Muslim any more than he's Christian or Hindu. What I
think is, that Obama is a "any religion" is OK, a "One World Religion
and One World Government" puppet. He, Obama, is OWNED by his
contributers -- the SAME people who own Bush, Clinton and McCain.
It does not matter if Obama or Clinton is elected, the US government
will continue to operate and function as it has for the last 80 or more
years. It does not matter if Clinton or Obama is elected, the US
Government and the European Union, and the world, will continue down the
path to hell.
See Revelation 13.
Linda Lee
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:47:03 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee
>
>
>
> <li...@hipstargraphics.com> wrote:
> >On Sep 27, 5:40 pm, ... Matt ..... <trdell1...@nsgmail.com > wrote:
> >> On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:42:58 -0500, Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >> > Snow, Linda....anyone, have you been keeping up on the debate
> >> > this evening ? Obama is embarrassing McCain, making him appear
> >> > the betrayer of confidence that he seems to be.
>
> >> It wasn't hard either. Wish Palin was in a debate now that would be a
> >> funny sight.
>
> >> Wish Obama had picked Clinton as VP.
>
> >I do too, and Biden even said Obama should have picked Clinton because
> >she was as popular as Obama.
>
> >However, I don't see how a sane society could elect mcCain, given his
> >support of initiating and now continuing the money-draining Iraqi war
> >and the present financial crisis brought about by his Republican
> >buddy, Bush.
>
> >I guess we'll see just how sane America is.
>
> With the below happening.
>
> Pastors plan to defy IRS ban on political speech
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4bk9tx
That is such BS. That is the same thing the Bush camp did with Kerry,
spread the rumor that no one who voted for him would go to heaven.
It says the churches who participate could lose their tax exempt
status for doing so and they certainly should be willing to pay for
their defiance of the law so they can manipulate their parishioners to
vote for their equally manipulative and misguided candidate.
::: good news runner :::
news:93d6f240-1eb0-470e...@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com,
Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com> typed:
> On Sep 27, 11:43 am, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I consider myself a messianic Jew.
>
> The Messianic Jewish organizations all accept Paul
That is good. It leaves you standing alone outside of the Christian
church.
> (although I have
> heard some don't, I can't locate them), so my son and I simply call
> ourselves Messianics, or Messianic Christians (as opposed to Pauline
> Christians), or non-denominational Messianics as my son suggested.
Non-denominational.... that says it all...
>> After all the covenants are with
>> Israel and Judah and not the gentiles contrary to what false apostle
>> teaches.
>
>
> We are not excluded if we follow the Messiah.
How could you if you reject Scripture - snip it or twist it?
[snipped the rest of the trash]
Linda Lee
wrote:
> Innews:93d6f240-1eb0-470e...@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com,
> Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> typed:
>
> > On Sep 27, 11:43 am, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au>
> > wrote:
>
> >> I consider myself a messianic Jew.
>
> > The Messianic Jewish organizations all accept Paul
>
> That is good. It leaves you standing alone outside of the Christian
> church.
>
> > (although I have
> > heard some don't, I can't locate them), so my son and I simply call
> > ourselves Messianics, or Messianic Christians (as opposed to Pauline
> > Christians), or non-denominational Messianics as my son suggested.
>
> Non-denominational.... that says it all...
>
> >> After all the covenants are with
> >> Israel and Judah and not the gentiles contrary to what false apostle
> >> teaches.
>
> > We are not excluded if we follow the Messiah.
>
> How could you if you reject Scripture - snip it or twist it?
>
> [snipped the rest of the trash]
>
Your unChristian hatred is noted - again.
Rod
> In news:kzkDk.1769$YU2...@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com,
> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>> Slow isn't a problem with me, I have plenty of that to spare. But I
>> need to be careful now because I told Vera she lied about me, so
>> I may end up in a coma before long...
>
> I did not know that you are stupid as well. I have nowhere lied about
> you. And yes, a coma would be great! It would solve a number of problems
> for you and the groups. But I doubt that you would be willing.... You
> prefer haunting Christian newsgroups with politics.
>
> About dreams...
>
> I saw a big book last night, and there were all the newsgroups postings
> in it, pictures inclusively. I browsed backwards and came to the part
> when Griz asked the group if they wanted to share things in a Christian
> community, and he asked who would be interested in that and who was not.
> I saw the pictures of people on vacations, I saw their children making
> music in the streets of very poor and hot areas, and I felt the beauty
> of this time again, and the love that was around. But I also knew that
> many of the people in the pictures were just lying and only eager to
> push some of their own doubtful ideas through which did not ask for God
> but for their own ego. They did not care about the community we had at
> all, just about their own ego, about their own views that were offside
> of the Christian path and outside of the Christian community of
> believers.
