IS CHRIST _REALLY_ ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD?
Linda Lee
Mark 16:19, "So then after the Lord [Yahashua` the Messiah] had spoken
unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand
of God".
Many people are confused to hear that Christ is on the right hand of
God and take this idiom literally in order to claim that Christ was
not God.
"God is a spirit" (John 4:24), so of course the Messiah is not
literally at God's physical right hand because God is not a physical
being and has no physical 'right hand'.
CHRIST, the Messiah and Saviour, at God's right hand is an idiom
meaning Christ is God's righteousness and salvation as in the
Scriptures God's right hand contains righteousness and salvation:
Psa 98:1 <A Psalm.> O sing unto the LORD a new song; for he hath done
marvellous things: HIS RIGHT HAND, and his holy arm, hath GOTTEN HIM
THE VICTORY [from 'yasha – meaning salvation].
Psa 108:5-6 Be thou exalted, O God, above the heavens: and thy glory
above all the earth; That thy beloved may be delivered: SAVE WITH THY
RIGHT HAND, and answer me.
Psa 138:7 Though I walk in the midst of trouble, thou wilt revive me:
thou shalt stretch forth thine hand against the wrath of mine enemies,
and THY RIGHT HAND SHALL SAVE ME.
Psa 18:35 Thou hast also given me the shield of THY SALVATION: AND
THY RIGHT HAND HATH HOLDEN ME up, and thy gentleness hath made me
great.
Psa 20:6 Now know I that the LORD saveth his anointed [King David];
he will hear him from his holy heaven with the SAVING STRENGTH OF HIS
RIGHT HAND.
Psa 17:7 Shew thy marvellous lovingkindness, O thou that SAVEST BY
THY RIGHT HAND them which put their trust in thee from those that rise
up against them.
Isa 41:10 Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I
am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I WILL
UPHOLD THEE WITH THE RIGHT HAND OF MY RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Psa 48:10 According to thy name, O God, so is thy praise unto the
ends of the earth: THY RIGHT HAND IS FULL OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.
SALVATION IS TIED TO GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS in Christ as the Saviour:
Isa 59:16 And he [GOD] saw that there was no man, and wondered that
there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought SALVATION UNTO
HIM; AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, it sustained him.
Isa 59:17 For he put on RIGHTEOUSNESS as a breastplate, and an helmet
of SALVATION upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance
for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke. [God incarnate as the
SAVIOR.]
Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for
MY SALVATION IS NEAR TO COME, AND MY RIGHTEOUSNESS TO BE REVEALED.
Jer 23:6 In his [the MESSIAH'S] days Judah shall be saved, and Israel
shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called,
THE LORD [YHWH – current name of God in the Hebrew Scriptures] OUR
RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Jer 33:15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the BRANCH OF
RIGHTEOUSNESS to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and
righteousness in the land.
Ike E 2009
"Linda Lee" <lindag...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> IS CHRIST _REALLY_ ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD?
> Mark 16:19, "So then after the Lord [Yahashua` the Messiah] had spoken
> unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand
> of God".
Not only was He at the right hand of God, but He was THERE while He was HERE
at THE SAME TIME.
Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from
heaven, even the Son of man WHICH IS IN heaven.
Not "will be." Not "was."
"IS."
> Many people are confused to hear that Christ is on the right hand of
> God and take this idiom literally in order to claim that Christ was
> not God.
It is literal, AND figurative, AND spiritual, all at the same time.
Mr 12:35-37
And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the
scribes that Christ is the Son of David?
For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit
thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son?
And the common people heard him gladly.
Hmmm.
David is Jesus' lord, and Jesus is David's Lord at the same time.
Seems to be more to this "Lord" thing than you understand. Maybe you
shouldn't be teaching what you don't understand.
Oh, silly me: Look who I'm talking to.
Ike
guardian Snow
> Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from
> heaven, even the Son of man WHICH IS IN heaven.
To say that Yehoshua is not on the right hand, a servant who cried out
to his deity is to deny all the good news which is no surprise coming
from the source within Linda. Like Satan, she is attempting to get
you to deny the words of Yehoshua.
I find your interpretation interesting. If we are speaking of the
SPIRIT then of course I would not argue your point Ike. The spirit is
everywhere, not just in the Messiah or in heaven but in all places
which is why the word can also be translated into an elemental form of
"wind".
2Pe 1:21 for prophecy never came by the desire of man, but men of
Elohim spoke, being moved by the Set-apart Spirit.
This same spirit is within YOU. It has been in many men as recorded by
scriptures.
Joh 17:20 “And I do not pray for these alone, but also for those
believing in Me through their word,
Joh 17:21 so that they all might be one, as You, Father, are in Me,
and I in You, so that they too might be one in Us, so that the world
might believe that You have sent Me.
