Patients, Advocates and Our Eyes Only III
DGSABA
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1. RES,NOT: Stephen Straus weighs alternatives
From: "Dr. Marc-Alexander Fluks" <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
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More Suggestions for New Newsgroup Posters
Some things to consider if you are new to the alt med fibromyalgia newsgroup.
Read Public Newsgoups Usenet Policy
http://www.faqs.org/usenet
When you are attacked, whether you are a newbie or an oldie, report such acts.
Lurk and Read
Comment at your own risk, esp ~ if you are new
Know, learn or use self defense
Use your delete key
Use your Filters
Protect your privacy, home address, etc
sometimes it may even be safer to not reveal you are a new person to this
illness or to this newsgroup.
All new persons coming to this newsgroup or any newsgroup.
Go to http://groups.google.com/
Then type in the screen name used here on the newsgroup or use the persons
email address, or their name.
For example.
any ones first and last name
any ones email ~ Screen name,etc.
Some times it is safer and less stressful to do ones own research.
Type in the the name seperately or type in
what you wish to reseach + another medical condition with it.
Fibromyalgia + Myalgic Encepahalomyelitis
Fibromyalgia
Post Traumatic Fibromyalgia
Fatigue
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
and the list goes on and on...
Just like the yellow brick road.
Are we in Oz yet ?
Be safe and Be alert : )
Posting to alt med fibrommyalgia since 1997 and I have never removed any of my
posts.
My Little Weeping Willow Hope Tree
Today you were planted
with hope and a prayer
and
I will watch you grow
Each and everyday I research
for the answers I need
and
I will watch you grow
I will listen and share tears
and offer soft hugs
and
I will watch you grow
Will you still be
my little weeping willow tree
or
will you be tall and strong
when
there is a cure for ME
I will watch you grow
My Hope Tree Poem
by Diana Saba
May 11, 1998
Copyright
All Rights Reserved
"Leave No Stones Unturned"
is the title of my next poem, in which, I hope to have finished in
time for Awareness Day 2002.
I'am dedicating this poem to Elaine DeFreitas.
Sincerely c soft hugs,
Diana
Welcome To Dianas' World
http://hometown.aol.com/dgsaba/myhomepage/profile.html
Owfw Part I & II & III
lightlady
how can i killfile/ignore it if you don't?? sheesh, try to get rid of BS,
and it keeps coming back, sorta like a peice of pepperoni.
--
lynn,
"If all the world's a stage, where's the audience sitting?" author unknown
opinions mine based on my own experience & research
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
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rinehart
This is for support of fibro. between a group of us that like to call
ourself friends and you should not be posting this in here ... it could
possibly lead people to believe that I believe you care and want to help
people when I know you don't care! Please set up your own ad or something
somewhere else besides here. Thank you....
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DGSABA
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1. RES: A factor analysis of chronic fatigue symptoms in a
community-based
sample
From: Co-Cure Moderators <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
2. RES: Gender differences in fibromyalgia and other related syndromes
From: Barbara Evans <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
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rinehart
ourself friends and you should not be posting this in here ... it could
possibly lead people to believe that I believe you care and want to help
people when I know you don't care! Please set up your own ad or something
somewhere else besides here. Thank you....
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
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DGSABA
FBI Targets Health Care Fraud
http://www.fbi.gov/page2/calhcf.htm
Be alert and safe.
Sincerely c soft hugs,
Diana Saba LPN
Owfw
DGSABA
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Topics in this digest:
1. MED: How can we help sufferers of CFS?
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
2. MED: How Deadly are Vaccines?
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
3. Shades of Wide Eyed and Legless
From: Trevor Wainwright <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
4. RES: Mycoplasma Pneumoniae & Heart Disease
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
5. RES,NOT: Australian CFS/ME report
From: "Dr. Marc-Alexander Fluks" <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
6. RES,NOT: Sick and tired patients in uproar
From: "Dr. Marc-Alexander Fluks" <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
diversions
and fibro support. Their message board is available to anyone. It is not
directly related to OWFW in any way, and you do not need to be a member of
OWFW to post or read at the Co-Cure site.
The "Topics In The Digest" that DGSABA posts regularly only have a link to
reply to the original authors' e-mail addys. They don't show what the
original authors' posts were *about*. So, unfortunately, they're a pretty
useless waste of space and of DGSABA's posting time. If you'd like to READ
the things posted on Co-Cure, just go to the Co-Cure website at
http://www.co-cure.org/ and click on Co-Cure Message Board about half way
down on the left. Scroll down 'til you see Go To Message Board and click on
there. Also, try here. It might be a direct link
http://co-cure.org/wwwboard/
Their posting guidelines are good. Here's an exerpt:
"The Co-Cure Message Board is open to all persons with chronic fatigue
syndrome, fibromyalgia, and related illnesses; therefore, the following are
some basic courtesies for participating:
Be respectful and considerate to persons with differing points of view. If
we all thought and felt the same way, life would truly be a bore.
Abusive remarks and flames directed at other participants are not acceptable
and will be removed from the system.
Commercial advertising, pyramid schemes, spams, and similar material is not
permitted and for obvious reasons.
Do not post in all capitals as this is considered SHOUTING. If shifting for
capitals slows you down, then just type in lower case.
Do not post the same message in different discussion groups (cross posting)
because no matter how important your message is to you, other folks don't
have the energy to read the same message five or six times.
Do enjoy yourself, make some new friends, and visit often."
Take GOOD Care,
Jane
(DGSABA's post included in full below. Wouldn't want to break any 'rules')
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
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rinehart
ourself friends and you should not be posting this in here ... it could
possibly lead people to believe that I believe you care and want to help
people when I know you don't care! Please set up your own ad or something
somewhere else besides here. Thank you....
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
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1. MED: Britain exposed to bacteria
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
2. ACT: First Do No Harm
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
3. RES: Heart disease-infection link bolstered
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
4. NOTICE: NJ Physician's Manual debuts
From: "Ted Nilson <tedd...@nac.net> via Co-Cure Moderators"
<owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
5. MED: ENADA SURVEY
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
6. Simple but complicated - it's all metabolic
From: Dennis Argall <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
7. RES: ...a nursing intervention model for women living with FM, and
their spouses
snipthism...@blueyonder.co.uk
(and Mike possibly snipped)...
>
>Alt Med Fibromyalgia Newsgroup
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>For archives see
>Google Search Engines
And the AMF FAQ is still available at
http://www.mikeswebsite.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
:-)
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Some of this in the opinion of
Mi...@N.UK
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"Disability is an external influence."
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http://www.mikeswebsite.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
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mikeo...@blueyonder.co.uk
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rinehart
work and a lot of support is in it!! good job....Melissa
"Mi...@N.UK" <snipthism...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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rinehart
people like you in the world it would be a better place to live(and to find
info about fibro.!) Keep up the good work you do! Melissa
"diversions" <diver...@xstreamwireless.ca> wrote in message
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snipthism...@blueyonder.co.uk
(and Mike possibly snipped)...
>Mike..I checked your site and it is great!!!! I can really see that hard
>work and a lot of support is in it!! good job....Melissa
Well thanks! There's quite a bit of stuff waiting on the HDD to get pasted
in but those pesky workmen are taking up a lot of our time right now.
(Check the diary pages for more on this.)