>
> What I can see nowadays is mostly a bunch of such people - and you are
> one of them. You come here pretending to be interested in us, but all
> you want is pushing your political views through and force them onto
> others. You think you could reach people here for that, and they would
> be too stupid to see your intentions. Rod, I am not, and most others are
> not, either.
>
> You come along to teach the Christians what Christian is?
Are you hearing voices in your head Vera telling you these things,
because it isn't the case. Personally Vera, if the Olympics had
competition for telling lies, you would just have earned a gold medal
with the post above.....
Don't worry, I am not offended so there is nothing to forgive, but you
may not be so fortunate with the next person you lie about. Stop now
while you can.
Good day Vera...
> It is not up
> to you, Rod, it is not.
>
Angelocracy
> Snow, Linda....anyone, have you been keeping up on the debate
> this evening ? Obama is embarrassing McCain, making him appear
> the betrayer of confidence that he seems to be.
>
>
> Rod
http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/2008/09/wwsd-what-would-sarah-palin-do.html
Rod
So far, thats very interesting and filled with options, I've more
reading to do though...
<Kelly>
> How do I say this ? Changes are taking place in me, something
> is very different from before. I'm wanting to do things that
> have never appealed to me before. it's like being filled with
> light, and having no place to put it..so you try to share it
> in any way that you can. Does this sound crazy ?
Sounds like another Rodney snow-job in the making to me.
<Kelly>
> And then some..this puts the fear in me Linda...it's begging to look
> as though we won't be able to stop the corporate thugs from ruining
> the country..
Too late.
> I believe I'll talk to my wife about pulling the money out of the 401
> k and what is left of mine as well. We'll have to take a penalty, but
> thats better than losing it all.
Penalty? The taxes hardly make it worth it.
> I guess it's time to put the backup plan into action. I had an offer
> 3 days ago on our house, $69,000...I think we may take it
Yes, take the money and run, Rodney. It's unlikely you will get that
kind of offer again on a house like yours anytime soon. Oh, and
remember to pay your capital gains tax...
> and purchase
> 10 acres and build one of those $7,000 dollar underground homes.
Don't forget to take your foil hat with you.
<Kelly>
> On Sep 27, 12:10 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>
> > > In
> > > Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> typed:
> > >>>> I'm voting for OBAMA the first week of October as early voting is
> > >>>> encouraged as soon as September 30th.
>
> > >>>http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-...
>
> > >> Someone's blog - fascinating.
>
> > >http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-...
>
> > > Actually it was not my point. My point was that it shows a VIDEO CLIP
> > > with Obama in which he is talking about his MUSLIM faith.
>
> > > Just watch it!
>
> > that someone else had to point it out to him.
>
> No, Stephanopolous jumped in and interrupted him and didn't let him
> finish his statement.
Stephanololous saved Obama's tuchus on that one. Obama was barreling
ahead with his Freudian slip and because the words were second nature
to him hadn't even realized what he said until George stepped in to
bail him out.
Fred A Stover
> On Sep 27, 11:09am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 27, 12:10pm, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net>
That is the point. If I were counselling someone and they made the statement
and reacted the way he did, I would suspect that he weren't being truthful,
point it out to him, and ask him to explain why he said it.
--
His,
More @ www.selah-tx.net
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the
Lord
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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever
shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
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Fred A Stover
> On Sep 27, 12:29pm, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>> Linda Lee wrote:
>>> On Sep 27, 9:12am, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Innews:a677a6d3-7cb3-4d96...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
>>>> Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> typed:
>>
>>>>>>> I'm voting for OBAMA the first week of October as early voting
>>>>>>> is encouraged as soon as September 30th.
>>
>>>>>> http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-...
>>
>>>>> Someone's blog - fascinating.
>>
>>>> http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-...
>>
>>>> Actually it was not my point. My point was that it shows a VIDEO
>>>> CLIP with Obama in which he is talking about his MUSLIM faith.
>>
>>>> Just watch it!
>>
>>> everything else.
>>
>>>> So why would a Messianic Jew vote a Muslim for President?
>>
>>> ??? I am not a Messianic Jew. I suppose if you must label me and of
>>> course you must, I am a non-denominational Messianic.
>>
>>>> Are you a friend of Israel at all, Linda Lee?
>>
>>> You're pathetically transparent veralein. There are Jewish posters
>>> here who plan to vote for Obama who are much brighter than you and
>>> know what they're doing.
>>
>> Yes there are and they are non-religious Jews who wouldn't hesitate
>> to give
>> the Lord's land to His enemies or to wipe their behinds with the
>> Torah.
>
>
> doesn't post on the Sabbath because he is a believing Jew and who says
> he is voting for Obama and whom you've just libeled and decimated.
