Accepting a new relationship with YAHWEH.
guardian Snow
people.
Isa 54:5 “For your Maker is your husband, Yahweh of hosts is His Name,
and the Set-apart One of Yisra’ĕl is your Redeemer. He is called the
Elohim of all the earth.
How often have we all done it? Looked up into the empty sky and cried
out, “Lord” and we’ve tried to speak out to our almighty creator.
Restored name ministry isn’t against Christianity or Judaism, it’s
about helping our brothers better understand the relationship we are
to have with our Elohim, Yahweh EL Shaddai.
I spend a lot of time trying to help people understand the importance
of a renewed tongue but not for personal vanity or that because my
ministry uses the name of our Almighty we somehow can now manipulate
the creator, it’s about a renewal of that forgotten relationship that
was originally intended for us and our creator, a very intimate and
personal relationship and not just one of servant and Lord.
In many aspects, Christianity has the one area of our relationship
with Yahweh correct or at least my previous knowledge of the religion
from my personal experience. The only problem with Christianity is
that they have made that which is without form into a man but John
clearly tells us YHWH is a spirit.
Joh 4:24 Elohim is Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him
in spirit and in truth.
This spirit, named to Moses for all generations (Exo 3:15) is named
YHWH. Christians have no desire for this knowledge because it
destroys the very building blocks of their false belief that says the
Father is without mercy or compassion to those who have sinned without
the blood atonement of Jesus Christ and yet, careful restoration of
scriptures illustrates that forgiveness is not a New Testament
teaching or limited to animal sacrifice.
Psa 86:5 For thou, YHWH, art good, and ready to forgive; and plenteous
in mercy unto all them that call upon thee.
Christians have become distant and ignorant of YHWH and unfortunately
call upon the pagan name of Iesus (HeZues) having become reliant on
translation upon translation instead of simply seeking the Hebrew
source that proclaims his name as Yehoshua (Zech 6: 11-12).
I love my Christian brothers but they have no desire for knowledge of
Elohim.
Hos 4:6 “My people have perished for lack of knowledge. Because you
have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being priest for Me. Since
you have forgotten the Torah of your Elohim, I also forget your
children.
They fail to understand that by their anti-Semitic approach to the
scriptures, they are destroying themselves and so I continue to
attempt to warn them of their impending run with disaster. Rather
than taking the racist approach to scriptures they should be embracing
the Hebrew roots but they have no desire to understand this because
they are proudly invested in man’s faulty tradition.
Fortunately for them YHWH is so compassionate that he will use a
sliding scale based on the heart and knowledge of men.
Psa 44:20 If we have forgotten the Name of our Elohim, Or stretched
out our hands to a foreign mighty one,
Psa 44:21 Would Elohim not search this out? For He knows the secrets
of the heart.
I do not believe that those unable to grasp these deeper concepts will
be harshly judged but those who live in denial of YHWH’s truth
willfully will come into the more serious judgment.
Jas 3:1 Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, knowing
that we shall receive greater judgment.
Knowing that I have now subjected myself for your sake to this greater
judgment, I try to impart to you with importance the true knowledge of
our compassionate Elohim. I do so also without fear because as my own
family is quick to forgive me, I understand that my heavenly Father
understands the very intensions of my heart, to be faith to his
teachings and convey that understanding to my brothers.
Hos 2:19 “And I shall take you as a bride unto Me forever, and take
you as a bride unto Me in righteousness, and in right-ruling, and
kindness and compassion. 20 “And I shall take you as a bride unto Me
in trustworthiness, and you shall know Yahweh.
For those of you who are married, you have a deeper understanding of
the true relationship you should be having with Yahweh in that you
serve each other in love. Instead of looking up to the heavens next
time brothers and sisters, look all around you and inside of you.
Look to your own home and look inside:
Deu 4:19 and lest you lift up your eyes to the heavens, and shall see
the sun, and the moon, and the stars – all the host of the heavens –
and you be drawn away into bowing down to them and serving them, which
Yahweh your Elohim has allotted to all the peoples under all the
heavens. 20 “But Yahweh has taken you and brought you out of the iron
furnace, out of Mitsrayim, to be His people, an inheritance, as it is
today.”
Don’t be like “all the people”, you are a treasured possession, a
nation of priest to establish the Torah of Yahweh here on earth.
1Pe 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a set-apart
nation, a people for a possession, that you should proclaim the
praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvellous
light,
Instead, look to Yahweh as you would your own family because that is
the very essence of our belief, that Yahweh has compassion on you. Do
you look to the heavens when you call on your own family? Would you
look to the sky and call for your wife/husband/mother/father or do you
reach out and speak with them as if they are right next to you? Seek
this type of relationship, stop calling on “the Lord” in the sky and
start calling Abba Yahweh, he’s been with you all along.
Psa 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they
comfort me. 5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine
enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. 6
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and
I will dwell in the house of YHWH for ever.
Be blessed and learn to renew your marriage.
Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are
called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me,
These are the true sayings of YHWH.
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>Restored name ministry isn't against Christianity or Judaism, it's
>about helping our brothers better understand the relationship we are
>to have with our Elohim, Yahweh EL Shaddai.
Jeremiah 53: 1 - The Lord, wanting to feel closer to his earthy creations,
has asked
that his earthy creations call him by the nickname "SPY".
Later in Ezekiel 49: 2, we learn that SPY in fact means SKY PIXIE for YOU.
Always use the bible to explain the bible.
Smile.
guardian Snow
> "guardian Snow" <> wrote in message ...
> >Restored name ministry isn't against Christianity or Judaism, it's
> >about helping our brothers better understand the relationship we are
> >to have with our Elohim, Yahweh EL Shaddai.
> Always use the bible to explain the bible.
>
> Smile.
Always use scriptures to define why I have the belief of Yahweh. I am
smiling, thanks. I hope you have a brilliant day.
guardian Snow
> On Jun 14, 9:10 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > Yahweh speaks to his people in scriptures as a “husband” to his
> > people.
>
> > Isa 54:5 “For your Maker is your husband, Yahweh of hosts is His Name,
> > and the Set-apart One of Yisra’ĕl is your Redeemer. He is called the
> > Elohim of all the earth.
>
> > How often have we all done it? Looked up into the empty sky and cried
> > out, “Lord” and we’ve tried to speak out to our almighty creator.
>
> forbids calling him "Master"?
First off, this response is recognition of you but not your motives.
I desire that people learn of YAHWEH and turn away from strife and the
Hebrew Scriptures are my guiding light. You deserve a response for
the sake of conversation but I recognize that you have no desire for
my understanding. These questions you have asked are like that of
your Pharisee father where you proceed to demonstrate that you have
your answers already. You did not ask for the sake of having them
answered because you know:
Jer 12:16 And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the
ways of my people, to swear by my name, YHWH liveth; as they taught my
people to swear by Baal [LORD]; then shall they be built in the midst
of my people.
> You can only contrive this by making up
> a story about the god Baal and the English pronunciation of the word
> God, which is wholly contradicted by the fact that in other languages
> such sound-similarities do not even exist, yet they call him God and
> Lord in their own languages.
You know this to be a lie. The Hebrew word Elohim does not indicate
deity; otherwise you would also have to worship Moses. (Exodus 7:1)
Any person willing to examine the preface of any version of scriptures
will find that the name of YAHWEH is removed from scriptures and
replaced by “Lord” because of man’s tradition. We’ve been down this
road many times now and you refuse to learn the truth because like
Pharaoh, you are stiff necked and hard of heart.
> > Restored name ministry isn’t against Christianity or Judaism, it’s
> > about helping our brothers better understand the relationship we are
> > to have with our Elohim, Yahweh EL Shaddai.
>
> You claim to be one who sets the truth in order, but then you proceed
> to completely mangle the gospel and lead people away from a
> relationship with the Creator,
I did not make that claim. I follow in the footsteps of my Messianic
brothers but in your mind, the creator is created, is a man who came
in his own name that men saw and spoke with.
Joh 5:37 “And the Father who sent Me, He bore witness of Me. You have
neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
It is you that continues to live in denial of the scriptures that you
will now continue to argue against and dredge out apologetic
quotations from the faulty translation while continuing in false
worship.
> by forbidding them to trust in the
> atoning blood of Yeshua, and saying that he is not YHWH, but is a
> lesser created being.
Mat 12:18 Behold my SERVANT, whom I have chosen…
For one to be a servant, they must have a master and to be chosen, one
who made the choice. The very fact that Yehoshua was offered the
world if he bowed down to Satan is proof he did not create it.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Yahushua unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it
is written, Thou shalt worship YHWH thy Elohim, and him only shalt
thou serve.
>But John said "In the beginning was the Word and
> the Word was WITH YHWH (i.e. he was ALWAYS with him), and the Word WAS
> YHWH (i.e. the Word that became flesh is YHWH).
Notice how you added to the word to suite your own interpretation. It
does not say the word was Yehoshua.
> > I spend a lot of time trying to help people understand the importance
> > of a renewed tongue
>
> That is because you have a faulty translation and do not realize that
> it does not say "they shall speak with renewed tongues", but "they
> shall speak with new tongues",
Your still speaking the same old tongue.
> and because you do not understand that
> this is speaking about a spiritual gift.
Which is available to all that ask.
Mat 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer,
believing, ye shall receive.
You’ll find the false apostle Paul doesn’t give you this
understanding.
> > but not for personal vanity or that because my
> > ministry uses the name of our Almighty we somehow can now manipulate
> > the creator,
>
> You say you do not manipulate the creator, but you do try to
> manipulate others by making a claim to be the only ones who really
> worship YHWH, when in fact Christians worship YHWH too, and always
> have. Your dirty trick is to make Christians seem to be arguing
> against the worship of YHWH, thus making them look antisemitic. What a
> dark lie! You make it so that no one can contest your false doctrines
> without coming against YHWH! What a clever trick!
Your prayers are not to YHWH but to Yeshua or Lord God, so why do you
falsely accuse me?
> But YHWH is not
> fooled and neither are his children.
You assume you are his and then revert to prayers in the name of
“Gawd”.
> > it’s about a renewal of that forgotten relationship that
> > was originally intended for us and our creator, a very intimate and
> > personal relationship and not just one of servant and Lord.
>
> Relationship with the Creator is the message of Christianity which you
> have usurped and warped for your own purposes, which amount to
> demeaning the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, Yeshua ha Meshiach,
> Jesus the Christ, to the status of a lesser "Elohim" or as you
> translate it “Mighty One”, rather than keeping Him on the throne with
> His Father,
Scriptures do not say this:
Mar 16:19 So then after Yahushua had spoken unto them, he was received
up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of YHWH.
You can continue to attempt your overthrow but even Yehoshua said
clearly that he sat on the right hand of YHWH, not in his throne.
where He belongs. By this evil deception, you try to steal
> the glory of the Son by conning others into thinking that honoring the
> Son "too much" will take away honor from the Father.
You talk in circles, you just said the son was the Father.
>That is a
> complete lie. The Father loves the Son, and has granted him the name
> that is above all other names.
You lack scriptural support outside of mistranlsations.
Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
another, neither my praise to graven images.
> The Father wants us to come to the Son
> for salvation.
Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel
together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it
from that time? have not I YHWH? and there is no Elohim else beside
me; a just El and a Saviour; there is none besides me.
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth:
for I am El, and there is none else.
Now I know you continued for much more but suffice to say that every
point you have made so far is wrong and the difference between us is
that I do not remove the name of YHWH to support my dogma as you do.
Deu 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither
shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of
YAHWEH your Elohim which I command you.
You must take away from the word of the Torah in order to continue
your false worship and I am telling you that because you have no true
love of YHWH, you have been given over to false worship.
Deu 4:28 And there ye shall serve elohim, the work of men's hands,
wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
The word is true and you do not wish to understand that you are
cursed, just as Peter told you.
2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin;
beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous
practices; cursed children:
Why?
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of Yahweh your Elohim to naught,
for Yahweh does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to
naught.
Because you have no desire to guard the commandment, you believe that
you can overthrow the reigns of YHWH by your faith.
Jas 2:14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief
but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.
Yet, you do not even believe the Messiah who told you:
Joh 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word and
believes in HIM WHO SENT ME possesses everlasting life, and does not
come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
Deu 32:3 “For I proclaim the Name of [Yahweh] יהוה, Ascribe greatness
to our Elohim.
His name is not Baal Gawd! You have taken another to be yours, repent
and turn to YHWH and believe Yehoshua.
Mat 9:13 “But go and learn what this means, ‘I desire compassion and
not offering.’ For I did not come to call the righteous to repentance,
but sinners.”
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guardian Snow
> guardian Snow wrote:
> > Yahweh speaks to his people in scriptures as a “husband” to his
> > people.
> > Isa 54:5 “For your Maker is your husband, Yahweh of hosts is His Name,
> > and the Set-apart One of Yisra’ĕl is your Redeemer. He is called the
> > Elohim of all the earth.
> > How often have we all done it? Looked up into the empty sky and cried
> > out, “Lord” and we’ve tried to speak out to our almighty creator.
> I believe the website I'm about to post will be a big help
> to understanding the Names of El and explain there proper usage,
> as was done with the Hebrews.
> After all, why accept second hand rumor from atheists when you can
> have fact ?
> http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/Elohim/elohim.html
There is only ONE. יהוה
Exo 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to
the children of Yisra’ĕl, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of
Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Yaʽaqoḇ, has sent
me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all
generations.’
This is the ONLY name ever given.
Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
another, neither my praise to graven images.
Do not get into man's tradition of adding the many TITLES of Yahweh,
these are not names. At the very least, call them what they are.
It's a Kabbalist (man's) tradition to say that Yahweh has more then
one name and this only confuses people.
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the
name of YAHWEH shall be saved.
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the
name of YAHWEH shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem
shall be deliverance, as YAHWEH hath said, and in the remnant whom
YAHWEH shall call.
The page you have linked to is WRONG and is full of lies. His name is
Yahweh and it's recorded in Hebrew scriptures 6700 times this ONE way.
This page is BABYLON. Notice that it uses ELOHIM as part of his
name? Then it says, "God"... this only confuses people.
As I have pointed out, Elohim does not mean deity, it means, "mighty
one" and is applied to pagan deities and is a title that is not to be
used as a name since all it does is describe an attribute.
Psa 82:6 I, I said, “You are elohim, And all of you are sons of the
Most High.
Does Yahweh share his name with you?
Isa 29:23 “For when he sees his children, the work of My hands, in his
midst, they shall set apart My Name, and set apart the Set-apart One
of Yaʽaqoḇ, and fear the Elohim of Yisra’ĕl.
Isa 29:24 “And those who went astray in spirit shall come to
understanding, and the grumblers accept instruction.”
Remember, it is a transgression to add to the word. He says his name
is Yahweh.
guardian Snow
> >>>> Do you know so much that you can well afford to learn no more ?
> >>> Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the
> >>> name of YAHWEH shall be saved.
> >>> Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the
> >>> name of YAHWEH shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem
> >>> shall be deliverance, as YAHWEH hath said, and in the remnant whom
> >>> YAHWEH shall call.
> >>> on.
> >>> Rev 14:1 And I looked and saw a Lamb standing on Mount Tsiyon, and
> >>> with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s Name
> >>> written upon their foreheads.
> >>> And not a lot of people have it.
> >> Very true, and they need to understand *why*, and who is responsible
> >> for that and *why*, which is key. Why they should use and fear MISUSE
> >> of the NAME.
>
> >> If they do not understand, they may not cooperate even when it's for
> >> their own welfare. Some people are like that !
>
> > Now you get it brother... The many titles of Yahweh honor his
> > righteousness, his strength and many awesome attributes but we only
> > need to know one name under heaven that saves us just as he saved
> > Yehoshua. I am led to post 4 scriptures to you for your discernment:
>
> > Psa 82:6 I, I said, “You are elohim, And all of you are sons of the
> > Most High.
>
> > in spirit and truth.”
>
> > Isa 58:5 “Is it a fast that I have chosen, a day for a man to afflict
> > his being? Is it to bow down his head like a bulrush, and to spread
> > out sackcloth and ashes? Do you call this a fast, and an acceptable
> > day to Yahweh?
> > Isa 58:6 “Is this not the fast that I have chosen: to loosen the tight
> > cords of wrongness, to undo the bands of the yoke, to exempt the
> > oppressed, and to break off every yoke?
>
> > Mat 17:18 And Yehoshua rebuked the demon, and he came out of him. And
> > the child was healed from that hour.
> > Mat 17:19 Then the taught ones came to Yehoshua by Himself and said,
> > “Why were we unable to cast him out?”
> > Mat 17:20 And Yehoshua said to them, “Because of your unbelief, for
> > truly, I say to you, if you have belief as a mustard seed, you shall
> > say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it shall move.
> > And no matter shall be impossible for you.
> > Mat 17:21 “But this kind does not go out except through prayer and
> > fasting.”
>
> But you know, this brings to mind something that happened in a church
> that I had membership in. A lady's 18 year old daughter was diagnosed
> with acute lymphatic luekemia, and the congregation kept calling on god
> to restore her to health, and nothing happened. Now, many atheists would
> immediately jump on a failure like this as a sure sign of no god, but
> that isn't so. The instructions for calling on His name for mercy were
> in the bible until they were watered down and made of no effect.
But see, you get it now. All these people are going around in strife
arguing about silly things in vanity and not grasping just how simple
the truth is. All the preaching about death and suffering that go
contrary to the very doctrine Yehoshua preached and they are so hung
up on man made traditions and teachings... that when you explain the
simplicity of the Torah to them say all manner of wicked things about
you... I mean... sing4free is a nice Christian person and I try to
explain to him and you saw the accusations laid at my door.. He said I
was nothing short of the antiChrist himself...
They just don't want to get it...
Rod
> On Jun 16, 9:00 am, Rod <Firefly200...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> guardian Snow wrote:
>>> On Jun 16, 7:45 am, Rod <Firefly200...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> guardian Snow wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 16, 7:13 am, Rod <Firefly200...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Do you know so much that you can well afford to learn no more ?
>>>>> Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the
>>>>> name of YAHWEH shall be saved.
>>>>> Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the
>>>>> name of YAHWEH shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem
>>>>> shall be deliverance, as YAHWEH hath said, and in the remnant whom
>>>>> YAHWEH shall call.
>>>>> What I know brother is that only ONE NAME is required to know and call
>>>>> on.
>>>>> Rev 14:1 And I looked and saw a Lamb standing on Mount Tsiyon, and
>>>>> written upon their foreheads.
>>>>> And not a lot of people have it.
>>>> Very true, and they need to understand *why*, and who is responsible
>>>> for that and *why*, which is key. Why they should use and fear MISUSE
>>>> of the NAME.
>>>> If they do not understand, they may not cooperate even when it's for
>>>> their own welfare. Some people are like that !
>>> Now you get it brother... The many titles of Yahweh honor his
>>> righteousness, his strength and many awesome attributes but we only
>>> need to know one name under heaven that saves us just as he saved
>>> Yehoshua. I am led to post 4 scriptures to you for your discernment:
>>> Most High.
>>> Joh 4:24 �Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
>>> in spirit and truth.�
>>> Isa 58:5 �Is it a fast that I have chosen, a day for a man to afflict
>>> his being? Is it to bow down his head like a bulrush, and to spread
>>> out sackcloth and ashes? Do you call this a fast, and an acceptable
>>> day to Yahweh?
>>> cords of wrongness, to undo the bands of the yoke, to exempt the
>>> oppressed, and to break off every yoke?
>>> Mat 17:18 And Yehoshua rebuked the demon, and he came out of him. And
>>> the child was healed from that hour.
>>> Mat 17:19 Then the taught ones came to Yehoshua by Himself and said,
>>> Mat 17:20 And Yehoshua said to them, �Because of your unbelief, for
>>> truly, I say to you, if you have belief as a mustard seed, you shall
>>> And no matter shall be impossible for you.
>>> fasting.�
>> But you know, this brings to mind something that happened in a church
>> that I had membership in. A lady's 18 year old daughter was diagnosed
>> with acute lymphatic luekemia, and the congregation kept calling on god
>> to restore her to health, and nothing happened. Now, many atheists would
>> immediately jump on a failure like this as a sure sign of no god, but
>> that isn't so. The instructions for calling on His name for mercy were
>> in the bible until they were watered down and made of no effect.
>
> But see, you get it now. All these people are going around in strife
> arguing about silly things in vanity and not grasping just how simple
> the truth is. All the preaching about death and suffering that go
> contrary to the very doctrine Yehoshua preached and they are so hung
> up on man made traditions and teachings... that when you explain the
> simplicity of the Torah to them say all manner of wicked things about
> you... I mean... sing4free is a nice Christian person and I try to
> explain to him and you saw the accusations laid at my door.. He said I
> was nothing short of the antiChrist himself...
That is ignorance talking. The Creator stated that His people die for
lack of knowledge, and their will be some here that do exactly that.
>
> They just don't want to get it...
Because they have been taught different, and are comfortable with
their teachings, and unless they are witness to a miracle it will likely
not change.
singin4free
What is the name that Yeshua sent the apostles out to preach? Of
course we all know it is the name of Yeshua the Messiah, Jesus Christ.
That IS the gospel. Snow (whether he realizes it or not) is trying to
say that the GOSPEL is unnecessary when he preaches that it's just too
complicated, just too hard to understand. He is implying that it is
not required, it is unnecessary. Is he saying "Just forget about it
and love YHWH, after all he's not mad at you."? BUT HE IS MAD AT YOU
IF YOU ARE NOT IN JESUS! God's favor comes by believing what he has
testified about his Son. If you do not know Yeshua, you are under
condemnation. Is this just my opinion? Well look what John said:
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that
believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in
the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Who's name was that again? "the name of the only begotten Son of
God."
If Yeshua is not necessary, he would not have come. But he IS
necessary. His atonement, his blood his cross and his resurrection and
his coming again are all necessary, all prophesied by the Prophets and
in the Psalms. It is not just about keeping the Law. It's about that
we were lost in sin and needed a Savior. It's not "come to YHWH
without coming through Yeshua" ... it's "No man cometh unto the
Father except through me". What is the Name the apostles were told to
preach? Well, let's see. Here are 20 references to the Name of Yeshua
just from the Book of Acts alone. Clearly the GOSPEL IS ABOUT YESHUA !
And it is YHWH who has commanded that salvation be preached in the
name of Yeshua. It is the Name of Yeshua that saves.
TWENTY VERSES FROM ACTS REFERENCING
"THE NAME OF YESHUA":
(1) Act 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and be immersed, every one
of you, in the name of Yeshua the Messiah for the forgiveness of sins,
and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
(2)Act 3:6 But Peter said, “Silver and gold have I none, but what I
have, that I give you. In the name of Yeshua the Messiah of Nazareth,
get up and walk!”
(3)Act 4:10 be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel,
that in the name of Yeshua the Messiah of Nazareth, whom you
crucified, whom God raised from the dead, in him does this man stand
here before you whole.
(4)Act 4:18 They called them, and commanded them not to speak at all
nor teach in the name of Yeshua.
(5)Act 4:30 while you stretch out your hand to heal; and that signs
and wonders may be done through the name of your holy Servant Yeshua.”
(6)Act 5:40 They agreed with him. Summoning the emissaries, they beat
them and commanded them not to speak in the name of Yeshua, and let
them go.
(7)Act 5:41 They therefore departed from the presence of the council,
rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for
Yeshua’s name.
(8)Act 5:42 Every day, in the temple and at home, they never stopped
teaching and proclaiming Yeshua, the Messiah.
(9)Act 5:41 They therefore departed from the presence of the council,
rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for
Yeshua’s name.
(10)Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip proclaiming good news
concerning the Kingdom of God and the name of Yeshua the Messiah, they
were immersed, both men and women.
(11)Act 8:16 for as yet he had fallen on none of them. They had only
been immersed in the name of Messiah Yeshua.
(12)Act 9:27 But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the emissaries,
and declared to them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he
had spoken to him, and how at Damascus he had preached boldly in the
name of Yeshua
(13)Act 9:29 proclaiming boldly in the name of the Lord Yeshua.[4] He
spoke and disputed against the Hellenists,[5] but they were seeking to
kill him.
(14)Act 10:48 He commanded them to be immersed in the name of Yeshua
the Messiah. Then they asked him to stay some days.
(15)Act 15:26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord
Yeshua the Messiah.
(16)Act 16:18 She was doing this for many days.
But Paul, becoming greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, “I
command you in the name of Yeshua the Messiah to come out of her!” It
came out that very hour
(17)Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were immersed in the name of
the Lord Yeshua.
(18)Act 19:13 But some of the itinerant Jews, exorcists, took on
themselves to invoke over those who had the evil spirits the name of
the Lord Yeshua, saying, “We adjure you by Yeshua whom Paul
preaches.”
(19)Act 19:17 This became known to all, both Jews and Greeks, who
lived at Ephesus. Fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord
Yeshua was magnified.
(20)Act 21:13 Then Paul answered, “What are you doing, weeping and
breaking my heart? For I am ready not only to be bound, but also to
die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Yeshua.”
And also, we can't forget this essential passage:
Act 4:10 be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that
*****in the name of Yeshua the Messiah of Nazareth*****, whom you
crucified, whom God raised from the dead, in him does this man stand
here before you whole.
Act 4:11 He is ‘the stone which was regarded as worthless by you, the
builders, which has become the head of the corner.’[1]
Act 4:12 *****There is salvation in none other, for neither is there
any other name under heaven, that is given among men, by which we must
be saved*****!”
guardian Snow
> > They just don't want to get it...
>
> What is the name that Yeshua sent the apostles out to preach? Of
> course we all know it is the name of Yeshua the Messiah, Jesus Christ.
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
Yehoshua knew in advance that men would alter the text and change the
truth to a lie, just as you demonstrate in order to maintain your
false belief.
Joh 7:28 יהושע therefore cried out in the Set-apart Place, teaching
and saying, “You both know Me, and you know where I am from. And I
have NOT COME OF MYSELF, but HE WHO SENT ME is true, whom YOU DO NOT
KNOW.
Because you do not believe his own witness, you are allowed to fall
into false worship. Even with the unreliability of the New Testament
text, the truth is found in all his gospels but not in the false
apostle Paul.
Many saviors are sent by YHWH.
Oba 1:21 And saviours shall come to Mount Tsiyon to judge the
mountains of Ěsaw. And the reign shall belong to Yahweh.
You do not understand that He who sent the Saviour is the only true
Saviour of all and that is YHWH.
I wish you well in your walk of faith.
Joh 7:16 Yehoshua answered them and said, “My teaching is not Mine,
but His who sent Me.
It's a shame you have no understanding of Prophets because you have
rejected the Torah of Yahweh.
Deu 18:15 “Yahweh your Elohim shall raise up for you a Prophet like me
from your midst, from your brothers. Listen to Him,
Deu 18:16 according to all you asked of Yahweh your Elohim in Ḥorĕḇ
in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice
of Yahweh my Elohim, nor let me see this great fire any more, lest I
die.’
Deu 18:17 “And Yahweh said to me, ‘What they have spoken is good.
Deu 18:18 ‘I shall raise up for them a Prophet like you out of the
midst of their brothers. And I shall put My Words in His mouth, and He
shall speak to them all that I command Him.
Deu 18:19 ‘And it shall be, the man who does not listen to My Words
which He speaks in My Name, I require it of him.
Deu 18:20 ‘But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My Name,
which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of
other mighty ones, even that prophet shall die.’
guardian Snow
> That is ignorance talking. The Creator stated that His people die for
> lack of knowledge, and their will be some here that do exactly that.
>
>
>
> > They just don't want to get it...
>
> Because they have been taught different, and are comfortable with
> their teachings, and unless they are witness to a miracle it will likely
> not change.
The shame my brother is that they will see miracles and be tested and
they shall fail that test.
Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams,
and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake
unto thee, saying, Let us go after other elohim, which thou hast not
known, and let us serve them;
Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or
that dreamer of dreams: for YAHWEH your Elohim proveth you, to know
whether ye love YAHWEH your Elohim with all your heart and with all
your soul.
Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after YAHWEH your Elohim, and fear him, and
keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and
cleave unto him.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down
from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
They will be deceived and have been deceived and they refuse to know
any better because they reject the knowledge of the Torah and the
knowledge of Yahweh.
singin4free
> On Jun 16, 1:58 pm, singin4free <jffry...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > They just don't want to get it...
>
> > What is the name that Yeshua sent the apostles out to preach? Of
> > course we all know it is the name of Yeshua the Messiah, Jesus Christ.
>
> Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
> Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
>
> Yehoshua knew in advance that men would alter the text and change the
> truth to a lie, just as you demonstrate in order to maintain your
> false belief.
I have altered no texts. That is your trademark.
You take John 5:30-31 to mean that Yeshua is not YHWH, but you do not
see him revealing a glorious mystery: YHWH has come down from heaven
and taken on a second nature as the son of man, being for a little
while made lower than the angels. But he humbled himself to do that.
As the Word he spoke to Moses and Abraham and by him all things were
created.
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was WITH God. So how is he
with God? The Father is always with him. As the Son he is positionally
subject to the Father as all sons are. But as the Word he is One with
the Father and in nature he is equal to the Father. The Father is
YHWH. The Son is YHWH. The Holy Spirit is YHWH.
>
> Joh 7:28 יהושע therefore cried out in the Set-apart Place, teaching
> and saying, “You both know Me, and you know where I am from. And I
> have NOT COME OF MYSELF, but HE WHO SENT ME is true, whom YOU DO NOT
> KNOW.
>
> Because you do not believe his own witness, you are allowed to fall
> into false worship. Even with the unreliability of the New Testament
> text, the truth is found in all his gospels but not in the false
> apostle Paul.
>
It is you who do not believe the testimony that the Father has given
of his Son, that in his name salvation should be preached to all the
earth. In John 7:28, he is revealing more of the mystery of who he is.
Yet you use it to demean him. He is telling us that he was in heaven
with God and WAS God, and now is made flesh and tabernacling among us.
He is trying to reveal to a people who do not know who he is that he
is not just any man, not just ANY savior, but THE one and only
begotten Son of God who is his Word made flesh.
> Many saviors are sent by YHWH.
>
Only one Savior by his own death abolished death forever. That is
Yeshua.
> Oba 1:21 And saviours shall come to Mount Tsiyon to judge the
> mountains of Ěsaw. And the reign shall belong to Yahweh.
>
> You do not understand that He who sent the Saviour is the only true
> Saviour of all and that is YHWH.
>
Again you revert to deception, implying that Christians do not believe
in YHWH, when in fact we not only believe in YHWH, but we believe his
testimony that he has given about Yeshua his Son, and we know that
YHWH's wish is that the good news of salvation in the Name of Yeshua
be preached to the whole earth. Yet you oppose this message therefore
you are anti-Messiah, yet you clothe yourself in a robe tagged with
the word Messianic. But if you believe the testimony of the Father
about his Son, you love both the Father and the Son, and you will
worship YHWH in Spirit and in Truth.
> I wish you well in your walk of faith.
>
> Joh 7:16 Yehoshua answered them and said, “My teaching is not Mine,
> but His who sent Me.
>
> It's a shame you have no understanding of Prophets because you have
> rejected the Torah of Yahweh.
>
Another great lie. You try to make it look like Christians don't love
YHWH or the precious Word of YHWH. Christians have accepted the Torah
of YHWH, and they correctly interpret (because of the revelation given
to the apostles) the Prophets who told us of the coming of the Savior,
his sacrifice for our sins, his resurrection and his glory, his deity,
and the New Covenant, the Torah of Liberty as James called it:
Jas 1:25 But he who looks into the perfect Torah of freedom, and
continues, not being a hearer who forgets, but a doer of the work,
this man will be blessed in what he does.
> Deu 18:15 “Yahweh your Elohim shall raise up for you a Prophet like me
> from your midst, from your brothers. Listen to Him,
> Deu 18:16 according to all you asked of Yahweh your Elohim in Ḥorĕḇ
> in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice
> of Yahweh my Elohim, nor let me see this great fire any more, lest I
> die.’
> Deu 18:17 “And Yahweh said to me, ‘What they have spoken is good.
> Deu 18:18 ‘I shall raise up for them a Prophet like you out of the
> midst of their brothers. And I shall put My Words in His mouth, and He
> shall speak to them all that I command Him.
> Deu 18:19 ‘And it shall be, the man who does not listen to My Words
> which He speaks in My Name, I require it of him.
> Deu 18:20 ‘But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My Name,
> which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of
> other
YHWH has sent his Son down from heaven. He is indeed a Prophet and a
lawgiver. But he is more than that. He is King of Kings and Lord of
Lords. He fulfilled more than just this prophecy you posted from Deut
18. He fulfilled hundreds of prophesies, all harmonious and able to
show us that YHWH has by his OWN ARM done all of the things he said he
would do, in the person of Yeshua ha Meshiach, the Son of God, the son
of David, the heir to the kingdom of David as well as the heir of all
things, as ruler over them all. In Revelations as the Lamb he sits
upon the throne with God and is worshiped by angels.
Then the LORD saw it, and it displeased Him
That there was no justice.
16 He saw that there was no man,
And wondered that there was no intercessor;
Therefore His own arm brought salvation for Him;
And His own righteousness, it sustained Him. (NKJV)
YHWH has by his own arm brought salvation to all the earth by coming
down from heaven in the person of Jesus Christ and redeeming us from
our sins with his own blood. That is the good news the apostles
preached.
guardian Snow
> YHWH has by his own arm brought salvation to all the earth by coming
> down from heaven in the person of Jesus Christ and redeeming us from
> our sins with his own blood. That is the good news the apostles
> preached.
So should you guard the Sabbath?
What blood?
I'm perfectly fine with you keeping your belief. It's a pointless
discussion because you have no desire to understand me in that the
spirit is more then flesh and blood and it is this spirit that you
have such a hard time with separating from the flesh.
Take care and be well my friend. I see in you the mixtures of old and
new wine... I wish you well with your faith.
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That is exactly what he is working towards because he is of the anti-
christ spirit. I notice he speaks of God in the OT referring to
himself as a husband and conveniently ignores that the followers of
Yahashua` the Messiah are called the "bride of Christ". It's also
worthy of note that in Matthew Chapter 19 when the Messiah was asked
what was needed to achieve salvation he said only to obey the
commandments having to do with how we treat our fellow man and said
nothing about worshipping YHWH, but instead said "follow me".
By the way, the name Yeshua` is the Aramaic version of the original
Hebrew name Yahashua`, and the Messiah's name is The Branch (Zech.
6:12), a 'branch' which began when Oshea/Hoshea, the son of Nun was
renamed Yahashua` - a Hebrew name bestowed upon him by Moses who spoke
Hebrew (Num. 13:16).
During the Messiah's lifetime, both the Aramaic name Yeshua and the
Hebrew name Yahashua` were common names given to children, so the name
Yeshua` did not replace the name Yahashua`. In the past I promoted the
name of Yeshua` because the people at the time Christ lived spoke
Aramaic, but I have since realized that did not confirm the name as
Yeshua` nor did ancient texts *written in Aramaic*, such as the
Peshetta.
Since I assume you also still accept Paul (a mistake), you might also
be convinced the Messiah's name was a Hebrew name due to the fact that
Luke reports in Acts 26:14 that Paul claimed Christ spoke to him "in
the Hebrew tongue" when he identified himself and gave his name as the
one whom Paul was persecuting.
> Is he saying "Just forget about it
> and love YHWH, after all he's not mad at you."? BUT HE IS MAD AT YOU
> IF YOU ARE NOT IN JESUS! God's favor comes by believing what he has
> testified about his Son. If you do not know Yeshua, you are under
> condemnation. Is this just my opinion?
> Well look what John said:
>
> Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that
> believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in
> the name of the only begotten Son of God.
It is confirmed in Psalms 2:12 as well - "Kiss the Son, lest he [God]
be angry, and ye perish [from] the way" i.e. The Way of holiness
mentioned by Isaiah, which also confirms what John has written.
Isa. 35:8 "And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be
called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it
[shall be] for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err
[therein]."
guardian Snow
> > 2:27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the
> > Lord your God, and there is none else;
>
> This occurred during the incarnation of God as Yahashua` the Saviour
> and Messiah.
"God" as a name is a pagan idol derived from Germanic roots.
Elohim does NOT mean God and I can’t be any clearer than that. Elohim
means “mighty one” and while it is used many times as a title for our
Almighty, it is not his name. You cannot replace the title Elohim
with “God” and all versions of scriptures that do this are corrupted
and useless, fit only for fire.
In scriptures we have many different Elohim’s such as Moses and Israel
as a nation as recorded:
Psa 82:6 I, I said, “You are elohim, And all of you are sons of the
Most High.
Psa 82:7 “But as men you die, And fall as one of the heads.”
It’s silly that ISR made this title to be used without capitalizing it
to say it means something different.. “You are Elohim”, simply means
that you are made mighty by Yahweh, the Elohim of Elohims.
Deu 10:17 “For [Yahweh] יהוה your Elohim is Elohim of mighty ones and
Master of masters, the great Ěl, mighty and awesome, who shows no
partiality nor takes a bribe.
At no point in the New Testament even with pagan corruption does
Yehoshua ever say or those who followed him claim he was deity of
deities.
Num 23:19 El is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,
that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath
he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Mat 12:18 Behold my SERVANT, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom
my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall
shew judgment to the Gentiles.
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
Joh 5:37 “And the Father who sent Me, He bore witness of Me. You have
neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
Joh 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word and
believes in HIM WHO SENT ME possesses everlasting life, and does not
come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased YHWH to bruise him; he hath put him to grief:
when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his
seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of YHWH shall
prosper in his hand.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be
satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous SERVANT justify many;
for he shall bear their iniquities.
Joh 12:44 Then יהושע cried out and said, “He who believes in Me,
believes NOT IN ME but in Him who sent Me.
Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father WHICH SENT
ME, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should
speak.
Joh 12:50 And I know that HIS COMMANDMENT IS EVERLASTING LIFE:
whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I
speak.
Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
SENT ME.”
Joh 7:28 יהושע therefore cried out in the Set-apart Place, teaching
and saying, “You both know Me, and you know where I am from. And I
have NOT COME OF MYSELF, but HE WHO SENT ME is true, whom YOU DO NOT
KNOW.
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
Joh 5:46 “For if you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me,
since he wrote about Me.
Joh 5:47 “But if you do not believe his writings, how shall you
believe My words?”
Joh 7:16 Yahushua answered them, and said, My doctrine is NOT MINE,
but HIS THAT SENT ME.
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in YHWH, that raised him up from the
dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in YHWH.
Mat 26:39 And going forward a little, He fell on His face, and prayed,
saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me.
Yet NOT AS I DESIRE, but as You desire.”
Deu 32:3 “For I proclaim the Name of [Yahweh] יהוה, Ascribe greatness
to our Elohim.
His name is not Baal Gawd!
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guardian Snow
> That is exactly what he is working towards because he is of the anti-
> christ spirit. I notice he speaks of God in the OT referring to
> himself as a husband and conveniently ignores that the followers of
> Yahashua` the Messiah are called the "bride of Christ".
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down
from YAHWEH out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her
husband.
It is the city of followers that are his people that are the Bride.
You have invented a false title because you presumed the man is the
almighty.
Num 23:19 El is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,
that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath
he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
You do not believe the Torah.
Rev 18:23 “And the light of a lamp shall not shine in you any more at
all. And the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you
any more at all. For your merchants were the great ones of the earth,
for by your drug sorcery all the nations were led astray.
The bridegroom is Yahweh. In your rush to deny Yahweh, confusion has
reigned over you. You have heard the voice of neither the bride or the
bridegroom.
walksalone
bb22-1b9...@v23g2000pro.googlegroups.com:
> On Jun 16, 1:58 pm, singin4free <jffry...@gmail.com> wrote:
Through but not too snow, the observations were going to be a bit
complicated for him.
>> > They just don't want to get it...
>>
>> What is the name that Yeshua sent the apostles out to preach? Of
>> course we all know it is the name of Yeshua the Messiah, Jesus Christ.
>
> Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
For those able to read in context, this is a verification that, the missing
Messiah of xianity is in fact missing. A god can do any damn thing it wants
to talk to frequently throughout history, have been blamed for doing so.
> Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
That's called a contradictory statement. It's an either or situation and
sometimes, you can tell the truth with a human too hot.
> Yehoshua knew in advance that men would alter the text and change the
> truth to a lie, just as you demonstrate in order to maintain your
> false belief.
And of course, you are free from this blemish. Or so you would have the
audience believe.
> Joh 7:28 יהושע therefore cried out in the Set-apart Place, teaching
> and saying, “You both know Me, and you know where I am from. And I
> have NOT COME OF MYSELF, but HE WHO SENT ME is true, whom YOU DO NOT
> KNOW.
This indicates, that the apostles, disciples actually, actually knew where
he was from. And that supposedly he has arrived on behalf of somebody else.
And yet, this somebody else is unknown to the audience. Apparently, you
have been baffled by this bullshit.
> Because you do not believe his own witness, you are allowed to fall
> into false worship. Even with the unreliability of the New Testament
If a man tell me he's lying to me, I tend to believe them. What a mess to
me something that is too good to be true, I tend to believe they are lying
to me unless they can provide evidence. In the case of people like you, I
accept that it's a lie. Whether based on ignorance, or self desire, is
immaterial.
> text, the truth is found in all his gospels but not in the false
> apostle Paul.
The truth, with a capital T. as claimed by various organized mythologies
from the Middle East, is not to be found in your holy Scripture. All of it
was written to support or modify previous beliefs. How very strange, but
not really. We cannot emulate those times in the way people thought during
those times, but we can observe people today and under similar
circumstances, they react the same. Identically, no but close enough for an
artillery barrage.
> Many saviors are sent by YHWH.
And everyone was a failure. That is, a Sunni Yahweh ever since a Savior
start with which, according to his own writings, will not happen.,
according to the writings attributed to him this will not happen.
Supposedly it will be a real-time event, as Moses of Crete verified, it's
easy to talk the talk until you try to walk the walk.
> Oba 1:21 And saviours shall come to Mount Tsiyon to judge the
> mountains of Ěsaw. And the reign shall belong to Yahweh.
As in this Yahweh?
Deuteronomy 32:8-9
When the Most High (Elyon) allotted peoples for inheritance,
When He divided up humanity,
He fixed the boundaries for peoples,
According to the number of the divine sons;
For Yahweh's portion is his people,
Jacob His own inheritance.
It would appear, that that Yahweh, the one of the many revealed gods of the
desert, does not have the big hairy nuts. He accepts what's given to him by
those superior to him. Considering how late he arrived in the pantheon, it
was more than he deserved.
> You do not understand that He who sent the Saviour is the only true
> Saviour of all and that is YHWH.
I understand that you believe that, and also understand you don't
understand the difference between, a Messiah, and what you want a Messiah
to be. A rather glaring difference. Refresh my memory, when was the
messianic era ushered in by Jesus of Nazareth as claimed within the Greek
Testaments. The one that has never been observed by humanity. Exactly one
was that. To qualify as the Jewish Messiah, as claimed by the Greek
Testament, this would have occurred upon his arrival and acceptance of the
mantle of kingship over the earth.
> I wish you well in your walk of faith.
As I do you, but I like you, I will not share mine with others because
faith is a personal matter. It even though I hold you and everybody else
that follows the revealed gods of the desert as being mistaken, is your
right as a human being to believe as you will until such time as you try to
harm others. As you have done here. That you do not understand that you're
trying to harm others is beside the point, it's a common failing of xianity
at large. You see, even assuming your arrogance that everybody wants what
you want, and this is not true. If this was the case, the whole world would
be xian. Obviously it's not. Even though it looks like it might be with all
wars, genocides, etc.
> Joh 7:16 Yehoshua answered them and said, “My teaching is not Mine,
> but His who sent Me.
In other words, he was casting himself in the role of prophet. Of course,
the wording is ambiguous to people that do not know the context, would
assume otherwise if it suited their fancy. And that too is all right.
That's what the authors intended.
> It's a shame you have no understanding of Prophets because you have
> rejected the Torah of Yahweh.
I have a tendency to reject anything that is harmful to a society,
poisonous to the development of a human or limiting in their capacity to be
fully human, or any other cancerous substance. To a follower, it's like
opium, to the nonbeliever, it's somebody else mental aberration, an
aberration they do not have the decency to keep to themselves.
> Deu 18:15 “Yahweh your Elohim shall raise up for you a Prophet like me
> from your midst, from your brothers. Listen to Him,
> Deu 18:16 according to all you asked of Yahweh your Elohim in Ḥorĕḇ
One would think by now, you would realize that you're reading from a
special edition, one not shared by everybody else. Here is the correct
transliteration or translation as you prefer of the text.
18:10 There shall not be found among you he that maketh his son
or his daughter to pass through the fire, that useth
divination, that useth auguries, or an enchanter, or a
sorcerer,
18:11 or a charmer, or one that inquireth of a spirit of Python,
or a soothsayer, or one that consulteth the dead.
18:12 For every one that doeth these things is an abomination to
Jehovah, and because of these abominations Jehovah thy God doth
dispossess them from before thee.
18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with Jehovah thy God.
18:14 For these nations, which thou shalt dispossess, hearkened
unto those that use auguries, and that use divination; but as
for thee, Jehovah thy God hath not suffered thee [to do] so.
18:15 Jehovah thy God will raise up unto thee a prophet from the
midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him shall ye
hearken;
18:16 according to all that thou desiredst of Jehovah thy God at
Horeb on the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again
the voice of Jehovah my God, neither let me see this great fire
any more, that I die not.
18:17 And Jehovah said unto me, They have well spoken that which
they have spoken.
18:18 A prophet will I raise up unto them from among their
brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth,
and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
18:19 And it shall come to pass that the man who hearkeneth not
unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require
it of him.
The context puts an entirely different meaning on what you wish to use as a
proof text. But of course, this tends to be the case at almost a 100% rate.
I would say 100%, but I don't read everything you post. I don't have enough
time and, my mind is not satisfied with pablum and mush.
> in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice
> of Yahweh my Elohim, nor let me see this great fire any more, lest I
> die.’
> Deu 18:17 “And Yahweh said to me, ‘What they have spoken is good.
> Deu 18:18 ‘I shall raise up for them a Prophet like you out of the
> midst of their brothers. And I shall put My Words in His mouth, and He
> shall speak to them all that I command Him.
> Deu 18:19 ‘And it shall be, the man who does not listen to My Words
> which He speaks in My Name, I require it of him.
> Deu 18:20 ‘But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My Name,
> which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of
> other mighty ones, even that prophet shall die.’
In none of the correct translations is Yahweh used. It is a very good
reason for that, that was acceptable to the priesthood of the Hebrew
mythology. And now you're going to tend to pretend that you know better
than they did? Bit presumptuous of you, but typical of a certain variety of
xian found on the Internet. Not one of the better varieties I might add.
But here's something you are an expert arc, once again, according to you.
It's called, how to flail in presenting yourself as a person worth
listening to, reading, or even considering their opinions. In other words,
a rabbit that will run rather than defend what it has claimed. Or to put it
another way, in your case, business as usual.
From: guardian Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au>
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> Were you going to comment and decided not too?
Neither, but that does not concern you. What does concern the
audience is your posturing & speaking of things you are glaringly
ignorant of.
To wit: the title of this thread you introduced & crossposted in
order to impress yourself.
There is no battle between good & evil, just people like you
pretending there is.
Good: an artificial concept used to describe things we want to do,
or have done to us. In nature, which we are part of, there is no
collective concious concept of good.
In the religious sense, what you want others to do.
Evil: Another artificial concept used to describe things we don't
want, or don't want done to ourselves.
In the religious sense, what you want others to do.
Collectively, used to mold peoples mental patterns in an effort to
control them. Both politicians & high & low priests use the terms
interchangably.
The concepts are useful when used as something other than boogey men.
Good, that which befefits a society, or gene pool, preferrably
without harming others.
Bad, that which harms a society or gene pool by causeing harm to
others, or a gene pool.
Now, you can play with those observations, you can play with the
dictionary & claim they are wrong. Or you can show them to be wrong
& you to be right. Care to play?
Hint, I will cram your attempts to divert & sidetrack by employing
scripture as an authority right back down your throat.
After all, what makes yolu think that if the Hebrew Bible & Greek
testments have historical errors, & they do, they don't have
mythological claims for the truth wrong as well.
No, that is not a threat, I don't bother with them. It is a fact.
Your only choice, should you elect to play BMOC, is to address the
concepts & falsify them.
walksalone who finds it rather comical that anyone would be willing to let
this drag out this far in this long to where any credibility they may have
had is long gone.
It's not that, he refuses to answer on the grounds that he's too good or
I'm not worthy, instead he pretends to have the information, but is
unwilling to provide for the reader who might actually be interested in
knowing how he arrived at his conclusions. The hallmark of a comment or a
charlatan, take your pick.
"Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a
Christian, presumably giving the
meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should
take all means to
prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast
ignorance in a Christian and
laugh
it to scorn." -- Augustine, The Literal Meaning of Genesis
walksalone
a37e-1e2...@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
> On Jun 16, 11:33�pm, singin4free <jffry...@gmail.com> wrote:
Through not to snow, once again the concepts are going to be beyond his
limited ability to understand.
>> YHWH has by his own arm brought salvation to all the earth by coming
>> down from heaven in the person of Jesus Christ and redeeming us from
>> our sins with his own blood. That is the good news the apostles
>> preached.
>
> So should you guard the Sabbath?
Which of course, is a red herring. Supposedly, cushions were freed from
that limitation.
> What blood?
And you claim to be a xian and follower of Yahweh. Bad dog, no biscuit.
The blood of the perfect sacrifice of course, the one who died but did
not die and went to hell but did not really go to Hell, apparently he may
didn't make it past the foyer, to redeem the Saints that had been
punished by being sent to hell & made to wait until he should arrive. If
you believe the various writings, they were waiting on him.
> I'm perfectly fine with you keeping your belief. It's a pointless
> discussion because you have no desire to understand me in that the
You have yet to present yourself in a manner that would make anyone
believe you are less than a charlatan. A con man. A seller of falsehoods.
A liar, a rather long list of unimpressive words used to indicate a
person of rather low self-esteem, or one who is not normally acceptable
in polite company.
> spirit is more then flesh and blood and it is this spirit that you
> have such a hard time with separating from the flesh.
Spirits come in various calibers, & a pure spirit is 200 proof. A state
not naturally attained, but it would appear to have been partaking of it.
In both cases.
> Take care and be well my friend. I see in you the mixtures of old and
> new wine... I wish you well with your faith.
It's not nice to lie, or accuse people of being something they are not.
Do you even know why old wine was mixed with new wine? It was not to
improve the mix. But then, you have displayed a very sad and pathetic
state of your knowledge about history, in the context and history of your
myth. Of course, that's to be expected for you are on a mission from
Glod. Had you been born in India, you might well be on a mission from
Kali. Given your predisposition to wish ill on others, probably the Hindu
Kali and not the one from Janism. Of course with your list then intimate
knowledge about mythology of how the inter-relate, the references would
require work on your part, & expose you to know you do not desire.
But here's something that you have pretended over the past to be
extremely knowledgeable about, and yet, no one has seen you verify that
claim to knowledge.
walksalone who finds no pleasure in this, for usenet was designed and
conceived of as being a medium for the exchange of information. That
people like snow attempt to use it for their own personal glorification,
was not considered at that time. Of course, at that time, usenet was
expensive and people tended not to waste their money.
A Man and a Lion were discussing the relative strength of men
and lions in general. The Man contended that he and his fellows
were stronger than lions by reason of their greater intelligence.
"Come now with me," he cried, "and I will soon prove that I am
right." So he took him into the public gardens and showed him a
statue of Hercules overcoming the Lion and tearing his mouth in
two.
"That is all very well," said the Lion, "but proves nothing,
for it was a man who made the statue."
We can easily represent things as we wish them to be.
walksalone
> On Jun 18, 3:02 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
Through but not to snow, the concepts are repugnent to him.
>> > 2:27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I
>> > am
> the
>> > Lord your God, and there is none else;
>>
>> This occurred during the incarnation of God as Yahashua` the Saviour
>> and Messiah.
>
> "God" as a name is a pagan idol derived from Germanic roots.
No, it is not. It is attested to as early as the city of Gad. You are
confusing jehovah with elohim, god & the council of god in this case. When
used to describe forgein gods, elohim refers to the pantheon.
> Elohim does NOT mean God and I can’t be any clearer than that.
Correction, you can't be less clearer than that. An assertion without
evidence, a term you are not on familiar grounds with, is just that. In
your case, an uninformed opinion.
> Elohim means “mighty one” and while it is used many times as a
Mighty one is �lolah or �l Olam depending on your source material. Olam is
the most common version I have seen.
The information is found in various resouces, & those that would like them
can ask.
You were barking?
> title for our Almighty, it is not his name. You cannot replace the
But you can for his original boterers did.
> title Elohim with “God” and all versions of scriptures that do
> this are corrupted and useless, fit only for fire.
According to you, but who really pays attention to fanatics, other than
wannabe fanatics.
> In scriptures we have many different Elohim’s such as Moses and
> Israel as a nation as recorded:
Moses is not the subject in your abberant version, though it is a common
archaic Greek belief that everyone contains a divine spark, A belief
shared by the gnostics & possibly the elite of Judea.
> Psa 82:6 I, I said, “You are elohim, And all of you are sons of the
> Most High.
> Psa 82:7 “But as men you die, And fall as one of the heads.”
82:1 A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of God; in the
midst of the judges He judgeth:
82:2 'How long will ye judge unjustly, and respect the persons of the
wicked? Selah
82:3 Judge the poor and fatherless; do justice to the afflicted and
destitute.
82:4 Rescue the poor and needy; deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.
82:5 They know not, neither do they understand; they go about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are moved.
82:6 I said: Ye are godlike beings, and all of you sons of the Most High.
82:7 Nevertheless ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the
princes.'
82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth; for Thou shalt possess all nations.
The context indicates that you wrong, & a council or grouping of gods are
being addressed.
> It’s silly that ISR made this title to be used without capitalizing
> it to say it means something different.. “You are Elohim”, simply
> means that you are made mighty by Yahweh, the Elohim of Elohims.
Archaic Hebrew had no capital letters.
> Deu 10:17 “For [Yahweh] יהוה your Elohim is Elohim of mighty
> ones and Master of masters, the great Ěl, mighty and awesome, who
> shows no partiality nor takes a bribe.
10:1 At that time the Lord said unto me: 'Hew thee two tables of stone like
unto the first, and come up unto Me into the mount; and make thee an ark of
wood.
10:2 And I will write on the tables the words that were on the first tables
which thou didst break, and thou shalt put them in the ark.'
10:3 So I made an ark of acacia-wood, and hewed two tables of stone like
unto the first, and went up into the mount, having the two tables in my
hand.
10:4 And He wrote on the tables according to the first writing, the ten
words, which the Lord spoke unto you in the mount out of the midst of the
fire in the day of the assembly; and the Lord gave them unto me.
10:5 And I turned and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the
ark which I had made; and there they are, as the Lord commanded me.--
10:6 And the children of Israel journeyed from Beeroth-benejaakan to
Moserah; there Aaron died, and there he was buried; and Eleazar his son
ministered in the priest's office in his stead.
10:7 From thence they journeyed unto Gudgod; and from Gudgod to Jotbah, a
land of brooks of water.--
10:8 At that time the Lord separated the tribe of Levi, to bear the ark of
the covenant of the Lord, to stand before the Lord to minister unto Him,
and to bless in His name, unto this day.
10:9 Wherefore Levi hath no portion nor inheritance with his brethren; the
Lord is his inheritance, according as the Lord thy God spoke unto him.--
10:10 Now I stayed in the mount, as at the first time, forty days and forty
nights; and the Lord hearkened unto me that time also; the Lord would not
destroy thee.
10:11 And the Lord said unto me: 'Arise, go before the people, causing them
to set forward, that they may go in and possess the land, which I swore
unto their fathers to give unto them.'
10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the Lord thy God require of thee, but to
fear the Lord thy God, to walk in all His ways, and to love Him, and to
serve the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul;
10:13 to keep for thy good the commandments of the Lord, and His statutes,
which I command thee this day?
10:14 Behold, unto the Lord thy God belongeth the heaven, and the heaven of
heavens, the earth, with all that therein is.
10:15 Only the Lord had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and He chose
their seed after them, even you, above all peoples, as it is this day.
10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more
stiffnecked.
10:17 For the Lord your God, He is God of gods, and L-rd of lords, the
great God, the mighty, and the awful, who regardeth not persons, nor taketh
reward.
10:18 He doth execute justice for the fatherless and widow, and loveth the
stranger, in giving him food and raiment.
10:19 Love ye therefore the stranger; for ye were strangers in the land of
Egypt.
10:20 Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God; Him shalt thou serve; and to Him
shalt thou cleave, and by His name shalt thou swear.
10:21 He is thy glory, and He is thy God, that hath done for thee these
great and tremendous things, which thine eyes have seen.
10:22 Thy fathers went down into Egypt with threescore and ten persons; and
now the Lord thy God hath made thee as the stars of heaven for multitude.
Again, context calls you a liar & attemted deceiver. You really should
have someone teach you how to read archaic texts, in context.
> At no point in the New Testament even with pagan corruption does
> Yehoshua ever say or those who followed him claim he was deity of
> deities.
It's not even a consideration until Constantine needed a means of holding
the empire together. 345 years or so after the claimed events.
> Num 23:19 El is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,
> that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath
> he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
�l is not yahweh, but you will never understand that. Fanatics are like
that you know.
> Mat 12:18 Behold my SERVANT, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom
> my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall
> shew judgment to the Gentiles.
IOW, he is a prophet but not the first born of god. An argumednt can be
made for that, but it shows that in that case, there were two gods
involved. �l with Israel as his first born [don't look behind the curtain,
you might see his 70 children] & yahweh with the missing messiah.
snip typical quote mining, after all when one can not support one's
calims, one c an always pretend to.
> Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased YHWH to bruise him; he hath put him to grief:
> when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his
> seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of YHWH shall
> prosper in his hand.
> Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be
> satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous SERVANT justify many;
> for he shall bear their iniquities.
53:1 'Who would have believed our report? And to whom hath the arm of the
Lord been revealed?
53:2 For he shot up right forth as a sapling, and as a root out of a dry
ground; he had no form nor comeliness, that we should look upon him, nor
beauty that we should delight in him.
53:3 He was despised, and forsaken of men, a man of pains, and acquainted
with disease, and as one from whom men hide their face: he was despised,
and we esteemed him not.
53:4 Surely our diseases he did bear, and our pains he carried; whereas we
did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
53:5 But he was wounded because of our transgressions, he was crushed
because of our iniquities: the chastisement of our welfare was upon him,
and with his stripes we were healed.
53:6 All we like sheep did go astray, we turned every one to his own way;
and the Lord hath made to light on him the iniquity of us all.
53:7 He was oppressed, though he humbled himself and opened not his mouth;
as a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep that before her
shearers is dumb; yea, he opened not his mouth.
53:8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away, and with his generation
who did reason? for he was cut off out of the land of the living, for the
transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due.
53:9 And they made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich his tomb;
although he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.'
53:10 Yet it pleased the Lord to crush him by disease; to see if his soul
would offer itself in restitution, that he might see his seed, prolong his
days, and that the purpose of the Lord might prosper by his hand:
53:11 Of the travail of his soul he shall see to the full, even My servant,
who by his knowledge did justify the Righteous One to the many, and their
iniquities he did bear.
53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion among the great, and he shall
divide the spoil with the mighty; because he bared his soul unto death, and
was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and made
intercession for the transgressors.
Would you care to guess again. History & context show you to be, at best,
ill informed. At worst, a deliberate liar.
snip more out of context, & retranslated Greek Testament quoting.
> Joh 7:16 Yahushua answered them, and said, My doctrine is NOT MINE,
> but HIS THAT SENT ME.
IOW, a minor prophet elevated after the formation of xianity & after the
catholic churche
ditto
> Deu 32:3 “For I proclaim the Name of [Yahweh] יהוה, Ascribe
> greatness to our Elohim.
32:1 Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness, and as for princes, they
shall rule in justice.
32:2 And a man shall be as in a hiding-place from the wind, and a covert
from the tempest; as by the watercourses in a dry place, as in the shadow
of a great rock in a weary land.
32:3 And the eyes of them that see shall not be closed, and the ears of
them that hear shall attend.
32:4 The heart also of the rash shall understand knowledge, and the tongue
of the stammerers shall be ready to speak plainly.
32:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to
be noble.
32:6 For the vile person will speak villainy, and his heart will work
iniquity, to practise ungodliness, and to utter wickedness against the
Lord, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and to cause the drink of the
thirsty to fail.
32:7 The instruments also of the churl are evil; he deviseth wicked devices
to destroy the poor with lying words, and the needy when he speaketh right.
32:8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall
he stand.�
Again, the JPS does not agree with yolur rewrittings. But then, do any of
the over 100 variants?
> His name is not Baal Gawd!
No, that is the name of Ba'al of Gad. He is the god of the defunct city
state called Gad.
But here you can shine, or pretend to. No one can tell the differance.
walksalone who does realise, xians should be doing this, but they can't.
The philosophy of Atheism represents a concept of life
without any metaphysical Beyond or Divine Regulator.
It is the concept of an actual, real world with its liberating,
expanding and beautifying possibilities, as against
an unreal world, which, with its spirits, oracles, and
mean contentment has kept humanity in helpless degradation.
�Emma Goldman
guardian Snow
> And also, we can't forget this essential passage:
>
> Act 4:10 be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that
> *****in the name of Yeshua the Messiah of Nazareth*****, whom you
> crucified, whom God raised from the dead, in him does this man stand
> here before you whole.
> Act 4:11 He is ‘the stone which was regarded as worthless by you, the
> builders, which has become the head of the corner.’[1]
> Act 4:12 *****There is salvation in none other, for neither is there
> any other name under heaven, that is given among men, by which we must
> be saved*****!”
You are so correct. It is an essential passage but what happens when
the name of YHWH is restored to this very essential passage?
Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel,
that by the name of Yahushua the Messiah of Nazareth, whom ye
crucified, whom YAHWEH raised from the dead, even by him doth this man
stand here before you whole.
Oh, you realize that Yehoshua didn't raise himself, that YAHWEH raised
him. You see, only be removing the name of our Almighty creator does
your false religion exist. You worship the man that YHWH raised
instead of the one who raised him from the dead.
When will you come to the Father?
guardian Snow
> > "God" as a name is a pagan idol derived from Germanic roots.
>
> No, it is not. It is attested to as early as the city of Gad. You are
> confusing jehovah with elohim, god & the council of god in this case. When
> used to describe forgein gods, elohim refers to the pantheon.
So even my unbelieving stalker admit that elohim is a plural word.
"God" is a singular word and so it is a mistranslation to translate a
singular word to a plural word. It's the same as translating "cars"
to "my car".
While your claim is that it is to the pantheon, your leave out the
fact that other individual men are called elohim such as Moses,
Abraham and even cities were noted to be Elohim.
Gen 23:5 And the sons of Ḥĕth answered Aḇraham, saying to him,
Gen 23:6 “Hear us, my master [adonai]: You are a Elohim prince among
us. Bury your dead in the choicest of our burial places. None of us
withholds from you his burial site, from burying your dead.”
Here Abraham is also called adonai (which is translated Lord in the
KJV).
Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
another, neither my praise to graven images.
Shalom,
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singin4free
Well, Yeshua was raised up by YHWH there is no doubt about that. But
Yeshua is YHWH, as it says: "In the beginning was the Word and the
Word was with YHWH and the Word WAS YHWH ... and the Word ws made
flesh and dwelt among us". The Word was made flesh means the Word
became a man and that man's name is Yeshua. The Word has never
stopped being the Word, but took on a second nature, not losing his
nature as YHWH. Yeshua is both God and man.The Father is YHWH, the Son
is YHWH, the Holy Spirit is YHWH. One God in three persons as has been
revealed to us by the whole of scripture. Now, that said, the word in
Acts is Greek Theos, best translated as God into English. But there is
no contradiction. Everyone knows and if they don;t they should know
that in this context God means the Creator, YHWH. God is a perfectly
goo English translation of theos and is the English title for YHWH
when used in the proper context.
Having said all that, Yeshua was able to take up his own life again:
Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of
mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I
lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them
also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be
one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my
life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself.
*****I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it
again*****. This commandment have I received of my Father.
And note one more thing that he laid down his life FOR THE SHEEP, and
that he said to the Jews he has OTHER SHEEP THAT ARE NOT OF THIS FOLD.
So his death was efficacious to take away sin, and the Gentiles are
also included in the salvation that is in Yeshua. To be saved we are
to come to Yeshua in faith, repent of our sins, believing in his real
death as the atonement for our sins, his burial and his bodily
resurrection. If we truly believe in him from the heart, we are born
of God (YHWH), and YHWH (God), by the Holy (Set-Apart) Spirit comes to
dwell in us. It is in the Spirit, who has begotten us again, that we
now both live and worship in Truth, having had the law of YHWH written
on our hearts, i.e. we are new creatures, adopted sons of God (YHWH).
All who are born again of the Spirit are one, Jew or Gentile, and
they are one in Yeshua. This is the body of the Messiah on earth, the
body for which he will come again: the church of Yeshua the Messiah
(Jesus the Christ) . Not a man made institution, but a spiritual body
of believers throughout the world. And to show outwardly what has
been by God (YHWH) done to us spiritually and inwardly, we are to be
baptized (immersed) in the name of the Father and of the Son and of
the Holy (Set-Apart) Spirit. That is what the apostles taught. It is
what we have heard from the beginning.
guardian Snow
> > When will you come to the Father?
>
> Well, Yeshua was raised up by YHWH there is no doubt about that. But
> Yeshua is YHWH, as it says: "In the beginning was the Word and the
> Word was with YHWH and the Word WAS YHWH ... and the Word ws made
> flesh and dwelt among us". The Word was made flesh means the Word
> became a man and that man's name is Yeshua.
Are you to worship the FLESH and IMAGE or the SPIRIT? The man was
named YHWH saved.
H3091
יהושׁע יהושׁוּע
yehôshûa‛ yehôshûa‛
yeh-ho-shoo'-ah, yeh-ho-shoo'-ah
From H3068 and H3467; Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua
Zechariah 6 11-12
Exo 20:2 “I am YAHWEH your Elohim, who brought you out of the land of
Mitsrayim, out of the house of slavery.
Exo 20:3 “You have no other mighty ones against My face.
Understand that I have never denied that Yehoshua had the spirit of
Yahweh poured upon him. You are misdirecting your worship to the man
and not the SPIRIT.
Joh 5:43 “I have come in My Father’s Name and you do not receive Me,
if another comes in his own name, him you would receive.
He came in his FATHERS NAME, YAHWEH. Not his own name.
Joh 14:6 יהושע said to him, “I am the Way, and the Truth, and the
Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
You are to come to the Father though Yehoshua.
Joh 15:8 “In this My Father is esteemed, that you bear much fruit, and
you shall be My taught ones.
Esteem the Father!
Joh 17:11 “And I am no more in the world, but these are in the world,
and I come to You. Set-apart Father, guard them in Your Name which You
have given Me, so that they might be one, as We are.
You are to guard his children in the name of the FATHER. Notice he
says IN YOUR NAME.
Joh 17:21 so that they all might be one, as You, Father, are in Me,
and I in You, so that they too might be one in Us, so that the world
might believe that You have sent Me.
ALL BECOME ONE! Are you also the Almighty? No but you should come in
Your Father's name just as your Messiah did. Yehoshua spoke in
parables that the wicked will never understand because they have no
desire for the covenant of Yahweh. I hope you will learn this simple,
basic truth.
May you be well in your walk of faith. It is good to see your making
progress. Take care and know that you are in my prayers brother.
walsalone
9e51-2a0...@x31g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
> On Jun 18, 9:44 pm, walksalone <spamstop...@nerdshack.com> wrote:
Through but not to snow, it would appear today, in his message, the boy is
at a state of total confusion.
>> > "God" as a name is a pagan idol derived from Germanic roots.
>>
>> No, it is not. It is attested to as early as the city of Gad. �
> �You are
>> confusing jehovah with elohim, god & the council of god in this case. �
> �When
>> used to describe forgein gods, elohim refers to the pantheon.
>
> So even my unbelieving stalker admit that elohim is a plural word.
Something I have never denied, if you're referring to me. But I was not
aware that you were important enough for anybody to stalk. If I am stalking
you, that means I am posting messages in every newsgroup that you are
involved in instead of simply the newsgroups that you are trolling. I don't
believe that to be the case. Of course, you are about to be there because,
you are special and on a mission from Glod and no one is allowed to
interfere. But for now you don't know what your talking about.
So if you can show the audience where I have claimed Elohim as anything but
a plural that has been used as a, Royal we and therefore a singular,
noun/adjective, I'm sure the audience would appreciate seeing that. Nowhere
near as much as I would.
> "God" is a singular word and so it is a mistranslation to translate a
> singular word to a plural word. It's the same as translating "cars"
> to "my car".
And yet, you have done this on more than one occasion, equating Yahweh with
Elohim. That I will leave up to the audience because the abundance is more
than sufficient and were I to click at all, they might think I was starting
to post what you do. Excess verbosity for now apparent reason.
> While your claim is that it is to the pantheon, your leave out the
> fact that other individual men are called elohim such as Moses,
Humans are never referred to as Elohim, a word whose original concept meant
the children of god. Unfortunately for you, this is something another point
that you are confused on. Unfortunately for the audience, you're going to
demand that we pay attention to you and, except your somewhat bizarre
claim.
> Abraham and even cities were noted to be Elohim.
No, they are not. They may be sanctuaries and therefore sacred to the
Elohim as well as their parent, �l. The original god of Abraham. One of the
ways we know this, is the distinct personalities of those claimed deities.
> Gen 23:5 And the sons of Ḥĕth answered Aḇraham, saying to him,
Using your special edition again I see. As well as ignoring, use it
netiquette to posting strictly in text, and using an ASCII version
appropriate to your intended audience. You're not using US ASCII, and being
the majority of your audience is going to be in the US, you're pissing on
your own foot.
But let's look at this and cut your bullshit short. The passage you are
accounting to use is when Abraham lies Sarah's burial cave, and even though
the language is flowery, it does not support your claim..
23:2 And Sarah died in Kirjath-Arba: that is Hebron, in the land
of Canaan. And Abraham came to mourn for Sarah, and to weep for
her.
23:3 And Abraham rose up from before his dead, and spoke to the
sons of Heth, saying,
23:4 I am a stranger and a sojourner with you; give me a
possession of a sepulchre with you, that I may bury my dead
from before me.
23:5 And the sons of Heth answered Abraham, saying to him,
23:6 Hear us, my lord: thou art a prince of God among us: in the
choicest of our sepulchres bury thy dead: none of us shall
withhold from thee his sepulchre for burying thy dead.
23:7 And Abraham rose up, and bowed down to the people of the
land, to the sons of Heth,
23:8 and spoke to them, saying, If it be your will that I should
bury my dead from before me, hear me, and entreat for me Ephron
the son of Zohar,
23:9 that he may give me the cave of Machpelah, which is his,
which is at the end of his field; for the full money let him
give it to me amongst you for a possession of a sepulchre.
23:10 And Ephron was dwelling among the sons of Heth. And Ephron
the Hittite answered Abraham, in the ears of the sons of Heth,
[even] of all that went in at the gate of his city, saying,
23:11 No, my lord: hear me. The field give I thee; and the cave
that is in it, to thee I give it; before the eyes of the sons
of my people give I it thee: bury thy dead.
23:12 And Abraham bowed down before the people of the land;
23:13 and he spoke to Ephron, in the ears of the people of the
land, saying, But if only thou wouldst listen to me, I give the
money for the field: take [it] of me, and I will bury my dead
there.
The audience is encouraged to compare the two passages in context, as well
as the remainders of the so-called supporting evidence forwarded by snow in
his ignorance.
> Gen 23:6 “Hear us, my master [adonai]: You are a Elohim prince among
> us. Bury your dead in the choicest of our burial places. None of us
> withholds from you his burial site, from burying your dead.”
>
> Here Abraham is also called adonai (which is translated Lord in the
> KJV).
No he is not. And by the word, Lord is a salutation or an admission that
someone is your social superior. Consequently, there's no reason to presume
that he's called god in any form. Let alone Elohim which is of course, a
plural. Even you have finally realized that.
> Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
> another, neither my praise to graven images.
Here we go again, the boy just does not understand that his special
edition, that only he is privy to read, doesn't work for everyone else.
42:1 Behold my servant whom I uphold, mine elect [in whom] my
soul delighteth! I will put my Spirit upon him; he shall bring
forth judgment to the nations.
42:2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be
heard in the street.
42:3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall
he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment according to
truth.
42:4 He shall not faint nor be in haste, till he have set
justice in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
42:5 Thus saith �God, Jehovah, he that created the heavens and
stretched them out, he that spread forth the earth and its
productions, he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and
spirit to them that walk therein:
42:6 I, Jehovah, have called thee in righteousness, and will
take hold of thy hand; and I will preserve thee, and give thee
for a covenant of the people, for a light of the nations,
42:7 to open the blind eyes, to bring forth the prisoner from
the prison, them that sit in darkness out of the house of
restraint.
42:8 I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give
to another, neither my praise to graven images.
42:9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things
do I declare: before they spring forth will I cause you to hear
them.
42:10 Sing unto Jehovah a new song, his praise from the end of
the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein,
the isles and their inhabitants.
42:11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up [their
voice], the villages that Kedar doth inhabit; let the
inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of
the mountains:
As usual, one of the recognized versions of the Hebrew Bible does not
support your claim. Especially when taken in context of the entire chapter.
A convention that is not included within the original Hebrew Bible which
was meant to be read as an anthology, which is normal for national ethics.
> Shalom,
it's not nice to lie in public.
Snip and removal of advertising or his own peculiar if not strange Google's
group that he seems to want everybody to join. Apparently we have another
Jim Jones in the making.
But now here is something you are supposed to be qualified enough to be
able to discuss public. And yet, you continue to avoid because, you know
you cannot. This does not do your credibility any good, and it's boring as
hell to the audience. That means, you are losing audience participation, if
no more than by reading your garbage.
On to your main event, your one chance to establish himself as a person who
is worth listening to.
walksalone would hold to be futile to anticipate an intelligent answer by
snow. Were he to be capable, and understand the damage he's doing his so-
called reputation or failure to respond, he would've already done so. Yet,
he thinks he's under the mistaken impression that having his nose in his
own mess is indicated below a standing of some sort. If that's the case, he
simply in it for the glory, which pretty much is recognized by the
audience.
Faith is deciding to allow yourself to believe
something your intellect would otherwise cause
you to reject, otherwise there's no need for faith.
Rod
> guardian Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote in news:5390852b-d9b6-41f3-
> 9e51-2a0...@x31g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Jun 18, 9:44� pm, walksalone <spamstop...@nerdshack.com> wrote:
>
> Through but not to snow, it would appear today, in his message, the boy is
> at a state of total confusion.
>
>>>> "God" as a name is a pagan idol derived from Germanic roots.
>>> No, it is not. � It is attested to as early as the city of Gad. �
>> You are
>>> confusing jehovah with elohim, god & the council of god in this case. �
>> When
>>> used to describe forgein gods, elohim refers to the pantheon.
>> So even my unbelieving stalker admit that elohim is a plural word.
>
> Something I have never denied, if you're referring to me. But I was not
> aware that you were important enough for anybody to stalk. If I am stalking
> you, that means I am posting messages in every newsgroup that you are
> involved in instead of simply the newsgroups that you are trolling.
However, how is it possible that you are only stalking him in the
newsgroups you claim he is trolling and not every group he particpates
in, UNLESS you ARE STALKING HIM, eh ?
Thanks for revealing the truth behind your present lie....
Linda Lee
> On Jun 18, 3:35 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > That is exactly what he is working towards because he is of the anti-
> > christ spirit. I notice he speaks of God in the OT referring to
> > himself as a husband and conveniently ignores that the followers of
> > Yahashua` the Messiah are called the "bride of Christ".
>
> Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down
> from YAHWEH out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her
> husband.
>
> It is the city of followers that are his people that are the Bride.
> You have invented a false title because you presumed the man is the
> almighty.
I have invented nothing as the "the bride, the Lamb's wife" is
commonly referred to as the "bride of Christ". I realize you still
have not bothered to read the New Testament, so here is where the
bride of Christ is correlated to God's bride (just seven verses
following your own search results):
Rev. 21:9 , "And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had
the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me,
saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife."
>
> Num 23:19 El is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,
> that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath
> he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Why can't you comprehend simple English ? Demonization? The first
part of that sentence simply means God is not a liar nor in need of
repentance like men are wont to be.
>
> You do not believe the Torah.
You do not know the Torah nor the New Testament. READ IT.
>
> Rev 18:23 “And the light of a lamp shall not shine in you any more at
> all. And the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you
> any more at all. For your merchants were the great ones of the earth,
> for by your drug sorcery all the nations were led astray.
>
> The bridegroom is Yahweh. In your rush to deny Yahweh, confusion has
> reigned over you. You have heard the voice of neither the bride or the
> bridegroom.
LOL. You are so pathetically ignorant. The New Testament teachings of
the Messiah testify that the Bridegroom is both God and Messiah as
they are one and the same.
I see nothing whatsoever has changed with you and that you continue,
as always, to 'argue from ignorance'.
Linda Lee
> guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote in news:5390852b-d9b6-41f3-
> 9e51-2a0c84cd8...@x31g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Jun 18, 9:44Â pm, walksalone <spamstop...@nerdshack.com> wrote:
>
> Through but not to snow, it would appear today, in his message, the boy is
> at a state of total confusion.
No doubt.
>
> >> > "God" as a name is a pagan idol derived from Germanic roots.
>
> >> No, it is not. Â It is attested to as early as the city of Gad. Â
> > You are
> >> confusing jehovah with elohim, god & the council of god in this case. Â
> > When
> >> used to describe forgein gods, elohim refers to the pantheon.
>
> > So even my unbelieving stalker admit that elohim is a plural word.
>
> Something I have never denied, if you're referring to me. But I was not
> aware that you were important enough for anybody to stalk.
He is paranoid and regularly refers to anyone who disagrees with his
confused version of the Scriptures as a "stalker". Of course, it is a
different story when the 'shoe is on the other foot'.
guardian Snow
> On Jun 18, 2:57 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 18, 3:35 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > That is exactly what he is working towards because he is of the anti-
> > > christ spirit. I notice he speaks of God in the OT referring to
> > > himself as a husband and conveniently ignores that the followers of
> > > Yahashua` the Messiah are called the "bride of Christ".
>
> > Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down
> > from YAHWEH out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her
> > husband.
>
> > It is the city of followers that are his people that are the Bride.
> > You have invented a false title because you presumed the man is the
> > almighty.
>
> I have invented nothing as the "the bride, the Lamb's wife" is
> commonly referred to as the "bride of Christ". I realize you still
> have not bothered to read the New Testament, so here is where the
> bride of Christ is correlated to God's bride (just seven verses
> following your own search results):
>
> Rev. 21:9 , "And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had
> the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me,
> saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife."
Wife and Bride are different. A wife is already married and a bride
is yet to be married or has just been married. So, the Lamb's wife is
to become the Bride to the Husband, Yahweh.
Isa 54:5 “For your Maker is your husband, Yahweh of hosts is His Name,
and the Set-apart One of Yisra’ĕl is your Redeemer. He is called the
Elohim of all the earth.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from
YHWH out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the
tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they
shall be his people, and YHWH himself shall be with them, and be their
Elohim.
walksalone
> On Jun 21, 5:40 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 18, 2:57 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> > On Jun 18, 3:35 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
snip tail chasing & hot air exhibition.
Well Snow, you finally managed to be totally empty of content. But here
is a chance for you to shine, or as usual, not.
walksalone who knows better than to anticipate an intelligent response by
snow, in this post and prior posts by snow are accurate, he does not know
what an intelligent response is. He actually believes, is quoting things
out of context, as if they were silver bullet. Yet, they aren't & he
isn't the interpreter he thinks he is.
