“I’m afraid” and I need your help.
guardian Snow
another topic you ignore, if you agree, say so and ask friends to
join. United we stand, divided we fall. What would your heavenly
Father say about the media you watch?
Mat 6:23 “But if your eye is evil, all your body shall be darkened.
If, then, the light that is within you is darkness, how great is that
darkness!
What would he say if he saw the shooter games kids play, that your
money buys?
“I am a sniper and always hit the mark, a paid assassin working after
dark…
Don't you know that killing is my business... and business is good
You better believe it.”
Megadeth
How many deadly shooting rampages does it take before all of us WAKE
UP and realize that we are paying for the bullets? Not directly but by
buying into the medium that creates, promotes and glorifies FEAR,
Music that glorifies death and video games that teach people to
rampage our money goes to create more of the things we don’t want.
2010, Occultist believe this is the, “Dawn of the New World Order”.
2012, is the end of the Mayan calendar on December 21, 2012 with a
celestial pagan sign of the “grand cross alignment” to occur on this
date. A recently heavily advertised movie, “2012” is based on
supposed “prophecies” of major catastrophes occurring on this date.
From “The Stand” to “The Day after Tomorrow” the world has filled
itself with tales of destruction, death and end of the world scenarios
that catapult ordinary people to being respected leaders that in some
way saves a remnant of humanity. Death of billions, destruction of
civilization, serial killers.. entertainment how do these things get
stringed together and include participation of believers of the
scriptures?
Pro 8:36 “But he who sins against me injures himself; All who hate me
LOVE DEATH!”
A tragic situation has arisen where the vast majority of people do
not recognize their own divinity and by extension, their own greatness
that they already possess. Isn’t it “entertaining” to see a movie that
makes the death of a billion people a sideline story as we focus on
the selfish self preservation of the “hero” with the logic of “Who
cares as long as I survive” as the theme.
From Harp weapons and biological weapons to mind control, a lot of
people are dreaming up ways to kill off humanity or enslave them.
Killers are cropping up on a daily bases looking to take as many
people with them as possible and societies answer by making more
horrific mind viruses promoting FEAR from the daily newsroom to your
living room.
Jas 3:9 With it we bless our Elohim and Father, and with it we curse
men, who have been made in the likeness of Elohim.
People call destroying the very image of our creator (other people)
entertainment, every time they pay for a horror movie! Have you ever
thought about just how evil and Satanic that is?
Paraskavedekatriaphobia - Fear of Friday the 13th.
From the serial killer series, “Friday the 13th” to “Halloween”
occultist sell us stories of destruction with days and dates to
instill fear.
Chronophobia - Fear of time.
From “The Omen” being released on 6/6/06, fear of dates and times
projecting hysteria inundate western culture or have we forgotten
“Y2K” was first promoted in the movie, “Strange Days” and followed up
by made for TV movies and then we have, “The day after Tomorrow”
released during the Reagan administration promoting Nuclear
holocaust.
These fears being projected in the media become part of the world
psyche and the worse part about it is that heading the lines into
theaters around the world are those very people that are suppose to
love and choose life, believers of the scriptures.
Ecclesiophobia - Fear of church.
It seems hard to imagine that this is an actual phobia but it is…
maybe by extension it arises from fear of being judged, I don’t know
and it’s sad because church is the one place people should never be
afraid.
Ecophobia - Fear of home.
Some homeless people actually suffer from this phobia because of
tragic loss in their lives and they feel, if they don’t have a home,
they can’t lose one and by extension this also extends to
relationships… You can’t have your heart broken if you don’t love
anybody.
Agoraphobia - Fear of the outdoors, crowds or uncontrolled social
conditions.
Some people have become so afraid of the world outside that they fear
even leaving their own home because they are unable to control events
around them. What about the little lady down the street? Instead of
filling her television with messages that tell her it’s safe, we
sensationalize murder and the evening news confirms it. What kind of
future are you buying for your children watching “Saw 5” or “Hostel
3”?
Deu 30:19 “I have called the heavens and the earth as witnesses today
against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and
the curse. Therefore you shall choose life, so that you live, both you
and your seed.
Have you ever not walked down a dark alley at night time? You
shouldn’t think you are immune to irrational fear. Ever gone out of
your way to avoid certain areas of the city?
The underlying theme in all these phobias is FEAR and we continue to
pay for it. What you might see as “harmless entertainment”, might be
the very thing that pushes somebody else over the edge. From
Arachnophobia [Fear of spiders] to Xenophobia [Fear of foreigners]
shows seek to push every boundary of the imagination that permanently
scars a part of human consciousness. The mind becomes a burial ground
of our own self fulfilling prophecies by the mediums we pay for and we
call its art.
“Since mankind's dawn a handful of oppressors have accepted the
responsibility over our lives, responsibility that we should have
accepted ourselves. By doing so, they took our power. By doing
nothing, we gave it away.”
V for Vendetta
The ironic thing is that if YOU wanted to make the world a better
place, you wouldn’t have to do a thing. The only thing we would have
to do is NOT go to the church of Satan and pay for movies that promote
death and destruction. If horror movies and “apocalyptic” genres
don’t make money and if YOU and I stop contributing towards it, they
will disappear. If they didn’t make a profit, they would stop making
it.
Stop buying violent games, satanic music and paying for your own
destruction.
Gal 5:13 For you, brothers, have been called to freedom, only do not
use freedom as an occasion for the flesh, but through love serve one
another.
Gal 5:14 For the entire Torah is completed in one word, in this, “You
shall love your neighbour as yourself.”
Prince once said something like this, “Very few of mankind's creations
are designed to make you feel good, unless you get pleasure from
seeing the human body desecrated by guns, explosions, fights, and any
other of these things these so- called "artists" create. In the name
of freedom, many have used art as a means to destroy the human mind.
As an excuse to continue we hear
"Art reflects society".
How many times has this lie been repeated: "these creations are not
real", they say this and yet any one of you can call to mind images
and complete scenes of utter horror in graphic detail. They will
carry these so-called "unreal" creations around with them for the rest
of their lives. These images are now a part of their being. In the
name of RECREATION these people in fact are re-creating themselves in
their own images.”
SOCIETY THEN REFLECTS ART. “
The medium we choose is then internalized and either darkens or
lightens the beholder of the eye and incorporates itself into our
spirit. We must exert our will at the gateway to the soul (the eye)
and not empower that which would destroys us, the darkness of our own
“art”.
“'Men have forgotten this truth,' said the fox. 'But you must not
forget it. You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed.'
And now here is my secret, a very simple secret; it is only with the
heart that one can see rightly, what is essential is invisible to the
eye.“
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
Shalom,
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“When you think about others before yourself and offer the love you
feel for all of life- First in your thoughts and then in your
actions- That’s how you make a connection to inspiration.”
Dr. Wayne Dyer
Respond directly:
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
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Life is a gift, and it offers us the privilege, opportunity, and
responsibility to give something back by becoming more.
Tony Robbins
guardian Snow
I need your help to stop people from buying into the media of violence
and sex that destroys our culture and creates lasting images of death
and carnage.
I personally, will not attend any horror movie because it pollutes
society. I will not listen to music that encourages violence or play
video games that practice destruction of people. I will not
contribute my money to any of these things that by purchasing any
product that idolizes gore and trains kids for murder and theft, sex
and violence.
The sad state of society exist when children think violence is "fun".
The only help I want from any person is to stop buying these things
that promote hysteria... nothing more because I have all that I need
personally.
I want your commitment NOT to attend horror movies or purchase violent
video game or allow your children to rot their brains with shooter
games and explicit music.
Will anybody join me in saying NO to VIOLENCE in the media?
guardian Snow
> I want your commitment NOT to attend horror movies or purchase violent
> video game or allow your children to rot their brains with shooter
> games and explicit music.
>
Will anybody join me in saying NO to VIOLENCE in the media?
In the past, people have argued that it should be the television and
media executives that reduce violence in programs and movies and this
makes no sense at all. Rather than wait for the fox watching the hen
house, we should be individually responsible for what we watch and
buy… In other words, “If you don’t like the show, change the
channel”.
The campaign against violence must speak to the individual and
illustrate the harmful effects of violence in the media in the modern
world. It’s non-sense to call for regulating industries when people
are still desire violent content and are willing to pay for it and
encourage it by passively watching free to air.
The only truly responsible action is INDIVIDUAL COMMITMENT to not
purchase violent content in any media form and that is what I am
asking for from all people, regardless of faith because when
confronted with the evidence against media violence, it becomes
apparent that we are destroying ourselves with art.
A brief case against media violence:
"Media violence not only increases aggression among viewers, it breeds
a callousness toward violence directed at others."
In 1994, Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders said "By portraying violence
as the normal means of conflict resolution, the media gives youth the
message that violence is socially acceptable and the best way to solve
problems. After 10 years of research, we know that a correlation
exists between violence on television and aggressive behavior in
children."
Research results in two different studies strengthen Elders'
statement.
One study shows that "two years after television was introduced to the
remote city of Notel, Canada, physical aggression in children in the
area increased 160 percent".
Once televison arrived in South Africa, the homicide rates among
whites, which had been in the decline, increased 130 percent in twelve
years. (Goodwin, 49) There may have been other factors which
contributed to the increase in violence, but, these studies show that
television does have an impact on youth behavior.
Dr. Dimitri Christakis of Seattle Children's Hospital Research in a
December 8, 2008 interview, says, “Watching violent cartoons increases
real life aggression. Decades of research have proven that children
imitate what they see on screen – this includes both undesirable and
desirable behaviors”
Research shows a strong link between media violence and the way
children behave. Exposure to screen violence increases real world
aggression. Also, children frequently exposed to violence on
television are indifferent towards real life violent experiences.
Children become immune to the pain and suffering of others. Children
don't have much experience in the real world; that is why it is hard
for them to distinguish between fantasy and reality. Consequently,
they imitate what they see.
As a member of The Children's Broadcast Institute, Toronto child
psychiatrist Dr. Arlette Lefebrve was actively crusading against the
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (a show which was eventually taken off
the air; but not necessarily due to violent content). She found
following examples of the impact the show had on younger viewers: "A
six-year-old boy wearing a turtle costume stabbed a friend in the arm
for not returning a borrowed toy; A three-year-old boy picked up the
family cat and swung it around his head like a Turtle hero wielding a
weapon. When his mother tried to intervene, the boy said "It's just
like Michelangelo".
When an ad is shown on TV, no one expects that it will sell the
product to everybody. If the ad influences only 1% of viewers, it is
considered to be a great success (Medved, 1995). Suppose violent media
make only 1% of the population more aggressive. Should society be
concerned about a percentage so small? The answer is a resounding
"Yes!" Suppose 10 million people watch a violent TV program. If only
1% of the viewers will become more aggressive afterward, then the
violent TV program will make 100,000 people more aggressive! Because
so many people are exposed to violent media, the effect on society can
be immense even if only a small percentage of viewers are affected by
them. It takes only one or two affected students to wreak murderous
havoc in a school.
Much of this material is available on several web sites:
http://www.bluecorncomics.com/grossman.htm
From an interview with Jamie Rouse after he killed a teacher and a
student at his school in Lynnville, Tenn. In the LA Times, 4/22/00:
"In the 10th grade, that's when I started wearing all black. I wasn't
aware of the Gothic look when I was doing it. Part of it was the anti-
God attitude. But it [also] reflected how I felt. Dark. I listened to
evil music and dark music, and that was part of it too.
"The 10th grade was when I went from heavy metal to death metal." From
Alice in Chains, Megadeth and Pantera to Obituary, Deicide and Napalm
Death. "I think I bought a Marilyn Manson tape after that. It's evil
heavy metal, I guess you'd call it. Straight-out hating God. The one
song that I listened to over and over was 'Diary of a Madman' by the
Gravediggaz. It was about these people going off and killing these
other people."
The day before he shot two people, Rouse argued with a girl. As he
recalls it:
"I went back to my truck, [and] I was listening to Morbid Angel, the
particular song called 'Hatework,' [and] of course, after I listened
to my music again, it was back to anger again.
"I just went home. I took my portable Discman in the house and
listened to it and went to bed. I mainly listened to one song:
Gravediggaz' 'Diary of a Madman.'
"I'd get extremely angry, and in a split second I'd feel like crying,
and then I would go back to being extremely angry. I was listening to
the music until I went to sleep."
The next day Rouse went on a shooting rampage at his school. He says
he felt nothing that day and doesn't know why he did it.
Qadosh Stephanos
<snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>On Nov 9, 2:38�pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
>> I want your commitment NOT to attend horror movies or purchase violent
>> video game or allow your children to rot their brains with shooter
>> games and explicit music.
>>
>Will anybody join me in saying NO to VIOLENCE in the media?
Does it include your religious oral VIOLENCE in the newsgroups?
Suggestion:Turn your TV OFF. Nobody is forcing you to watch TV.
Will anybody join me in saying NO to SNOWS VIOLENCE in the NGs?
John chapter 17.
guardian Snow
wrote:
> >> I want your commitment NOT to attend horror movies or purchase violent
> >> video game or allow your children to rot their brains with shooter
> >> games and explicit music.
>
> >Will anybody join me in saying NO to VIOLENCE in the media?
>
> Does it include your religious oral VIOLENCE in the newsgroups?
> Suggestion:Turn your TV OFF. Nobody is forcing you to watch TV.
> Will anybody join me in saying NO to SNOWS VIOLENCE in the NGs?
>
> John chapter 17.
“Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me.” We use to
sing that song at the start of every church service. To quote a more
recent artist:
“I’m looking at the man in the mirror, I’m asking him to change his
ways.”
Violence occurs when it is seen as a solution to the problem of the
individual conducting the violence. Violence seems acceptable as a
solution to those that see the only solution is to hurt somebody else
so that a view point can prevail.
“Violence and arms can never resolve the problems of men. “
Pope John Paul II
My last discussion, I asked, “If Jesus was Dead, who raised him?” The
best answer I got back was, “The Holy Trinity”. The problem with this
answer, in my opinion is that Yehoshua that you know as Jesus is that
trinity and so the conclusion of the answer by my Christian friend is
that, Dead Jesus raised himself according to Trinity practicing
Christians.
They say, “Jesus is God that should be worshiped” and I disagree. The
strongest evidence of this deity is by Thomas in the book of John.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Master and my
Mighty One.
A very recent statement to me said,
“The Lord Jesus Christ IS NOT A MERE MAN. NO CHRISTIAN would worship
a man, at least not for very long, when someone would set him straight
on it.”
Bob
I couldn’t agree with you more Bob but then, I’m not a Christian, “I’m
a Messianic” and what this means is that I worship only YAHWEH, the
deity of the “Old Testament” and Moses makes it clear that this deity
is not a man or the son of man.
Num 23:19 El is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,
that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath
he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Now, I recognize that from a perspective this might be taken in
another sense as I am sure my Trinity Christians brother do and… I
respect this point of view.
The fact that we can disagree is healthy. The fact that we can agree
to disagree is a solution that ends the never ending debate, the
baseless attacks or the idea that somehow if one person doesn’t force
all the other people to accept your statements as complete truth, you
have failed.
The idea that trinity Christians disagree with Yehoshua being simply a
prophet that has authority and power given to him by a higher power,
YAHWEH, is absolutely evident but…
I do not see the need to force Bob or any of them to subscribe to my
point of view and I see no need to forcefully go around calling
anybody that doesn’t agree with me “an idiot” or any of the other
negative names they seem to toss around on a daily bases.
Psa 44:20 If we have forgotten the Name of our Elohim, Or stretched
out our hands to a foreign mighty one, 21 Would Elohim not search this
out? For He knows the secrets of the heart.
Everything is purposed and created by Elohim to test us and so, for
trinity Christians to have the belief that they have does not mean
they are “going to hell” or facing damnation and for me to say
anything of that accord means that I am attempting to be my brothers
judge.
Jas 3:9 With it we bless our Elohim and Father, and with it we curse
men, who have been made in the likeness of Elohim. 10 Out of the same
mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brothers, this should not be
so.
While it may trouble other people that I feel no need to correct what
I believe to be a grievous error on his part, I also know that he will
learn his lessons in the time that he is ready.
Isa 55:7 Let the wrong forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his
thoughts. Let him return to Yahweh, who has compassion on him, and to
our Elohim, for He pardons much. 8 “For My thoughts are not your
thoughts, neither are your ways My ways,” declares Yahweh. 9 “For as
the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your
ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.
Now, many people are adamant that at some points in scriptures, they
imply that violence is needed with our children and I’ve had a long
hard look at this topic. One of the scriptures used to promote
spanking children is:
Pro 23:13 Do not withhold discipline from a child; If you beat
[punish] him with a rod, he does not die.
Pro 23:14 Beat him with a rod And deliver his being from the grave.
The English word beat is also translated “punish” [Lev 26:24] and the
word “rod” is a symbol of leadership, like a king’s scepter. Because
the TRANSLATORS believed in beating children, they conveyed this idea
but the reality of this passage is that it can be taken as simply
given strong council.
H5221
נכה
nâkâh
naw-kaw'
A primitive root; to strike (lightly or severely, literally or
figuratively): - beat, cast forth, clap, give [wounds], X go forward,
X indeed, kill, make [slaughter], murderer, punish, slaughter, slay (-
er, -ing), smite (-r, -ing), strike, be stricken, (give) stripes, X
surely, wound.
I find it interesting that this word can be translated anywhere from
kill to wound or punish, which may not include physical violence at
all. Translators pretend to know based on context but reality is the
translating Hebrew is a much more complex undertaking then simple word
for word translations… this is probably why Jews opposed the books
being translated in the first place.
Pro 13:24 He who spares his rod [leadership] hates his son, But he who
loves him, seeks him with discipline.
Pro 19:18 Discipline your son because there is expectation, And do not
set your being on his destruction.
(Included to be comprehensive)
“Disciple” is also translated “instruct”. Seems like common sense but
when I examine the Hebrew text, I find no other support for the idea
of beating or spanking kids.
Pro 22:15 Folly is bound up in the heart of a child; The rod
[leadership] of discipline drives it far from him.
Instead of translating the word as “rod”, it might just as well mean
“the leadership of discipline”. That would agree with, “monkey see,
monkey do”… possibly these scriptures like so many others is simply
telling you to set a good example for your children.
