Which religion would Jesus choose?
Emma
I read an interesting question:
If Jesus came back today, which religion would he choose?
Where would he choose to worship?
Would he feel most comfortable in a Catholic church,
or an American Fundamentalist church, or Eastern Orthodox,
Anglican, Methodist,Reform Jewish synagoue, Orthodox Jewish,
Jehovahs Witness, Mormon church, Islamic mosque (cough, splutter!),
Sikh temple etc?
--
~~~EMMA~~~
http://www.britsattheirbest.com/
http://uk.alpha.org/
~~~~~~~~~~
Digim...@starpower.net
Probably closest to the liturgical worship in the 2nd Temple would be
Eastern Orthodox, although He would not be worshipping there, He would
be the One worshipped as Messiah!
Padraic Brown
>
>I read an interesting question:
>If Jesus came back today, which religion would he choose?
He would choose the religion with the most hardness of heart and then
seek to melt it back into God's hands! He might even choose a
Christian church. I might prefer that he choose the RCC, if for no
other reason than that it purports to be the fullest of Christ's
churches -- we'll see how well it's doing! How's that?
>Where would he choose to worship?
The Jesus we meet in the gospels wasn't afraid to worship outside the
bounds of traditional religion. Where did he teach his disciples to
pray? In temples and churches? No. He said "But when you pray, go into
your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."
Did Jesus run to church when an issue came up? No, he went out into
the wild lands to talk to God.
In other words, I don't think Jesus would point to *any* religion and
say: "That's the right one!"
>Would he feel most comfortable in a Catholic church,
>or an American Fundamentalist church, or Eastern Orthodox,
>Anglican, Methodist,Reform Jewish synagoue, Orthodox Jewish,
>Jehovahs Witness, Mormon church, Islamic mosque (cough, splutter!),
>Sikh temple etc?
I think he would feel comfortable, and happiest, among any people of
any religion that focus their lives on God, love and serve their
neighbours, and live the great commandments. I am sure he would still
feel most at home with the modern day "tax collectors, prostitutes,
lepers, and assorted chaff of society" that he befriended and lifted
up back in the day. If he came here today, I'm sure he'd head straight
for the nearest homeless shelter or drug dealer "neighbour"hood.
I know you'll get answers "this or that Christian church", because
only the Christian church has his truth; but really, Jesus didn't come
to invent a new religion, or even really do away with or reform
Judaism -- he came to remind us what should be central in our lives --
God -- and then, how to live those lives with love for God at the
center.
Padraic
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randy
"Emma"
> I read an interesting question:
> If Jesus came back today, which religion would he choose?
> Where would he choose to worship?
> Would he feel most comfortable in a Catholic church,
> or an American Fundamentalist church, or Eastern Orthodox,
> Anglican, Methodist,Reform Jewish synagoue, Orthodox Jewish,
> Jehovahs Witness, Mormon church, Islamic mosque (cough, splutter!),
> Sikh temple etc?
Having listened to Walter Martin, Christian experts in the cults, I believe
Jesus would have to conform with solid Christian theology. He would address
the problems in the true churches that allow God's expression in their
midst. Some churches are so "dead" that God cannot speak prophetically from
the pulpit, and do not allow Christians to exercise their gifts in the
church, eg discernment, encouragement, rebuke, giving.
Jesus left this world specifically to be replaced by God's Spirit, so that
our focus will not be on one man, but rather, on God's presence. If
everything we do as Christians is not designed to get God's presence in our
gatherings, our religion is futile and vain.
randy
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>
> "Emma"
>> I read an interesting question:
>> If Jesus came back today, which religion would he choose?
>> Where would he choose to worship?
>
>> Would he feel most comfortable in a Catholic church,
>> or an American Fundamentalist church, or Eastern Orthodox,
>> Anglican, Methodist,Reform Jewish synagoue, Orthodox Jewish,
>> Jehovahs Witness, Mormon church, Islamic mosque (cough, splutter!),
>> Sikh temple etc?
>
> Having listened to Walter Martin, Christian experts in the cults, I
> believe Jesus would have to conform with solid Christian theology.
Tehe!
326. anazao an-ad-zah'-o to recover life (literally or figuratively):--(be
a-)live again, revive.
> He would address the problems in the true churches that allow God's
> expression in their midst. Some churches are so "dead" that God cannot
> speak prophetically from the pulpit, and do not allow Christians to
> exercise their gifts in the church, eg discernment, encouragement, rebuke,
> giving.