* Anon
"If GOD did not make homosexuals, there would be none."
singin4free
response to Linda Lee)
<Linda Lee quoted>
> > Rev. 21:9 , "And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had
> > the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me,
> > saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife."
<Snow Responded>
> Wife and Bride are different. A wife is already married and a bride
> is yet to be married or has just been married. So, the Lamb's wife is
> to become the Bride to the Husband, Yahweh.
This is a serious logical error in interpretation. If the Lamb's wife
is to become the Bride of YHWH, as you are trying to say, under your
belief that the Son is not YHWH, that would require a divorce. And
YHWH hates divorce. So, you cannot use this interpretation and make it
work. The truth is that The Son IS YHWH, so the verse contains no
contradiction versus Isaiah 54:5 or Rev 21:2-3 as it stands, without
any logical gymnastics.That is because:
"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with YHWH and the Word
WAS YHWH... and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we
beheld his glory." (John 1). - singin4free
guardian Snow
The "word" is a creation of Yahweh just as the son was MADE flesh. I
realize that this is hard for you to grasp, that YHWH is spirit.
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
That this spirit was imparted on his Son made servant and light of the
gentiles but because you have no love of Torah, you will not recognize
this simple truth. The scriptures of your bible are mistranslated and
what you see as "wife" is the word, "Gune" and it simply means woman.
Rev 17:18 “And the woman whom you saw is that great city having
sovereignty over the sovereigns of the earth.”
Notice that in the verse it is translated woman and if you look, you
will find it is the same word. Your translation is altered to suite
your doctrine but it doesn't change the Greek. The bride is simply
the Lamb's "lady" as I would translate it.
Rev 21:2 And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed
Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Elohim, prepared as a
bride adorned for her husband.
You are correct in finding this but I felt it was pointless to show
because still you will seek your own wisdom and not that of Moses and
the Prophets. The PROOF that I am correct is in this verse:
Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as
the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings,
saying, Alleluia: for YAHWEH Elohim omnipotent reigneth.
Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the
marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
The woman would not be a wife at the marriage, she would be a bride or
a woman.
walksalone
> On Jun 22, 12:15 am, singin4free <jffry...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 21, 2:06 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote: (i
> n
>> response to Linda Lee)
>>
>> <Linda Lee quoted>
snip
True but not to Snow, as usual he's displaying his ignorance expecting
everybody else to applaud it.
> The "word" is a creation of Yahweh just as the son was MADE flesh. I
> realize that this is hard for you to grasp, that YHWH is spirit.
>
> Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to
> worship in spirit and truth.”
How strange, trying to use a work written by an unknown author who would
have been dead by the time the work was published or in circulation. The
lad is just not very astute. But he likes to quote mine because that way he
can pretend he's been profound when he sent to being foolish.
Context disagrees with you. Again.
4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye
shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is
of the Jews.
4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to
worship him.
4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit
and in truth.
4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called
Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
It would appear, Elohim is absent again. Your insistence on inserting into
where it does not belong, that one indication of your fanaticism.
> That this spirit was imparted on his Son made servant and light of the
> gentiles but because you have no love of Torah, you will not recognize
Do you always enjoy chasing your tail? Or is this a special effort to
impress others?
> this simple truth. The scriptures of your bible are mistranslated and
> what you see as "wife" is the word, "Gune" and it simply means woman.
A wife is a woman, as is a bride. A bride is a wife by legal definition,
and you're attempting to make it something special and not what is
routinely accepted means you're attempting to engage in special pleading
and definitions. Typical dishonesty from people of your caliber.
> Rev 17:18 “And the woman whom you saw is that great city having
> sovereignty over the sovereigns of the earth.”
Something That Has Never Happened, nor Can.
> Notice that in the verse it is translated woman and if you look, you
> will find it is the same word. Your translation is altered to suite
> your doctrine but it doesn't change the Greek. The bride is simply
> the Lamb's "lady" as I would translate it.
Given your inability to correctly translate the word Lord, why should
anybody expect you to know what you're talking about at this time?
> Rev 21:2 And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed
> Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Elohim, prepared as a
> bride adorned for her husband.
Okay, where is the city coming down from on the heavens, not from Elohim,
the Council of the gods, but from Yahweh, in this case, either order of god
as the case may be. Science has removed any need for even taking the above
passage seriously.
> You are correct in finding this but I felt it was pointless to show
> because still you will seek your own wisdom and not that of Moses and
> the Prophets. The PROOF that I am correct is in this verse:
They had to have wisdom in order for people to seek it. But they are part
and parcel of a national epic in the making, you old atheist you.
> Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as
> the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings,
> saying, Alleluia: for YAHWEH Elohim omnipotent reigneth.
> Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the
> marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
>
> The woman would not be a wife at the marriage, she would be a bride or
> a woman.
The second they were joined she is a wife. But then, what do you know? Not
what you claim to know, what do you know. What can you show? Well you can
show that you understand the difference between good and evil as entities
and that they are real entities, if that was possible.
Like in this case?
walksalone who does understand the snow has created for himself, I am
supposed to be agreeing with him and I'm not. He has failed to convince me
and I do not believe him. But then, I tend to avoid fanatics in the 1st
place. But then, I even have more latitude in real life and they don't
scare me so much as they make me wary. They're trying to sell something
that is fatal to others, the loss of their own beliefs may not be instant
death, but it does take its toll.
Just another failed Messiah who was ahead of his time. Unfortunately, it
worked this is taken from is not a favorite of xians and it has been under
much much much more attack than one book should ever have to withstand.
Granted, the author was writing for an audience that shared knowledge he
had, and did not record his notes like we would today. That by itself is
not invalidate what he wrote. It leaves it in a deplorable state because
it's not supported by external evidence, but it was not meant to be. It was
written as a tract, for an audience that was well acquainted with the
information that he was using.
This is simply another of the predecessors of the xian Messiah. Ideas do
not come into existence in a vacuum, nor do heroes. The list of dying and
resurrecting gods is rather long, and the majority are from the
Mediterranean basin and precede xianity by a rather embarrassingly long
period of time.
ATYS OF PHRYGIA CRUCIFIED, 1170 B.C.
Speaking of this crucified Messiah, the Anacalypsis informs us that
several histories are given of him, but all concur in representing him as
having been an atoning offering for sin. And the Latin phrase "suspensus
lingo," found in his history, indicates the manner of his death. He was
suspended on a tree, crucified, buried and rose again.
guardian Snow
>
> How strange, trying to use a work written by an unknown author who would
> have been dead by the time the work was published or in circulation. The
> lad is just not very astute. But he likes to quote mine because that way he
> can pretend he's been profound when he sent to being foolish.
>
> Context disagrees with you. Again.
>
> 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye
> shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
> 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is
> of the Jews.
> 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
> worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to
> worship him.
> 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit
> and in truth.
> 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called
> Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
> 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
>
> It would appear, Elohim is absent again. Your insistence on inserting into
> where it does not belong, that one indication of your fanaticism.
I love seeing heathens giving bible lessons:)) Good job boy.. keep it
up.
walksalone
> On Jun 22, 4:25�am, walksalone <spamstop...@nerdshack.com> wrote:
Through, but not to snow. Wouldn't want him to suffer from information
overload now would we.
They do a better job than you can, but everyone else knows that.
Here is something that you do well, avoid defending your claims & earning
the title of charlatan & false teacher.
walksalone who is not sure what snow loves, other than himself.
ACCUSE, v.t. To affirm another's guilt or unworth; most
commonly as a justification of ourselves for having wronged
him. Devils dictionary
guardian Snow
Brilliant. Elohim and God
A recent post has reminded me that people still want to pervert the
truth. For some silly reason, people have started to convert to using
the title Elohim to replace “God” and this should not be done.
Elohim does NOT mean God and I can’t be any clearer than that. Elohim
means “mighty one” and while it is used many times as a title for our
Almighty, it is not his name. You cannot replace the title Elohim
with “God” and all versions of scriptures that do this are corrupted
and useless, fit only for fire.
In scriptures we have many different Elohim’s such as Moses and Israel
as a nation as recorded:
Psa 82:6 I, I said, “You are elohim, And all of you are sons of the
Most High.
Psa 82:7 “But as men you die, And fall as one of the heads.”
It’s silly that ISR made this title to be used without capitalizing it
to say it means something different.. “You are Elohim”, simply means
that you are made mighty by Yahweh, the Elohim of Elohims.
Deu 10:17 “For [Yahweh] יהוה your Elohim is Elohim of mighty ones and
Master of masters, the great Ěl, mighty and awesome, who shows no
partiality nor takes a bribe.
We can see here that there a many “mighty ones” but only one is our
Almighty. Simply put, Elohim is a plural title that can mean many
mighty ones or even a nation of mighty ones. God is a singular word
and a complete faulty mistranltion. Somebody named Frank recently
posted:
“Jesus is Yahweh (YHWH).
Jesus is Yahweh Elohim (LORD God).”
This is a completely ignorant and blasphemous statement. He is
attempting to again blend the mistranslations with what is truly
written in Hebrew. He wants to make his belief match up but this is
the same error that has been done for 2000 years now, out of
ignorance. I don’t think Frank is evil but he is attempting out of
vanity to reason old wine and new wine together in the same flask.
Mat 9:17 “Neither do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the
wineskins burst, and the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are
ruined. But they put new wine into fresh wineskins, and both are
preserved.”
Franks wine skin has burst. He wants to use Greek words still even
using mistranslated names for Yehoshua and maintain his old belief.
His sin is vanity. It is a vain man that is unable to recognize he is
wrong.
Joh 12:44 Then [Yehoshua] יהושע cried out and said, “He who believes
in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me.
To My brother Jonathan, John never at any point makes the false
assertion that Yehoshua was the Almighty. To the contrary as you see,
Yehoshua by John makes it clear that we do not worship his Messiah but
in (the spirit) of our heavenly Father who sent him.
Joh 4:23 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true
worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the
Father also does seek such to worship Him.
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
The Good News of John doesn’t lead us to false worship, only
mistranslation of the word Elohim to God allows that and the two words
have entirely different meanings. We are told to put away old things
and never to return to them.. “God” is not a title I use.. period…
it’s the name of Baal.
Yehoshua is ELOHIM, just like Moses or any other mighty one but that
does not make him the Almighty.
Isa 19:20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness to [Yahweh]
יהוה of hosts in the land of Mitsrayim. When they cry to [Yahweh] יהוה
because of the oppressors, He sends them a Saviour and an Elohim, and
shall deliver them.
Yahweh is our Savior for sending us an Elohim in Yehoshua and there is
none other.
Isa 45:21 “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel
together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from
that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a
righteous Ěl and a Saviour, there is none besides Me.
Isa 45:22 “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I
am Ěl, and there is none else.
We have ONE SAVIOUR in Yahweh alone who sent us his Elohim and Savior
son Yehoshua.
Hos 2:16 “And it shall be, in that day,” declares [Yahweh] יהוה, “that
you call Me [One Husband] ‘אישׁ,’ and no longer call Me ‘My Baʽal.’
Hos 2:17 “And I shall remove the names of the Baʽals from her mouth,
and they shall no more be remembered by their name.
Hos 2:18 “And in that day I shall make a covenant for them with the
beasts of the field, and with the birds of the heavens, and with the
creeping creatures of the ground, when bow, and sword, and battle I
break from the earth. And I shall make them lie down in safety.
Hos 2:19 “And I shall take you as a bride unto Me forever, and take
you as a bride unto Me in righteousness, and in right-ruling, and
kindness and compassion.
Hos 2:20 “And I shall take you as a bride unto Me in trustworthiness,
and you shall know [Yahweh] יהוה.
Shalom,
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singin4free
> On Jun 22, 12:15 am, singin4free <jffry...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 21, 2:06 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote: (in
> > response to Linda Lee)
>
> > <Linda Lee quoted>
>
> > > > Rev. 21:9 , "And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had
> > > > the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me,
> > > > saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife."
> > <Snow Responded>
> > > Wife and Bride are different. A wife is already married and a bride
> > > is yet to be married or has just been married. So, the Lamb's wife is
> > > to become the Bride to the Husband, Yahweh.
>
> > This is a serious logical error in interpretation. If the Lamb's wife
> > is to become the Bride of YHWH, as you are trying to say, under your
> > belief that the Son is not YHWH, that would require a divorce. And
> > YHWH hates divorce. So, you cannot use this interpretation and make it
> > work. The truth is that The Son IS YHWH, so the verse contains no
> > contradiction versus Isaiah 54:5 or Rev 21:2-3 as it stands, without
> > any logical gymnastics.That is because:
> > "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with YHWH and the Word
> > WAS YHWH... and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we
> > beheld his glory." (John 1). - singin4free
>
> The "word" is a creation of Yahweh just as the son was MADE flesh. I
> realize that this is hard for you to grasp, that YHWH is spirit.
>
No, the WORD is not a creation. It says in John 1:1: "In the beginning
was the Word and the Word was WITH YHWH", (meaning he always was with
YHWH), "and the Word WAS YHWH" (meaning he was not created, unless
YHWH is created, which of course he is NOT).
> Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
> in spirit and truth.”
>
To worship in spirit requires receiving the Holy Spirit and worshiping
as one born of the Spirit. To be born of the Spirit one must believe
in Yeshua. Yeshua is the Word made (i.e, he "became") flesh who was in
the beginning WITH YHWH and WAS YHWH.
> That this spirit was imparted on his Son made servant and light of the
> gentiles but because you have no love of Torah, you will not recognize
> this simple truth.
The Son is also a GIVER of the Spirit:
Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith
unto them, Receive ye the Holy Spirit:
Only YHWH can give the Spirit.
> The scriptures of your bible are mistranslated and
> what you see as "wife" is the word, "Gune" and it simply means woman.
>
It says "wife" in your own Revised Names KJV.
> Rev 17:18 “And the woman whom you saw is that great city having
> sovereignty over the sovereigns of the earth.”
>
> Notice that in the verse it is translated woman and if you look, you
> will find it is the same word. Your translation is altered to suite
> your doctrine but it doesn't change the Greek. The bride is simply
> the Lamb's "lady" as I would translate it.
>
As you would translate it?
> Rev 21:2 And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed
> Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Elohim, prepared as a
> bride adorned for her husband.
>
> You are correct in finding this but I felt it was pointless to show
> because still you will seek your own wisdom and not that of Moses and
> the Prophets. The PROOF that I am correct is in this verse:
>
> Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as
> the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings,
> saying, Alleluia: for YAHWEH Elohim omnipotent reigneth.
> Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the
> marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
>
> The woman would not be a wife at the marriage, she would be a bride or
> a woman.
The imagery is that God is married to his people. i.e., he will never
leave them or forsake them. Paul uses the same imagery of Christ and
the church. An unbreakable union and vow of love and commitment, and
protection. Your usage of it as argument against Yeshua being YHWH is
absurd. There is nothing in this verse to remotely suggest that the
bride is anything but the bride of Christ. And there is no
contradiction with Yeshua reigning and YHWH reigning because Yeshua is
the Son, and the Son is YHWH, just as the Father is YHWH and the Holy
Spirit is YHWH.
YHWH started a Yeshua movement. The Father loves the Son and has
called everyone to come to him for salvation. It is the name of Yeshua
the Messiah that saves, by the testimony given to us by the apostles
who were witnesses of the things they told us, and were sent out by
Yeshua.
Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel,
that by the name of Yeshua the Messiah of Nazareth, whom ye crucified,
whom YHWH raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here
before you whole.
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders,
which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none
other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
guardian Snow
You do not recognize that the name that saves you is YHWH? You have
allowed confusion to reign on you.
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen the Father at any time; the only begotten
Son, which was in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
You only see the flesh but you do not see the SPIRIT that is YHWH.
Joh 14:9 יהושע said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you
have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father, and
how do you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Joh 14:10 “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father
is in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak from Myself.
But the Father who stays in Me does His works.
Those who say Yehoshua saw the Father because the Father YHWH was IN
HIM, which is to say the spirit was in the flesh but you have not seen
him and you should worship THE SPIRIT of YHWH and have no other Elohim
besides him.
Joh 14:11 “Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me,
otherwise believe Me because of the works themselves.
Joh 5:37 “And the Father who sent Me, He bore witness of Me. You have
neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
Having the spirit of YHWH is not the same as being YHWH because the
spirit is not limited to the flesh. Until you understand that you
have never SEEN YHWH, you fall into false worship. I appreciate what
you are attempting to say and I highly regard you as a brother.
I would like you to join this forum:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua <-- please join
In this way we can have an uninterrupted discussion as two believers
because I know that you are seeking truth and you will not be
moderated if you join.
walksalone
> On Jun 22, 5:32 am, walksalone <spamstop...@nerdshack.com> wrote:
>> guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote
>> innews:551920a0-cef2-4bd0-9e
> 40-d75e...@u9g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > On Jun 22, 4:25 am, walksalone <spamstop...@nerdshack.com> wrote:
snip priors evaded by snow.
Through, but not to snow, he can't comprehend that his truth is only truth
where he & other gullible people are concerned.
snip some serious confusion of the part of snow, which is not really a news
flash.
> The Good News of John doesn’t lead us to false worship, only
> mistranslation of the word Elohim to God allows that and the two words
Elohim of course does not mean god, but gods as in the council of
�l who was the senior god of the Canaanite pantheon. But alas, he was on
his way out due to age & changeing climatic conditions. Political turmoil
didn't help matters either.
> have entirely different meanings. We are told to put away old things
> and never to return to them.. “God” is not a title I use..
> period… it’s the name of Baal.
But it is a title, one applied to the xian gods, primarily the big three.
In reference to Ba'al, it is Ba'al Gad, pronounced gawd. He too is a god.
> Yehoshua is ELOHIM, just like Moses or any other mighty one but that
> does not make him the Almighty.
Moses was not & is not a god. Like your missing messiah, he is a no show
when there should be evidence that he had passed this way. The exodus for
starters.
But he was not even a gibborim, or one of the mighty ones of old.[Gen 6:4]
References of the meaning of the passage & word can be had by the audience.
Snow can't believe them for they do not support his claioms.
> Isa 19:20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness to [Yahweh]
> יהוה of hosts in the land of Mitsrayim. When they cry to [Yahweh]
> יהוה because of the oppressors, He sends them a Saviour and an
> Elohim, and shall deliver them.
19:11 The princes of Zoan are utter fools; the wisest counsellors of
Pharaoh are a senseless counsel; how can ye say unto Pharaoh: 'I am the son
of the wise, the son of ancient kings'?
19:12 Where are they, then, thy wise men? And let them tell thee now; and
let them know what the Lord of hosts hath purposed concerning Egypt.
19:13 The princes of Zoan are become fools, the princes of Noph are
deceived; they have caused Egypt to go astray, that are the corner-stone of
her tribes.
19:14 the Lord hath mingled within her a spirit of dizziness; and they have
caused Egypt to stagger in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth
in his vomit.
19:15 Neither shall there be for Egypt any work, which head or tail, palm-
branch or rush, may do.
19:16 In that day shall Egypt be like unto women; and it shall tremble and
fear because of the shaking of the hand of the Lord of hosts, which He
shaketh over it.
19:17 And the land of Judah shall become a terror unto Egypt, whensoever
one maketh mention thereof to it; it shall be afraid, because of the
purpose of the Lord of hosts, which He purposeth against it.
19:18 In that day there shall be five cities in the land of Egypt that
speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the Lord of hosts; one shall be
called The city of destruction.
19:19 In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the
land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord.
19:20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts
in the land of Egypt; for they shall cry unto the Lord because of the
oppressors, and He will send them a saviour, and a defender, who will
deliver them.
19:21 And the Lord shall make Himself known to Egypt, and the Egyptians
shall know the Lord in that day; yea, they shall worship with sacrifice and
offering, and shall vow a vow unto the Lord, and shall perform it.
19:22 And the Lord will smite Egypt, smiting and healing; and they shall
return unto the Lord, and He will be entreated of them, and will heal them.
19:23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the
Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria; and the
Egyptians shall worship with the Assyrians.
19:24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, a
blessing in the midst of the earth;
19:25 for that the Lord of hosts hath blessed him, saying: 'Blessed be
Egypt My people and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel Mine
inheritance.'
Seems that as usual, the Hebrew Bible does not support your claim.
Again.
> Yahweh is our Savior for sending us an Elohim in Yehoshua and there is
> none other.
If he is your saviour, then he can't be mione. Mine would have to have
higher standards. BTW, it's not an elohim, but the elohim. That plural
thing as you have claimed to know. BTW, there aere others, gods are like
fairy's, as long as one person believes in them, they exist.
> Isa 45:22 “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I
> am Ěl, and there is none else.
�l was the original god of Judea, indeed all of Canaanite society, & head
of the elohim. After all, they were his children.
Deuteronomy 32:8-9
When the Most High (Elyon) allotted peoples for inheritance,
When He divided up humanity,
He fixed the boundaries for peoples,
According to the number of the divine sons;
For Yahweh's portion is his people,
Jacob His own inheritance.
Why yes, that is a quote mine, anyone want the rest of the chapter for
context.
> We have ONE SAVIOUR in Yahweh alone who sent us his Elohim and Savior
> son Yehoshua.
snip attempts to dazzle the audience with his lack of brilliance. Quote
mining our of context & then defending it is so passe.
But here is where you excel, avoiding doing anything to show why you should
not be called a false teacher.
walksalone who still has that case of beer that snow can not jepordise.
But then, neither can Rod drink it.
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NIV New International Version
OBA Herbert G. May, Oxford Bible Atlas (London/New York: Oxford
University Press, 1974).
OBO Orbis Biblicus et Orientalis (Freiberg)
PEQ Palestine Exploration Quarterly
PSBA Proceedings of the Society of Biblical Archaeology
RITA K.A. Kitchen, Ramesside Inscriptions Translated and Annotated: Notes
and Comments 7 Volumes (Oxford: Blackwell, 1993-).
RB Adriaan de Buck, Egyptian Readingbook (Leiden: Nederlands
Instituut voor het Nabije Oosten, 1970 - 3rd edition).
RSV Revised Standard Version
RV Revised Version
SAK Studien zur Alt�gyptischen Kultur
SJOT Scandanavian Journal of Old Testament
TB Tyndale Bulletin (Cambridge)
TDOT Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament (Eds. G.J. Botterweck &
Helmer Ringgren; Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1974-)
TLZ Theologische Zeitschrift
Urk. I Kurt Sethe, Urkunden des Alten Reich (Leipzig:
Hinrichs'sche, 1933)
Urk. IV Kurt Sethe, Urkunden der 18. Dynastie 4 volumes (Berlin:
Akademie-Verlag,1961).
VA Varia Aegyptiaca (San Antonio)
VT Vetus Testamentum
VTS Vetus Testamentum Supplements
Wb Adolf Erman & Hermann Grapow, W�rterbuch der �gyptischen Sprache 5
volumes (Leipzig: J.C. Hinrichs'sche, 1926-1931).
Z�S Zeitschrift f�r �gyptische Sprache und Altertumskunde
ZAW Zeitschrift fur die Alttestamentliche Wissenschaft
ZDPV Zeitschrift des deutschen Pal�stina-Vereins
walksalone
> On Jun 22, 8:23 pm, walksalone <spamstop...@nerdshack.com> wrote:
Why have you been removing the messianic newsgroup from the headers? Are
you ashamed of your performance in front of your brothers and sisters? Or
are they getting tired of your nonsense and telling you so? In any event,
I will continue to reinstate the newsgroup because, that's your home base
for your message is on topic instead of off topic but your presentations
to the xian groups.
Through but not to snow, the concepts that are going to be involved are
beyond his ability to comprehend. Quite possibly deliberately on his
part.
> Pointing out the fact that scriptures have been mistranslated is not
> accusing “the brethren”, it’s a fact that even scriptures itself
> confirms.
All Scripture has been mistranslated. It has to do it effectively do not
know exactly how the words and idioms were used during the times of the
writings. It does not help that we do not have the originals. And yes,
you are accusing everybody else of having the wrong translation except
yourself. There is no holy writ, from anywhere in the world, that is
accurately translated from one language to another.
> Jer 8:8 “How do you say, ‘We are wise, and the Torah of Yahweh is
> with us’? But look, the false pen of the scribe has worked
> falsehood.
It doesn't say that, it's a miracle context. We have an unknown author
making a claim, but who is the scribe that were used in the false pen.
The priesthood, the elite, the prophets, the merchants, or the temple
prostitutes and butchers? The scribe only transcribed what he heard
someone say. Or did you think, scribes were the ruling class? They were
hirelings, and though not well paid, held in high esteem. You really
don't know much about the history of your mythology do you? Is that why
all you can do is select quote that seems to a support your position even
when they don't?
> The argument is that Jesus is the creator of heaven and earth. In a
As your argument, I have seen it forwarded by any serious biblical
scholar, or mythologist. Quite possibly, because nothing could be further
from the truth. The creator of heaven and earth, according to the Judaic
tradition, is �l. In this case, that does not simply mean god, it means
a rather specific god. The god of the Canaanite society. Not just any god
of Canaanite society, the head knocker, the father of time, the ancient
one, along with many other titles that have been subsumed by the priests
of Yahweh.
> deeper analysis of why Christians believe this, it comes down to a
Most xian I know don't believe that. But then, I don't speak for them and
you apparently have that authority even though they have not granted it
to you.
> sheer fact that they have made for themselves a Elohim to serve them
They have not made a council of gods, you have. And then you pretend
because our singular because, under the Jewish mythology, it had to be
that way. Otherwise, they were following everybody else's gods. There was
nothing to distinguish their tribe from anyone else unless they made a
special claim for a particular god that nobody else had. That set the
stage for the introduction of Yahweh.
> in their time of need that they have no desire to obey or be like.
In the time of their need, or their time of need? Around here, pedophiles
use that to justify having sex with their children. It usually goes like
this, can't provide her/him during my time of need. And it works. Not
with me mind you, but it works with the people that know about it and do
nothing about it.
> They claim to follow Jesus and then overthrow his teachings with
You can't follow someone who never existed. Not if you want to pretend he
existed, kindly pony up the actual evidence and not the claims of the
anthology no as the Greek Testament.
> Apostle Paul and claim they are saved by faith alone and ignore the
> dozens of scriptures they say each will receive according to his
> works.
As one one of the beauties of the Greek Testament, you can find anything
you want to it. Just like you do, and you do with the Hebrew Bible.
> Rev 22:12 “And see, I am coming speedily, and My reward is with Me,
> to give to each according to his work.
Which rather conflicts with a claim he made, some standing here will not
taste death before my return. This gave birth to the legend of the
wandering Jew in Europe.
> They ignore the teaching that specifically say obey the Father in
> Heaven, YAHWEH.
Maybe because there are no such teachings? Just because you think there
are, does not mean there are.
> The Christian Church is divided into thousands of factions because
> they are unable to agree because the scriptures don’t agree. This
> lack of unity comes from confusion and is a curse from Yahweh himself.
No, and order to provide a curse, one must exist. There has to be a real
entity doing the cursing. We know, from the history found within the
Hebrew Bible and the surrounding region, at no time was Judea a highly
prosperous and internationally recognized power. We do know that the only
time it had prosperity and peace was about 40 years in duration. Under a
King that the priesthood despised.
The confusion comes from so many possible interpolations of what is
supposed to be meant. In part, this is based on the proliferation of the
seminary's versus universities where theology is taught. In part, this is
something that people like you cause when they pretend that they
understand what the word actually means when they haven't a clue. Like
your insistence that the word Lord does not mean god, with a G. It can,
just like you can mean an archbishop, a mayor, a judge, or a member of
the community that is highly thought of by the remainder of the
community. It's a word, it is used as a use innocent, because the ancient
Hebrews wanted the remainder of the world to realize, their god was
special. Never mind, all the other gods were treated the same way. Your
confusion is not binding on anybody but you.
> Deu 28:20 “יהוה [Yahweh] sends on you the curse, the confusion,
> and the rebuke in all that you set your hand to do, until you are
> destroyed and until you perish quickly, because of the evil of your
> doings by which you have forsaken Me.
As usual, by now, the audience realizes you have taken this out of
context. You haven't a clue as to what actually is being discussed here.
I can go into it, but you already wasted more than enough of the
audience's time, as well as mine.
> “Con” meaning against, “fuse” meaning coming together. Why
> does Yahweh send this curse on the Christian church of all people?
Your lack of fluency in Hebrew possibly exceeds that of my. Why should I
take your word about anything when you are wrong about many basic items?
> Deu 28:14 “And do not turn aside from any of the Words which I am
> commanding you today, right or left, to go after other mighty ones to
> serve them.
Who is being commanded, and why these mighty ones. Are they other tribal
chieftains, are they warlords, maybe they are a priest in the next
village over, whatever they are there not mighty ones as used in the
Hebrew Bible. They were already gone by the time of Deuteronomy.
> Because they refuse to obey Yahweh. They are filled with the darkness
It's hard to obey somebody what does not exist. Your fevered imagination
does not create reality.
> of arrogance that presumes they are the only true believers and yet
Strange, that's exactly how you act.
> they believe they do not have to obey Yahweh’s commands, that they
Other than you, I've never seen a pitching claim that. But then, you
share a common delusion with other fanatics. You assume that your
fantasies are the realities of others. They're not.
> are saved by faith alone. Now Yahweh does not wish that they perish
> and will not destroy them but a house divided will fall.
If he's a god, and does not wish that they perish, then they will not.
It's not real complicated. He has the power or he does not. If he does
not, why are you calling him a god.
> Mar 3:25 “And if a house is divided against itself, that house is
> unable to stand.
And yet, your Messiah came in to divide houses, father against son,
neighbor against neighbor, mother against daughter, and cause strife
without cause. How typical you'd want to emulate that.
> Christians refuse to acknowledge that they have a divided doctrine
> because if they refuse to acknowledge Paul as a false apostle.
> Yehoshua said:
Paul is just an accurate apostle is anyone xianity is concerned. Granted,
he is self appointed, and this is assuming he existed as described.
Without him, xianity would be another lost Middle Eastern mythology. So
yes, xians below him a debt of gratitude I suppose. Just as they owe
Satan a debt of gratitude for the invention of the mother in law. I don't
see it myself, but your mileage will vary in another and how many
fantasies to the gallon you will get.
> Mat 5:18 “For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth
> pass away, one jot or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah
> till all be done.
And yet, no one follows Hebrew law for a very practical reason. You would
be looking through bars for the remainder of your life. I can imagine the
results of you lifting a hand to a child in my presence, especially a
child that did not belong to you and you claimed you were following the
law of Yahweh.
> Well, dear reader, Heaven and the earth are still here. We are still
> waiting for his return when he establishes his kingdom and his throne
> and leads Israel.
Correction, you are. The majority people that are read in context
realise, as xianity goes, it's not a major philosophical improvement in
the lives of humans. It is simply a reiteration of decent ethics
attributed to an individual who is historically absent. His teaching
reflects the ethics of the time and theirs nothing advanced in the Greek
Testament. A rather pitiful showing for a series of gods.
> Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against
> us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it
> to his cross;
Except, historically and legally, there could have been no crucifixion
under Roman law. You are only crucified for one of three things, and
being a religious fruitcake was not one of them. But take heart, there is
a case on record of a religious individual being flogged and released.
As a sidenote, common criminals were never executed by crucifixion. Why
should they, they made better slaves. And it's not as if society would
miss them.
> He could not “blot out” a single ordinance, which is to take away
> from the Torah.
And yet, we know the Torah cannot be the word of a god because it's
historically inaccurate. One hell of a national epic, but claims made on
his behalf, failed the I was there test. We start out with the garden of
the routine, which of the two versions is correct? Is Lillith the
original wife of Adam, or a chapter to correct, & it is it Eve? If it's
the word of a god, or one can be correct. However, if both stories were
entrenched with time it was finally put in writing and canonized, then
there is a bit of a conflict. Much as some of the ancient cities
mentioned in the Hebrew Bible, yes they existed at the time the national
epic was being written in the primary characters were supposed to have
been around. But when writing at least 500 years after the fact, it's
really easy to include information that nature and none can gainsay you.
Will history can, but at that time, we did not have history as we
understand it today. In other words, they got away with lying until such
time as the myth was no longer held to be so sacred it could not be
examined.
> Deu 4:2 “Do not add to the Word which I command you, and do not take
> away from it1, so as to guard the commands of יהוה your Elohim
> which I am commanding you. Footnote: 1See also 12:32, Prov. 30:6, Rev.
> 22:18-19.
Of course, you had a totally incorrect, but you are correct in one
aspect. It applies to xians as well if they claim Yahweh as their Lord
and Master. However, the current excuse is, it applies to the Jews only
because you have a closure on their anthology as well. Even though that
anthology included that phrase to prevent others from forging and
modifying his particular fantasy. Whoever he was. Or they were. After
all, it's claimed they were on the Isle of the enchanted mushroom. And
stoners very rarely make sense.
> Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those
> guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of [Yehoshua]
> יהושע.
I'm busy, someone who is not familiar with the Bible is trying to
interpolate to you really need to go back to where it is used at that
nickel, and get it back.
> Apostle Paul and mistranslation are the only reason that Judah rejects
> the Messiah Yehoshua!
There are many reasons that the Messiah is rejected by Judah. First and
foremost, he is a failed Messiah if he existed. But then, don't let
things like that bother you, nobody expects you to know much more than
your name.
> The single greatest mistranslation in scriptures is to remove the name
> of our Almighty Creator, YAHWEH and replace it with the title of
No, that's not a mistranslation. Granted, it does not meet with your
approval, but the ancients did not really give a damn about your
approval. And it is their mythology.
Snip, I really important things to attend to at this time. Such as
standing up and stretching, contemplating my navel, examining my hair for
split ends and things are equally earth shattering importance.
Just as he is not an expert on much of anything except hot air, he
continued to establish what the audience is aware of, he has a lot to
say, and no snacks to nothing about what is talking and claiming. Just
like in the following.
walksalone could be somewhat startled should snow ever attempt to justify
his position and verify that yes, good and evil are entities instead of
figments of the imagination that we use to explain things that don't go
our way.
Scriptures: The sacred books of our holy religion, as distinguished
from the false and profane writings on which all other
faiths are based.
Ambrose Bierce
Barry OGrady
>You do not recognize that the name that saves you is YHWH? You have
>allowed confusion to reign on you.
>
>Joh 1:18 No man hath seen the Father at any time; the only begotten
>Son, which was in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Exo 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh
unto his friend.
>You only see the flesh but you do not see the SPIRIT that is YHWH.
Whose fault is that?
Barry
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dolf
seminal event... wild and feral. Our Baron Samedi may be drunk and
debaucherous, but he wears a helmet!
dolf
and debaucherous, but he wears a helmet!"
Randy ® [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "But the fruit of the
Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. [Galatians 5:22]"
(ru) dolf: "Go to Hell, I say!"
;;;Matt;;; (trdel...@nsgmail.com): "Nice post. Thanks and God Bless.
BTW see you have a stalker."
"When we presume to interpret G-d's intentions rather than adhere to the
letter of His Law, we lose our place in Paradise, we kill our brother,
and we and our families are swallowed up alive by the world around us.
What was the rebellion of Korach {baldness; ice; frost} all about?
A simple reading of the Parsha indicates that Korach and his supporters
challenged the leadership of Moshe {taken out; drawn forth} and Aharon
{a teacher; lofty; mountain of strength}. As a first cousin to Moshe and
Aharon, and sharing the same Yichus - lineage, Korach felt that he had
equal claim on the leadership of the nation. The 250 men from the tribe
of Reuven {who sees the son; the vision of the son} who joined with
Korach also felt that the designation of Aharon's family as Kohanim was
based on nepotism, and decided to join Korach in bringing the issue to a
head. However, the story is far more complex.
The conflict between Korach and Moshe was, and is, fundamental to
understanding our relationship with Hashem and His Torah." [Copyright ©
1998 by Rabbi Aron Tendler and Project Genesis, Inc. He is Rabbi of
Shaarey Zedek Congregation, Valley Village, California]
(ru) dolf: "Isn't it barbaric to impale citizens on their national
symbols--be it an ANZAC Day memorial stone as idea imported from Egypt
or a crucifix?"
Randy ® [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "Are you disputing the
accuracy of what I claimed Galatians teaches, or are you simply, again,
trying to malign someone for noticing and applying the truth?"
(ru) dolf: "But you are disputing it and cannot engage me in honest
dialog because that discussion always ends in a lack of comprehension on
another's part."
;;;Matt;;; (trdel...@nsgmail.com): "OK the above is scripture are you
disputing it? Would seem you are. Be Well."
(ru) dolf: "We're waiting for Bruno (Borat) to do his number in the
Sydney streets... Foisted / Hoisted with his own petard, now that his
billboard has gone up in Taylor Square, Oxford Street: According to
Wikipedia, a Mr. Petar Bojović (Serbian: Петар Бојовић) (July 16, 1858
in Miševići near Nova Varoš – January 20, 1945 in Belgrade) was one of
four Serbian vojvodas (field-marshals) in Balkan Wars and World War I.
He was, by origin Montenegrin Serb from the Vasojevići clan." [Courtesy:
Wikepedia 2009]
Bazza Magoo (Barry [Lucy Boots] OGrady): "What is Qolan Dolt? You should
quore something before your reply. Only fools top post."
(ru) dolf: "How honest is his Karl Stefanovic impersonation? According
to 2009.6.24 media reports by Jason Koutsoukis courtesy: The Age
Newspaper, former treasurer Peter Costello and Ms Gillard visiting
Jerusalem, have called for a different kind of conversation from world
leaders trying to promote freedom and justice: "If the root of democracy
is conversation, then the true root of friendship is honesty," Ms
Gillard said.
"We should be honest about the difficulty of achieving a just and
lasting settlement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict."
"We should be honest about where we all fail to live up to our ideals.
We should be honest about how, despite its importance, politics is only
one small part of what shapes our lives and our actions. We should be
honest about what each of our nations still has to learn.
"And we should use honesty to make our exchanges and our differences
more valuable and better appreciated." [(c) 2009 Fairfax Digital, The
Australian Newspaper 2009.6.24 on-line edition]
Carl McCluskey (sai...@nettally.com): "This public service announcement
has been brought to you by 'Citizens For Truth In Advertising' {tm}
which is solely responsible for its content."
(ru) dolf: "That's qolon spelt without a 'u' and semantical
justification for that is found in the zeitgeist inspired name Qantas as
spirit of a nation!"
Carl McCluskey (sai...@nettally.com): "I see you haven't had any success
arresting anyone at hotmail nor any place else as you threatened."
(ru) dolf: "Did my foot slip upon the way or did Cardinal George Pell
continue to show disrespect to State by failing to proffer an
apology--which by any artful accomplishment is now opportunity past?"
dolf
What a seminal event... wild and feral. Our Baron Samedi may be drunk
guardian Snow
> > Wife and Bride are different. A wife is already married and a bride
> > is yet to be married or has just been married. So, the Lamb's wife is
> > to become the Bride to the Husband, Yahweh.
>
> This is a serious logical error in interpretation. If the Lamb's wife
> is to become the Bride of YHWH, as you are trying to say, under your
> belief that the Son is not YHWH, that would require a divorce. And
> YHWH hates divorce. So, you cannot use this interpretation and make it
> work. The truth is that The Son IS YHWH, so the verse contains no
> contradiction versus Isaiah 54:5 or Rev 21:2-3 as it stands, without
> any logical gymnastics.That is because:
Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and
with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name
written in their foreheads.
The Lamb has the name of his Father YHWH along side the 144,000
written on his forehead.
Even in your version the Lamb has a deity.
Joh 20:17 יהושע said to her, “Do not hold on to Me, for I have not yet
ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am
ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My Elohim and your
Elohim.’ ”
Rev 3:12 “He who overcomes, I shall make him a supporting post in the
Dwelling Place of My Elohim, and he shall by no means go out. And I
shall write on him the Name of My Elohim and the name of the city of
My Elohim, the renewed Yerushalayim, which comes down out of the
heaven from My Elohim, and My renewed Name.
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour יהושע cried out with a loud voice,
saying, “Ěli, Ěli, lemah sheḇaqtani?” that is, “My Ěl, My Ěl, why
have You forsaken Me?”
Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour יהושע cried out with a loud voice,
saying, “Ěli, Ěli, lamah sheḇaqtani?”1 which is translated, “My Ěl,
My Ěl, why have You forsaken Me?”
walksalone
> On Jun 22, 12:15 am, singin4free <jffry...@gmail.com> wrote:
snip prior attempt at essay by snow. Through but not to snow, as usual.
Today, he's been unable to follow the yellow bouncing ball.
>> This is a serious logical error in interpretation. If the Lamb's wife
>> is to become the Bride of YHWH, as you are trying to say, under your
>> belief that the Son is not YHWH, that would require a divorce. And
>> YHWH hates divorce. So, you cannot use this interpretation and make
>> it work. The truth is that The Son IS YHWH, so the verse contains no
>> contradiction versus Isaiah 54:5 or Rev 21:2-3 as it stands, without
>> any logical gymnastics.That is because:
>
> Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and
> with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name
> written in their foreheads.
It is always struck me as odd how people that don't know what they are
talking about and have nothing to provide in the way of evidence relied
to the good old standard, drown them in bullshit.
> The Lamb has the name of his Father YHWH along side the 144,000
> written on his forehead.
Which of course, is not Jewish. The concept, along with many a Lamb after
a human is not supported throughout Jewish tradition or concepts. Of
course, substituting a human for a Lamb is not a Jewish concept. A human
side mother died is not a Jewish concept. So apparently we have somebody
enjoying a glass of mushroom tea. If that passage is correct, that means
you don't get to go to heaven. You're not Jewish male virgin already in
the company of Yahweh.
> Even in your version the Lamb has a deity.
No, that is a Greek affection. Under Hebrew custom and law, animals do
not have deity, or a deity. I cannot recall one instance of any animal
who do not require the presence of deity to act as anything but an
animal. The tale of the talking ass comes to mind, where a Satan was
required in order for the asked to be able to talk. Yahweh himself had to
open the animals mouth to permit human speech. So your metaphor, of what
are you desire to label this flight of fancy is to you, is based on your
own imagination and not that of the Hebrew Bible. Mind you, it is rather
imaginative at times, but not that imaginative.
> Joh 20:17 יהושע said to her, “Do not hold on to Me, for I have
> not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them,
> ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My Elohim and
> your Elohim.’ ”
Apparently, the English-language is still giving you a hard time, under
ancient Hebrew theology, all humans were the sons of god. Minus the deity
part. It is only after the Babylonian vacation that this concept of
ascending to the heavens is incorporated into the Hebrew mythology. It
always was a part of the Greek mythology where you are allowed to become
a deity by special invitation. At no time, under Hebrew understanding,
was a human going to become deity. There was all-in-one god and he does
not share his authority or glory. Not really complicated, but you can
make it that way.
> Rev 3:12 “He who overcomes, I shall make him a supporting post in
> the Dwelling Place of My Elohim, and he shall by no means go out. And
> I shall write on him the Name of My Elohim and the name of the city of
> My Elohim, the renewed Yerushalayim, which comes down out of the
> heaven from My Elohim, and My renewed Name.
I see you still have the problem understanding the Elohim does not refer
to a specific god but the council of gods. Specifically the Council of �l
and not the Council of Yahweh even though he too had one if you believe
the myth.
> Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour יהושע cried out with a loud
> voice, saying, “Ěli, Ěli, lemah sheḇaqtani?” that is, “My
> Ěl, My Ěl, why have You forsaken Me?”
Not something you would expect to hear from me god who knew he was about
to be resurrected. But something that would not surprise you if you were
dealing with a failed traitor/insurrectionist/I don't want to be Roman
anymore type person.
> Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour יהושע cried out with a loud
> voice, saying, “Ěli, Ěli, lamah sheḇaqtani?”1 which is
> translated, “My Ěl, My Ěl, why have You forsaken Me?”
Really, translated by who, you? I would not trust you translate the label
on a can of soup in modern-day Israel, your grasp is less than tenuous of
not only idiom, but context, slang & history. It's not your fault, nobody
told you how much study was going to be required when you decided to
speak for Glod.
So much for your projections of the day snow, but here is something you
are an expert at according to you. That's right, how not to support your
position in public.
walksalone, regarding his two last claimed identical passages from the
New Testament, who has reason to doubt the above two passages are
identical to Morella and very close to it. Working from memory only, I do
recall that no two were even, let alone identical. Each was written for a
different audience, each was written in support of an already existing
xian community. Consequently, the message did not need to be identical,
and should not be identical, they were appealing to different people. Of
course, matters of that nature and are inconsequential to those like snow
who believe they have the answers, but always demonstrate a failure to
understand the question. Or, even notice the question has been presented.
Saint: A dead sinner revised and edited.
Ambrose Bierce
Linda Lee
>
>
>
> > On Jun 21, 2:06 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote: (in
> > response to Linda Lee)
>
> > <Linda Lee quoted>
>
> > > > Rev. 21:9 , "And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had
> > > > the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me,
> > > > saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife."
> > <Snow Responded>
> > > Wife and Bride are different. A wife is already married and a bride
> > > is yet to be married or has just been married. So, the Lamb's wife is
> > > to become the Bride to the Husband, Yahweh.
>
> > This is a serious logical error in interpretation. If the Lamb's wife
> > is to become the Bride of YHWH, as you are trying to say, under your
> > belief that the Son is not YHWH, that would require a divorce. And
> > YHWH hates divorce. So, you cannot use this interpretation and make it
> > work. The truth is that The Son IS YHWH, so the verse contains no
> > contradiction versus Isaiah 54:5 or Rev 21:2-3 as it stands, without
> > any logical gymnastics.That is because:
> > "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with YHWH and the Word
> > WAS YHWH... and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we
> > beheld his glory." (John 1). - singin4free
>
> The "word" is a creation of Yahweh just as the son was MADE flesh. I
> realize that this is hard for you to grasp, that YHWH is spirit.
LOL. It is difficult, rather impossible, that you can grasp that God/
Elohiym IS Spirit, Father, and Son, as in Isa. 48:16, where the Lord
God (the Father) AND his Spirit BOTH have "sent" the one who had been
with Him from the beginning, and which He has told humankind about
from the beginning. (Remember, you recently quoted verse 11, as usual
misunderstanding it entirely.)
Isa 48:11 For mine own sake, [even] for mine own sake, will I do
[it]: for how should [my name] be polluted? and I will not give my
glory unto another.
Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I [am]
he; I [am] the first, I also [am] the last.
Isa 48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and
my right hand hath spanned the heavens: [when] I call unto them, they
stand up together.
Isa 48:14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them
hath declared these [things]? The LORD hath loved him: he will do his
pleasure on Babylon, and his arm [shall be on] the Chaldeans.
Isa 48:15 I, [even] I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have
brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.
Isa 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in
secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there [am] I:
and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
Notice in Isa. 4816 it says, "the Lord GOD, AND his Spirit, hath sent
me", "me" being the one sent who had been with the Lord GOD AND with
his Spirit "from the beginning", IOW, the Father, the Son, and the
Holy Spirit are ONE and are "the first" (our Maker) and also "the
last" (our Saviour incarnate) because He/God does not give His glory
to another (verse 11), and is our only Saviour.
John 17:5 Yahashua` the Messiah and Saviour says, "And now, O Father,
glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with
thee before the world was". [Snowjob thinks, Gee, I thought God
wouldn't give his glory to another, and how can the Son of God (the
Saviour, the one 'with' God since the beginning) share the glory of
the Father???????] Your confusion is complete.
You cannot comprehend the Scriptures (not that you have read them
except for snippets derived from your search results) because you are
not a child of God, and therefore their meaning is hidden from you.
Sad, but true, and what is really sad is that you falsely present
yourself as a pastor attempting to lead others into your confusion.
Linda Lee
> On Jun 21, 2:06 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote: (in
> response toLindaLee)
>
> <LindaLeequoted>
>
> > > Rev. 21:9 , "And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had
> > > the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me,
> > > saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife."
> <Snow Responded>
> > Wife and Bride are different.
Funny that he resorts to "Wife and Bride are different", forgetting
(or rather never knowing since he has demonstrated that he doesn't
actually read the Scriptures nor anyone else's posts even when he
quotes them AND even replies to them as he has just done here) that
BOTH wife and bride are used in reference to the Bride of the Lamb/
Saviour, so once again -- Rev. 21:9, "And there came unto me one of
the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last
plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the
BRIDE, the Lamb's WIFE".
guardian Snow
> John 17:5 Yahashua` the Messiah and Saviour says, "And now, O Father,
> glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with
> thee before the world was". [Snowjob thinks, Gee, I thought God
> wouldn't give his glory to another, and how can the Son of God (the
> Saviour, the one 'with' God since the beginning) share the glory of
> the Father???????] Your confusion is complete.
>
> You cannot comprehend the Scriptures (not that you have read them
> except for snippets derived from your search results) because you are
> not a child of God, and therefore their meaning is hidden from you.
> Sad, but true, and what is really sad is that you falsely present
> yourself as a pastor attempting to lead others into your confusion.
Joh 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word and
believes in HIM WHO SENT ME possesses everlasting life, and does not
come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
That you do not believe in the one who sent Yehoshua to the world is
your issue. That I do not worship at the table of G'd
Isa 65:11 “But you are those who forsake YAHWEH, who forget My set-
apart mountain, who prepare a table for G'd, and who fill a drink
offering for Meni.
H1171
בּעל גּד
ba‛al gâd
bah'-al gawd
From H1168 and H1409; Baal of Fortune; Baal Gad, a place in Syria: -
Baal-gad.
but the spirit of Yahweh is also true. Thanks for sharing your
thoughts with me. Take care and be blessed.
walksalone
b78f-391...@g7g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
> On Jun 26, 3:00 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
Through but not to snow. The concepts will continue to elude him and his
current victims that can fight back with as much confusion as he can.
>> John 17:5 Yahashua` the Messiah and Saviour says, "And now, O Father,
>> glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with
Among the many complications you introduce with that claim, is who is
this the Messiah and Savior you believe in history does not believe was?
>> thee before the world was". [Snowjob thinks, Gee, I thought God
>> wouldn't give his glory to another, and how can the Son of God (the
>> Saviour, the one 'with' God since the beginning) share the glory of
>> the Father???????] Your confusion is complete.
>>
>> You cannot comprehend the Scriptures (not that you have read them
>> except for snippets derived from your search results) because you are
>> not a child of God, and therefore their meaning is hidden from you.
>> Sad, but true, and what is really sad is that you falsely present
>> yourself as a pastor attempting to lead others into your confusion.
>
> Joh 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word and
> believes in HIM WHO SENT ME possesses everlasting life, and does not
> come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
And you really expect anybody who cannot find your missing messiah in
history to believe what somebody come in a lone author at that, claims
was said by him?
> That you do not believe in the one who sent Yehoshua to the world is
> your issue. That I do not worship at the table of G'd
That's alright, after all, you have to impress yourself by pretending to
know more than you can demonstrate.
> Isa 65:11 “But you are those who forsake YAHWEH, who forget My set-
> apart mountain, who prepare a table for G'd, and who fill a drink
> offering for Meni.
Another verse taken out of context. By the way, who is Meni. What
Yahweh, that passage, but second-half or addition to Isaiah, is not in
the JPS. But wait, usually a special edition, one nobody else has. What
makes it special, your inability to comprehend the written word in
context.
> H1171
> בּעל גּד
> ba‛al gâd
> bah'-al gawd
> From H1168 and H1409; Baal of Fortune; Baal Gad, a place in Syria: -
> Baal-gad.
Unfortunately, where every are getting your misinformation from, is as an
inadequate representation as you are likely to make any time soon. Ba'al
is primarily the possessor of all that is as well as the weather God.
> but the spirit of Yahweh is also true. Thanks for sharing your
> thoughts with me. Take care and be blessed.
Unfortunately for you, there is no spirit of Yahweh. There is a ru'ah,
but has the same thing that you're thinking about. That particular
entity, more commonly known as Sophia or the Holy Spirit, has nothing to
do with Greek Testament and your misinterpretations.
But here's something you excel at, the inability to support your claims.
Just as you are doing in the above, confusion.
walksalone who has no anticipation of snow ever intelligently responding
to the issues he raised, after all, he cannot even support to claim for a
messiah who own concepts being real people for all practical purposes.
But then again, he does not have to defend his position, he's on a
mission from Glod, without that particular entity's permission of course.
And those in the know and know that Glod exists, and he's definitely
involved with soul music. Just ask Buddy & Cliff.
ABSURDITY, n. A statement or belief contrary with one's own
opinion.
Devils dictionary
and go to sleep
vince garcia
>
> On Jun 23, 9:54 pm, Raymond <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
> > > This is because you follow Paul and not Yehoshua the Messiah of Yahweh.
> >
> > No that is because you have been deceived and teach a false doctrine.
> > I follow the WHOLE BIBLE and if I used Hebrew/Greek I follow that
> > tongue, which you only play with, again you are a liar!
>
> If you followed the WHOLE BIBLE then the issues of GUARDING THE
> COMMANDMENTS would be top of your list.
>
> Mat 19:17 And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good
> except One – Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
> commands.”
>
> Since of course we both know that Yehoshua told you to guard the
> commandments, which of course means that you would love Yahweh by
> keeping those commandments and topping that list would be to have no
> other Elohim before him and not bringing his name to naught.
>
> > > Had you followed the Messiah:
> >
> > More like when will you follower JESUS the Messiah? The only way to
> > the Father is by Jesus Christ, and the Angels called Jesus "God with
> > us" which you deny and mock.
> >
> > May God have mercy on your lost soul.
>
> I don't need your "God", I have Yahweh. What's funny is that while
> you’re busy berating my version of scriptures, the only difference is
> that the name of the Almighty is restored where your preface tells you
> that it is removed.
>
> Joh 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word and
> believes in HIM WHO SENT ME possesses everlasting life, and does not
> come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
>
> who sent Yehoshua and saved him so that the name of YHWH was written
> on his forehead.
>
> Rev 14:1 And I looked and saw a Lamb standing on Mount Tsiyon, and
> with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s Name
> written upon their foreheads.
>
> That guarding the commandments of YHWH is life in the word of truth.
> I respect that you might disagree but I have no desire to attack your
> belief, I am simply defending mine to you and I hope you understand
> this.
>
> Mar 9:37 “Whoever receives one of such little children in My Name
> receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
> SENT ME.”
>
> I hope that you will receive YHWH in your heart.
>
> Deu 32:3 “For I proclaim the Name of [Yahweh] יהוה, Ascribe greatness
> to our Elohim.
>
> His name is not Baal Gawd! Had you believed the WHOLE BIBLE as you
> subscribed, you would have believed in Yahweh, Yehoshua’s Saviour.
>
> 1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in YHWH, that raised him up from the
> dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in YHWH.
>
> Shalom,
> *´¨)
> ¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
> (¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
>
> http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
> or
> http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip <--free
> download of the Restored Names King James Version
>
> responsibility to give something back by becoming more.
> Tony Robbins
GALATIANS CHAPTER 5
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us
free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.*
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall
profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a
debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified
by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor
uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
7 Ye did run well; who did hinder3 you that ye should not obey the
truth?
8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
* 1. Paul is referring to the very "yoke" that the Judaiser of then, and
the heretic of today, seek to place upon the neck of Gentile believers:
observance of the Torah (see verse 3, Mathew 11: 28-30, and Acts
15:7-10).
Despite the attempts of heretics to hold onto Law with one hand, and
grace with the other, the Law was--and is--a "yoke of bondage," and not
the completion of one's walk with God, nor do more than its basic moral
principles have any place in the Gentile Christian's life. The reason
for this--and the reason why I belabor the point throughout this
work--is that while Paul accepted Jews continuing in Torah observance (1
Cor. 7:18 and Romans 14:2), not once did he ever tolerate Gentiles being
taught to keep the various Sabbath, cultural or dietary aspects of it
(Gal. 4:10, Col. 2:16, 1 Tim.: 3-11). This is because a non-Jew who
embraces any of these points of the Law will be moving--not forward, but
backwards in the faith if he adopts them.
When a man comes to salvation in Christ, he has reached a point of
enlightenment that can either grow or wither, depending on the doctrines
he embraces from that point. If he is taught that God now requires or
calls on him to keep various Torah commands, he is now spiritually
retreating into the shadows, and joining the Jews of Romans 14 who were
"weak in the faith," rather than walking forward with the ranks of the
"strong". If he then continues in the lie that Torah observance is a
mandated part of the Christian faith, he will move further and further
from truth, and the end result will be divisions and heresies along
these lines:
1. He will focus more on the Old Testament than the New, and embrace
teachings by so-called "Torah observant" Messianics that the Law must be
kept by every generation. He will consider denial of that position a
doctrine of devils.
2. He will stop using the name Jesus, and call Him Yeshua--not to be
more accurate, but as a denunciation and repudiation of "Gentile
Christianity and its Gentile Jesus" that should be rejected by the
"true" followers of God who keep Torah. He will no longer consider
himself a part of the normal Christian community, but instead a part of
the Messianic community of believers.
3. He will make a personal choice to reject traditional Christian
observances like Easter or Christmas--which, in our society, are in the
crosshairs of the Godless, Satan-inspired politicians and judges--but
then go beyond that to denounce and belittle those who do participate in
them.
4. He will reject orthodox contemporary or historic Gentile Christian
theologians--whom God used mightily to teach and proclaim the Gospel--in
favor of unpedigreed modern Messianic teachers attacking traditional
Christian biblical interpretation. He will come to view the Jewish
Talmud, and the writings of Christ-rejecting Orthodox rabbis, as more
edifying than the writings of Augustine, Luther, Calvin, Knox, Wesley,
and so on.
5. He will claim that his particular group is an example of real
Christianity, and that standard Catholic and Protestant denominations
have lost the true teachings of Christ and the apostles, injecting hosts
of pagan teachings, holidays, and beliefs in their place. In connection
with this, he will adopt an attitude of elitism and pride, considering
Christians and denominations that reject Sabbath and Torah observance to
be in deception--or, at worst, heretics following Satan and the
Antichrist.
6. He will deny the "New Covenant," and instead claim a "Renewed
Covenant," which retains Torah observance. He may reject using the term
Old Testament, considering the Law and the teachings of how to observe
it therein to be equally binding on believers with the writings of the
New Testament.
7. He will ultimately deny the reliability of the New Testament itself.
If confronted about his beliefs with verses that contradict his views,
he will insist those verses are mistranslated, misunderstood, or perhaps
were added by the Catholic Church.
8. He will claim that the New Testament was originally written in
Hebrew, and then go on to seek someone's reconstructed
Hebrew-translation New Testament, which will contradict the Greek New
Testament on key issues and verses, but fit his preconceived notions
about the need for Torah observance.
9. If unable to refute a criticism of his beliefs by those using New
Testament Scripture, he may reject the writings of Paul altogether, and
label him a false prophet. (This has happened with Snow here!)
10. He may come to believe that only those who keep the Jewish Law,
while acknowledging Christ as Messiah, will enter into eternal life, and
everyone else will be damned.
11. He will reach the point where he has "fallen from grace" and Christ
'profits him nothing' when he becomes consciously secure and certain of
his salvation because he acknowledges Yeshua as Messiah--and is "keeping
the Commandments of God".
All these unpleasant things illustrate the deception it is possible to
slip into if, just like the Galatians Paul wrote to, one accepts
Christ's redemption, but then comes to believe he must also keep the
Jewish Torah to be in right standing with God. This is why the Christian
church must stand up and denounce those--including some deceived
ministers on Christian TV--who are advocating various levels of Torah
observance, from Sabbatarianism to keeping the various Jewish Feasts and
tithes (typically, as a formula of witchcraft to gain material
prosperity from God). To do otherwise is to allow error into the church
and "give place to the devil".
To be clear, I am not saying that we should reject the Old Testament,
and need not study it. Rather, I am upholding the Christian precepts
that there is a New--not renewed--Covenant that does not include or
mandate Torah observance; and that Christianity must interpret the Old
Testament through the New, rather than interpret the New through the Old
as the Judaiser teaches.
That is the heresy pervading Messianic Judaism, and what defines much of
it--but certainly not all of it--as a heretical movement to be avoided
and denounced from the pulpit.
copyright by Vince Garcia
guardian Snow
> GALATIANS CHAPTER 5
> 1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us
> free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.*
> 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall
> profit you nothing.
The least you could do is actually write the post. Let's examine the
text together:
Act 16:3 Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and
circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for
they knew all that his father was a Greek.
What a mighty apostle that he would circumcise Timothy and then later
preach that it would mean, "Christ shall profit you nothing". What a
joke your false apostle is.
What about not taking a yoke of bondage?
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and
lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Messiah Yehoshua taught us to take on his yoke and that the burden was
light in keeping the 10 commandments.
All the world travails in pain and anybody that looks around can see
its effects. Most people talk about curses in the scriptures and
operate from the misconception that it doesn’t apply to them. Curses
in scriptures were generational and passed down from Parent to child.
2Pe 2:14 having eyes filled with an adulteress, and unable to cease
from sin, enticing unstable beings, having a heart trained in greed,
*children of a curse,*
The children of a curse spoken of long ago in history that people
never took to heart, being led astray to worship foreign mighty ones
that did not profit them. Everybody has assumed that the great
prophets were Daniel, Isaiah and Revelation but never really
understood Moses made prophecies that apply to “the latter days”.
Yes, Moses was in fact a latter day prophet!
Deu 4:30 “In your distress, when all these words shall come upon you
*in the latter days*, then you shall return to YAHWEH your Elohim and
shall obey His voice.
Here we are, probably 4000 years later, have all these words come on
you? Have you considered Moses a prophet speaking to you? Chances
are, probably not... Most of us don’t or won’t understand the books
of the Torah because we consider them speaking of a people that were
long ago dead and buried. We never stop to think that Moses as a
latter day prophet. Because we don’t apply these words to our lives..
always believing it speaks to others (the tribe of Israel), we don’t
take it to our own hearts and minds... We won’t deeply consider the
words of the Torah, a great mistake that has engulfed everybody and I
mean EVERYBODY.
Christians read Deuteronomy as a curse because Apostle Paul.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of works of Torah are under the curse, for
it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all
that has been written in the book of the Torah, to do them.”
The foundational teachings of Christians can be summed up in this one
verse, the greatest LIE of the New Testament church.@ Israel and
Judah, Christians and the entire world are cursed but not for the
reason we read here in Galatians. People have given over authority to
Apostle Paul having been conditioned from birth as the, “children of a
curse”.
Those who have accepted Paul’s authority over Moses and by extension,
YAHWEH, assume wrongly that Paul had authority to change the Torah...
everybody has made this same mistake, Judah, Messianics and Christians
are all the children of the curse along with the entire world, the
curse of unbelief and the curse of following false authority.
Christians for the most part have no desire to keep the Torah and the
Messianic (Torah “observant” Christians) claim to keep Torah but
arrogance runs deep in this community on a whole. But what does the
Torah say?
Deu 4:2 “Do not add to the Word which I command you, and do not take
away from it, so as to guard the commands of YAHWEH your Elohim which
I am commanding you.
Nobody had authority to change the word of the Torah given by YAHWEH.
A common mistake is to call it, “The law of Moses.” This is a mistake
because it assumes Moses as the Author of the Commandments and clearly
scriptures say they were written by none other than YAHWEH.
Exo 31:18 And when He had ended speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He
gave Mosheh two tablets of the Witness, tablets of stone, written with
the finger of Elohim.
Written by the finger of YAHWEH, not Moses, the TEN COMMANDMENTS are
the covenant given to Israel and were only delivered by Moses. Why do
people name it after the messenger? No sane person can argue that the
covenant of Moses given on Mt. Sinai wasn’t 10 commandments and yet,
all we hear about from one side is no law and the other side says 613
laws and nothing in the middle.
Most people are afraid of the fact that the covenant is only Ten
Commandments and they will try to misquote James when Paul is
invalidated by ripping him out of context, as if Brother James is a
higher authority then the Messiah, Moses or YAHWEH. I tell you now...
they don’t understand him either.
Mat 11:30 “For My yoke is gentle and My burden is light.”
People go around throwing condemnation on everybody else and if you
don’t agree with them it’s because of many things ... just read the
post to follow this and you’ll see... They may even include a passage
of scripture in that condemnation as if it’s a weapon to be wielded
against anybody that doesn’t agree with them and they never stop to
consider, it applies to the author first. Most of the people will not
even read this far into this letter before finding some silly point to
jump on and condemn me... they probably will stop at the earlier @
sign and respond because they are too lazy to actually read an entire
thought. They don’t care, they log on and are looking for something
to attack, and they are not looking for the truth.
The truth is the covenant is only Ten Commandments: Deu 4:13 “And He
made known to you His covenant which He commanded you to do, the Ten
Words, and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
I can’t say that enough, Ten Commandments written in stone. So why do
we hear people talk about 613 commandments? Simply put it is a
failure of recognition between different layers of laws!
Deu 11:1 “And you shall love YAHWEH your Elohim and guard His
Charge1: even His laws, and His right-rulings, and His commands,
always. Footnote: 1See Gen. 26:5.
First off, the idea that the book of Deuteronomy and Exodus are the
introduction of the Law is a lie. The Torah was since the beginning
in effect and we find the same words used in Gen 26:5 long before the
Mt. Sinai covenant.
Gen 26:5 because Aḇraham obeyed My voice and guarded My Charge:
My commands,
My laws,
and My Torot.”
Four (4) levels of the Torah are spoken of, Yahweh’s voice being
first. If Yahweh tells you something personally, obey it. Then after
his voice is his commandments, the 10 given on mount Sinai and a
couple of others such as Passover observance and Sabbaths which are
plural because we have more than just the weekly Sabbath.
Then we have Laws and right rulings or in KJV speak ordinances. This
is not to diminish the importance of laws but to believe apostle Paul
and prevailing Christian logic, we must believe that Yahweh freed his
people from Pharaoh and then took them into the desert and said here
are 613 commandments and if you fail to follow even one of them, your
cursed and will be destroyed and death must follow.
To believe James misquote… we must also subscribe to that same faulty
logic.
Jas 2:10 For whoever shall guard all the Torah, and yet stumble in one
point, he is guilty of all.
Many times Christian’s will quote this single verse to say that if you
don’t follow the smallest ordinance you’re guilty of murder! What
they don’t do is continue to the next verse that reads:
Jas 2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not
murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you
have become a transgressor of Torah.
Clearly even James believed the Torah was the Ten Commandments and he
illustrates this by listing two of them. This teaching is also put
forward by Yehoshua the Messiah:
Mat 19:16 And see, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good
shall I do to have everlasting life?”
Mat 19:17 And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good
except One – Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
commands.”1 Footnote:1See Lk. 10:28, John 12:50, Rev. 22:14.
Mat 19:18 He said to Him, “Which?” And Yehoshua said, “ ‘You shall not
murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You
shall not bear false witness,’
Mat 19:19 ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ and ‘You shall love
your neighbour as yourself.’ ”
We see in the footnotes the same statement is included in Luke, John
and Revelation. He says without any doubt that everlasting life is
based only on keeping the covenant of 10 commandments. So what of the
curse that Apostle Paul speaks of?
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of works of Torah are under the curse, for
it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all
that has been written in the book of the Torah, to do them.”
In plain terms, it is NOT WRITTEN! At no point in the Torah is such a
statement ever written. Paul has added words to the Torah and he
never had that authority to do it. This curse by Paul is a great
deception and most people just assume from childhood conditioning that
somehow Paul has authority to change what is written... What is
written in the Torah?
Deu 11:26 ‘See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse:
Deu 11:27 the blessing, when you obey the commands of Yahweh your
Elohim which I command you today;
Deu 11:28 and the curse, if you do not obey the commands of Yahweh
your Elohim, but turn aside from the way which I command you today, to
go after other mighty ones which you have not known.
So, if you believe Paul over Yahweh, you have followed another and
made him your mighty one! The curse is if you do not obey the
commands.. but at no point does it ever say, “in all that has been
written in the book of the Torah”.. That is a lie! Boldfaced ...
added words to the Torah and not true!
The curse is if you do not establish the words of the Torah...
Deu 27:26 ‘Cursed is he who does not establish the Words of this
Torah.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amĕn!’
But at no point does it ever say that you will die for not having
followed the temple ordinance or many other things that Jew’s wrongly
call commandments. They are not commandments and they know this...
they recognize that there are not 613 commandments and yet they allow
this false teaching to continue.. They too have added words to the
Torah... It’s that simple... You want to enter into everlasting
life.. Believe Yehoshua and keep the commandment... the rest of the
Torah is a WAY OF LIFE.
Pro 6:23 For the command is a lamp, And the Torah a light, And
reproofs of discipline a way of life,
Psa 19:7 The Torah of Yahweh is perfect, bringing back the being; The
witness of Yahweh is trustworthy, making wise the simple;
When we understand that only 10 commandments is the essential thing to
guard, we move forward understanding that his yoke is light and the
way is easy.
Deu 6:2 so that you fear YAHWEH your Elohim, to guard all His laws and
His commands which I command you, you and your son and your grandson,
all the days of your life, and that your days be prolonged.
So the commandments were for life, not a curse as Paul says.
Ultimately then, I personally reject Paul’s authority! This does not
mean that I condemn people who do follow Paul because that is not my
job and it is a personal choice to make.
In Paul I find judgment and condemnation is the prevailing thought and
the idea that “we are unable to be righteous” besides the fact that
many men in scriptures were righteous. Paul also puts forward the
wrong idea that a son is condemned for the sins of his Father, an
argument easily refuted in the Torah and Prophets.
Eze 18:20 “The being who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the
crookedness of the father, nor the father bear the crookedness of the
son. The righteousness of the righteous is upon himself, and the
wrongness of the wrong is upon himself. 21 “But the wrong, if he
turns from all his sins which he has done, and he shall guard all My
laws, and shall do right-ruling and righteousness, he shall certainly
live, he shall not die. 22 “All the transgressions which he has done
shall not be remembered against him – in his righteousness that he has
done, he shall live.
The Torah is a “way of life”, not a curse. We are only cursed if by
sin... it is sin that destroys us and if we believe that we can
continue to sin and have grace then we bear no yoke and have given up
without even attempting to be righteous and let our good fruits
glorify our Father.
Gal 5:1 In the freedom with which Messiah has made us free, stand
firm, then, and do not again be held with a yoke of slavery.
You are not free to sin and if you do, you are, “the children of the
curse”. The curse is if we sin (rebel against Torah) and yoke you
bear is that of the Messiah and you do so willingly.
Psa 119:5 Oh, that my ways were established To guard Your laws!
Psa 119:6 Then I would not be ashamed, When I look into all Your
commands.
Psa 119:7 I thank You with uprightness of heart, When I learn the
right-rulings of Your righteousness.
Mat 12:37 “For by your words you shall be declared righteous, and by
your words you shall be declared unrighteous.”
Ten commandments and a simple choice.. life or death are on your
tongue.
Pro 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue, And those
loving it eat its fruit.
The curse is our sin that destroys us, NOT Yahweh or the Torah!
Deu 4:31 “For יהוה [Yahweh] your Elohim is a compassionate Ěl, He does
not forsake you, nor destroy you, nor forget the covenant of your
fathers which He swore to them.
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"vince garcia" <vggar...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> guardian Snow wrote:
> >
> > On Jun 23, 9:54 pm, Raymond <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > This is because you follow Paul and not Yehoshua the Messiah of
Yahweh.
> > >
> > > No that is because you have been deceived and teach a false doctrine.
> > > I follow the WHOLE BIBLE and if I used Hebrew/Greek I follow that
> > > tongue, which you only play with, again you are a liar!
> >
> > If you followed the WHOLE BIBLE then the issues of GUARDING THE
> > COMMANDMENTS would be top of your list.
> >
> > except One �?" Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
> > commands.�?�
> >
> > Since of course we both know that Yehoshua told you to guard the
> > commandments, which of course means that you would love Yahweh by
> > keeping those commandments and topping that list would be to have no
> > other Elohim before him and not bringing his name to naught.
> >
> > > > Had you followed the Messiah:
> > >
> > > More like when will you follower JESUS the Messiah? The only way to
> > > the Father is by Jesus Christ, and the Angels called Jesus "God with
> > > us" which you deny and mock.
WRONG
Emanual means "With our G-D" NOT G-D with us.
that is why the scripture says "No man can call Jesus lord (not LORD)
except by the Holy Ghost
there is but 1 LORD (YHWH)
and many Lords, and lords
like the British house of Lords is not talking about a bunch of G-D;s
> > >
> > > May God have mercy on your lost soul.
> >
> > I don't need your "God", I have Yahweh. What's funny is that while
> > you�?Tre busy berating my version of scriptures, the only difference is
> > that the name of the Almighty is restored where your preface tells you
> > that it is removed.
> >
> > Joh 5:24 �?oTruly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word and
> > believes in HIM WHO SENT ME possesses everlasting life, and does not
> > come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
> >
> > You fail to reconcile that what we truly need to believe in is the one
> > who sent Yehoshua and saved him so that the name of YHWH was written
> > on his forehead.
> >
> > Rev 14:1 And I looked and saw a Lamb standing on Mount Tsiyon, and
> > with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father�?Ts Name
> > written upon their foreheads.
> >
> > That guarding the commandments of YHWH is life in the word of truth.
> > I respect that you might disagree but I have no desire to attack your
> > belief, I am simply defending mine to you and I hope you understand
> > this.
> >
> > Mar 9:37 �?oWhoever receives one of such little children in My Name
> > receives Me. And whoever receives Me, RECEIVES ME NOT, but the One WHO
> > SENT ME.�?�
> >
> > I hope that you will receive YHWH in your heart.
> >
> > Deu 32:3 �?oFor I proclaim the Name of [Yahweh] �T�"�.�", Ascribe
greatness
> > to our Elohim.
> >
> > His name is not Baal Gawd! Had you believed the WHOLE BIBLE as you
> > subscribed, you would have believed in Yahweh, Yehoshua�?Ts Saviour.
> >
> > 1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in YHWH, that raised him up from the
> > dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in YHWH.
> >
> > Shalom,
> > *´¨)
> > ¸.�?�´ ¸.�?�*´¨) ¸.�?�*¨)
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vince garcia
That was not a part of my post, but you are wrong.
vince garcia
So this is another case of all the Bibles are wrong, and we need you to
correct us, eh?
Perhaps you could tell us your qualifications as a textual critic? What
degrees in greek and hebrew do you have, and when/where did you get
them?
What peer reviewed scholarly works of hebrew or greek translation have
you done that we can verify?
I suspect that the answer is, of course, that you have none. Now that's
fine, because even "ignorant and unlearned men" can teach the
Scriptures, and sometimes teach them well. And your lack of formal
credentials doesn't automatically make you wrong and the scholars right.
But when you contradict every Bible I can think of, 2000 years of
Christian understanding, and everything we've ever been taught on the
issue, I'm going to hold you to the highest possible standard, and
demand to know what qualifies your opinion as superior to that of every
Bible translator listed in the RSV, NASB, new KJV, NIV, NJB, and on and
on, whose credentials we can actually verify.
Immanuel or Emmanuel or Imanu'el (Hebrew "God [is] with us" consists of
two Hebrew words: (�El, meaning 'God') and (?Imma-nu-, meaning 'with
us');
guardian Snow
> > > > > > This is because you follow Paul and not Yehoshua the Messiah of
> > Yahweh.
>
> > > > > No that is because you have been deceived and teach a false doctrine.
> > > > > I follow the WHOLE BIBLE and if I used Hebrew/Greek I follow that
> > > > > tongue, which you only play with, again you are a liar!
>
> > > > If you followed the WHOLE BIBLE then the issues of GUARDING THE
> > > > COMMANDMENTS would be top of your list.
>
> > > > Mat 19:17 And He said to him, â?oWhy do you call Me good? No one is good
> > > > except One â?" Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
> > > > commands.â?
>
> > > > Since of course we both know that Yehoshua told you to guard the
> > > > commandments, which of course means that you would love Yahweh by
> > > > keeping those commandments and topping that list would be to have no
> > > > other Elohim before him and not bringing his name to naught.
>
> > > > > > Had you followed the Messiah:
>
> > > > > More like when will you follower JESUS the Messiah? The only way to
> > > > > the Father is by Jesus Christ, and the Angels called Jesus "God with
> > > > > us" which you deny and mock.
>
> > WRONG
> > Emanual means "With our G-D" NOT G-D with us.
> > that is why the scripture says "No man can call Jesus lord (not LORD)
> > except by the Holy Ghost
> > there is but 1 LORD (YHWH)
> > and many Lords, and lords
> > like the British house of Lords is not talking about a bunch of G-D;s
>
> So this is another case of all the Bibles are wrong, and we need you to
> correct us, eh?
>
> Perhaps you could tell us your qualifications as a textual critic? What
> degrees in greek and hebrew do you have, and when/where did you get
> them?
You are the one who doesn't believe his own PREFACE where the name is
written.
YHWH may not be a name you know but it's in the preface if you ever
read it.
Eze 44:7 In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers,
uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my
sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the
fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all
your abominations.
Eze 44:8 And ye have not kept the charge of mine holy things: but ye
have set keepers of my charge in my sanctuary for yourselves.
Eze 44:9 Thus saith the Master YHWH; No stranger, uncircumcised in
heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of
any stranger that is among the children of Israel.
Why did the recently published “New International Version” (NIV) of
the Bible fail to use the name of Elohim Yahweh when it appears about
7,000 times in ancient Bible manuscripts?
In response to a person who inquired about this, Edwin H. Palmer,
Th.D., Executive Secretary for the NIV’s committee wrote:
“Here is why we did not: You are right that Jehovah is a distinctive
name for God and ideally we should have used it. But we put 2 1/4
million dollars into this translation and a sure way of throwing that
down the drain is to translate, for example, Psalm 23 as, ‘Yahweh is
my shepherd.’ Immediately, we would have translated for nothing.
Nobody would have used it. Oh, maybe you and a handful [of] others.
But a Christian has to be also wise and practical. We are the victims
of 350 years of the King James tradition. It is far better to get two
million to read it—that is how many have bought it to date—and to
follow the King James, than to have two thousand buy it and have the
correct translation of Yahweh. . . . It was a hard decision, and many
of our translators agree with you.”
Jer 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of YAHWEH is with us?
Lo, certainly the lying pen of the scribes hath made it falsehood. 9
The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have
rejected the word of YAHWEH; and what wisdom is in them?
Ironically, Yahweh name is removed from this passage by the scribes.
The lying pen of the scribes has made it falsehood by corrupting the
name of Yahweh with that of Baal, which means “Lord”. So many people
refuse to acknowledge the set apart name of our Father in Heaven.
Of the many scripture prefaces:
New International Version - Preface
In the Preface of the New International Version they state; "In regard
to the divine name YHWH, commonly referred to as the Tetragrammaton,
the translators adopted the device used in most English versions of
rendering that name as "LORD" in capital letters to distinguish it
from Adonai , another Hebrew word rendered "Lord" for which small
letters are used.
Today's English Version in their Preface says; “Following an ancient
tradition...begun by the first translation of the Hebrew Scriptures
(the Septuagint) and followed by the vast majority of English
translations, the distinctive Hebrew name for God (usually
transliterated …Yahweh), is in this translation represented by "LORD."
When Adonai, normally translated "Lord," occurs preposed to Yahweh,the
combination is rendered by the phrase "Sovereign LORD."
In the Introduction to the Old Testament in the Revised English Bible
this statement is made; “The divine name (YHWH in Hebrew characters)
was probably pronounced 'Yahweh',”
The Moffatt Translation in its Introduction, Page XX says; “Strictly
speaking, this ought to be rendered Yahweh, which is familiar to the
modern readers in the erroneous form of Jehovah.”
Unger’s Bible Dictionary, p. 1177 says -" Yahweh (ya' we). The
Hebrewtetragrammaton (YHWH) traditionally pronounced Jehovah is now
known to be correctly vocalized yahwê. New inscriptional evidence from
thesecond and first millennia B.C. point toward this fact...."
Isa 26:13 . YahwehH3068 . 'elohiymH430 .
