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Michael Christ
May 2, 2012, 9:26:06 PM5/2/12
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Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell
that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in
heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the YOUNG MAN heard that saying, he went away
sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Mar 12:41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the
people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in
much.
Mar 12:42 And there came a certain POOR WIDOW, and she threw in two
mites, which make a farthing.
Mar 12:43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them,
Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than
all they which have cast into the treasury:
Mar 12:44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her
want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.
All or nothing, and it is all or nothing; there is no lukewarm
salvation.
Religious people don’t waste your time with theology, it won’t save
you.
Find the will of the Lord in your life, like the ‘young man’ and the
‘poor widow’, and DO what He says (John 2:5 His mother saith unto the
servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it).
You must lose your life, and only He can show you the way. If you are
lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
something.
You people who think you 'have it' through your religion, wake up, you
have to lay down your life. All or nothing.
Michael Christ
that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in
heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the YOUNG MAN heard that saying, he went away
sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Mar 12:41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the
people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in
much.
Mar 12:42 And there came a certain POOR WIDOW, and she threw in two
mites, which make a farthing.
Mar 12:43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them,
Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than
all they which have cast into the treasury:
Mar 12:44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her
want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.
All or nothing, and it is all or nothing; there is no lukewarm
salvation.
Religious people don’t waste your time with theology, it won’t save
you.
Find the will of the Lord in your life, like the ‘young man’ and the
‘poor widow’, and DO what He says (John 2:5 His mother saith unto the
servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it).
You must lose your life, and only He can show you the way. If you are
lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
something.
You people who think you 'have it' through your religion, wake up, you
have to lay down your life. All or nothing.
Michael Christ
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Barry OGrady
May 2, 2012, 10:21:37 PM5/2/12
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>Michael Christ
=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
God is a spirit. 0% proof!
Barry OGrady
May 2, 2012, 10:36:10 PM5/2/12
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On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:17:00 -0700, Pete <*@*> wrote:
>On Wed, 2 May 2012 18:26:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
><jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>On Wed, 2 May 2012 18:26:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
><jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You must lose your life, and only He can show you the way. If you are
>> lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
>> bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
>> Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
>> attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
>> something.
>>
>
>Up to here you did pretty good. These people had Gods attention before the
>> lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
>> bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
>> Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
>> attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
>> something.
>>
>
>earth was recreated, the had His attention when Jesus die on the cross for
>all their sin. He is not willing that any should perish but have
>everlasting life. It is their choice, those who harden their hearts will
>not be hearing His voice calling.
>
>> You people who think you 'have it' through your religion, wake up, you
>> have to lay down your life. All or nothing.
>
>Religion, real religion,...
>> You people who think you 'have it' through your religion, wake up, you
>> have to lay down your life. All or nothing.
>
>Jas_1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To
>visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself
>unspotted from the world.
Ye do err not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
God is not slack as you call slack.
If God wants something done he will do it himself.
>The Lord could return in the air at any time.
In that case you best do what I say all the time.
>--
>Peter
Michael Christ
May 3, 2012, 6:16:25 AM5/3/12
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> Will you lay down your life to benefit us?
Will you lay down your life to benefit me?
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
May 3, 2012, 6:24:25 AM5/3/12
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Michael Christ wrote:
> > You must lose your life, and only He can show you the way. If you are
> > lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
> > bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
> > Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
> > attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
> > something.
> > You must lose your life, and only He can show you the way. If you are
> > lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
> > bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
> > Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
> > attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
> > something.
Pete wrote:
> Up to here you did pretty good. These people had Gods attention before the
> earth was recreated, the had His attention when Jesus die on the cross for
> all their sin. He is not willing that any should perish but have
> everlasting life. It is their choice, those who harden their hearts will
> not be hearing His voice calling.
> Up to here you did pretty good. These people had Gods attention before the
> earth was recreated, the had His attention when Jesus die on the cross for
> all their sin. He is not willing that any should perish but have
> everlasting life. It is their choice, those who harden their hearts will
> not be hearing His voice calling.
Michael Christ wrote:
> > You people who think you 'have it' through your religion, wake up, you
> > have to lay down your life. All or nothing.
> > You people who think you 'have it' through your religion, wake up, you
> > have to lay down your life. All or nothing.
Pete wrote:
> Religion, real religion,...
> Jas_1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To
> visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself
> unspotted from the world.
>
> Religion, real religion,...
> Jas_1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To
> visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself
> unspotted from the world.
>
> The Lord could return in the air at any time.
Bible quoting will not make a person pure, neither will it substitute
for a man losing His life in the name of the Lord.
Michael Christ
Barry OGrady
May 3, 2012, 6:58:29 AM5/3/12
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have to see your stupid posts.
Will you do that for us?
Barry OGrady
May 3, 2012, 6:59:27 AM5/3/12
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Do it for us.
duke
May 3, 2012, 8:20:59 AM5/3/12
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On Wed, 2 May 2012 18:26:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell
>that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in
>heaven: and come and follow me.
>Mat 19:22 But when the YOUNG MAN heard that saying, he went away
>sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
>
>Mar 12:41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the
>people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in
>much.
>Mar 12:42 And there came a certain POOR WIDOW, and she threw in two
>mites, which make a farthing.
>Mar 12:43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them,
>Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than
>all they which have cast into the treasury:
>Mar 12:44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her
>want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.
>
>All or nothing, and it is all or nothing; there is no lukewarm
>salvation.
You're wasting your time on the internet. Take your own advice.
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell
>that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in
>heaven: and come and follow me.
>Mat 19:22 But when the YOUNG MAN heard that saying, he went away
>sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
>
>Mar 12:41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the
>people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in
>much.
>Mar 12:42 And there came a certain POOR WIDOW, and she threw in two
>mites, which make a farthing.
>Mar 12:43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them,
>Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than
>all they which have cast into the treasury:
>Mar 12:44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her
>want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.
>
>All or nothing, and it is all or nothing; there is no lukewarm
>salvation.
>Religious people don’t waste your time with theology, it won’t save
>you.
>Find the will of the Lord in your life, like the ‘young man’ and the
>‘poor widow’, and DO what He says (John 2:5 His mother saith unto the
>servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it).
>You must lose your life, and only He can show you the way. If you are
>lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
>bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
>Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
>attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
>something.
>You people who think you 'have it' through your religion, wake up, you
>have to lay down your life. All or nothing.
>
>
>Michael Christ
duke, American - American
*****
1 John 3:4-6
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact,
sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he
appeared so that he might take away our sins.
And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in
him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to
sin has either seen him or known him.
*****
duke
May 3, 2012, 12:33:39 PM5/3/12
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On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:17:00 -0700, Pete <*@*> wrote:
>> You must lose your life, and only He can show you the way. If you are
>> lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
>> bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
>> Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
>> attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
>> something.
>>
>
>> lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
>> bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
>> Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
>> attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
>> something.
>>
>
>Up to here you did pretty good. These people had Gods attention before the
>earth was recreated,
What in the world is he dreaming now. The earth was created 4.5 billion years
>earth was recreated,
ago, some 9.2 billion years after the universe came into being..
> the had His attention when Jesus die on the cross for
>all their sin. He is not willing that any should perish but have
>everlasting life. It is their choice, those who harden their hearts will
>not be hearing His voice calling.
>
>> You people who think you 'have it' through your religion, wake up, you
>> have to lay down your life. All or nothing.
>
>> have to lay down your life. All or nothing.
>
>Religion, real religion,...
>Jas_1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To
>visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself
>unspotted from the world.
>The Lord could return in the air at any time.
Why the air?
>Jas_1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To
>visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself
>unspotted from the world.
>The Lord could return in the air at any time.
Rod
May 3, 2012, 2:10:54 PM5/3/12
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On 5/2/2012 9:36 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:17:00 -0700, Pete<*@*> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2 May 2012 18:26:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
>> <jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You must lose your life, and only He can show you the way. If you are
>>> lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
>>> bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
>>> Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
>>> attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
>>> something.
>>>
>>
>> Up to here you did pretty good. These people had Gods attention before the
>> earth was recreated, the had His attention when Jesus die on the cross for
>> all their sin. He is not willing that any should perish but have
>> everlasting life. It is their choice, those who harden their hearts will
>> not be hearing His voice calling.
>>
>>> You people who think you 'have it' through your religion, wake up, you
>>> have to lay down your life. All or nothing.
>>
>> Religion, real religion,...
>> Jas_1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To
>> visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself
>> unspotted from the world.
>
> Ye do err not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
> God is not slack as you call slack.
> If God wants something done he will do it himself.
1 John, Chapter 1, a testimony of those men long gone
> On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:17:00 -0700, Pete<*@*> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2 May 2012 18:26:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
>> <jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You must lose your life, and only He can show you the way. If you are
>>> lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
>>> bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
>>> Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
>>> attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
>>> something.
>>>
>>
>> Up to here you did pretty good. These people had Gods attention before the
>> earth was recreated, the had His attention when Jesus die on the cross for
>> all their sin. He is not willing that any should perish but have
>> everlasting life. It is their choice, those who harden their hearts will
>> not be hearing His voice calling.
>>
>>> You people who think you 'have it' through your religion, wake up, you
>>> have to lay down your life. All or nothing.
>>
>> Religion, real religion,...
>> Jas_1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To
>> visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself
>> unspotted from the world.
>
> Ye do err not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
> God is not slack as you call slack.
> If God wants something done he will do it himself.
who bore witness to having met and spoke with the Christ
himself.
Read it Barry, then prove it a false testimony, and mind you
I said *PROVE* it false, I didn't say create doubt about it.