>
> Jesus left this world specifically to be replaced by God's Spirit, so that
> our focus will not be on one man, but rather, on God's presence. If
> everything we do as Christians is not designed to get God's presence in
> our gatherings, our religion is futile and vain.
> randy
You keep dancing around the issue, Randy, and By God it will be.
I didnt write that lament in alignment with Gods own purpose to have you and
others rant about "churches" being a bride, like Jesus is going to marry a
multitude of people or something.
Mordecai
Emma wrote:
If JC was the messiah the answer would be Jewish ... and it has nothing to
do with choosing a religion but the necessity of being the messiah.
I know this is not your "real" question and irrelevant to what you are
trying to achieve.
But I though I might drop this in.
Because the NT says that JC will not come back in the way where he will
choose a religion.
--
Mordecai!
When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
saint...@hotmail.com
What did He say to Saint Peter? Thou art a rock and upon this rock I
shall build my church. I am that rock, my Revelation is that Church.
Terry Cross
> If Jesus came back today, which religion would he choose?
> Where would he choose to worship?
>
> Would he feel most comfortable in a Catholic church,
> or an American Fundamentalist church, or Eastern Orthodox,
> Anglican, Methodist,Reform Jewish synagoue, Orthodox Jewish,
> Jehovahs Witness, Mormon church, Islamic mosque (cough, splutter!),
Emma needs a B&B with the Museum of Tolerance.
Tell us, Emma. Why is hating Muslims ethical, in your eyes?
TCross
Terry Cross
spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
> Emma wrote:
> > I read an interesting question:
> > If Jesus came back today, which religion would he choose?
> > Where would he choose to worship?
>
> > Would he feel most comfortable in a Catholic church,
> > or an American Fundamentalist church, or Eastern Orthodox,
> > Anglican, Methodist,Reform Jewish synagoue, Orthodox Jewish,
> > Jehovahs Witness, Mormon church, Islamic mosque (cough, splutter!),
> > Sikh temple etc?
>
> > --
> > ~~~EMMA~~~
> >http://www.britsattheirbest.com/
> >http://uk.alpha.org/
> > ~~~~~~~~~~
>
> If JC was the messiah the answer would be Jewish ...
Why would it be so different this time, Mordecai? Jesus told the
world what he thought of Judaism the first time around.
Matthew 23 (King James Version)
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;
but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them
on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of
their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad
their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the
synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi,
Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ;
and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father,
which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that
shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut
up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves,
neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour
widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye
shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass
sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him
twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by
the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of
the temple, he is a debtor!
17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the
temple that sanctifieth the gold?
18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but
whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar
that sanctifieth the gift?
20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by
all things thereon.
21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him
that dwelleth therein.
22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God,
and by him that sitteth thereon.
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe
of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters
of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done,
and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean
the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of
extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup
and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like
unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are
within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye
are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build
the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the
righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not
have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the
children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the
damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and
scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them
shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to
city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the
earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias
son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this
generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and
stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered
thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her
wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall
say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
I doubt he has changed his mind.
TCross
Mordecai
Terry Cross wrote:
Well it seems that if he did come - like this passage, then we would say
"blessed is he who comes in the name of the l_rd."
IOW this very passage says it is going to be different this time.
And the the proof? Why jerusalem is no longer desolate - so the times, they
are a changing.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention -and the postitive change in
the relationship betwen jews and JC - and that he himself says he will
return to us.
Terry Cross
After the crimes Israel has committed against the people of Palestine
through the terrorist Stern gang and Urgun, Israel may be just as
desolate as when Jesus spoke. And incidentally, Jesus clearly
indicated he was not interested in a brick of gold or a knapsack of
uncut diamonds.
> Thank you for bringing this to our attention -and the postitive change in
> the relationship betwen jews and JC - and that he himself says he will
> return to us.
I do not speak for Jesus. I reckon he will pick his own friends when
he arrives. But I do not think his friendship can be taken for
granted.
TCross
randy
"Azure Kite"
randy
>> Having listened to Walter Martin, Christian experts in the cults, I
>> believe Jesus would have to conform with solid Christian theology.
> Tehe!
> 326. anazao an-ad-zah'-o to recover life (literally or figuratively):--(be
> a-)live again, revive.
I don't understand this. What are you trying to say?