You're the LIAR, and it isn't the religious Jews who despise their
birthright and give the Lord's land to His enemies. And why do you place Rob
Strom among the non-religious Jews? Jews who accept Jesu for Who He is are
Christians.
>
> You're so freaking IGNORANT, it isn't even funny. Do you really
> ignorantly think God won't make you pay for your attacks on his
> people?
>
His people are not the ones giving away His land.
>>
>> Observant Jews who love His land, honor His Torah, and note the
>> anti-Israel
>> voting records of Obama and his running mate
>> wouldn't.http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/127596
>
> That doesn't excuse your attacks on the people of God. Even your
> 'god' Paul claimed (falsely) to be an Israelite Jew.
You're the one attacking the people of God, including His apostle to the
gentiles.
> Just like everyone else, the Jews have differing opinions. As the
> saying goes, "two Jews, three opinions".
Yet it is the ones who trust in His promise who will receive His promise.
>
> So you would have the warmongering McCain who is so totally BLIND and
> greedy he announces he intends to continue the unnecessary 3 BILLION
> DOLLAR A DAY war in Iraq his buddy Bush (always with McCain's
> supporting votes) brought about with his lies about Saddam Hussein
> having mass weapons of destruction while they let Osama Ben Ladin's
> terrorist organization that killed over 4,000 Americans on 9/11
> operate with impunity and grow all over the world?
>
We don't have a war in Iraq, we have a war with terrorism which is also
being fought in Iraq as well as Afganistan, and initially did well until the
administration potentiated radical islamics by reviving the "piece process"
and their hopes of removing Israel from the land..
>>> Why are you spamming the newsgroups with your political agenda, you
>>> hypocrite?
Again, you are the liar. You're the one spamming an agenda. I made
observations.
Guardian Snow
> Big deal - a psychologist - not even a real doctor like a psychiatrist
> - is critical of Obama. You Republicans and phony Christians are all
> alike - deceptive.
>
> And the link's website says this psychologist guy is endorsed by
> Republican PAT BUCHANAN, advisor to Ford, Nixon, and Reagan, and
> sought the Republican nomination for president himself:
I think what your missing Linda is that both sides in the race are
liars and your trying to pick the better of two evils but that still
leaves you with evil. It's like do you prefer Romans or Galatians?
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
a moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam.
Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Linda Lee
> On Sep 27, 11:09 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 27, 12:10 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>
> > > > In
> > > >news:a677a6d3-7cb3-4d96...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
> > > > Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> typed:
> > > >>>> I'm voting for OBAMA the first week of October as early voting is
> > > >>>> encouraged as soon as September 30th.
>
> > > >>>http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-...
>
> > > >> Someone's blog - fascinating.
>
> > > >http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-...
>
> > > > Actually it was not my point. My point was that it shows a VIDEO CLIP
> > > > with Obama in which he is talking about his MUSLIM faith.
>
> > > > Just watch it!
>
> > > A revealing Freudian slip. He was so comfortable with it after he said it
> > > that someone else had to point it out to him.
>
> > No, Stephanopolous jumped in and interrupted him and didn't let him
> > finish his statement.
>
> Stephanololous saved Obama's tuchus on that one.
Baloney. His pretended shock and confusion and interjection of "You
mean your Christian faith" allows people like you to slander Obama.
The subject was NOT Obama's Christian faith, which Stephanopolous well
knew, the SUBJECT was the McCain camp claiming he was of the Muslim
faith because of his former Muslim faith as a child.
And you know, I don't even care if he is a Muslim, or a Christian, or
divided, or confused about whether he's a Muslim or a Christian or an
agnostic or an atheist. He's a member of a Christian church, whether
you like the minister or not, and I'll take his word for it that he's
a Christian before I'd take yours because I've seen how you act, and
it's not pretty.
I can't stand the lying warmonger McCain and am voting for Barack and
against McCain. It's ridiculous to base a political vote on the
person's professed faith and only idiots would do so.
> Obama was barreling
> ahead with his Freudian slip and because the words were second nature
> to him hadn't even realized what he said until George stepped in to
> bail him out.- Hide quoted text -
Linda Lee
I plan to vote in the first week of October.
Guardian Snow
wrote:
> Innews:93d6f240-1eb0-470e...@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com,
> Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> typed:
>
> > On Sep 27, 11:43 am, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au>
> > wrote:
>
> >> I consider myself a messianic Jew.
>
> > The Messianic Jewish organizations all accept Paul
>
> That is good. It leaves you standing alone outside of the Christian
> church.
That is fine by me. I don't need a church building to have faith or
haven't you heard that the body is the temple?
>
> Non-denominational.... that says it all...
Doesn't that leave you outside the church also?
Shalom,
*´¨)
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians
are
so unlike your Christ.