Setting the example is something that I strongly agree with because
every modern example I’ve seen of people using these scriptures are
those people who are effectively TYRANTS setting a bad example and
telling others, do as I say, not as I do and the fruit of this bad
teaching is rebellion in almost every instance.
I’m not saying there isn’t any place for corporal punishment but
violence is a poor solution, especially to children that simply don’t
understand.
I know my own Father use to spank me on a regular bases and I honestly
think it never really made a big difference in my life. We follow the
examples our parents set for us for good or bad unless we recognize
poor behavior and know to change it. The idea that violence is ever a
solution to problems must be pushed back to the back burner and every
other solution put first.
If we are to, “let the wrong forsake his way” then I don’t see why
that wouldn’t apply to my family and my child first. By allowing my
kids to make mistakes in life, as I did, they can learn from them and
what is important is that I provide LEADERSHIP and a EXAMPLE for them,
not a beating.
To put this argument another way, why would scriptures teach us to
“love our enemies”, “turn the other cheek”, “do onto others as you
would have them do to you” but beat your kids?
If we are to “love our neighbors” as ourselves, I’d say the same
applies to our children and I’m not looking to have them beat me, I’ll
set a good example and remove violence from their lives first.
In conclusion it really isn’t a wonder why so many people live in the
conflict view that we must crush our enemies when the poor translation
of scriptures leads us to believe that violence is a solution that
serves the purpose of YAHWEH. A closer examination of what is written
in Hebrew truly is lost on modern society.
Mat 7:12 “Therefore, whatever you wish men to do to you, do also to
them, for this is the Torah and the Prophets.
The bottom line is that I don’t want my heavenly Father coming down to
beat me so why would I teach other people to beat their children when
it should be the last option after all other tools of rearing children
are exhausted.
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
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Every child senses, with all the horse sense that's in him, that any
parent is angry inside when children misbehave and they dread more the
anger that is rarely or never expressed openly, wondering how awful it
might be.
Benjamin Spock
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
The child supplies the power but the parents have to do the steering.
Benjamin Spock
Respond directly:
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
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http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip
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http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/Jubilees.pdf
Book of Jubilees
I believe that being successful means having a balance of success
stories across the many areas of your life. You can't truly be
considered successful in your business life if your home life is in
shambles.
Zig Ziglar
guardian Snow
> All manner of politicians justify their personal agendas for wealth
> and power, by saying or implying that "God Almighty" wants it.
> Murder, war, torture, violence, genocide, are just some of the
> favorites.
The only thing Planned Parenthood prevents is pregnancy. Pregnancy is
not an illness abortion is a violent murder of the unborn child.
Planned Parenthood is in business to make money.
"We'd have a goal every month for abortion clients and for family
planning clients"
Abby Johnson, former affiliate director for Planned Parenthood.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115476
A former affiliate director for Planned Parenthood, the nation's
largest abortion provider, says she decided she could no longer be
part of the industry after she watched an ultrasound of a baby being
aborted and realized it was fighting for its life.
Abby Johnson, who resigned as director of a Texas Planned Parenthood
branch, now is the target of a restraining order sought by the
organization.
Ron Paul said, “All initiation of force is a violation of someone
else's rights, whether initiated by an individual or the state, for
the benefit of an individual or group of individuals, even if it's
supposed to be for the benefit of another individual or group of
individuals.” The same applies to Abortion as it was asked, “Should
it be the litmus test”? A better question is “Should the murder of
innocent unborn children be the litmus test?”
Deu 19:10 That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which YHVH thy
Elohim giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee.
Somebody complained that I took this passage out of context but the
fact is, it needs no context just like:
Exo 20:13 “You do not murder.”
Does this passage sound like it’s saying it’s alright to murder
sometimes? Why do people want to make excuses and bargain the demons?
Abortions not only kill the unborn child, they are killing the women
that have them! Maybe they don’t die on the operating table but I
tell you, IT KILLS their SOUL! Murder has become all to commonly
excepted in society and nobody has the guts to say STOP, IT’S a
COMMANDMENT that you don’t murder!
Gen 4:10 And He said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s
blood cries out to Me from the ground.
In the time that it took you to read this far into my post, ABORTIONS
will kill 120,000 Babies today alone around the world. This year
alone, so far the abortion clock is about to hit 40,000,000 unborn
children dead... have a look for yourself.
http://www.poodwaddle.com/clocks16.htm
That’s double the entire population of Wyoming in ONE WEEK, murdered
senselessly. More innocent children die before you have your
afternoon lunch then all the Americans that have died in 8 years of
war in Iraq. So if you think war in Iraq is killing people, look at
your own home town because thousand more die in the United States by
abortion then do war.
Psa 9:12 For He remembers the seekers of bloodshed, He does not forget
the cry of the afflicted.
By the time you have your lunch at noon, more Americans will have died
by abortion in ONE MORNING then all the people that died during 9/11!
FACT!
Since 1972, 43 million Americans never got a say in how they died
because they were aborted. They were never given a choice to live.
Pro 6:15 Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he
be broken without remedy.
Pro 6:16 These six things doth YHVH hate: yea, seven are an
abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed INNOCENT
BLOOD,
Do you think for even a second that your heavenly Father has seen the
innocent blood crying out from the land? Do you really think the
murder of innocents shouldn’t be a litmus test? We spend millions of
dollars everyday under the banner of “protecting Americans” and then
by the end of that same day, we murdered thousands by our vote.
I have no desire to negotiate with murderous people who sit around
making excuses to kill unborn children and then turn around and claim
to be “Christian”. More unborn babies died then all the Jewish
Holocaust plus all of World War 2 and Vietnam combined, killed in our
own local towns by abortion.
Stop making excuses to support candidates that support abortion, it’s
costing us millions of dollars more to murder the unborn and the toll
on the American conscience....
Yes, the opposition to murder should be a litmus test in a moral
society.
Is the repulsion and revulsion that is evoked by these travesties due
simply to the loss of life? Or is humanity’s outrage due to the fact
that lives were snuffed out unjustly and unfairly—that those lives
were “innocent” of any wrongdoing that their persecutors alleged as
justification to terminate their lives? If the former is true, why is
no great issue made of the death toll that takes place in the United
States every day? That figure stands at 6,674 (Sutton, 2003)—more than
two and a half times as many people as those who died on 9-11. That’s
how many people die every day in America—not to mention the thousands
who die every day around the world. Why do we feel no great heartache
for these multitudes—akin to that which we felt on the occasion of
9-11?
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your
Elohim, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not
hear. 3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with
iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered
perverseness.
Is it because you don’t hear the cries of the unborn still? YOU
WILL. Someday when your knee bends before your heavenly Father, he’s
going to ask you.. why didn’t you stop it? You had a say in a free
country and you voted for people that promoted murder of my unborn
children...
The mind has difficulty even comprehending 43,000,000 murdered
American babies—let alone envisioning the lost potential for good for
the entire human race. Make no mistake, the “hands that shed innocent
blood” (Proverbs 6:17) will one day face the consequences of their
actions (Ecclesiastes 12:14)
Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
A test of a people is how it behaves toward the old. It is easy to
love children. Even tyrants and dictators make a point of being fond
of children. But the affection and care for the old, the incurable,
the helpless are the true gold mines of a culture.
Abraham Joshua Heschel
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Linda Lee
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 06:08:17 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow
>
Didn't you know? Snowjob feels entitled to hate his enemies since he
is not a Christian. That 'Love your enemies' teaching he keeps posting
is just an attempt to thwart his opposition whom he feels must keep
silence in the face of his antichrist teachings because, as he says,
they have a "higher calling" than he does.
guardian Snow
> Didn't you know? Snowjob feels entitled to hate his enemies since he
> is not a Christian. That 'Love your enemies' teaching he keeps posting
> is just an attempt to thwart his opposition whom he feels must keep
> silence in the face of his antichrist teachings because, as he says,
> they have a "higher calling" than he does.
I am not going to be so arrogant to think to tell Christians, “your
belief system is wrong”.. Rather, I say to my Christian brother, “If
your belief system works for you, I am happy for you but I have no
desire to share your understanding, so instead of arguing with me
about what you believe, go put your faith into practice.”
Jas 2:14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief
but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.
A hypocrite is basically an actor playing a character, like in a movie
they act out and I have to wonder why would people bother to argue
with me when I make it clear, I have no desire for their belief? They
think they must prove me wrong but I believe my faith and I am
independent of their good opinion and so I speak accordingly which is
not to say I am beyond discussion but that I have certain truths I
know are well founded. The reason they do is because we have been
raised into a conflict view of society that evolves from capitalism.
The idea that one must “crush” the competition is wrong and that is
not capitalism. “Living to win” means that you seek to be better than
a competitor in the good opinion of other people, not a destroyer. A
poor idea, goods or service will naturally not be consumed by the mass
market.
That which I am against can only weaken me and so I am taught by
scriptures to oppose nothing of other peoples beliefs but rather to
simply go forth and speak the good news of Yehoshua Messiah and his
deity, YAHWEH.
I have made my fair share of mistakes but I hold to this truth that
many reject, ALL of you are sons of the most high, this is the
teaching of the scriptures, not a new age cult.
Psa 82:4 Rescue the poor and needy; Deliver them from the hand of the
wrong.
Psa 82:5 They do not know, nor do they understand, They walk about in
darkness. All the foundations of the earth are shaken.
Psa 82:6 I, I said, “You are elohim, And all of you are sons of the
Most High.
You, YOU have purpose and everything that you need will be given to
you in the right time according to the plan of the Almighty YAHWEH.
You are a divine creature, a spirit encased within a body.
I am dogmatic in my understanding for myself but you may not share my
understanding and that is fine for everything has a purpose, even your
disagreement with me but… I will not seek to impose my understanding
on others, rather, I speak the Good News and those who care to share
with me, will do so.
My understanding says that my Trinity based Christian brothers have
placed an incorrect focus on the Messiah’s death they call, “The
passion” rather than on his life, his ministry and his word. They
exist in the conflict view of that says one belief must dominate and
make subject all others and in this we see the makings of religious
wars, flamers and those who think this is an argument rather than a
statement.
“The conflict view asserts that only one strain of doctrine can assume
the commanding heights, and so all the progress of groups lower on the
faith chain depends on unseating others from power. Secular groups can
hold this view, believing that religion must be vanquished from the
earth, and so too with religious groups that believe secularism must
be destroyed.
This is why we hear about "breaking barriers" rather than encouraging
opportunity, about policies rather than freedom, about power rather
than entrepreneurship. For the media writing about all this, it is the
only intellectual model they have in mind. The conflict view of
society was taught to them in college and is reinforced daily in the
press. Also, unless you have some clear filter in mind, it seems like
the conflict view is supported by plenty of evidence, given that the
rise of the state has actually generated social antagonism where none
should exist.”
Llewellyn H. Rockwell
The common theme is, “Christ is the only savior” and yet, even the
Messiah himself never made such an absurd statement. In fact as my
brother, Yehoshua taught:
Joh 14:12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the
works that I do he shall do also. And greater works than these he
shall do, because I go to My Father.”
That you have the POTENTIAL to do even greater works than the Messiah
himself and to you who believe NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE. I ask you now,
who is demonstrating the belief of the Messiah? Why would your works
be greater? Because the potential is so much greater now in this lost
and confused world to reach out to your brother, your neighbor or even
a stranger and lend a helping hand and do what is right in exercising
the power of your belief.
I do not say your belief is wrong but of what use is it by the
limitations you have placed? You have denied the very teachings of
Christ himself of your unlimited, divine nature!
Mar 10:27 And looking at them, YEHOSHUA said, “With men it is
impossible, but not with Elohim, for with Elohim all is possible.”
If you are WITH ELOHIM and all is possible then why can’t you be your
brother’s savior? Did not the Messiah teach that we too should take
up our cross and follow him? Is he not our example?
Joh 13:15 “For I gave you an example, that you should do as I have
done to you.
The idea that the Messiah is a sole savior excludes enlisting the aid
of that source of power and inspiration in your actions and becoming
one with the source. How often do Christians tell me that I deny John
when I see it from the opposite perspective? They cling to the same
tired dogma of a life of sin and limiting beliefs, afraid to step up
and simply do what is right, to be LIKE CHRIST. Until you believe in
your own magic, you will never manifest it. Do you not have the
ability to heal people and saves lives… why not? This ability is given
to men…
Mat 9:8 And when the crowds saw it, they marvelled and praised Elohim
who had given such authority to men.
Are you not a son of the most high EL YAHWEH?
Psa 82:6 I, I said, “You are elohim, And ALL of you are sons of the
Most High.
Were you NOT created in his image?
Gen 1:26 And Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to
Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the
birds of the heavens, and over the livestock, and over *all the earth*
and over all the creeping creatures that creep on the earth.”
Did not Elohim give man IN THE BEGINNING authority over ALL THE
EARTH? I ask you, who denies the word? The disagreement resides in a
dogma and belief system and if you live in sin, this is your belief
for only in Yahweh does one have righteousness by his forgiveness and
so as the Messiah taught:
Mar 11:23 “For truly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be
removed and be thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart,
but believes that what he says, shall be done, he shall have whatever
he says.
I do not speak of “my ability” but the ability of YAHWEH in which
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE. I am unable until I acknowledge first that I
must align with the will of the source first.
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge,
and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but
the desire of the Father who sent Me.
Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
Joh 12:28 “Father, esteem Your Name.” Then a voice came from the
heaven, “I have both esteemed it and shall esteem it again.”
Allow your heavenly Father to esteem his name in YOU again…
Mar 16:17 “And these signs shall accompany the ones who believe: In My
Name they shall cast out demons, they shall speak with renewed
tongues,
I hope you will take some time to make your own ministry of strength
post and share it with me.
Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
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out of use.
Francis Bacon
Evil is the moment when I lack the strength to be true to the Good
that compels me.
Alain Badiou
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation,
nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
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guardian Snow
are raised in the conflict view of society that says, “I’m right and
unless you agree with me, you’re an idiot” or “anti-christ”.
Ecc 1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities;
all is vanity.
Brennan Manning a Catholic priest, who was later quoted by Christian
music group DC Talk said, " The Greatest single cause of Atheism in
the world today are Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips
and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an
unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."
I doubt that people realize or consider the ramifications of their
actions. More often then not people spend the time they have looking
at everybody else and being the judge of them so that they don’t have
to face the problems in their own lives.
What I find shocking is that while these are message boards about
religion, the main topic on most people’s minds are the other people
that post and religion is usually a subtitle or a weapon to be lashed
about like a bull in Spain. On a planet with 7 billion people, each
one of us wants to believe we’re “special” and unique. Maybe it’s a
downfall of religion that we go around trying to say my “God” is
bigger than your “God”. Christians, Judaism and Muslims all speak of
one “God” and yet each says the others are a false religion. Each
faith is built upon the Torah and each one has become something far
different from the original writings
My Christian brothers t spend their time ignoring every scripture they
preach. How often do I see in the anger of somebody calling another
person fool. Making enemies and treating people despicably instead of
actually discussing our faith, were not happy unless we are attacking
somebody and hence the title of this post.
Unless we disagree with the post or the title, we never take the time
to just say.. “you know.. that was a nice post and I agree with you”.
No.. Instead we attack the character of each other. It’s a very
depressing atmosphere where everybody is busy trying to show that they
are right and everybody else is wrong… I just happen to be the one
person that is always right. (JOKE)
Mat 10:25 “It is enough for the taught one to become like his teacher,
and a servant like his master. If they have called the master of the
house Beʽelzebul, how much more those of his household!
Is it the fault of our religion that we all feel a want and need to be
special? To be that one person who leads the world out of harms way
and onto the right path? We all believe Elohim/”God” is our “God” and
how often are we called “antichrist”, devil or some other ridiculous
name. A guy in my home town once asked after a riot, “Why can’t we
just get along?”. Rodney King couldn’t have been closer to the truth
at any point in his life. Over 50 people died as a result of that
riot in L.A. alone and I remember those days all to clear.
Why do we have such a hard time just expressing our point of view and
then respecting what other people believe? I realize that all of you
are wrong and that I’m the one person with a true revelation. Unless
we learn to respect other peoples beliefs, regardless if it’s wrong or
not, we’re doomed as a race of people.
Why do we insist on playing “God” and being the judge of our
brothers? Why is it that so many Christians only respond when it’s a
hateful, hurtful response? Are we that hurt ourselves that we take
our depression out on anybody that dares to step into our line of
sight for attack? If the scriptures tell us to love our enemies,
where is that love?
I think atheist watch the way we behave as people of faith and by our
own bad example we are driving more people from the faith we profess
then bringing in. The topic of our conversations shouldn’t be each
other but the Elohim/”God” we profess we believe in. The comments
about how stupid somebody is should be reserved to not being put to
text.
But that's just my opinion. I'm nobody important or special.. Just
me.. One of 7 billion people on this somehow lonely planet.
It seems to me that we all have some type of "Messiah" complex that we
think we are the only inspired person that must lead Israel back to
the promise land. Albert Schweitzer said, “At times our own light
goes out and is rekindled by a spark from another person. Each of us
has cause to think with deep gratitude of those who have lighted the
flame within us.”
Mat 10:38 “And he who does not take up his stake and follow after Me
is not worthy of Me.
Yehoshua that most know as Jesus Christ said to follow after him, to
emulate him and be like him and the scriptures say:
Isa 53:11 He would see the result of the suffering of His life and be
satisfied. Through His KNOWLEDGE My righteous Servant MAKES MANY
RIGHTEOUS, and He bears their crookednesses.
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Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
a moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam.
Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
I saw my hometown burning that day.
Rodney King
If you listen to your fears, you will die never knowing what a great
person you might have been.
Robert H. Schuller
P.S., I don't believe I'm the Messiah. People see that title and
have
something they can argue about... that’s why I chose that title.
(Mar 16:2) (Mar 16:9) (Luk 18:12) (Luk 24:1)(Matt 28:1 on its second
instance)
(Joh 20:1) (Joh 20:19) (Act 20:7) (1Co 16:2) (Heb 4:9)
Each of these verses that have the word Sabbath removed.
Linda Lee
> On Nov 11, 10:28 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > Didn't you know? Snowjob feels entitled to hate his enemies since he
> > is not a Christian. That 'Love your enemies' teaching he keeps posting
> > is just an attempt to thwart his opposition whom he feels must keep
> > silence in the face of his antichrist teachings because, as he says,
> > they have a "higher calling" than he does.