>> He would address the problems in the true churches that allow God's
>> expression in their midst. Some churches are so "dead" that God cannot
>> speak prophetically from the pulpit, and do not allow Christians to
>> exercise their gifts in the church, eg discernment, encouragement,
>> rebuke, giving.
>> Jesus left this world specifically to be replaced by God's Spirit, so
>> that our focus will not be on one man, but rather, on God's presence. If
>> everything we do as Christians is not designed to get God's presence in
>> our gatherings, our religion is futile and vain.
> You keep dancing around the issue, Randy, and By God it will be.
> I didnt write that lament in alignment with Gods own purpose to have you
> and others rant about "churches" being a bride, like Jesus is going to
> marry a multitude of people or something.
What "lament" are you talking about? Frankly, I don't know what you believe
and what religion you belong to. I was only addressing a hypothetical
question Emma raised. I wasn't "dancing around" anything.
randy
Azure Kite
If you dont know what I believe after 8 years of my postings on these
groups, I am not really interested in adding anything else here.Of course,
alot of it was typical tit for tat trolling behaviour, but I gave that up a
while back.
Bye now!
Emma
>
>On 26 Mar 2008 10:20:01 -0700, Emma <em...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>I read an interesting question:
>>If Jesus came back today, which religion would he choose?
>
>He would choose the religion with the most hardness of heart and then
>seek to melt it back into God's hands! He might even choose a
>Christian church. I might prefer that he choose the RCC, if for no
>other reason than that it purports to be the fullest of Christ's
>churches -- we'll see how well it's doing! How's that?
I think that's a good answer.
He was interested in reform, so yes, I think he
would be trying to change things.
>>Where would he choose to worship?
>
>The Jesus we meet in the gospels wasn't afraid to worship outside the
>bounds of traditional religion. Where did he teach his disciples to
>pray? In temples and churches? No. He said "But when you pray, go into
>your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."
>
>Did Jesus run to church when an issue came up? No, he went out into
>the wild lands to talk to God.
>
>In other words, I don't think Jesus would point to *any* religion and
>say: "That's the right one!"
He did worship in the Temple though, Padraic.
Although I think you're right in that he
did show us that God is very personal, and so he prayed
everywhere.
>>Would he feel most comfortable in a Catholic church,
>>or an American Fundamentalist church, or Eastern Orthodox,
>>Anglican, Methodist,Reform Jewish synagoue, Orthodox Jewish,
>>Jehovahs Witness, Mormon church, Islamic mosque (cough, splutter!),
>>Sikh temple etc?
>
>I think he would feel comfortable, and happiest, among any people of
>any religion that focus their lives on God, love and serve their
>neighbours, and live the great commandments. I am sure he would still
>feel most at home with the modern day "tax collectors, prostitutes,
>lepers, and assorted chaff of society" that he befriended and lifted
>up back in the day. If he came here today, I'm sure he'd head straight
>for the nearest homeless shelter or drug dealer "neighbour"hood.
Yes, I agree.
I think he would join with people who are involved
in helping the less fortunate.
>I know you'll get answers "this or that Christian church", because
>only the Christian church has his truth; but really, Jesus didn't come
>to invent a new religion, or even really do away with or reform
>Judaism -- he came to remind us what should be central in our lives --
>God -- and then, how to live those lives with love for God at the
>center.
>
True: "Love God and love your neighbour as yourself"
Emma
Terry Cross says...
Where did I say hating Muslims is ethical?
Emma
Don't you think he would be concerned about reforming
the dead churches though, Randy?
I know my own denomination is far too happy to allow
its dead churches to remain dead. I think Jesus
would be trying to breathe life into them again.
Emma
>
>
>If JC was the messiah the answer would be Jewish ... and it has nothing to
>do with choosing a religion but the necessity of being the messiah.
>I know this is not your "real" question and irrelevant to what you are
>trying to achieve.
>But I though I might drop this in.
I understand what you're saying.
>Because the NT says that JC will not come back in the way where he will
>choose a religion.
>
Well when he was here the first time, I would describe him as
having been a conservative minded Reform Jew.
The question is, what sort of faith did he envisage
for his Great Commission? Which one comes closest?
Emma
Digim...@starpower.net says...
>
>On Mar 26, 1:20=A0pm, Emma <e...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> I read an interesting question:
>> If Jesus came back today, which religion would he choose?
>> Where would he choose to worship?