Joh 17:22 “And the esteem which You gave Me I have given them, so that
they might be one as We are one,
That all men can be ONE with the spirit is something I have encouraged
as a belief system but if you are trying to tell me that his physical
manifestation of his body is in more than one place, I disagree.
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
I would disagree simply on the grounds that Yehoshua was the seed of
Eve according to the original promise in Genesis 3. So, while he is
pre-existant as the promised one of YAHWEH and spiritually he is one
with YAHWEH, the ALMIGHTY YAHWEH, is not a man that is limited to the
being of one body or being in one place at one time.
Simply put.. when the physical manifestation of Yehoshua was in
Jerusalem, it does not mean that YAHWEH was not in all places. When
the body of the Messiah died, YAHWEH did not die for the spirit is not
capable of this for it is not death but the Messiah, Yehoshua his Son
was esteemed of the Father.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Yehoshua of Nazareth, a
man approved of YHWH among you by miracles and wonders and signs,
which YHWH did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and
foreknowledge of YHWH, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have
crucified and slain:
Act 2:24 Whom YHWH hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death:
because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Scriptures clearly speak of YHWH raising the Messiah, the dead are not
capable of rising themselves by definition, lest we deny he gave up
his spirit.
The distinction does not say that he was not one with Yahweh as he
clearly manifested the spirit, it simply recognizes that LIFE IS IN
THE SPIRIT, NOT THE FLESH.
Joh 6:63 “It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh does not profit
at all. The words that I speak to you are Spirit and are life.
Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
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download of the Restored Names King James Version
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Zadok
"Ike E 2009" <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote in message ...
SAME TIME.
>
> Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from
> heaven, even the Son of man WHICH IS IN heaven.
Yet, the fairy tales in the OT tell us that Elijiah went to Heaven in a
chariot of fire,
YET, John says no man hath ascended to Heaven, but he that came down.
It's like the redactors of the NT had no clue what the fuck they were
saying.
> > Many people are confused to hear that Christ is on the right hand of
> > God and take this idiom literally in order to claim that Christ was
> > not God.
>
> It is literal, AND figurative, AND spiritual, all at the same time.
That's like saying something is real, but also a MYTH, and also a fairy
tale,
all at the same time.
But it allows religionists like Ike the ignorant, to twist it anyway they
want.
What did the bible say, about how we should treat Ike's idiotic theories.
Oh yes -
Psalm 126: 2 - Our mouths were filled with laughter,
Smile.
duke
wrote:
>
>"Linda Lee" <lindag...@juno.com> wrote in message
>news:a42b2f8e-074a-45a3...@z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>> IS CHRIST _REALLY_ ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD?
>
>> Mark 16:19, "So then after the Lord [Yahashua` the Messiah] had spoken
>> unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand
>> of God".
>
>Not only was He at the right hand of God, but He was THERE while He was HERE
>at THE SAME TIME.
>
>Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from
>heaven, even the Son of man WHICH IS IN heaven.
Some say yes, some are silent.
John 3:13 (New International Version)
13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven�the Son
of Man.[a]
Footnotes:
a.John 3:13 Some manuscripts Man, who is in heaven
Are you going to hang your hat on this version or that version, when you can't
know one way or the other.
After all, the bible is not a novel, ike.
>> Many people are confused to hear that Christ is on the right hand of
>> God and take this idiom literally in order to claim that Christ was
>> not God.
>It is literal, AND figurative, AND spiritual, all at the same time.
>Mr 12:35-37
>
> And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the
>scribes that Christ is the Son of David?
> For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit
>thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
> David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son?
> And the common people heard him gladly.
>
>Hmmm.
>
>David is Jesus' lord, and Jesus is David's Lord at the same time.
>
>Seems to be more to this "Lord" thing than you understand. Maybe you
>shouldn't be teaching what you don't understand.
Or you're making a mountain out of a molehill.
>Oh, silly me: Look who I'm talking to.
Oh, silly me: Look who I'm talking to.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
duke
>
>"Ike E 2009" <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote in message ...
>SAME TIME.
>> Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from
>> heaven, even the Son of man WHICH IS IN heaven.
>Yet, the fairy tales in the OT tell us that Elijiah went to Heaven in a
>chariot of fire,
>YET, John says no man hath ascended to Heaven, but he that came down.
>It's like the redactors of the NT had no clue what the fuck they were
>saying.
Much more like YOU have no idea what's going on.
Jesus ascended, Elijiah was lifted (but not by fiery chariot). Ah, how those
fancy ideas and words challenge your shallow mind.
Toodles, dummy.
Smile.
Linda Lee
wrote:
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a42b2f8e-074a-45a3...@z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
> > IS CHRIST _REALLY_ ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD?
> > Mark 16:19, "So then after the Lord [Yahashua` the Messiah] had spoken
> > unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand
> > of God".