Mohandas Gandhi
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua <-- my site
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
Linda Lee
I don't, deceiver; I place him among Jewish posters who say they're
for Obama; it is you who slandered all Jews for Obama in a very ugly
manner.
> Jews who accept Jesu for Who He is are
> Christians.
What?
> --
> His [Paul's and ben Ladin's],
>
> More @www.selah-tx.net
>
> ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the
> Lord
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> Verily I say unto you, Whosoever
> shall not receive the kingdom of God
> as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
> (Mark 10:15)
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> <)))))))><- Hide quoted text -
<Kelly>
> Baloney. His pretended shock and confusion and interjection of "You
> mean your Christian faith" allows people like you to slander Obama.
He "pretended"? lol! Oh...okay. Whatever you say, LL.
> The subject was NOT Obama's Christian faith, which Stephanopolous well
> knew, the SUBJECT was the McCain camp claiming he was of the Muslim
> faith because of his former Muslim faith as a child.
Well, you're obviously confused. Obama himself said that McCain
hadn't said anything about "[his] Muslim faith".
Wanna try again?
> And you know, I don't even care if he is a Muslim, or a Christian, or
> divided, or confused about whether he's a Muslim or a Christian or an
> agnostic or an atheist. He's a member of a Christian church, whether
> you like the minister or not, and I'll take his word for it that he's
> a Christian before I'd take yours because I've seen how you act, and
> it's not pretty.
Uhh...no he's not. He resigned his membership months ago. As of
right now, he's not a member of any church.
Wanna try again?
> I can't stand the lying warmonger McCain and am voting for Barack and
> against McCain. It's ridiculous to base a political vote on the
> person's professed faith and only idiots would do so.
I think it's ridiculous to make statements that have no basis in fact
and then base your vote on those statements.
But I really wouldn't expect anything else from you, LL.
Linda Lee
> On Sep 28, 10:01 am, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Innews:93d6f240-1eb0-470e...@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com,
> > Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> typed:
>
> > > On Sep 27, 11:43 am, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au>
> > > wrote:
>
> > >> I consider myself a messianic Jew.
>
> > > The Messianic Jewish organizations all accept Paul
>
> > That is good. It leaves you standing alone outside of the Christian
> > church.
>
> That is fine by me. I don't need a church building to have faith or
> haven't you heard that the body is the temple?
I guess she imagines we couldn't walk into any Christian church if we
so pleased and desired to hear a lovely sermon based on the writings
of the false apostle Paul.
>
>
>
> > Non-denominational.... that says it all...
>
> Doesn't that leave you outside the church also?
>
> Shalom,
> *´¨)
> ¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
> (¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
> A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
>
> I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians
> are
> so unlike your Christ.
> Mohandas Gandhi
Looks like nothing much has changed since Gandhi said that.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua<-- my sitehttp://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
Linda Lee
> On Sep 27, 10:25 pm, Linda Lee <li...@hipstargraphics.com> wrote:
>
> > Baloney. His pretended shock and confusion and interjection of "You
> > mean your Christian faith" allows people like you to slander Obama.
>
> He "pretended"? lol! Oh...okay. Whatever you say, LL.
Okay, have it your way; he's too dumb to remember for a few minutes
what was the topic of discussion.
'Duh, what were we talking about? Your Christian faith? Your Muslim
faith?'
It was in the newspapers how Stephanopoulus continually interrupted
him; that shows an agenda.
>
> > The subject was NOT Obama's Christian faith, which Stephanopolous well
> > knew, the SUBJECT was the McCain camp claiming he was of the Muslim
> > faith because of his former Muslim faith as a child.
>
> Well, you're obviously confused. Obama himself said that McCain
> hadn't said anything about "[his] Muslim faith".
>
> Wanna try again?
Do you know what "McCain camp" means? Apparently not. Let me explain,
the camp is all the advisors and all the people supporting McCain and
trying to lie his way into office. Obama said McCain himself hadn't
said it, but the McCain CAMP had put the word out.
>
> > And you know, I don't even care if he is a Muslim, or a Christian, or
> > divided, or confused about whether he's a Muslim or a Christian or an
> > agnostic or an atheist. He's a member of a Christian church, whether
> > you like the minister or not, and I'll take his word for it that he's
> > a Christian before I'd take yours because I've seen how you act, and
> > it's not pretty.
>
> Uhh...no he's not. He resigned his membership months ago. As of
> right now, he's not a member of any church.
You can't read can you? I DON'T CARE.
Wanna try again?
>
> Wanna try again?
>
> > I can't stand the lying warmonger McCain and am voting for Barack and
> > against McCain. It's ridiculous to base a political vote on the
> > person's professed faith and only idiots would do so.
>
> I think it's ridiculous to make statements that have no basis in fact
> and then base your vote on those statements.
I have not done so.