>>
>> Would he feel most comfortable in a Catholic church,
>> or an American Fundamentalist church, or Eastern Orthodox,
>> Anglican, Methodist,Reform Jewish synagoue, Orthodox Jewish,
>> Jehovahs Witness, Mormon church, Islamic mosque (cough, splutter!),
>> Sikh temple etc?
>>
>> --
>> ~~~EMMA~~~http://www.britsattheirbest.com/http://uk.alpha.org/
>> ~~~~~~~~~~
>
>Probably closest to the liturgical worship in the 2nd Temple would be
>Eastern Orthodox
Gosh, it's closest to the Temple worship?
Mordecai
Emma wrote:
> In article <47EACD83...@internode.on.net>, please dont spam says...
> >
> >
> >If JC was the messiah the answer would be Jewish ... and it has nothing to
> >do with choosing a religion but the necessity of being the messiah.
> >I know this is not your "real" question and irrelevant to what you are
> >trying to achieve.
> >But I though I might drop this in.
>
> I understand what you're saying.
>
> >Because the NT says that JC will not come back in the way where he will
> >choose a religion.
> >
>
> Well when he was here the first time, I would describe him as
> having been a conservative minded Reform Jew.
> The question is, what sort of faith did he envisage
> for his Great Commission? Which one comes closest?
>
The great commission?
Never believed it - I have no idea who made this doctrine but it is ridiculous.
It was a command given to ..
a) the entire christian church?
b) All the believers at the time?
c) The people he actually spoke to?
I choose c) the people he actually spoke to - who were ... let me see, church
builders.
For all my disagreements, probably the Jehovah's witnesses would be the closest
to the picture that JC desired.
And no, I do not agree with their doctrines.
saint...@hotmail.com
> In article <47EACD83.880AE...@internode.on.net>, please dont spam says...
>
>
>
> >If JC was the messiah the answer would be Jewish ... and it has nothing to
> >do with choosing a religion but the necessity of being the messiah.
> >I know this is not your "real" question and irrelevant to what you are
> >trying to achieve.
> >But I though I might drop this in.
>
> I understand what you're saying.
>
> >Because the NT says that JC will not come back in the way where he will
> >choose a religion.
>
> Well when he was here the first time, I would describe him as
> having been a conservative minded Reform Jew.
YOU ARE A DINGBAT!!!
randy
"Azure Kite"
randy
>>> You keep dancing around the issue, Randy, and By God it will be.
>>> I didnt write that lament in alignment with Gods own purpose to have you
>>> and others rant about "churches" being a bride, like Jesus is going to
>>> marry a multitude of people or something.
>> What "lament" are you talking about? Frankly, I don't know what you
>> believe and what religion you belong to. I was only addressing a
>> hypothetical question Emma raised. I wasn't "dancing around" anything.
> If you dont know what I believe after 8 years of my postings on these
> groups, I am not really interested in adding anything else here.Of course,
> alot of it was typical tit for tat trolling behaviour, but I gave that up
> a while back.
> Bye now!
I'm glad you got over the "trolling" stuff. Sounds like you would be more
interesting to discuss things with now. Too bad.
randy
Emma
>
>
>For all my disagreements, probably the Jehovah's witnesses would be the closest
>to the picture that JC desired.
Blimey! :-) What? Long winded? Pushy? Love the sound of their
own voice? All that strange stuff about blood transfusions
and the even stranger "God's elect"?
Actually, I've had a nice conversation with a Jehovahs Witness
before now, and I don't agree with being nasty to them,
or even rude, but I'm afraid I can't agree with you
Mordecai.
It's dodgy stuff indeed. A pregnant woman here died recently
rather than have a blood transfusion. Terribly sad :-(
Digim...@starpower.net
>
> - Show quoted text -
He never said He hated Judaism, He hated those that said they
practiced it and in reality did not. What He hated were hypocrites,,,
Digim...@starpower.net
> In article <4c10fe2b-a3fb-41c7-a33d-36236770b...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Digimor...@starpower.net says...
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes it is...other than the animal sacrifices.
Mordecai
Emma wrote:
I did not say I liked them.
Nor did I say I agreed with them - I said they were probably the closest thing to
what JC wanted.
They are still far enough away from what JC wanted that it makes little difference.
They have thrown out much of the ideas of the church which ought to be thrown out -
and have some of the ideas which the church needs.
They also have lots of ideas which ought to be written up in the funnies.
