A Moment of Awakening?
ChrisC
his lectures. I was in a pretty good frame of mind last night. Anyway
he was talking about awakening, how we all walk around in a delusion.
What's weird is I understood this last night, now it's gone. I had an
what could be called awakened moment and I really understood it all. I
went a bed contented. When I awoke this morning it was gone. I wonder
what it could have been.
Was it a religious experience? I have never experienced anything like
it before. Probably came close on psychedics, but I was stone cold
sober last night. Strange. But Cool.
Roky
Try Radical Understanding,even better than Alan Watts(Who wrote the
introduction to the Knee of LIstening 1973 edition.):
http://www.beezone.com/AdiDa/KneeofListening/book/tableofcontents.html
Knee of Listening (1973, 1978, 1984 ed.)
Foreword
by Alan Watts:
Although I do not know Franklin Jones [now Adi Da] personally, what he
says, and says very well, is something that I have been trying to
express for thirty-five years, but which most people seem quite
reluctant to understands if it were too good to be true. The point,
with which Krishnamurti and the ancient Chinese Zen masters also
agree, is that there is no progressive method by which the liberated
and awakened state (moksha) can be attained. This state of being and
consciousness has innumerable names, mystical experience,
enlightenment, self-realization, cosmic consciousness, union with God,
not to mention Sanskrit, Chinese, and Arabic equivalents but none of
them are satisfactory because it is altogether beyond words. Striving
after this state blocks the understanding that it is already present,
as does also a kind of purposive not-striving.
There are, for example, those who try to live completely in the
present, the Eternal Now, by attempting to be fully concentrated on
what is at this moment as in the Theravada Buddhist satipatthana
discipline or Gurdjieff's "self remembering." I am not quarreling with
this. Franklin Jones also tried many methods. But all along it should
have been obvious that all consciousness, all experience, is of
nothing else than the eternal present. Memories of the past and
anticipation's of the future exist only now, and thus to try to live
completely in the present is to strive for what is already the case.
This should be clear to anyone. The same principle applies to striving
for nirvana or union with God by means of so-called spiritual
exercises. There is no actual necessity for a road or obstacle course
to that which IS.
But there are two main reasons for the persistent attachment to
spiritual methods. The first is that, being ignorant of what we have
and are now, we look for it in the future, and therefore can be
beguiled by all those gurus who pick our pockets and sell us our own
wallets. They promise marvelous states of consciousness, ecstasies,
psychic powers, and transportation to other levels of being. So what?
If you were managing the entire universe which in one sense you are it
would be absolutely necessary for it to appear that a lot of things
were out of control. Does the ventriloquist want to dine every night
with only his dummy?
The second is the beguilement of spiritual pride, which is also the
same thing as a sense of guilt. "I am not worthy to attain this
exalted state unless I have suffered, unless the teacher has beaten
me, unless I have sat in a cold, dark cave for three years, or
practiced zazen with my legs aching for hours." Anyone silly enough to
think this way deserves all the pains he must endure. Nothing is more
ostentatious than deliberate humility, nor more egocentric than
projects to get rid of egotism. These are strong words, but not
uttered in a spirit of condemnation, for those who undertake such
projects may, by so doing, realize very clearly that they are futile.
But then they may return as gurus thinking that this is the only way
to realize the futility of spiritual ambition, and then "lay their
trip" upon others without asking themselves, "Is this trip really
necessary?"
As I read Franklin Jones especially the Epilogue, which is worth the
price of the book he has simply realized that he himself as he is,
like a star, like a dolphin, like an iris, is a perfect and authentic
manifestation of the eternal energy of the universe, and thus is no
longer disposed to be in conflict with himself. Dangerous wisdom and
yet fire, electricity, and technical knowledge are also dangerous. But
if you genuinely know this, it is nothing to be proud of nor humble
about. It is just what is so, and there is absolutely no necessity to
parade it by defying social conventions, on the one hand, or by coming
on as one who is extremely holy, on the other. The hapless Rasputin
was, perhaps, an example of the first case, and Meher Baba of the
second though he had a jolly face and a lively twinkle in the eye.