Its all Magoo's fault y'know! ;-}
DGSABA
CFSCC/Advisory Committee Status
[permission to forward in its entirety]
It has been confirmed by senior people at DHHS who are connected with CFS
issues, that the Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Coordinating Committee (CFSCC)
still exists and has not been abolished or disbanded. The Charter remains
intact and is valid through September 5, 2002. DHHS is in the process of
forming a CFS Advisory Committee, yet there is no reason why the CFSCC could
not have continued and held meetings until such time as the Advisory
Committee was formally in place. In fact, in spite of the four member
vacancy, there seems to be no reason why the CFSCC could not meet anytime
up until the expiration date. The last CFSCC meeting was the Seattle meeting
in January, 2001.
From the information we have received, there may be some advantages to the
Advisory Committee. However, the information we received may by no means be
complete and could not be considered official. No one should have to take
our word for it - information should be forthcoming from the agencies
involved or from their official representatives.
The patient community has a right to know and should be directly informed of
what changes will be made and more importantly how any changes will affect
the committee in terms of structure and function. Patients deserve to be
appraised of how the fate of this committee will be determined to ensure
that any changes made will not downgrade the committee in a manner which
would only serve to diminish its profile and potential for progress.
It is particularly important regarding the selection of members that the
patient community know who is responsible for making such decisions and how
decisions will be made. Overall, a committee's productivity primarily
reflects the knowledge, commitment and abilities of the members who compose
it. The secret and undemocratic selection process of the CFSCC members as
revealed by documents obtained through FOIA, which has allowed for
unbalanced representation of the membership, could have significantly
contributed to its failure which was confirmed by the GAO report.
From the information we have received, given the procedures and protocols
which are necessary to establish this Advisory Committee, it appears
unlikely that it could possibly meet before next fall or winter. We believe
that a CFSCC meeting should be held in the meantime to clarify and discuss
these critical issues and to allow the Name Change workgroup the opportunity
to continue their efforts. We are hopeful that this administration will take
responsibility and provide the critical leadership and direction necessary
to to ensure future progress and to restore the trust of the patient
community.
DGSABA
I am looking forward to this researchs outcome and I will help see that other
patients are aware of the studies.
Sincerely c soft hugs,
Diana Saba LPN
Owfw
Remains closed to new members
Updates posted as I can
at alt med fibromyalgia newsgroup
and ResAct
See thread:
Patients, Advocates and Our Eyes Only III
http://hometown.aol.com/dgsaba/myhomepage/profile.html
~
From: "CFS Research" <CFSresearch@m...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 4:53 pm
Subject: University of Miami CFS Study
Here is a link to a recent news report done on our Chronic Fatigue Study by
NBC. The patient in the story improved dramatically with the Procrit
treatment. We still need many more participants, so please help me get the
word out to anyone with CFS.
The study requires bimonthly visits to our office, so travel can be an issue
for many. We have had patients from all over the state of Florida, and many
use the Tri-Rail/Metro Rail to reach us, we are located steps from the Civic
Center Station in Miami.
This is the link to the recent news report by NBC
http://www.nbc6.net/dianagonzalez/1412807/detail.html
The brochure explaining the timeline of the, as well as the forms to inquire
about eligibility are at
http://www.bmrc.miami.edu/research/niaid/project2.asp
You can reach me via email at alexgo...@miami.edu or call me at 305-325-7154
Sincerely,
Alex Gonzalez
Project Manager
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1. NOT: FATIGUE 2002
From: Colin Barton <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
2. NOTICE: Understanding CFS - Letter in Chicago Tribune
From: Arie van Buuren <a.van...@chello.nl>
3. RES: NIH News Release: Experimental Therapy Stops Allergic Reactions
in
Mice
From: Co-Cure Moderators <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
4. RES: Predictors of Success of Intervention Programs for Persons with
FM
From: Barbara Evans <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
5. RES: Muscle Strengthening v. Flexibility Training in FM
From: Barbara Evans <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
6. RES: Generation of classification criteria for CFS using an artificial
neural network and traditional criteria set
From: Fred Springfield <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
7. MED: Headaches Due to Myofascial Trigger Points
From: Co-Cure Moderators <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
8. ACT: CFSCC / Advisory Committee Status
From: Jill McLaughlin <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
9. ACT: CFS Awareness Card
From: "Joy <shl...@techno.net.au> via Co-Cure Moderators"
<owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
10. NOT: URL: CFS and FM quiz
From: "Dr. Marc-Alexander Fluks" <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
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Topics in this digest:
1. NOTICE: Study seeks input from CFIDS patients
From: "Vicki Walker <vwa...@cfids.org> via Co-Cure Moderators"
<owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
2. NOTICE: CFSCC-Advisory Committee -Hands tied
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
3. RES: Patient improved dramatically -Procrit
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
4. NOTICE: Advocacy Project 2002 Forget Me Knots local press coverage
From: pamela wong <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
5. MED,NOTICE: First London Clinic for the Screening, Diagnosis and
Treatment
From: pamela wong <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
6. NOTICE: Senate Committee Approves Dr. Zerhouni as NIH Director - DHHS
Press Release
From: Co-Cure Moderators <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
DGSABA
here at alt med fibromyalgia newsgroup.
Are you being cyber-stalked ?
I am and many others who visit this usenet newsgroup are being stalked, cursed
and attacked publically even tho there is an investigation in process which
includes website sabotage and a death threat.
http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/helengnt/harass.html
W.H.O.A..
http://whoa.femail.com/
World Intellectual Property Organization
http://www.wipo.int/eng/main.htm
Canadas Criminal Law- Stalking
http://www.wwlia.org/ca-stalk.htm
Cyberstalking:Crime,enforcement and personal responsibility
http://www.law.ucla.edu/Classes/Archive/S96/340/cyberlaw.htm
NOVA..national org. for victim assistance
http://www.try-nova.org/
stalking victims sanctuary
http://www.stalkingvictims.com/main.htm
the International Web Police...
http://www.web-police.org/
http://www.cybersquirrel.com/clc/criminal/
Cyber Law Center
http://www.cybersquirrel.com/clc/criminal/cyber_ter.html
cyber stalking-threats-criminal acts
Copyright infringement laws
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/17-18red.htm
Cyberstalking & email threats
http://www.cybersquirrel.com/clc/criminal/cyberstalk.html
What to do about harrassment email & newsgroups
http://www.io.com/~barton/harass4.html
DGSABA
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There are 6 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. RES, NOT, ACT: pathological platelet parameters in CFS/ME
From: jed gallagher <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
2. MED: Parallels PPS, ME, CFS - Symposium, June
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
3. MED: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (Peter Rowe)
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
4. ACT: A DAY OF PROTEST
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
5. MED: FUNCIONAL ABILITY SCALE
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
6. MED: Solving the COX Conundrum
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
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rinehart
ourself friends and you should not be posting this in here ... it could
possibly lead people to believe that I believe you care and want to help
people when I know you don't care! Please set up your own ad or something
somewhere else besides here. Thank you....
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
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saavik
takes you seriously any more. You've used up all your credibility and your threats
are empty .
And while you're at it, get a life.
Margo
YVONNE Critter Crusader
DGSABA........don't think another thought about it!! It's just another
cry for attention.......