The blood transfusion thing is indeed terribly sad.
Mordecai
"Digim...@starpower.net" wrote:
I do hope that you realize this says JC cannot return (be seen by the Jews)
until they have changed and decided to say "blessed is he who comes in the
name of the L_rd?"
And that this is not an "if" statement but a "when" statement.
BTW - Terry gave the lie of the muslims - I hope you realize it.
She noted that the most high has blessed israel and recreated it.
Muslims claim that the promises of Israel were removed (for disobedience) and
passed to them was accepted as the basis of their religion.
When they saw that the most high had decided to bless Israel - they said in
their soul "See - the land has been restored and the Jews are blessed - come
let us slay them so we can continue with our use of their land" and in this
deceit - they have decided to fight the most high (allah) and destroy the
Jews - to regain their "rightful place" i.e. with the Jews cast out.
She thinks that she can lie to the most high? LOL. She thinks she can fight
the most high?
Ah - Muslims can and have ... and will again - and they will suffer the
consequences ... in their defeats - and also in their victory should it
occur.
Islam is being judged - and I fear it will be utterly destroyed.
But that is the choice of the leaders in Islam and there is nothing I can do
as it is between them and the most high.
It is obvious to me that the most high has decided to test Islam and is using
his own creation of the land of Israel to do it ... and Islam is failing
this test.
And there is nothing I can do except watch the way of the most high in
action.
And grieve.
Digim...@starpower.net
spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
I agree Mordecai
bob young
Emma wrote:
> I read an interesting question:
> If Jesus came back today, which religion would he choose?
> Where would he choose to worship?
>
> Would he feel most comfortable in a Catholic church,
> or an American Fundamentalist church, or Eastern Orthodox,
> Anglican, Methodist,Reform Jewish synagoue, Orthodox Jewish,
> Jehovahs Witness, Mormon church, Islamic mosque (cough, splutter!),
> Sikh temple etc?
Emma, this is the kind of thought pattern some atheists use when
studying religions.
A good many pour scorn on the variables they find, for example, in the
Christian belief as you detail above.
Then the only conclusion they can reach is;
'were there really an all powerful god,
such a confusing collection of variables would hardly be allowed to
exist'.
Bob
I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do
because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
[Susan B Anthony, reformer and suffragist (1820-1906)]
Terry Cross
> Emma wrote:
> > I read an interesting question:
> > If Jesus came back today, which religion would he choose?
> > Where would he choose to worship?
>
> > Would he feel most comfortable in a Catholic church,
> > or an American Fundamentalist church, or Eastern Orthodox,
> > Anglican, Methodist,Reform Jewish synagoue, Orthodox Jewish,
> > Jehovahs Witness, Mormon church, Islamic mosque (cough, splutter!),
> > Sikh temple etc?
>
> Emma, this is the kind of thought pattern some atheists use when
> studying religions.
> A good many pour scorn on the variables they find, for example, in the
> Christian belief as you detail above.
>
> Then the only conclusion they can reach is;
> 'were there really an all powerful god,
> such a confusing collection of variables would hardly be allowed to
> exist'.
Do you imagine that a good king would forbid too many kinds of
clothes, too many colors, and too many languages? The picture is
preposterous. What kind of mind presumes that ultimate power
necessitates ultimate dictatorship?
Certain it is that a bossy God is disproven by the existence of the
world. Jehovah is impossible, fretting, worrying, coveting the
worshipers of other gods, raging, and hating - in every way far from
the creator of the universe. If Jehovah were God, of course he would
insist on the "One Church" with death to all others.
If that is your only model of God, then certainly your stance in
Atheism is reasonable. But it is also pitifully parochial.
TCross
Emma
>
>
>
>Emma wrote:
>
>> I read an interesting question:
>> If Jesus came back today, which religion would he choose?
>> Where would he choose to worship?
>>
>> Would he feel most comfortable in a Catholic church,
>> or an American Fundamentalist church, or Eastern Orthodox,
>> Anglican, Methodist,Reform Jewish synagoue, Orthodox Jewish,
>> Jehovahs Witness, Mormon church, Islamic mosque (cough, splutter!),
>> Sikh temple etc?
>
>Emma, this is the kind of thought pattern some atheists use when
>studying religions.
>A good many pour scorn on the variables they find, for example, in the
>Christian belief as you detail above.
>
>Then the only conclusion they can reach is;
>'were there really an all powerful god,
>such a confusing collection of variables would hardly be allowed to
>exist'.