>
> I am not going to be so arrogant to think to tell Christians, “your
> belief system is wrong”.. Rather, I say to my Christian brother, “If
> your belief system works for you, I am happy for you but I have no
> desire to share your understanding, so instead of arguing with me
> about what you believe, go put your faith into practice.”
>
> Jas 2:14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief
> but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.
>
> A hypocrite is basically an actor playing a character,
Like you play-act at being an open-minded person with a moral
character.
> like in a movie
> they act out and I have to wonder why would people bother to argue
> with me when I make it clear, I have no desire for their belief?
Still wondering why people argue with you about your religious beliefs
on a newsgroup designed for debate on religion. You certainly are slow
of learning.
> They
> think they must prove me wrong but I believe my faith and I am
> independent of their good opinion and so I speak accordingly which is
> not to say I am beyond discussion
Apparently, you think you are. You do not consider other's points of
view even when you appear to be in a discussion with them; you just
latch onto certain things they've said that stand out to you and
deliver an oratory based upon that, otherwise you don't even bother to
read what they've said - much like you do with your lectures on a
verse you've seen in the Scriptures.
guardian Snow
Of course you are right from your perspective, thank you.
jos boersema
On 2009-11-12, guardian Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
Subject: Re: I am Messiah
Is that right ? Excellent, then we are with 2, that's cool.
So, how is the job coming along, put anything on paper yet ?
Any sort of plan to get the world in shape, something like that ?
Maybe we can work together.
PS
You do realise, I suppose, that if you say you are moshiach but
you aren't, then you are guilty and the sentence is death ? Good.
We don't want too many falls claims I guess. I don't know for
sure by what method the death sentence would be carried out though,
it wouldn't surprise me if it was the sword or cutting off the head.
Maybe you can look into that one.
--
http://www.jhwh.be
guardian Snow
> ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.messianic.]
>
> Subject: Re: I am Messiah
>
> Is that right ? Excellent, then we are with 2, that's cool.
> So, how is the job coming along, put anything on paper yet ?
> Any sort of plan to get the world in shape, something like that ?
> Maybe we can work together.
>
> PS
>
> You do realise, I suppose, that if you say you are moshiach but
> you aren't, then you are guilty and the sentence is death ? Good.
> We don't want too many falls claims I guess. I don't know for
> sure by what method the death sentence would be carried out though,
> it wouldn't surprise me if it was the sword or cutting off the head.
> Maybe you can look into that one.
> --http://www.jhwh.be
You really should read the original post before you comment. Reposted
for your benefit.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
I saw my hometown burning that day.
Rodney King
If you listen to your fears, you will die never knowing what a great
person you might have been.
Robert H. Schuller
P.S., I don't believe I'm the Messiah. People see that title and
have
something they can argue about... that’s why I chose that title.
(Mar 16:2) (Mar 16:9) (Luk 18:12) (Luk 24:1)(Matt 28:1 on its second
instance)
(Joh 20:1) (Joh 20:19) (Act 20:7) (1Co 16:2) (Heb 4:9)
Each of these verses that have the word Sabbath removed.
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
jos boersema
> On Nov 12, 8:39�pm, jos boersema <jo...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.messianic.]
>> On 2009-11-12, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re: I am Messiah
>>
>> Is that right ? Excellent, then we are with 2, that's cool.
>> So, how is the job coming along, put anything on paper yet ?
>> Any sort of plan to get the world in shape, something like that ?
>> Maybe we can work together.
>>
>> PS
>>
>> You do realise, I suppose, that if you say you are moshiach but
>> you aren't, then you are guilty and the sentence is death ? Good.
>> We don't want too many falls claims I guess. I don't know for
>> sure by what method the death sentence would be carried out though,
>> it wouldn't surprise me if it was the sword or cutting off the head.
>> Maybe you can look into that one.
>> --http://www.jhwh.be
>
> You really should read the original post before you comment.
Sorry, I never read posts made by antichrist-jesus-followers, and
I also immediately quit at the first occurence of the S word (s8).
(Anti- means instead-of-. Thus, jesus was an anti-christ. Maybe
not as bad I suppose as one who jesus-followers tend to envision;
although you might want to ask the victims of jesus-followers'
persecutions about that, for example the killings of people who
had a different interpretation of jesus, who remained loyal to
the Torah on the issue of idolatry, or who had other beliefs.)
guardian Snow
> > You really should read the original post before you comment.
>
> [...]
>
> Sorry, I never read posts made by antichrist-jesus-followers, and
> I also immediately quit at the first occurence of the S word (s8).
"Those who are unwilling to read are no better off then those unable
to read."
Mark Twain
Why bother responding to something you haven't read and don't know?
Because attacking other people as so many do, it allows you to focus
on other people rather then taking a good hard look at yourself. We
critical of anything that might force us to examine ourselves.
Starting with myself, it's time to look in the mirror.
jos boersema
I read the subject line, doesn't that count ?
I looked this morning in the mirror and decided I needed a shave,
so I did. Doesn't that count ?
Now I'm going to do a self-examination ...
- hmm... what I doing ? What am I doing !
Oh well, ... I'm trying to teach people economic and state law,
trying to make the world a better place.
That's not all that bad. Hm well, ok then, carry on.
Can't I really do any *more* ... well ... I was at a demonstration
a few weeks ago. People just don't want to listen, so what can you
do except staying around and say the same thing over and over, in
the hope one of these days someone will bother to ... think.
I'm also on IRC by the way. No, I am *not* jesus and therefore
*not* interested in cult formation. I'm interested in talking about
economics law, state law, and how to change these things for the
better (as extensively proposed). Can you imagine someone who is
not looking to form a cult ? I hope so. Considdering all religions
are cults. Even judaism is a cult now.
Anyway: what more can be done ? I send material out far and wide.
What more can be done ?
Your turn: where is the plan you are either making up or following
that should make the world better or at least a little better ?
If you have no such plane, why not ?
Why aren't you following my proposed plan, I did work hard on it.
A *lot* harder then jesus has ever worked on anything, for example.
Tell me: why aren't we talking about the details of economic law
and state law and what could be state law (No I am not an american,
the word 'state' can mean any nation-state its 'state').
--
http://www.socialism.nl
singin4free
All the power in heaven and earth was given to Yeshua. If we are *in*
Him we also can do the works he does as he gives us of His Spirit. But
outside of him we are like branches that fell off the vine - dead.
Only in him is life and the light of men. What was the lie that the
serpent told Eve to entice her to eat the fruit? It was a promise to
be like God. This teaching you are putting forth is right in line with
the humanistic and new age philosophies of today - elevating man and
glorifying man. But the Bible says that in the end every knee shall
bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the
glory of God the Father. We are not to consider ourselves his equals.
He is the ONLY Messiah. We are to consider him Lord and bend our knee
before him as all the angels do. We will have life abundantly if we
believe in him, but we are not just tapping into the same source as he
is. He is the life.
"In Him was Life and the Life was the Light of men" John 1:4
jos boersema
> All the power in heaven and earth was given to Yeshua.
No.
> If we are *in*
> Him
No.
> we also can do the works he does as he gives us of His Spirit.
No.
> But
> outside of him we are like branches that fell off the vine - dead.
No.
> Only in him is life and the light of men.
No.
> What was the lie that the
> serpent told Eve to entice her to eat the fruit? It was a promise to
> be like God. This teaching you are putting forth is right in line with
> the humanistic and new age philosophies of today - elevating man and
> glorifying man.
Jesus was a man, you are elevating man and glorifying man.
> But the Bible says that in the end every knee shall
> bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord
No.
> to the
> glory of God the Father. We are not to consider ourselves his equals.
Wrong.
> He is the ONLY Messiah.
No.
> We are to consider him Lord and bend our knee
> before him as all the angels do.
It's called idolatry, the G.d of Israel killed many Israelites over it,
according the Torah.
> We will have life abundantly if we
> believe in him,
You need to do proper laws, what then who knows.
> but we are not just tapping into the same source as he
> is. He is the life.
You seem to be inter-changing the God of Israel as represented in the
Torah, with 'moshiach' or with anti-christ jesus.
> "In Him was Life and the Life was the Light of men" John 1:4
What is that "john" ? There is no such book in the Tanach.
It is a big "sin," (mistake) to call for a king. If you want to
keep to the Torah, better do it right. Israel is also still asking
for a king. One of the reasons why they never amounted to much.
If not the major reason, in fact !
If they hadn't asked for a king, if they hadn't bowed for a hunk
of metal, they may have been provided with a functional state
system. But they messed up. It was for good reason, I suppose,
that Moshe Rabbeinu threw down the slabs he came down with. It
was for good reason that he wondered what he should do with these
foolish Israelites. And for good reason that the God of Israel
wanted to wipe the Israelites out and start from scratsch with
Moshe Rabbeinu. Moshe should have let that happen, the Israelites
are an idolatrous people, they can not do democracy, they can not
have a functioning nation. All they want to do is subjugate and
have kings, like as if they where monkeys. Jesus-followers do
exactly the same, only worse.
Don't listen to sweet talk. Like they say ... a sweet doctor,
makes stinking wounds. You got to plunge the knife in there
deep, and it'll hurt, cut the shit right out, the idolatry, the
insanity.
Please, bother yourselve with good democratic law, with better
economic understanding. All this jesus-freakery, it will lead
to nothing and never has.
--
http://www.jhwh.be
I
> I know the Messiah
Wonderful! Please tell me about you relationship with God's Messiah, King
Cyrus of Persia!
ISAIAH 45:1 "This is what the LORD says to his anointed *[MESSIAH], to
Cyrus,..."
--
"All things are probable. Try to believe. Really! Try to believe even if
it's bloody stupid and irrational. Why? Because I said so, that's why!
Don't ask questions. Just believe." - Mark 17: 1- 3 (MTV)
Ike E 11/05/09
"jos boersema" <jo...@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
news:slrnhfo66e...@localhost.localdomain...
[snip]
> You seem to be inter-changing the God of Israel as represented in the
> Torah, with 'moshiach' or with anti-christ jesus.
You seem to be a complete moron who doesn't know up from down.
Oh, wait, there's a name for that...
..."Pharisee."
[snip]
Oh, and all this "Jesus freakery" is the only thing that will be left
standing when the smoke clears.
Ike
Ike E 11/05/09
"Mark-of-the-beas-T" <me@home000000000000531> wrote in message
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> "singin4free" <jffr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I know the Messiah
>
>
> Wonderful! Please tell me about you relationship with God's Messiah, King
> Cyrus of Persia!
>
>
> ISAIAH 45:1 "This is what the LORD says to his anointed *[MESSIAH], to
> Cyrus,..."
Once again, Mark-of-the-beas-T makes shows his ass.
There were "messiahs" who prefigured Christ, who was THE Messiah. It's
kinda' like the whole "King of kings, Lord of lords" and "God of gods"
thing, oh, clueless one: Jesus is "Messiah" of "messiahs," the former only
being the shadow of things to come, just as He is the King of the kings,
Lord of the lords, and, yes, God of the gods.
[snip]
Ike
guardian Snow
> > Mar 16:17 “And these signs shall accompany the ones who believe: In My
> > Name they shall cast out demons, they shall speak with renewed
> > tongues,
>
> All the power in heaven and earth was given to Yeshua. If we are *in*
> Him we also can do the works he does as he gives us of His Spirit. But
> outside of him we are like branches that fell off the vine - dead.
> Only in him is life and the light of men. What was the lie that the
> serpent told Eve to entice her to eat the fruit? It was a promise to
> be like God. This teaching you are putting forth is right in line with
> the humanistic and new age philosophies of today - elevating man and
> glorifying man. But the Bible says that in the end every knee shall
> bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the
> glory of God the Father. We are not to consider ourselves his equals.
> He is the ONLY Messiah. We are to consider him Lord and bend our knee
> before him as all the angels do. We will have life abundantly if we
> believe in him, but we are not just tapping into the same source as he
> is. He is the life.
>
> "In Him was Life and the Life was the Light of men" John 1:4
Thank you for proving the point of the post, maybe you should have
read it also.
guardian Snow
> "singin4free" <jffry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I know the Messiah
>
> Wonderful! Please tell me about you relationship with God's Messiah, King
> Cyrus of Persia!
>
> ISAIAH 45:1 "This is what the LORD says to his anointed *[MESSIAH], to
> Cyrus,..."
Let us not forget ALL the sons of Levi are Messiah and:
Zec 4:14 And he said, “These are the two anointed ones, who stand
beside the Master of all the earth.”
This verse says there are two besides the master of the earth. I
believe scriptures mentions something like 37 specific messiahs
including Isaiah, Jeremiah and Moses and Aaron of course...
singin4free
> "singin4free" <jffry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I know the Messiah
>
> Wonderful! Please tell me about you relationship with God's Messiah, King
> Cyrus of Persia!
>
> ISAIAH 45:1 "This is what the LORD says to his anointed *[MESSIAH], to
> Cyrus,..."
Joh 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh, which
is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
Joh 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
Did Cyrus tell you all things? Cyrus was a "type" of Christ. His
mission was to restore Israel to their nation after the captivity. He
did. But the mission of the Messiah (with a capital "M") was to
restore life to the spiritually and physically dead, and he did.
singin4free
I did read it and I think I addressed the main points appropriately.
singin4free
The Jews were not waiting for Cyrus or the sons of Levi. They were
waiting for a specific Messiah, the same as many of them still are
today.
singin4free
> ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.messianic.]
I'm glad that after all the unqualified "no's", you at least clarified
your stance with a substantial comment. I disagree with your judgment
on Israel. If God chose not to destroy them, how can you put yourself
in God's place to be their judge? Are you greater than the God of
Moshe? Obviously we are not on the same page. Thanks for your comments
but I will continue in my Jesus-freakery, as I do think it has an
impact both in this world of democratic law and economic
understanding, (even though this world is passing away), and eternal
consequences for the world yet to come.
I
>>> I know the Messiah
>> Wonderful! Please tell me about you relationship with God's Messiah,
>> King Cyrus of Persia!
>> ISAIAH 45:1 "This is what the LORD says to his anointed *[MESSIAH], to
>> Cyrus,..."
>
> Once again
Please tell me about you relationship with God's Messiah, King Cyrus of
Persia!
ISAIAH 45:1 "This is what the LORD says to his anointed *[MESSIAH], to
Cyrus,..."
Still waiting for your answer ....................
I
> > I know the Messiah
>
> Wonderful! Please tell me about you relationship with God's Messiah, King
> Cyrus of Persia!
>
> ISAIAH 45:1 "This is what the LORD says to his anointed *[MESSIAH], to
> Cyrus,..."
--------------------------------------
> Cyrus was a "type" of Christ.
Oh, so Jesus was King of Persia?????
Ike E 11/05/09
"I" <me@home000000000000534> wrote in message
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> Ignorant "Ike E 11/05/09" <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> I know the Messiah
>>> Wonderful! Please tell me about you relationship with God's Messiah,
>>> King Cyrus of Persia!
>>> ISAIAH 45:1 "This is what the LORD says to his anointed *[MESSIAH], to
>>> Cyrus,..."
>>
>> Once again
>
> Please tell me about you relationship with God's Messiah, King Cyrus of
> Persia!
Thanks for demonstrating what a single-minded jerk you are, which totally
disqualifies you from any measure of authority whatsoever. Now people know
they can dismiss anything you say the minute it comes out of your mouth,
since all you are going to do is continue your pedantic outbursts against
the Word of Truth with no consideration at all for the structured arguments
or proofs whenever someone stomps on your false teachings.
Even the Jesus Seminarians would be ashamed and embarrassed by the way you
abuse their writings (such as they are) by using them as instruments of
personal assault.
You know, now that I think of it, that would be a great idea: I should build
a catalog of your posts, and forward them to Crossan and the boys and see
what they think of your use of their materials.
I mean, I'll tell them I think they are outright heretics, no problem, so
they'll know EXACTLY where I'm coming from, no illusions.
I wonder what your gang would think of YOUR contributions, though?
Ike
jos boersema
> "jos boersema" <jo...@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
> news:slrnhfo66e...@localhost.localdomain...
>
> [snip]
>
>> You seem to be inter-changing the God of Israel as represented in the
>> Torah, with 'moshiach' or with anti-christ jesus.
>
> You seem to be a complete moron who doesn't know up from down.
Moron ? Aren't you supposed to "turn the other cheek," boy ?
> Oh, wait, there's a name for that...
>
> ..."Pharisee."
Better be a pharisee, then a jesus idolator.
> [snip]
>
> Oh, and all this "Jesus freakery" is the only thing that will be left
> standing when the smoke clears.
Incorrect, unless `evil' wins.
What will be left standing ?
Oh ... well I don't know but many things presumably ... water will
still fall down and fire will go up. But besides these things, if
the good side wins then that's the end for the new testament. I
don't see how it can survive after 2000 years of lying who was
the 'moshiach jesjaja 53,' and then the actual 'moshiach jesjaja
53' comes around. The only hope you had, was if that actual
'moshiach jesjaja 53' would say the jesus freakery should go on.
That's the only chance right ?
Look at it in another way then: what if 'the 2nd coming' happened,
and jesus said: "this jesus-freakery is all wrong, new testament
was a lie from the start !". Then what ? Then you turn to that new
jesus to "worship" presumably.
I guess what happens now is that people can choose either to be
human, or animal. "Worshipping" some human as a god is an act of
subjugation on the one hand, and an act of enslavement on the other.
It is a form of violence. Therefore it is animalist.
So ... i guess you have a chance to turn from an animal (there's
nothing wrong with being an animal, we are all animals), into a human.
The humans need not to do violence, for one we are powerful enough
with our technology against the other animals so they have no chance
to hurt us anymore. Oh, reality, what a wonderful thing ? And you
think all day about angels, and all that it's about is actual wolves
and bears in the wilderness. But you had the chance of ending this
subjugation/enslavement 'thing' that you are in. But if you want to
continue that, then i guess it could be said you have flunked that
teaching module.
You are now busy with the module "the false idol will not save us,
we have to do it ourselves." That's your module, jesus is the false
idol, he enslaves you and you subjugate to him. You also seem to
be mixing principles like 'good/love/charity' etc etc, with a person.
You make jesus like a principle, and then you pretend that the person
is the principle. So you got a fuzzy mind I guess.