You see to believe you are competent and able, without any help
from anyone, *prove* it is false.
>
>> The Lord could return in the air at any time.
>
> In that case you best do what I say all the time.
able to shake the foundations of Heaven ?
Do so if you are able...
Rod
May 3, 2012, 2:21:50 PM5/3/12
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your own agenda and taking up the calling of God, it doesn't
mean that one should kill oneself.
Michael Christ
May 3, 2012, 6:42:28 PM5/3/12
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Duke wrote:
> But Jesus said "follow me".
That is what following really means.
> But Jesus said "follow me".
Michael Christ
>Do you?
Michael Christ
May 3, 2012, 6:40:01 PM5/3/12
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Michael Christ wrote:
> >Will you lay down your life to benefit me?
> >Will you lay down your life to benefit me?
Barry wrote:
> Certainly not, but if you were to lay down your life we wouldn't
> have to see your stupid posts.
> Will you do that for us?
With my wife's birthday bearing down on me, not likely, she would kill
> Certainly not, but if you were to lay down your life we wouldn't
> have to see your stupid posts.
> Will you do that for us?
me.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
May 3, 2012, 6:46:10 PM5/3/12
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On May 4, 2:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:17:00 -0700, Pete <*@*> wrote:
> >On Wed, 2 May 2012 18:26:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
> ><jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> You must lose your life, and only He can show you the way. If you are
> >> lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
> >> bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
> >> Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
> >> attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
> >> something.
> On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:17:00 -0700, Pete <*@*> wrote:
> >On Wed, 2 May 2012 18:26:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
> ><jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> You must lose your life, and only He can show you the way. If you are
> >> lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
> >> bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
> >> Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
> >> attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
> >> something.
Pete wrote:
> >Up to here you did pretty good. These people had Gods attention before the
> >earth was recreated,
> >Up to here you did pretty good. These people had Gods attention before the
> >earth was recreated,
Duke wrote:
> What in the world is he dreaming now. The earth was created 4.5 billion years
> ago, some 9.2 billion years after the universe came into being..
Well man says all of these billions of years, even so, time is not a
> What in the world is he dreaming now. The earth was created 4.5 billion years
> ago, some 9.2 billion years after the universe came into being..
constraint to God.
Michael Christ
Barry OGrady
May 3, 2012, 7:24:40 PM5/3/12
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On Thu, 3 May 2012 15:46:10 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On May 4, 2:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:17:00 -0700, Pete <*@*> wrote:
>> >On Wed, 2 May 2012 18:26:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
>> ><jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> You must lose your life, and only He can show you the way. If you are
>> >> lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
>> >> bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
>> >> Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
>> >> attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
>> >> something.
>Pete wrote:
>> >Up to here you did pretty good. These people had Gods attention before the
>> >earth was recreated,
>Duke wrote:
>> What in the world is he dreaming now. The earth was created 4.5 billion years
>> ago, some 9.2 billion years after the universe came into being..
>
>Well man says all of these billions of years, even so, time is not a
>constraint to God.
Yet God is constrained from being good.
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On May 4, 2:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:17:00 -0700, Pete <*@*> wrote:
>> >On Wed, 2 May 2012 18:26:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
>> ><jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> You must lose your life, and only He can show you the way. If you are
>> >> lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
>> >> bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
>> >> Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
>> >> attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
>> >> something.
>Pete wrote:
>> >Up to here you did pretty good. These people had Gods attention before the
>> >earth was recreated,
>Duke wrote:
>> What in the world is he dreaming now. The earth was created 4.5 billion years
>> ago, some 9.2 billion years after the universe came into being..
>
>Well man says all of these billions of years, even so, time is not a
>constraint to God.
Barry OGrady
May 3, 2012, 7:47:49 PM5/3/12
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nonsense you preach.
However, if you were to lay down your life for us we would
no longer have to see your posts.
Barry OGrady
May 3, 2012, 8:50:21 PM5/3/12
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On Thu, 03 May 2012 13:10:54 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
Shall do.
In order for Jesus to exist God also would need to exist, but the
Christian God of the bible is impossible, so we know Jesus did
not exist. Since Jesus did not exist the testimony is proven false.
>>> The Lord could return in the air at any time.
>>
>> In that case you best do what I say all the time.
>
> Can you heal the sick ? Can you raise the dead ? Are you
> able to shake the foundations of Heaven ?
Those things can't be done.
> Do so if you are able...
Are you willing to take the risk?
In order for Jesus to exist God also would need to exist, but the
Christian God of the bible is impossible, so we know Jesus did
not exist. Since Jesus did not exist the testimony is proven false.
>>> The Lord could return in the air at any time.
>>
>> In that case you best do what I say all the time.
>
> Can you heal the sick ? Can you raise the dead ? Are you
> able to shake the foundations of Heaven ?
> Do so if you are able...
Rod
May 3, 2012, 9:12:57 PM5/3/12
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even the weakest of believers that you are correct. What is your
proof that God doesn't exist, the fact that you've never seen Him ?
Is that all you've got ??? Some hard evidence might help, like
a body perhaps ? Or maybe a rock signed by God saying that He
passed away a day or two ago. The lack of your inability to
produce Him isn't a sign that he doesn't exist, it's sign of
you not knowing where to find Him. If you look hard enough and
long enough you can't help but find Him. Several have already.
>
>>>> The Lord could return in the air at any time.
>>>
>>> In that case you best do what I say all the time.
>>
>> Can you heal the sick ? Can you raise the dead ? Are you
>> able to shake the foundations of Heaven ?
>
> Those things can't be done.
>
>> Do so if you are able...
>
> Are you willing to take the risk?
Terry Cross
May 3, 2012, 9:18:53 PM5/3/12
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On May 3, 4:47 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
OCD -- Obsessive Compulsive Disorder: According to Wikipedia, OCD is
the fourth most common mental disorder, and is diagnosed nearly as
often as asthma and diabetes mellitus. In the United States, one in 50
adults suffers from OCD.
One of the signs of OCD is the patient's complaint that she finds
herself doing things that she does not want to do. If you do not want
to read Rod's posts but you continue to read them, you should seek
diagnosis.
TCross
> On Thu, 03 May 2012 13:21:50 -0500, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On 5/3/2012 5:59 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
> >> On Thu, 3 May 2012 03:24:25 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
> >> <jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On 5/3/2012 5:59 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
> >> On Thu, 3 May 2012 03:24:25 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
the fourth most common mental disorder, and is diagnosed nearly as
often as asthma and diabetes mellitus. In the United States, one in 50
adults suffers from OCD.
One of the signs of OCD is the patient's complaint that she finds
herself doing things that she does not want to do. If you do not want
to read Rod's posts but you continue to read them, you should seek
diagnosis.
TCross
Rod
May 3, 2012, 9:19:12 PM5/3/12
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and practicing the Christian religion after all. I don't see it
changing to suit two malcontents who are selfish enough to disrupt
an entire group because they do not like the subject matter.
Grow up Barry, and get a life.
>
> However, if you were to lay down your life for us we would
> no longer have to see your posts.
it suits you.
Rod
May 3, 2012, 9:27:08 PM5/3/12
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to easy and you like things the hard way...then you can always
take a hammer to your computer, gouge your eyes out, or leap
head first into a chipper-shredder...I don't recommend the last two,
but it is your choice after all ! I just wanted you to be aware of
all the choices that you have at hand. Please choose carefully.
Have a nice day Barry!
Rod
May 3, 2012, 9:30:34 PM5/3/12
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Here is a thought....it's called a kill file. Of course, if that's
to easy and you like things the hard way...then you can always
take a hammer to your computer, gouge your eyes out, or leap
head first into a chipper-shredder...I don't recommend the last two,
but it is your choice after all ! We only want you to be aware of
to easy and you like things the hard way...then you can always
take a hammer to your computer, gouge your eyes out, or leap
head first into a chipper-shredder...I don't recommend the last two,
all the choices that you have at hand. Please choose carefully.
and DO have a nice day...
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May 4, 2012, 6:33:50 AM5/4/12
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Pete wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>
> > Bible quoting will not make a person pure, neither will it substitute
> > for a man losing His life in the name of the Lord.
>
> That is a prime example most used for explaining that you can take a horse
> to water but you cannot make him drink.
a certain preacher man would often say mark this in the
margin of your Bible and if your Bible is to good for you
to write in then get one you can write in. then one day
the same preacher man said this profound thing, "its not
how you mark your Bible its how your Bible marks you."
is the Word really a part of your day to day living?
> Michael Christ wrote:
>
> > Bible quoting will not make a person pure, neither will it substitute
> > for a man losing His life in the name of the Lord.
>
> to water but you cannot make him drink.
a certain preacher man would often say mark this in the
margin of your Bible and if your Bible is to good for you
to write in then get one you can write in. then one day
the same preacher man said this profound thing, "its not
how you mark your Bible its how your Bible marks you."
is the Word really a part of your day to day living?
Barry OGrady
May 4, 2012, 6:36:01 AM5/4/12
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On Thu, 3 May 2012 23:11:02 -0700, Pete <*@*> wrote:
>On Thu, 3 May 2012 03:24:25 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
><jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bible quoting will not make a person pure, neither will it substitute
>> for a man losing His life in the name of the Lord.
>
naive.
Christians should be baptised by full immersion for at least
15 minutes.
>--
>Peter
Are you called people because your head is like a rock?
>On Thu, 3 May 2012 03:24:25 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
><jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bible quoting will not make a person pure, neither will it substitute
>> for a man losing His life in the name of the Lord.