>
> Not only was He at the right hand of God, but He was THERE while He was HERE
> at THE SAME TIME.
>
> Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from
> heaven, even the Son of man WHICH IS IN heaven.
> Lying Ike
Christ being on God's 'right hand' means GOD AS CHRIST IS THE
RIGHTEOUS SAVIOUR.
God is a Spirit (John 4:24), God is not a physical being. John 3:13
means the SPIRIT of Yahashua` the Messiah (which is the Holy Spirit)
that was in Heaven while his body was on the Earth. This does not
change the fact that God the Spirit does not have a literal "right
hand", but then you always miss the point.
You try to deny and hide the fact that the Hebrew Scriptures
repeatedly point out that God's 'right hand' is speaking of God's
righteousness and salvation, i.e. God as the Saviour, Christ being on
God's 'right hand' meaning GOD AS CHRIST IS THE RIGHTEOUS SAVIOUR in
the NT (in other words, Christ is God incarnate as our Saviour)
because you are a child of the Devil, the father of lies.
Neither you nor your male chauvinist buddy Snowjob really care about
or believe what you preach.
You Ike lie about what I believe (falsely claiming that I deny the
deity of the Messiah and that I claim we are able to obey the Ten
Commandments without the help of Christ's righteousness), but
hypocritically exempts your buddy Snowjob whom you know DOES deny the
deity of the Messiah and falsely claims we should be able to and must
obey the Ten Commandments of our own will.
You, like the hypocritical little satan that you are, repeatedly and
deliberately give false witness about others, lying about what others
believe and attacking them on a daily basis, calling everyone filthy
names. The only one you seem to exempt from your daily attacks is your
male chauvinist buddy Snowjob who joins you in accusing Christians
daily, calling them names and hypocritically judging them that they
are judgmental of others.
You aren't even sincere about what you claim to hate, let alone what
you claim to believe. The only things you two have in common is that
you are both children of the Devil, control-freak male chauvinists,
liars, and hypocrites who don't really give a damn about the
Scriptures you claim to preach.
Christ being on God's 'right hand' means GOD AS CHRIST IS THE
RIGHTEOUS SAVIOUR.
As to my original post containing all the biblical evidence that God's
"right hand" means God's righteousness and salvation (i.e. God
incarnate as the Saviour), which truth you've deleted as always, it
follows:
IS CHRIST _REALLY_ ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD?
Mark 16:19, "So then after the Lord [Yahashua` the Messiah] had spoken
unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand
of God".
Many people are confused to hear that Christ is on the right hand of
God and take this idiom literally in order to claim that Christ was
not God.
"God is a spirit" (John 4:24), so of course the Messiah is not
Linda Lee
> On Oct 28, 2:01 pm, "Ike E 2009" <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from
> > heaven, even the Son of man WHICH IS IN heaven.
>
> To say that Yehoshua is not on the right hand, a servant who cried out
> to his deity is to deny all the good news which is no surprise coming
> from the source within Linda. Like Satan, she is attempting to get
> you to deny the words of Yehoshua.
>
Hypocrite Antichrist Snowjob,
Christ being on God's 'right hand' means GOD AS CHRIST IS THE
RIGHTEOUS SAVIOUR.
I see you're stalking me in yet another thread. Soon you'll be lying
how you're always begging me not to post to you. You think you can
post as you please and prevent others from replying to your garbage by
false claims they're stalking you. Oh well, you just prove yourself to
be a liar and hypocrite.
As to your usual idiotic interpretation of the Scriptures, it is you
who is always pointing out that "God is a Spirit" in your claims
Christ is not God incarnate, but now suddenly you claim God is
physical and has a physical location and a physical right hand so you
can try to take literally the idiom 'Christ at God's right hand' to
deny Christ is God. You are always the liar and hypocrite.
God is a Spirit (John 4:24), God is not a physical being and God the
Spirit does not have a 'physical right hand'.
You try to deny and hide the fact that the Hebrew Scriptures
repeatedly point out that God's 'right hand' is speaking of God's
righteousness and salvation, i.e. God as the Saviour, Christ being on
God's 'right hand' meaning GOD AS CHRIST IS THE RIGHTEOUS SAVIOUR in
the NT (in other words, Christ is God incarnate as our Saviour)
because you are a child of the Devil, the father of lies, whose goal
is to deny that God was incarnate as the Saviour.
Neither you nor your male chauvinist buddy Ike really care about or
believe what you preach.
Ike lies about what I believe (falsely claiming that I deny the deity
of the Messiah and that I claim we are able to obey the Ten
Commandments without the help of Christ's righteousness), but
hypocritically exempts you Snowjob whom he knows DOES deny the deity
of the Messiah and falsely claims we should be able to and must obey
the Ten Commandments of our own will.