'adonaiH113 .zuwlahH2108 . . .baalH1166 . . . . . badH905 . . .
zakarH2142 . . shemH8034
Isa 26:13 O Yahweh our Elohim [translated god], other masters [LORDS]
besides You have had rule [baal] over us; only in You do we make
mention of Your Name.
> The fact is that the prophets referred to YHWH called Him both Adonai
> and Elohim. And yes, Abraham was called adonai and Moses was as
> elohim to Pharaoh. Sounds like you have some theology to adjust. You
> consider sharing the same name or title as sharing the glory. Deal
> with it.
Ah, but ... YAHWEH knew beforehand that men would play games with his
name. Abraham wasn't just called adonai, he was called elohim in the
same verse and that's “LORD GOD”. This same title in the Greek is
used with Yehoshua. People confuse Yehoshua with YAHWEH and it's this
lack of clarity that you are attempting to promote. You are again
dodging the issue of removing the name. You said, "The fact is that
the prophets referred to YHWH called Him both Adonai and Elohim."
What you didn't say is that the prophets NEVER excluded his name as 99
percent of all scriptures do these days and as you normally do. Since
both Abraham and Yehoshua and Elohim Yahweh EL Shaddai have similar
titles the only thing that does set apart the Almighty is his name
that you continue to argue is justified in removal of which you again
failed to find any scriptural support to continue.
In fact... I have scriptural support that says not to call YAHWEH by
anything but his name.
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the
name of YAHWEH shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem
shall be deliverance, as YAHWEH hath said, and in the remnant whom
YAHWEH shall call.
It doesn't say all who call on adonai, all who call on baal, all who
call on elohim... THREE times it tells us to call on the name of
YAHWEH. Is it your desire that men not be saved?
Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
another, neither my praise to graven images.
There is only ONE.
Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Can we have any doubt that Yehoshua made known the name of YAHWEH, his
Father’s name.
Exo 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to
the children of Yisrael, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of
Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Yaaqoḇ, has sent
me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all
generations.’
This is the ONLY name ever given.
Act 2:21 ‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of יהוה
[Yahweh] shall be saved.’
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Even today this prophetic statement rings true.
Act 23:6 Now Sha’ul, perceiving that one part were Sadducees and the
other Pharisees, cried out in the council, “Men, brothers, I am a
Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee…
How do Christians reconcile this passage of scriptures? If Paul was
"inspired" by the "Holy Spirit" then either he told the truth and his
IS a Pharisee by his own testimony or a liar. Does the "Holy Spirit"
grant that an Apostle be allowed to lie?
Rom 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie
unto his glory…
A lie is still a lie. The problem that I personally see with the
teachings of Paul vs the Messiah is that while the Messiah taught us
not to judge one another, everything I read in Paul is judgmental and
a Pharisee.
A clear example of how Paul is still preaching as a Pharisee is seen
here:
Mat 9:10 And it came to be, as Yehoshua sat at the table in the house,
that see, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him
and His taught ones.
Mat 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His taught ones,
“Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
1Co 5:11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone
called ‘a brother,’ if he is one who whores, or greedy of gain, or an
idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler – not even to eat
with such a one.
Mat 9:12 And Yehoshua hearing this, said to them, “Those who are
strong have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.
Mat 9:13 “But go and learn what this means, ‘I desire compassion and
not offering.’ For I did not come to call the righteous to repentance,
but sinners.”
When we put the teachings side by side, it’s clear to all except the
many “Christian Pharisee’s” in the world today that are a student of
this Pharisee. What does our heavenly Father tell us in his Torah?
Let’s break it down, First we know:
Deu 4:2 “Do not add to the Word which I command you, and do not take
away from it, so as to guard the commands of Yahweh your Elohim which
I am commanding you.
Isn’t it ironic that they took his name YAHWEH out of the very verse
that says not to alter it? We are not to add or take away from the
Torah. This specifically means the book of Deuteronomy, not the
entire collection of books known as the bible. We can be assured of
that here:
Deu 4:8 “And what great nation is there that has such laws and
righteous right-rulings like all this Torah which I set before you
this day?
Since Paul wasn’t written until thousands of years later, we know the
two are not connected in the command so continue with me please:
Deu 4:9 “Only, guard yourself, and guard your life diligently, lest
you forget the Words your eyes have seen, and lest they turn aside
from your heart all the days of your life. And you shall make them
known to your children and your grandchildren.
How many Christians have forgotten the words of this book? We carry
it around day and night and yet, most don’t know or care what it says
and treat it with disregard as if it’s something written only for that
tribe in the wilderness.
Exo 12:49 “There is one Torah for the native-born and for the stranger
who sojourns among you.”
So, if you consider yourself a person serving our Father, that one
Torah is for you too. Now what is the “Law of Moses” as Christians
call it? You see, most people want to say that it is 613 laws that no
one is able to keep but what does the Torah say?
Deu 4:13 “And He made known to you His covenant which He commanded you
to do, the Ten Words, and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
The TEN COMMANDMENTS are the covenant! So, Just like the Messiah
preached, if you want to enter into life, guard the commandments! How
simple is that? The sign of the “Church of the Dragon” is the church
that has bitterly fought against the 10 commandments. THE CHRISTIAN
CHURCH! Every pastor that preaches against the Sabbath is unknowingly
or willingly a part of the false church!
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to
fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of
Elohim and possessing the witness of Yehoshua Messiah.
YOU my dear reader may be a part of that very church. It is a bitter
pill to think that all these years, WE have been the false church. I
do not tell you this to accuse you but to inform you. Who will be
saved?
Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those
guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of Yehoshua.
Those who guard the commandments are the ones set apart for our
heavenly father. The only reason that the church of the dragon
refuses to accept the truth is over ONE issue, THE SABBATH. For at
least a thousand years Rome has dictated to you what is scriptures and
told you what you are to consider, “the way of [Yahweh] יהוה” but
many do not even know his name and probably call him “GOD” or “LORD
GOD ALMIGHTY”. But that was not the name given to him and for
thousands of years, we have not had access to the truth.
A common cry of the “Church of the Dragon” is that it has been this
way for 2000 years but that’s not true either. The scriptures were not
even canonized until 321 by anti-Semites at the Council of Nicaea.
Then for another thousand years people were either not taught to read
or the words were dictated from pulpits in churches. Emperor
Constantine made sure that pagan Easter, Christmas and the Day of the
Sun were “harmonized” into scriptures and burned or destroyed many
books that were being distributed that didn’t suite his doctrine.
In 1440, German inventor Johannes Gutenberg invented a printing press
and the Gutenberg bible was distributed.
It was not lawful for people to even read the scriptures for
themselves. These bibles were distributed to Church’s with a Germanic
names, which is where the name “God” comes from, not Hebrew, Not Greek
which used, “Theos”.
In 1556, The Geneva (the New Testament completed in 1556 and
published, while the entire work was finished in 1560) Bible that the
“Puritans” brought on the Mayflower to America still read Passover.
It was in fact the Geneva Bible that King James hated so much that
inspired him to authorize his own version with his official stamp of
approval. The margin notes in the Geneva Bible were written by John
Calvin and those who kept the Geneva Bible were called, Calvinist,
Protestants and Puritans.
Being translated by “Protestants” during a time of persecution in
England, the translators converged in Geneva, Switzerland, where they
were able to arrange publication of their work. Fleeing the
persecution of Roman Catholic Queen Mary I (18 February 1516 – died
17 November 1558) in England, who would not tolerate the Protestant
Geneva Bible (which she only lived to see the New Testament version
of) proclaimed the Pope an “antichrist” in its commentary notes of
Revelation.
The Geneva Bible was where John Calvin first stated that the “Dragon
of Revelation” was in fact the Roman Catholic Church. So this
understanding is nothing new and still we keep its cannon except the
“Apocrypha” that was removed in the 19th century by American Bishops!
Note: The Catholic church still considers these books inspired.
In 1604 there was a ruling from the Hampton Court Conference between
the King James I and various clergymen. An agreement was reached that
there should be a revised English version of the Bible without the
side notes of the Geneva Bible. Forty-seven scholars began the
revision to create the King James Version which used the Tyndale,
“Bishop’s Bible” and Geneva Bibles English text, not the Greek or
Hebrew Text.
In 1611, King James’s Bible came along and continued to alter all the
names (except Satan) and removing words like “Sabbath” at key
locations in scriptures to fit his false doctrine. Examining Greek
text, we find that the word “Sabbath” is removed in many locations
after the resurrection.
(Mar 16:2) (Mar 16:9) (Luk 18:12) (Luk 24:1) (Joh 20:1) (Joh 20:19)
(Act 20:7) (1Co 16:2) (Heb 4:9)
And (Mat 28:1) Sabbath is removed the second instance of its use.
So then people had Germanic based deity names (In a Hebrew based
scripture) in bibles from English versions revised in the KJV but it
was the Geneva Bible is what was brought to the Americas. So again
we see that the words of scriptures were altered and removed by
scribes and translators. Can anybody say Babylon? The prophet
Jeremiah knew this and penned:
Jer 8:7 “Even a stork in the heavens knows her appointed times. And a
turtledove, and a swallow, and a thrush observe the time of their
coming. But My people do not know the right-ruling of Yahweh.
Jer 8:8 “How do you say, ‘We are wise, and the Torah of Yahweh is with
us’? But look, the false pen of the scribe has worked falsehood.
Ironically scribes again removing the name of Yahweh in a place where
the text reads the scribes mistranslate scriptures.
Jer 8:9 “The wise shall be put to shame, they shall be broken down and
caught. See, they have rejected the Word of Yahweh, so what wisdom do
they have?
The fact is it has not been since the invention of the internet and
the distribution of E-Sword [1998] and other bible software, which
everyday people have had access to what is written. The history… has
hidden the truth for a thousand years by knowing clergymen. Until we
all had computers that could search key words and free access to the
information that has been obscured in foreign languages, we simply did
not know.
NOW we know the truth so what does the Torah say?
Deu 4:23 “Guard yourselves, lest you forget the covenant of Yahweh
your Elohim which He made with you, and shall make for yourselves a
carved image in the form of whatever Yahweh your Elohim has forbidden
you.
It’s too late for that, even the modern day English speaking “Jews”
speak of the Germanic name in scriptures.
Deu 4:28 “And there you shall serve mighty ones, the work of men’s
hands, wood and stone, which neither see nor hear nor eat nor smell.
Christians bow before wood and stone crosses and statues all the time.
Deu 4:29 “But from there you shall seek Yahweh your Elohim, and shall
find, when you search for Him with all your heart1 and with all your
being.
When will we find the truth? When we search for him, with ALL our
heart and all our being. So the truth isn’t something that is readily
available, we must search for it. It’s not just a gift that’s tossed
around, we must pray for it and search for it and ask.
Deu 4:30 “In your distress, when all these words shall come upon you
in the latter days, then you shall return to יהוה your Elohim and
shall obey His voice.
Or so we hope you will but many of the Church of the Dragon will war
against the true word.
Deu 11:26 ‘See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse:
Deu 11:27 the blessing, when you obey the commands of Yahweh your
Elohim which I command you today;
Deu 11:28 and the curse, if you do not obey the commands of Yahweh
your Elohim, but turn aside from the way which I command you today, to
go after other mighty ones which you have not known.
Read carefully the curse, it say that if you do not obey the Ten
commandments, you are cursed. Now let’s examine what brother Paul
said:
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of works of Torah are under the curse, for
it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all
that has been written in the book of the Torah, to do them.”
Now the closest to this is here:
Deu 27:26 ‘Cursed is he who does not establish the Words of this
Torah.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amĕn!’
Can you see where he added to the Torah? It does not say “all that
has been written”. What many consider to be a apostle of Christ ADDED
to the words of the Torah. The curse was if you DO NOT OBEY the
COMMANDMENTS and there are only Ten Commandments, regardless of what
Jews speak of.
Deu 4:13 “And He made known to you His covenant which He commanded you
to do, the Ten Words, and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
That being said, is enough for me to recognize that Paul was in fact a
false apostle. I challenge any reader to find the words written by
apostle Paul in the Torah.
1Co 5:3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have
already judged the one who did this, as though I were present.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not
judge those who are inside?
Mat 7:1 “Do not judge, lest you be judged.
1Co 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law
before the unjust, and not before the saints?
In the book of Acts He is asked if he will go before Jerusalem to be
judged in the temple. Did he practice what he preached? Note: At the
time, Nero was Caesar.
Act 25:9 But Festus, willing to do the Jews a pleasure, answered
Paul, and said, Wilt thou go up to Jerusalem, and there be judged of
these things before me?
So he's asked if he will "go before the saints".
Act 25:10 Then said Paul, I stand at Caesar's judgment seat, where I
ought to be judged: to the Jews have I done no wrong, as thou very
well knowest.
We can clearly see that he didn't go back to Jerusalem. What happened
to his earlier account? He said,
Act 21:13 Then Paul answered, What mean ye to weep and to break mine
heart? For I am ready not to be bound only, but also to die at
Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Iesus.
It's historically recorded that he died in Rome and so we see this is
a false statement also!
Mar 8:15 And He was warning them, saying, “Mind! Beware of the leaven
of the Pharisees and of the leaven of Herodes.”
Act 13:1 And in the assembly that was at Antioch ... with Herodes the
district ruler, and Sha’ul.
How long will people ignore Paul's own testimony? If we know the
Roman Church is the Dragon, how come we keep it’s canon?
Shalom,
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Zig Ziglar
A nation or civilization that continues to produce soft-minded men
purchases its own spiritual death on the installment plan.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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download of the Restored Names King James Version
Exo 31:13 “And you, speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘My
Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign1 between Me
and you throughout your generations, to know that I, יהוה, am setting
you apart. Footnote: 1The only sign of YAHWEH setting us apart, the
only sign of the everlasting covenant, is His Sabbaths, one of them
being the seventh day Sabbath. This is repeated in Ezek. 20:12 & 20.
dolf
Today I went to the Chinese Gardens and gave them a copy of my virtual
cube--we discussed the possibility that as a paradigm of empire, it
ought to be possible to overly and orient the virtual Cube in a similar
manner and then observe the phenomenal events in the garden accordingly.
I had to pick up newspaper which someone had left as litter by the Rock
Forest and the Tale of 'Ashima and the Landlord.'
"So spoke they spoke to the king of Assyria {who is happy; or walks; or
looks}, saying: 'The nations who you have removed and placed in the
cities of Samaria {watch-mountain} do not know the rituals of the God of
the land; therefore he has sent lions among them, and indeed, they are
killing them because they do not know the rituals of the God of the land.
Then the king of Assyria commanded saying, 'Send there one of the
priests who you brought from there; let him go and dwell there, and let
him teach them the rituals of the God of the land.
Then one of the priests whom they had carried away from Samaria came and
dwelt in Bethel {the house of God}, and taught them how they should fear
the LORD.
However every nation continued to make gods of its own, and put them in
the houses of the high places which the Samaritans had made, every
nation in the cities where they dwelt.
The men of Babylon {confusion; mixture} made Succoth Benouth {the tents
of daughters, or young women; or prostitutes}, the men of Cuth {burning}
made Nergel {the great man; the hero}, and the men of Hamath {anger;
heat; a wall} made Ashima {crime; offense}, and the Avites {wicked,
perverse} made Nibhaz {budding; prophesying} and Tartak {chained; bound;
shut up}; and the Sepharvites {the two books; the two scribes} burned
their children in fire to Adrammelech {the cloak, glory, grandeur or
power of the king} and Anammelech {answer; poverty of the king}, the
gods of Sepharvaim.
So they feared the LORD, and from every class they appointed fro
themselves priests of the high places , who sacrificed for them in the
shrines of the high places. They feared the LORD, yet served their own
gods--according to the rituals of the nations from among whom they were
carried away." [2 Kings 17:26-33]
Following that I went to the circular void statue, with a plaque dated
28 April 2006 commemorating workers who were either injured on the job
or taken from the day and failed to return home as International Day of
Mourning.
Bowing momentarily before the statue to the accompaniment of La Chicane
Saltwater celtic lyrics...
Open my eyes
Bigger
Listen to the melody
Swimming in Saltwater
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Open my eyes
Saltwater rain
Open my eyes
Go on
Come in
Go on
Come in
Cleanse yourself
Go on
Come in
Our lifeforce
Our people's nation/our wild stormy nights
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Open my eyes
Saltwater rain
Open my eyes
No more inside
Saltwater rain
Open my eyes
I was still listening to this when I came across some skateboarders
doing a competition in a building just off George Street near the
townhall--I stopped momentarily to what was grasping the attention of
their monkeys, when I was approached a security guard (a Polynesian
Gorilla) who asked me to move.
I said, I'll do better than that I'll depart.
I had to ask him whether he muttered a curse under his breath--which he
denied.
Before leaving I commented to a youth who was part of the skateboarding
group on how antisocial the skateboarders were--he cursed at me.
Nous: #39
Time: 11:45 hrs
Date: 2009.9.19
Torah: #6 #5 #6 %81 = #17
Dao: Achieving Oneness, Root of Order
Tetra: #76 - Aggravation
I-Ching: H28 - Excess
Latin: Mirabilis {Great & High God} Alt: Natahyah {The Cutting of God} {
1. HELPS FIND PEACE AGAINST TROUBLE
2. GREAT PERSONALITIES
3. HUMILITY
4. Reno
}
Zerubbabel {Offspring of Babylon/A stranger at Babylon; dispersion of
confusion}
Strata Super (male): #505
39 #39 Achieving Oneness, Root of Order
117 #78 Recognizing Fidelity, Trust in Faith
144 #27 Greatest Functional Skill in Paradoxes
217 #73 Employing Deeming, Daring to Act
284 #67 Three Treasures
325 #41 Playing with Reversal, Sameness in Difference
397 #72 Self-Love, Holding Oneself Dear
448 #51 Natural Guides and Nursing Virtuosity
505 #57 Laissez Faire Politics, Simplicity In Habits
4 Categories
#40, #300, #100, #5, #20, #30, #10 Drinking-vessels
#40, #400, #50, #10, #5 n. Gift of Yah
#5, #90, #100, #10, #300 To make or declare perverse
#505 English Words: anterior; around; attire; circus; connubial;
defrauder; disinfection; double-reed; evader; full-scale; glucose;
hamstring; indemnification; javelin; languish; living; motet; mouse;
move; navigable; noncritical; nonelectric; phonetics; pilaster;
plastered; pulse; reeve; rooter; sappiness; scapula; scruff;
self-propelled; shrug; slough; stet; surface; teeter; test;
thin-skinned; threshold; totem; unbridgeable; unearned; vendible
Strata Ego (female): #381
39 #39 Achieving Oneness, Root of Order
78 #39 Achieving Oneness, Root of Order
108 #30 Government without Coercion, Be Chary of War
154 #46 Guiding Contentment, Moderation of Desire
229 #75 Destructive Envy, Harmed Through Greed
284 #55 Abstruse Mysterious Signs
315 #31 Military Stratagum, Quelling War
375 #60 Skill Rulership, Maintain One's Place
381 #6 Female Superiority, Completion of Form
8 Categories
#1, #300, #80 To use magic
#1, #300, #80 Magician, enchanter
#5, #6, #300, #70 n. Deliverance, --- earlier name of Joshua
#40, #10, #300, #1, #30 n. Who is What God is?
#40, #100, #50, #5, #40, #100, #6, #40 Pasture country
#5, #2, #100, #200, #70, #4 Until the morning (exclusive)
#70, #300, #5, #6 His maker
#381 English Words: affiliation; ammeter; bonito; chunk;
companionable; debunk; decimation; dentifrice; designate; dishonor;
disposable; dogcatcher; egoist; eternal; flume; forenoon; fulfil;
godfather; gooseflesh; heathendom; hesitance; highlighter; hostage;
medication; mulch; niceties; octagon; personae; peseta; pigment;
pitchman; plaintiff; politic; practice; predict; qua; realness;
referrer; reproof; seamless; shenanigans; shoehorn; slant; slipshod;
stogie; ulna
Isn't it barbaric to impale citizens on their national symbols--be it an
ANZAC Day memorial stone as idea imported from Egypt or a crucifix?
Bad karma I thought, is now going to come your way on this the Sabbath
day and you will never be forgiven.
I'm still playing the melody an hour later...
"And the LORD rejected all the descendants of Israel {he that sees God;
he who prevails with God}, afflicted them, and delivered them into the
hand of plunderers, until he had cast them from his sight. For he tore
Israel from the house of David {well beloved; dear}, and they made
Jeroboam {he that opposes the people} the son of Nebat {that beholds}
king. Then Jeroboam drove Israel from following the LORD, and made them
commit a great sin.
For the children of Israel walked in all the sins of Jeroboam which he
did; they did not depart from them, until the LORD removed Israel out of
his sight, as he had said by all his servants the prophets.
So Israel was carried away from their own land to Assyria, as it is to
this day." [2 Kings 17:20-23]
- dolf
- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/kangaroo.html
Pastor Dave
<vggar...@ix.netcom.com> spake thusly:
Galatians 3:1-4a
1) O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you,
that ye should not obey the truth, before whose
eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth,
crucified among you?
2) This only would I learn of you; Received ye
the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the
hearing of faith?
3) Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit,
are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4a) Have ye suffered so many things in vain?
--
Pastor Dave
The following is part of my auto-rotating sig file
and not part of the message above.
"In America, through pressure of conformity, there
is freedom of choice, but nothing to choose from."
-Peter Ustinov
dolf
>
> The following is part of my auto-rotating sig file
> and not part of the message above.
>
>
> "In America, through pressure of conformity, there
> is freedom of choice, but nothing to choose from."
> -Peter Ustinov
>
(ru) dolf: "Semantics...I've noticed a certain patterned behavior as
lack of civility with the conduct and speech of several Americans which
includes Carl McCluskey...
Is your behavior individual or the product of a collective group mind?
I do not consent to interacting with any mechanical device pretending to
be human--it is dehumanizingly anti-social and there is nothing which
distinguishes such activity from Saddam Hussein's son Osay's threshing
machine...
Carl McCluskey (sai...@nettally.com): "This is yet another post of
dolf's (or aaron makker's or qol[u]n's or whatever personality is
dominant this week) that is rambling, overly lengthy, incoherent and
just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Furthermore it merely exposed
dolf's vast level of ignorance. For example his ignorance of the
definition of the word "fascist." If ignorance is bliss, dolf must be
the happiest person on the planet. Apparently his self-admitted mental
illnesses prevent him from absorbing information.
Furthermore dolf's phony "virtual cube" and his little looney poorly
designed we[bs]ite remains
a fraud...
a hoax...
a flimflam...
a con...
a fake...
a phony...
a scam...
a swindle...
a sham...
a counterfeit...
a figment of your deluded, looney imagination...
a forgery...
and completely, utterly and wholly useless (about as useful as a
bowlingbat--[Nice place to go for a holiday but not for a game of
football]). It serves no useful purpose either real nor imagined nor
proves, detects, accomplishes, etc. anything.
dolf/aaron/qolon/whatever identity you're using this week, your mental
illness of which you admitted seems to be getting worse as time goes on.
I certainly hope you will get the psychiatric counseling you so
desperately need before you become a danger to yourself or others.
You've already threatened people publicly and privately so you're
already on shaky ground."
(ru) dolf: "I have no ignorance over the definition of the word fascist
and neither do I use hummous in some 'dark occulted shit' smear campaign
to ferment hatred of homosexuals as Australians by Australians. Perhaps
you've got me confused with that heimelijk schimmel heer Sacha Baron Cohen!"
The tradition of cognitive linguistics is working to determine the more
general cognitive structures pertaining to conceptual content that will
encompass both the cognitive structures known from psychology and those
known from linguistics.
It is this trajectory toward unification with the psychological that
motivates the term 'cognitive' within the name of this linguistic
tradition. The word 'toward' in the title of this volume and of its
companion in fact refers to the long-range form of this trajectory that
I see for our research tradition: to integrate the linguistic and the
psychological perspectives on cognitive organization in a unified
understanding of human conceptual structure.
The appeal that cognitive linguistics makes to psychological structure
is also what distinguishes it from the tradition of semantics in
general. Like cognitive linguistics, the tradition of semantics, after
all, has as its subject the patterns in which conceptual content is
structured in language. But unlike cognitive linguistics, it has not
systematically sought to relate its findings to more general cognitive
categories and processes." [Talmy Vol I 2000:3]
ru (dolf): "I bought a hazelnut roll from the German bakery and gave one
to a destitute woman who was standing alone, forlorn along the way.
And today on my walk through the city of Sydney I was listening to One
Republic by Apologize. As the bells of Saint Mary's were too loud I had
to put it up to full volume... A pan handler asked me for money at the
entrance to the Church and I sang the words to him as I passed by...
"It's too late to apologize"
Descending the stairs I stopped momentarily at the memorial marking the
death of 26yo constable Allan Wayne McQueen who was shot by an offender
attempting to break into motor vehicles on 24 April 1989 and died 5 May
from that gun shot wound.
The plaque commemorating the death reads: "Blessings on your young
courage boy for that is the way to the stairs." [Virgil]
That according to Roman Catholics, the only private autonomic right is
in the grave and not a duty to State.
The pub opposite the King's Cross Coca Cola sign had its fire alarm
going as I passed by--they were undisturbed by the din as the fracas of
those bells ringing, sitting calmly pondering the blues over maroons
(French marron ‘feral,’ from Spanish cimarrón ‘wild,’ (as a noun);
‘escaped slave’; compare) drinking their beers, waiting for the
fire-engines opposite to emerge as hornets in their usual mechanized
manner to deal with the chaotic exigency before them.
C'est la vie!"
(ru) dolf: "Look out Bruno, cause Barry OGrady now does Bazza Magoo...
What a seminal event... wild and feral. Our Baron Samedi may be drunk
and debaucherous, but when this drubber stirs the dead, he wears a
helmet--Slip one on and protest when the picture is taken!"
Randy ® [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "But the fruit of the
Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. [Galatians 5:22]"
(ru) dolf: "Go to Hell, I say."
;;;Matt;;; (trdel...@nsgmail.com): "Nice post. Thanks and God Bless.
BTW see you have a stalker."
Corella (cock...@aussieisp.net.au): "Cops don't usually get caught up
in the legal thresher, they cast others into.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25684659-601,00.html
Nothing to do with justice or a 'justice system'. Legal spiv parasites
sucking on the public purse."
Michael Christ (Jesus...@Father.com): "Jesus,
.jackNote@zen: 4, row: 3, col: 5, nous: 21 [Date: 2009.6.25, Super: #461
/ #7 - Intentional Reversal, Dimming Radiance; I-Ching: H12 -
Stagnation; Tetra: 56 - Closed Mouth, Ego: #321 / #21 - Guiding the
Physical, Emptying the Heart; I-Ching: H31 - Influence; Tetra: 42 -
Going to Meet]
@memeBrain [Telos: #515, Super: #60 - Skill Rulership, Maintain One's
Place; I-Ching: H15 - Modesty; Tetra: 5 - Keeping Small, Ego: #29 -
Deeming, Non-Assertion; I-Ching: H36 - Sinking Light; Tetra: 67 - Darkening]
Male Idea: #60 has 33 Categories: Samekh; #60, #40, #20 = Samekh / A
Prop or Support; #1, #8, #10, #1, #40 = n. Father's Brother; #1, #9, #50
= To bind, to plait; #2, #8, #50 = To try; to make glow, to melt; to
purify (by fire); to test or prove; to watch. (Good confirmation of
Tarot 'Temperance' correspondence); #2, #8, #50 = Prying-place,
watch-tower; #3, #1, #6, #50 = Mounting, swelling; excellency, majesty;
pride, haughtiness; #3, #2, #50, #5 = Curdled milk --- cheese; #3, #50,
#2, #5 = A theft; a thing stolen; #3, #50, #7 = To gather together,
store up, hide; treasurers; chests for keeping valuables,
treasure-chest; coverings; #4, #6, #50 = To tread, press down, subdue,
have power, rule; to contend (at law); to judge; vindicate, defend,
punish; judgment; #5, #40, #10, #5 = Sound (of a harp); #5, #50, #5 =
They; themselves; hither, to this place; lo!, see!; #9, #50, #1 = To
enclose, contain; a basket; #10, #20, #30 = To hold, contain; to be
capable of; to be able; to prevail, to succeed; to control oneself; to
master, comprehend; #10, #30, #20 = To go, to walk; #20, #30, #10 =
Anything prepared or made up; what holds or contains; a vessel or
utensil; garment; baggage; instrument or tool; weapons; a vessel or
boat; grasping one --- a miser; #40, #8, #7, #5 = A sight, vision; #40,
#8, #7, #5 = A view, a window; #40, #9, #1, #9, #1 = A broom; #40, #9,
#6, #5 = A spinning, spunwork; #50, #2, #8 = To bark or bay (as a dog);
#50, #2, #8 = n. Barking (of a city); #50, #3, #2, #5 = Southward; #50,
#3, #6, #1 = n. Brilliance or Beauty, (Venus); #50, #5, #5 = To call or
cry, to wail or lament; #50, #6, #4 = To move to and fro, to wave or
nod; to wander about; to wander away; to nod or incline towards, to
condole or comfort; to bemoan; #50, #6, #4 = To heap up; #50, #6, #4 =
To move off or flee; #50, #6, #4 = A moving or wandering about (n. of
the region of Cain's wanderings); #50, #6, #4 = Condolence; #50, #8, #2
= To comfort; #50, #10 = Wailing
Female Idea: #29 has 1 Categories: #4, #20, #5 = To crush, break; crushing
the Son of God,
@memeBrain [Telos: #560, Super: #24 - Important Distinctions, Trouble
from Indulgence; I-Ching: H5 - Delay; Tetra: 18 - Waiting, Ego: #74 -
Controlling Feelings, Overcome Delusion; I-Ching: H39 - Obstacles;
Tetra: 80 - Labouring]
Male Idea: #84 has 0 Categories:
Female Idea: #103 has 0 Categories:
is the Father's connection to us.
@memeBrain [Telos: #1882, Super: #66 - Strategic Reversal, Putting
Oneself Behind; I-Ching: H41 - Decrease; Tetra: 55 - Diminishment, Ego:
#19 - Argument for Ethical Anarchism, Returning to Simplicity; I-Ching:
H57 - Gentle Penetration; Tetra: 58 - Gathering In]
Male Idea: #150 has 0 Categories:
Female Idea: #122 has 0 Categories:
Jesus is our connection to the Father.
@memeBrain [Telos: #2347, Super: #39 - Achieving Oneness, Root of Order;
I-Ching: H28 - Excess; Tetra: 76 - Aggravation, Ego: #79 - Recognizing
Agreements, Keeping Obligations; I-Ching: H56 - Wanderer; Tetra: 31 -
Packing]
Male Idea: #189 has 0 Categories:
Female Idea: #201 has 0 Categories:
How you treat Jesus is how you treat the Father.
@memeBrain [Telos: #5395, Super: #27 - Greatest Functional Skill in
Paradoxes; I-Ching: H21 - Biting Through; Tetra: 74 - Closure, Ego: #49
- Sage's Constancy, Trust in Virtue; I-Ching: H3 - Initial Difficulties;
Tetra: 4 - Barrier]
Male Idea: #216 has 0 Categories:
Female Idea: #250 has 15 Categories: #4, #200, #6, #40 = The south (as
bright); south wind; #10, #40, #200 = To change, alter; to be high; #10,
#200, #40 = To be high; #40, #2, #8, #200 = The choice, choicest; #40,
#2, #200, #8 = Flight; fugitive; #40, #4, #6, #200 = Dwelling, abode;
#40, #6, #200, #4 = Descent, declivity; a hanging, festoon; #40, #8,
#200, #2 = A victim; #40, #9, #200, #1 = A keep, dungeon; aim or mark
(in shooting); #40, #200, #6, #4 = Wandering; a fleeing or flight; #40,
#200, #8, #2 = Wide or broad place, breadth; relief or enlargement; #40,
#200, #10 = Contradiction or protest; perverseness; a rebel; #50, #100,
#100 = To pierce or cleave open; #50, #200 = A light or lamp;
English Words: adorer; amiss; backdrop; bloodline; chiseler; chrism;
debatable; faceless; filet; leghorn; meet; mete; mimosa; moor; parlance;
peacekeeping; periodic; rains; room; sacrilege; sander; semifinal;
smirch; sneer; solo; speeding; teem
Jesus is your opportunity to show God why He should bother with you.
@memeBrain [Telos: #8447, Super: #64 - Consider the Small and
Insignificant; I-Ching: H52 - Inaction; Tetra: 71 - Stoppage, Ego: #23 -
Constancy of Guiding Concepts, Emptiness & Non-Existence; I-Ching: H18 -
Arresting Decay; Tetra: 26 - Endeavor]
Male Idea: #280 has 19 Categories: #5, #70, #200, #5 = To make naked, to
uncover or expose; #30, #40, #70, #30, #5, #5, #80, #20 = To turn right
over; #5, #200, #10, #60, #5 = A tearing down, a ruin; #10, #70, #200 =
To sprout, flourish; a luxuriant spot, a brake, thicket, wood, forest;
wild honey; #10, #200, #70 = To tremble, to shake; #20, #200, #20, #40 =
The crocus, saffron; #40, #40, #200 = Bitterness or sorrow; #40, #50,
#70, #50, #70 = Rattle or cymbal; #50, #20, #200, #10 = Unknown, alien
or foreign; another; strange, marvellous; #60, #20, #200 = To shut up;
#60, #20, #200 = To hire; #60, #200, #20 = Chief officer or president;
#70, #10, #200 = A city; #70, #10, #200 = Heat; anger; #70, #10, #200 =
Watcher (used for angels); #70, #10, #200 = Suckling, a young ass, a
foal or colt; #70, #200, #6, #4 = A wild ass; #70, #200, #10 = n. Watchful;
English Words: accordion; adept; balletic; brokerage; chancellor;
coercion; edginess; fillet; flipper; goddess; heating; iceboat; ignite;
inapplicable; look-see; malted; missal; object; offbeat; opener;
paradise; pita; poor; rapeseed; reopen; ridgepole; slander; spades
Female Idea: #273 has 13 Categories: #1, #200, #2, #70 = Four, fourth;
#7, #70, #200, #1 = n. A Brand; #3, #10, #40, #9, #200, #10, #1 =
Gematria (Greek: gamma-rho-alpha-mu-mu-alpha-tau-epsilon-iota-alpha =
501); #3, #70, #200 = To cry out, call out at, scold, rebuke; #3, #200,
#70 = To tear, cut off; curtail, restrain, limit, avert (the eyes); to
swallow (water); to drink up; #8, #60, #200, #5 = n. Neediness; #60, #8,
#200, #5 = Traffic; merchants; #60, #8, #200, #5 = A shield; #30, #10,
#70, #40, #10, #40, #70, #3 = Calves of the peoples (tribes following
leaders); #70, #3, #200 = To cry or make a shrill sound, to twitter or
chatter; #70, #200, #3 = To cry or call, to bray or low; to long or
pant; #70, #200, #3 = To arrange or lay out;
English Words: bigness; bloodshed; bookbinding; botch; carillon;
compeer; crankcase; dingbat; disinclined; farseeing; foolish; grapple;
hands-on; indoor; infect; jabot; jardiniere; josher; kingship;
lightfaced; memorable; officialism; off-ramp; oregano; rhomboid;
roadside; searching; single-handed; sorehead; teenage; tie-in
(ru) dolf: "I'm about to enjoy a cup of Hernandez best of house, coffee
which I obtained especially from the Spanish cafe at Kings Cross (it
reminds me of Dutch Bruin cafes and coffee merchants) to coincide with
the Royal visit which had last occurred 21 years ago. The owner of the
cafe was invited to attend and their coffee machine is a BOEMA...
And drink to their health."
Linda Freeman (lfreemanli...@webtv.net): "The Trinity, okay, now
we're past that! Jesus said if you believe me you are one with me and
one with the Father.
The Trinity is no longer a Trinity but a U N I T Y!--"[Just so,] when
mankind (male and female) ate the apple, they gain knowledge of
opposites. ADAM AND EVE HAVE THROWN THEMSELVES OUT OF THE GARDEN OF
TIMELESS UNITY, JUST BY THE ACT OF RECOGNIZING DUALITY."
(ru) dolf: "Only if its illogical orthodox religious crap: Of special
interest, though, has been the circumstance in which a[n incommensurate]
complex structure at the conceptual level [of bi-polar duality]--say, a
pair of constituent elements and the relation between them--is expressed
by a unitary syntactic constituent, such as by a single [causative]
clause. Such telescoped representation was termed 'conflation'. Such
conflation [or marriage] of a complex conceptual structure into a single
clause occurs extensively in the representation of the Motion situation
and of the causative situation." [Talmy, Vol I 2000:11]
Ken [Cyberstalker] Kellogg (flak...@aol.com): "[Its a]n anxiety
disorder characterized by uncontrollable, unwanted thoughts and
repetitive, ritualized behaviors you feel compelled to perform. If you
have OCD, you probably recognize that your obsessive thoughts and
compulsive behaviors are irrational – but even so, you feel unable to
resist them and break free.
Like a needle getting stuck on an old record, obsessive-compulsive
disorder (OCD) causes the brain to get stuck on a particular thought or
urge.
(Like always having to be the last person to post in the same thread)."
(ru) dolf: "Oh you've met Carl McCluskey then!"
Ken [Cyberstalker] Kellogg (flak...@aol.com): "While Chung may still
technically be a doctor, he has no real practice and no admitting
privileges. His psychological problems and accompanying delusions have
caused him to become a complete failure as a human being not to mention
being a spamming fuckwit.
Chung has collected many awards
Kook of the Month, (06/06)
Coward of the Month, (10/06)
Coward of the Month, (11/06)
Coward of the Month, (12/06)
Coward of the Month, (11/07)
Looney Maroon Award, (06/06) and a slew of others."
(ru) dolf: "And Michael Jackson doesn't do Thriller... hahaha!"
Linda Freeman (lfreemanli...@webtv.net): "What's important is
that you should be able to tell from the fruits of Christianity that as
of today, it really hasn't panned out. It has waxed and waned like a
leaf swaying in the wind.
Why? Because mankind continues to be afraid to step outside of tradition.
Nothing can cover the message of Jesus. Not even the writings of Paul or
the Old Testament Jews or anybody else.
God is a good guy! Why can't you understand that? What didn't sound good
about Him is the ideas that people came up with.
He wouldn't be responsible for the murder, starvation, disease, war,
etc., that He has been held responsible for. We are primitive and we
came up with that stuff!
Does it have to be a babe to convince you of what is soo simple to
understand?
I am walking with a Christian Discuss group now that is in sore need of
a lesson in philosophy and religious philosophy so that they may
understand how philosophy has played a part in the evolution of mans'
thinking.
If someone were to put something together and post it here I could share
it with my group. Perhaps it would serve to elevate their understanding
so that they could see the concreteness of the core message of the Bible
instead of making idols of the ignorant ideas of primitive men. I would
be ever so grateful!"
"When we presume to interpret G-d's intentions rather than adhere to the
letter of His Law, we lose our place in Paradise, we kill our brother,
and we and our families are swallowed up alive by the world around us.
What was the rebellion of Korach {baldness; ice; frost} all about?
A simple reading of the Parsha indicates that Korach and his supporters
challenged the leadership of Moshe {taken out; drawn forth} and Aharon
{a teacher; lofty; mountain of strength}. As a first cousin to Moshe and
Aharon, and sharing the same Yichus - lineage, Korach felt that he had
equal claim on the leadership of the nation. The 250 men from the tribe
of Reuven {who sees the son; the vision of the son} who joined with
Korach also felt that the designation of Aharon's family as Kohanim was
based on nepotism, and decided to join Korach in bringing the issue to a
head. However, the story is far more complex.
The conflict between Korach and Moshe was, and is, fundamental to
understanding our relationship with Hashem and His Torah." [Copyright ©
1998 by Rabbi Aron Tendler and Project Genesis, Inc. He is Rabbi of
Shaarey Zedek Congregation, Valley Village, California]
Today 2009.6.27 I went to the Chinese Gardens and gave them a copy of my
virtual cube--we discussed the possibility that as a paradigm of empire,
it ought to be possible to overly and orient the virtual Cube in a
similar manner and then observe the phenomenal events in the garden
accordingly.