>
>That is a prime example most used for explaining that you can take a horse
>to water but you cannot make him drink.
I think all Christians should lose their lives for the same of the
>to water but you cannot make him drink.
naive.
Christians should be baptised by full immersion for at least
15 minutes.
>--
>Peter
Are you called people because your head is like a rock?
Barry OGrady
May 4, 2012, 8:12:51 AM5/4/12
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assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
were only good things. If you are a deist I can't disprove your God.
Since we know capital G God does not exist we also know Jesus
does not exist, therefore we know any testimonies that reference
Jesus are untrue.
I hope I explained that better this time.
>>>>> The Lord could return in the air at any time.
>>>>
>>>> In that case you best do what I say all the time.
>>>
>>> Can you heal the sick ? Can you raise the dead ? Are you
>>> able to shake the foundations of Heaven ?
>>
>> Those things can't be done.
>
> They have in fact already been done, to me and to others.
There is no Heaven to shake.
The earth is not flat with pillars.
>>> Do so if you are able...
>>
>> Are you willing to take the risk?
>
>
> There is no risk. You are unable.
In the meantime,
Do you feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk!
Barry OGrady
May 4, 2012, 8:19:35 AM5/4/12
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On Thu, 3 May 2012 18:18:53 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
<tcro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On May 3, 4:47 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 May 2012 13:21:50 -0500, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
<tcro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On May 3, 4:47 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 May 2012 13:21:50 -0500, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>One of the signs of OCD is the patient's complaint that she finds
>herself doing things that she does not want to do.
>If you do not want
>to read Rod's posts but you continue to read them, you should seek
>diagnosis.
>TCross
Barry OGrady
May 4, 2012, 8:26:49 AM5/4/12
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On Thu, 03 May 2012 20:19:12 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 3/5/2012 6:47 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 May 2012 13:21:50 -0500, Rod<nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
This group is for Australians to discuss all aspects of Christianity.
You don't belong here.
> Grow up Barry, and get a life.
If you were a true Christian you would be telling me to take
>On 3/5/2012 6:47 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 May 2012 13:21:50 -0500, Rod<nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
You don't belong here.
> Grow up Barry, and get a life.
a life.
>> However, if you were to lay down your life for us we would
>> no longer have to see your posts.
>
> No one is holding you here. You are free to leave when
> it suits you.
Your OCD forces you to continue this dialog.
>> However, if you were to lay down your life for us we would
>> no longer have to see your posts.
>
> No one is holding you here. You are free to leave when
> it suits you.
Barry OGrady
May 4, 2012, 8:34:56 AM5/4/12
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alive. Admittedly you are mentally dead but I didn't cause that.
You are proof of life, of a sort, after brain death.
> Of course, if that's
> to easy and you like things the hard way...then you can always
> take a hammer to your computer, gouge your eyes out, or leap
> head first into a chipper-shredder...I don't recommend the last two,
> but it is your choice after all !
tainted computer after you kill yourself.
> I just wanted you to be aware of
> all the choices that you have at hand. Please choose carefully.
are not available to me.
> Have a nice day Barry!
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May 4, 2012, 12:10:38 PM5/4/12
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On Thu, 3 May 2012 15:46:10 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On May 4, 2:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:17:00 -0700, Pete <*@*> wrote:
>> >On Wed, 2 May 2012 18:26:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
>> ><jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> You must lose your life, and only He can show you the way. If you are
>> >> lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
>> >> bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
>> >> Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
>> >> attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
>> >> something.
>Pete wrote:
>> >Up to here you did pretty good. These people had Gods attention before the
>> >earth was recreated,
>Duke wrote:
>> What in the world is he dreaming now. The earth was created 4.5 billion years
>> ago, some 9.2 billion years after the universe came into being..
>
>Well man says all of these billions of years, even so, time is not a
>constraint to God.
Exactly.
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On May 4, 2:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:17:00 -0700, Pete <*@*> wrote:
>> >On Wed, 2 May 2012 18:26:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
>> ><jesusisthelordof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> You must lose your life, and only He can show you the way. If you are
>> >> lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
>> >> bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
>> >> Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
>> >> attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
>> >> something.
>Pete wrote:
>> >Up to here you did pretty good. These people had Gods attention before the
>> >earth was recreated,
>Duke wrote:
>> What in the world is he dreaming now. The earth was created 4.5 billion years
>> ago, some 9.2 billion years after the universe came into being..
>
>Well man says all of these billions of years, even so, time is not a
>constraint to God.
duke
May 4, 2012, 12:16:46 PM5/4/12
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On Fri, 4 May 2012 07:06:24 -0700, Pete <*@*> wrote:
>On Thu, 03 May 2012 11:33:39 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:17:00 -0700, Pete <*@*> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 2 May 2012 18:26:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
>>><jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You must lose your life, and only He can show you the way. If you are
>>>> lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
>>>> bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
>>>> Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
>>>> attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
>>>> something.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Up to here you did pretty good. These people had Gods attention before the
>>>earth was recreated,
>>
>> What in the world is he dreaming now. The earth was created 4.5 billion years
>> ago, some 9.2 billion years after the universe came into being..
>I am sorry your god is so small and wimpy.
I always questioned your belief in God of the New Testament.
>>> the had His attention when Jesus die on the cross for
>>>all their sin. He is not willing that any should perish but have
>>>everlasting life. It is their choice, those who harden their hearts will
>>>not be hearing His voice calling.
>>>
>>>> You people who think you 'have it' through your religion, wake up, you
>>>> have to lay down your life. All or nothing.
>>>
>>>Religion, real religion,...
>>>Jas_1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To
>>>visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself
>>>unspotted from the world.
>>
>>>The Lord could return in the air at any time.
>>
>> Why the air?
>Because He said so. And to redeem all believers from that moment back to
>the cross.
And before, and not all from either side. If you don't follow his teachings,
and you do reject a lot of them, then I don't see how you can claim to believe
in him.
>On Thu, 03 May 2012 11:33:39 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:17:00 -0700, Pete <*@*> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 2 May 2012 18:26:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
>>><jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You must lose your life, and only He can show you the way. If you are
>>>> lost as to what you must do then you must show Him why He should
>>>> bother with you. In other words, DO SOMETHING to get His attention!
>>>> Read the stories, did not the 'young man' and the 'poor widow' get His
>>>> attention? One made the right chose. Get off your arse and do
>>>> something.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Up to here you did pretty good. These people had Gods attention before the
>>>earth was recreated,
>>
>> What in the world is he dreaming now. The earth was created 4.5 billion years
>> ago, some 9.2 billion years after the universe came into being..
I always questioned your belief in God of the New Testament.
>>> the had His attention when Jesus die on the cross for
>>>all their sin. He is not willing that any should perish but have
>>>everlasting life. It is their choice, those who harden their hearts will
>>>not be hearing His voice calling.
>>>
>>>> You people who think you 'have it' through your religion, wake up, you
>>>> have to lay down your life. All or nothing.
>>>
>>>Religion, real religion,...
>>>Jas_1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To
>>>visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself
>>>unspotted from the world.
>>
>>>The Lord could return in the air at any time.
>>
>> Why the air?
>the cross.
And before, and not all from either side. If you don't follow his teachings,
and you do reject a lot of them, then I don't see how you can claim to believe
in him.
duke
May 4, 2012, 12:17:57 PM5/4/12
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Jim
May 4, 2012, 12:45:38 PM5/4/12
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Pete wrote:
> For me, yes.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not
perish, but have everlasting life.
I am so glad John 3:16 says what it says.
sad what religious people do with the words 'should not'.
an English major told me the word 'but' negates the
previous words and leaves the meaning as an absolute
[have everlasting life].
thank God!
GLYB
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not
perish, but have everlasting life.
I am so glad John 3:16 says what it says.
sad what religious people do with the words 'should not'.
an English major told me the word 'but' negates the
previous words and leaves the meaning as an absolute
[have everlasting life].
thank God!
GLYB
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May 4, 2012, 3:19:34 PM5/4/12
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Barry OGrady
May 4, 2012, 5:55:11 PM5/4/12
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On Fri, 4 May 2012 07:06:24 -0700, Pete <*@*> wrote:
>On Thu, 03 May 2012 11:33:39 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Why the air?
>>
>Because He said so. And to redeem all believers from that moment back to
>the cross.
You are lucky your God is forced to follow a script.
>On Thu, 03 May 2012 11:33:39 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Why the air?
>>
>Because He said so. And to redeem all believers from that moment back to
>the cross.
>--
>Peter
Terry Cross
May 4, 2012, 6:48:33 PM5/4/12
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TCross
Michael Christ
May 4, 2012, 8:04:46 PM5/4/12
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Michael Christ wrote:
>That is what following really means.
>That is what following really means.
Duke wrote:
> Following mean following from one that doesn't follow?
Following means...all, and nothing less, or a man is simply playing
> Following mean following from one that doesn't follow?
games with himself.
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell
that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in
heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the YOUNG MAN heard that saying, he went away
sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
man's religious persuasion is.
It is all your heart or nothing.
Michael Christ
Rod
May 4, 2012, 9:13:58 PM5/4/12
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believe in Him, and now you're claiming to be able to detect the
characteristics of a God that you don't believe in? You are wasting your
time.
Rod
May 4, 2012, 9:18:57 PM5/4/12
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> If you are a deist I can't disprove your God.
> Since we know capital G God does not exist we also know Jesus
> does not exist, therefore we know any testimonies that reference
> Jesus are untrue.
> I hope I explained that better this time.