You, like the hypocritical little satan that you are, accuse
Christians daily, calling them names and judging them that they are
judgmental of others, yet you exempt your buddy, the self-professed
Christian Ike, who is as judgmental as they come and adds to that
fault by repeatedly and deliberately giving false witness about
others, lying about what others believe and attacking them on a daily
basis, calling everyone filthy names.
You aren't even sincere about what you claim to hate, let alone what
you claim to believe. The only things you two have in common is that
you are both children of the Devil, control-freak male chauvinists,
liars, and hypocrites who don't really give a damn about the
Scriptures you claim to preach.
Christ being on God's 'right hand' means GOD AS CHRIST IS THE
RIGHTEOUS SAVIOUR.
As to my original post containing all the biblical evidence that God's
"right hand" means God's righteousness and salvation (i.e. God
incarnate as the Saviour), which truth you've deleted as always, it
follows:
IS CHRIST _REALLY_ ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD?
Mark 16:19, "So then after the Lord [Yahashua` the Messiah] had spoken
unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand
of God".
Many people are confused to hear that Christ is on the right hand of
God and take this idiom literally in order to claim that Christ was
not God.
"God is a spirit" (John 4:24), so of course the Messiah is not
In My Fathers House
[...]
> >YET, John says no man hath ascended to Heaven, but he that came down.
> >It's like the redactors of the NT had no clue what the fuck they were
> >saying.
>
> Much more like YOU have no idea what's going on.
>
> Jesus ascended, Elijiah was lifted (but not by fiery chariot). Ah, how those
> fancy ideas and words challenge your shallow mind.
LOL!
Just pick a different synonym and side step the contradiction! Too
funny!
Ike E 2009
On Oct 27, 11:01 pm, "Ike E 2009" <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a42b2f8e-074a-45a3...@z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
> > IS CHRIST _REALLY_ ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD?
> > Mark 16:19, "So then after the Lord [Yahashua` the Messiah] had spoken
> > unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand
> > of God".
>
> Not only was He at the right hand of God, but He was THERE while He was
> HERE
> at THE SAME TIME.
>
> Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from
> heaven, even the Son of man WHICH IS IN heaven.
> Ike
> Christ being on God's 'right hand' means GOD AS CHRIST IS THE
> RIGHTEOUS SAVIOUR.
LOL
And it means He is on HIS RIGHT HAND, TOO...ALWAYS.
[chuckle and snip]
Ike
Ike E 2009
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:pvage51m33v5qgfmv...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:01:19 -0500, "Ike E 2009"
> <xhermanei...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Linda Lee" <lindag...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>news:a42b2f8e-074a-45a3...@z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>>> IS CHRIST _REALLY_ ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD?
>>
>>> Mark 16:19, "So then after the Lord [Yahashua` the Messiah] had spoken
>>> unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand
>>> of God".
>>
>>Not only was He at the right hand of God, but He was THERE while He was
>>HERE
>>at THE SAME TIME.
>>
>>Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from
>>heaven, even the Son of man WHICH IS IN heaven.
>
> Some say yes, some are silent.
>
> John 3:13 (New International Version)
> of Man.[a]
> Footnotes:
> a.John 3:13 Some manuscripts Man, who is in heaven
>
> Are you going to hang your hat on this version or that version, when you
> can't
> know one way or the other.
I don't need either, 'cause I already know how this works...
> After all, the bible is not a novel, ike.
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
The Bible is a PRECISION INSTRUMENT. (Well, the parts that are SUPPOSED to
be there, anyhow.)
>>> Many people are confused to hear that Christ is on the right hand of
>>> God and take this idiom literally in order to claim that Christ was
>>> not God.
>
>>It is literal, AND figurative, AND spiritual, all at the same time.
Notice no response.
>>Mr 12:35-37
>>
>> And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say
>> the
>>scribes that Christ is the Son of David?
>> For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord,
>> Sit
>>thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
>> David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his
>> son?
>> And the common people heard him gladly.
>>
>>Hmmm.
>>
>>David is Jesus' lord, and Jesus is David's Lord at the same time.
>>
>>Seems to be more to this "Lord" thing than you understand. Maybe you
>>shouldn't be teaching what you don't understand.
>
> Or you're making a mountain out of a molehill.
Oh, no, this is the BIGGEST mountain of them ALL: THIS one explains how
Jesus can be Jesus, and related to God, and God in His own right ALL AT THE
SAME TIME.
But that would be too much for your feeble little "the Pope didn't tell me
that so it can't be true" brain.
Ike
Ike E 2009
"Zadok" <nob...@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
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[snip]
> Psalm 126: 2 - Our mouths were filled with laughter,
The laughter will be at YOU, oh, clueless one.
Ike
Ike E 2009
[snip]
> Psalm 126: 2 - Our mouths were filled with laughter,
The laughter will be at YOU, oh, clueless one.
Ike