This is pure crapolla!!........it's one of her ''M.O.'s'' (method
operandes) for her never-ending lame attempts for her ''so called''
scare tactics that hold no validity whatsoever!!
YOu will note that ''her'' post of such ''convesation'' details ONLY the
made-up conversation!!..........
There are no headers, paths, email addresses, etc., to validate squat!!
She has typed//written this all by her little self, hoping that someone
would fall for it; hook, line and sinker; and, then added some links
for added ''Friday-nite'' freight!!
In short, she believes that EVERYONE is as gullable as she is, and will
believe everything they read!! NOT!!!!! We of the sane world, happen
to have more smarts than this!! <G>
In short, this is nothing more than her hairbrained idea of a
''B-rated'' play for the local theatre, with a cast of ''many'', who are
all played by none other than our resident ''Cybil'' here!! (aka
dgsaba.......many faces; MANY personalities!!) Boy, is she gonna be
busy memorizing all these parts!!! Whew!!! I sure hope she uses
Q-cards.......otherwise, she's bound to get the FBI mixed up with the
Girl Scouts, or something!!!
Let us know when the tickets are at the boxoffice, Diana!! This is one
staged play of yours that I just have to see!!! It's worth the 3 hour
trip to Tennessee even if I have to sit in the balcony!! LOL!!! :>))
Are ya ready for Branson yet?? hahahaha!!!
Who loves ya!!
Helen......your neighborhood Hollywood theatre reviewer!! :>)
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Re: Patients, Advocates and Our Eyes Only III
Group: alt.med.fibromyalgia Date: Sat, May 4, 2002, 1:45am (EST+5) From:
dgs...@aol.comnoliars (DGSABA)
Please see the thread: Quack Cures
here at alt med fibromyalgia newsgroup.
Are you being cyber-stalked ?
I am and many others who visit this usenet newsgroup are being stalked,
cursed and attacked publically even tho there is an investigation in
process which includes website sabotage and a death threat.
<snipped out the un-cut version......this NG is rated PG.>
Diana
rinehart
refering to BUT I will not tag behind her in her posting of non sense. This
is one good place for help but so much of the time she (Diana) posts such
otter non-sense!!!! Melissa
"rinehart" <rine...@dockpoint.net> wrote in message
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lightlady
reported yourself yet?? or should I ?? sure hope you contacted them
yourself, save me a lot of time and typing...TIA
--
lynn,
"If all the world's a stage, where's the audience sitting?" author unknown
opinions mine based on my own experience & research
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
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Femalestrom
Crystal
--
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Folks, isn't it time to suck Alaska drier than Noel Coward's Thank
You notes? And don't start caraboohoohooing about how we don't
want to compromise the primal balance of nature. Right now, one
of our biggest suppliers of gasoline is a bunch of assholes who think
we are Satan. Remember folks...bottom line: Arctic elk can not
hijack an airplane.
- Dennis Miller
DGSABA <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
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Femalestrom
allegedly investigating? I loose track. It has to be a year and a
half by now. I swear, this will be just as fun as when at the two
year mark she will be trying to convince us that they are still
investigating. But.... I think she is on her quarterly schedule,
even if the last time lasted most of the quarter.
Crystal
--
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Folks, isn't it time to suck Alaska drier than Noel Coward's Thank
You notes? And don't start caraboohoohooing about how we don't
want to compromise the primal balance of nature. Right now, one
of our biggest suppliers of gasoline is a bunch of assholes who think
we are Satan. Remember folks...bottom line: Arctic elk can not
hijack an airplane.
- Dennis Miller
saavik <saa...@igs.net> wrote in message news:3CD3892B...@igs.net...
rinehart
doesn't need to bother! Melissa
"lightlady" <lgs...@strato.net> wrote in message
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rinehart
Melissa
"Femalestrom" <xt...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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saavik
1/3 that take you to the same general home page which may or may not be
relevant depending on the user's interest. For example, the only site I found
interesting was the Canadian Criminal Law site. But it didn't help her case
any cause it says (about stalking):
"In all cases, the conduct must be such that apprehension or "fear for their
safety" is "reasonable." This means having a fear for which there is a
reason; not a fear based on exaggeration of
the situation or on imagined problems." (The bold case emphasising the last
phrase is mine.)
So as usual, her whining and threats are meaningless.
Margo
saavik
text.....Margo
saavik wrote:
<snip>
rinehart
like anyone would know b/c of her past history of craziness that all these
would be off topic of what she is trying to say or made up, but you always
give a person the benifit of the doubt and check it out!! You are one
special lady!! Melissa
"saavik" <saa...@igs.net> wrote in message news:3CD42F6D...@igs.net...
diversions
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
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> here at alt med fibromyalgia newsgroup.
By all means, please DO see the thread: Quack Cures. It started as a
simple, kind of amusing post (I wrote the original) which hopefully also
opened peoples' eyes a bit to the dangers of believing in Quack Cures. It
turned into a pretty vivid example of how one person's paranoid perceptions
can taint and sully even the most banal of topics, and points to the reason
behind many peoples' irritation levels about one poster here, namely Diana
Saba, DGSABA.
Take GOOD Care,
Jane
rinehart
brain can understand what it was and take it for that. Trust me IMO and from
others I have talk with ,you have done nothing wrong at all in here...except
good and you were complimented on it which makes Diana rage with anger b/c
of their unsureness in her own life and jealously for the way people trust
you! But trust is something you have to earn and not everyone can! Melissanews:ab1gm7$edab7$1...@ID-141366.news.dfncis.de...
saavik
anything real behind Diana's BS. Turns out there wasn't, so no point in anyone
else wasting their time. But thanks for the compliment <g.>
Margo.
Friend of FM'ly
Deirdre
Mi...@N.UK wrote:
>
> rinehart wrote,
> (and Mike possibly snipped)...
>
> >Mike..I checked your site and it is great!!!! I can really see that hard work and a lot of support is in it!! good job....Melissa
Aaaaaaaaaa! shreeeeeeek! ya *did* it!
You should put the webtribe link in too… that's where I just was - *I
could read it* right from your page! it *all fits*!!! what did you
*do*???
Oh, don't worry - I'll go look for myself.
It's perfect. It's *great*!
Thanks, Mike. Plus it really sounds as though things are actually moving
right along… three years later - but you know, I seem to remember not
that long ago you were just starting to *really* fill yer lungs'n
gettin' ready to roar like a lion and bellow like a bull… (plugs ears)
hee hee…
Mike, I'm going to give your link to our resident long term heart
transplant survivor and he'll shoot it over to another fellow for his
edification - what could possibly happen… yano. Freedom of speeh'n all
that there. I got legal advice to the effect that my best/only recourse
was to *yell* as long and loud as I could.
If it gets too hot here I think I'm going to pitch a cute little
pup-tent right out front in plain view. Heh heh…
I *really* enjoyed reading the diary entry on the new site. I'm hoping
Eileen is going to be able to rest up a little under better conditions
and you'd better take care of yourself too. Pleeze.
>
> Well thanks! There's quite a bit of stuff waiting on the HDD to get pasted in but those pesky workmen are taking up a lot of our time right now. (Check the diary pages for more on this.)
Terrific!
>
> Its all Magoo's fault y'know! ;-}
What's this? *my* fault? what did *I* do? I haven't the faintest idea
what you're talking about and I'll just deny everything.