He doesn't exist. Surely you can produce that without any trouble,
right ? And just a reminder: you haven't proven God to be a negative,
in fact you've offered up only assumptions when asked for proof.
Rod
May 4, 2012, 10:15:21 PM5/4/12
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demand that an unbeliever live up to the same standards they set
for others.
Thank you Terry!
Rod
May 4, 2012, 10:16:28 PM5/4/12
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Rod
May 4, 2012, 10:20:07 PM5/4/12
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> Admittedly you are mentally dead but I didn't cause that.
> You are proof of life, of a sort, after brain death.
>
>> Of course, if that's
>> to easy and you like things the hard way...then you can always
>> take a hammer to your computer, gouge your eyes out, or leap
>> head first into a chipper-shredder...I don't recommend the last two,
>> but it is your choice after all !
>
> I recommend all of those things for you. Nobody will want your
> tainted computer after you kill yourself.
>
>> I just wanted you to be aware of
>> all the choices that you have at hand. Please choose carefully.
>
> There are many things your low moral standard allows you to do that
> are not available to me.
>
>> Have a nice day Barry!
>
> Whose idea was that?
>
you, so do I.
Barry OGrady
May 4, 2012, 10:58:25 PM5/4/12
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>Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell
>that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in
>heaven: and come and follow me.
>Mat 19:22 But when the YOUNG MAN heard that saying, he went away
>sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
>
>There is no compromise, God is not taken in with religion whatever a
>man's religious persuasion is.
>It is all your heart or nothing.
>Michael Christ
Barry OGrady
May 4, 2012, 11:03:39 PM5/4/12
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On Fri, 04 May 2012 20:13:58 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 4/5/2012 7:12 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> You are mistaken. We can test for the effects of characteristics
>> assigned to God.
>
>
> What characteristics would those be Barry ?
Power and goodness.
>I thought you didn't
>believe in Him, and now you're claiming to be able to detect the
>characteristics of a God that you don't believe in?
You are mistaken. I am pointing out that we can't detect the
characteristics of your God because it doesn't exist.
>You are wasting your time.
You shouldn't put yourself down like that.
Sure, you are an insignificant nothing but you do exist which
makes you more powerful than your God.
>On 4/5/2012 7:12 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> You are mistaken. We can test for the effects of characteristics
>> assigned to God.
>
>
> What characteristics would those be Barry ?
>I thought you didn't
>believe in Him, and now you're claiming to be able to detect the
>characteristics of a God that you don't believe in?
characteristics of your God because it doesn't exist.
>You are wasting your time.
Sure, you are an insignificant nothing but you do exist which
makes you more powerful than your God.
Barry OGrady
May 4, 2012, 11:12:35 PM5/4/12
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On Fri, 04 May 2012 20:18:57 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 4/5/2012 7:12 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> You are mistaken. We can test for the effects of characteristics
>> assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
>> were only good things.
>
> What proof do you have to support this assumption ?
None needed.
>> If you are a deist I can't disprove your God.
>> Since we know capital G God does not exist we also know Jesus
>> does not exist, therefore we know any testimonies that reference
>> Jesus are untrue.
>> I hope I explained that better this time.
>
> So where is the proof ? I'd like to see some hard evidence that
> He doesn't exist. Surely you can produce that without any trouble,
> right ? And just a reminder: you haven't proven God to be a negative,
> in fact you've offered up only assumptions when asked for proof.
That's a fair request. The proof goes like this.
>On 4/5/2012 7:12 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> You are mistaken. We can test for the effects of characteristics
>> assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
>> were only good things.
>
> What proof do you have to support this assumption ?
>> If you are a deist I can't disprove your God.
>> Since we know capital G God does not exist we also know Jesus
>> does not exist, therefore we know any testimonies that reference
>> Jesus are untrue.
>> I hope I explained that better this time.
>
> So where is the proof ? I'd like to see some hard evidence that
> He doesn't exist. Surely you can produce that without any trouble,
> right ? And just a reminder: you haven't proven God to be a negative,
> in fact you've offered up only assumptions when asked for proof.
We can test for the effects of characteristics
assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
were only good things.
You had best reconcile with me before it is too late.
assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
were only good things.
gladys swager
May 5, 2012, 2:14:40 AM5/5/12
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On May 5, 1:12 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
and through all the expanses of space all at the same time
so that you have proved that God does not exist ....!!!???
> > So where is the proof ? I'd like to see some hard evidence that
> > He doesn't exist. Surely you can produce that without any trouble,
> > right ? And just a reminder: you haven't proven God to be a negative,
> > in fact you've offered up only assumptions when asked for proof.
>
> That's a fair request. The proof goes like this.
> We can test for the effects of characteristics
> assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
> were only good things.
>
And you have to come to grips with the fact that not everyting
is perfect on earth.and on all the planetary bodies in space,
And are you sure that God was responsibible for those failings????
> You had best reconcile with me before it is too late.
>
Better for you to be reconciled with God as shown in the New
Testament.
2 Corinthians 5 : 20 - 21
Now then (I am) an ambassador for Christ, as though God did beseech
you by me,
I pray you in Christ's stead,,,,, Be you reconciled to God,"
Confess to God that you are a sinner and that you accept Him as your
Saviour.
For He (God) was made Him (Jesus) to be sin for us, Who knew no sin;
that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him,
Gladys Swager
> On Fri, 04 May 2012, Rod wrote:
> >On 4/5/2012 7:12 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
> >> You are mistaken. We can test for the effects of characteristics
> >> assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
> >> were only good things.
>
> > What proof do you have to support this assumption ?
>
> None needed.
>
> >> If you are a deist I can't disprove your God.
> >> Since we know capital G God does not exist we also know Jesus
> >> does not exist, therefore we know any testimonies that reference
> >> Jesus are untrue. I hope I explained that better this time.
>
And have you been everywhere in out out of our solar system
> >On 4/5/2012 7:12 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
> >> You are mistaken. We can test for the effects of characteristics
> >> assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
> >> were only good things.
>
> > What proof do you have to support this assumption ?
>
> None needed.
>
> >> If you are a deist I can't disprove your God.
> >> Since we know capital G God does not exist we also know Jesus
> >> does not exist, therefore we know any testimonies that reference
> >> Jesus are untrue. I hope I explained that better this time.
>
and through all the expanses of space all at the same time
so that you have proved that God does not exist ....!!!???
> > So where is the proof ? I'd like to see some hard evidence that
> > He doesn't exist. Surely you can produce that without any trouble,
> > right ? And just a reminder: you haven't proven God to be a negative,
> > in fact you've offered up only assumptions when asked for proof.
>
> That's a fair request. The proof goes like this.
> We can test for the effects of characteristics
> assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
> were only good things.
>
is perfect on earth.and on all the planetary bodies in space,
And are you sure that God was responsibible for those failings????
> You had best reconcile with me before it is too late.
>
Testament.
2 Corinthians 5 : 20 - 21
Now then (I am) an ambassador for Christ, as though God did beseech
you by me,
I pray you in Christ's stead,,,,, Be you reconciled to God,"
Confess to God that you are a sinner and that you accept Him as your
Saviour.
For He (God) was made Him (Jesus) to be sin for us, Who knew no sin;
that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him,
Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
May 5, 2012, 4:32:30 AM5/5/12
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On Fri, 4 May 2012 23:14:40 -0700 (PDT), gladys swager
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On May 5, 1:12 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Fri, 04 May 2012, Rod wrote:
>> >On 4/5/2012 7:12 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> >> You are mistaken. We can test for the effects of characteristics
>> >> assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
>> >> were only good things.
>>
>> > What proof do you have to support this assumption ?
>>
>> None needed.
>>
>> >> If you are a deist I can't disprove your God.
>> >> Since we know capital G God does not exist we also know Jesus
>> >> does not exist, therefore we know any testimonies that reference
>> >> Jesus are untrue. I hope I explained that better this time.
>>
>And have you been everywhere in out out of our solar system
>and through all the expanses of space all at the same time
>so that you have proved that God does not exist ....!!!???
No need. The proof goes like this.
<gsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On May 5, 1:12 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Fri, 04 May 2012, Rod wrote:
>> >On 4/5/2012 7:12 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> >> You are mistaken. We can test for the effects of characteristics
>> >> assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
>> >> were only good things.
>>
>> > What proof do you have to support this assumption ?
>>
>> None needed.
>>
>> >> If you are a deist I can't disprove your God.
>> >> Since we know capital G God does not exist we also know Jesus
>> >> does not exist, therefore we know any testimonies that reference
>> >> Jesus are untrue. I hope I explained that better this time.
>>
>And have you been everywhere in out out of our solar system
>and through all the expanses of space all at the same time
>so that you have proved that God does not exist ....!!!???
We can test for the effects of characteristics
assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
were only good things.
>> > So where is the proof ? I'd like to see some hard evidence that
>> > He doesn't exist. Surely you can produce that without any trouble,
>> > right ? And just a reminder: you haven't proven God to be a negative,
>> > in fact you've offered up only assumptions when asked for proof.
>>
>> That's a fair request. The proof goes like this.
>> We can test for the effects of characteristics
>> assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
>> were only good things.
>>
>And you have to come to grips with the fact that not everyting
>is perfect on earth.and on all the planetary bodies in space,
That's how we know there is no good and powerful God.
assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
were only good things.
>> > So where is the proof ? I'd like to see some hard evidence that
>> > He doesn't exist. Surely you can produce that without any trouble,
>> > right ? And just a reminder: you haven't proven God to be a negative,
>> > in fact you've offered up only assumptions when asked for proof.