>
> But I really wouldn't expect anything else from you, LL.
We're even then, as I don't expect much from you either, 316/Kelly.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the
world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that
believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in
the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the
world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their DEEDS
were EVIL.
Joh 3:20 For every one that DOETH evil hateth the light, neither
cometh to the light, lest his DEEDS should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds
may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
I hope you're aware that there's more to that teaching than verse 16.
It takes more than belief, which John tells us in the next few
verses. You have to walk the walk; not just talk the talk. 'Oh
yeah, John 3:16, that's the ticket!' Continue on.
::: good news runner :::
news:fa30af5e-60d3-4b1d...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com,
Linda Lee <li...@hipstargraphics.com> typed:
> On Sep 28, 1:42 am, "<Kelly>" <316k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 27, 10:25 pm, Linda Lee <li...@hipstargraphics.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Baloney. His pretended shock and confusion and interjection of "You
>>> mean your Christian faith" allows people like you to slander Obama.
>>
>> He "pretended"? lol! Oh...okay. Whatever you say, LL.
>
> Okay, have it your way; he's too dumb to remember for a few minutes
> what was the topic of discussion.
> 'Duh, what were we talking about? Your Christian faith? Your Muslim
> faith?'
> It was in the newspapers how Stephanopoulus continually interrupted
> him; that shows an agenda.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-muslim-faith.html
This is the VIDEO CLIP with Obama in which he is talking about his
MUSLIM faith. He was not interrupted for that at all - it came out
rather naturally.
Just watch it!
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-muslim-faith.html
Are you a friend of Israel at all, Linda Lee? Would you like to see a
probable Muslim ruling America? In case he is no Muslim: Would you like
America be governed by an idiot who does not know what he is publicly
saying like in this clip?
What if he "accidentally" says things to the wrong people?
You say you are a non-denominational Messianic - and do not want to be
called a Jew - why not, Linda?
Either you are a Muslim, or you have no identity at all. All that you
provide is made up by yourself. You are are no Jew. You are no
Christian. You do not belong to a church. You hate parts of God's Word.
You vote for Obama.
Who are you, Linda Lee?
>>> The subject was NOT Obama's Christian faith, which Stephanopolous
>>> well knew, the SUBJECT was the McCain camp claiming he was of the
>>> Muslim faith because of his former Muslim faith as a child.
>>
>> Well, you're obviously confused. Obama himself said that McCain
>> hadn't said anything about "[his] Muslim faith".
>>
>> Wanna try again?
>
> Do you know what "McCain camp" means? Apparently not. Let me explain,
> the camp is all the advisors and all the people supporting McCain and
> trying to lie his way into office. Obama said McCain himself hadn't
> said it, but the McCain CAMP had put the word out.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-muslim-faith.html
>>> And you know, I don't even care if he is a Muslim, or a Christian,
If he is a Muslim and claims to be a Christian to become the President
of the USA, he is a deceiver and traitor and liar - but I am not
surprised that you would not have a problem with that.
>>> or divided, or confused about whether he's a Muslim or a Christian
>>> or an agnostic or an atheist. He's a member of a Christian church,
>>> whether you like the minister or not, and I'll take his word for it
>>> that he's a Christian before I'd take yours because I've seen how
>>> you act, and it's not pretty.
>>
>> Uhh...no he's not. He resigned his membership months ago. As of
>> right now, he's not a member of any church.
^^^^^^^^^
That is correct.
Eh?
Why do you use God's name in vain, Linda, just to make a point against
Kelly? She is a sinner, sure, but we are all sinners - do not say you do
no sin. Should we dig a little there?
> I hope you're aware that there's more to that teaching than verse 16.
> It takes more than belief, which John tells us in the next few
> verses. You have to walk the walk; not just talk the talk. 'Oh
> yeah, John 3:16, that's the ticket!' Continue on.
You are the right one to claim the Bible says more...
Pardon me? What has this got to do with the topic here? Nothing! You
want to make a point by distraction from the focus. It is not about
Kelly here, but about Obama's being a probable Muslim. How could America
give this person a chance if there is the slightest doubt about his
loyalty? I do not get it...
Guardian Snow
> > I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians
> > are
> > so unlike your Christ.
> > Mohandas Gandhi
>
> Looks like nothing much has changed since Gandhi said that.
I think it's funny that I put quotes from Buddha and Gandhi, great MEN
of peace and they call me a whore but then they say Paul's letters are
GOD ALMIGHTY and they are the faithful "mouthpieces of God".
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua <-- my site
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
http://www.ucg.org/sermons/2008/05myselflow.wmv
A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church
“Hi. It's me. I know you're out there. I know you're working as
fast as you can to catch me. I thought I should call and let you know
how things stand. I know you're real proud of this world you've built,
the way it works, all the nice little rules and such, but I've got
some bad news. I've decided to make a few changes.”