I'm not suggesting you give up attachment to the principle of 'good/
love/charity' etc etc, not at all, rather I'm for it. But that's not
jesus, jesus was a person. He has lived a long time ago, and he was
not particularly bright and neither accomplished good things. *If*
there was anything good accomplished by the jesusfreak religion, it
is because of an attachement to the /principle/ of 'good/love/charity'
projected unto this jesus character. If you want to say something like
'the principle of good/love/charity is my guiding principle,' then
I'd say that's a very good thing indeed.
Only a casual look into the Tanach and "new testament" is required
to see that this jesus was not this 'moshiach jesjaja 53.' Also,
your using persons as "being the principle" is simply W R O N G.
It is idiocy. It is truly, insane. It is as a matter of fact:
pagan. Take a look at the pagan gods, what where they ? "The god
of war," "the god of beauty," the "god of justice." "the god of
death," "the god of life,' and so on and so on. You have done that
with 'jesus,' because you are still thinking like 'pagans,' you are
pagans. You have a pagan religion, where a person is interchanged
with a principle, merged / fused, and then worshipped as if that
where something real.
I've sometimes hypothesized this is a form of early politics.
Pagans "brought offerings to the Temple of the god of war," as
a way of voting their will. It wasn't so much about something
stupid like pretending that this Tohr actually needed those offerings,
it was the priests that needed these offerings to survive. But then
maybe things deteriorated over time, and why not let "the ignorant
sheeple" think that these are actual gods that actually live there.
This is what you have done with jesus. You could have just as well
used Apollo for jesus, it makes no difference. No wait that's the
wrong pagan god, Eros / Amor / Cupid is the god of love. However
that's not the kind of love meant, is it. No it is Appollo, you
worship Appollo, god of Justice and ... get this! Son of Zeus !
Ok, so you are an Appollo worshipper. I don't think if you mean
justice, order, good things with that, that isn't so bad. It is
a lot better then being a Tohr follower.
Ok, maybe that's the new name for jesusfreaks then: Apollo worship.
I am not Apollo either, please do note.
The whole jewish religion, it is very different from all that crazy
pagan stuff. Is Joshua a god ?! Is he "a principle" ?! Don't be
absurd. Don't be ... a pagan.
These "gods" and stuff, it is greek thought, it has to do with
abstractions and calling the abstractions more real then actual
reality. You see a lot of things in reality, and you can abstract
from that: some things are soft, others are harder. And then you
can pretend that the world has this soft-hard quality in it, it
is everywhere. Then you can say: well, since it is everywhere,
it rules. But how do I "imagine" that "thing" hard-soft ... well,
let's pretend it is a human being with special powers !
In that way you could have taken any person who risked his life
to save someone, and say: that person has so much of this 'sacrificing
compotent' into himself, to the detriment of all others maybe, this
person is the purest form of that principle -- he is that principle.
And because that principle is higher because it is everywhere, he
is ... a super human, a demi-god or a god.
This is how you think. You are a Greek pagan, and you worship Apollo.
It even comes back into the fact that in "Romans 13" (there is no
such addition to the Tanach) it says that Apollo followers (that's
you) need to obey the Government. Guess what: Apollo is the 'principle'
or 'god!' of order (too).
I beg you to understand that Apollo is just an imaginative form of
an abstraction. It isn't an actual being (as far as anyone knows),
and it isn't going to save your problems because you are perfectly
capable of solving all these problems in the world if you merely
wanted to. For sure you could do a hell of a lot more, especially
the whole Apollo movement; which is about 1 billion strong these days
just about ?
In a sense you could also say I'm with Apollo , in the sense that
Apollo is a principle of good/order/charity etc ((i know charity isn't
the final answer, don't bother -- these things are vague at best)).
But I'm not waiting on a magical being to solve all problems, who
is suposedly a son of the god of ultimate power (Zeus).
Jesus is Apollo
Zeus is what you call "God, the father"
Satan or Hera is the new name for Thanatos, god of death
You are pagan, simple as that. You think like a pagan, you put
general qualities in th eworld, yau abstract them, and then
project them outwards while projecting your own self unto them.
Something like that. You then expect to be saved by these projections.
Since it is all so vague and basically a way of weird thinking, maybe
that is why it is so hard to get rid of it, and to get people to do
something rather then sitting on their asses waiting for magical
creatures to come help them with what they are easily capable of doing.
You think Apollo - if he existed - would come down here to help you
with what you can do right now no problem at all ? I think ... not.
That's the problem with these pagans: head in the clouds, feeling
superior all day, the world goes to hell around them and they do
nothing.
--
http://www.socialism.nl
I
>>>>> I know the Messiah
>>>> Wonderful! Please tell me about you relationship with God's Messiah,
>>>> King Cyrus of Persia!
>>>> ISAIAH 45:1 "This is what the LORD says to his anointed *[MESSIAH], to
>>>> Cyrus,..."
>>> Once again
>> Please tell me about you relationship with God's Messiah, King Cyrus of
>> Persia!
>
> Thanks
No worries.
Rod
> On Nov 10, 9:36 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>> On Nov 11, 10:28 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Didn't you know? Snowjob feels entitled to hate his enemies since he
>>> is not a Christian. That 'Love your enemies' teaching he keeps posting
>>> is just an attempt to thwart his opposition whom he feels must keep
>>> silence in the face of his antichrist teachings because, as he says,
>>> they have a "higher calling" than he does.
>> belief system is wrong�.. Rather, I say to my Christian brother, �If
>> your belief system works for you, I am happy for you but I have no
>> desire to share your understanding, so instead of arguing with me
>>
>> Jas 2:14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief
>> but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.
>>
>> A hypocrite is basically an actor playing a character,
>
> Like you play-act at being an open-minded person with a moral
> character.
As you play cat at being a Christian, when you go around
saying words like d*mn, cr*p and making accusations that you
haven't been able to back up yet!
Kinda like that, eh ??? I knopw why you won't leave snow alone,
it isn't because he preaches a false gospel, it is because he has
exposed you for doing it. Can't have that, can ya loser ?
guardian Snow
> Linda Lee wrote:
> > On Nov 10, 9:36 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> >> On Nov 11, 10:28 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Didn't you know? Snowjob feels entitled to hate his enemies since he
> >>> is not a Christian. That 'Love your enemies' teaching he keeps posting
> >>> is just an attempt to thwart his opposition whom he feels must keep
> >>> silence in the face of his antichrist teachings because, as he says,
> >>> they have a "higher calling" than he does.
> >> your belief system works for you, I am happy for you but I have no
> >> desire to share your understanding, so instead of arguing with me
>
> >> Jas 2:14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief
> >> but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.
>
> >> A hypocrite is basically an actor playing a character,
>
> > Like you play-act at being an open-minded person with a moral
> > character.
>
> As you play cat at being a Christian, when you go around
> saying words like d*mn, cr*p and making accusations that you
> haven't been able to back up yet!
>
> Kinda like that, eh ??? I knopw why you won't leave snow alone,
> it isn't because he preaches a false gospel, it is because he has
> exposed you for doing it. Can't have that, can ya loser ?
How are you holding up brother? I hope the day is treating you well
and you feel at peace with all that comes to you.
guardian Snow
“Faith is an excitement and an enthusiasm: it is a condition of
intellectual magnificence to which we must cling as to a treasure, and
not squander on our way through life in the small coin of empty words,
or in exact and priggish argument.”
George Sand
In scriptures, YHWH calls on all of humanity to change, to become a
renewed creature. Humanity stuck in its old ways has used this word
of YHWH in all the wrong ways. Seeking to dominate each other rather
than themselves, they fear change. Raised into a belief system, they
spend the rest of that lifetime defending it rather than perfecting
it.
Mat 5:48 “Therefore, be perfect, as your Father in the heavens is
perfect.”
A clear example of this type of behavior are those who reject Elohim
YHWH EL Shaddai for other beliefs such as Evolution. On a regular
bases, you will find the heathens scouting around and they say the
Genesis account of scriptures is not true. I personally believe in
the 6 day creation. The very concept of evolution is CHANGE and so,
it begs the question again, Can we change?
“If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at
change.”
Wayne Dyer
When a person goes to work in a new occupation, they learn new words
and a new vocabulary as they grow and learn new ideas and
understandings. Those words establish certain ideas in the mind of
the person that uses them. This same idea carries on in our entire
life and science has established this in what is called, “Neuro
Linguistic Programming”.
Now some people have come to associate words differently and a clear
example of this is the word, “GOD”.
To some, if you said “God”, they might think of Jesus Christ and
others might think Allah, Buddha, Krishna or even the Dalai Lama.
The Dalai Lama teaches, “Open your arms to change, but don't let go of
your values.”, but what if what you value is wrong? Some men value
authority, conquest, control and money and use any means to acquire
more of it. Shouldn’t you want to let go of those values that serve
nobody but the self and in fact can be destructive forces in the
world? Do you think it’s a coincidence that the entire world worships
“God”? Ask the Muslim, Jew, Christian, Catholic or any monotheistic
worshiping person who they worship and the word always enters the
conversation even if they all mean different deities.
Ironically, each religion says that the other religions are not true
and yet they all have the same vocabulary in speaking of what they
believe except when it comes to one thing, A Name. Christians will
tell you that the Greek name of Jesus Christ is God which is ironic
when they claim he was a Jew that doesn’t have a Jewish name, as given
in Zechariah 6: 11,12.
Jew’s will say, Adonai HeShem (Lord name) or some other silly title is
the name of their creator, because they choose to bring his name to
naught by never teaching it by man made traditions.
Muslim’s say Allah is God but in all these religions, the worship of
“God” as creator is what unifies them all. The name “God” is
worshiped by all.
Rev 13:7 And it was given to him to fight with the set-apart ones and
to overcome them. And authority was given to him over every tribe and
tongue and nation.
Many people forget the, “fight of the tongue” and have submitted to
authority of false worship by use of the very words they speak that
have the power of life and death. They have forgotten:
Mat 12:37 “For by your words you shall be declared righteous, and by
your words you shall be declared unrighteous.”
Most of the time, we sit around and never really consider the power of
words in our daily life but the words we think actually relate to how
we react to any given situation and form the bases of our moral
understanding. Are you in the “favor” of YHWH, or “grace”? Grace by
implication means all is forgiven and forgotten, while favor implies
privileged opportunity.
The case for grace:
In Christian doctrine, everything on Mt. Sinai is now a “weak and
unprofitable” (Heb 7:18) mistake and now we can pick and choose “moral
laws” ourselves that we follow regardless of the fact that the
commandments were written by the hand (Exo 31:18) of the same
“perfect” creator.
YHWH chooses Israel and then proceeds to tell them, not to murder (Exo
20:13), not to sacrifice their children (Psa 106:38), not to spill
innocent blood (Deu 19:10) and then somehow in Christianity, all these
things that are evil and repugnant became an act (committed by the
Romans but blamed on the Jews) that saves the world… How do murder,
human sacrifice and the spilling of his son’s blood redeem the
world? The use of “grace” leads all who practice this faith to hate
YHWH and love “Jesus”. YHWH becomes the evil villain that commands
bad Jews who never listen, Jesus becomes savior for allowing exactly
what men shouldn’t do, be done to him and this act brings about
“grace”. Grace by murder and bloodshed…
The fruit of this grace is that they go to church on a day commanded
by church men, because somehow the unchanging “God”, changed his mind
about what he wrote. Is it a wonder why there are so many atheists
who observe Christians pretending to be self righteous and then raping
altar boys and behaving like devils in use net every day?
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Taste like a lemon to me.
The doctrine of Favor says that YHWH was always forgiving and that his
Son was sent to be a light to the world. Favor says that the perfect
offering is a spiritual offering done in communion to YHWH and that we
should worship are Father in the spirit and ask for forgiveness.
Favor says that we acknowledge our love of YHWH by keeping his Torah
as best we know how and establishing the commandments in our lives and
in return he blesses his children.
Favor says that your beliefs must become action, where as grace says
nothing different then, “Live as you please and if you believe, Ye
shall not die but shall be as God.”
The words you come to associate with your beliefs will become the
instigator of your actions. To change, you must choose to associate
new words to correspond with how you react.
“If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always
gotten. “
Tony Robbins
The clearest way to demonstrate this is by answer a simple question,
“Life is like _______” How do you fill in the blank?
If life is a game, then it might have rules and you want to win, so
you play to dominate the other players. If life is a war, then you
must determine if the people that you meet are friends or foes and
there is little room for in between. If life is a dance it might be
something wonderful and beautiful… it all depends on what you
associate to the words that gives these things it’s meaning… but can
you see where your reaction might change if you’re on either a
battlefield or a dance floor to any given situation???
Change the words you associate to something and you change the way you
feel and the way you react and behave. So, change is instant and
happens from one moment to the next and we can change and have… the
question is are you willing to change who you are and do you even want
to?
The keys to change rest in a simple passage:
Mat 7:7 “Ask and it shall be given to you, seek and you shall find,
knock and it shall be opened to you.
Mat 7:8 “For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and
to him who knocks it shall be opened.
Mat 7:9 “Or is there a man among you who, if his son asks for bread,
shall give him a stone?
Mat 7:10 “Or if he asks for a fish, shall he give him a snake?
Mat 7:11 “If you then, being wicked, know how to give good gifts to
your children, how much more shall your Father who is in the heavens
give what is good to those who ask Him!
Mat 7:12 “Therefore, whatever you wish men to do to you, do also to
them, for this is the Torah and the Prophets.
Are you asking the right questions? Questions are the control to your
life. Do you ask disempowering questions of yourself or questions
that empower you? You should ask yourself, “What would make the
biggest difference in my life? How can I bring about the change in my
life that helps me better serve YHWH?”
Change your questions and you’ll change your experience. Whatever we
ask for, we’ll get an answer to, whether it’s true or not, so ask
better questions of yourself and YAHWEH.
The most quoted remarks of President Kennedy got us to, “Ask not what
my country can do for me, ask what I can do for my country.”
Shalom,
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We fear to know the fearsome and unsavory aspects of ourselves, but we
fear even more to know the godlike in ourselves.
Abraham Maslow
Psa 82:6 I, I said, “You are elohim, And all of you are sons of the
Most High.
Psa 82:7 “But as men you die, And fall as one of the heads.”
Linda Lee
> On Nov 14, 7:20 am, Rod <spa...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >LindaLeewrote:
> > > On Nov 10, 9:36 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > >>> Didn't you know? Snowjob feels entitled to hate his enemies since he
> > >>> is not a Christian. That 'Love your enemies' teaching he keeps posting
> > >>> is just an attempt to thwart his opposition whom he feels must keep
> > >>> silence in the face of his antichrist teachings because, as he says,
> > >>> they have a "higher calling" than he does.
> > >> I am not going to be so arrogant to think to tell Christians, “your
> > >> belief system is wrong”.. Rather, I say to my Christian brother, “If
> > >> your belief system works for you, I am happy for you but I have no
> > >> desire to share your understanding, so instead of arguing with me
> > >> about what you believe, go put your faith into practice.”
>
> > >> Jas 2:14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief
> > >> but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.
>
> > >> A hypocrite is basically an actor playing a character,
>
> > > Like you play-act at being an open-minded person with a moral
> > > character.
>
> > As you play cat at being a Christian, when you go around
> > saying words like d*mn, cr*p and making accusations that you
> > haven't been able to back up yet!
>
> > Kinda like that, eh ??? I knopw why you won't leave snow alone,
> > it isn't because he preaches a false gospel, it is because he has
> > exposed you for doing it. Can't have that, can ya loser ?
>
> How are you holding up brother? I hope the day is treating you well
> and you feel at peace with all that comes to you.
Looks like your hypocritical "brother" (who has called me a "b*tch"
and agreed with you that I was a Jezebel whom he claims with a "slut")
is still acting like you do at times and has renounced belief in the
Messiah as God incarnate just as you do, since he believes your
"gospel" is true and believes you have "exposed" mine as false (LOL!).
On Nov 14, 7:41 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
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> On Nov 14, 11:25 pm,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > [Dolf wrote] Snow, what are we to assume of your own religious belief when you
> > > > yourself make a distinction of your religious belief from Christians?
Snowjob replied to Dolf:
> > > You should take only that which you find useful and put it into
> > > practice in your own life. If you find I have no value to you then
> > > ignore me as most people do. If you find that I have the occasional
> > > bit of wisdom that inspires you to be a better person, then use it.
> > > The only purpose that I post my messages is to help my fellow man in
> > > his walk of life and if I'm not helping ... what am I doing? By
> > > extension anything that is not helpful should either be ignored or
> > > discarded as hurtful.
> > > My belief is just that... "my belief" and I do not think to command
> > > any man to take on my belief. I only ask that you treat me with the
> > > common respect of a fellow human being
I wrote:
> > Yet you failed to extend a woman that same respect you now claim to
> > grant fellow human beings, saying you were trying to "help" me when
> > you attempted to force me to take on YOUR belief by calling me "whore"
> > and other names over a period of several months because I refused to
> > bow to your demands I relinquish the King James version of the Bible
> > and discard belief in the Messiah as God incarnate as the only
> > Saviour, and discontinue use of such words as Holy, God, and LORD,
> > which you had deemed as pagan.
> > In fact one of the last things you've posted to me was "BE DAMNED,
> > JEZEBEL WITCH".
...
Snowjob replies to me:
> Everybody brings me joy. Some when they post messages to me and
> others when they refrain. That ignorance which does not help should
> simply be ignored.
And I replied to Snowjob:
My posts to you are not ignorance and should not be ignored -- unless
you don't mind always getting the same result. You are called Snowjob
not because of your religious beliefs, but because of your hypocrisy,
in particular your constant lauding of yourself and posturing as
something you are not. Perhaps you can do that in your private life
and get away with it, since there is no evidence, but here there is
written evidence what you claim about yourself is simply not true.
Other posters here have called me names, and I have eventually
forgiven and forgotten *without* an apology and have never mentioned
it again later. You however are a different story because you insist
on posting false claims about yourself and your behavior -- claims you
do not resort to name-calling; claims you don't try to force others to
take on your beliefs; claims you respect others' beliefs; claims you
don't argue, etc., and you add to that falseness with your
hypocritical exhortations to others not to act the way you are known
to do. I will add that your 'respect for others' beliefs' seems to be
limited solely to male posters, as it is generally women (myself,
Vera, Debra) who have been the object of your attempts to bully others
into believing as you do and to do what you say.