>>
>> That's a fair request. The proof goes like this.
>> We can test for the effects of characteristics
>> assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
>> were only good things.
>>
>And you have to come to grips with the fact that not everyting
>is perfect on earth.and on all the planetary bodies in space,
>And are you sure that God was responsibible for those failings????
>> You had best reconcile with me before it is too late.
>>
>Better for you to be reconciled with God as shown in the New
>Testament.
>2 Corinthians 5 : 20 - 21
that I wrote. Its completely up to date and it says you need to
reconcile with me. Are you willing to take the risk?
>Now then (I am) an ambassador for Christ, as though God did beseech
>you by me,
>I pray you in Christ's stead,,,,, Be you reconciled to God,"
>Confess to God that you are a sinner and that you accept Him as your
>Saviour.
>For He (God) was made Him (Jesus) to be sin for us, Who knew no sin;
>that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him,
>Gladys Swager
Rod
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duke
May 5, 2012, 8:54:43 AM5/5/12
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On Fri, 4 May 2012 10:49:36 -0700, Pete <*@*> wrote:
>On Fri, 04 May 2012 11:16:46 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>>I am sorry your god is so small and wimpy.
>>
>> I always questioned your belief in God of the New Testament.
>No doubt, but my God is of both the old and new testaments.
Yes, but the NT is the "New Way". God led us from paganism to OT and then to
NT. It's fair to use the OT for facts, but never hide from the fact that the
NT was given to us by Jesus himself.
>>>Because He said so. And to redeem all believers from that moment back to
>>>the cross.
>> And before, and not all from either side.
>Do you even have a clue who all will be resurrected and when? Why?
Nobody can definitively say "when". "Who" is hidden by God. "Why" is following
God in faith.
>> If you don't follow his teachings,
>> and you do reject a lot of them, then I don't see how you can claim to believe
>> in him.
>That is a trolling statement. I do not accept your RCC doctrines unless
>part of the happen to match up with those of Jesus in the NT, I do not
>reject any from the Holy Bible and those that say I do are accursed.
Well, what Jesus said is most fully revealed in the RCC than any other faith.
The EOC is #2, I'm sure. Those that fly on their own have the weakest position
of Christians because they lack the learned knowledge developed for the last
2000 years.
Do any sound familiar to you?
>On Fri, 04 May 2012 11:16:46 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>>I am sorry your god is so small and wimpy.
>>
>> I always questioned your belief in God of the New Testament.
Yes, but the NT is the "New Way". God led us from paganism to OT and then to
NT. It's fair to use the OT for facts, but never hide from the fact that the
NT was given to us by Jesus himself.
>>>Because He said so. And to redeem all believers from that moment back to
>>>the cross.
>> And before, and not all from either side.
Nobody can definitively say "when". "Who" is hidden by God. "Why" is following
God in faith.
>> If you don't follow his teachings,
>> and you do reject a lot of them, then I don't see how you can claim to believe
>> in him.
>part of the happen to match up with those of Jesus in the NT, I do not
>reject any from the Holy Bible and those that say I do are accursed.
Well, what Jesus said is most fully revealed in the RCC than any other faith.
The EOC is #2, I'm sure. Those that fly on their own have the weakest position
of Christians because they lack the learned knowledge developed for the last
2000 years.
Do any sound familiar to you?
duke
May 5, 2012, 9:00:03 AM5/5/12
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>Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell
>that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in
>heaven: and come and follow me.
>Mat 19:22 But when the YOUNG MAN heard that saying, he went away
>sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
>There is no compromise, God is not taken in with religion whatever a
>man's religious persuasion is.
line is not for mankind to know. If you think you qualify and follow all his
teachings, Jesus has a good thing for you.
>It is all your heart or nothing.
>Michael Christ
your heart. The more you free-wheel, the more you miss, the more you miss the
more you falter of things you didn't understand that God mandated.
Barry OGrady
May 5, 2012, 9:10:43 AM5/5/12
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duke
May 5, 2012, 9:17:55 AM5/5/12
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duke
May 5, 2012, 9:18:49 AM5/5/12
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Barry OGrady
May 5, 2012, 10:34:34 AM5/5/12
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On Sat, 05 May 2012 08:17:55 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 04 May 2012 20:18:57 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>On Fri, 04 May 2012 20:18:57 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 4/5/2012 7:12 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> You are mistaken. We can test for the effects of characteristics
>>> assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
>>> were only good things.
>>
>> What proof do you have to support this assumption ?
>
>He's barry. What would he need?
A good being would want only good things.
>>> You are mistaken. We can test for the effects of characteristics
>>> assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
>>> were only good things.
>>
>> What proof do you have to support this assumption ?
>
>He's barry. What would he need?
An almighty being would make it so.
>duke, American - American
Barry OGrady
May 5, 2012, 10:36:10 AM5/5/12
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On Sat, 05 May 2012 08:18:49 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 05 May 2012 13:12:35 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 04 May 2012 20:18:57 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 4/5/2012 7:12 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>
>>>> You are mistaken. We can test for the effects of characteristics
>>>> assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
>>>> were only good things.
>>>
>>> What proof do you have to support this assumption ?
>>
>>None needed.
>>
>>>> If you are a deist I can't disprove your God.
>>>> Since we know capital G God does not exist we also know Jesus
>>>> does not exist, therefore we know any testimonies that reference
>>>> Jesus are untrue.
>>>> I hope I explained that better this time.
>>>
>>> So where is the proof ? I'd like to see some hard evidence that
>>> He doesn't exist. Surely you can produce that without any trouble,
>>> right ? And just a reminder: you haven't proven God to be a negative,
>>> in fact you've offered up only assumptions when asked for proof.
>>
>>That's a fair request. The proof goes like this.
>>We can test for the effects of characteristics
>>assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
>>were only good things.
>>
>Yes, to allow you to seek the eternal rest you prefer - God or satan.
That's how we know there is no good and mighty God.
>On Sat, 05 May 2012 13:12:35 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 04 May 2012 20:18:57 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 4/5/2012 7:12 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>
>>>> You are mistaken. We can test for the effects of characteristics
>>>> assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
>>>> were only good things.
>>>
>>> What proof do you have to support this assumption ?
>>
>>None needed.
>>
>>>> If you are a deist I can't disprove your God.
>>>> Since we know capital G God does not exist we also know Jesus
>>>> does not exist, therefore we know any testimonies that reference
>>>> Jesus are untrue.
>>>> I hope I explained that better this time.
>>>
>>> So where is the proof ? I'd like to see some hard evidence that
>>> He doesn't exist. Surely you can produce that without any trouble,
>>> right ? And just a reminder: you haven't proven God to be a negative,
>>> in fact you've offered up only assumptions when asked for proof.
>>
>>That's a fair request. The proof goes like this.
>>We can test for the effects of characteristics
>>assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
>>were only good things.
>>
>Yes, to allow you to seek the eternal rest you prefer - God or satan.
>duke, American - American
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duke
May 5, 2012, 2:38:05 PM5/5/12
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On Sun, 06 May 2012 00:34:34 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>On Sat, 05 May 2012 08:17:55 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 04 May 2012 20:18:57 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 4/5/2012 7:12 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>>>> You are mistaken. We can test for the effects of characteristics
>>>> assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
>>>> were only good things.
>>>
>>> What proof do you have to support this assumption ?
>>
>>He's barry. What would he need?
>
>A good being would want only good things.
>An almighty being would make it so.
The good thing is to give you what you want, not what God wants. If you want
>On Sat, 05 May 2012 08:17:55 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 04 May 2012 20:18:57 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 4/5/2012 7:12 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>>>> You are mistaken. We can test for the effects of characteristics
>>>> assigned to God. An almighty and good God would ensure there
>>>> were only good things.
>>>
>>> What proof do you have to support this assumption ?
>>
>>He's barry. What would he need?
>
>A good being would want only good things.
>An almighty being would make it so.
the flames, and you show him by the way you live your life, than he gives you
what you want.
duke
May 5, 2012, 2:39:09 PM5/5/12
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On Sat, 5 May 2012 08:42:13 -0700, Pete <*@*> wrote:
>Yes, the lies being told.
Yep, you do come up short on knowledge in the bible.
Yep, you do come up short on knowledge in the bible.
Barry OGrady
May 5, 2012, 8:01:28 PM5/5/12
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have an excellent life at all times.
Duke, make it so!
Don't let me down now.
Barry OGrady
May 5, 2012, 8:05:14 PM5/5/12
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On Sat, 05 May 2012 13:38:05 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 06 May 2012 00:34:34 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>A good being would want only good things.
>>An almighty being would make it so.
>
>The good thing is to give you what you want, not what God wants.
Now you are getting the idea. God doesn't need anything from us.
>On Sun, 06 May 2012 00:34:34 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>A good being would want only good things.
>>An almighty being would make it so.
>
>The good thing is to give you what you want, not what God wants.
>If you want the flames, and you show him by the way you live your life,
>than he gives you what you want.
we want and need.
Michael Christ
May 5, 2012, 9:50:16 PM5/5/12
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Duke wrote:
> There is truly no compromise, no negotiation with God. But where God draws the
> line is not for mankind to know.
Is it for mankind to say whether or not it is for 'mankind to know'?
> There is truly no compromise, no negotiation with God. But where God draws the
> line is not for mankind to know.
I know where He draws the line, and it is right and just!
Duke wrote:
>If you think you qualify and follow all his teachings, Jesus has a good thing for you.
first. From there you don't have to worry about qualifications and
the like as they are a natural byproduct of a right relationship.