>
Yes, they do say that, Bob, but I don't know why
they say that. The diversity in the world doesn't
cause me to question the belief in the existence
of God.
Now suffering is a different thing. I do have a problem
with that sometimes.
cactus
> On Apr 16, 9:56 pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>> Emma wrote:
>>> I read an interesting question:
>>> If Jesus came back today, which religion would he choose?
>>> Where would he choose to worship?
>>> Would he feel most comfortable in a Catholic church,
>>> or an American Fundamentalist church, or Eastern Orthodox,
>>> Anglican, Methodist,Reform Jewish synagoue, Orthodox Jewish,
>>> Jehovahs Witness, Mormon church, Islamic mosque (cough, splutter!),
>>> Sikh temple etc?
>> Emma, this is the kind of thought pattern some atheists use when
>> studying religions.
>> A good many pour scorn on the variables they find, for example, in the
>> Christian belief as you detail above.
>>
>> Then the only conclusion they can reach is;
>> 'were there really an all powerful god,
>> such a confusing collection of variables would hardly be allowed to
>> exist'.
>
> Do you imagine that a good king would forbid too many kinds of
> clothes, too many colors, and too many languages? The picture is
> preposterous. What kind of mind presumes that ultimate power
> necessitates ultimate dictatorship?
Yes. Japan kept foreigners out for 300 years, refused to use firearms,
and had some of the strictest sumptuary laws in history. Japan at the
time was not a democracy, so it was the king who did it.
bob young
Terry Cross wrote:
> On Apr 16, 9:56 pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > Emma wrote:
> > > I read an interesting question:
> > > If Jesus came back today, which religion would he choose?
> > > Where would he choose to worship?
> >
> > > Would he feel most comfortable in a Catholic church,
> > > or an American Fundamentalist church, or Eastern Orthodox,
> > > Anglican, Methodist,Reform Jewish synagoue, Orthodox Jewish,
> > > Jehovahs Witness, Mormon church, Islamic mosque (cough, splutter!),
> > > Sikh temple etc?
> >
> > Emma, this is the kind of thought pattern some atheists use when
> > studying religions.
> > A good many pour scorn on the variables they find, for example, in the
> > Christian belief as you detail above.
> >
> > Then the only conclusion they can reach is;
> > 'were there really an all powerful god,
> > such a confusing collection of variables would hardly be allowed to
> > exist'.
>
> Do you imagine that a good king would forbid too many kinds of
> clothes, too many colors, and too many languages?
totally different - way off target
> The picture is
> preposterous. What kind of mind presumes that ultimate power
> necessitates ultimate dictatorship?
Ask Hitler
>
>
> Certain it is that a bossy God is disproven by the existence of the
> world.
Arrant rubbish.
> Jehovah is impossible, fretting, worrying, coveting the
> worshipers of other gods, raging, and hating - in every way far from
> the creator of the universe. If Jehovah were God, of course he would
> insist on the "One Church" with death to all others.
Which was my point
bob young
Emma wrote:
> In article <4806D75D...@netvigator.com>, bob young says...
> >
> >
> >
> >Emma wrote:
> >
> >> I read an interesting question:
> >> If Jesus came back today, which religion would he choose?
> >> Where would he choose to worship?
> >>
> >> Would he feel most comfortable in a Catholic church,
> >> or an American Fundamentalist church, or Eastern Orthodox,
> >> Anglican, Methodist,Reform Jewish synagoue, Orthodox Jewish,
> >> Jehovahs Witness, Mormon church, Islamic mosque (cough, splutter!),
> >> Sikh temple etc?
> >
> >Emma, this is the kind of thought pattern some atheists use when
> >studying religions.
> >A good many pour scorn on the variables they find, for example, in the
> >Christian belief as you detail above.
> >
> >Then the only conclusion they can reach is;
> >'were there really an all powerful god,
> >such a confusing collection of variables would hardly be allowed to
> >exist'.
> >
>
> Yes, they do say that, Bob, but I don't know why
> they say that. The diversity in the world doesn't
> cause me to question the belief in the existence
> of God.
Of course it doesn't it was diversity within Christianity that I was
referring to.
The the ball is well and truly in God's court
>
> Now suffering is a different thing. I do have a problem
> with that sometimes.
Yes, this springs to mind:
'Should a mother having just given birth to a mentally crippled child
clasp it to her breast and thank God?