Snowjob continues:
> Isa 45:20 “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
> have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
> up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
> not save.
And I expose his insinuation as a false idea here:
Obviously (based upon your rejection of Christ as God incarnate), you
are insinuating Isa. 45:20 is referring to Christians and a wooden
cross (or stake).
IF that were true (and it's NOT true), don't you think God would have
been more specific and revealed that the Gentiles would mistakenly
worship the Christ God would send them, the Christ whom all the
prophets prophesied would come?
INSTEAD of issuing any warning not to worship Christ, in Isa. 11:10
GOD SAYS the GENTILES would find "REST" when they would TURN TO
___WORSHIP___ of THE CHRIST. CHRIST - who would "judge the poor" and
"slay the wicked" (Isa. 11:4), and in whom the Gentiles would find
"rest" (Isa. 11:10), NOT damnation:
Isa. 11:10, "And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which
shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek
[defined "specifically to worship"]: and his rest shall be glorious".
The word here translated 'seek' - Heb. 1875 - "A primitive root;
properly to tread or frequent; usually to follow (for pursuit or
search); by implication to seek or ask; ___specifically to
WORSHIP".___
Regarding the Messiah:
Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse,
and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit
of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the
spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isa 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the
LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither
reprove after the hearing of his ears:
Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove
with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth
with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he
slay the wicked.
Isa 11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and
faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard
shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the
fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall
lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and
the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for
the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters
cover the sea.
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall
stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and
his rest shall be glorious.
Rod
> On Nov 13, 9:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>> On Nov 14, 7:20 am, Rod <spa...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> LindaLeewrote:
>>>> On Nov 10, 9:36 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 11, 10:28 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Didn't you know? Snowjob feels entitled to hate his enemies since he
>>>>>> is not a Christian. That 'Love your enemies' teaching he keeps posting
>>>>>> is just an attempt to thwart his opposition whom he feels must keep
>>>>>> silence in the face of his antichrist teachings because, as he says,
>>>>>> they have a "higher calling" than he does.
>>>>> your belief system works for you, I am happy for you but I have no
>>>>> desire to share your understanding, so instead of arguing with me
>>>>> Jas 2:14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief
>>>>> but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.
>>>>> A hypocrite is basically an actor playing a character,
>>>> Like you play-act at being an open-minded person with a moral
>>>> character.
>>> As you play cat at being a Christian, when you go around
>>> saying words like d*mn, cr*p and making accusations that you
>>> haven't been able to back up yet!
>>> Kinda like that, eh ??? I knopw why you won't leave snow alone,
>>> it isn't because he preaches a false gospel, it is because he has
>>> exposed you for doing it. Can't have that, can ya loser ?
>> How are you holding up brother? I hope the day is treating you well
>> and you feel at peace with all that comes to you.
>
>
> Looks like your hypocritical "brother" (who has called me a "b*tch"
I called you a b*tch because you act like a b*tch, you talk like
a b*tch and you fight like a b*tch. Must be a b*tch, huh ??
If it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck,
it's gotta be a duck!
> and agreed with you that I was a Jezebel whom he claims with a "slut")
> is still acting like you do at times and has renounced belief in the
> Messiah as God incarnate just as you do,
Excuse me....this isn't true in the least, you do error. I said before
and I'll say it again, the Father incarnated Himself into the Christ,
laying aside His divinity not only to die as redeemer but to
experience life as human, suffering our frailties and knowing our
strengths in order to provide us with the knowledge on how to conquer
our humanness. He couldn't have done either if he hadn't become mortal,
and yes...He was His own Son. Just as He breathed life into us from Him
He did as well with the Christ.
But Christ Himself said as well, there is ONE that should be
worshiped, and ONE only...The FATHER, NOT Christ.
Next time don't lie about me...
Rod
> On Nov 14, 7:20 am, Rod <spa...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> Linda Lee wrote:
>>> On Nov 10, 9:36 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 11, 10:28 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>> Didn't you know? Snowjob feels entitled to hate his enemies since he
>>>>> is not a Christian. That 'Love your enemies' teaching he keeps posting
>>>>> is just an attempt to thwart his opposition whom he feels must keep
>>>>> silence in the face of his antichrist teachings because, as he says,
>>>>> they have a "higher calling" than he does.
>>>> your belief system works for you, I am happy for you but I have no
>>>> desire to share your understanding, so instead of arguing with me
>>>> Jas 2:14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief
>>>> but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.
>>>> A hypocrite is basically an actor playing a character,
>>> Like you play-act at being an open-minded person with a moral
>>> character.
>> As you play cat at being a Christian, when you go around
>> saying words like d*mn, cr*p and making accusations that you
>> haven't been able to back up yet!
>>
>> Kinda like that, eh ??? I knopw why you won't leave snow alone,
>> it isn't because he preaches a false gospel, it is because he has
>> exposed you for doing it. Can't have that, can ya loser ?
>
> How are you holding up brother?
I'm losing.
I hope the day is treating you well
It is.
> and you feel at peace with all that comes to you.
Not all of it.
guardian Snow
> >> Kinda like that, eh ??? I knopw why you won't leave snow alone,
> >> it isn't because he preaches a false gospel, it is because he has
> >> exposed you for doing it. Can't have that, can ya loser ?
>
> > How are you holding up brother?
>
> I'm losing.
Then you need to remember that another person only has the authority
that you grant them and no more. If we allow a person to get under our
skin they will. If we do not allow them, they can't. The fact that
you are being tested is good because you have the chance to learn this
lesson while it is still relatively harmless people who have no
authority and no ability to communicate anything effective.
> I hope the day is treating you well
>
> It is.
Remember a time when you were happy? Return to this place at this
moment. A journey can begin with a single step or we can transport
ourselves instantly in spirit without the need to even move. People
think they are their emotion and this causes them all kinds of sadness
but the reality is that you have control over how you feel. Your mind
is a fortress that only you have privy too. You can choose to focus
on those things that deserve your attention or you can choose to focus
on those things that need you to ignore them are and a waste of your
time and energy.
Your thoughts can be controlled like driving a car and if you focus on
crashing into walls, you will.. if you focus on arriving at your
destination, you will. It is the journey that brings happiness, not
the destination because no matter where you are, their you are and
that is the one constant, time is the illusion.
“Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that
smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray. “- Lord
Byron
> > and you feel at peace with all that comes to you.
>
> Not all of it.
Peace doesn't come to those who seek it, it comes to those who make
it.
“Adversity is the first path to truth.”
Lord Byron
Psalm 16.
I am always aware of YAHWEH presence; he is near, and nothing can
shake me. And so I am thankful and glad, and I feel completely
secure, because you protect me from the power of death. I have
served you faithfully, and you will not abandon me to the world of the
dead. You will show me the path that leads to life; your presence
fills me with joy and brings me pleasure forever.
Joh 14:21 “He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who
loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall
love him and manifest Myself to him.”
That Yehoshua has manifested the spirit, that is Yahweh, is something
lost to those who strive in only dogma and live in perpetual
unforgiveness because they have not learned to forgive first, without
expectation for that in itself negates the present, the NOW.
Mat 6:12 ‘And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
'Men have forgotten this truth,' said the fox. 'But you must not
forget it. You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed.'
And now here is my secret, a very simple secret; it is only with the
heart that one can see rightly, what is essential is invisible to the
eye.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
“Begin to see yourself as a soul with a body rather than a body with a
soul.”
Wayne Dyer
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
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Courage is like love; it must have hope for nourishment.”
Napoleon Bonaparte
Linda Lee
> LindaLeewrote:
> > On Nov 13, 9:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> >> On Nov 14, 7:20 am, Rod <spa...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> LindaLeewrote:
> >>>> On Nov 10, 9:36 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> >>>>> On Nov 11, 10:28 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Didn't you know? Snowjob feels entitled to hate his enemies since he
> >>>>>> is not a Christian. That 'Love your enemies' teaching he keeps posting
> >>>>>> is just an attempt to thwart his opposition whom he feels must keep
> >>>>>> silence in the face of his antichrist teachings because, as he says,
> >>>>>> they have a "higher calling" than he does.
> >>>>> your belief system works for you, I am happy for you but I have no
> >>>>> desire to share your understanding, so instead of arguing with me
> >>>>> Jas 2:14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief
> >>>>> but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.
> >>>>> A hypocrite is basically an actor playing a character,
> >>>> Like you play-act at being an open-minded person with a moral
> >>>> character.
> >>> As you play cat at being a Christian, when you go around
> >>> saying words like d*mn, cr*p and making accusations that you
> >>> haven't been able to back up yet!
> >>> Kinda like that, eh ??? I knopw why you won't leave snow alone,
> >>> it isn't because he preaches a false gospel, it is because he has
> >>> exposed you for doing it. Can't have that, can ya loser ?
> >> How are you holding up brother? I hope the day is treating you well
> >> and you feel at peace with all that comes to you.
>
> > Looks like your hypocritical "brother" (who has called me a "b*tch"
>
> I called you a b*tch because you act like a b*tch, you talk like
> a b*tch and you fight like a b*tch. Must be a b*tch, huh ??
Oh, didn't the little woman obey your demand I defer to your venomous
buddy Snowjob?
And since you said, "As you play cat [at] at being a Christian, when
you go around saying words like d*mn, cr*p and making accusations that
you haven't been able to back up yet!", then by your own criteria you
are not a Christian yourself.
>
> If it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck,
> it's gotta be a duck!
That's how I got the idea you're a male chauvinist pig as well; you
act like one, hypocritically excusing your male buddies concerning the
same things for which you condemn women (your first offense), trying
to order women that they should defer to your male buddies (your
second offense), and you talk like one calling women filthy names
(your third offense) Three strikes - you're out; you're a male
chauvinist pig.
>
> > and agreed with you that I was a Jezebel whom he claims with a "slut")
> > is still acting like you do at times and has renounced belief in the
> > Messiah as God incarnate just as you do,
>
> Excuse me....this isn't true in the least, you do error. I said before
> and I'll say it again, the Father incarnated Himself into the Christ,
Snowjob denies Christ was anything other than a prophet, so either you
lie now or you lie when you said, "I knopw why you won't leave snow
alone, it isn't because he preaches a false gospel, it is because he
has exposed you for doing it."
But you're like your confused male chauvinist buddies Snowjob and Ike,
liars and hypocrites, applying one standard to others while you act as
evil as you please, at the same time maintaining how holy you are.
> laying aside His divinity not only to die as redeemer but to
> experience life as human, suffering our frailties and knowing our
> strengths in order to provide us with the knowledge on how to conquer
> our humanness. He couldn't have done either if he hadn't become mortal,
> and yes...He was His own Son. Just as He breathed life into us from Him
> He did as well with the Christ.
>
> But Christ Himself said as well, there is ONE that should be
> worshiped, and ONE only...The FATHER, NOT Christ.
>
> Next time don't lie about me...
You don't make any sense; the usual for you. On the one hand you deny
that Christ was the Father, and then confirm that he was by saying,
"He was His own Son". The Son of God was the Father incarnate in the
flesh as the Son of Man. So yes, Christians worship the Father (who
was incarnate as the Son of God) in the NAME of the Messiah.
The Hebrew Scriptures say the Gentiles would worship Christ who would
give them rest for their souls.
guardian Snow
> INSTEAD of issuing any warning not to worship Christ, in Isa. 11:10
> GOD SAYS the GENTILES would find "REST" when they would TURN TO
> ___WORSHIP___ of THE CHRIST. CHRIST - who would "judge the poor" and
> "slay the wicked" (Isa. 11:4), and in whom the Gentiles would find
> "rest" (Isa. 11:10), NOT damnation:
Isa 11:2 The Spirit of YAHWEH shall rest upon Him – the Spirit of
wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit
of knowledge and of the fear of YAHWEH,
Unfortunately you do not understand the prophetic nature of these
passage as usual but when you examine the context it reads:
sa 11:9 They do no evil nor destroy in all My set-apart mountain, for
the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of YAHWEH as the waters
cover the sea.
This day has not yet come because even we demonstrate that we do not
know YAHWEH and the Good News is that this is alright for he knows us.
Isa 45:4 ‘For the sake of Yaʽaqoḇ My servant, and of Israel My
chosen, I also call you by your name, I give you a title, though you
have not known Me.
Isa 45:5 ‘I am YAHWEH, and there is none else – there is no Elohim
besides Me. I gird you, though you have not known Me,
Isa 45:6 so that they know from the rising of the sun to its setting
that there is none but Me. I am YAHWEH, and there is none else,
Isa 45:7 forming light and creating darkness, making peace and
creating evil. I, YAHWEH, do all these.’
No other name is given and while you continue to deny his name, you
only provide more evidence that Isaiah 11 has not occurred. You can
blame the Jews on Christian practices of removing his name from
scriptures but the DEAD SEA SCROLLS show you wrong. They only
acknowledge the name of YAHWEH to be worshiped. Elohim is spirit,
learn to worship the spirit in truth.
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
“Begin to see yourself as a soul with a body rather than a body with a
soul.”
Wayne Dyer
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
Respond directly:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download scriptures free
http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip
Restored Names King James for E-sword
“A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.
Courage is like love; it must have hope for nourishment.”
Napoleon Bonaparte
“A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read.”
Mark Twain
Rod
> On Nov 14, 11:57 am, Rod <spa...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> LindaLeewrote:
>>> On Nov 13, 9:46 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 14, 7:20 am, Rod <spa...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>> LindaLeewrote:
>>>>>> On Nov 10, 9:36 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Nov 11, 10:28 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Didn't you know? Snowjob feels entitled to hate his enemies since he
>>>>>>>> is not a Christian. That 'Love your enemies' teaching he keeps posting
>>>>>>>> is just an attempt to thwart his opposition whom he feels must keep
>>>>>>>> silence in the face of his antichrist teachings because, as he says,
>>>>>>>> they have a "higher calling" than he does.
>>>>>>> your belief system works for you, I am happy for you but I have no
>>>>>>> desire to share your understanding, so instead of arguing with me
>>>>>>> Jas 2:14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief
>>>>>>> but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.
>>>>>>> A hypocrite is basically an actor playing a character,
>>>>>> Like you play-act at being an open-minded person with a moral
>>>>>> character.
>>>>> As you play cat at being a Christian, when you go around
>>>>> saying words like d*mn, cr*p and making accusations that you
>>>>> haven't been able to back up yet!
>>>>> Kinda like that, eh ??? I knopw why you won't leave snow alone,
>>>>> it isn't because he preaches a false gospel, it is because he has
>>>>> exposed you for doing it. Can't have that, can ya loser ?
>>>> How are you holding up brother? I hope the day is treating you well
>>>> and you feel at peace with all that comes to you.
>>> Looks like your hypocritical "brother" (who has called me a "b*tch"
>> I called you a b*tch because you act like a b*tch, you talk like
>> a b*tch and you fight like a b*tch. Must be a b*tch, huh ??
>
>
> Oh, didn't the little woman obey your demand I defer to your venomous
> buddy Snowjob?
> And since you said, "As you play cat [at] at being a Christian, when
> you go around saying words like d*mn, cr*p and making accusations that
> you haven't been able to back up yet!", then by your own criteria you
> are not a Christian yourself.
And alas, this is how I knew, oh false one.
>
>> If it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck,
>> it's gotta be a duck!
>
> That's how I got the idea you're a male chauvinist pig as well; you
> act like one, hypocritically excusing your male buddies concerning the
> same things for which you condemn women (your first offense), trying
> to order women that they should defer to your male buddies (your
> second offense), and you talk like one calling women filthy names
> (your third offense) Three strikes - you're out; you're a male
> chauvinist pig.
Thank you for the compliment.
>
>>> and agreed with you that I was a Jezebel whom he claims with a "slut")
>>> is still acting like you do at times and has renounced belief in the
>>> Messiah as God incarnate just as you do,
>> Excuse me....this isn't true in the least, you do error. I said before
>> and I'll say it again, the Father incarnated Himself into the Christ,
>
> Snowjob denies Christ was anything other than a prophet, so either you
> lie now or you lie when you said, "I knop why you won't leave snow
> alone, it isn't because he preaches a false gospel, it is because he
> has exposed you for doing it."
I didn't lie. You're just refusing to acknowledge the truth.
>
> But you're like your confused male chauvinist buddies Snowjob and Ike,
> liars and hypocrites, applying one standard to others while you act as
> evil as you please, at the same time maintaining how holy you are.
I'm not confused..you ARE a b*tch. Nothing to be confused about there...
>
>
>> laying aside His divinity not only to die as redeemer but to
>> experience life as human, suffering our frailties and knowing our
>> strengths in order to provide us with the knowledge on how to conquer
>> our humanness. He couldn't have done either if he hadn't become mortal,
>> and yes...He was His own Son. Just as He breathed life into us from Him
>> He did as well with the Christ.
>>
>> But Christ Himself said as well, there is ONE that should be
>> worshiped, and ONE only...The FATHER, NOT Christ.
>>
>> Next time don't lie about me...
>
>
> You don't make any sense; the usual for you.
If I didn't make any sense as you say, why further down in
the paragraph are you suddenly able to "magically understand"
what I'm saying, eh lying Linda Lee ?
Oh..I know...it was a moment of clarity shining thru your Alzheimer's,
right ?
> On the one hand you deny
> that Christ was the Father,
Lie.
> and then confirm that he was by saying,
> "He was His own Son". The Son of God was the Father incarnate in the
> flesh as the Son of Man. So yes, Christians worship the Father (who
> was incarnate as the Son of God) in the NAME of the Messiah.
Good grief...you got something right! You're now batting 1 out of 500!
>
> The Hebrew Scriptures say the Gentiles would worship Christ who would
> give them rest for their souls.
>
> INSTEAD of issuing any warning not to worship Christ, in Isa. 11:10
> GOD SAYS the GENTILES would find "REST" when they would TURN TO
> ___WORSHIP___ of THE CHRIST. CHRIST - who would "judge the poor" and
> "slay the wicked" (Isa. 11:4), and in whom the Gentiles would find
> "rest" (Isa. 11:10), NOT damnation:
>
> Isa. 11:10, "And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which
> shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek
> [defined "specifically to worship"]: and his rest shall be glorious".
I'm sorry, but I do believe that you are misapplying this prophecy.