Would you cheat on your wife, would you knowingly degrade your
relationship with her? No? Why? The answer is obvious isn't it? Then
how can a man have a right relationship with God and clutch to his
breast anything that destroys it? Either he has a true relationship
or he has not, and if he has a right relationship, tell me WHAT IS
THERE IN THE WORLD worth destroying if for!!!
Michael Christ wrote:
>It is all your heart or nothing.
Duke wrote:
> If that were true, all would eternally visit the flames of hell. God knows
> your heart. The more you free-wheel, the more you miss, the more you miss the
> more you falter of things you didn't understand that God mandated.
It does not matter what the majority are. Man can't measure God's
> If that were true, all would eternally visit the flames of hell. God knows
> your heart. The more you free-wheel, the more you miss, the more you miss the
> more you falter of things you didn't understand that God mandated.
standards by his own.
There is no compromise.
All things are possible with God.
Make no bones about it, all your heart, or nothing.
God is almighty is able to do anything, it just depends on how
important He is to a man and how earnest that man is...that's all.
(Luke 11:5-10)...so true.
Michael Christ
Theo Bekkers
May 5, 2012, 10:38:36 PM5/5/12
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"gladys swager" wrote
> And have you been everywhere in out out of our solar system
> and through all the expanses of space all at the same time
> so that you have proved that God does not exist ....!!!???
There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
Theo
> And have you been everywhere in out out of our solar system
> and through all the expanses of space all at the same time
> so that you have proved that God does not exist ....!!!???
once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
Theo
duke
May 6, 2012, 4:06:27 PM5/6/12
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>Duke, make it so!
>Don't let me down now.
duke
May 6, 2012, 4:07:29 PM5/6/12
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On Sun, 06 May 2012 10:05:14 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>On Sat, 05 May 2012 13:38:05 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 06 May 2012 00:34:34 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>>A good being would want only good things.
>>>An almighty being would make it so.
>>
>>The good thing is to give you what you want, not what God wants.
>
>Now you are getting the idea. God doesn't need anything from us.
>
>>If you want the flames, and you show him by the way you live your life,
>>than he gives you what you want.
>If God was good he would forgo the things he wants and give us what
>we want and need.
It's not a matter of what he wants. It's a matter of what you want. Now that's
>On Sat, 05 May 2012 13:38:05 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 06 May 2012 00:34:34 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>>A good being would want only good things.
>>>An almighty being would make it so.
>>
>>The good thing is to give you what you want, not what God wants.
>
>Now you are getting the idea. God doesn't need anything from us.
>
>>If you want the flames, and you show him by the way you live your life,
>>than he gives you what you want.
>If God was good he would forgo the things he wants and give us what
>we want and need.
pure God love for you.
duke
May 6, 2012, 4:20:02 PM5/6/12
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>I know where He draws the line, and it is right and just!
>Duke wrote:
>>If you think you qualify and follow all his teachings, Jesus has a good thing for you.
>It is not about qualifying and obeying rules, it is about relationship
>first.
teachings every day, you don't follow him, and hence you don't have a
relationship with him other than a bad relationship.
> From there you don't have to worry about qualifications and
>the like as they are a natural byproduct of a right relationship.
>Would you cheat on your wife, would you knowingly degrade your
>relationship with her? No? Why? The answer is obvious isn't it?
is to follow..
> Then
>how can a man have a right relationship with God and clutch to his
>breast anything that destroys it?
in terms of clutching evil to your breast. You have typically fulfilled the
other half in NOT doing what Jesus teaches us to do, like attending Mass weekly,
receiving the Eucharist (lack spiritual life) or not feeding the hungry,
clothing the naked, giving drink to the thirsty, etc.
> Either he has a true relationship
>or he has not, and if he has a right relationship, tell me WHAT IS
>THERE IN THE WORLD worth destroying if for!!!
you want to climb out of the hole.
>It does not matter what the majority are. Man can't measure God's
>standards by his own.
>There is no compromise.
>All things are possible with God.
>Make no bones about it, all your heart, or nothing.
he thinks he does, he does not have the truth.
duke
May 6, 2012, 4:46:01 PM5/6/12
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On Sun, 6 May 2012 10:38:36 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theo...@bigpond.com.au>
wrote:
He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
wrote:
Barry OGrady
May 6, 2012, 6:26:42 PM5/6/12
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On Sun, 06 May 2012 15:06:27 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 06 May 2012 10:01:28 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>I have decided from this moment on all living beings will
>>have an excellent life at all times.
>
>Now all you have to do is convince God.
>
>>Duke, make it so!
>>Don't let me down now.
>
>Neither you nor I are God.
You seem to have the remote control.
>On Sun, 06 May 2012 10:01:28 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>I have decided from this moment on all living beings will
>>have an excellent life at all times.
>
>Now all you have to do is convince God.
>
>>Duke, make it so!
>>Don't let me down now.
>
>Neither you nor I are God.
Barry OGrady
May 6, 2012, 6:30:16 PM5/6/12
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On Sun, 06 May 2012 15:07:29 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 06 May 2012 10:05:14 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 05 May 2012 13:38:05 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 06 May 2012 00:34:34 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>>A good being would want only good things.
>>>>An almighty being would make it so.
>>>
>>>The good thing is to give you what you want, not what God wants.
>>
>>Now you are getting the idea. God doesn't need anything from us.
>>
>>>If you want the flames, and you show him by the way you live your life,
>>>than he gives you what you want.
>
>>If God was good he would forgo the things he wants and give us what
>>we want and need.
>
>It's not a matter of what he wants. It's a matter of what you want. Now that's
>pure God love for you.
Is God slack as men call very slack?
>On Sun, 06 May 2012 10:05:14 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 05 May 2012 13:38:05 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 06 May 2012 00:34:34 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>>A good being would want only good things.
>>>>An almighty being would make it so.
>>>
>>>The good thing is to give you what you want, not what God wants.
>>
>>Now you are getting the idea. God doesn't need anything from us.
>>
>>>If you want the flames, and you show him by the way you live your life,
>>>than he gives you what you want.
>
>>If God was good he would forgo the things he wants and give us what
>>we want and need.
>
>It's not a matter of what he wants. It's a matter of what you want. Now that's
>pure God love for you.
Theo Bekkers
May 6, 2012, 8:50:42 PM5/6/12
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"duke" wrote
From the Catholic Encyclopedia. It says everywhere and in all things,
not everywhere except Hell.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12396a.htm
Doctrinal
All solid devotion and devotional practices must be founded upon the
truths of faith, and these truths must be borne in mind when treating
of the presence of God from an ascetical and devotional point of view.
First, it is of faith that God is present by His Essence everywhere
and in all things by reason of His Immensity. (Creed of St.
Athanasius; Council of Lateran, c. "Firmiter"; Vatican Council, Sess.
III, c. 1.) It is also of faith that God is in an especial manner
really and substantially present in the souls of the just. This
indwelling of God in the souls of the just is attributed by what
theologians call appropriation to the Holy Ghost, but in reality it is
common to the three Divine Persons.
Theo
> "Theo Bekkers" <theo...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:
>>There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
>>once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
>>prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
Only in the sense that neither God nor Hell exist.
>>There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
>>once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
>>prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
From the Catholic Encyclopedia. It says everywhere and in all things,
not everywhere except Hell.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12396a.htm
Doctrinal
All solid devotion and devotional practices must be founded upon the
truths of faith, and these truths must be borne in mind when treating
of the presence of God from an ascetical and devotional point of view.
First, it is of faith that God is present by His Essence everywhere
and in all things by reason of His Immensity. (Creed of St.
Athanasius; Council of Lateran, c. "Firmiter"; Vatican Council, Sess.
III, c. 1.) It is also of faith that God is in an especial manner
really and substantially present in the souls of the just. This
indwelling of God in the souls of the just is attributed by what
theologians call appropriation to the Holy Ghost, but in reality it is
common to the three Divine Persons.
Theo
Terry Cross
May 6, 2012, 10:02:34 PM5/6/12
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On May 6, 1:46 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 6 May 2012 10:38:36 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theodo...@bigpond.com.au>
exists in hell, but is inaccessible.
TCross
> On Sun, 6 May 2012 10:38:36 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theodo...@bigpond.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >"gladys swager" wrote
>
> >> And have you been everywhere in out out of our solar system
> >> and through all the expanses of space all at the same time
> >> so that you have proved that God does not exist ....!!!???
>
> >There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
> >once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
> >prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
>
> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
Disagree with you there, Duke. Even the Catholics teach that God
>
> >"gladys swager" wrote
>
> >> And have you been everywhere in out out of our solar system
> >> and through all the expanses of space all at the same time
> >> so that you have proved that God does not exist ....!!!???
>
> >There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
> >once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
> >prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
>
> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
exists in hell, but is inaccessible.
TCross
Linda Lee
May 6, 2012, 11:59:54 PM5/6/12
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On May 6, 4:46 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 6 May 2012 10:38:36 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theodo...@bigpond.com.au>
at any point in time.
Psa 139:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. O LORD, thou hast
searched me, and known me.
Psa 139:2 Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou
understandest my thought afar off.
Psa 139:3 Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art
acquainted with all my ways.
Psa 139:4 For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou
knowest it altogether.
Psa 139:5 Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand
upon me.
Psa 139:6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I
cannot attain unto it.
Psa 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee
from thy presence?
Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: IF I MAKE MY
BED IN HELL, BEHOLD, THOU ART THERE.