Love from Mrs Magoo (~@-@~)
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Some of this in the opinion of
> Mi...@N.UK
> -------------------------------------------
> "Disability is an external influence."
> -------------------------------------------
> http://www.mikeswebsite.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
> -------------------------------------------
> mikeo...@blueyonder.co.uk
> -------------------------------------------
--
B-12 methylmalonuric acid (MMA) test links: References:
http://www.b12.com/page1i.htm
Doctors' letters and e-mail addy for enquiries:
http://www.b12.com/page1j.htm
.
snipthism...@blueyonder.co.uk
(and Mike possibly snipped)...
>Aaaaaaaaaa! shreeeeeeek! ya *did* it!
>
>You should put the webtribe link in too… that's where I just was - *I
>could read it* right from your page! it *all fits*!!! what did you
>*do*???
A little trick I learned from a local council office worker, just wiggle a
long screwdriver in the slot at the back of the poota box till something
gives off sparks. Either it works or..... ;-}
[ NOTE! THIS IS A JOKE! DO NOT DO THIS! :-0]
Actually....
I took notice of your comments about how things appeared in Opera and
realised I had not done enough testing on the old page templates. The new
code has been tested under Opera using various settings and under Lynx too
to make sure it all lines up ok when only basic html is rendered.
I did make a few minor boo-boos with the new templates and only noticed
them once I'd uploaded the whole site. DOH! While I was fixing this I
figured out a little trick with column sizes that means that when tables
are turned off or not used (as with Lynx) the columns actually span the
whole page as paragraphs/ Neat eh!? {size="*" for the page menu column.
Simple huh?}
I'm so please it worked. If you do notice anything else that could be
improved, do let me know. I'm off to bask in the bestowed glory before I
find out nothing appears in M$ browsers or something! ;-}
DGSABA
May 13, 2002
Co-Cure Digest 563
Co-Cure Web Site: http://www.co-cure.org/There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. ACT: ME Protest in Scotland 2002
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
2. ACT: ME Awareness Sunday 2002
From: Trevor Wainwright <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
3. RES: Sensitization, subjective health complaints, and sustained
arousal
From: Fred Springfield <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
4. RES: Cytokines and chronic fatigue syndrome
From: Fred Springfield <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
5. RES: Mediators of inflammation and their interaction with sleep:
relevance for CFS and related conditions
From: Fred Springfield <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
6. ACT: Fibromyalgia on Judging Amy
From: "VOLTA6 <VOL...@AOL.com> via Co-Cure Moderators"
<owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
7. MED: Mystery Diseases -GWI, CFS, FMS
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
&
RFW
May 13, 2002
Visit RFW: http://www.redflagsweekly.com
Sincerely c soft hugs,
Diana Saba LPN
DGSABA
Name Change Proposal and Awareness
[permission to forward]
Given the many name change debates and surveys, patients have favored using
the term myalgic encephalomyelitis (ME). This seems to have been the
overall consensus over time. Last year we put up the petition, along with
RESCIND, to call for the recognition of ME. Finally patient's requests have
been considered and were reflected in the proposal put forth by the name
change workgroup (NCW).
The NCW has finally presented a real, viable opportunity for the name change
effort. We see this proposal first and foremost as a means by which to get
official recognition for ME and we are working with the NCW to get
some clarifications and improve upon some of the content and wording of the
draft proposal. And most importantly, it calls for the recognition of ME
as originally described by Ramsay, NOT just as another name for CFS.
Simply changing the name at this point will not solve our problems. There
has been unfortunately considerable misinformation regarding the NCW
proposal, particularly that it was putting forth chronic
neuroendocrineimmune dysfunction syndrome (CNDS) as the new name for CFS,
but this is not the case.
At ALL conferences and meetings the need for the identification of subgroups
has been viewed as critical and this proposal takes the much needed first
step. The workgroup took a sound, simple and logical approach - to pull
out of CFS that which could be recognized and identified at this point,
without getting into renaming or redefining anything.
Most importantly, even beyond the name, there has been considerable harm
done by confusing ME with other entities. Unfortunately, at this point, many
simply believe and have been told that ME is JUST another name for CFS,
which is why it is critical to implement these recommendations. Separating
the two clearly indicates that they are not. Up until now, those who
fulfill the Fukuda criteria and are given a diagnosis of CFS might not even
have cognitive difficulties or post-exertional malaise but still meet the
criteria. Certainly, those who defined these criteria were unfamiliar with
the basic symptoms of ME.
This recommendation may not solve all our problems but it represents a much
needed step in the right direction. Not the least of which, - even if
NOTHING else occurs in research - those with "true" ME will not be expected
to exercise their way to health.
Regardless of what umbrella term is selected, or even if one is ever
selected, the sub-groups as recommended, particularly ME, need
to be recognized, be introduced into our dialogue, our conversations with
physcians, our interviews with the media, and our advice to researchers.
The US made a big mistake in introducing CFS. The past cannot be changed,
but the implementation of these recommendations could be our way of
beginning to undo the problems it has caused by officially helping to give
ME - in its original form - back to the rest of the world. If these
recommendations are accepted, it will in fact gain official recognition and
provide a good opportunity to get the attention of the medical community,
media and general public, and thereby increase understanding and raise
awareness.
This name change recommendation, which includes ME - made by an officially
appointed federal committee - could be the ultimate awareness project. Do
we want to continue to look for the perfect name or solution, which may not
exist, or continue to argue about it for another decade? Or meanwhile waste
more time constantly explaining and continuing to correct and protest all
the misinformation or misunderstandings of CFS?
Protest may be warranted and effective under certain circumstances. But lets
not allow protest to become the only thing we know how to do and the only
way we know how to respond. Perhaps we should try more general awareness
and look to determine how to prevent things which may not be in our best
interests from happening which we will have to protest.
Patients need to continue to support this endeavor, seize this opportunity,
and move on. Here's to a better and healthier future.
Jill McLaughlin
Executive Director
National CFIDS Foundation, Inc.
Needham, MA 02492
The petition to call for the recognition of ME is located at:
http://www.petitiononline.com/MEitis
~~~
Signatures are now at 4702 as of May 13, 2002 !
Sincerely c soft hugs,
Diana
DGSABA
May 14, 2002
Co-Cure Digest 563
Co-Cure Web Site: http://www.co-cure.org/
Join or leave the list at http://www.co-cure.org/sub.htm
Topics in this digest:
1. RES: Elevated nitric oxide/peroxynitrite mechanism for the common
etiology of MCS, CFS and PTSD
From: Fred Springfield <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
2. RES: Potential mechanisms in chemical intolerance and related
conditions
From: Fred Springfield <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
3. RES: Controlled exposures to volatile organic compounds in sensitive
groups
From: Fred Springfield <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
4. RES: The compelling anomaly of chemical intolerance
From: Fred Springfield <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
5. RES: Sensitization studies in chemically intolerant individuals:
implications...