Linda Lee
> On Nov 15, 7:08 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > INSTEAD of issuing any warning not to worship Christ, in Isa. 11:10
> > GOD SAYS the GENTILES would find "REST" when they would TURN TO
> > ___WORSHIP___ of THE CHRIST. CHRIST - who would "judge the poor" and
> > "slay the wicked" (Isa. 11:4), and in whom the Gentiles would find
> > "rest" (Isa. 11:10), NOT damnation:
>
> Isa 11:2 The Spirit of YAHWEH shall rest upon Him – the Spirit of
> wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit
> of knowledge and of the fear of YAHWEH,
You are so spiritually BLIND you cannot even comprehend what Isaiah
Chapter Eleven is saying, which is that the Gentiles would worship
Christ and find rest in him. Likely you refuse to acknowledge it
because you are an antichrist.
INSTEAD of issuing any warning not to worship Christ, in Isa. 11:10
GOD SAYS the GENTILES would find "REST" when they would TURN TO
***WORSHIP of THE CHRIST.***
CHRIST - who would "judge the poor" and "slay the wicked" (Isa. 11:4),
and in whom the Gentiles would find "rest" (Isa. 11:10), NOT damnation
- in other words, God as the Saviour and Judge:
Linda Lee
>
>
> > [Regarding Christ:]
> > Isa. 11:10, "And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which
> > shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek
> > [defined "specifically to worship"]: and his rest shall be glorious".
>
> I'm sorry, but I do believe that you are misapplying this prophecy.
What a LAME statement; you do believe I am misapplying it to WHAT?
Are you implying you're claiming Isaiah Chapter Eleven is not speaking
of the Christ? LOL. You and Snowjob would be like Laurel and Hardy,
except that your Christ-denying is not funny, only your stupidity is
like them.
Rod
> On Nov 14, 5:51 pm, Rod <spa...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>
>
>>> [Regarding Christ:]
>>> Isa. 11:10, "And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which
>>> shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek
>>> [defined "specifically to worship"]: and his rest shall be glorious".
>> I'm sorry, but I do believe that you are misapplying this prophecy.
>
>
> What a LAME statement; you do believe I am misapplying it to WHAT?
That would have been clear to even a mongoloid. What's your excuse ?
> Are you implying you're claiming Isaiah Chapter Eleven is not speaking
> of the Christ? <snip self serving garbage>
Not quite with it yet, R U ? I know, you're confused and the
alzheimers has a grip on you.
vince garcia
>
> On Nov 14, 3:23 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> > On Nov 15, 7:08 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > > INSTEAD of issuing any warning not to worship Christ, in Isa. 11:10
> > > GOD SAYS the GENTILES would find "REST" when they would TURN TO
> > > ___WORSHIP___ of THE CHRIST. CHRIST - who would "judge the poor" and
> > > "slay the wicked" (Isa. 11:4), and in whom the Gentiles would find
> > > "rest" (Isa. 11:10), NOT damnation:
> >
> > Isa 11:2 The Spirit of YAHWEH shall rest upon Him � the Spirit of
> > wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit
> > of knowledge and of the fear of YAHWEH,
>
> You are so spiritually BLIND you cannot even comprehend what Isaiah
> Chapter Eleven is saying, which is that the Gentiles would worship
> Christ and find rest in him. Likely you refuse to acknowledge it
> because you are an antichrist.
Seems to me the antichrist will indeed claim that HE is the messiah
Ed Form
> Seems to me the antichrist will indeed claim that HE is the messiah
You have it upside down, Vince. The established Christian churches will
claim that Messiah is antichrist and will whip up a crusade against him by
that claim. What other concept did you imagine would persuade 'all
nations' to attack Jerusalem when God's power is present to wipe them out?
Ed Form
guardian Snow
> Seems to me the antichrist will indeed claim that HE is the messiah
From wars to spousal abuse, violence dominates society. So many of us
are raised in the conflict view of society that says, “I’m right and
unless you agree with me, you’re an idiot” or “antichrist”.
Ecc 1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities;
all is vanity.
Brennan Manning a Catholic priest, who was later quoted by Christian
music group DC Talk said, " The Greatest single cause of Atheism in
the world today are Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips
and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an
unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."
I doubt that people realize or consider the ramifications of their
actions. More often then not people spend the time they have looking
at everybody else and being the judge of them so that they don’t have
to face the problems in their own lives.
What I find shocking is that while these are message boards about
religion and spirituality, the main topic on most people’s minds are
the other people that post and religion is usually a subtitle or a
weapon to be lashed about like a bull in Spain. On a planet with 7
billion people, each one of us wants to believe we’re “special” and
unique. Maybe it’s a downfall of religion that we go around trying to
say my “God” is bigger than your “God”. Christians, Judaism and
Muslims all speak of one “God” and yet each says the others are a
false religion. Each faith is built upon the Torah and each one has
become something far different from the original writings
My Christian brothers spend their time ignoring every scripture they
preach. How often do I see in the anger of somebody calling another
person “fool”. Making enemies and treating people despicably instead
of actually discussing our faith, were not happy unless we are
attacking somebody and hence the title of this post.
Unless we disagree with the post or the title, we never take the time
to just say.. “you know.. that was a nice post and I agree with you”.
No.. Instead we attack the character of each other. It’s a very
depressing atmosphere where everybody is busy trying to show that they
are right and everybody else is wrong… I just happen to be the one
person that is always right. (JOKE)
Mat 10:25 “It is enough for the taught one to become like his teacher,
and a servant like his master. If they have called the master of the
house Beʽelzebul, how much more those of his household!
Is it the fault of our religion that we all feel a want and need to be
special? To be that one person who leads the world out of harms way
and onto the right path? We all believe Elohim/”God” is our “God” and
how often are we called “antichrist”, devil or some other ridiculous
name. A guy in my home town once asked after a riot, “Why can’t we
just get along?”. Rodney King couldn’t have been closer to the truth
at any point in his life. Over 50 people died as a result of that
riot in L.A. alone and I remember those days all to clear.
Why do we have such a hard time just expressing our point of view and
then respecting what other people believe? I realize that all of you
are wrong and that I’m the one person with a true revelation. Unless
we learn to respect other peoples beliefs, regardless if it’s wrong or
not, we’re doomed as a race of people.
Why do we insist on playing “God” and being the judge of our
brothers? Why is it that so many Christians only respond when it’s a
hateful, hurtful response? Are we that hurt ourselves that we take
our depression out on anybody that dares to step into our line of
sight for attack? If the scriptures tell us to love our enemies,
where is that love?
I think atheist watch the way we behave as people of faith and by our
own bad example we are driving more people from the faith we profess
then bringing in. The topic of our conversations shouldn’t be each
other but the Elohim/”God” we profess we believe in. The comments
about how stupid somebody is should be reserved to not being put to
text.
But that's just my opinion. I'm nobody important or special.. Just
me.. One of 7 billion people on this somehow lonely planet.
It seems to me that we all have some type of "Messiah" complex that we
think we are the only inspired person that must lead Israel back to
the promise land. Albert Schweitzer said, “At times our own light
goes out and is rekindled by a spark from another person. Each of us
has cause to think with deep gratitude of those who have lit the flame
within us.”
Mat 10:38 “And he who does not take up his stake and follow after Me
is not worthy of Me.
Yehoshua that most know as Jesus Christ said to follow after him, to
emulate him and be like him and the scriptures say:
Isa 53:11 He would see the result of the suffering of His life and be
satisfied. Through His KNOWLEDGE My righteous Servant MAKES MANY
RIGHTEOUS, and He bears their crookednesses.
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
a moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
I saw my hometown burning that day.
Rodney King
If you listen to your fears, you will die never knowing what a great
person you might have been.
Robert H. Schuller
P.S., I don't believe I'm the Messiah. People see that title and
have
something they can argue about... that’s why I chose that title.
(Mar 16:2) (Mar 16:9) (Luk 18:12) (Luk 24:1)(Matt 28:1 on its second
instance)
(Joh 20:1) (Joh 20:19) (Act 20:7) (1Co 16:2) (Heb 4:9)
Each of these verses that have the word Sabbath removed.
Rod
Do you understand what it feels like to be bullied and stalked now,
Linda ? I've often wondered if you would come to grips with it long
enough to realize the truth.
I hope you'll end the "bullying and hatred in the name of Christ",
or at least take a cue from what has happened to others.
Even a sheep can become a wolf, Linda....
randy
"Ed Form"
>> Seems to me the antichrist will indeed claim that HE is the messiah
> You have it upside down, Vince. The established Christian churches will
> claim that Messiah is antichrist and will whip up a crusade against him by
> that claim. What other concept did you imagine would persuade 'all
> nations' to attack Jerusalem when God's power is present to wipe them out?
The delusion of "liberal theology" is indeed leading the "established
church" into moral error, and may very well be leading in this direction.
Thankfully, I don't think the "gates of Hell" will ever be able to prevail
against true Christians who follow the true example that Jesus set for us,
morally.
randy
Linda Lee
> LindaLeewrote:
>
> > On Nov 14, 3:23 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> > > On Nov 15, 7:08 am,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > > INSTEAD of issuing any warning not to worship Christ, in Isa. 11:10
> > > > GOD SAYS the GENTILES would find "REST" when they would TURN TO
> > > > ___WORSHIP___ of THE CHRIST. CHRIST - who would "judge the poor" and
> > > > "slay the wicked" (Isa. 11:4), and in whom the Gentiles would find
> > > > "rest" (Isa. 11:10), NOT damnation:
>
> > > Isa 11:2 The Spirit of YAHWEH shall rest upon Him – the Spirit of
> > > wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit
> > > of knowledge and of the fear of YAHWEH,
>
> > You are so spiritually BLIND you cannot even comprehend what Isaiah
> > Chapter Eleven is saying, which is that the Gentiles would worship
> > Christ and find rest in him. Likely you refuse to acknowledge it
> > because you are an antichrist.
>
> Seems to me the antichrist will indeed claim that HE is the messiah
I don't see how anyone knowing the NT Scriptures could fall for a
false Christ because of the way the Messiah describes his return (see
at bottom). More than likely the Scriptures describing his return will
come under new criticisms.
But many Gentiles already follow and worship Christ as Isa. 11:10 says
they would, and in whom they would find glorious rest for their souls
(i.e. eternal life).
Isa. 11:10, "And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which
shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles
seek: and his rest shall be glorious".
The word here translated 'rest' - Heb. 4496 - "repose or (adverbially)
peacefully; figuratively consolation (specifically matrimony); hence
(concretely) an abode".
Notice the definitions of "rest" as an abode, peacefully, and
"specifically matrimony" when comparing that to the believers being
'married to the Lamb' (Rev. 19:7-9).
The word here translated 'seek' - Heb. 1875 - "A primitive root;
properly to tread or frequent; usually TO FOLLOW (for pursuit or
search); by implication to seek or ask; ___specifically to
WORSHIP".___
In a comparison to this word's definition of "to seek or ask" in Isa.
11:10 (which also meant "to follow" and "specifically to worship"),
the use and the meaning of the same word, "seek", in Matt. 7:7 is
interesting:
Matt. 7:7 the Messiah says, "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and
ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you". And here the
word translated "seek" also means "specifically (by Hebraism) to
worship" (only the word "worship" is a definition, identified by it
being in italics in the Strong's; the words in parentheses are
Strong's explanations).
So when the Messiah tells us to "seek" in Matt. 7:7, the Messiah is
saying to worship him -- because of course elsewhere Christ tells us
HE is the door at which we should knock:
John 10:7-9, "Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say
unto you, I am the door of the sheep ...I am the door: by me if any
man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find
pasture."
Anyone trying to make people ashamed of worshipping Christ as God just
doesn't know or understand the Hebrew Scriptures. It was prophesied
the Gentiles would follow and worship Christ and find peace and a
glorious abode through marriage to him.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or
there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets,
and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were
possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the
desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it
not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth
even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Linda Lee
> Rod wrote:
> >LindaLeewrote:
> >> On Nov 14, 5:51 pm, Rod <spa...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> [Regarding Christ:]
> >>>> Isa. 11:10, "And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which
> >>>> shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek
> >>>> [defined "specifically to worship"]: and his rest shall be glorious".
> >>> I'm sorry, but I do believe that you are misapplying this prophecy.
>
> >> What a LAME statement; you do believe I am misapplying it to WHAT?
>
> > That would have been clear to even a mongoloid. What's your excuse ?
>
> >> Are you implying you're claiming Isaiah Chapter Eleven is not speaking
> >> of the Christ? <snip self serving garbage>
>
> > Not quite with it yet, R U ? I know, you're confused and the
> > alzheimers has a grip on you.
>
> enough to realize the truth.
>
> I hope you'll end the "bullying and hatred in the name of Christ",
> or at least take a cue from what has happened to others.
>
> Even a sheep can become a wolf,Linda....
You're no sheep and neither is Snowjob.
Rod
And you're no Christian, Pharisee...
Rod
This is how I know, and because I know it to be true I hold to it;
"If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated
you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but
because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the
world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I
said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have
persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my
saying, they will keep yours also. But all these things will they do
unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent
me. John 15:18-21
vince garcia
you really lost me on this one, ed. isn't the antichrist supposed to sit
in the temple and proclaim he is God, rather than the people say Jesus
is the antichrist?
vince garcia
>
>
> P.S., I don't believe I'm the Messiah. People see that title and
> have
> something they can argue about... that’s why I chose that title.
>
>
Then you shouldn't bait them. You knew everyone would attack you for
posting that inflammatory remark, and you got what you deserved
You are not messiah. You are not anointed either. (By God anyway)
Linda Lee
LOL. The subject title keeps changing in this thread, so I didn't
really get you were referring to Snowjob's subject title of "I AM
MESSIAH" when you said, "Seems to me the antichrist will indeed claim
that HE is the messiah".
No, when I say he is "antichrist" I don't think he is The Antichrist,
just one of many antichrists who harass believers and work diligently
to try to destroy faith in Christ. It is appalling he would dare make
such a claim at all for any reason, but then an antichrist has no
respect for Christ.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard
that antichrist shall come, even now are there MANY ANTICHRISTS;
whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they
had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they
went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of
us.
That is interesting in relation to Snowjob as well, since he began as
a Christian and "went out from us" in abandoning the faith because he
was "not of us"; he was just at heart a 'ravening wolf in sheep's
clothing' for a time.
Jonathan Schattke
> On Nov 15, 6:49 am, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > LindaLeewrote:
>
> I don't see how anyone knowing the NT Scriptures could fall for a
> false Christ because of the way the Messiah describes his return (see
> at bottom). More than likely the Scriptures describing his return will
> come under new criticisms.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets,
and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were]
possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Great signs and wonders, I would guess, will confuse them.
And then, a lot of "believers" are also going to fit this bill:
Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath
shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the
door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say
unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Then shall ye begin to say,
We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our
streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are;
depart from me, all [ye] workers of iniquity. There shall be weeping
and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and
Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you
[yourselves] thrust out.
Peace and Joy to you, and may you be at that table when Yahushwa
returns.
Ed Form
> Ed Form wrote:
>>
>> On 15/11/2009 11:49:20, vince garcia wrote:
>>
>> > Seems to me the antichrist will indeed claim that HE is the messiah
>>
>> You have it upside down, Vince. The established Christian churches will
>> claim that Messiah is antichrist and will whip up a crusade against him by
>> that claim. What other concept did you imagine would persuade 'all
>> nations' to attack Jerusalem when God's power is present to wipe them out?
>
> you really lost me on this one, ed. isn't the antichrist supposed to
> sit in the temple and proclaim he is God, rather than the people say
> Jesus is the antichrist?
No, Vince, the man of sin will do those things. It's a description of the
papacy. Antichrists were originally Jewish opponents of Jesus - they
denied he was Messiah. The idea that there will be a latter-day Antichrist
who will do all these bad things is a myth. It will actually be the Lord
Jesus himself - who else will rebuild the Temple and who else will declare
himself to be the worlds new king? It's the Lord himself Vince, get a
grip!
Read this...
The sixth phial shall be poured out upon that
great river Euphrates, that being dried up,
a passage may be prepared for new enemies of
the Beast to come from the East; that is for
the Israelites to be wonderfully converted to
the pure faith and worship of Christ, and now
to have conferred upon them the Kingdom
promised so many ages since. Whom the
worshippers of the Beast, haply, shall esteem
for the army of their imaginary Antichrist to
arise from among the Jews, God so revenging
the obstinacy of their error: of whom, that
we are the forerunners, they doubt not at this
day to affirm...
...the worshippers of the beast, or followers
of Rome's Pope, will see in Christ and his
Israel their imaginary Antichrist and his army.
This was written as a warning by Joseph Mede in 1632 - a real protestant.
Ed Form
Linda Lee
> On Nov 15, 3:56 pm,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 15, 6:49 am, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > > LindaLeewrote:
> > > Seems to me the antichrist will indeed claim that HE is the messiah
>
> > I don't see how anyone knowing the NT Scriptures could fall for a
> > false Christ because of the way the Messiah describes his return (see
> > at bottom). More than likely the Scriptures describing his return will
> > come under new criticisms.
>
> Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets,
> and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were]
> possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
>
> Great signs and wonders, I would guess, will confuse them.
You would think though that the great wonders could not include this
(which sounds like it should be the first evidence that Christ has
returned):
Rev. 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and _every eye shall see
him,_ and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth
shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."
I do know a lot of people who profess to be Christians who have never
bothered to read even the New Testament Scriptures, and only know of
some of the Scriptures by word-of-mouth, so perhaps they would be
likely to be convinced by what seem to be miracles, even though the
conditions do not align with the Scriptures.
>
> And then, a lot of "believers" are also going to fit this bill:
> Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath
> shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the
> door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say
> unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Then shall ye begin to say,
> We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our
> streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are;
> depart from me, all [ye] workers of iniquity. There shall be weeping
> and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and
> Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you
> [yourselves] thrust out.
>
> Peace and Joy to you, and may you be at that table when Yahushwa
> returns.
May you be as well, Jonathan. It is a scary thought one might be
deceived (assuming one is still alive at the second coming).