> On Sun, 6 May 2012 10:38:36 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theodo...@bigpond.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >"gladys swager" wrote
>
> >> And have you been everywhere in out out of our solar system
> >> and through all the expanses of space all at the same time
> >> so that you have proved that God does not exist ....!!!???
>
> >There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
> >once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
> >prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
>
> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
Yes, he does. And it can't be proven that God isn't in any one place
>
> >"gladys swager" wrote
>
> >> And have you been everywhere in out out of our solar system
> >> and through all the expanses of space all at the same time
> >> so that you have proved that God does not exist ....!!!???
>
> >There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
> >once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
> >prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
>
> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
at any point in time.
Psa 139:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. O LORD, thou hast
searched me, and known me.
Psa 139:2 Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou
understandest my thought afar off.
Psa 139:3 Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art
acquainted with all my ways.
Psa 139:4 For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou
knowest it altogether.
Psa 139:5 Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand
upon me.
Psa 139:6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I
cannot attain unto it.
Psa 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee
from thy presence?
Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: IF I MAKE MY
BED IN HELL, BEHOLD, THOU ART THERE.
Theo Bekkers
May 7, 2012, 12:54:34 AM5/7/12
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"Linda Lee" wrote
Theo
> duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
> Yes, he does. And it can't be proven that God isn't in any one
> place
> at any point in time.
It also can't be proved that He is anywhere at all.
>> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
> Yes, he does. And it can't be proven that God isn't in any one
> place
> at any point in time.
Theo
Terry Cross
May 7, 2012, 2:38:59 AM5/7/12
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"proof" is not "proof" is not "proof," and people disagree on proof.
For 50 years, the Piltdown skull was "proof." For others, it was
not. To some scientists, the harm of smoking could never be proved
because they were on the tobacco payroll. To some, the miracle of
Avastin was proved daily because at a billion bucks profit a year,
their paychecks told them so. The human intellect is like that.
TCross
Theo Bekkers
May 7, 2012, 4:07:19 AM5/7/12
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"Terry Cross" wrote
years old and creation.com.is her proof.
What evidence do you have that your deity is in this room looking over
my shoulder. Or in your room, if you prefer.
Theo
> Theo Bekkers" <theodo...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:
>> It also can't be proved that He is anywhere at all.
> I believe it cannot be proved to you. However, juries show that
> "proof" is not "proof" is not "proof," and people disagree on proof.
Sure they do. Gladys, for example, believes that the universe is 6000
>> It also can't be proved that He is anywhere at all.
> I believe it cannot be proved to you. However, juries show that
> "proof" is not "proof" is not "proof," and people disagree on proof.
years old and creation.com.is her proof.
What evidence do you have that your deity is in this room looking over
my shoulder. Or in your room, if you prefer.
Theo
Terry Cross
May 7, 2012, 4:51:32 AM5/7/12
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TCross
Barry OGrady
May 7, 2012, 6:28:16 AM5/7/12
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>Theo
Barry OGrady
May 7, 2012, 6:29:55 AM5/7/12
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>
>TCross
Michael Christ
May 7, 2012, 7:43:31 AM5/7/12
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Duke wrote:
>To give of ourselves is to follow..
Not enough.
>To give of ourselves is to follow..
To give yourself (all) is to follow...and nothing less. It is His
standard.
With God, all things are possible.
You think that you can short-change God and get a hand out.
Michael Christ
Barry OGrady
May 7, 2012, 8:06:22 AM5/7/12
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On Mon, 7 May 2012 04:43:31 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Duke wrote:
>>To give of ourselves is to follow..
>
>Not enough.
Its plenty.
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Duke wrote:
>>To give of ourselves is to follow..
>
>Not enough.
>To give yourself (all) is to follow...and nothing less. It is His
>standard.
>With God, all things are possible.
>You think that you can short-change God and get a hand out.
>Michael Christ
"prover"
May 7, 2012, 9:26:02 AM5/7/12
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">It also can't be proved that He is anywhere at all."
choice of words.
Please do tell us what even in principle "proof" could be brought to bear
on this question?
If you can not then the empirical program it evokes is irrelevant and the
entire question an empty gesture.
That leaves your opinion hanging and a faith based assertion only.
duke
May 7, 2012, 3:05:27 PM5/7/12
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On Mon, 7 May 2012 08:50:42 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theo...@bigpond.com.au>
wrote:
>"duke" wrote
>> "Theo Bekkers" <theo...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:
>
>>>There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
>>>once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
>>>prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
>
>> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
>
>Only in the sense that neither God nor Hell exist.
Can you offer even a tiny bit of support for that silly idea.
>From the Catholic Encyclopedia. It says everywhere and in all things,
>not everywhere except Hell.
>http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12396a.htm
>Doctrinal
>All solid devotion and devotional practices must be founded upon the
>truths of faith, and these truths must be borne in mind when treating
>of the presence of God from an ascetical and devotional point of view.
>First, it is of faith that God is present by His Essence everywhere
>and in all things by reason of His Immensity. (Creed of St.
>Athanasius; Council of Lateran, c. "Firmiter"; Vatican Council, Sess.
>III, c. 1.) It is also of faith that God is in an especial manner
>really and substantially present in the souls of the just. This
>indwelling of God in the souls of the just is attributed by what
>theologians call appropriation to the Holy Ghost, but in reality it is
>common to the three Divine Persons.
>Theo
It leaves wide open the presence in the souls of the unjust, where God is not
found.
wrote:
>"duke" wrote
>> "Theo Bekkers" <theo...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:
>
>>>There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
>>>once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
>>>prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
>
>> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
>
>Only in the sense that neither God nor Hell exist.
>From the Catholic Encyclopedia. It says everywhere and in all things,
>not everywhere except Hell.
>http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12396a.htm
>Doctrinal
>All solid devotion and devotional practices must be founded upon the
>truths of faith, and these truths must be borne in mind when treating
>of the presence of God from an ascetical and devotional point of view.
>First, it is of faith that God is present by His Essence everywhere
>and in all things by reason of His Immensity. (Creed of St.
>Athanasius; Council of Lateran, c. "Firmiter"; Vatican Council, Sess.
>III, c. 1.) It is also of faith that God is in an especial manner
>really and substantially present in the souls of the just. This
>indwelling of God in the souls of the just is attributed by what
>theologians call appropriation to the Holy Ghost, but in reality it is
>common to the three Divine Persons.
>Theo
found.
duke
May 7, 2012, 3:08:33 PM5/7/12
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On Sun, 6 May 2012 19:02:34 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross <tcro...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
That's fine. But I'm a Catholic and I never heard that one. I've always been
taught that sin cannot exist in front of or as part of God. In fact, scripture
clearly states that only the pure of heart will stand before God. I'm sure
somebody can then suggest some scenario, as you have, for God not being seen.
So if God does exist in hell, I'm not sure for what purpose.
wrote:
taught that sin cannot exist in front of or as part of God. In fact, scripture
clearly states that only the pure of heart will stand before God. I'm sure
somebody can then suggest some scenario, as you have, for God not being seen.
So if God does exist in hell, I'm not sure for what purpose.
duke
May 7, 2012, 3:11:09 PM5/7/12
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On Sun, 6 May 2012 20:59:54 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
wrote:
>On May 6, 4:46 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 May 2012 10:38:36 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theodo...@bigpond.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"gladys swager" wrote
>>
>> >> And have you been everywhere in out out of our solar system
>> >> and through all the expanses of space all at the same time
>> >> so that you have proved that God does not exist ....!!!???
>>
>> >There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
>> >once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
>> >prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
>>
>> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
>
>Yes, he does. And it can't be proven that God isn't in any one place
>at any point in time.
God does not exist in space and time. So he is in all places and at all times.
If you wish to inject "hell" into that, that's ok with me, but so what if he is.
He is no longer of value to us or us to him.
wrote:
>On May 6, 4:46 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 May 2012 10:38:36 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theodo...@bigpond.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"gladys swager" wrote
>>
>> >> And have you been everywhere in out out of our solar system
>> >> and through all the expanses of space all at the same time
>> >> so that you have proved that God does not exist ....!!!???
>>
>> >There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
>> >once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
>> >prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
>>
>> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
>
>Yes, he does. And it can't be proven that God isn't in any one place
>at any point in time.
If you wish to inject "hell" into that, that's ok with me, but so what if he is.
He is no longer of value to us or us to him.
duke
May 7, 2012, 3:11:49 PM5/7/12
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On Mon, 7 May 2012 12:54:34 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theo...@bigpond.com.au>
wrote:
We believe, t-boy theo, we believe. We don't need proof.
wrote:
duke
May 7, 2012, 3:12:15 PM5/7/12
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On Mon, 07 May 2012 08:26:42 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>On Sun, 06 May 2012 15:06:27 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 06 May 2012 10:01:28 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>>I have decided from this moment on all living beings will
>>>have an excellent life at all times.
>>
>>Now all you have to do is convince God.
>>
>>>Duke, make it so!
>>>Don't let me down now.
>>
>>Neither you nor I are God.
>
>You seem to have the remote control.
And you clearly don't.
>On Sun, 06 May 2012 15:06:27 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 06 May 2012 10:01:28 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>>I have decided from this moment on all living beings will
>>>have an excellent life at all times.
>>
>>Now all you have to do is convince God.
>>
>>>Duke, make it so!
>>>Don't let me down now.
>>
>>Neither you nor I are God.
>
>You seem to have the remote control.
duke
May 7, 2012, 3:13:29 PM5/7/12
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On Mon, 7 May 2012 04:43:31 -0700 (PDT), Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Duke wrote:
>>To give of ourselves is to follow..