I had to pick up a newspaper which someone had left as litter by the
Rock Forest and the Tale of 'Ashima and the Landlord.'
"So spoke they to the king of Assyria {who is happy; or walks; or
looks}, saying: 'The nations who you have removed and placed in the
cities of Samaria {watch-mountain} do not know the rituals of the God of
the land; therefore he has sent lions among them, and indeed, they are
killing them because they do not know the rituals of the God of the land.
Then the king of Assyria commanded saying, 'Send there one of the
priests who you brought from there; let him go and dwell there, and let
him teach them the rituals of the God of the land.
Then one of the priests whom they had carried away from Samaria came and
dwelt in Bethel {the house of God}, and taught them how they should fear
the LORD.
However every nation continued to make gods of its own, and put them in
the houses of the high places which the Samaritans had made, every
nation in the cities where they dwelt.
The men of Babylon {confusion; mixture} made Succoth Benouth {the tents
of daughters, or young women; or prostitutes}, the men of Cuth {burning}
made Nergel {the great man; the hero}, and the men of Hamath {anger;
heat; a wall} made Ashima {crime; offense}, and the Avites {wicked,
perverse} made Nibhaz {budding; prophesying} and Tartak {chained; bound;
shut up}; and the Sepharvites {the two books; the two scribes} burned
their children in fire to Adrammelech {the cloak, glory, grandeur or
power of the king} and Anammelech {answer; poverty of the king}, the
gods of Sepharvaim.
So they feared the LORD, and from every class they appointed for
themselves priests of the high places , who sacrificed for them in the
shrines of the high places. They feared the LORD, yet served their own
gods--according to the rituals of the nations from among whom they were
carried away." [2 Kings 17:26-33]
Following that I went to the circular void statue, with a plaque dated
28 April 2006 commemorating workers who were either injured on the job
or taken from the day and failed to return home as International Day of
Mourning.
Isn't it barbaric to impale citizens on their national symbols as former
Victorian Premier Stephen Philip (Steve) Bracks and John Thwaites (et
al) as fascists have sought to do--be it an ANZAC Day memorial stone as
idea imported from Egypt or a crucifix? Bad karma I thought, is now
going to come your way on this the Sabbath day and you will never be
forgiven.
Bowing momentarily before the statue to the accompaniment of La
Chicane's Saltwater celtic lyrics...
"Open my eyes
Saltwater rain
Open my eyes
Go on
Come in
Go on
Come in
Cleanse yourself
Go on
Come in
Our lifeforce
Our people's nation/our wild stormy nights
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Open my eyes
Saltwater rain
Open my eyes
No more inside
Saltwater rain
Open my eyes"
I was still listening to this when I came across some skateboarders
doing a competition in a building just off George Street near the
townhall--I stopped momentarily to see what was grasping these monkeys
attention, when I was approached a security guard (a Polynesian Gorilla)
who asked me to move.
I said, I'll do better than that I'll depart.
I had to ask him whether he muttered a curse under his breath--which he
denied.
Before leaving I commented to a youth who was part of the skateboarding
group on how antisocial the skateboarders were--he cursed at me.
I'm still playing the melody an hour later... "And the LORD rejected all
the descendants of Israel {he that sees God; he who prevails with God},
afflicted them, and delivered them into the hand of plunderers, until he
had cast them from his sight. For he tore Israel from the house of David
{well beloved; dear}, and they made Jeroboam {he that opposes the
people} the son of Nebat {that beholds} king. Then Jeroboam drove Israel
from following the LORD, and made them commit a great sin.
For the children of Israel walked in all the sins of Jeroboam which he
did; they did not depart from them, until the LORD removed Israel out of
his sight, as he had said by all his servants the prophets.
So Israel was carried away from their own land to Assyria, as it is to
this day." [2 Kings 17:20-23]
Randy ® [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "Are you disputing the
Carl McCluskey (sai...@nettally.com): "You need psychiatric counseling
for the mental illnesses of which you admitted."
(ru) dolf: "Treason is what treason does! I used that www-page as a
reference on Bill Feuerer ("the Dolt")
And mention the 'Mental Block' on 2009.2.18 in a discussion tread 'The
Truth Behind Leviticus 18:22' in newsgroups: alt.bible,
alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.religion.christian,
alt.religion.christian.baptist, aus.religion.christian
As comment which was applied to me just the other day--wherein I falsely
was accused: "Much like the Dolt, aren't you...twist reality to sooth
your senses...
Correct yourself... But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his
brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and
whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the
council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool {ie. *Dolt* a stupid
person}, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest
that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be
reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Agree with thine adversary quickly, whilst thou art in the way with him;
lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge
deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till
thou hast paid the uttermost farthing--a former monetary unit and coin
of the UK, withdrawn in 1961, equal to a quarter of an old penny."
[Matthew 5:22-26 (KJV)]
Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com.au): "How could God so ACCURATELY predict
the fate of EVERY ATHEIST REGIME, Centuries ago!?!?!!!"
Virgil (vir...@nowhere.com): "Depends on which 'God' or 'Gods' are
alleged to have done so and what evidence that 'gods' followers have of
such prediction."
Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com.au): "Atheists can't answer, real men know,
little boys run away... ;-)"
Virgil (vir...@nowhere.com): "In this respect, both Buddha and Brahma
trump Ya[h]weh."
Linda Freeman (lfreemanli...@webtv.net): "Christian belief
doesn't save Amen bruddah..."
Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com.au): "The One that counts, you poor deluded
moron!"
Linda Freeman (lfreemanli...@webtv.net): "Most of us wish we
could die in our sleep. Not many want to die in pain or face another
plane of existence of which they have not prepared for.
If you do not believe you are immortal, then what a Christian says
shouldn't bother you. Your just gonna die like a animal, right?
If you ask me, from what I've heard, a plane crash is a pretty fast way
to go. You could liken it to being taken, like in the rapture."
(ru) dolf: "I've heard of Yahweh, and of statues to Buddha and Brahma,
but who is Bruddah?"
Virgil (vir...@nowhere.com): "They all count, to their worshippers, but
none of them count otherwise."
Fasgnadh (fasg...@yahoo.com.au): "You snipped it."
Virgil (vir...@nowhere.com): "It wasn't ever there to be snipped. All I
have snipped from fasgnadh's delusional maunderings are some of his less
coherent ones."
Zencycle (abandoned the argument he has lost): "Islam considers every
one who does not follow islam to be a non-believer."
Virgil (vir...@nowhere.com): "No more twaddley than christian delusions."
dolf
>
> The following is part of my auto-rotating sig file
> and not part of the message above.
>
>
> "In America, through pressure of conformity, there
> is freedom of choice, but nothing to choose from."
> -Peter Ustinov
>
(ru) dolf: "Semantics...I've noticed a certain patterned behavior as
C'est la vie!"
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25684659-601,00.html
Michael Christ (Jesus...@Father.com): "Jesus,
vince garcia
the name Immanuel not meaning GOD WITH US, but WITH OUR GOD, which would
give the passage in matthew and isaiah a totally different meaning if
you render it that way.
randy
"Sam Taylor"
> WRONG
> Emanual means "With our G-D" NOT G-D with us.
> that is why the scripture says "No man can call Jesus lord (not LORD)
> except by the Holy Ghost
> there is but 1 LORD (YHWH)
> and many Lords, and lords
The term "Lord" is used commonly for Jesus, as a lord over all men. But the
same term is used for God Almighty, or "YHWH," as you call Him. The idea
employed by the apostles is meant to convey the idea that Jesus' lordship is
from heaven, from deity itself.
The idea of "God dwelling with man" is as old as the Abrahamic Covenant, in
which God promised that He would be Abraham's God, and that Abraham's people
would be His people. In other words, God would dwell with Abraham's
descendants forever.
randy
guardian Snow
>
> > > > > > > > This is because you follow Paul and not Yehoshua the Messiah of
> > > > Yahweh.
>
> > > > > > > No that is because you have been deceived and teach a false doctrine.
> > > > > > > I follow the WHOLE BIBLE and if I used Hebrew/Greek I follow that
> > > > > > > tongue, which you only play with, again you are a liar!
>
> > > > > > If you followed the WHOLE BIBLE then the issues of GUARDING THE
> > > > > > COMMANDMENTS would be top of your list.
>
> > > > > > except One â?" Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
> > > > > > commands.â?
>
> > > > > > Since of course we both know that Yehoshua told you to guard the
> > > > > > commandments, which of course means that you would love Yahweh by
> > > > > > keeping those commandments and topping that list would be to have no
> > > > > > other Elohim before him and not bringing his name to naught.
>
> > > > > > > > Had you followed the Messiah:
>
> > > > > > > the Father is by Jesus Christ, and the Angels called Jesus "God with
> > > > > > > us" which you deny and mock.
>
> > > > Â Â Â Â Emanual means "With our G-D" NOT G-D with us.
> > > > that is why the scripture says "No man can call Jesus lord (not LORD)
> > > > except by the Holy Ghost
> > > > there is but 1 LORD (YHWH)
> > > > and many Lords, and lords
> > > > like the British house of Lords is not talking about a bunch of G-D;s
>
> > > So this is another case of all the Bibles are wrong, and we need you to
> > > correct us, eh?
>
> > > Perhaps you could tell us your qualifications as a textual critic? What
> > > degrees in greek and hebrew do you have, and when/where did you get
> > > them?
>
> > You are the one who doesn't believe his own PREFACE where the name is
> > written.
>
> > YHWH may not be a name you know but it's in the preface if you ever
> > read it.
>
> Can you not read? The argument isn't about YHWH; it's his claim about
> the name Immanuel not meaning GOD WITH US, but WITH OUR GOD, which would
> give the passage in matthew and isaiah a totally different meaning if
> you render it that way.
Sorry but I just ignore complete ignorance. Shame your unable to read
the preface still.
vince garcia
>
> On Jun 27, 9:19 pm, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > guardian Snow wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > This is because you follow Paul and not Yehoshua the Messiah of
> > > > > Yahweh.
> >
> > > > > > > > No that is because you have been deceived and teach a false doctrine.
> > > > > > > > I follow the WHOLE BIBLE and if I used Hebrew/Greek I follow that
> > > > > > > > tongue, which you only play with, again you are a liar!
> >
> > > > > > > If you followed the WHOLE BIBLE then the issues of GUARDING THE
> > > > > > > COMMANDMENTS would be top of your list.
> >
> > > > > > > except One â?" Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
> > > > > > > commands.â?
> >
> > > > > > > Since of course we both know that Yehoshua told you to guard the
> > > > > > > commandments, which of course means that you would love Yahweh by
> > > > > > > keeping those commandments and topping that list would be to have no
> > > > > > > other Elohim before him and not bringing his name to naught.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Had you followed the Messiah:
> >
> > > > > > > > the Father is by Jesus Christ, and the Angels called Jesus "God with
> > > > > > > > us" which you deny and mock.
> >
> > > > > � � � � Emanual means "With our G-D" NOT G-D with us.
> > > > > that is why the scripture says "No man can call Jesus lord (not LORD)
> > > > > except by the Holy Ghost
> > > > > there is but 1 LORD (YHWH)
> > > > > and many Lords, and lords
> > > > > like the British house of Lords is not talking about a bunch of G-D;s
> >
> > > > So this is another case of all the Bibles are wrong, and we need you to
> > > > correct us, eh?
> >
> > > > Perhaps you could tell us your qualifications as a textual critic? What
> > > > degrees in greek and hebrew do you have, and when/where did you get
> > > > them?
> >
> > > You are the one who doesn't believe his own PREFACE where the name is
> > > written.
> >
> > > YHWH may not be a name you know but it's in the preface if you ever
> > > read it.
> >
> > Can you not read? The argument isn't about YHWH; it's his claim about
> > the name Immanuel not meaning GOD WITH US, but WITH OUR GOD, which would
> > give the passage in matthew and isaiah a totally different meaning if
> > you render it that way.
>
> Sorry but I just ignore complete ignorance.
Then ignore yourself
Shame your unable to read
> the preface still.
dude: this is the sum total of what the guy said to MY post:
WRONG
Emanual means "With our G-D" NOT G-D with us.
that is why the scripture says "No man can call Jesus lord (not LORD)
except by the Holy Ghost
there is but 1 LORD (YHWH)
and many Lords, and lords
I responded to THAT point about immanuel, because that is the basis of
the rest of his statement, and what is manifestly wrong. So if anyone
can't read and is ignorant, it's YOU.
Shall, i assume you also believe Immanuel means WITH OUR GOD? BAd as the
rest of your belisf are, I don't put it past you
duke
wrote:
>On Jun 27, 9:19�pm, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> guardian Snow wrote:
>>
>> > On Jun 27, 11:32� am, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > > > This is because you follow Paul and not Yehoshua the Messiah of
>> > > > Yahweh.
>>
>> > > > > > > No that is because you have been deceived and teach a false doctrine.
>> > > > > > > I follow the WHOLE BIBLE and if I used Hebrew/Greek I follow that
>> > > > > > > tongue, which you only play with, again you are a liar!
>>
>> > > > > > If you followed the WHOLE BIBLE then the issues of GUARDING THE
>> > > > > > COMMANDMENTS would be top of your list.
>>
>> > > > > > Mat 19:17 And He said to him, â?oWhy do you call Me good? No one is good
>> > > > > > except One â?" Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
>> > > > > > commands.â?
>>
>> > > > > > Since of course we both know that Yehoshua told you to guard the
>> > > > > > commandments, which of course means that you would love Yahweh by
>> > > > > > keeping those commandments and topping that list would be to have no
>> > > > > > other Elohim before him and not bringing his name to naught.
>>
>> > > > > > > > Had you followed the Messiah:
>>
>> > > > > > > More like when will you follower JESUS the Messiah? � The only way to
>> > > > > > > the Father is by Jesus Christ, and the Angels called Jesus "God with
>> > > > > > > us" which you deny and mock.
>>
>> > > > � �� �� �� WRONG
>> > > > � �� �� �� �Emanual means "With our G-D" NOT G-D with us.
>> > > > that is why the scripture says "No man can call Jesus lord (not LORD)
>> > > > except by the Holy Ghost
>> > > > there is but 1 LORD (YHWH)
>> > > > and many Lords, and lords
>> > > > like the British house of Lords is not talking about a bunch of G-D;s
>>
>> > > So this is another case of all the Bibles are wrong, and we need you to
>> > > correct us, eh?
>>
>> > > Perhaps you could tell us your qualifications as a textual critic? What
>> > > degrees in greek and hebrew do you have, and when/where did you get
>> > > them?
>>
>> > You are the one who doesn't believe his own PREFACE where the name is
>> > written.
>>
>> > YHWH may not be a name you know but it's in the preface if you ever
>> > read it.
>>
>> Can you not read? The argument isn't about YHWH; it's his claim about
>> the name Immanuel not meaning GOD WITH US, but WITH OUR GOD, which would
>> give the passage in matthew and isaiah a totally different meaning if
>> you render it that way.
>
>Sorry but I just ignore complete ignorance. Shame your unable to read
>the preface still.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05404a.htm
Emmanuel
Emmanual (Septuagint Emmanouel; A.V., Immanuel) signifies "God with us" (Matthew
1:23), and is the name of the child predicted in Isaiah 7:14: "Behold a virgin
shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel".
Snow, millions of man hours of research by the Christian faith over the last
2000 years confirms that "God with us" is a true translation.
The Dukester, American-American
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guardian Snow
> Emmanuel
> Emmanual (Septuagint Emmanouel; A.V., Immanuel) signifies "God with us" (Matthew
> 1:23), and is the name of the child predicted in Isaiah 7:14: "Behold a virgin
> shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel".
>
> Snow, millions of man hours of research by the Christian faith over the last
> 2000 years confirms that "God with us" is a true translation.
Mat 1:23 “See, a maiden shall conceive, and she shall give birth to a
Son, and they shall call His Name Immanu’ĕl,” which translated, means,
“Ěl with us.”
I don't think you understood the post. Your issue is with Vince, not
me. I simply told him he needs to read the preface of his
scriptures. Ultimately my point is speaking of spiritual vs. carnal
worship in that we are told to worship in the spirit.
Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
in spirit and truth.”
Joh 5:37 “And the Father who sent Me, He bore witness of Me. You have
neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
Thanks for sharing with me brother Duke:)
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walksalone
> On Jun 27, 9:19�pm, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> guardian Snow wrote:
>>
>> > On Jun 27, 11:32� am, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com>
>> > wrote:
Through but not to snow. The poor lad has to bury in a hurry before
anybody notices how many errors he makes continuously.
Snip
>> > > Perhaps you could tell us your qualifications as a textual
>> > > critic? Wh
> at
>> > > degrees in greek and hebrew do you have, and when/where did you
>> > > get them?
>>
The same place as many others. A box of Cracker Jacks.
> You are the one who doesn't believe his own PREFACE where the name
>> > is written.
>>
>> > YHWH may not be a name you know but it's in the preface if you ever
>> > read it.
>>
>> Can you not read? The argument isn't about YHWH; it's his claim about
>> the name Immanuel not meaning GOD WITH US, but WITH OUR GOD, which
>> would give the passage in matthew and isaiah a totally different
>> meaning if you render it that way.
>
> Sorry but I just ignore complete ignorance. Shame your unable to read
> the preface still.
Talk about unintentional irony. Quite possibly more the most ignorant
people posting in the xian newsgroups for quite some time, accusing
somebody else of his most stellar asset. Ignorance. But one can't
expect too much from the individual who posted the following, and cannot
defend it.
walksalone who has heard the phrase, when hell freezes over. Anyone want
to make a bet on hell freezing over if smell attempts to justify his
prior positions, or even simply the one above without using "Bible"
quotes that are taken out of context?
* Anon
"The worst thing you can do to a dogma is give it an empire."
walksalone
> On Jun 28, 11:24 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
How quaint, two trolls having a stroking session.
Through but not too snow, the concepts will continue to elude him.
Snip first multiple quote mining session.
> Mat 1:23 “See, a maiden shall conceive, and she shall give birth to
> a Son, and they shall call His Name Immanu’ĕl,” which translated,
> means, “Ěl with us.”
>
> I don't think you understood the post. Your issue is with Vince, not
> me. I simply told him he needs to read the preface of his
It simply does not matter what you have told someone else when you
yourself do not understand the Scripture you are trying to manipulate for
your advantage. This is the only instance of Matthew quoting the 70.
That raises red flags for people that want to know instead of people that
want their egos stroked.
> scriptures. Ultimately my point is speaking of spiritual vs. carnal
> worship in that we are told to worship in the spirit.
Apparently, you're told many things that are not told to others. But of
course with your confusion about the names of god, versus the name of the
god you adore according to your postings, one does not anticipate much in
the way of accuracy from you. The ruah is not mentioned, which is good
because the ruah of the big customers is not the same as the one of the
Hebrew Bible.
> Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to
> worship in spirit and truth.”
That's not what it says, but it's what you believe it should say.
> Joh 5:37 “And the Father who sent Me, He bore witness of Me. You
> have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
Except for Enoch, a personal consort of the god �l but not yahweh, then
Ezekiel who again was not a consort of yahweh, along with Moses and the
seventy elders. Apparently your favorite unknown author of the fourth
Gospel was unfamiliar with the Hebrew Bible. So why should he be, he was
writing in support of an existing community, the founding and foundling
xian community which did not come into notice of the Roman empire and its
population until after the death of its founding member of the
apparently, like Romulus and Hercules, was a figment of the popular
imagination.
> Thanks for sharing with me brother Duke:)
Next time, get a motel. It's a xian thing to do.
Snip advertising for gossip group.
Now let's see, if you want to hear the information you supposedly have
with the group. Information on the following subject of course.
walksalone who doubts this no to even begin to conceptualize a response
that makes sense on any level except his personal emotional commitment.
But after all, he's on a mission from Glod, without Glod's permission of
course. He may be a dwarf, but he does have some standards as it did
establish beyond reasonable doubt when you read his story. Available at
all fine bookstores near you.
Humanity's first sin was faith; the first virtue was doubt.
duke
wrote:
>On Jun 28, 11:24�pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Emmanuel
>> Emmanual (Septuagint Emmanouel; A.V., Immanuel) signifies "God with us" (Matthew
>> 1:23), and is the name of the child predicted in Isaiah 7:14: "Behold a virgin
>> shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel".
>>
>> Snow, millions of man hours of research by the Christian faith over the last
>> 2000 years confirms that "God with us" is a true translation.
>
>Mat 1:23 �See, a maiden shall conceive, and she shall give birth to a
>Son, and they shall call His Name Immanu�?l,� which translated, means,
>�?l with us.�
>
>I don't think you understood the post. Your issue is with Vince, not
>me. I simply told him he needs to read the preface of his
>scriptures. Ultimately my point is speaking of spiritual vs. carnal
>worship in that we are told to worship in the spirit.
>
>Joh 4:24 �Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
>in spirit and truth.�
>
>Joh 5:37 �And the Father who sent Me, He bore witness of Me. You have
>neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
>
>Thanks for sharing with me brother Duke:)
You're welcome.
guardian Snow
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:05:20 -0700 (PDT), guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Jun 28, 11:24 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >> Emmanuel
> >> Emmanual (Septuagint Emmanouel; A.V., Immanuel) signifies "God with us" (Matthew
> >> 1:23), and is the name of the child predicted in Isaiah 7:14: "Behold a virgin
> >> shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel".
>
> >> Snow, millions of man hours of research by the Christian faith over the last
> >> 2000 years confirms that "God with us" is a true translation.
>
> >Mat 1:23 “See, a maiden shall conceive, and she shall give birth to a
> >Son, and they shall call His Name Immanu’?l,” which translated, means,
> >“?l with us.”
>
> >I don't think you understood the post. Your issue is with Vince, not
> >me. I simply told him he needs to read the preface of his
> >scriptures. Ultimately my point is speaking of spiritual vs. carnal
> >worship in that we are told to worship in the spirit.
>
> >Joh 4:24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship
> >in spirit and truth.”
>
> >Joh 5:37 “And the Father who sent Me, He bore witness of Me. You have
> >neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
>
> >Thanks for sharing with me brother Duke:)
>
> You're welcome.
We have different understandings but that never takes away from the
fact that you are my brother. I'm working on my next major post with
you in mind Duke. Your in my prayers, take care and be blessed.
walksalone
> On Jun 29, 10:32�pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:05:20 -0700 (PDT), guardian Snow
>> <snowpheo...@eck.
> net.au>
>> wrote:
>> >On Jun 28, 11:24�pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
For snow, but avoided by snow.
>> You're welcome.
> We have different understandings but that never takes away from the
> fact that you are my brother. I'm working on my next major post with
> you in mind Duke. Your in my prayers, take care and be blessed.
Isn't that sweet, can you get a motel room next time?
But this is you, & as the audience knows, you can't do anything to
support your claims. Typical of usenet blowhards.
walksalone who is not so sure that snow understands that he, like
everyone else, is expected to back his claims. But he can't, he doesn't
know what they are.
The only difference between God and Adolf Hitler is that God is more
proficient at genocide."
Author unkown to me.
guardian Snow
> guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote innews:76ca9133-459b-42ef...@g1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Jun 29, 10:32 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:05:20 -0700 (PDT), guardian Snow
> >> <snowpheo...@eck.
> > net.au>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Jun 28, 11:24 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> For snow, but avoided by snow.
>
> >> You're welcome.
> > We have different understandings but that never takes away from the
> > fact that you are my brother. I'm working on my next major post with
> > you in mind Duke. Your in my prayers, take care and be blessed.
>
> Isn't that sweet, can you get a motel room next time?
>
> But this is you, & as the audience knows, you can't do anything to
> support your claims. Typical of usenet blowhards.
Poor angry boy:(
> To wit: the title of this thread you introduced & crossposted in
> order to impress yourself.
>
> There is no battle between good & evil, just people like you
> pretending there is.
Of the false council of Lucifer the scriptures says:
Isa 14:26 “This is the counsel that is counselled for all the earth,
and this is the hand that is stretched out over all the nations.
Isa 14:27 “For Yahweh of hosts has counselled, and who annuls it? And
His hand that is stretched out, who turns it back?”
Have you ever taken the time to ask, “Why would Yahweh purpose upon
all the earth, false council that sets the nations in opposition?
Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
persecuting you,
I believe that Yahweh understands exactly what it is that makes men
tick being our creator. He understands that people post for the sake
of Strife and not really love of YHWH.
Mat 12:7 “And if you had known what this means, ‘I desire compassion
and not offering,’ you would not have condemned the blameless.
Hos 6:6 “For I delight in kindness and not slaughtering, and in the
knowledge of Elohim more than burnt offerings.
The wheels of opposition are placed into the very workings of the
scriptures because it has motivated us to search out every word
written because we desire to prove ourselves and our understanding. I
have come to understand that “Day Star” fallen from heaven is Apostle
Paul and that he is in fact a “chosen vessel” just as Christians
believe but not for the reason that they should understand outright.
Isa 45:7 forming light and creating darkness, making peace and
creating evil. I, Yahweh, do all these.’
Joh 3:19 “And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the
world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light, for their
works were wicked. 20 “For everyone who is practicing evil matters
hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should
be exposed. 21 “But the one doing the truth comes to the light, so
that his works are clearly seen, that they have been wrought in
Elohim.”
The uniformity and purpose of all scriptures is a motivation for us to
learn. Apostle Paul came to destroy and to place men in strife, to
make prisoners and those who love him love the darkness of a self
righteous doctrine. Always, Yahweh has tested his people and refined
us in the fire of the furnace.
Deu 13:3 do not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of
dreams, for Yahweh your Elohim is trying you to know whether you love
Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your being.
Deu 4:20 “But Yahweh has taken you and brought you out of the iron
furnace, out of Mitsrayim, to be His people, an inheritance, as it is
today.
Luke was trying to tell his readers something that nobody catches on
to.
Act 23:6 Now Sha’ul, perceiving that one part were Sadducees and the
other Pharisees, cried out in the council, “Men, brothers, I am a
Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee, I am being judged concerning the
expectation and resurrection of the dead!”
He was on trial for speaking against the Torah but more interesting is
the fact that he was and is wrong about the resurrection and this is
something that nobody reconciles.
Rom 14:9 For unto this Messiah died and rose and lived again, to rule
over both the dead and the living.
Wrong:
Mar 12:27 “He is not the Elohim of the dead, but Elohim of the living.
You, then, go greatly astray.”
If we consider the motivation of this passage, “perceiving that one
part were Sadducees”, Paul was speaking on the topic that created the
most strife between the two factions and the fruit of his
pronouncement:
Act 23:7 And when he had said this, there came a dissension between
the Pharisees and the Sadducees. And the crowd was divided.
Looking at the modern Church, we see that even unto this very date,
they are divided into dozens of major denominations. Paul’s doctrine
is and has been since the beginning to divide the church of our
Messiah. It’s worked very effectively for over 1700 years now since
his doctrine was included in the Roman canon.
Mar 3:25 “And if a house is divided against itself, that house is
unable to stand.
Paul knew all too well that the best way to destroy the church that he
hated so much wasn’t to make more martyr’s, which he tried to start
with when he murdered Stephen by his false witness. He figured out
that if he faked a conversion and joined the ranks, he would be the
Trojan horse.
To this date, men argue over the words of Paul, the majority say that
he was inspired to do away with the Torah. Some of my more faithful
brothers say that he was for the Torah. My brother in Messiah tells
me, “There is no need to tackle the many problems with the letters of
Paul; just ACNOWLEDGE that they too have been corrupted, twisted and
mystified by the Jewish Scribes and the Christian Translators”
They are looking for a translation of scriptures that doesn’t exist.
The reality of today is that Paul speaks out of both sides of his
mouth so that the end result is strife. He saw our division and by
cleaver wording, speaks against and for the Torah in the same
chapters. Those who look for the doctrine to support the doctrine
find it:
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through the belief? Let it not
be! On the contrary, we establish the Torah.
Those who look for evidence the law is abolished find it:
1Co 6:12 All is permitted me, but not all do profit. All is permitted
me, but I shall not be under authority of any.
Certainly if all things are permitted to us, then the law is abolished
and so, we end up in never ending arguments over whether or not Paul
is for or against the Torah. My brother went on to say, “Repair and
Restore! Weigh all testimony in the Torah. If the testimony speaks
not according to the Torah, throw it out!” Yet, in that very post
they called the works of Paul, “the Torah”.
But the key to understanding all of this division is the fact that
Yahweh himself has purposed Paul upon the churches of the world to
test each and every one of us. My Christian brothers do not desire to
see this strife and instead have chosen to become a part of it. I
should be clear, I am not against Apostle Paul, I understand what he
teaches us.
Isa 45:9 “Woe to him who strives with his Maker! (a potsherd with the
potsherds of the earth). Does clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are
you making?’ Or your handiwork say, ‘He has no hands’?
Isa 45:10 “Woe to him who says to his father, ‘What are you bringing
forth?’ Or to the woman, ‘What are you labouring over?’ ”
Why we are to “love our enemy” is that in the end, our enemy is our
greatest motivator. Yet, in the end we find that we have no need to
“wrestle evil spirits” because the deepest truth to learn is that
there is only EL,
Isa 45:15 Truly You are Ěl, who hide Yourself, O Elohim of Yisra’ĕl,
Saviour!
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that city, shake off the dust from your feet as a witness against
them.” 6 And going out they went through the villages, bringing the
Good News and healing everywhere.
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Some people lie and demand the truth
I gotta ask myself if it's soul deception
Is this the natural thing that we all just do
We take such pleasure from pain,
I'm just tired of playing that game
Some things you've got to change
Chorus:
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Stand and deliver, just give me something to hold
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> On Jun 30, 11:37 am, walksalone <spamstop...@nerdshack.com> wrote:
>> guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote
>> innews:76ca9133-459b-42ef-8b
> 39-621f...@g1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > On Jun 29, 10:32 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:05:20 -0700 (PDT), guardian Snow
>> >> <snowpheo...@eck.
>> > net.au>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On Jun 28, 11:24 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
snip
>> But this is you, & as the audience knows, you can't do anything to
>> support your claims. Typical of usenet blowhards.
>
> Poor angry boy:(
You may well be, I have no reason to be. But then, I'm not trying to
convince everyone else they are wrong. & yet, based on what I know &
have observed, they are. Adults don't need to try & control others in any
way.
>> To wit: the title of this thread you introduced & crossposted in
>> order to impress yourself.
>>
>> There is no battle between good & evil, just people like you
>> pretending there is.
>
> Of the false council of Lucifer the scriptures says:
Snip Hebrew Bible quote takenm out of context in an attenmpt to puff up
his standing as a "man in the know".
> Have you ever taken the time to ask, “Why would Yahweh purpose upon
> all the earth, false council that sets the nations in opposition?
Have you ever taken the time to folloew the evolution of the gods of the
ANE, & yahweh? Apparently not.
> Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
> you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
> persecuting you,
So Matthais, like Luke is the justification for trying to control & abuse
those that notice, your emperor is whithout clothes?
I have a wallpaper, for you, that is a picture one can put on a computer
monitor.
It reads Love your enemy, & the picture, a BUFF, a B-52 bomber with the
ordinace it can carry on display on front of it.
I can't hear what you say if you are screeching, nor can I see the good
of your works when they are not there.
> I believe that Yahweh understands exactly what it is that makes men
> tick being our creator. He understands that people post for the sake
If he is your creator, fine. But he is not mine. Just because you are
greedy self centered does not obligate anyone else to follow you over teh
cliff.
Read up on another failed mesiah, this time one history records.
Moses of Crete.
He too failed the messianic requirements. In a spectacular way.
> of Strife and not really love of YHWH.
Does he, then why do you do it?
> Mat 12:7 “And if you had known what this means, ‘I desire
> compassion and not offering,’ you would not have condemned the
> blameless. Hos 6:6 “For I delight in kindness and not slaughtering,
> and in the knowledge of Elohim more than burnt offerings.
That is not the yahweh of the Torah, so which yahweh is it? When did
this yahweh show up, other than after the Babylonian vacation that is? I
know, but do you?
> The wheels of opposition are placed into the very workings of the
> scriptures because it has motivated us to search out every word
No, not really. What it does is excuse people like you when they wish to
intrude on others. It justifies your boorish habits & laziness of
thought. But then, life is not dfor everyone.
> written because we desire to prove ourselves and our understanding. I
You speak for me & the rest of the world? Fancy that. You don't. Nor
is your uninformed opinion worth the weight in gold of a bunnyip fart.
> have come to understand that “Day Star” fallen from heaven is
> Apostle Paul and that he is in fact a “chosen vessel” just as
Stars do not fall from the heavens. Various objets do, & without those
fallen celestial objects, there could be no life on earth as we know it.
you still have the problem of reading ion context & understanding why the
hyperbole was used. Hint, it still impresses people that are n ot in
the know.
> Christians believe but not for the reason that they should understand
> outright.
& of course, of the 2 billion+ xians [they breed fast], only you & a very
few others know this obvious truth? I don't believe you.
> Isa 45:7 forming light and creating darkness, making peace and
> creating evil. I, Yahweh, do all these.’
Which makes him one evil bastard, but you can't accept that.
snip just another olut of context Greek Testament quote.
> The uniformity and purpose of all scriptures is a motivation for us to
If they were uniform, they would not need clowns like you telling evryone
else that they are wrong & you alone are right. There would be no
obvvious conflicts for anyone to find. They would be historically
accurate, but they aren't, & conflicts abound. They wiould celeb rate
life, & they don't. Are yolu sure yolu have read the thing, or did you
take the $0.02 Aus, correspondence course?
> learn. Apostle Paul came to destroy and to place men in strife, to
> make prisoners and those who love him love the darkness of a self
> righteous doctrine. Always, Yahweh has tested his people and refined
> us in the fire of the furnace.
According to you, but you are already in the unenviable position of being
a lair & false teacher.
> Deu 13:3 do not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of
> dreams, for Yahweh your Elohim is trying you to know whether you love
> Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your being.
Now, whyt would a god, an all seeing god that knows everything, need or
want to do that?
> Deu 4:20 “But Yahweh has taken you and brought you out of the iron
> furnace, out of Mitsrayim, to be His people, an inheritance, as it is
> today.
An inheritance indictes there is someone to inherit from. In the case of
yahwah IAW the Hebrew Bible, there is. �l. But you can't know that.
Let me refresh the audiences memory.
Deuteronomy 32:8-9
When the Most High (Elyon) allotted peoples for inheritance,
When He divided up humanity,
He fixed the boundaries for peoples,
According to the number of the divine sons;
For Yahweh's portion is his people,
Jacob His own inheritance.
According to that, Judea was given to yahweh. Fancy that. BTW, the rest
of the chapter indicates yahweh is not a primary god like you like to
pretend.
> Luke was trying to tell his readers something that nobody catches on
> to.
Except you of course, & you are just not the shaprest dull tack in the
box. ever wonder why? Of course not. That might ruin the buzz.
> Act 23:6 Now Sha’ul, perceiving that one part were Sadducees and the
> other Pharisees, cried out in the council, “Men, brothers, I am a
> Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee, I am being judged concerning the
> expectation and resurrection of the dead!”
Pharisses believed in the resurrection. But then, so did your imaginary
fiend.
> He was on trial for speaking against the Torah but more interesting is
> the fact that he was and is wrong about the resurrection and this is
> something that nobody reconciles.
Then there is no reason to follow yahweh.
BTW, under pre-exile Judaic tgheology, there was no resurrection. Just
so you know at least one thing I know.
> Rom 14:9 For unto this Messiah died and rose and lived again, to rule
> over both the dead and the living.
Worked for him.
> Wrong:
Of course it is, fairy tales usually are.
> Mar 12:27 “He is not the Elohim of the dead, but Elohim of the
> living. You, then, go greatly astray.”
Found in a book by unkown author[s][1] circulated in support of the
growing xian community.
[1] Biblical scholars pretty much agree that there is only one author in
each gospel that was cannonized.
> If we consider the motivation of this passage, “perceiving that one
> part were Sadducees”, Paul was speaking on the topic that created
> the most strife between the two factions and the fruit of his
> pronouncement:
Or the text was written in rebuttal of Saul? I go for rebuttal.
> Act 23:7 And when he had said this, there came a dissension between
> the Pharisees and the Sadducees. And the crowd was divided.
There always was dissension between the two subsects. But then, you
avoid history like a sailor avoids hookers known to have the clap.
> Looking at the modern Church, we see that even unto this very date,
> they are divided into dozens of major denominations. Paul’s
> doctrine is and has been since the beginning to divide the church of
> our Messiah. It’s worked very effectively for over 1700 years now
> since his doctrine was included in the Roman canon.
When your text is ambigious, then it allows people like yolu to preten d
they have the right of it. That very fact is one of many indicators that
xikanity is not true in all aspects or even as claimed.
> Mar 3:25 “And if a house is divided against itself, that house is
> unable to stand.
& yet, your messiah came to bring strife, a civil uprising if the times
are to be believed.
> Paul knew all too well that the best way to destroy the church that he
> hated so much wasn’t to make more martyr’s, which he tried to
> start with when he murdered Stephen by his false witness. He figured
> out that if he faked a conversion and joined the ranks, he would be
> the Trojan horse.
According to your uninformed opinion. It could never be he was simpoly
mistaken, but has to be as evil as you when you try to emulate him.
> To this date, men argue over the words of Paul, the majority say that
> he was inspired to do away with the Torah. Some of my more faithful
> brothers say that he was for the Torah. My brother in Messiah tells
> me, “There is no need to tackle the many problems with the letters
> of Paul; just ACNOWLEDGE that they too have been corrupted, twisted
> and mystified by the Jewish Scribes and the Christian Translators”
I don't know of anyone other than whackos, or weowsers in your case, that
would even think otherwise. Especially if the knew much to very little
about the history of the Greek Testaments. BTW, that includes the hebrew
Bible, scribes were not always proficient at their calling. But that is
a different topic.
> They are looking for a translation of scriptures that doesn’t exist.
> The reality of today is that Paul speaks out of both sides of his
> mouth so that the end result is strife. He saw our division and by
He's a xian then?
> cleaver wording, speaks against and for the Torah in the same
> chapters. Those who look for the doctrine to support the doctrine
> find it:
It is rightfully said, that when one reads the antholgy the xians call
the holy bible, one can find anything they want to jsutify their less
than sterling conduct.
> Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through the belief? Let it not
> be! On the contrary, we establish the Torah.
Cute, & only you know what it means. But that is your story & you are
sticking to it.
> Those who look for evidence the law is abolished find it:
Just as those that look for the law continuing fiond that. Strange how
certain requirementgs no longer apply. But it is the law.
> 1Co 6:12 All is permitted me, but not all do profit. All is permitted
> me, but I shall not be under authority of any.
Yup, he was xian according to that passage.
> Certainly if all things are permitted to us, then the law is abolished
Not of necessity, like you, salad bar xians are part & parcel of the
story.
> and so, we end up in never ending arguments over whether or not Paul
> is for or against the Torah. My brother went on to say, “Repair and
> Restore! Weigh all testimony in the Torah. If the testimony speaks
> not according to the Torah, throw it out!” Yet, in that very post
> they called the works of Paul, “the Torah”.
So, they did not agree with them, & no doubt you impressed them with a
hissy fit.
> But the key to understanding all of this division is the fact that
> Yahweh himself has purposed Paul upon the churches of the world to
> test each and every one of us. My Christian brothers do not desire to
Something he would not need tgo do if he was real & as pretended to be by
people like you. Something else you can not consider.
> see this strife and instead have chosen to become a part of it. I
> should be clear, I am not against Apostle Paul, I understand what he
> teaches us.
Apparently not, but your version, yes you understand that.
> Isa 45:9 “Woe to him who strives with his Maker! (a potsherd with
> the potsherds of the earth). Does clay say to him who forms it,
> ‘What are you making?’ Or your handiwork say, ‘He has no
> hands’? Isa 45:10 “Woe to him who says to his father, ‘What are
> you bringing forth?’ Or to the woman, ‘What are you labouring
> over?’ ”
As is typical of the era when the saga was started, this is no more than
kjustification for an an cient xian prionciple.