Neo – The Matrix
Rod
>>>> Snow, Linda....anyone, have you been keeping up on the debate
>>>> this evening ? Obama is embarrassing McCain, making him appear
>>>> the betrayer of confidence that he seems to be.
>>>> Any opinions on the contents of the debate ?
>>>> Rod
>>> The Republicans are liars.
>> And then some..this puts the fear in me Linda...it's begging to look
>> as though we won't be able to stop the corporate thugs from ruining
>> the country..
>
> since the Treasurer's credibility is being questioned now due to his
> proven lies from just a couple of months ago.
>
>> I believe I'll talk to my wife about pulling the money out of the 401
>> k and what is left of mine as well. We'll have to take a penalty, but
>> thats better than losing it all.
>
>
>> I guess it's time to put the backup plan into action. I had an offer
>> 10 acres and build one of those $7,000 dollar underground homes.
>
> had been made beautiful.
>
>> Rod
>>
>>
>>
>>> "By David Cho
>>> washingtonpost.com
>>> WASHINGTON - Behind closed doors at an early breakfast this summer,
>>> Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke shared his concerns with
>>> Henry M. Paulson Jr. about the treasury secretary's plans for a
>>> massive bailout of a troubled segment of the financial markets: ***
>>> Could he really get a Democratic Congress to grant broad new powers to
>>> a lame-duck Republican administration? ***
>>> Paulson said he was confident. *** About two weeks later, Congress
>>> indeed handed Paulson sweeping authority to rescue ailing mortgage
>>> financiers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.***
>>> **** Now, as Congress considers a second request from Treasury -- this
>>> time for broad discretion to spend $700 BILLION to buy troubled assets
>>> from distressed Wall Street firms **** -- Paulson again confronts the
>>> liability of working for an administration in its twilight. Only this
>>> time, he's discovering that it's harder to get what he wants.
>>> ***** Paulson is also finding his CREDIBILITY QUESTIONED after having
>>> told lawmakers TWO MONTHS AGO that he had NO INTENTION of using his
>>> NEW AUTHORITY to RESCUE FANNIE MAE and FREDDIE MAC, ULTIMATELY PUTTING
>>> TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON THE LINE to do so.*****
>>> After Bernanke heard Paulson's self-assured response at their
>>> breakfast, the Fed chairman replied: ''I'll back you up. Do everything
>>> you can to get it,'' according to Paulson, who recently recounted the
>>> meeting.
>>> This week, Bernanke has again given Paulson his full support as the
>>> two men press Congress on their ambitious bailout of the financial
>>> system. But so far, even Bernanke's stature has not been enough to
>>> persuade Capitol Hill to approve the measure over * widespread voter
>>> objections.*
>>> "We don't deal only with Wall Street. We deal with Wall Street, but we
>>> also deal with Main Street," Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-
>>> Nev.) said at a news conference yesterday. "And Secretary Paulson,
>>> fine man that he is, has learned a lot about how we serve our
>>> constituents. And so these obstacles can be overcome, but those
>>> appointed officials, like Paulson and Bernanke, are going to have to
>>> become more realistic."" - fromhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26913664
>
Guess who is back spoiling for trouble...
Rod
> On Sep 27, 11:01 am, Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> And then some..this puts the fear in me Linda...it's begging to look
>> as though we won't be able to stop the corporate thugs from ruining
>> the country..
>
> Too late.
>
>> I believe I'll talk to my wife about pulling the money out of the 401
>> k and what is left of mine as well. We'll have to take a penalty, but
>> thats better than losing it all.
>
> Penalty? The taxes hardly make it worth it.
Taxes are a fact of life, a necessity.
>
>> I guess it's time to put the backup plan into action. I had an offer
>> 3 days ago on our house, $69,000...I think we may take it
>
> Yes, take the money and run, Rodney. It's unlikely you will get that
> kind of offer again on a house like yours anytime soon.
I see you're leading yourself around with your nose again...
> Oh, and
> remember to pay your capital gains tax...
That depends entirely on it being a house sale,
or an equity sale.
>
>> and purchase
>> 10 acres and build one of those $7,000 dollar underground homes.
>
> Don't forget to take your foil hat with you.
I'm aware of a rumor going around that you are issuing them from
your personal supply......
No Thanks...
Rod
Your statement comes from "carry over", much like a hang
over, only yours is the result of wearing a few of those foil hats
you've been handing out to others !
Rob Strom
wrote:
...
>
> Pardon me? What has this got to do with the topic here? Nothing! You
> want to make a point by distraction from the focus. It is not about
> Kelly here, but about Obama's being a probable Muslim. How could America
> give this person a chance if there is the slightest doubt about his
> loyalty? I do not get it...