From: Elizabeth Miller <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
6. NOTICE: May 12th tribute at UniversalMetropolis.com
From: "Kai Seay <snow...@sprint.ca> via Co-Cure Moderators"
<owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
7. RES,NOT: ME/CFS in the 21st Century
From: "Stephen Ralph <stephen...@btinternet.com> via Co-Cure
Moderators" <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
8. NAME,RES: Name Change Proposal and Awareness
From: "Jill McLaughlin <amclau...@attbi.com> via Co-Cure
Moderators" <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
9. ACT: 35% of their patients are CURED
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
10. RES: Cytolytic Cells and Their Function
From: Fred Springfield <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
11. ACT: A Manifesto for Fibromyalgia Advocacy
From: Gillian and Stan Davis <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
12. RES,NOT: Full text CFS papers Annals of the New York Academy of
Sciences
From: "Dr. Marc-Alexander Fluks" <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
13. RES,NOT: CFS and RNASE-L
From: "Dr. Marc-Alexander Fluks" <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
14. RES,NOT: Reply Behan et al. to de Meirleir et al. letter
From: "Dr. Marc-Alexander Fluks" <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
~~~
Sincerely c soft hugs,
Diana
DGSABA
DGSABA
Excerpt:
May 15, 2002
Co-Cure Digest 563
Co-Cure Web Site: http://www.co-cure.org/
Join or leave the list at http://www.co-cure.org/sub.htm
There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. RES: Fatigue severity, attributions, medical utilization, and symptoms
in persons with chronic fatigue
From: Co-Cure Moderators <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
2. RES: The role of science and advocacy regarding a chronic health
condition: The case of CFS
From: Co-Cure Moderators <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
3. Res: Chemicals And Your Health
From: "Rich Holland <richo...@JUNO.COM> via Co-Cure Moderators"
<owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
4. (unknown)
From: Co-Cure Moderators <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
5. RES: IV Lidocaine Promising in Fibromyalgia Treatment
From: Co-Cure Moderators <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
6. RES: Growth hormone response to maximal exercise is impaired in
patients with FM
From: Co-Cure Moderators <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
7. NAME: Efforts against name change, even though well-intentioned,
could hurt .
From: bud w wilson <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
8. RES: Orthostatic intolerance and chronic fatigue syndrome: New light
on
an old problem
From: Co-Cure Moderators <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
~~~
rinehart
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
Thumper
subject header was "Pubic thread."
~~Thumper~~
K.A. Thompson
CHARYBDIS
available @ amazon.com, bn.com and at
http://www.thumperworks.com (t-shirts too!)
DGSABA
Last evening I was watching FSTV, a guy named Moore talking about stupid white
men shared an interesting phone number to our white house ~ number is 202 256
1414. If you do call be on your best behavior and no cursing.
Supposedly this is the number to call and ask our questions about things we
would like to know.
Maybe when I get caught up I will call and ask about the still misssing 4.1
million in misapproriated funds, unless those too have been found and I had not
heard.
DGSABA
Excerpt:
May 16, 2002
Co-Cure Digest 563
Co-Cure Web Site: http://www.co-cure.org/
Join or leave the list at http://www.co-cure.org/sub.htm
There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. NAME: Name Change Issues
From: "Dr. Ellen Goudsmit <elleng...@hotmail.com> via Co-Cure
Moderators" <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
2. RES: Impaired postural cerebral hemodynamics in young patients with
chronic fatigue with and without OI
From: Fred Springfield <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
3. MED: T'N'T - Tips and Techniques for Treating Chronic Fatigue - May
2002
From: Margaret Bailey <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
4. NOT: Dr. Bruno to speak in Morristown, NJ Sat., May 18 and notice of
future engagements
From: KIDS Fatigue Management Program at Englewood Hospital and
<owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
5. NOT,RES: Massage Helps Fibromyalgia
From: Co-Cure Moderators <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
6. NOTICE: Poison for Profit
From: "Elaine <O2r...@prodigy.net> via Co-Cure Moderators"
<owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
7. ALL: LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU will be down Friday, May 17 for security
upgrades
From: Ray Colliton <coll...@nni.com>
8. NOTICE: Mystery illness strikes UK troops - a bit like meningitis
From: "MPWC-ME, Inc./ Gail Dahlen <Gai...@aol.com> via
Co-Cure Moderators" <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
~~~
DGSABA
Excerpt:
May 16, 2002
Co-Cure Digest 563
Co-Cure Web Site: http://www.co-cure.org/
Join or leave the list at http://www.co-cure.org/sub.htm
There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. NAME: Name Change Issues
From: "Dr. Ellen Goudsmit <elleng...@hotmail.com> via Co-Cure
Moderators" <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
2. RES: Impaired postural cerebral hemodynamics in young patients with
chronic fatigue with and without OI
From: Fred Springfield <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
3. MED: T'N'T - Tips and Techniques for Treating Chronic Fatigue - May
2002
From: Margaret Bailey <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
4. NOT: Dr. Bruno to speak in Morristown, NJ Sat., May 18 and notice of
future engagements
From: KIDS Fatigue Management Program at Englewood Hospital and
<owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
5. NOT,RES: Massage Helps Fibromyalgia
From: Co-Cure Moderators <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
6. NOTICE: Poison for Profit
From: "Elaine <O2r...@prodigy.net> via Co-Cure Moderators"
<owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
7. ALL: LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU will be down Friday, May 17 for security
upgrades
From: Ray Colliton <coll...@nni.com>
8. NOTICE: Mystery illness strikes UK troops - a bit like meningitis
From: "MPWC-ME, Inc./ Gail Dahlen <Gai...@aol.com> via
Equinox Mary
Mary
"Thumper" <thu...@thumperworks.com> wrote in message
news:1kd6eusvt1egrpva0...@4ax.com...
DGSABA
From: dgs...@aol.comnoliars (DGSABA)
Date: 5/16/02 6:16 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: <20020516071608...@mb-cr.aol.com>
Humour attempt at 6:10 am while my coffee is brewing... : )
Last evening I was watching FSTV, a guy named Moore talking about stupid white
men shared an interesting phone number to our white house ~ number is 202 256
1414. If you do call be on your best behavior and no cursing.
Supposedly this is the number to call and ask our questions about things we
would like to know.
Maybe when I get caught up I will call and ask about the still misssing 4.1
million in misapproriated funds, unless those too have been found and I had not
heard.
DGSABA
supposedly starting friday but others reporting troubles already... : (
Will post what comes thru : )
Nora
killfiled all your posts if now you are sending all this co-cure stuff I'm
not interested in on other threads?
I'm sure some are interested but can't you make a list of those who are
interested and send them private email?
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> schreef in bericht
news:20020516075729...@mb-cr.aol.com...
DGSABA
so I have taken my posts and reposted them back where they were intended.
Watch what one is posting to I guess ...
Kill file as there is still an on going investigation in the works and if you
wish to not get involved best to kill file.
Like I have stated several times if you are not involved you have nothing to
woryy about.
Thanks !
>Subject: Re: Public thread!
>From: "Nora" willem...@chello.nl
>Date: 5/16/02 9:40 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <ac0gdv$ldnva$1...@ID-78373.news.dfncis.de>
lightlady
oh, shoot, lets change it again LOL tis a Public forum, so the public
thread wins!!!
and since i'm not involved, i have nothing to worry about ;-)
--
lynn,
"If all the world's a stage, where's the audience sitting?" author unknown
opinions mine based on my own experience & research
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
news:20020516110459...@mb-cr.aol.com...