Might makes right so shut up, sit down, & agree wikth me.
Nope, it does not, but it can generate that opionion on thnose that lack
the will to live life for the joy & sorrow that come with it. Poor pay,
but it beats self-enslavement all hollow.
> Why we are to “love our enemy” is that in the end, our enemy is
> our greatest motivator. Yet, in the end we find that we have no need
> to “wrestle evil spirits” because the deepest truth to learn is
> that there is only EL,
Whho is not yahweh, but that will continue to elude you. Hint, �l is the
god of Abraham, not Moses.
> Isa 45:15 Truly You are Ěl, who hide Yourself, O Elohim of
> Yisra’ĕl, Saviour!
How odd, I can't find that translation in any of the over 100 versions of
the xian anthology. Well, not really. Snow has his own throne room in
the enchanted kingdom. Just ask Tnkerbell for directions.
snip of excess verbosity that might mean something to snow, & ego
stroking advertisment of a forum[?] that he controls.
Now here is something you are an expert on, avoiding backing your claims
with anything but handwaving & hot air,
From: guardian Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au>
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> Were you going to comment and decided not too?
Neither, but that does not concern you. What does concern the
audience is your posturing & speaking of things you are glaringly
ignorant of.
To wit: the title of this thread you introduced & crossposted in
order to impress yourself.
There is no battle between good & evil, just people like you
pretending there is.
Good: an artificial concept used to describe things we want to do,
walksalone who accepts all snow can do is pretend he does not have to
back his claims, just like other blowhards do. But that begs the
question, is he deluded or just another troll.
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the
system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
Claire Wolfe
guardian Snow
The single GREATEST LIE of the false apostle is this one:
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them
that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who
is the figure of him that was to come.
Death did not reign, Son ARE NOT PUT TO DEATH for the sins of the
Fathers.
Eze 18:20 “The being who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the
crookedness of the father, nor the father bear the crookedness of the
son. The righteousness of the righteous is upon himself, and the
wrongness of the wrong is upon himself. 21 “But the wrong, if he
turns from all his sins which he has done, and he shall guard all My
laws, and shall do right-ruling and righteousness, he shall certainly
live, he shall not die. 22 “All the transgressions which he has done
shall NOT be remembered against him – in his righteousness that he has
done, he shall live.
> and as we are all sinners,
Joh 5:14 Afterward Yahushua findeth him in the temple, and said unto
him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come
unto thee.
> day in and day out in what
> we say and what we think, in what we do and what we don't do, It is only by the
> grace of God that any of us are saved from eternal damnation.
I'm obligated to warn you:
Eze 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.
Eze 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness,
and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall
die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin,
and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but
his blood will I require at thine hand.
Forgiveness of sins is not a NT teaching:
Eze 18:27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness
that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he
shall save his soul alive.
Eze 18:28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his
transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall
not die.
I call it compassion of YHWH and your understanding is incorrect by
thinking Grace. Your sins are remembered still.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and YHWH hath
remembered her iniquities.
> Having faith in God mandates we follow the 10 commandments. Your reference to
> Deu 6:4 is the first of all the commandments. And as James 2:26 says, faith
> without works of the heart (deeds) is dead faith.
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to
give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may
have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates
into the city.
This says NOTHING about the cross giving access to the tree of life.
This belief comes ONLY from the false Apostle and all the others say
that life is in guarding the commands of Elohim. I recognize that you
will desire to continue to argue for your false apostle... but you
have not garnered the understanding of the Prophets for as long as you
stay only with the false apostle...
Will you take a moment to listen? I have a lot of respect for you
brother Duke, KNOW THE LAW...
Deu 4:31 (For YHWH thy Elohim is a merciful El;) he will not forsake
thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers
which he sware unto them.
The LAW is COMPASSION.
Mat 23:23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you
tithe the mint and the anise and the cumin, and have neglected the
weightier matters of the Torah: the right-ruling and the compassion
and the belief. These need to have been done, without neglecting the
others.
Paul is a Pharisee that neglected COMPASSION and belief. The Messiah
told you this!
Eze 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have
transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will
ye die, O house of Israel?
Eze 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith
the Master YHWH: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the favorable gift of
Elohim is everlasting life in Messiah YEHOSHUA our Master.
Romans 6:23 fails to take into account the very thing that the Messiah
spoke about… compassion. Are the wages of sin instant death to all
that sin?
Psa 7:11 Elohim is a righteous judge. And Ěl is enraged every day,
Psa 7:12 If one does not repent! He sharpens His sword, He bends His
bow and makes it ready,
Psa 7:13 And He has prepared for Himself instruments of death, He
makes His arrows hot for pursuers.
Psa 7:14 See, he who is bound with wickedness, And has conceived
trouble and brought forth falsehood,
Psa 7:15 He has made a pit and dug it out, And falls into the ditch he
made!
It is YOUR SIN that destroys you, NOT YAHWEH!
EL does not destroy you, you destroy yourself by continuing to sin.
Again Psalm 9:
Psa 9:16 YAHWEH has made Himself known, He has done right-ruling; The
wrong is snared in the work of his own hands. Meditation. Selah. 17
The wrong return to the grave, All the gentiles that forget Elohim.
So all who hate the Torah of life need to understand just how much
compassion you have already been shown!
Deu 13:17 “And none of that which is put under the ban is to cling to
your hand, so that YAHWEH turns from the fierceness of His displeasure
and shall show you compassion, love you and increase you, as He swore
to your fathers,
Deu 13:18 when you obey the voice of YAHWEH your Elohim, to guard all
His commands which I command you today, to do what is right in the
eyes of YAHWEH your Elohim.
Paul wanted to destroy the Church of Yahweh by his own admission.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which (I destroyed), I make
myself a transgressor.
We must first ask our self, “What have we destroyed by listening to
Paul?”
Pro 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and
reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
We are destroying the lamp that leads us, the light within it and the
way to our own life. By his many words Apostle Paul has condemned us
all to be cursed and wants to simply be open to the truth. As we go
into Deuteronomy 28, we find all these curses that have come on each
and every one of us.
If saving your own life isn’t enough then remember that everybody you
love, your family and your friends are all in the same collision with
sin. Your sin doesn’t just destroy you; it affects the life of
everybody you love.
Mic 6:13 “So I also, I shall smite you with a grievous wound, to lay
you waste because of your sins:
Sin is a wound and wounds take time to heal but they must be cleaned
and treated with care. The nature of our relationship with Elohim is
a marriage by blood. If you cheat on somebody you love, they may have
compassion and forgive you but do you want to take that chance?
Deu 11:1 “And you shall love Yahweh your Elohim and guard His Charge:
even His laws, and His right-rulings, and His commands, always.
Do you love Yahweh and his Torah or do you love Paul more?
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love for Elohim, that we guard His commands,
and His commands are not heavy,
Finally, why is false apostle Paul in scriptures.. Why has Yahweh
allowed this lie to continue?
Deu 13:3 do not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of
dreams, for Yahweh your Elohim is trying you to know whether you love
[Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your being.
Your being tested... will you pass?
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"guardian Snow"
"The single GREATEST LIE of the false apostle is this one:
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them
that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who
is the figure of him that was to come.
Death did not reign, Son ARE NOT PUT TO DEATH for the sins of the
Fathers."
That law was designed to protect children from suffering punishments they
were not guilty of. Jesus also was not guilty of the sins he was punished
for. What makes you think God was in favor of it? Rather, what God did was
send His Son into an environment in which He knew wicked men would take the
life of His Son. He could've preserved the life of His Son, but allowed
wicked men to kill His Son, just as He had let many innocent victims suffer
injustice in this world.
God said that He is not in favor of wicked men committing this kind of
injustice. God was not in favor of men murdering and abusing His Son. But
God let it happen, just as He has let injustices take place from the
beginning of time.
When the Scriptures talk about God making His Son a sin sacrifice, they were
talking about God letting His Son suffer injustice. This did not mean that
God was in favor of human sin, injustice, or murder. God was absolutely
opposed to the murder of His Son by wicked men. But in the providence of
God, the suffering of Christ enabled God to forgive men who repent of this
deed, together with all those who do anything at all against the Son of God.
You are terribly mistaken in your view of things.
randy
guardian Snow
> "guardian Snow"
> "The single GREATEST LIE of the false apostle is this one:
> Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them
> that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who
> is the figure of him that was to come.
> Death did not reign, Son ARE NOT PUT TO DEATH for the sins of the
> Fathers."
Mat 22:32 I am the Elohim of Abraham, and the Elohim of Isaac, and the
Elohim of Jacob? Elohim is not the Elohim of the dead, but of the
living.
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob all predate Moses and death DID NOT reign!
Notice that it says, "even over them that had not sinned"! THIS IS A
LIE! The "law" was in place since the beginning!
1Jn 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old
commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is
the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
> That law was designed to protect children from suffering punishments they
> were not guilty of. Jesus also was not guilty of the sins he was punished
> for. What makes you think God was in favor of it? Rather, what God did was
> send His Son into an environment in which He knew wicked men would take the
> life of His Son. He could've preserved the life of His Son, but allowed
> wicked men to kill His Son, just as He had let many innocent victims suffer
> injustice in this world.
>
> God said that He is not in favor of wicked men committing this kind of
> injustice. God was not in favor of men murdering and abusing His Son. But
> God let it happen, just as He has let injustices take place from the
> beginning of time.
>
> When the Scriptures talk about God making His Son a sin sacrifice, they were
> talking about God letting His Son suffer injustice. This did not mean that
> God was in favor of human sin, injustice, or murder. God was absolutely
> opposed to the murder of His Son by wicked men. But in the providence of
> God, the suffering of Christ enabled God to forgive men who repent of this
> deed, together with all those who do anything at all against the Son of God.
> You are terribly mistaken in your view of things.
> randy
I'm talking about forgiveness of sins Randy. Why not read beyond that
first statement and THEN comment after the explanation.
Eze 18:20 “The being who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the
crookedness of the father, nor the father bear the crookedness of the
son. The righteousness of the righteous is upon himself, and the
wrongness of the wrong is upon himself. 21 “But the wrong, if he
turns from all his sins which he has done, and he shall guard all My
laws, and shall do right-ruling and righteousness, he shall certainly
live, he shall not die. 22 “All the transgressions which he has done
shall NOT be remembered against him – in his righteousness that he has
done, he shall live.
Forgiveness of sins is NOT a New Testament teaching.
Will you take a moment to listen?
Deu 4:31 (For YHWH thy Elohim is a merciful El;) he will not forsake
thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers
which he sware unto them.
The LAW is COMPASSION.
Mat 23:23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you
tithe the mint and the anise and the cumin, and have neglected the
weightier matters of the Torah: the right-ruling and the compassion
and the belief. These need to have been done, without neglecting the
others.
Paul is a Pharisee that neglected COMPASSION and belief. The Messiah
told you this!
Eze 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have
transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will
ye die, O house of Israel?
Eze 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith
the Master YHWH: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the favorable gift of
Elohim is everlasting life in Messiah YEHOSHUA our Master.
SEE, NO COMPASSION of Yahweh.
Finally, why is false apostle Paul in scriptures.. Why has Yahweh
allowed this lie to continue?
Deu 13:3 do not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of
dreams, for Yahweh your Elohim is trying you to know whether you love
[Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your being.
Your being tested... will you pass?
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"guardian Snow"
randy
"Abraham, Isaac and Jacob all predate Moses and death DID NOT reign!
Notice that it says, "even over them that had not sinned"! THIS IS A
LIE! The "law" was in place since the beginning!"
Paul was referring to the curse of sin, the curse of Adam's sin, and the
curse of the Law. All men since Adam have fallen under the curse of Adam,
and those who lived under the Law were cursed under the Law. All men die.
That is all Paul was saying.
> When the Scriptures talk about God making His Son a sin sacrifice, they
> were
> talking about God letting His Son suffer injustice. This did not mean that
> God was in favor of human sin, injustice, or murder. God was absolutely
> opposed to the murder of His Son by wicked men. But in the providence of
> God, the suffering of Christ enabled God to forgive men who repent of this
> deed, together with all those who do anything at all against the Son of
> God.
> You are terribly mistaken in your view of things.
> randy
"I'm talking about forgiveness of sins Randy. Why not read beyond that
first statement and THEN comment after the explanation."
I am also talking about forgiveness of sins. But you were suggesting that it
was inconsistent of Paul to claim that Jesus died in his innocence for the
sins of his fathers. On the contrary, he did die for the sins of others, but
he also suffered *unjustly* at the hands of sinners who broke God's command
not to murder.
"Forgiveness of sins is NOT a New Testament teaching."
I didn't say it was. But forgiveness that leads to eternal life is
exclusively the domain of the New Testament. And that is what Paul properly
taught.
"The LAW is COMPASSION."
Yes, the Law is compassion. And so is the gospel. The big difference here is
that compassion under the Law does *not* lead to eternal life. But
compassion under the New Testament does in fact lead to eternal life. Same
compassion, yet only one system of compassion leads to eternal life, the
system of the gospel.
"Paul is a Pharisee that neglected COMPASSION and belief. The Messiah
told you this!"
Paul had Christ's compassion within him. That is why he said, "Christ within
us, the hope of glory." Paul did not claim to be perfect. But he claimed to
be striving for the high calling of God in Christ. Paul eloquently delivered
his famous "love" discourse, 1 Corinthians 13. It was rife with compassion,
mercy, and love.
"Paul wanted to destroy the Church of Yahweh by his own admission."
Not true. I don't know where you get this? Paul wanted the church to
experience the Christ who himself had immortality and a pure spirituality.
In this way we could have eternal life. What is uncompassionate about this?
How is this inconsistent with what Christ himself taught?
randy
walksalone
> On Jun 16, 1:58 pm, singin4free <jffry...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The single GREATEST LIE of the false apostle is this one:
>
> Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them
> that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who
> is the figure of him that was to come.
>
> Death did not reign, Son ARE NOT PUT TO DEATH for the sins of the
> Fathers.
Death does reign, & the death rate is universal. One per customer.
But sons do bear the sins of their fathers, just as is claimed in the xian
notion of original sin.
Or these passages.
Gen.9:21-25
"And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father .... And
Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
And he said, Cursed be Canaan [Ham's son]; a servant of servants shall he
be unto his brethren."
Ex.20:5 , Dt.5:9
"I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers
upon the children unto the third and fourth generation."
Ex.34:7
"Visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the
children's children unto the third and to the fourth generation."
Num.14:18
"Visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and
fourth generation."
Dt.23:2
"A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his
tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD."
Dt.28:18
"Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body."
2 Sam.12:14
"The child also that is born unto thee shall surely die."
2 Sam.21:6-9
Let seven men of his sons be delivered unto us, and we will hang them up
unto the LORD .... And he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites,
and they hanged them in the hill before the LORD."
1 Kg.2:33
"Their blood shall therefore return upon the head of Joab, and upon the
head of his seed for ever."
1 Kg.21:29
"Seest thou how Ahab humbleth himself before me? because he humbleth
himself before me, I will not bring the evil in his days: but in his son's
days will I bring the evil upon his house."
2 Kg.5:27
"The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed
for ever."
Is.14:21
"Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers."
Jer.16:10-11
"Wherefore hath the Lord pronounced all this great evil against us? ...
Because your fathers have forsaken me, saith the Lord."
Jer.29:32
"Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will punish Shemaiah the
Nehelamite, and his seed."
Jer.32:18
"Thou ... recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their
children after them."
Vs.:
Dt.24:16
"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the
children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death
for his own sin."
Jer.31:29-30
In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape,
and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his
own iniquity."
Ezek.18:20
"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity
of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the
righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the
wicked shall be upon him."
So yes, the child is punished for the sins of the father, or something like
that.
& so yes, sons die for their fathers sins, one way or the other. Isn't
quote mining fun, & about useless.
> Eze 18:20 “The being who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the
> crookedness of the father, nor the father bear the crookedness of the
> son. The righteousness of the righteous is upon himself, and the
> wrongness of the wrong is upon himself. 21 “But the wrong, if he
> turns from all his sins which he has done, and he shall guard all My
> laws, and shall do right-ruling and righteousness, he shall certainly
> live, he shall not die. 22 “All the transgressions which he has done
> shall NOT be remembered against him – in his righteousness that he
> has done, he shall live.
Even hasatan caqn quote the bible, according to your myth.
>> and as we are all sinners,
>
> Joh 5:14 Afterward Yahushua findeth him in the temple, and said unto
> him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come
> unto thee.
1 Kg.8:46
"There is no man that sinneth not."
2 Chr.6:36
"There is no man which sinneth not."
Pr.20:9
"Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin."
Ec.7:20
"For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth
not."
Rom.3:23
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."
1 Jn.1:8
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not
in us."
1 Jn.1:10
"If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not
in us." 1 Jn.3:6
"Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not."
1 Jn.3:9
"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in
him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
1 Jn.5:18
"We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not."
3 Jn.11
"He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God."
Though you don't know this, others do.
It is said that yahweh can't stand the sight of sinners, yet Enoch, Moses,
seventy elders, Job & elisha were sin free of that is true, & at least 4
made it to the throne room.made it to heaven, some returned.
>> day in and day out in what
>> we say and what we think, in what we do and what we don't do, It is
>> only
> by the
>> grace of God that any of us are saved from eternal damnation.
>
> I'm obligated to warn you:
No, but you will take the opportunity to display your limited response
list.
> Eze 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his
> wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
> thou hast delivered thy soul.
> Eze 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness,
> and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall
> die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin,
> and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but
> his blood will I require at thine hand.
This passage fails on several accounts.
1st & not foremost, this is a human supposedly quoting a tribal god. Hint,
historical context tells us so.
2nd, there is no reason to assume the truth has been told, in fact, there
is reason to assume the opposite.
The list is rather long, & you wouldn't begin to be able to consider the
concepts.
> Forgiveness of sins is not a NT teaching:
But it is if you follow the blunders of yahweh on the Hebrew Bible. That
god could hold a grudge that would put a mother in law to shame.
> Eze 18:27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness
> that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he
> shall save his soul alive.
Written after the Babylonian vacation, & therefore, after resurecction was
part of the Hebrew Canon. Prior to that, it is not. But don't let facts
get in the way of your fantasy.
> Eze 18:28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his
> transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall
> not die.
Hope eternal introduced to a myth that had none prior to the babylonian
vacation. Strange how that works.
> I call it compassion of YHWH and your understanding is incorrect by
> thinking Grace. Your sins are remembered still.
That requires two things.
Sins, a term used to control bleaters, must exist as claimed.
There must be an eternal being to remember them.
To date, those concepts also sharfe the fatal disease of your Glod, lacka.
> Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and YHWH hath
> remembered her iniquities.
Who is she?Can you ientify the person that is being talked about in
anything like concrete terms? More importantly, what evidence do you have?
<Drumroll>
& the answser is <shocked look on face of announcer> NONE. </shocked look
on face of announcer></Drumroll> Sorry folks, had a xian moment there.
>> Having faith in God mandates we follow the 10 commandments. Your
>> reference to
>> Deu 6:4 is the first of all the commandments. And as James 2:26
>> says, fa
> ith
>> without works of the heart (deeds) is dead faith.
snip tail chasing
> This says NOTHING about the cross giving access to the tree of life.
The tree of life is a common theme in pagan belief, mostly N. Europe.
Where did the Greeks get it from? & why was it incorportaed into your
version of the myth.
> This belief comes ONLY from the false Apostle and all the others say
> that life is in guarding the commands of Elohim. I recognize that you
> will desire to continue to argue for your false apostle... but you
> have not garnered the understanding of the Prophets for as long as you
> stay only with the false apostle...
As you have not garned the knowledge required to understand what you are
claiming to know. It requires more than reading one book, & only
books/articles that are written in support of that book.
> Will you take a moment to listen? I have a lot of respect for you
> brother Duke, KNOW THE LAW...
Which is so ambigious as to be embarassing to a thinking person.
> Deu 4:31 (For YHWH thy Elohim is a merciful El;) he will not forsake
Dt.23:1 "He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut
off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD."
Dt.23:2 "A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even
to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the
LORD."
& that is not even the tip of the iceberg.
However, there is a locatio in the Hebrew Bible where yahwehj goes from
being a bastartd & derspotic god to a nice guy? Where is that passage to
be found? Or do you even know?
> thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers
> which he sware unto them.
A covenent he broke frequently. Now which covenent, the one with Abraham,
Moses, Joshua, King David, etc.
> The LAW is COMPASSION.
Not even close. It's my way or the highway after I bust your kneecaps &
throw you out.
> Mat 23:23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because
> you tithe the mint and the anise and the cumin, and have neglected the
> weightier matters of the Torah: the right-ruling and the compassion
> and the belief. These need to have been done, without neglecting the
> others.
Yet your missing messiah was a pharasee theologically.
> Paul is a Pharisee that neglected COMPASSION and belief. The Messiah
> told you this!
But your messiah was a pharasee.
> Eze 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have
> transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will
> ye die, O house of Israel?
> Eze 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith
> the Master YHWH: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
That is hard to agree with when one considers the following claims:
A universal flood.
The missing plauges of Egypt.
The death of thousands [if you can believe it] at the cities of the plains.
Sodom & Gomorah to you.
The pestilence given to King David [a favorite of the lord god] for taking
a census. Yet a census was a routine event in the ANE. How else to set
taxs & raise armies? PFM I suppose.
> Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the favorable gift of
> Elohim is everlasting life in Messiah YEHOSHUA our Master.
Other than changing toi wording, the wages of life is death. Happens every
time & appears to be hereditary. You get it from your parents.
However, death is needed, for without death, there would be no new life.
Life feeds on the results of death, & that is allright if you aren't a
godbotherer.
> Romans 6:23 fails to take into account the very thing that the Messiah
> spoke about… compassion. Are the wages of sin instant death to all
> that sin?
No, like salvation, you have to die first. Strange, you have to die to
live, or die.
> Psa 7:11 Elohim is a righteous judge. And Ěl is enraged every day,
> Psa 7:12 If one does not repent! He sharpens His sword, He bends His
> bow and makes it ready,
> Psa 7:13 And He has prepared for Himself instruments of death, He
> makes His arrows hot for pursuers.
> Psa 7:14 See, he who is bound with wickedness, And has conceived
> trouble and brought forth falsehood,
> Psa 7:15 He has made a pit and dug it out, And falls into the ditch he
> made!
Now,. wold you like to attempt to put that in context? or can you even
try. Remember, you have chapters to give the verses context.
> It is YOUR SIN that destroys you, NOT YAHWEH!
No, yahweh piulls the trigger in your myth. Else he is powerless. WSait,
according to the evidence yhou claim, sin is more powerful than yahweh.
Are you sure you meant to say that? Context child, context.
> EL does not destroy you, you destroy yourself by continuing to sin.
> Again Psalm 9:
No, the god �l was the god of Abraham, yahweh OTOH, is someone else.
> Psa 9:16 YAHWEH has made Himself known, He has done right-ruling; The
> wrong is snared in the work of his own hands. Meditation. Selah. 17
> The wrong return to the grave, All the gentiles that forget Elohim.
Not what the verse says, yahweh is not mentioned in that passage.
> So all who hate the Torah of life need to understand just how much
> compassion you have already been shown!
The compassion of a starving spider, why?
> Deu 13:17 “And none of that which is put under the ban is to cling
> to your hand, so that YAHWEH turns from the fierceness of His
> displeasure and shall show you compassion, love you and increase you,
> as He swore to your fathers,
> Deu 13:18 when you obey the voice of YAHWEH your Elohim, to guard all
> His commands which I command you today, to do what is right in the
> eyes of YAHWEH your Elohim.
Written after the Babylonian vacation & context wise, not in line with the
original text. Now why is that not a surprise to those that have studied
the myth?
> Paul wanted to destroy the Church of Yahweh by his own admission.
According to you. But IAW the orthodox vies, you are a heretic.
> Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which (I destroyed), I make
> myself a transgressor.
The I destroyed is an insertion or assumption. Neither one is any
indication of accuracy. Given your demonstrated willingness to change the
*word*, there is no reason to believe you.
> We must first ask our self, “What have we destroyed by listening to
> Paul?”
No we don't, yolur fan tasy not withstanding.
> Pro 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and
> reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
The commandment is singular, care to try & impress yourself again.
> We are destroying the lamp that leads us, the light within it and the
> way to our own life. By his many words Apostle Paul has condemned us
> all to be cursed and wants to simply be open to the truth. As we go
> into Deuteronomy 28, we find all these curses that have come on each
> and every one of us.
Poor baby, you know there are medications that help diminish the effects of
anxiety attacks, don't you. Maybe you should talk to your chemist?
> If saving your own life isn’t enough then remember that everybody
> you love, your family and your friends are all in the same collision
> with sin. Your sin doesn’t just destroy you; it affects the life of
> everybody you love.
Save your guilt trip for yourself. There are those that iunderstand well
the law of Lacka. That you don't does not invalidate it.
But then, when you cut it to the quiock, fearmongering is all you have. In
that, you are not alone.
> Mic 6:13 “So I also, I shall smite you with a grievous wound, to lay
> you waste because of your sins:
Out of context, as usual. Include the whole passage & try again.
> Sin is a wound and wounds take time to heal but they must be cleaned
> and treated with care. The nature of our relationship with Elohim is
> a marriage by blood. If you cheat on somebody you love, they may have
> compassion and forgive you but do you want to take that chance?
Sin is a fabricataion used to replace abodinmation[sp], look at the money
the church saverd in printing costs alone. But more to the point, when
used like you like to pretend it should be used, it is a guilt trip that
has no application outside your myth.
> Deu 11:1 “And you shall love Yahweh your Elohim and guard His
> Charge: even His laws, and His right-rulings, and His commands,
> always.
Not what the passage says, but then, you are a self apponted messenger for
Glod, so your cklaims are as worthless as you have made them.
> Do you love Yahweh and his Torah or do you love Paul more?
I'll take none of the above for $100 US Alex.
> 1Jn 5:3 For this is the love for Elohim, that we guard His commands,
> and His commands are not heavy,
AAgain, a passage altered by yhou, & therefore, not to be taken seriously
by anyone else that does n ot share your fears.
> Finally, why is false apostle Paul in scriptures.. Why has Yahweh
> allowed this lie to continue?
Because without him, there would be xianity today, & therefore, no boogy
man for you to whine about?
> Deu 13:3 do not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of
> dreams, for Yahweh your Elohim is trying you to know whether you love
> [Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your being.
That means that every prophet was a false prophet. The reasons are beyond
you, but prophesy after the fact, or failed prophesy is only valid in the
claims made by the followers of the revealed gods of the desert.
> Your being tested... will you pass?
You failed, & you ask that of others. Sheesh, you can't even support your
own pretensions, & ask others if they will pass your test. Why should
they?
> Unplug from your matrix!
Better yet, plug into your own shallow gene pool with about 800KV & see if
it corrects your brains misalignment.
snip self serving advertisments
Now here is where you shine, & it's not just this topic.
walkslaone who would never declare that snow can't answer or support his
positions, it's all the work of his debil.
Tsao Hsueh-chin
When the unreal is taken for the real, the real becomes unreal."
Sam Taylor
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:l1dh45tme52f9htot...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:05:20 -0700 (PDT), guardian Snow
<snowp...@eck.net.au>
> wrote:
>
> >On Jun 28, 11:24 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Emmanuel
> >> Emmanual (Septuagint Emmanouel; A.V., Immanuel) signifies "God with us"
(Matthew
> >> 1:23), and is the name of the child predicted in Isaiah 7:14: "Behold a
virgin
> >> shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel".
> >>
> >> Snow, millions of man hours of research by the Christian faith over the
last
> >> 2000 years confirms that "God with us" is a true translation.
> >
> >Mat 1:23 "See, a maiden shall conceive, and she shall give birth to a
> >Son, and they shall call His Name Immanu'?l," which translated, means,
> >"?l with us."
G=d is El Eloah, Elohiem
g-d is el eloah elohiem
and comes after the phrase with our, With Us, gatherer of, assembler to
as Immah Annuh has multiple meanings
and NOT ONE OF THEM IS G-D with US
as to read it that way is to read the phrase or
Hebraism backwords
btw I have a Doctorate of Linguistic Sciences in
ancient languages.
guardian Snow
> > >> Snow, millions of man hours of research by the Christian faith over the
> last
> > >> 2000 years confirms that "God with us" is a true translation.
>
> > >Mat 1:23 "See, a maiden shall conceive, and she shall give birth to a
> > >Son, and they shall call His Name Immanu'?l," which translated, means,
> > >"?l with us."
>
> G-D is El, ELOAH Elohiem
> G=d is El Eloah, Elohiem
> g-d is el eloah elohiem
> and comes after the phrase with our, With Us, gatherer of, assembler to
> as Immah Annuh has multiple meanings
> and NOT ONE OF THEM IS G-D with US
> as to read it that way is to read the phrase or
> Hebraism backwords
> btw I have a Doctorate of Linguistic Sciences in
> ancient languages.
Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
another, neither my praise to graven images.
Exo 3:15 And Elohim said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto
the children of Israel, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of
Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, hath sent me
unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all
generations.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets;
let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them
from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the
prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the
dead.
singin4free
> "duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:l1dh45tme52f9htot...@4ax.com...> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:05:20 -0700 (PDT), guardian Snow
>
>
> > wrote:
>
> > >On Jun 28, 11:24 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > >> Emmanuel
> > >> Emmanual (Septuagint Emmanouel; A.V., Immanuel) signifies "God with us"
> (Matthew
> > >> 1:23), and is the name of the child predicted in Isaiah 7:14: "Behold a
> virgin
> > >> shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel".
>
> > >> Snow, millions of man hours of research by the Christian faith over the
> last
> > >> 2000 years confirms that "God with us" is a true translation.
>
> > >Mat 1:23 "See, a maiden shall conceive, and she shall give birth to a
> > >Son, and they shall call His Name Immanu'?l," which translated, means,
> > >"?l with us."
>
> G-D is El, ELOAH Elohiem
> G=d is El Eloah, Elohiem
> g-d is el eloah elohiem
> and comes after the phrase with our, With Us, gatherer of, assembler to
> as Immah Annuh has multiple meanings
> and NOT ONE OF THEM IS G-D with US
> as to read it that way is to read the phrase or
> Hebraism backwords
> btw I have a Doctorate of Linguistic Sciences in
> ancient languages.
>
If you do have a doctorate in linguistic sciences, you have many peers
who disagree, all of whom worked on the numerous translations of the
Hebrew and Greek scriptures, and translated Emmanuel as "God with us".
It matters little that the words are reversed. The meaning is the
same. Anyway the evangelist settled the matter, by giving us the
revealed proper meaning.
H6005
עמּנוּאל
‛immânû'êl
im-maw-noo-ale'
From H5973 and H410 with suffix pronoun inserted; with us (is) God;
Immanuel, a name of Isaiah’s son: - Immanuel.
Sam Taylor
>
> > >> Emmanuel
> > >> Emmanual (Septuagint Emmanouel; A.V., Immanuel) signifies "God with
us"
> (Matthew
Actualy means "with our G-D (EL
with of G-D
with for G-D
with by G-D
with my G-D
so we can conclude means also
shepherd of, by towards, assemblier og G-D
> > >> 1:23), and is the name of the child predicted in Isaiah 7:14: "Behold
a
> virgin
> > >> shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called
Emmanuel".
>
> > >> Snow, millions of man hours of research by the Christian faith over
the
> last
> > >> 2000 years confirms that "God with us" is a true translation.
2000 years of people trying to imply what the scripture says not and to add
"which being interpreted as" then falsly translating a hebrew phrase. as
most Hebrew names are phrases. no other name like Daniel, Samuel, Lemuel,
Gabriel are so translated.
My name Samuel is Heard of G-D not G-D ears
EL is at the end of the phrase......not at the begining of it!
from My name
Hears of G-D
hears to G-D
hears for G-D
hears by G-D
hears My G-D
Hears our G-D
so You see the proper order of Meaning, so the same
With of G-D is the primary meaning of the Hebraism
with our G-D is the last
>
> > >Mat 1:23 "See, a maiden shall conceive, and she shall give birth to a
> > >Son, and they shall call His Name Immanu'?l," which translated, means,
> > >"?l with us."
>
> G-D is El, ELOAH Elohiem
> G=d is El Eloah, Elohiem
> g-d is el eloah elohiem
> and comes after the phrase with our, With Us, gatherer of, assembler to
> as Immah Annuh has multiple meanings
> and NOT ONE OF THEM IS G-D with US
> as to read it that way is to read the phrase or
> Hebraism backwords
> btw I have a Doctorate of Linguistic Sciences in
> ancient languages.
>
If you do have a doctorate in linguistic sciences, you have many peers
who disagree, all of whom worked on the numerous translations of the
Hebrew and Greek scriptures, and translated Emmanuel as "God with us".
It matters little that the words are reversed. The meaning is the
same. Anyway the evangelist settled the matter, by giving us the
revealed proper meaning.
H6005
????????
?imma^nu^'e^l
vince garcia
Really? When and where did you get it, and what peer reviewed works in
Hebrew translation have you done that we can verify your ability to
contradict 2000 years of scholarship with a heretical opinion?
I'd appreciate a real answer, because I don't believe your claims, and
challenge you to prove them.
You have ducked the question so far, so I have repeated it.
Put up, or shut up.
Someone with a pedigree like yours should be able to prove his
credentials.
But certainly, your opinion is worth NOTHING compared to the endless
list of scholars who have been translating Bibles for almost 2000 years
as GOD WITH US, and not WITH OUR GOD.
Here is Miriam-Webster's notation, by the way:
Main Entry:
Im�man�u�el Listen to the pronunciation of Immanuel
Variant(s):
or Em�man�u�el \i-?man-y?-w?l, -y?l\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English Emanuel, from Late Latin Emmanuel, from Greek
Emmanoue-l, from Hebrew ?imma-nu-?e-l, literally, WITH US IS GOD
Date:
15th century
So apparently you now know better than the credentialed scholars who
have written the Webster's definition.
Put up, or shut up.
walksalone
b77f-2bf...@r25g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
> On Jul 2, 8:04 pm, Raymond <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
Through the not too snow, maybe snow blind, but he's not quick enough to
catch on.
>> > Deu 4:27 And YHWH shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall
be
>> > left few in number among the heathen, whither YHWH shall lead you.
>> > Deu 4:28 And there ye shall serve elohim, the work of men's hands,
>> > wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
>>
>> You see reader, this false bible Snow is using you will not also he
>> does not even say where he got this stuff from.
>
> This "false bible" as you call it is the King James Version with
> Restored names.
Then it is a false Bible because, if not the actual translation of the
King James but one modified by you.
> http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip <--free
> download of the Restored Names King James Version
Yes, we know you try to peddle your forum, but that's not what these
groups are for.
There are over 100 translations to choose from, & you chose to modify one
that's already well known. Not exactly a smooth maneuver there ex-lax.
> I find it so ironic that you would call the King James a false bible.
He didn't, he called your version a false Bible.
> The only difference is the false names are removed and the Hebrew
> titles restored. Let's examine the difference:
snip pretentious resort to specialized readings of the Hebrew Bible in
order to show himself, more capable than he is.
> Wow.. Moses is a GOD.. Hmmm. You of course know that Hebrew doesn't
Know, Moses is not a god, nor does the Hebrew every claim he has been. Of
course, given your inability to read in context to understand what you
have read, it's understandable how you would make that conclusion on the
behalf of someone else.
> have capitol and small letters along with no vowels, so it makes no
> difference if it's GOD or god...
Actually, it never has mattered. In discussing the nonexistent,
capitalization is flattering but immaterial. Not flattering to the entity
being claimed to exist, to people like you who claim to believe in them.
> Do you worship Moses now? You claim to believe him.. right...
That is your claim, nowhere is Moses called a Elohim except in your
modified writings and very unoriginal attempt to glorify yourself.
But here's something else that you don't understand, also known as, how
to establish yourself as a credible source on Usenet.
walksalone who has to wonder why Snow wanted to remove his own group from
his garbage postings, could be they've had enough and have been on his
case without anybody knowing about it?
A LITTLE BOY LOST
Nought loves another as itself,
Nor venerates another so,
Nor is it possible to thought
A greater than itself to know:
And Father, how can I love you
Or any of my brothers more?
I love you like the little bird
That picks up crumbs around the door.
The Priest sat by and heard the child,
In trembling zeal he seiz'd his hair:
He led him by his little coat,
And all admir'd the priestly care.
And standing on the altar high,
Lo! what a fiend is here! said he,
One who sets reason up for judge
Of our most holy Mystery.
The weeping child could not be heard,
The weeping parents were in vain;
They strip'd him to his little shirt,
And bound him in an iron chain;
And burn'd him in a holy place,
Where many had been burn'd before:
The weeping parents wept in vain.
Are such things done on Albion's shore? / england's
[William Blake, from Songs of Experience ]
walksalone
91fc-6a4...@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
> On Jul 3, 11:52�pm, Raymond <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
>> >http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
>
>> > scared? I say your nothing but a prophet of Baal.. bring it on!
>>
>> Oh go home boy/girl what ever you are, you way out of your league, you
>> could not scare a cat away. �You prove so far what ever you say is all
>> a lie so with that and your track record so far, you would not know a
Snip, goodness gracious even Raymond is tired of the boy.
Through but not to snow, it's too complicated.
> Typical of you Christians.. All talk and no works:)) I'll be waiting
Strange, the audience was thinking just the same thing about you. Since
you've been here, it's been all talk and no substance. Of course, from a
fanatic, or a true believer, who would expect more.
> to see you post on messianicYehoshua and I promise, you won't be
Where should he go there, is this not good enough for you? Here, you can
receive the praise of the audience as you strut your stuff, only you
won't. You won't because you have nothing to start. Or you can do is
repeat yourself which is old and the first time you did it. This time is
that, the post before your second one.
> moderated. Take care Raymond and be well:)
The promise of a false teacher is rather worthless wouldn't you think?
And yes, you have called by yourself as a false teacher. What would you
have done this is simply avoiding supporting your claims or admitting you
can't. Even admitting you can't would not remove the odds of being a
false teacher, but he would do your credibility a world of good. I
suspect by now, it's too late.
walksalone will find it rather comical, indeed, almost hilarious, and
snow would accuse anybody else of running away. Of course, it's different
when he does it, he is special. He has a pet god.
ACCUSE, v.t. To affirm another's guilt or unworth; most
commonly as a justification of ourselves for having wronged
him. Devils dictionary
walksalone
922c-d1a...@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
> On Jul 4, 4:17�am, walksalone <spamstop...@nerdshack.com> wrote:
Through but not to snow, no need in training the boy. He would forget it
in five minutes. Or less.
> Mama was queen of the mambo
> Papa was king of the Congo
Snip of course, which in a way is a pity. He almost made sense. But I
suspect that it's been plagiarized without giving the author the benefit
of the copyright accolades, and has nothing to do with the topic. But
hey, it's snow, it's snow & is not bound by rules of conduct like
everybody else. He is on a mission from Glod, which exempt him from
either supporting his claims or, using the Usenet as it was intended.
But here's something when he still continues to fail to make sense, and
continues to verify he is attacking false teacher and a liar. Of course,
he does not realize how common that status is among the xian newsgroups,
and assumes it makes him special.
walksalone accepts that snow can do nothing with the above, and probably
knew it when he first posted it. But braggarts are the same worldwide,
the world is supposed to listen and nobody is supposed to question let
alone expect them to support their claims. After all, they are exempt
from the rules of standard human conduct anywhere, or at any time. Just
watch the posting if you think this is not the case.
Aaron
wrote:
>
>"vince garcia" <vggar...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:4A44D4...@ix.netcom.com...
>> guardian Snow wrote:
`Emanuel is a Hebrew name meaning "God is with us" or "God is our
protector" (due to the multiple definitions of many Hebrew words, both
definitions are correct). Calling Yshu`a "Lord" is a poor translation
of "Kurios" the Greek for "Adonai (God the Father)." The usage in the
Messianic Scriptures indicates His divinity.