Two very wrong things here:
1. Obama is in no way "a probable Muslim". He was raised by
a secular mother, nominally Christian, later joined Christian
churches,
and attended one particular Christian church for so many years
that he was attacked by his political opponents
based on the extreme nature of some of the pastor's speeches.
His affiliation is United Church of Christ.
2. You are indirectly slandering American Muslims (although Obama
is not one) by suggesting that they are or might be disloyal.
This used to be done with Jews and with Catholics; it is ugly,
and I thought our nation outgrew this in Kennedy's time.
It violates one of the most repeated commandments of
the Bible: do not harm a stranger, since you were a
stranger in the land of Israel.
If you want to go by what people mis-speak, McCain has a ton
of these -- the most recent being Spain being in Latin America.
If one is a serious Christian or,
like me, a "values voter", it is inconceivable that
one could pull a lever for a Republican this year,
especially not someone who has supported the
Bush regime the way McCain has. Republicans
have lied about important issues like war,
governed in secret and hid their deliberations
from the public, supported torture, violated
civil liberties, hung the poor and middle class out
to dry. How can that be "as you do for
the least of these you do for me"?? This is
before getting into lesser matters like:
the Keating 5 scandals,
McCain's throwing away his injured wife
for a rich younger woman, Palin's elopement,
raising a daughter getting pregnant at 16,
putting her into a shotgun marriage, putting
her already brain-injured to-be-born
baby at further risk by flying from
Texas to Alaska with her water broken,
her bullying and threatening behavior
as mayor and governor. Not
to mention's McCain's judgment in choosing her.
--
Rob Strom
Rod
> In
> news:fa30af5e-60d3-4b1d...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com,
> Linda Lee <li...@hipstargraphics.com> typed:
>> On Sep 28, 1:42 am, "<Kelly>" <316k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sep 27, 10:25 pm, Linda Lee <li...@hipstargraphics.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Baloney. His pretended shock and confusion and interjection of "You
>>>> mean your Christian faith" allows people like you to slander Obama.
>>> He "pretended"? lol! Oh...okay. Whatever you say, LL.
>> Okay, have it your way; he's too dumb to remember for a few minutes
>> what was the topic of discussion.
>> 'Duh, what were we talking about? Your Christian faith? Your Muslim
>> faith?'
>> It was in the newspapers how Stephanopoulus continually interrupted
>> him; that shows an agenda.
>
> http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-muslim-faith.html
>
> This is the VIDEO CLIP with Obama in which he is talking about his
> MUSLIM faith. He was not interrupted for that at all - it came out
> rather naturally.
>
> Just watch it!
>
> http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/oops-obama-talks-about-his-muslim-faith.html
>
>
> Are you a friend of Israel at all, Linda Lee? Would you like to see a
> probable Muslim ruling America?
So, you're "persniffian" ,are you ?????
It figures....
Glenn
> On Sep 27, 3:03 pm, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>> Rod wrote:
>>
>> <clip to point>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I say again, you are a liar Vera. You do not know me well enough
>>> to know what I think, feel or believe, and just as Glenn has done
>> <clip>
>>
>> Rod, I realize that posting to you is wasting my breath... but perhaps
>> someone else will read this...
>>
>> First, you have declared what you believe, feel and think. You have
>> declared that you don't believe in God. You have declared that you do
>> believe some mis-begotten idea of what "Christianity" is and WHAT and
>> HOW Christians should act. You have stated that because Christians don't
>> act as YOU think they should you therefore reject Christianity!
>
>
>
> What do you expect when people have only encountered such phony
> Christians as yourself? People like you have done more to drive
> people away from God than the Devil himself.
>
> His ideas of Christianity weren't "mis-begotten"; YOUR views of
> Christianity are misbegotten, and he recognized you and your little
> clique were not of God.
>
>
> Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which *** come to you in sheep's
> clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
> Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits.*** Do men gather grapes
> of thorns, or figs of thistles?
> Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a
> corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
> Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a
> corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
> Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down,
> and cast into the fire.
> Mat 7:20 Wherefore ***** by their fruits ye shall know them.
> Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
> into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father
> which is in heaven.
> Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
> prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in
> thy name done many wonderful works?
> Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart
> from me, ye that work iniquity. *****
>
>
> Follow the teachings of the Messiah and quit doing the work of your
> false apostle, the stooge of the devil.
"False apostle, the stooge of the devil"? What are you hysterical about?
What in the world does your hate of Paul have to do with Rod's false
conception of Christianity?
Where, in anything said of done by Messiah, did He support the
Government? Did Matthew or Luke describe the Messiah as being
interested, or involved, in Politics, or the criticism or correction of
the Government's policies?