Linda Lee
> On 16/11/2009 12:02:26, vince garcia wrote:
>
> > Ed Form wrote:
>
> >> On 15/11/2009 11:49:20, vince garcia wrote:
>
> >> > Seems to me the antichrist will indeed claim that HE is the messiah
>
> >> You have it upside down, Vince. The established Christian churches will
> >> claim that Messiah is antichrist and will whip up a crusade against him by
> >> that claim. What other concept did you imagine would persuade 'all
> >> nations' to attack Jerusalem when God's power is present to wipe them out?
>
> > you really lost me on this one, ed. isn't the antichrist supposed to
> > sit in the temple and proclaim he is God, rather than the people say
> > Jesus is the antichrist?
>
> No, Vince, the man of sin will do those things.
The "man of sin" is what many think of as the Antichrist.
Although he is not called the Antichrist in the Scriptures, and
instead is called a prince who would come against the Messiah, I don't
see how he is allegedly imaginary. ?
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of
the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the
Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street
shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off,
but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come
shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be
with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince
which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a
time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to
that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every
one that shall be found written in the book.
Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken
away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be
a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
I just found the following by Mede, and haven't had a chance to read
all of it it, but I do notice that the Scriptures say in Dan. 9:17 the
sanctuary is desolate for the Lord's sake (desolated because the
abomination was that idols had been worshipped there). Dan. 9:17, "Now
therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of thy servant, and his
supplications, and cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is
desolate, for the Lord's sake." Also Armageddon itself when the
Gentiles come against Jerusalem is certainly God's doing.
Although Mede seems to equate the desolator in Daniel with Christ, he
does not seem to equate the 'man of sin' with Christ.
Here is an excerpt of John Mede's interpretation of Daniel ('Daniel’s
Weeks - An Interpretation of part of the Prophecy of Daniel: By Joseph
Mede' - pages 44-47) where he says the 'desolator' in Daniel is
actually Christ:
"But who is this Desolator, or Maker of Desolations, who should
command over this Wing of Abominations, and bring these Gentiles
against the Holy City? The words in the original stand indifferent to
be applied either to be applied to the Roman General, or Messiah; but
I could not render them so indifferently: For if I render them, And in
half a week a desolator shall cause the sacrifice and offering to
cease, and that (being) over a wing of abominations, or, Over a wing
of abominations (shall he be) who makes desolate; This Desolater would
then seem to be some other than Messiah, that is the Roman General:
But render them as I do, And making desolation, or being a desolater,
He shall cause the sacrifice and offering to cease, and [commanding]
over a wing of abominations, be a desolator: either way of these, they
will have reference to MESSIAH the Prince, who is the person meant in
the words immediately before, [He shall confirm a covenant with many
one week.] And this I most incline to, that so the person spoken of
may be the same throughout, and a reason also appear of that
additament, that this desolater should be over an army of
abominations: For if a foreign General were only meant, what needed
this addition? what other army could such a one lead, but Gentiles?
But that Messiah himself should command over an army of idolater, this
needed a special intimation.
And surely the Roman Army, though an army of abominations, was
in this service the Army of Messiah: So the parable aiming at this
prophecy tells us Matthew 22: 7. When the King heard how spitefully
they entreated his messengers who came to tell them, the Wedding
whereunto they had been bidden, was ready: “He was wroth (saith the
Text) and sent forth his armies and destroyed those murderers, and
burnt up their city. Whence it is, that the coming of this desolating
army of the Romans is called the coming of Christ, James 5. “Weep and
howl ye rich men (he writeth to Jews) for the miseries that shall come
upon you; for you have heaped up goods for the last days; That is,
(according to Oecumenius) when the end of your State is a coming and
the Romans shall spoil you of all: which is expressed in the eighth
verse by Christ’s comming; “Be ye patient (saith he) until the coming
of the Lord, (he speaks to the believing Jews whom the rest
persecuted) and in the next, “Stablish your hearts for the coming of
the Lord draweth nigh; He meaneth (saith Oecumenius) . So he takes
that of John, “If I will that he stay till I come, that is (saith
he) , till the destruction of Jerusalem. And proves that this coming
of Christ is Excidium Hierosolymorum, by that of Malachi Chapter 3.
“Behold, the Lord shall come, and who shall abide the day of his
coming?” And thus would I understand that Hebrews 10:37. “For yet a
little while and He that shall come will come, and will not tarry.”
Messiah therefore himself seems to be that Desolator here meant, who
should command over an army of abominations, when he came to destroy
the City and Sanctuary."
- from http://reformedlayman.com/Medes%2070%20weeks/Daniels%2070%20Weeks%20-web.htm
Ike E 11/16/09
"Ed Form" <ed....@theformsonline.com> wrote in message
news:4b01c785$0$2529$da0f...@news.zen.co.uk...
> On 16/11/2009 12:02:26, vince garcia wrote:
>
>> Ed Form wrote:
>>>
>>> On 15/11/2009 11:49:20, vince garcia wrote:
>>>
>>> > Seems to me the antichrist will indeed claim that HE is the messiah
>>>
>>> You have it upside down, Vince. The established Christian churches will
>>> claim that Messiah is antichrist and will whip up a crusade against him
>>> by
>>> that claim. What other concept did you imagine would persuade 'all
>>> nations' to attack Jerusalem when God's power is present to wipe them
>>> out?
>>
>> you really lost me on this one, ed. isn't the antichrist supposed to
>> sit in the temple and proclaim he is God, rather than the people say
>> Jesus is the antichrist?
>
> No, Vince, the man of sin will do those things.
???
They're the same person.
> It's a description of the
> papacy.
Not exactly: Daniel said one who WASN'T in line would assume the position,
so it will be a fraud from OUTSIDE Christianity that assumes the role (not
that the RCC isn't doing a good job of keeping the door open for Satan and
the gang).
> Antichrists were originally Jewish opponents of Jesus - they
> denied he was Messiah.
No, that's not what "antichrist" means.
"Antichrist" isn't just denying that Jesus is the Messiah.
"Antichrist" [Gk: antikristos, or "opposing christ"] and "false christ" [Gk:
pseudo Kristos, or false christ] is referring to another Messianic claimant
who ISN'T the Messiah, a.k.a. Jesus, but says he (or, perhaps we should say
"she") is.
> The idea that there will be a latter-day Antichrist
> who will do all these bad things is a myth.
The hell it is.
> It will actually be the Lord
> Jesus himself - who else will rebuild the Temple and who else will declare
> himself to be the worlds new king? It's the Lord himself Vince, get a
> grip!
You're out to lunch.
The Jews will rebuild the temple--which will be a flat-out rejection of
Jesus as the Messiah--LONG before the false messiah shows up on the scene.
Jesus condemned the temple of idolatry in His day, and He'll destroy their
new temple of idolatry when He comes, as HIS temple is His own body, and the
collective body of the believers are His REAL "holy city--they're the REAL
"Jerusalem" of God.
> Read this...
>
> The sixth phial shall be poured out upon that
> great river Euphrates, that being dried up,
> a passage may be prepared for new enemies of
> the Beast to come from the East; that is for
> the Israelites to be wonderfully converted to
> the pure faith and worship of Christ, and now
> to have conferred upon them the Kingdom
> promised so many ages since. Whom the
> worshippers of the Beast, haply, shall esteem
> for the army of their imaginary Antichrist to
> arise from among the Jews, God so revenging
> the obstinacy of their error: of whom, that
> we are the forerunners, they doubt not at this
> day to affirm...
> ...the worshippers of the beast, or followers
> of Rome's Pope, will see in Christ and his
> Israel their imaginary Antichrist and his army.
>
> This was written as a warning by Joseph Mede in 1632 - a real protestant.
No, a real Reformation/Counter Reformation Era moron.
Ike
guardian Snow
What do I deserve? Knowing you would attack a concept you don't
understand really was the topic.
Rod
You know, you really don't have room to talk, you venom spewing
hag. As many people as you've insulted and brutalized on usenet
with your volatile temper and wicked tongue.
You rotten old whore...
Linda Lee
> LindaLeewrote:
Birds of a feather flock together; the three buddies, Ike, Snowjob,
and Rod, the three stooges, three little (male chauvinist) pigs.
Linda Lee
> On Nov 16, 11:04 pm, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > guardian Snow wrote:
>
> > > P.S., I don't believe I'm the Messiah. People see that title and
> > > have
> > > something they can argue about... that’s why I chose that title.
>
> > Then you shouldn't bait them. You knew everyone would attack you for
> > posting that inflammatory remark, and you got what you deserved
>
> > You are not messiah. You are not anointed either. (By God anyway)
>
> What do I deserve?
Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before
of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace
of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our
Lord Jesus Christ."
> Knowing you would attack a concept you don't
> understand really was the topic.
More of your endless babble.
The Messiah never told us we would be saviours of others. You are not
anointed as the Messiah.
John 1:29 "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith,
Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."
Rod
and one rotten old whore called Lying Linda Lee...
guardian Snow
You know what's kind of sad buddy... that this is about being non-
violent and not a single Christian has stepped up to the plate to
speak out on the topic. I hope your having a great day... it's hot
here!
Rod
Most won't, I fear. The Christians you see today are more
about personal gain and impressing others with their false
piety than actually caring about the truth. Big churches,
preachers in 3 piece suits making 40 to 100K a year......
and thru all of this...the poor are still poor, the lame
stay lame, and for a nominal sum the TV preacher can heal
you. And if you're a real popular preacher like Jimmy Swaggart
you can afford to visit prostitutes and pay them with the
congregations money.
I believe that Christianity is so far removed from YHVH and
truth that they won't find there way back.
I hope your having a great day...
Having a busy one, thats for certain!
it's hot
> here!
It's cold and grey here, the fishing has gone downhill.
Linda Lee
> impressing others with their false piety
An example of which Rod now offers an example...
>
> I believe that Christianity is so far removed from YHVH and
> truth that they won't find there way back.
LOL. AS IF you know God.
Snowjob says to Rod, "You will find it is a common tactic to accuse
other people of the very thing you are guilty of... Excellent
thoughts." - http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/msg/0adfc17f981beec2
guardian Snow
The fishing will pick up... simply believe and you will have a
miracle:)
How do we change for the better?
“Faith is an excitement and an enthusiasm: it is a condition of
intellectual magnificence to which we must cling as to a treasure, and
not squander on our way through life in the small coin of empty words,
or in exact and priggish argument.”
George Sand
In scriptures, YHWH calls on all of humanity to change, to become a
renewed creature. Humanity stuck in its old ways has used this word
of YHWH in all the wrong ways. Seeking to dominate each other rather
than themselves, they fear change. Raised into a belief system, they
spend the rest of that lifetime defending it rather than perfecting
it.
Mat 5:48 “Therefore, be perfect, as your Father in the heavens is
perfect.”
A clear example of this type of behavior are those who reject Elohim
YHWH EL Shaddai for other beliefs such as Evolution. On a regular
bases, you will find the heathens scouting around and they say the
Genesis account of scriptures is not true. I personally believe in
the 6 day creation. The very concept of evolution is CHANGE and so,
it begs the question again, Can we change?
“If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at
change.”
Wayne Dyer
Ironically, each major religion says that the other religions are not
true and yet they all have the same vocabulary in speaking of what
they believe except when it comes to one thing, A Name. Christians
will tell you that the Greek name of Jesus Christ is God which is
ironic when they claim he was a Jew that doesn’t have a Jewish name,
as given in Zechariah 6: 11,12.
Many people forget the, “fight of the tongue” and have submitted to
authority of false worship by use of the very words they speak that
have the power of life and death. They have forgotten:
Mat 12:37 “For by your words you shall be declared righteous, and by
your words you shall be declared unrighteous.”
Most of the time, we sit around and never really consider the power of
words in our daily life but the words we think actually relate to how
we react to any given situation and form the bases of our moral
understanding. Are you in the “favor” of YHWH, or “grace”? Grace by
implication means all is forgiven and forgotten, while favor implies
privileged opportunity.
The words you come to associate with your beliefs will become the
instigator of your actions. To change, you must choose to associate
new words to correspond with how you react.
“If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always
gotten. “
Tony Robbins
The clearest way to demonstrate this is by answer a simple question,
“Life is like _______” How do you fill in the blank?
If life is a game, then it might have rules and you want to win, so
you play to dominate the other players. If life is a war, then you
must determine if the people that you meet are friends or foes and
there is little room for in between. If life is a dance it might be
something wonderful and beautiful… it all depends on what you
associate to the words that gives these things it’s meaning… but can
you see where your reaction might change if you’re on either a
battlefield or a dance floor to any given situation???
Change the words you associate to something and you change the way you
feel and the way you react and behave. So, change is instant and
happens from one moment to the next and we can change and have… the
question is are you willing to change who you are and do you even want
to?
The keys to change rest in a simple passage:
Mat 7:7 “Ask and it shall be given to you, seek and you shall find,
knock and it shall be opened to you.
Mat 7:8 “For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and
to him who knocks it shall be opened.
Mat 7:9 “Or is there a man among you who, if his son asks for bread,
shall give him a stone?
Mat 7:10 “Or if he asks for a fish, shall he give him a snake?
Mat 7:11 “If you then, being wicked, know how to give good gifts to
your children, how much more shall your Father who is in the heavens
give what is good to those who ask Him!
Mat 7:12 “Therefore, whatever you wish men to do to you, do also to
them, for this is the Torah and the Prophets.
Are you asking the right questions? Questions are the control to your
life. Do you ask disempowering questions of yourself or questions
that empower you? You should ask yourself, “What would make the
biggest difference in my life? How can I bring about the change in my
life that helps me better serve YHWH?”
Change your questions and you’ll change your experience. Whatever we
ask for, we’ll get an answer to, whether it’s true or not, so ask
better questions of yourself and YAHWEH.
The most quoted remarks of President Kennedy got us to, “Ask not what
my country can do for me, ask what I can do for my country.”
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fear even more to know the godlike in ourselves.
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Psa 82:6 I, I said, “You are elohim, And all of you are sons of the
Most High.
Psa 82:7 “But as men you die, And fall as one of the heads.”
Linda Lee
>
> You know what's kind of sad buddy...
Isn't your "buddy" the sweetest thing?
> that this is about being non-
> violent and not a single Christian has stepped up to the plate to
> speak out on the topic.
Ever think the lack of response is because people generally don't
believe you're moral enough or bright enough to be their spiritual
teacher?
Rod
Generally I'd have to say that they aren't bright enough...they let
a whore lead them..kind of like you. Their priorities are money
centered first and foremost. When the money goes the faith eventually
fails. It has happened all over the country....
I thank YHVH that I have no money..I could always have it and end up
like some of you will..
Good day whore....
guardian Snow
fight for peace. Nothing will end war unless the people themselves
refuse to go to war.
Albert Einstein
“War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.”
The popular song from the sixties claimed war was good for nothing
during Vietnam and here we are 40 plus years farther down the road in
two more wars.
Alfred Adler said, “It is easier to fight for one's principles than to
live up to them.” A very good person who I consider a teacher for me
responded to my quote from the Pope about violence:
“Violence and arms can never resolve the problems of men. “
Pope John Paul II
> Ask the 12 million killed in Nazi death camps if violence solved
> anything for them.
But they were the victims of violence?!?
Sun Tzu in the Art of War said, “To fight and conquer in all our
battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in
breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.”
>Ask the Jews whether the Arabs would have given up the
> attack without the violence they used in defense.
Do you honestly think the Arabic nations have given up? From what I
understand, several nations are still in a declared state of war with
Israel. Sun Tzu then said, “Know your enemy and know yourself and you
can fight a hundred battles without disaster.”
> The Torah contains many instances of capital punishment, and other violent
> punishments for breaking the Law.
True but the same Torah makes compassion the law.
Deu 4:31 “For YAHWEH your Elohim is a compassionate Ěl,
He does not forsake you, nor destroy you,
nor forget the covenant of your fathers which He swore to them.
>Y'hvah is not against violence or
> killing, per se, he is against murder.
The earth was first destroyed because it was filled with violence.
Gen 6:13 and Elohim said to Noaḥ, “The end of all flesh has come
before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them. And
see, I am going to destroy them from the earth.
I hope my brothers will give serious consideration to the fact that
the ONLY reason given for the destruction of the earth by flood was
VIOLENCE. Charles Stanley said, “A Christian has no right being in
a fight unless it's a spiritual fight.” And he was right.
>The reason that there is death a
> penalty in the Torah is because violence DOES solve things.
I will disagree with you brother and point to the teachings of
Yehoshua who said:
Mat 26:52 Then Yehoshua said to him, “Return your sword to its place,
for all who take the sword shall die by the sword.
A dead man
> harms no one. A live reprobate will continue to harm people. A dead man
> can not proselytize for a false God.
And who are we to determine this false deity that we should be our
brother’s judge? Is it not that we should judge rightly for
ourselves?
Psa 94:2 Raise Yourself up, O Judge of the earth; Render punishment to
the proud.
> The Torah, though, only allowed killing on the testimony of two or three
> witnesses, not on hearsay or for vengeance.
A trial by jury is not violence then is it but rather justice and this
justice was not carried out by a man but by Elohim. It is not until
you can see that the Torah speaks of harsh punishments as a deterrent
to transgression not as an ends, lest we ourselves are destroyed by
the same judgment we place on our brother’s head.
YAHWEH does not destroy us and until we learn to trust in him alone to
be our strength, our protector and our vengeance and our JUSTICE, we
have none.
Luk 22:36 And He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take
it, likewise also a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his garment
and buy one.”
That the threat of violence should be the deterrent becomes painfully
obvious because we go out as sheep among the wolves but ultimately my
battles are not fought with arms and weapons or do you not believe the
promise of him who sent you into this world?
Isa 54:17 “No weapon formed against you shall prosper, and every
tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall prove wrong. This
is the inheritance of the servants of YAHWEH, and their righteousness
from Me,” declares YAHWEH.
Mohandas Gandhi said, “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
then they fight you, then you win.”
You my friend are that servant and nothing will take you out of his
hands and in this, is my hope that you find your strength in the
darkest of days to put your faith in YAHWEH and allow those who do
wrong dig their own ditch while you try to keep them on the path of
righteousness.
Isa 55:7 Let the wrong forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his
thoughts. Let him return to Yahweh, who has compassion on him, and to
our Elohim, for He pardons much. 8 “For My thoughts are not your
thoughts, neither are your ways My ways,” declares Yahweh. 9 “For as
the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your
ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.
You are called to a high station my friend to an Elohim we do not know
ourselves, yet he knows us.