While I disagree with Snow on somethings and think he should take
Hebrew lessons, he is correct in saying that the Christian churches do
not follow Messiah. However, I would say that Rabbi Shaul (a.k.a.:
"Paul") is twisted and mistranslated by Christians who reject his
teachings too. In matthew 5:17-19, Messiah taught that all of His
followers must obey all 613 Commandments "until heaven and earth pass
away and everything has happened."
Rabbi Kefa ("Peter") warned that while Shaul taught the truth, his
teachings were beyong the understanding of those not educated in
Judaism. We see this today. There are at least 15 Hebrew words and
phrases that can be translated into Greek as "nomos." I person well
educated in Judaism can see where it refers to Mitzvot, Chumrot, or
Torah Shebe al Peh, among others. In Galatians, Shaul, the biggest
"Judaizer" in history addresses anti-missionary activity in Galatia.
Saducees were converting gentiles from Messianic Judaism to Saducaic
Judaism (Saducaic Judaism is not really Judaism at all as it does not
believe the Thirteen Principles of faith). Conversion to Saducaic
Judaism is strongly denounced in the book. Unfortunately, many
antisemites twist the book to seem to reject Gentiles accepting the
Covenant.
***SNIP***
Aaron
wrote:
>
>"Sam Taylor"
>> WRONG
>> Emanual means "With our G-D" NOT G-D with us.
>> that is why the scripture says "No man can call Jesus lord (not LORD)
>> except by the Holy Ghost
>> there is but 1 LORD (YHWH)
>> and many Lords, and lords
>> like the British house of Lords is not talking about a bunch of G-D;s...
>
>The term "Lord" is used commonly for Jesus, as a lord over all men. But the
>same term is used for God Almighty, or "YHWH," as you call Him. The idea
>employed by the apostles is meant to convey the idea that Jesus' lordship is
>from heaven, from deity itself.
Not correct.
The usage is as that of a synonym in much of Jewish religious
literature. It makes the statement that Yshu`a, the Messiah is Adonai
(God the Father) - that He is divine. As such he IS God, and He did
dwell among us.
>
>The idea of "God dwelling with man" is as old as the Abrahamic Covenant, in
>which God promised that He would be Abraham's God, and that Abraham's people
>would be His people. In other words, God would dwell with Abraham's
>descendants forever.
>randy
Aaron
<vggar...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>guardian Snow wrote:
>>
>> On Jun 27, 9:19 pm, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> > guardian Snow wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Jun 27, 11:32Â am, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > > > > > This is because you follow Paul and not Yehoshua the Messiah of
>> > > > > Yahweh.
>> >
>> > > > > > > > No that is because you have been deceived and teach a false doctrine.
>> > > > > > > > I follow the WHOLE BIBLE and if I used Hebrew/Greek I follow that
>> > > > > > > > tongue, which you only play with, again you are a liar!
>> >
>> > > > > > > If you followed the WHOLE BIBLE then the issues of GUARDING THE
>> > > > > > > COMMANDMENTS would be top of your list.
>> >
>> > > > > > > Mat 19:17 And He said to him, â?oWhy do you call Me good? No one is good
>> > > > > > > except One â?" Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
>> > > > > > > commands.â?
>> >
>> > > > > > > Since of course we both know that Yehoshua told you to guard the
>> > > > > > > commandments, which of course means that you would love Yahweh by
>> > > > > > > keeping those commandments and topping that list would be to have no
>> > > > > > > other Elohim before him and not bringing his name to naught.
>> >
>> > > > > > > > > Had you followed the Messiah:
>> >
>> > > > > > > > More like when will you follower JESUS the Messiah? Â The only way to
>> > > > > > > > the Father is by Jesus Christ, and the Angels called Jesus "God with
>> > > > > > > > us" which you deny and mock.
>> >
>> > > > > Â Â Â Â WRONG
>> > > > > Â Â Â Â Emanual means "With our G-D" NOT G-D with us.
`Emanuel is a Hebrew name that means "God is with us" or "God is our
protector." Due to the multiple meanings of many Hebrew words, both
definitions are correct. In the case of Yshu`a, the Messiah both
meanings are accurate descriptions. Yshu`a is referred to in the
Greek texts as "Kurios" the greek word used to translate "Adonai (God
the Father)." So, Yshu`a is divine (Most Christians and all Messianic
Jews should have gotten that already). So when Messiah lived as a man
in Israel, God was with us physically as well as spiritually. Yshu`a
gave His life for our redemption from our sins, protecting us from
damnation. As is frequently the case with the Hebrew text of the
Bible, both definitions are correct.
Aaron
>On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:21:53 -0700 (PDT), guardian Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au>
>wrote:
>
>>On Jun 27, 9:19 pm, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>> guardian Snow wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Jun 27, 11:32Â am, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > > > > > > > This is because you follow Paul and not Yehoshua the Messiah of
>>> > > > Yahweh.
>>>
>>> > > > > > > No that is because you have been deceived and teach a false doctrine.
>>> > > > > > > I follow the WHOLE BIBLE and if I used Hebrew/Greek I follow that
>>> > > > > > > tongue, which you only play with, again you are a liar!
>>>
>>> > > > > > If you followed the WHOLE BIBLE then the issues of GUARDING THE
>>> > > > > > COMMANDMENTS would be top of your list.
>>>
>>> > > > > > Mat 19:17 And He said to him, â?oWhy do you call Me good? No one is good
>>> > > > > > except One â?" Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
>>> > > > > > commands.â?
>>>
>>> > > > > > Since of course we both know that Yehoshua told you to guard the
>>> > > > > > commandments, which of course means that you would love Yahweh by
>>> > > > > > keeping those commandments and topping that list would be to have no
>>> > > > > > other Elohim before him and not bringing his name to naught.
>>>
>>> > > > > > > > Had you followed the Messiah:
>>>
>>> > > > > > > More like when will you follower JESUS the Messiah? Â The only way to
>>> > > > > > > the Father is by Jesus Christ, and the Angels called Jesus "God with
>>> > > > > > > us" which you deny and mock.
>>>
>>> > > > Â Â Â Â WRONG
>>> > > > Â Â Â Â Emanual means "With our G-D" NOT G-D with us.
Well Duke, Now I am not sure who I am agreeing with or disagreeing
with. LOL I might have had the player's switched. Either way, I
doubt that millions of man hours were devoted to looking up the
definition of my grandfather's Hebrew name LOL. Besides it is a
common Hebrew name easily looked up. For looking up most names, I
suggest "The Complete Dictionary of English and Hebrew First Names" by
Alfred J. Kolatch. It is accurate with the Hebrew. It does default
to English definitions when a name could be traced to more than one
other language.
`Emanuel is a Hebrew name that means "God is with us" or "God is our
protector." Due to the multiple meanings of many Hebrew words, both
definitions are correct. In the case of Yshu`a, the Messiah both
meanings are accurate descriptions. Yshu`a is referred to in the
Greek texts as "Kurios" the greek word used to translate "Adonai (God
the Father)." So, Yshu`a is divine (Most Christians and all Messianic
Jews should have gotten that already). So when Messiah lived as a man
in Israel, God was with us physically as well as spiritually. Yshu`a
gave His life for our redemption from our sins, protecting us from
damnation. As is frequently the case with the Hebrew text of the
Bible, both definitions are correct.
>
>The Dukester, American-American
>*****
Aaron
wrote:
>
It seems that your doctorate program did not include Hebrew.
Elohim is the plural of "Elohey." It can be spelled two ways: 1
(alef-lemed-hey) or 2 (alef-lemed-cholam male-hey). "Eloah" is a
mistransliteration done by Gentiles who confused the "hey" with a
"chet" or confused the rule of the "final chet with a patach" and used
the rule erroneously.
`Imanuel (also transliterated "`Emanuel") is a Hebrew name that means
"God is with us" or "God is our protector." Both definitions are
correct.
vince garcia
LOL--apparently not!
Notice he hasn't responded to any challenges to prove this claim? That's
because if he dared try to run that bluff out by listing what university
he supposedly got that doctorate at, he knows my next step will be to
check the alumni list where his name will conveniently be absent.
duke
>>Snow, millions of man hours of research by the Christian faith over the last
>>2000 years confirms that "God with us" is a true translation.
>Well Duke, Now I am not sure who I am agreeing with or disagreeing
>with. LOL I might have had the player's switched. Either way, I
>doubt that millions of man hours were devoted to looking up the
>definition of my grandfather's Hebrew name LOL.
I'm referring to scriptural research, not that everything was dedicated to "God
with us".
But again, it's your major conflict with Christianity that Jesus is the Messiah.
So, in that respect, I can say that millions of man hours of research directly
establish Jesus as the Messiah as prophesied..
> Besides it is a
>common Hebrew name easily looked up. For looking up most names, I
>suggest "The Complete Dictionary of English and Hebrew First Names" by
>Alfred J. Kolatch. It is accurate with the Hebrew. It does default
>to English definitions when a name could be traced to more than one
>other language.
Like I said, millions of man hours of scriptural research has already
established the identify of Jesus.
>`Emanuel is a Hebrew name that means "God is with us" or "God is our
>protector." Due to the multiple meanings of many Hebrew words, both
>definitions are correct. In the case of Yshu`a, the Messiah both
>meanings are accurate descriptions. Yshu`a is referred to in the
>Greek texts as "Kurios" the greek word used to translate "Adonai (God
>the Father)." So, Yshu`a is divine (Most Christians and all Messianic
>Jews should have gotten that already). So when Messiah lived as a man
>in Israel, God was with us physically as well as spiritually. Yshu`a
>gave His life for our redemption from our sins, protecting us from
>damnation. As is frequently the case with the Hebrew text of the
>Bible, both definitions are correct.
The divine Yshu'a did not die on the cross.
gladys swager
> On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:32:21, Aaron wrote:
> >>Snow, millions of man hours of research by the Christian faith over the last
> >>2000 years confirms that "God with us" is a true translation.
> >Well Duke, Now I am not sure who I am agreeing with or disagreeing
> >with. LOL I might have had the player's switched. Either way, I
> >doubt that millions of man hours were devoted to looking up the
> >definition of my grandfather's Hebrew name LOL.
>
> I'm referring to scriptural research, not that everything was dedicated to "God
> with us".
>
> But again, it's your major conflict with Christianity that Jesus is the Messiah.
> So, in that respect, I can say that millions of man hours of research directly
> establish Jesus as the Messiah as prophesied..
>
> > Besides it is a
> >common Hebrew name easily looked up. For looking up most names, I
> >suggest "The Complete Dictionary of English and Hebrew First Names" by
> >Alfred J. Kolatch. It is accurate with the Hebrew. It does default
> >to English definitions when a name could be traced to more than one
> >other language.
>
> Like I said, millions of man hours of scriptural research has already
> established the identify of Jesus.
>
to be devoted to establishing the identity of Jesus' because there
were those who were not willing or unable to accept the evidence as
given in the scriptures. Many have accepted teh gift of salvation on
the scriptures as they have been written.
> >`Emanuel is a Hebrew name that means "God is with us" or "God is our
> >protector." Due to the multiple meanings of many Hebrew words, both
> >definitions are correct. In the case of Yshu`a, the Messiah both
> >meanings are accurate descriptions. Yshu`a is referred to in the
> >Greek texts as "Kurios" the Greek word used to translate "Adonai (God
> >the Father)." So, Yshu`a is divine (Most Christians and all Messianic
> >Jews should have gotten that already). So when Messiah lived as a man
> >in Israel, God was with us physically as well as spiritually. Yshu`a
> >gave His life for our redemption from our sins, protecting us from
> >damnation. As is frequently the case with the Hebrew text of the
> >Bible, both definitions are correct.
>
> The divine Yshu'a did not die on the cross.
>
That is true, But when did God the Father cease to be with Jesus
Christ, God the Son?
Surely that was when on the cross Jesus cried, "My God, My God, why
have you forsaken Me" (Matthew 27 : 26. Mark 15 : 34) It was then
that as perfect man He died for the sins of the world. What the
perfect-man Adam (made in the image of God ie perfect as God is
perfect) lost by His disobedience the perfect-man Jesus Christ who
was also perfect God (as His conception came from the Holy Spirit -
the third person of the Triune God) won back by His obedience to His
Father - the first person of the Triune God. .
In His perfection He conquered death, demonstrated by His
resurrection, so that He was/is able to give salvation on His (God's)
terms as the gift of God to those who put their trust in Him.
Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9 We are saved by grace, through faith and that
not of ourselves:
it is the gift of God. Not of works
lest anyone should boast.
Gladys Swager
guardian Snow
> That is true, But when did God the Father cease to be with Jesus
> Christ, God the Son?
> Surely that was when on the cross Jesus cried, "My God, My God, why
> have you forsaken Me" (Matthew 27 : 26. Mark 15 : 34) It was then
> that as perfect man He died for the sins of the world. What the
> perfect-man Adam (made in the image of God ie perfect as God is
> perfect) lost by His disobedience the perfect-man Jesus Christ who
> was also perfect God (as His conception came from the Holy Spirit -
> the third person of the Triune God) won back by His obedience to His
> Father - the first person of the Triune God. .
Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
another, neither my praise to graven images.
There is only ONE.
Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Can we have any doubt that Yehoshua made known the name of YAHWEH, his
Father’s name.
Exo 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to
the children of Yisrael, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of
Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Yaaqoḇ, has sent
me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all
generations.’
The scriptures clearly say without hesitation that the Messiah told us
to pray to,
Mat 6:6 “But you, when you pray, go into your room, and having shut
your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place. And your
Father who sees in secret shall reward you openly.
And you are reward by your Father and you are to worship the
Father...
Joh 4:23 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true
worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the
Father also does seek such to worship Him.
Who forgives our sins?
Mat 6:14 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly
Father shall also forgive you.
So if the Messiah in his earthly reign told us all these things, then
why do people ignore all this and pray and worship the Messiah and not
the Father?
Joh 14:6 Yehoshua said to him, “I am the Way, and the Truth, and the
Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Yes, you were meant to come to THE FATHER.
Psa 105:1 Give thanks to Yahweh! Call upon His Name, Make known His
deeds among the peoples.
Did you make a difference in the world today?
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
'Men have forgotten this truth,' said the fox. 'But you must not
forget it. You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed.'
You are responsible for your rose.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
gladys swager
> Father...
> Joh 4:23 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true
> worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the
> Father also does seek such to worship Him.
> Who forgives our sins?
> Mat 6:14 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly
> Father shall also forgive you.
> So if the Messiah in his earthly reign told us all these things, then
> why do people ignore all this and pray and worship the Messiah and not
> the Father?
> Joh 14:6 Yehoshua said to him, “I am the Way, and the Truth, and the
> Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
> Yes, you were meant to come to THE FATHER.
> Psa 105:1 Give thanks to Yahweh! Call upon His Name, Make known His
> deeds among the peoples.
http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3008/
>
God is Triune in nature, The Father is God, the Son, Jesus Christ is
God in His diety and perfect human in His incarnation by the Holy
Spirit ( Luke 1 : 35) and the Holy Spirit is God, but there are not
three gods - they are in Unity athough they have diferent areas of
responsibility - that is how I would define the Triune God - three
Persons but one in Unity..
> Did you make a difference in the world today?
>
I trust that God through Jesus Christ has directed me in a way that
has made a difference today and will do so in the future in the lives
of others as they come to a truer understanding of the Father's love
for us as shown to us in His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
Gladys Swager
guardian Snow
> I trust that God through Jesus Christ has directed me in a way that
> has made a difference today and will do so in the future in the lives
> of others as they come to a truer understanding of the Father's love
> for us as shown to us in His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
>
> Gladys Swager
One of the names of Baal was G-d.
H1409
גּד
Gawd;g-d
A variation of H1409; Fortune, a Babylonian deity: - that troop.
For some reason it’s translated “that troop” in the KJV. But if we
look at the “variation”:
Notice first that there is NO difference between the two words
characters in Hebrew. Gawd is pronounced god.
Isa 65:11 “But you are those who forsake YAHWEH, who forget My set-
apart mountain, who prepare a table for Gad, and who fill a drink
offering for Meni.
This is the ONLY listing for gawd of furtune in the entire scriptures.
So, next I figure I’ll look into Baal Gad.
H1171
בּעל גּד
ba‛al gâd
bah'-al gawd
From H1168 and H1409; Baal of Fortune; Baal Gad, a place in Syria: -
Baal-gad.
Notice again... same characters for Gawd. Interesting that so many
treat this name as if it’s sacred and type G-d. When you consider the
fact that Hebrew doesn’t have vowels, G-d is exactly what is written.
Notice that the name gawd is in fact Gad as recorded as H1409.
Baal’s name is what the world considers a sacred name! No wonder it
says, “In God we trust” on all the money in the United States.
Jer 12:16 And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the
ways of my people, to swear by my name, YAHWEH liveth; as they taught
my people to swear by Baal; then shall they be built in the midst of
my people.
Jer 12:17 But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and
destroy that nation, saith YAHWEH.
Baal is translated LORD as shown here:
Isa 16:8 the lords1167 of the heathen1471
H1167
בּעל
baal
How many people swear by the false name of “LORD”? The earth,
everyone has been deceived into worship of the Freemasonry elohim
“God”, the world religion. Moses and Abraham are called “Elohim”
translated “God” usually in the KJV and various misleading
translations of scriptures.
Gen 23:5 And the sons of Ḥĕth answered Aḇraham, saying to him, 6
“Hear us, my master [adonai also translated LORD in KJV]: You are a
Elohim [translated mighty in kjv but also GOD] prince among us. Bury
your dead in the choicest of our burial places. None of us withholds
from you his burial site, from burying your dead.”
Here Abraham is also called adonai and Elohim, Lord and God in KJV
translation, the same is used for “Jesus” in the equivalent Greek text
“Kurious and Theos”. He also has the title of Elohim but they
correctly translate the word "mighty" but is usually translated
“God”. Does Yahweh share his name with Abraham now? Of course not.
If you would like to comment on this, feel free to add them to this
web page.
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua/web/removing-the-name-of-yhwh
Shalom,
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If we all worked on the assumption that what is accepted as true is
really true, there would be little hope of advance.
Orville Wright
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If history is any indication, all truths will eventually turn out to
be false.
walksalone
9447-af8...@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
> On Jul 10, 11:41 am, gladys swager <swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
Through but not to snow, the boy is too busy congratulating himself.
>> That is true, But when did God the Father cease to be with Jesus
>> Christ, God the Son?
>> Surely that was when on the cross Jesus cried, "My God, My God, why
>> have you forsaken Me" (Matthew 27 : 26. Mark 15 : 34) It was then
>> that as perfect man He died for the sins of the world. What the
>> perfect-man Adam (made in the image of God ie perfect as God is
>> perfect) lost by His disobedience the perfect-man Jesus Christ who
>> was also perfect God (as His conception came from the Holy Spirit -
>> the third person of the Triune God) won back by His obedience to Hi
> s
>> Father - the first person of the Triune God. .
>
> Isa 42:8 I am YAHWEH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to
> another, neither my praise to graven images.
Not exactly what the passage says, as the audience knows. Apparently Snow
has yet to learn that the majority world does not accept his laudatory
and self-congratulatory version of the Greek Testament nor the Hebrew
Bible.
Now, if we cannot entrust snow with as much information as we, as in the
audience, can handle, and he must alter key passages and there's no
reason to take them seriously at all. After all, he's simply another
false teacher.
> There is only ONE.
There are multiple, until the return of the Babylonian vacation, Judea
was publicly and to a high degree officially polytheistic. Of course, to
discover that requires the ability to read in context using history and
societal sources. Skills that snow apparently does not desire to acquire.
> Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments
> is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
No, that's not what he said. In the 1st place, if you're going to quote
somebody as historical, you need to establish that there are in fact
historical. This you cannot do, and before you decree a lack of evidence
is not evidence of lack, when the evidence to be prolific is missing, one
can connect the dots on their own. Yes, the evidence indicates there was
no Jesus the Christ as planned within the Greek Testaments.
By the way, the above passage, is referred to as a doublet and is a
common theme in propaganda works.
> Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart,
> and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
> strength: this is the first commandment.
Right out of the Big Ten and modified for the current audience. But
Yahweh in Elohim are different aspects of divinity. Elohim is the Council
of Yahweh, after he inherited his portion of humanity from �l.
Deuteronomy 32:8-9
When the Most High (Elyon) allotted peoples for inheritance,
When He divided up humanity,
He fixed the boundaries for peoples,
According to the number of the divine sons;
For Yahweh's portion is his people,
Jacob His own inheritance.
Of course you'd like to pretend this is not what it means, but it does.
> Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no
> doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew:
> Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
> Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart,
> and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
That is not a direct quote in the Hebrew or from the Hebrew.
elohim ?????
1. The usual word for 'god' in the Hebrew Bible is ?l?h�m, a plural formation of ?loah, the latter
being an expanded form of the Common Semitic noun ?il (Eloah), The term ?eloh�m occurs some 2570
times in the Hebrew Bible, with a variety of meanings, In such expressions as "all the gods of Egypt"
(Exod 12:2) it refers to a plurality of deities-without there being a clear distinction between these
gods and their images, Far more frequent is .the use of the plural with reference to a single being
'Chemosh is the ?l?h�m of Moab (1 Kgs 11:33)' the plural here is a plural of excellence or of majesty1,
or so some claim . Though having the generic sense of 'god', the term is also used in an absolute sense
('the god', e.g. Gen 5:22) from which it developed the function of a proper name (God): when an
Israelite suppliant says his soul thirsts for ?l?h�m he is not referring to just any god but to Yahweh the
god of Israel (Ps 42:3), Since the Israelite concept of divinity included all praeternatural beings, also
lower deities (in modern usage referred to as spirits', angels', demons', semi-gods', and the like) may
be called ?l?h�m, Thus the teraphim (Gen 31: 30.32), anonymous heavenly beings (Ps 8:6; LXX oi),
and the spirits of the dead (1 Sam 28:13) are referred to as gods', A metaphorical use of the term-
metaphorical from our point of view-occurs when it is applied to living human beings, such as Moses
(Exod 4:16; 7:1) and the king (Ps 45:7), 0ther Hebrew words for god are el (El) and ?loah. Though
both are used as proper names ("El your father", Gen 49:25; "Can mortal man be righteous before
Eloah", Job 4:17), they can also have generic meaning; in the latter case they are more or less
interchangeable with ?l?h�m. Gods can also be collectively referrd to with the constructions b?n�
?l?h�m (Ps 29:l; 89:7), b?n� Ely�n (Gen 6:2; Job l:6; 2:l; 38:7; cf, Deut 32:8 4QDeut, see Sn l954), or
b?n� Ely�n (Ps 82:6). The latter expression (the sons of Elyon) suggests the possibility that the second
element of the construction be understood as a proper name of a single deity, so that the expressions
compare with Ug and Phoen bn il(m( the sons of El (Mullen l980:ll7-ll9; KAI 0. 26A iii 19, and
commentary in KAI II, p, 43), In view of the Ugaritic formula, the plural ?l?h�m Pss 29:l and 89:7 may
have to be interpreted as the proper name El followed by an enclitic mem. The expression ?dat ?l (the
council of El, Ps 82:1) might be taken in corroboration of that possibility.
2. The main cultures surrounding ancient Israel have each developed special vocables for the
notion of deity, Though these words are currently rendered as god by modern translators, it should
not be assumed that the ancient Near Eastern conceptions of god are in perfect correspondence with
those of modern people lt is therefore essential not to stop short at the mere translation of the terms,
but to probe their significance and connotations by a careful study of the way and the context in
which they have been used, In Egyp� the customary word for god is tr. The word occurs as an element
in the new name Pharaoh gave to Joseph (Gen 4l:45): Zaphenath-paneah, is interpreted by
Egyptologists as dd-pi-tr lw.f-cnh, God has said: he will live.
1. Jo�on/Muraoka � l36d
One would think by now you would prefer to avoid having your ignorance
made public.
Yahweh, is the last official god of Judea and was not known in early
Israelite city states.
> Can we have any doubt that Yehoshua made known the name of YAHWEH, his
> Father’s name.
Can we have any doubt that you are wrong? No, not really.
> Exo 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to
> the children of Yisrael, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of
> Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Yaaqoḇ, has
sent
> me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all
> generations.’
This is the first concrete introduction of Yahweh into the Hebrew
national epic. They're insinuations and implications, primarily using the
word Lord, claiming he was there before. There's no reason to take it
seriously because they all bear earmarks of insertions. Quite possibly,
they are one of the primary reason for the doublets when the priesthood
of Yahweh gained political power.
But inasmuch as you don't even know what Elohim means, why should anyone
take you seriously? They shouldn't, false teachers such as snow are dime
a quintillion.
> The scriptures clearly say without hesitation that the Messiah told us
> to pray to,
No, they don't. I've never seen this in the Avesta, the Vedic cycle, the
Norse cycles, the Egyptian writings, nor in the epic of Gilgamesh.
You haven't a clue what scripture really means do you, nor do you care.
It looks pretty.
> Mat 6:6 “But you, when you pray, go into your room, and having shut
> your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place. And your
> Father who sees in secret shall reward you openly.
And prior to the Babylonian vacation being over in Judea kicked out of a,
in comparison, a life of luxury, that's the way it was. You are pious,
you got to reward in the here and now. But things are changing, text was
being claimed as pious as well as the poop from group, the hot skinny, or
however you would phrase it, in the old way was being phased out for a
new way. One of the keys to this is the placement of the Gospels at the
beginning of the Greek Testament instead of the end where they would
belong and even then, they are out of sequence.
> And you are reward by your Father and you are to worship the
> Father...
My father is dead, as is his father. And someday soon, my children's
father will be dead. That's the cycle of life. Worshiping dead people
seems to be something they do in the middle east, and elsewhere where the
reveal gods of the desert are held in high esteem.
> Joh 4:23 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true
> worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the
> Father also does seek such to worship Him.
Another written after the fact gospel, improperly placed in the beginning
of a series in order to generate the false impression, these came first.
They didn't, those were the writings of Saul. Still, it worked then and
it works now.
> Who forgives our sins?
Hopefully the person you sinned against, that is, if you are man enough
to ask them to forgive you. Otherwise, you can do a guilt transference
thing -- big daddy in the sky will forgive you because, he loves you and
you love him. Nevermind the harm you have done to another persons life
with his so-called sin, as long as big daddy forgives you, you're cool.
> Mat 6:14 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly
> Father shall also forgive you.
Really, my dad was flesh and blood. Can't speak about yours, maybe you
are one of those alien pregnancies come to a nonbiological viable
conclusion.
> So if the Messiah in his earthly reign told us all these things, then
> why do people ignore all this and pray and worship the Messiah and not
> the Father?
Lots of reasons. First of all the majority world does not accept your
warped version of xianity, second of all, the majority of the world does
not xianity is being a viable way to their heaven.
Not to mention, you're totally out of line with the mainstream xianity
approach to divinity. I quite agree with you, only I include your god as
well.
> Joh 14:6 Yehoshua said to him, “I am the Way, and the Truth, and the
> Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
No he didn't, would you care to provide evidence to the contrary?
Historical evidence if you don't mind. Circular logic works for you, but
I'm not you.
> Yes, you were meant to come to THE FATHER.
If that had been the case, I would be there. However due to a very fatal
disease known as lacka, I don't believe you. It's not going to say you
are a liar even though you have lied to the public, is that I will call
you a false teacher even though you have presented yourself as a false
teacher. I flat do not believe you because, you have no credence to do
your inability to support your words, among other things, your vast
ignorance on the subject, as well as your arrogance.
Even more importantly, if any god wants my attention, it knows how to get
it. If a bleater, such as yourself, was to pretend to speak for a god,
then I know already that god would not be worthy of worship should it
exist.
> Psa 105:1 Give thanks to Yahweh! Call upon His Name, Make known His
> deeds among the peoples.
There is a difference between the word Lord and Yahweh that is
incomprehensible to you but not the average individual that has learned
to read in context. Your flights of fancy are only binding on yourself,
and no one else.
Anyone that wants to look up the passage, if by now that's a necessity,
realizes you are not using a standard edition of the Hebrew Bible or the
Greek Testament. You are using your own special edition, and you are
wrong.
> Did you make a difference in the world today?
Probably, but a significant difference? Debatable. Unlike you, I don't
attempt to change people's minds about what they believe, or even why
they believe. Unlike you, I wait for people to come to me and they do.
Sometimes the questions are about the mythology, sometimes the questions
are no more than, how do I get an education in spite of being a high
school graduate in the state of Alabama. The latter question is a tough
one, there is no easy road to education.
Snip self serving advertisements and fable taken out of context.
Now here's another thing you are not an expert on. Yet you pretend to be.
alt.bible,aus.religion.christian,alt.religion.christian.biblestudy,alt.me
ssianic.yeshua,alt.religion.christian.baptist
walksalone who realizes, as well as the audience, snow is incapable of
addressing the points he claims to be able to call fact. But that does
not mean he cannot try, lacks the backbone, well yes, but he could still
try.
Is there, or are there historical Jesus personalities known to
historians? Why yes, and here is a list from the so called first century
era. One of which was even crucified though I don't believe that's the
kernel for the Jesus myth.
Jesus ben Phiabi
Jesus ben Sec
Jesus ben Damneus
Jesus ben Gamaliel
Jesus ben Sirach
Jesus ben Pandira
Jesus ben Ananias.
Jesus ben Saphat
Jesus ben Gamala
Jesus ben Thebuth
Jesus ben Stada
Why crucifixion, why was it reserved for the Romans. Well now you know.
Quintilian (AD 35-95, Decl 274)
'Whenever we crucify the guilty, the most crowded roads are chosen, where
most people can see and be moved by this fear. For penalties relate not
so much to retribution as to their exemplary effect.'
walksalone
> On Jul 10, 5:39 pm, gladys swager <swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
Through but not to snow, he has someone new to pay attention to him.
>> I trust that God through Jesus Christ has directed me in a way that
>> has made a difference today and will do so in the future in the lives
>> of others as they come to a truer understanding of the Father's lov
> e
>> for us as shown to us in His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
>>
>> Gladys Swager
>
> One of the names of Baal was G-d.
No, not god as a singular word, but baal gad. Which is pronounced god.
> H1409
>
> גּד
> Gawd;g-d
>
> A variation of H1409; Fortune, a Babylonian deity: - that troop.
I don't believe you even know where you get your information, but as
usual, you're incorrect. He's not Babylonian in origin, but he is modeled
on a Babylonian god. As are many of the more recent Middle Eastern gods.
> For some reason it’s translated “that troop” in the KJV. But if
> we look at the “variation”:
& where's that passage? Other than in your revised edition that is.
> Notice first that there is NO difference between the two words
> characters in Hebrew. Gawd is pronounced god.
Yo foolish one, Usenet is an ASCII-based communications set up. Special
characters, such as the Hebrew or Greek characters, do not translate into
standard ASCII. The majority of newsreaders, are not UTF-8 compliant. So
in other words, you're just simply pissing against the wind when you try
to show your lack of intelligence. Unless of course, that's what you're
trying to brag on, your lack of intelligence as applied to Usenet.
> Isa 65:11 “But you are those who forsake YAHWEH, who forget My set-
> apart mountain, who prepare a table for Gad, and who fill a drink
> offering for Meni.
Not what it says, if you can't correctly quote the passage, why should
anyone pay attention to you?
> This is the ONLY listing for gawd of furtune in the entire scriptures.
> So, next I figure I’ll look into Baal Gad.
Please do, I won't mind exposing your ignorance on that subject either.
> H1171
> בּעל גּד
> ba‛al gâd
> bah'-al gawd
> From H1168 and H1409; Baal of Fortune; Baal Gad, a place in Syria: -
> Baal-gad.
>
> Notice again... same characters for Gawd. Interesting that so many
Yes, garbage characters. But then, that's appropriate because you're
trying to peddle your garbage.
> treat this name as if it’s sacred and type G-d. When you consider
It's pronounced god, and you have yet to have looked into baal gad.
> the fact that Hebrew doesn’t have vowels, G-d is exactly what is
> written. Notice that the name gawd is in fact Gad as recorded as
> H1409.
Hebrew had spoken vowels but not written bowels, a common feature of the
Semitic-based languages.
> Baal’s name is what the world considers a sacred name! No wonder it
> says, “In God we trust” on all the money in the United States.
No, it's not. Though I can understand your confusion in eagerness to
demonstrate your lack of knowledge about your mythology, you would make
Matt very easy mistake. I don't know where you're taking a correspondence
course from, but I recommend you change sources.
> Jer 12:16 And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the
> ways of my people, to swear by my name, YAHWEH liveth; as they taught
> my people to swear by Baal; then shall they be built in the midst of
> my people.
Yahweh is not even mentioned in that passage.
> Jer 12:17 But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and
> destroy that nation, saith YAHWEH.
Inasmuch is the majority of Judaic prophecy was meant to be a real-time
proxy, or give that impression. In inasmuch as this was written after the
return from a Babylonian vacation, are you worried stupid enough to
believe it's talking about a future event? It's referred to as a post
event prophecy.
> Baal is translated LORD as shown here:
That was one of his many titles, as well as one of the many titles of the
various other gods of Judea and Israel, and Egypt, and Syria, and
Chaldea, and Greece, and Persia, etc.
> Isa 16:8 the lords1167 of the heathen1471
It would help you if you turn up to work more really means, but they
require effort on your part and ignorance is so much easier.
> H1167
> בּעל
> baal
>
> How many people swear by the false name of “LORD”? The earth,
> everyone has been deceived into worship of the Freemasonry elohim
Freemasons do not worship Elohim, so are we to conclude given your rant
against them, you were denied membership in them? I would refer to that
as a good move on their part.
> “God”, the world religion. Moses and Abraham are called
> “Elohim” translated “God” usually in the KJV and various
Only by the such as yourself.
> misleading translations of scriptures.
> Gen 23:5 And the sons of Ḥĕth answered Aḇraham, saying to him, 6
> “Hear us, my master [adonai also translated LORD in KJV]: You are a
> Elohim [translated mighty in kjv but also GOD] prince among us. Bury
> your dead in the choicest of our burial places. None of us withholds
> from you his burial site, from burying your dead.”
That is so full of errors it's comical. You keep forgetting, the audience
has Bibles, as in the xian version which consists of the Hebrew Bible
proper, and the Greek Testaments. They can read for themselves and
notice, that you are attempting to use your special translations and
implications to elevate Abraham to godhood, specifically, a member of the
Council of �l. It doesn't do that.
> Here Abraham is also called adonai and Elohim, Lord and God in
> KJV
> translation, the same is used for “Jesus” in the equivalent Greek
> text “Kurious and Theos”. He also has the title of Elohim but
> they correctly translate the word "mighty" but is usually translated
> “God”. Does Yahweh share his name with Abraham now? Of course
> not.
No, he would never be called Elohim or god. Adonai, which is a euphemism
for Lord, which is a euphemism for either a person of superior social
status than yourself, say the majority of humanity, or a god. Most people
have no problem understanding the differences. What is yours?
> If you would like to comment on this, feel free to add them to this
> web page.
What's wrong with adding to them right here, where you made them up &
public to start with? After all, you wouldn't want your trolling to be
kept private would you? Of course you would, but it's not.
Here is some more of your trolling that is public and will remain so for
the duration. The duration is up to you? Of course it is.
It's called free will on your part.
alt.bible,aus.religion.christian,alt.religion.christian.biblestudy,alt.me
ssianic.yeshua,alt.religion.christian.baptist
walksalone who has long since accepted, that people like snow will
continue to avoid taking responsibility for their conduct in public.
After all, if they did that, they would have to quit trolling and playing
attention whore. But possibly, those are the only two things they have in
their life, it would appear so in Snow's case anyway.
From Scripture:
'He who recites the praise of Holiness, in the fullness of faith and with
a devoted heart, praises me, Ahura Mazda; he praises the waters, he
praises the earth, he praises the cattle, he praises the plants, he
praises all good things made by Mazda, all the things that are the
offspring of the good principle.
Aaron
>On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:32:21 -0400, Aaron <an...@home.net> wrote:
>
>>>Snow, millions of man hours of research by the Christian faith over the last
>>>2000 years confirms that "God with us" is a true translation.
>
>>Well Duke, Now I am not sure who I am agreeing with or disagreeing
>>with. LOL I might have had the player's switched. Either way, I
>>doubt that millions of man hours were devoted to looking up the
>>definition of my grandfather's Hebrew name LOL.
>
>I'm referring to scriptural research, not that everything was dedicated to "God
>with us".
>
>But again, it's your major conflict with Christianity that Jesus is the Messiah.
>So, in that respect, I can say that millions of man hours of research directly
>establish Jesus as the Messiah as prophesied..
???
Yshu`a, whom you refer to as "Jesus" is the Messiah. Christians have
wasted millions of man hours using texts such as the New Testament
that cannot be used as proof. The New Testament cannot be used to
prove that Yshu`a is the Messiah because you don't believe in the New
Testament until after you accpet Yshu`a as Messiah (some people don't
even believe it then).
Yshu`a taught Judaism to Jews in Israel in the Hebrew language.
>
>> Besides it is a
>>common Hebrew name easily looked up. For looking up most names, I
>>suggest "The Complete Dictionary of English and Hebrew First Names" by
>>Alfred J. Kolatch. It is accurate with the Hebrew. It does default
>>to English definitions when a name could be traced to more than one
>>other language.
>
>Like I said, millions of man hours of scriptural research has already
>established the identify of Jesus.
Duke, that is fine (you might have noted the "LOL" above).
The fact is that this guy who is claiming to be an expert is easily
proved to be wrong.
>
>>`Emanuel is a Hebrew name that means "God is with us" or "God is our
>>protector." Due to the multiple meanings of many Hebrew words, both
>>definitions are correct. In the case of Yshu`a, the Messiah both
>>meanings are accurate descriptions. Yshu`a is referred to in the
>>Greek texts as "Kurios" the greek word used to translate "Adonai (God
>>the Father)." So, Yshu`a is divine (Most Christians and all Messianic
>>Jews should have gotten that already). So when Messiah lived as a man
>>in Israel, God was with us physically as well as spiritually. Yshu`a
>>gave His life for our redemption from our sins, protecting us from
>>damnation. As is frequently the case with the Hebrew text of the
>>Bible, both definitions are correct.
>
>The divine Yshu'a did not die on the cross.
I have only heard from Muslims that Isa (Jesus) was killed by Allah
for failing to convert the Jews to islam and the Romans nailed a
corpse to the cross. As you are Catholic, I assume that you mean that
in a different way, but I don't know what you are trying to say.
Messianic Jews see the Parallel with the system of offerings and know
that Messiah took his own life on the execution stake - that no human
being killed Him. Maybe that is what you mean?
>
>The Dukester, American-American
>*****
Aaron
That is wrong on many points.
First, and most importantly:
Divine blood had to be shed to enable atonement to be unrestricted by
time and space. Animal blood, like the nature of the animal, was
restricted to time and place. Divine blood is not resticted by time
and space. So if Messiah was no longer divine when He gave up his
life, no Christian could ever be saved
Second:
sind Yshu`a was divine when he gave up His life, there is not need to
find out when He stopped being Messiah.
Third:
The "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me" is part of the prophecy
of the execution of Messiah found in Pslams.
Fourth:
Aside from the fact that the Bible does not support the Middle
Platonic theory of a triune God (the Bible specifically names four
parts of the Unity of God) there is no basis for your numbering.
The Bible first mentions Elohim (the entire Unity), then the Spirit,
Then YHVH (the Father), then the pre-incarnate Messiah, then the
Shekinah.
>
>In His perfection He conquered death, demonstrated by His
>resurrection, so that He was/is able to give salvation on His (God's)
>terms as the gift of God to those who put their trust in Him.
>Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9 We are saved by grace, through faith and that
>not of ourselves:
> it is the gift of God. Not of works
>lest anyone should boast.
You have the word "pistis" mistranslated as "faith." This is not
surprising since English does not have a single word to translate
"pistis" or its Hebrew equivalent "emmunah."
"Pistis" and "emmunah" both mean "a moral conviction that is strong
enough to determine the choices a paeron makes." I might have "faith"
that a rope bridge is safe, but that does not mean that I will cross
it. If I have "pistis" that it is safe, I will cross. Many people
believe that Yshu`a ("Jesus") is the messiah, but not enough faith to
actually follow His teachings.
>Gladys Swager