How can the "modern church," aka "The World Council of Churches," be
involved in politics or attempt to manage or correct the Government and
its economic policies, when, in the United States, the Law prohibits
such actions and maintains a strict separation of Church and State?
Linda Lee, you suffer from delusion and hysteria.
Glenn
>
>
>> You most likely support the separation of "Church" and "State," yet you
>> want Christians to manipulate or control the government to save your
>> investments, retirement funds and Job?
>>
>> Where did you get the idea that Christians (as a religious group or
>> establishment) should involve themselves in Government policies and
>> economics?
>>
>> You have a wrong idea about why the US Constitution written, and for
>> what purpose the US Government was established.
>>
>> The Constitution and Government was NOT formed to MAKE you happy, or to
>> GIVE you a job.
>>
>> You are crying because you lost your job. I can sympathize with that
>> loss, but I can not support the corrupt government's corrupt effort to
>> save the corrupt money lenders who have been raping poor home buyers
>> with subprime mortgages!
>>
>> The money lenders are loosing money? THAT is a result of the Free Market
>> of Capitalism! THAT is a consequence of their own conduct!
>>
>> The Government of the United States was NOT established to guarantee the
>> profits of the money lenders, or you, or anyone, a job.
>>
>> Never-the-less, the "rescue of wall street" will be accomplished by the
>> rape of the US taxpayers. This will result in the Socialization of the
>> US Economy, and is part and parcel of the establishment of a One World
>> Government (see Rev 13), but it will NOT result in your former boss
>> having the money to pay for more gas or save your job.
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>> --
>>
>> www.thelittlebookopened.org[Key words:] "The Little Book";
>> Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
>
Linda Lee
> On Sep 28, 3:45 pm, Linda Lee <li...@hipstargraphics.com> wrote:
>
> > > I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians
> > > are
> > > so unlike your Christ.
> > > Mohandas Gandhi
>
> > Looks like nothing much has changed since Gandhi said that.
>
> I think it's funny that I put quotes from Buddha and Gandhi, great MEN
> of peace and they call me a whore but then they say Paul's letters are
> GOD ALMIGHTY and they are the faithful "mouthpieces of God".
>
> Shalom,
> *´¨)
> ¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
> (¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
>
>
> http://www.ucg.org/sermons/2008/05myselflow.wmv
> A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church
>
> “Hi. It's me. I know you're out there. I know you're working as
> fast as you can to catch me. I thought I should call and let you know
> how things stand. I know you're real proud of this world you've built,
> the way it works, all the nice little rules and such, but I've got
> some bad news. I've decided to make a few changes.”
>
> Neo – The Matrix
As you showed in the other thread on 'marana tha', Paul employed
practices of Hinduism to curse those who refused to follow his false
'gospel' and follow his hellenistic 'god' Iesous, banning them from
his 'church' and asking for divine judgment on them from his false
'god'.
1 Cor. 16:22 "If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be
Anathema Maranatha."
Maranatha - Gk. 3134 - "Of Chaldee origin (meaning our Lord has come);
maranatha, that is, an exclamation of the approaching divine
judgment".
Anathema - Gk. 331 - "a (religious) ban or (concretely)
excommunicated (thing or person)".
The Messiah healed the blind; Paul cursed others and literally blinded
them:
Acts 13:11 "And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and
thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately
there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking
some to lead him by the hand."
He's nauseating.
Linda Lee
He's adhering to the teachings of the Messiah lately, whereas you are
not since you curse the Jews.
>
> Where, in anything said of done by Messiah, did He support the
> Government? Did Matthew or Luke describe the Messiah as being
> interested, or involved, in Politics, or the criticism or correction of
> the Government's policies?
>
> How can the "modern church," aka "The World Council of Churches," be
> involved in politics or attempt to manage or correct the Government and
> its economic policies, when, in the United States, the Law prohibits
> such actions and maintains a strict separation of Church and State?
>
> Linda Lee, you suffer from delusion and hysteria.
You say that to a lot of people; you're projecting.
> >>www.thelittlebookopened.org[Keywords:] "The Little Book";
Linda Lee
> On Sep 28, 3:45 pm, Linda Lee <li...@hipstargraphics.com> wrote:
>
> > > I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians
> > > are
> > > so unlike your Christ.
> > > Mohandas Gandhi
>
> > Looks like nothing much has changed since Gandhi said that.
>
> I think it's funny that I put quotes from Buddha and Gandhi, great MEN
> of peace and they call me a whore but then they say Paul's letters are
> GOD ALMIGHTY and they are the faithful "mouthpieces of God".
They just throw out accusations blindly left and right because they
can't defend their false apostle; now Bad News Runner is claiming I
must be a Muslim. I guess she's also unaware that the Muslims don't
see the Messiah as God incarnate as the Saviour either.
>
> Shalom,
> *´¨)
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