It should be understood that none of this is to say that one should
not practice yoga or any other type of meditation. I myself use some
of these disciplines, not to attain anything in terms of spiritual
rank, but simply to enjoy them, as if I were playing a musical
instrument or preparing a Chinese dinner.
Now to say what Franklin Jones is trying to say is like drawing an
asymptotic curve a curve which is always getting nearer and nearer to
a straight line, but only touches it at infinity. Perhaps it could be
said that his curve is approaching it a little faster than some
others, knowing, however, that there is no hurry. Beyond words, in the
silencing of thought, we are already there.
Rancho Saucelito, California.
April, 1973
Knee of Listening
"What is consciousness? This is the basic question posed in The Knee
of Listening. What is consciousness? You never discover what it is by
wandering in the play of life and the body-mind. You can only discover
it by entering into consciousness itself, by contemplating it most
profoundly, locating its Quality, Condition, Status, Force. When you
have fully entered into Consciousness Itself, then suddenly the Divine
Condition of everything becomes obvious"
Energy of Consciousness - 1982
P.N.
"Roky" <roky...@yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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On Oct 27, 12:11 pm, ChrisC <chrisp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I was reading Still the Mind by Alan Watts, I also listened to one of
> his lectures. I was in a pretty good frame of mind last night. Anyway
> he was talking about awakening, how we all walk around in a delusion.
> What's weird is I understood this last night, now it's gone. I had an
> what could be called awakened moment and I really understood it all. I
> went a bed contented. When I awoke this morning it was gone. I wonder
> what it could have been.
One cannot judge a guru or a master merely on his words. But you can judge
him on his acts. Take Osho forecs he lived completely opposite to what
preached. Anybody can claim that they are selfrealised but not everybody can
prove it.
Roky
> "Roky" <rokyb...@yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelsenews:816a0e9a-6651-4307...@l33g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
A true Siddha Guru appears to his disciples as God Incarnate.
A true Siddha Guru transmits powerful shaktipat to his disciples.
Those are the proofs.
P.N.
>
> One cannot judge a guru or a master merely on his words. But you can judge
> him on his acts. Take Osho forecs he lived completely opposite to what
> preached. Anybody can claim that they are selfrealised but not everybody
> can
> prove it.
A true Siddha Guru appears to his disciples as God Incarnate.
A true Siddha Guru transmits powerful shaktipat to his disciples.
Those are the proofs.
Swami Muktananda appeared to be such Guru, he had build a tunnel to the
girls dormatary, so that he could hav his sensegratification. His legacy of
misconduct exist to this day, and every year new statements appear on the
internet. I also want to focus on the fact that forecs preachers from the
pentacost church transmit a spiritual energy almost similar to Hindu
shaktipat. These preachers are not selfrealised at all or the Diksha
movement where anybody can learn to transmit "deeksha" you are not seriously
believing that these individuals are selfrealised.
Roky
> "Roky" <rokyb...@yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelsenews:42c3d243-895a-4fe6...@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
There are no pentecostal preachers that can transmit powerful
shaktipat. The best they can manage is a kind of group self hypnosis,
like speaking in tongues or laughter.(See pentecostal bedlam;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SgByE0pX1M )
The behavior of siddhas is irrelevant to their state of consciousness.
I dont know if there is such a thing as "Self Realized".
But if the person in front of you appears to be not an Other,Seems to
be God Incarnate,has the look of Infinity in His Eyes and transmits
powerful Shaktipat that opens your Chakras then that is impressive
enough to get my attention.
The only one I ever met that did that was Adi Da.
.