> Nora Thumper change the headings subject Patients, Advocates and Our Eyes
Only,
> so I have taken my posts and reposted them back where they were intended.
>
> Watch what one is posting to I guess ...
>
> Kill file as there is still an on going investigation in the works and if
you
> wish to not get involved best to kill file.
>
> Like I have stated several times if you are not involved you have nothing
to
> woryy about.
> Thanks !
> >Subject: Re: Public thread!
> >From: "Nora" willem...@chello.nl
> >Date: 5/16/02 9:40 AM Central Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <ac0gdv$ldnva$1...@ID-78373.news.dfncis.de>
> >
> >I killfiled Patients, Advocates and Our Eyes Only, but should I had
> >killfiled all your posts if now you are sending all this co-cure stuff
<snip>
saavik
nonsense...
and hypocracy ("Soft hugs", Baloney!)
Margo
rinehart
header(Melissa) last night I was being mean and did that . It was before I
realized I needed to be helping you and giving you the support you are here
for. Start a new thread with your stuff that you post to give comfort to
you. There is no sense in letting the change of headers and things upset you
like this! Everytime I think we are making a dtep forward you back
track...but I can handle, guess this will take more time than I thought
helping you. I am going to try and check the rest of the ng and then I have
got to clean bathrooms. but I will check back this afternoon on you if only
for a few minutes to make sure you are not upset and have gotten your thread
straightened out. Remember be calm and just repost on a different thread. I
assume you can understand me? If not let me know and I'll try and break it
down some more. Melissa
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
Freyja
It's rude at best.
--
Freyja (despam me)
went from Land O' Lakes to Land O' Quakes
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
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rinehart
FBI....... Melissa
"Freyja" <fre...@prodigynocrap.net> wrote in message
news:CQRE8.6283$x91.18...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
Leslie in Missouri
bit supposedly starting friday but others reporting troubles already...
: (
Will post what comes thru : )
Sincerely c soft hugs,
Diana<<<
Thank you, whomever, for shutting down that server. May it remain so
forever and ever.
Leslie <so sick of Diana and her rabble rousing>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Acquiring a dog may be ,-.~~~.-,
the only opportunity a V)' '(V
human ever has to (_o_)
choose a relative. Golden Retriever
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"A dog's life is too short. It's their only fault really."
Alice Turnball
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If you love animals~~~~~don't litter!
Spay/Neuter
Carol J
sharp instruments.............
Carol J
"saavik" <saa...@igs.net> wrote in message news:3CE3F96F...@igs.net...
Nanny
Nanny
DGSABA
YVONNE Critter Crusader
this is hysterical!!!
good one, Carol!! <GGGG>
Yvonne
Re: SPAM & NUTS was Re: Public thread!was P. A. & O.E.O. III
Group: alt.med.fibromyalgia Date: Thu, May 16, 2002, 1:46pm (EST-1)
From: cjs...@comcast.net (Carol J)
Angel
<thu...@thumperworks.com> wrote:
>Sheesh, I just got new glasses, but at first I swear I thought the
>subject header was "Pubic thread."
BWAHAHAHA!!
Angel
Siren of the Sea
"The lowest ebb is the
turn of the tide..."
Equinox Mary
Mary
"Thumper" <thu...@thumperworks.com> wrote in message
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Carol J
Carol J
"Equinox Mary" <mg...@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
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Carol J
obvious head problems she's got can't be trusted........people like her are
so needy, it's really pretty pathetic.
Carol J
"YVONNE Critter Crusader" <ys...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:806-3CE4...@storefull-2358.public.lawson.webtv.net...
Thumper
>Nora Thumper change the headings subject Patients, Advocates and Our Eyes Only,
>so I have taken my posts and reposted them back where they were intended.
What?
Freyja
--
Freyja the NurseWenchWitch (despam me)
Queen of the Sim City Realm, Royal Order of W.H.I.N.E
www.eclecticeel.com
Goddesses R Us: How may you serve Us?
"Equinox Mary" <mg...@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
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Nanny
rinehart
"Carol J" <cjs...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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rinehart
weird stuff with less apparant troubles!! Melissanews:ac20ac$mdbjf$1...@ID-140140.news.dfncis.de...
rinehart
trying to tell us.... oh' I see now it must have been that she was leaving!
LOL Melissa
"Nanny" <dorl...@tds.net> wrote in message
news:XqdF8.10279$fH5.10...@kent.svc.tds.net...
snipthism...@blueyonder.co.uk
(and Mike possibly snipped)...
>Humour attempt at 6:10 am while my coffee is brewing... : )
>
>Last evening I was watching FSTV, a guy named Moore talking about stupid white
>men shared an interesting phone number to our white house ~ number is 202 256
>1414. If you do call be on your best behavior and no cursing.
>
>Supposedly this is the number to call and ask our questions about things we
>would like to know.
>
>Maybe when I get caught up I will call and ask about the still misssing 4.1
>million in misapproriated funds, unless those too have been found and I had not
>heard.
The book, Stupid White Men, is way up on several best-sellers lists. We got
a copy before it even appeared on any lists in the UK. A highly recommended
read IMO.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/
for more
-------------------------------------------
Some of this in the opinion of
Mi...@N.UK
-------------------------------------------
"Disability is an external influence."
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http://www.mikeswebsite.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
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mikeo...@blueyonder.co.uk
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Femalestrom
Crystal
Spinsanity, the nation's leading watchdog of manipulative political
rhetoric,
fights back against deception on this website and on Salon.com.
Moore problems (4/10)
A San Francisco activist claims she's the originator of Michael Moore's
unsourced list of dubious Bush achievements in his bestselling "Stupid
White Men"
By Ben Fritz
[First published on Salon.com (Salon Premium subscription required)]
A list of 48 dubious achievements of President Bush appears in Michael
Moore's bestselling "Stupid White Men," without footnotes or citations
of any kind. A reader might assume that they are accumulated nuggets
from Moore's own research.
But a San Francisco activist says she came up with the list, and she's not
too happy about the way Moore is using it.
Kirsten Selberg contacted Spinsanity following a piece detailing the
numerous errors and factual distortions in "Stupid White Men" to say she
compiled that list for a wall that was displayed at the "Voters March West"
that took place nearly a year ago in San Francisco, on May 19.
Still posted on the Voters March Web site, Selberg's list contains 47 of the
48 facts about Bush mentioned in Moore's book -- in the exactly the same
order and with very similar wording. The only difference is that, unlike
Moore, Selberg provides sources for almost all of her facts.
Representatives for Moore did not respond to requests for comment.
It's quite possible that Moore got his list from any number of sources
besides
Selberg's wall. As both she and David A. Sprintzen (wrongly cited on some
Web sites as the author of the list) explain, the list was frequently
forwarded
through e-mail last summer, presumably while Moore was writing his book.
More recently, it showed up on a number of liberal Web sites.
While Moore didn't bother to source or footnote the Bush list, at least he
got
his facts straight in this case, unlike much of the rest of his book --
though he
does manage to change Labor Department official David Lauriski's name to
Dan.
As Selberg points out, though, nothing on the list has been updated to
reflect
developments since it was written. To take one example: She wrote -- and
Moore repeats -- that Bush proposed to cut the "Reading is Fundamental"
program in his original education plan. By the summer, however, when Moore
was still writing his book, media reports showed that the money was restored
as the plan made its way through Congress.