>
>Not enough.
>To give yourself (all) is to follow...and nothing less. It is His
>standard.
But you and I can't meet his standard. Heb 4:15.
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Duke wrote:
>>To give of ourselves is to follow..
>
>Not enough.
>To give yourself (all) is to follow...and nothing less. It is His
>standard.
>With God, all things are possible.
>You think that you can short-change God and get a hand out.
Barry OGrady
May 7, 2012, 5:59:27 PM5/7/12
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On Mon, 07 May 2012 14:11:09 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 6 May 2012 20:59:54 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On May 6, 4:46 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 6 May 2012 10:38:36 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theodo...@bigpond.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >"gladys swager" wrote
>>>
>>> >> And have you been everywhere in out out of our solar system
>>> >> and through all the expanses of space all at the same time
>>> >> so that you have proved that God does not exist ....!!!???
>>>
>>> >There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
>>> >once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
>>> >prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
>>>
>>> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
>>
>>Yes, he does. And it can't be proven that God isn't in any one place
>>at any point in time.
>
>God does not exist in space and time. So he is in all places and at all times.
That's what happened when Lieutenant Tom Paris traveled faster than
>On Sun, 6 May 2012 20:59:54 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On May 6, 4:46 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 6 May 2012 10:38:36 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theodo...@bigpond.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >"gladys swager" wrote
>>>
>>> >> And have you been everywhere in out out of our solar system
>>> >> and through all the expanses of space all at the same time
>>> >> so that you have proved that God does not exist ....!!!???
>>>
>>> >There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
>>> >once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
>>> >prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
>>>
>>> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
>>
>>Yes, he does. And it can't be proven that God isn't in any one place
>>at any point in time.
>
>God does not exist in space and time. So he is in all places and at all times.
warp 10. He too was in all places and all times, and that fact was
witnessed by many on board The Enterprise.
>If you wish to inject "hell" into that, that's ok with me, but so what if he is.
>He is no longer of value to us or us to him.
>duke, American - American
Terry Cross
May 7, 2012, 6:07:00 PM5/7/12
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On May 7, 12:08 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 6 May 2012 19:02:34 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com>
But we do have this verse that Linda quoted for you:
Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: IF I MAKE MY
BED IN HELL, BEHOLD, THOU ART THERE.
TCross
> On Sun, 6 May 2012 19:02:34 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On May 6, 1:46 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 6 May 2012 10:38:36 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theodo...@bigpond.com.au>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >"gladys swager" wrote
>
> >> >> And have you been everywhere in out out of our solar system
> >> >> and through all the expanses of space all at the same time
> >> >> so that you have proved that God does not exist ....!!!???
>
> >> >There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
> >> >once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
> >> >prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
>
> >> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
>
> >Disagree with you there, Duke. Even the Catholics teach that God
> >exists in hell, but is inaccessible.
>
> That's fine. But I'm a Catholic and I never heard that one. I've always been
> taught that sin cannot exist in front of or as part of God. In fact, scripture
> clearly states that only the pure of heart will stand before God. I'm sure
> somebody can then suggest some scenario, as you have, for God not being seen.
>
> So if God does exist in hell, I'm not sure for what purpose.
God's purposes are rather opaque to mortals. :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On May 6, 1:46 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 6 May 2012 10:38:36 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theodo...@bigpond.com.au>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >"gladys swager" wrote
>
> >> >> And have you been everywhere in out out of our solar system
> >> >> and through all the expanses of space all at the same time
> >> >> so that you have proved that God does not exist ....!!!???
>
> >> >There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
> >> >once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
> >> >prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
>
> >> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
>
> >Disagree with you there, Duke. Even the Catholics teach that God
> >exists in hell, but is inaccessible.
>
> That's fine. But I'm a Catholic and I never heard that one. I've always been
> taught that sin cannot exist in front of or as part of God. In fact, scripture
> clearly states that only the pure of heart will stand before God. I'm sure
> somebody can then suggest some scenario, as you have, for God not being seen.
>
> So if God does exist in hell, I'm not sure for what purpose.
But we do have this verse that Linda quoted for you:
Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: IF I MAKE MY
BED IN HELL, BEHOLD, THOU ART THERE.
Terry Cross
May 7, 2012, 6:24:52 PM5/7/12
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On May 7, 2:59 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> On Mon, 07 May 2012 14:11:09 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >On Sun, 6 May 2012 20:59:54 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com>
part of your Holy Scriptures.
Sorry.
TCross
> On Mon, 07 May 2012 14:11:09 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >On Sun, 6 May 2012 20:59:54 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com>
> >wrote:
>
> >>On May 6, 4:46 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 6 May 2012 10:38:36 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theodo...@bigpond.com.au>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>> >"gladys swager" wrote
>
> >>> >> And have you been everywhere in out out of our solar system
> >>> >> and through all the expanses of space all at the same time
> >>> >> so that you have proved that God does not exist ....!!!???
>
> >>> >There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
> >>> >once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
> >>> >prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
>
> >>> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
>
> >>Yes, he does. And it can't be proven that God isn't in any one place
> >>at any point in time.
>
> >God does not exist in space and time. So he is in all places and at all times.
>
> That's what happened when Lieutenant Tom Paris traveled faster than
> warp 10. He too was in all places and all times, and that fact was
> witnessed by many on board The Enterprise.
I almost laughed, forgetting for the moment that that TeeVee show is
>
> >>On May 6, 4:46 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 6 May 2012 10:38:36 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theodo...@bigpond.com.au>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>> >"gladys swager" wrote
>
> >>> >> And have you been everywhere in out out of our solar system
> >>> >> and through all the expanses of space all at the same time
> >>> >> so that you have proved that God does not exist ....!!!???
>
> >>> >There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
> >>> >once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
> >>> >prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
>
> >>> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
>
> >>Yes, he does. And it can't be proven that God isn't in any one place
> >>at any point in time.
>
> >God does not exist in space and time. So he is in all places and at all times.
>
> That's what happened when Lieutenant Tom Paris traveled faster than
> warp 10. He too was in all places and all times, and that fact was
> witnessed by many on board The Enterprise.
part of your Holy Scriptures.
Sorry.
TCross
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Linda Lee
May 7, 2012, 7:03:31 PM5/7/12
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everywhere, omnipresent.
Terry Cross
May 7, 2012, 7:45:24 PM5/7/12
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an error.
TCross
Linda Lee
May 7, 2012, 7:51:48 PM5/7/12
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On May 7, 3:05 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 May 2012 08:50:42 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theodo...@bigpond.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >"duke" wrote
Isn't He?
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any
thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness
comprehended it not.
> On Mon, 7 May 2012 08:50:42 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theodo...@bigpond.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >"duke" wrote
> >> "Theo Bekkers" <theodo...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:
>
> >>>There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
> >>>once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
> >>>prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
>
> >> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
>
> >Only in the sense that neither God nor Hell exist.
>
> Can you offer even a tiny bit of support for that silly idea.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From the Catholic Encyclopedia. It says everywhere and in all things,
> >not everywhere except Hell.
> >http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12396a.htm
> >Doctrinal
> >All solid devotion and devotional practices must be founded upon the
> >truths of faith, and these truths must be borne in mind when treating
> >of the presence of God from an ascetical and devotional point of view.
> >First, it is of faith that God is present by His Essence everywhere
> >and in all things by reason of His Immensity. (Creed of St.
> >Athanasius; Council of Lateran, c. "Firmiter"; Vatican Council, Sess.
> >III, c. 1.) It is also of faith that God is in an especial manner
> >really and substantially present in the souls of the just. This
> >indwelling of God in the souls of the just is attributed by what
> >theologians call appropriation to the Holy Ghost, but in reality it is
> >common to the three Divine Persons.
> >Theo
>
> It leaves wide open the presence in the souls of the unjust, where God is not
> found.a
>
> >>>There is no need to do that Gladys. God is supposedly everywhere at
> >>>once so, to prove He doesn't exist anywhere, it is only necessary to
> >>>prove he doesn't exists in any one place.
>
> >> He doesn't exist in hell. Now what.
>
> >Only in the sense that neither God nor Hell exist.
>
> Can you offer even a tiny bit of support for that silly idea.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From the Catholic Encyclopedia. It says everywhere and in all things,
> >not everywhere except Hell.
> >http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12396a.htm
> >Doctrinal
> >All solid devotion and devotional practices must be founded upon the
> >truths of faith, and these truths must be borne in mind when treating
> >of the presence of God from an ascetical and devotional point of view.
> >First, it is of faith that God is present by His Essence everywhere
> >and in all things by reason of His Immensity. (Creed of St.
> >Athanasius; Council of Lateran, c. "Firmiter"; Vatican Council, Sess.
> >III, c. 1.) It is also of faith that God is in an especial manner
> >really and substantially present in the souls of the just. This
> >indwelling of God in the souls of the just is attributed by what
> >theologians call appropriation to the Holy Ghost, but in reality it is
> >common to the three Divine Persons.
> >Theo
>
> It leaves wide open the presence in the souls of the unjust, where God is not
Isn't He?
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any
thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness
comprehended it not.
Linda Lee
May 7, 2012, 7:54:35 PM5/7/12
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Catholic, the Eastern Orthodox, and Duke's version of the Gospel of
Christ, i.e. 'Belief in Christ is not necessary; everybody nice is
saved, even atheists'.
Barry OGrady
May 7, 2012, 9:28:36 PM5/7/12
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