Isa 45:3 ‘And I shall give you the treasures of darkness and hoarded
wealth of secret places, so that you know that I, YAHWEH, who are
calling you by your name, am the Elohim of Israel.
Isa 45:4 ‘For the sake of Jacoḇ My servant, and of Israel My chosen,
I also call you by your name, I give you a title, though you have not
known Me.
Isa 45:5 ‘I am YAHWEH, and there is none else – there is no Elohim
besides Me. I gird you, though you have not known Me,
Isa 45:6 so that they know from the rising of the sun to its setting
that there is none but Me. I am YAHWEH, and there is none else,
We have ONE JUDGE and ONE CREATOR who will judge all, don’t try to
think it’s you. Peace is not something we seek, it is something we
make!
Mat 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, because they shall be called
sons of Elohim.
Violence on the other hand is cursed:
Psa 55:9 Confuse, O Yahweh, divide their tongues, For I saw violence
and strife in the city.
“Love is a better teacher than duty.”
Albert Einstein
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Hi, I'm pretending to be like Messiah. My name is Snow, did you know
that God speaks to me before He speaks to you, He's my daddy, and He
likes me more than all people you on the Internet. God loves me more
than all those people that my ancestors enslaved those Black Hebrews.
Linda Lee
Rod (aka “Psychotic Sewer Imp”),
You're known as a troll, a liar, a paranoid psychotic, and a Christian-
hater on these boards, calling them names and then claiming they are
not Christians when they argue with you. You've found a kindred soul
in Snowjob (aka guardian Snow) the antichrist hypocrite. It has been
Snowjob's habit to pretend friendliness towards Christians, to hand
out false compliments, and then to begin to criticize them and their
entire belief system, calling them names while condemning them for
failing to love him, their sworn enemy, falsely accusing them of being
liars, and saying he's disgusted with their lies while he lies with
every post. Snowjob has done this with me and others, including Vera
Six whom you hate.
When you began posting to me and e-mailing me with your claim of
having had a supernatural experience, several Christian posters warned
me that you had pretended the same with them, feigned friendliness,
and then had gone on the attack. I took a 'wait and see' attitude with
you. I waited, and now I see; they were right.
You've judged me as “insane” for not accepting the apologies of a
person (Snowjob) who repeatedly attacked and then apologized. This
went on for months. He'd repeatedly call me a “whore” because I
refused to stop using the KJV Bible and the words God and Holy and
Lord as he had insisted, and a “murderer” after he found out I had
voted for President Obama (and like the male chauvinist hypocrite he
is, he condones you voting for Obama), and then would accuse me of
being unforgiving if I would not accept his apologies as valid; I'd
accept his apology, then he'd insult me again, often within minutes in
another thread.
You all three are hypocritical psychotic brain-dead male chauvinist
pigs who demand women should not be allowed to discuss the Scriptures
and must keep silence about them (Ike); demand women must hold the
religious and political beliefs dictated to them while allowing other
men the right to form their own beliefs (hypocritical Snowjob); and
demand women must roll over and wordlessly accept the insults directed
at them without saying anything back (hypocritical you). You all three
started the name-calling with me, and now you and Snowjob pretend you
are innocent victims and are only retaliating to being called names.
Since it is your tactic to hypocritically attempt to justify your
buddies (Snowjob and Lying Ike) and your own name-calling, the three
of you calling me lesbian, whore, murderer, witch, Jezebel, slut,
harlot, she beast, and other names (both you and Snowjob, like the
lying asses you are, saying you are doing so to “help” the person) and
to put on a false front as some kind of holy men when you're not
calling people names, lying about what you have done, you're as insane
and evil as they are. You and your male chauvinist buddy Snowjob are
both simply anti-Christian trolls and trouble-making hypocrites,
children of the Devil, condoning each others' sins and lies while you
condemn others.
Linda Lee
><his usual garbage>
Antichrist hypocrite Snowjob,
Neither you nor your male chauvinist buddy Ike really care about or
believe what you preach.
Ike lies about what I believe (falsely claiming that I deny the deity
of the Messiah and that I claim we are able to obey the Ten
Commandments without the help of Christ's righteousness), but
hypocritically exempts you Snowjob whom he knows DOES deny the deity
of the Messiah and falsely claims we should be able to and must obey
the Ten Commandments of our own will.
You, like the hypocritical little satan that you are, accuse
Christians daily, whining about others' treatment of you while you
mistreat them being your favorite past-time, calling them names and
judging them that they are judgmental of others, yet you exempt your
buddy, the self-professed Christian Ike, who is as judgmental as they
come and adds to that fault by repeatedly and deliberately giving
false witness about others, lying about what others believe and
attacking them on a daily basis, calling everyone filthy names. Then
you put on your manipulative halo and repeatedly lie that you are
tolerant of others' views, yet you began repeatedly calling me “Whore”
when I refused to stop using the KJV Bible and the words God and Holy
and Lord, as you had insisted I do, and calling me “Murderer” when you
found out I had voted for President Obama.
So Snowjob, continue to act the antichrist and to continue to call me
"Whore", “murderer”, “Jezebel witch”, and "Lesbian" all you like; I
still will not renounce Christ as God incarnate as you insist I do,
and I will continue to use the KJV Bible and the words God, LORD, and
Holy regardless of your repeated demands I stop. As always, YOU LIE
about what I believe about Christ and the Scriptures and everything
else connected with God.
You definitely have mental problems evidenced by your compulsive
lying. You aren't even sincere about what you claim to hate, let alone
what you claim to believe. The only things you two have in common is
that you are both children of the Devil, control-freak male
chauvinists, liars, and hypocrites who don't really give a damn about
the Scriptures you claim to preach.
guardian Snow
> who do really give a damn about
> the Scriptures you claim to preach.
At least I preach... the topic is scriptures.
From wars to spousal abuse, violence dominates society. So many of us
are raised in the conflict view of society that says, “I’m right and
unless you agree with me, you’re an idiot” or “antichrist”.
Ecc 1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities;
all is vanity.
Brennan Manning a Catholic priest, who was later quoted by Christian
music group DC Talk said, " The Greatest single cause of Atheism in
the world today are Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips
and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an
unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."
I doubt that people realize or consider the ramifications of their
actions. More often then not people spend the time they have looking
at everybody else and being the judge of them so that they don’t have
to face the problems in their own lives.
What I find shocking is that while these are message boards about
religion and spirituality, the main topic on most people’s minds are
the other people that post and religion is usually a subtitle or a
weapon to be lashed about like a bull in Spain. On a planet with 7
billion people, each one of us wants to believe we’re “special” and
unique. Maybe it’s a downfall of religion that we go around trying to
say my “God” is bigger than your “God”. Christians, Judaism and
Muslims all speak of one “God” and yet each says the others are a
false religion. Each faith is built upon the Torah and each one has
become something far different from the original writings
My Christian brothers spend their time ignoring every scripture they
preach. How often do I see in the anger of somebody calling another
person “fool”. Making enemies and treating people despicably instead
of actually discussing our faith, were not happy unless we are
attacking somebody and hence the title of this post.
Unless we disagree with the post or the title, we never take the time
to just say.. “you know.. that was a nice post and I agree with you”.
No.. Instead we attack the character of each other. It’s a very
depressing atmosphere where everybody is busy trying to show that they
are right and everybody else is wrong… I just happen to be the one
person that is always right. (JOKE)
Mat 10:25 “It is enough for the taught one to become like his teacher,
and a servant like his master. If they have called the master of the
house Beʽelzebul, how much more those of his household!
Is it the fault of our religion that we all feel a want and need to be
special? To be that one person who leads the world out of harms way
and onto the right path? We all believe Elohim/”God” is our “God” and
how often are we called “antichrist”, devil or some other ridiculous
name. A guy in my home town once asked after a riot, “Why can’t we
just get along?”. Rodney King couldn’t have been closer to the truth
at any point in his life. Over 50 people died as a result of that
riot in L.A. alone and I remember those days all to clear.
Why do we have such a hard time just expressing our point of view and
then respecting what other people believe? I realize that all of you
are wrong and that I’m the one person with a true revelation. Unless
we learn to respect other peoples beliefs, regardless if it’s wrong or
not, we’re doomed as a race of people.
Why do we insist on playing “God” and being the judge of our
brothers? Why is it that so many Christians only respond when it’s a
hateful, hurtful response? Are we that hurt ourselves that we take
our depression out on anybody that dares to step into our line of
sight for attack? If the scriptures tell us to love our enemies,
where is that love?
I think atheist watch the way we behave as people of faith and by our
own bad example we are driving more people from the faith we profess
then bringing in. The topic of our conversations shouldn’t be each
other but the Elohim/”God” we profess we believe in. The comments
about how stupid somebody is should be reserved to not being put to
text.
But that's just my opinion. I'm nobody important or special.. Just
me.. One of 7 billion people on this somehow lonely planet.
It seems to me that we all have some type of "Messiah" complex that we
think we are the only inspired person that must lead Israel back to
the promise land. Albert Schweitzer said, “At times our own light
goes out and is rekindled by a spark from another person. Each of us
has cause to think with deep gratitude of those who have lit the flame
within us.”
Mat 10:38 “And he who does not take up his stake and follow after Me
is not worthy of Me.
Yehoshua that most know as Jesus Christ said to follow after him, to
emulate him and be like him and the scriptures say:
Isa 53:11 He would see the result of the suffering of His life and be
satisfied. Through His KNOWLEDGE My righteous Servant MAKES MANY
RIGHTEOUS, and He bears their crookednesses.
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
a moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam.
Shalom,
*´¨)
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
I saw my hometown burning that day.
Rodney King
If you listen to your fears, you will die never knowing what a great
person you might have been.
Robert H. Schuller
P.S., I don't believe I'm the Messiah. People see that title and
have
something they can argue about... that’s why I chose that title.
(Mar 16:2) (Mar 16:9) (Luk 18:12) (Luk 24:1)(Matt 28:1 on its second
instance)
(Joh 20:1) (Joh 20:19) (Act 20:7) (1Co 16:2) (Heb 4:9)
Each of these verses that have the word Sabbath removed.
Rod
It isn't peace that I want, I want justice but if I am denied it
I'll want vengeance. I won't be at peace until I have one or the
other.
singin4free
>
> The heart of another is a dark forest, always, no matter how close it
> has been to one's own.
> Willa Cather
>
> download of the Restored Names King James Version
>
> Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other
> time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that
> we seek.
> Barack Obama
I hesitate to enter this conversation, mainly because my views on the
subject are not as clear to me as they should be. I abhor violence and
war. But I also understand it is evil to allow injustice when it is
possible to stop it. If someone is attacking the innocent, is it wrong
to use violence against violence unselfishly? The stereotypical
situation is a man defending his wife and children. Should he allow
them to be harmed? If he uses violence he may also be laying down his
life for his family. Is that evil or is it the highest form of love?
As Jesus said, greater love has no man than to lay down his life for
his friends. The American national anthem says in a verse seldom sung:
"So conquer we must, when our cause it is just, and this be our motto,
in God is our trust". - from a verse of the Star Spangled Banner.
Interestingly, the self-declared "militant pacificist" quoted above
was also the author of a letter to FDR concerning development of the
first atom bomb. Einstein the pacifist knew that if the Allies did not
have the bomb first, tyranny would then conquer freedom.
The Bible tells us there is a time for every purpose under heaven.
That includes times of peace and times of war. I hate war. Any sane
person should. But common sense declares that complete refusal to act
with force is not the way to love those who cannot defend themselves.
It is unjust to turn one's back on violence to the innocent. So I
believe there must be causes worth fighting for. But those causes are
rare indeed and not every cause is that kind of cause. We should not
be willing to go to war for the sake of the whims of politicians
alone. The reasons must be clear, the cause must be just and the need
must be great. Is there really any difference between those
firefighters who enter a burning building with axes and hoses at risk
to themselves to save lives and those who carry a weapon into battle
for the same reason, i.e. to rescue people from tyranny? I don't see
much difference, except that often times the moral reasons for an
armed conflict are obscure to those sent to do the job. The war
fighter is one who gives of him or herself. So the blame for an
immoral war must lie with those who send them. We cannot do without
our armed forces, because we live in a dangerous world. Sometimes a
soldier may be given an order he must refuse. That is hard test of
character, but with God's grace, he does what is right. When God's
commands conflict with those of men, it is better to obey God rather
than men.
Very tough topic. Those are some of my thoughts.
Rod
Thats correct, Liar Linda(The Loser)Lee.
>
> You're known as a troll, a liar,
All this means is that I've been able to embarrass the much dumber
trolls among the Christians, like you. So what? I'm not going to
lose any sleep over what a bunch of pretend Christians & PARASITES
think of me.
> a paranoid psychotic,
No, just a plain, ordinary run of the mill psychotic. Nothing special
about me.
> and a Christian-
> hater on these boards,
I don't hate Christians, I despise the fakes among them...fakes like
you among some others...and the pits of it is that you almost had me
convinced that you were a good Christian and a good person, but after
really being forced to take a hard look at your actions, (one among
many others), I know who the real Christians are on this board, and
you are one in NAME ONLY.
guardian Snow
Isa 48:22 “There is no peace for the wrong,” said Yahweh.”
Consider the words of the prophets my dear friend.
Deu 32:35 ‘Vengeance is Mine, and repayment, At the time their foot
slips; For near is the day of their calamity, And the matters prepared
are hastening to them.’
Deu 32:36 “For YAHWEH rightly rules His people And has compassion on
His servants, When He sees that their power is gone, And there is no
one remaining, Shut up or at large.
Rod
Thank you. A little encouragement goes a long way. Forgiveness
has never been out of the question.
Jonathan Schattke
> You know, you really don't have room to talk, you venom spewing
> hag. As many people as you've insulted and brutalized on usenet
> with your volatile temper and wicked tongue.
>
> You rotten old whore...
You certainly aren't being a paragon of showing Yahushwa's love
yourself, Rod.
Rod
That is true, but I'm not making any pretense about it
either, nor does it fit into any future plans I have.
Linda Lee
You really are in a very sad state.
So your "future plans" are to go to Hell/Hades? Or do you expect all
consciousness to end with physical death? You remind me of the lyrics
of an old Blood, Sweat and Tears song I heard the other day; "Swear
there ain't no heaven and I pray there ain't no hell".
'Blood, Sweat & Tears Greatest Hits':
"AND WHEN I DIE
I'm not scared of dying,
And I don't really care.
If it's peace you find in dying,
Well then let the time be near.
If it's peace you find in dying,
And if dying time is here,
Just bundle up my coffin
'Cause it's cold way down there.
I hear that its cold way down their.
Yeah, crazy cold way down their.
Chorus:
And when I die, and when I'm gone,
There'll be one child born
In this world to carry on,
to carry on.
Now troubles are many, they're as deep as a well.
I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell.
Swear there ain't no heaven and I pray there ain't no hell,
But I'll never know by living, only my dying will tell.
Yes only my dying will tell.
Yeah, only my dying will tell.
Chorus
Give me my freedom for as long as I be.
All I ask of living is to have no chains on me.
All I ask of living is to have no chains on me,
And all I ask of dying is to go naturally.
Oh I want to go naturally.
Here I go,
Hey Hey!
Here comes the devil,
Right Behind.
Look out children,
Here he comes!
Here he comes! Hey...
Don't want to go by the devil.
Don't want to go by demon.
Don't want to go by Satan,
Don't want to die uneasy.
Just let me go naturally.
and when I die,
When I'm dead, dead and gone,
There'll be one child born in our world to carry on,
To carry on."
- from http://www.songlyrics.com/blood-sweat-and-tears/and-when-i-die-lyrics/
Rod
> On Nov 20, 2:57 pm, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Jonathan Schattke wrote:
>>> On Nov 18, 4:56 pm, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> You know, you really don't have room to talk, you venom spewing
>>>> hag. As many people as you've insulted and brutalized on usenet
>>>> with your volatile temper and wicked tongue.
>>>> You rotten old whore...
>>> You certainly aren't being a paragon of showing Yahushwa's love
>>> yourself, Rod.
>> That is true, but I'm not making any pretense about it
>> either, nor does it fit into any future plans I have.
>
>
> You really are in a very sad state.
>
> So your "future plans" are to go to Hell/Hades?
You told me to go there.....you told me to go to hell,
so I'm going. Now you're complaining because I'm doing
it, or happy because you're expecting company?
> Or do you expect all
> consciousness to end with physical death?
> You remind me of the lyrics
> of an old Blood, Sweat and Tears song I heard the other day; "Swear
> there ain't no heaven and I pray there ain't no hell".
Try reading what I said again Linda, but I'll answer you anyway. The
keywords were "not making any pretense" and "nor does it fit into any
future plans I have".
Now, add these two sections of keywords together and you will have
understood what I said.
Does this help ?
>
> 'Blood, Sweat & Tears Greatest Hits':
>
> "AND WHEN I DIE
Religionists, always worrying about how to die
and where to go, yet always failing to learn how
to LIVE...
guardian Snow
> Religionists, always worrying about how to die
> and where to go, yet always failing to learn how
> to LIVE...
A comment worthy of it's own topic.
Linda Lee
I'm impressed, Jonathan.
Snowjob rewards Rod with a reply condoning the above (coyly removing
the "You rotten old whore..." part) with "You know what's kind of sad
buddy... that this is about being non-violent and not a single
Christian has stepped up to the plate to speak out on the topic. I
hope your having a great day... it's hot here! " Often he just
strokes him with a "dear friend" after Rod calls me a slut, etc. Like
attracts like.
Rod
Oh boo hoo. 1-800-CRY-BABY
Rod
I hope I will soon be reading it..
Linda Lee
> On Nov 20, 2:09 pm,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > the Scriptures you claim to preach.
>
> At least I preach... the topic is scriptures.
Doubtful that your confused mixture of quotes from people ranging from
the murderer Charles Manson to ancient rock groups to Buddha could be
called "preaching"
guardian Snow
I'm certain not by you.
Mat 10:13 “And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it.
But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.
Mat 10:14 “And whoever does not receive you nor hear your words, when
you leave that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.
Mat 10:15 “Truly, I say to you, it shall be more bearable for the land
of Seḏom and Amorah in the day of judgment than for that city!
Mat 10:16 “See, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves.
Therefore be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.
Mat 10:17 “But beware of men, for they shall deliver you up to
Sanhedrin and flog you in their congregations.