If Moore had bothered to update the list, she wouldn't be so irked, says
Selberg. "What upset me at first is that Moore and so many others have been
repeating this list without bothering to give it the serious update it
needs," she
told me. "I don't mind that my work is being used by other people, but I'd
like
to see it updated and accurate rather than just repeated over and over by
people who won't do their own research."
[This column was available exclusively to Salon Premium subscribers on
Salon.com. We hope you'll consider signing up through our affiliate link for
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I hate lists.... they remind me of things I need to do.
Mi...@N.UK <snipthism...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
Carol J
woman, his excuse was he was on crack at the time. Tried to paint himself
out to be just a regular old Joe..........you just don't know what lurks in
people's minds or what their intentions are these days.............guard
yourself at all costs!
Carol J
"rinehart" <rine...@dockpoint.net> wrote in message
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DGSABA
Please be patient the server to Co-Cure may be down for a bit today.
Excerpt:
May 17, 2002
Co-Cure Digest
There are 5 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. NOTICE,ACT: "I Remember Me"
From: Patti Schmidt <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
2. NOTICE: "I Remember Me" to open in LA
From: Patti Schmidt <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
3. ACT,NOTICE: AYME Evening With Cherie Blair at #10 Downing Street
From: "Pamela Wong, Co-Cure Moderator"
<owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
4. ACT,NOT: Media Update
From: "Renee Brehio <rmbr...@cfids.org> via Co-Cure Moderators"
<owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
5. MED: Prescribing exercise for people with fibromyalgia
From: Kimberly Hare <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
DGSABA
DGSABA
Carol J
Carol J
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
news:20020517212648...@mb-cv.aol.com...
DGSABA
and related illnesses lists.
Be aware and be safe.
<< Subj: [CFSFMExperimental] Computer Warning: Hacker loose in PWC Community
Date: 5/14/02 1:37:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: inthe...@sbcglobal.net (marcianme)
Reply-to: CFSFMExp...@yahoogroups.com
To: CFSFMExp...@yahoogroups.com
FYI:
If you saw a post attributed to me on the CFS-L group, I didn't
write it.
I was victim to hacker harrassment tonight. A false
message was posted from my e-ddress to the CFS-L group. I
have never sent or even read a CFS-L message to date. The
moderator sent me a letter informing me that "my" post,
and "my needs" don't belong on that group. I am new to
newsgroup resources and appalled that anyone would
maliciously misrepresent me.
Sincerely,
xxxxxx >>
DGSABA
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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Compelling anomaly Chemical Intolerance (article)
From: Jan van Roijen <j.van....@chello.nl>
2. Links between Pesticides & Parkinson's
From: Jan van Roijen <j.van....@chello.nl>
3. Exercise for people with FMS
From: Jan van Roijen <j.van....@chello.nl>
4. I Remember Me
From: Jan van Roijen <j.van....@chello.nl>
5. Power sharing is not a takeover bid
From: Jan van Roijen <j.van....@chello.nl>
6. M.E. Pamphlet launched
From: Jan van Roijen <j.van....@chello.nl>
7. M.E. Pamphlet launched
From: Jan van Roijen <j.van....@chello.nl>
~~~
DGSABA
May 18, 2002
Co-Cure Digest
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Join or leave the list at http://www.co-cure.org/sub.htm
There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. MED: Discomfort of patient power - Letters in BMJ
From: Maggie Wallace <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
2. Not: Unique conference in Portland, Or June 15
From: Joanne Brayden <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
3. ALL: The Co-Cure Web interface is back on-line
From: Co-Cure Moderators <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
4. RES: "Nature" article sheds light on mechanisms that regulate
sensitivity of brain cells to neurotransmitters
From: Co-Cure Moderators <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
rinehart
am not selling any) denial and attention getter on the other hand can be
numerous different meanings! I stay off here for one day and now look! I am
sorry but had to do my 2 week gro. shopping so I can cook all those home
cooked meals! You have not had attention b/c you disappeared after spewing
the things you did to me and then I answered all your questions you had so
you would answer mine..but you broke your word AGAIN and did like you said
you wouldn't do and answered everyone elses posts! What exactly is wrong
with you? Who gave you the spell check? or did you cut your nails? I will
try and check in later to see what you have stirred now for attention... ...
Melissa
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
DGSABA
Owfw Supports Research for Mystery Illnesses
by Diana Saba LPN
Today Owfw, Our Working Fibro World is passing on it's bright torch to NCF,
the National CFIDS Foundation.
Together and by combining their supporters to support funding research for FM
CFIDS ME PPS MCS GWI and all related illnesses shared by those stricken with a
mystery illness.
All supporters of Owfw will be asked to extend their lifelines and join NCF in
funding this very important research. Owfw members can do so by contacting NCF
to have your buisness listed quarterly in The National Forum. To be listed you
only need to make a donation or a percentage pledge and all donations from Owfw
members will be earmarked strictly for research to be funded by the National
CFIDS Foundation.
Contact information is as follows:
Attention Gail Kansky, Editor who will be overseeing the newest Owfw.
The Natioanl CFIDS Foundation, Inc.
103 Aletha Road
Needham, MA 02492-3931
Phone: (781) 449-3535
Fax: (781) 449-8606, (781) 925-3393
Special and specific instructions have been given to
Gail Kansky as to the future of Owfw. Along with a new name designed by the
children who have been sticken with a mystery illness, Owfw will continue to be
an all volunteer endeaver. Special Moms and special chidren will be creating a
new website for Owfw. Due to decling health reasons I, Diana Saba LPN am very
happy to pass this torch to the next generation who will are living with a
mystery illness until there is a cure.
I'd like to also take this opportunity to thank Patricia Lynch aka Susy Dog of
New York, Tom Hennessy of R.E.S.C.I.N.D., Leslee and Sean Dudley of Mycoplasma
Registry for sharing with me over the past sevearl years all the the many
sources of information which has been shared and posted at Owfw helping to
advocate our awareness.
I also wish to thank the patients Researchers such as Dr. W. John Martin of
CCID, Center for Complex Infectious Diseases and Dr.Richard L. Bruno Director
of Fatigue Management Programs and The Post-Polio Institute at Englewood (NJ)
Hospital and Medical Center, Dr. Elaine S. Katz of CFIDERs for those who have
no where else and Lydia Neilson of National ME/FM Action Network in Canada for
all the information shared via their websites.
There are so many others who I wish to thank and dare not even begin naming as
I would not wish to over look any person or any organization deserving a
mention and there are also a few in which many of us have all had to deal with
at one time or another who do not deserve mentioning other than as in a warning
to all newbies and oldies as a be aware and be alert warning.
In a research capacity Owfw will be reopening to all past and future members.
Gail will be working with several of the Moms who also have sick children and
will be realeasing more information once all is organized. Any information any
one wishes to make note of at Owfw Part I please do so as Owfw Part I will be
changing in the near future and all information there will be removed or added
to begining April 2002.
I have enjoyed posting and helping others who have come to the internet to
learn about our illnesses.
I will continue to post a few tidbits as my time and health permits and I look
forward to a newer and more helpful Owfw but most of all I look forward to the
research that will one day give us all a reason to close and no longer be
needed.