P.N.2
On Oct 31, 3:29 am, "P.N." <P...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Roky" <rokyb...@yahoo.com> skrev i en
> meddelelsenews:42c3d243-895a-4fe6...@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > One cannot judge a guru or a master merely on his words. But you can
> > judge
> > him on his acts. Take Osho forecs he lived completely opposite to what
> > preached. Anybody can claim that they are selfrealised but not everybody
> > can
> > prove it.
>
> A true Siddha Guru appears to his disciples as God Incarnate.
> A true Siddha Guru transmits powerful shaktipat to his disciples.
> Those are the proofs.
>
> Swami Muktananda appeared to be such Guru, he had build a tunnel to the
> girls dormatary, so that he could hav his sensegratification. His legacy
> of
> misconduct exist to this day, and every year new statements appear on the
> internet. I also want to focus on the fact that forecs preachers from the
> pentacost church transmit a spiritual energy almost similar to Hindu
> shaktipat. These preachers are not selfrealised at all or the Diksha
> movement where anybody can learn to transmit "deeksha" you are not
> seriously
> believing that these individuals are selfrealised.
There are no pentecostal preachers that can transmit powerful
shaktipat.
And you have tried it??
The best they can manage is a kind of group self hypnosis,
like speaking in tongues or laughter.(See pentecostal bedlam;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SgByE0pX1M )
Not true Roky their energy is very similar to shaktipat not the same but
similar.
The behavior of siddhas is irrelevant to their state of consciousness.
Not true Roky an egocentric person has a egocentric behavior.
I dont know if there is such a thing as "Self Realized".
But if the person in front of you appears to be not an Other,Seems to
be God Incarnate,has the look of Infinity in His Eyes and transmits
powerful Shaktipat that opens your Chakras then that is impressive
enough to get my attention.
Again Muktananda was such a master.
The only one I ever met that did that was Adi Da.
I am told that Frank is suffering from Narcisstic personaltydisorder. And
you can get in serious trouble there, your Godman is not giving it away for
free is he?. Well I also found a master that gave me Gnan Vidhi a powerfull
spiritual energy, I never paid anything. my Guru is a gentleman. I will
never learn to understand why people in the west are approching masters with
a psyche of a monster when there is kind spiritual masters in the world.
Roky
> "Roky" <rokyb...@yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelsenews:fac5edf3-6bcd-4de3...@j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
Adi Da departed this plane of existence in November of 2009.
I dont know of anyone in the USA who can radiate Divine Grace like He
could.
"Even after you have experienced the above, attending the direct
satsang sessions with Pujya Deepakbhai is critical, whenever possible.
Also, continuous exposure to Dadashri’s books and attending local
satsang in your area will deepen your awareness and direct
experience."
So when is your Guru Deepakbhai coming to town?
P.N.3
Adi Da departed this plane of existence in November of 2009.
I dont know of anyone in the USA who can radiate Divine Grace like He
could.
My condolences
"Even after you have experienced the above, attending the direct
satsang sessions with Pujya Deepakbhai is critical, whenever possible.
Also, continuous exposure to Dadashri�s books and attending local
satsang in your area will deepen your awareness and direct
experience."
Let me tell you one thing I never got spiritual initiation from Pujya
Deepakbhai. In 2006 I had lost a fortune and was suffering from depression
and ptsd and I was on the brink of madness, when I incidently saw the photo
of Dadashri. When that happend I got my Gnan Vidhi and I was healed within
24 hours after living in a madness for 11 months. I do not need to read any
books or have a meeting with Pujya Deepakbhai. And Pujya Deepakbhai�s
presence is in no way a must for my spiritual contact with the late
Dadashri. Whenever I focus or think on Dadashri I am permiated by his
energies I do not need anyone but him who is the supreme.
So when is your Guru Deepakbhai coming to town?
I do not need him.
Roky
> "Roky" <rokyb...@yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelsenews:aeb419de-f6b1-41b0...@t18g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
I was past the brink of madness when I accidentally heard the laugh of
Adi Da and was cured.
Truth is stranger than fiction.