Please keep sharing Owfws concept which is to maintian a safe haven and help
one another.
Owfw supports Investigative Journalism, pkease contact the following with your
own personal stories of survival.
Thomas Paine National historical Association
http://www.thomaspaine.org/
The Public i
http://www.pubic-i.org/
Civil Rights
http://www.civilrights.org/
FSTV
http://www.freespeech.org/
Red Flags Weekly
http://redflagsweekly.com/
We are each a survivor in our own existance.
Sincerely c soft hugs,
Diana Saba LPN
Welcome to Dianas World
When the Dogwoods Bloom
All about ME
http://hometown.aol.com/dgsaba/myhomepage/profile.html
rinehart
at one time or another who do not deserve mentioning other than as in a
warning
But Diana? I don't understand.... Unless you are not going to keep your word
about this like you didn't about answering my questions after I answered
your questions, this is not needed anymore! didn't you say you were leaving
this? this isn't denial, this is not thinking before you speak or type in
this case(going too fast again!) the newbies have been ran off by you
asking them personal things to benifit you or a ng up in arms over childish
words from you to the members here. In other words no warning needed here,
if you are stepping down like you say? Where and what will you do with all
your extra time now? When I answered all of your personal questions to me I
didn't mean to make you think you had to keep up with me! So, it must be
that you will be having more free time to pop in and out of here so I can
help you with realizing and understanding what people have been trying to
tell you... or water the flowers, or to type slower, and think about
supporting people and being nice. Glad to hear you are making more time for
yourself and am sure the news letter will benifit too, with getting a new
start and being able to help and support people of the cause. I am sure the
people left behind will do their up most effort to do good in the eyes of
the people it supports. Can't think of that saying exactly....?... something
like everything happens for a reason? Anyways heres to (with glasses raised)
the fresh start of the 'Owfw'...here,here!!!!! Congrats are in
order...Melissa
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
news:20020519150050...@mb-mf.aol.com...
René Lynette
Diana,
What do you mean by "fake persuaders?" I saw you use it in one other post,
and don't get the inference then, either. Are you actually telling someone
they are liars? I'm not angry here -- just curious. It's not something
I've ever heard before.
-- René
"Madness takes its toll.
Please have exact change."
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
DGSABA
Excerpt:
May 18, 2002
Co-Cure Digest
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There are 2 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. NOT: NCF reports on new study
From: "<GAIL...@AOL.COM> [via Co-Cure Moderators
<co-cu...@listserv.nodak.edu>]" <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
2. Fight for recognition in a fog of fatigue
From: Trevor Wainwright <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
There are 5 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. NOT: FATIGUE 2002
From: Colin Barton <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
2. MED: Mechanisms in Chemical Intolerance
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
3. NOT,RES: Latest ME/CFS References
From: David Axford <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
4. Classic for ME
From: Trevor Wainwright <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
5. ACT: Was there a takeover bid? -response BMJ
From: Jan van Roijen <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
DGSABA
what my meanings are or what they represent would be giving away my secrets.
An investigation is still on going so I prefer not to reveal what my markings
mean, thanks and hope you are doing well today Rene.
>"René Lynette" ReneLy...@mchsi.com
>Date: 5/19/02 6:32 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <ZBWF8.65854$Po6....@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>
>
>
>Diana,
>
>What do you mean by "fake persuaders?" I saw you use it in one other post,
>and don't get the inference then, either. Are you actually telling someone
>they are liars? I'm not angry here -- just curious. It's not something
>I've ever heard before.
>
>-- René
>
>"Madness takes its toll.
>Please have exact change."
>
Sincerely c soft hugs,
rinehart
have to be marked in a 'special way'! KIND OF LIKE A CAT MARKS THEIR
THINGS'..you are off girl friend in a bad way!ROTFLMAO!!! Lift your tail and
mark this why don't you!!! Melissa
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
Spooky Old Alice
make in every newsgroup? Interesting fishing that would make, lots of
blind alleys to follow.
Who knows how to make ascii art of a head exploding?
rinehart
now!!!ROTFLMAO!!! You are safe cause the link won't open but people that
want things about the public might not take kindly to you sending them to
the PUBIC AREA!!LOL LOL Melissa
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
YVONNE Critter Crusader
ROFLMAOAWMP!!!
DS aka TVI wrote::
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
news:20020519150050...@mb-mf.aol.com...
May 19, 2002
Owfw Supports Research for Mystery The Public i
!!!>>>>>
http://www.pubic-i.org/
Civil Rights
Shouldn't this be p-u-b-L-i-c???? HAHAHAHAHA!!!
rinehart
could pick which you want to do
Wacoc
filed
I know there are more picks just can't think of them off the top of my head
but what a good idea..anything for a friend right? Melissa
"Spooky Old Alice" <alice...@not.dot.not> wrote in message
news:6j2heuk15v2af6l7c...@4ax.com...
Thumper
Critter Crusader) wrote:
>Take a look!! She DID write that, Thumper!!! HAHAHAHA!!!
>ROFLMAOAWMP!!!
Heh...
rinehart
DGSABA
Excerpt:
May 20, 2002
Co-Cure Digest
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. NOTICE: Lehigh Valley CFS Support Group to present "I Remember Me" May
28
From: Patti Schmidt <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
2. ACT: CBT. The broadening of a concept.
From: Ellen Goudsmit <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
3. RES: CFS/ME & FM papers, published since April 2002
From: "Dr. Marc-Alexander Fluks" <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
DGSABA
Excerpt:
May 21, 2002
Co-Cure Digest
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There are 5 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. NOTICE,ACT: New Danish ME/CFS web-site and a new ME/CFS Portal
From: Arie van Buuren <a.van...@chello.nl>
2. RES,MED: Late and Chronic Lyme Disease: Symptom Overlap with CFS & FM
From: Arie van Buuren <a.van...@chello.nl>
3. NOTICE,RES: Looking for baby boomers with CFS and childhood illness
From: Arie van Buuren <a.van...@chello.nl>
4. RES: Residential Rehabilitation Courses in the Self-Directed
Management
of CFS
From: Fred Springfield <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
5. NOTICE: Dr. Zerhouni Assumes Leadership of the NIH (NIH Press Release)
From: Co-Cure Moderators <owner-...@listserv.nodak.edu>
rinehart
all day long and then honestly think anyone wants to read your posts?LOL It
would serve the idea better to just email this to the other 2
people!duh'...Melissa
"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
DGSABA
and happenings...
NewsLetter Excerpt
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"DGSABA" <dgs...@aol.comnoliars> wrote in message
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<snip>
> So who knows wos door will be knocked upon... No one holds it over the
> newsgroup more than this Jobie except a few of the gang bang buddies on this
> newsgroup. I and others have gone on with our lives and you and those few are
> the only ones who can't seem to leave it alone.
<snip>
"Freyja" <fre...@prodigynocrap.net> wrote in message news:%qFG8.1042$W_.43...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
> I did give the name of the newsgroup. The particulars may be enough for
> them despite that.
>
> {powerblush} Shucks, anyone could have done what I did. I think it may
> be worth it for everyone who has been threatened with being investigated
> in Diana's fever-dream of an FBI investigation to call their local
> office. It's in the phone book under US Govt., or go to
> http://www.fbi.gov for the number of the nearest office.