ARGH!!!! Crazy eBuyer!!!
Teknical
story...
Guy buys an widget from me at the end of July ($120 sale, vintage electronic
item, about 20 years old). The auction listed the item as being in
functional condition , because.... it worked. I tested it myself, and also
had a minor repair professionally done prior to sale, and it was given a
good chek-over when it was getting repaired. The repair shop even commented
on the excellent condition of it... The item was also sold as-is however,
because it is 20 years old, and it was clearly marked as an "as-is" sale, in
a normal font, no trickery with tiny fonts or legal-ese, or anything like
that.
He paid for the item on Aug 9th, (money order), I shipped it out to him the
same day, it got to his place on the 12th according to the tracking info. On
the 20th, he gives me a positive feedback, saying he's more then happy with
the item (this was 8 days after it arrived), I respond with a positive
feedback, saying he made prompt payment, good communication, etc...
On the 27th (15 days after he received the item), he emails me and tells me
the widget isn't working properly, and he's taken it in to a repair shop.
They've told him it needs $160 worth of repairs for a worn component. (a
beta vcr "head")
I emailed him back, and explained that I was perplexed that this problem has
arised, as I'd tested the item myself, and found it to be working fine, and
also had it professionally serviced prior to sale, and I couldn't understand
how the head could have suddenly become worn in the span of less then a
month. (He tells me that it's impossible to see anything on the screen, but
there was no issue when it was here...) I explained the item was sold as-is,
however if he sends me a copy of the invoice, I'd take it to the shop where
I had the widget refurbished, and ask them for any suggestions, and try to
come to an amicable agreement.
He emailed me again, saying that I had a "legal responsibility", and was
"legally liable" to either fix his widget or refund all of his money
(including shipping), or he'd go to eBay or Squaretrade. I'm still trying
to be helpfull at this point, but this email really rubbed me the wrong way.
I explained clearly that the widget was sold as-is, and was functioning when
sold, and must have been functioning for at least some period of time after
he got it, because he left positive feedback explaining how happy he was
with it 8 days after receiving the item. I again offered to show the invoice
to the shop where I had the item refurbished for suggestions. I also
explained that I'd be more then happy to allow squaretrade to mediate the
issue.
He emailed me back with this "No further communication is necessary as it is
a waste of my time and yours. I will file complaints with both Ebay and
Square Trade. In my view your actions are fraudulent and I will proceed
accordingly."
I don't care about him complaining to eBay or squaretrade, I don't feel I've
done anything wrong, and I've tried to be helpfull with this guy; in fact if
he'd had a different attitude, I'd have offered a discount of some sort at
the very least, or send him a replacement part if I could source one at a
reasonable price, regardless of the fact the auction was as-is, and it's
been in his house for half a month. I don't want anyone to get burned on a
buy, but I also don't know what this guy has done to the widget in the half
month he's had it. What *really* pisses me off is this guy saying my
actions are fraudulent.
Sigh... What to do, What to do....
EF in FLA
left you PFB. Hardly your problem, especially on a 20 year old piece of
electronics. Let him report it to anyone he wants to.
ef
Wildwood
"Teknical" <tekn...@nospamrogers.com> wrote:
>
>Sigh... What to do, What to do....
>
The only thing to do is reply to the SquareTrade complaint at least 1
time so that they don;t win by default. Even if they DO win,
SquareTrade is not binding, but state the facts one time in your
initial response like you did here "As-is item both refurbished and
tested before shipment and buyer left positive feedback 8 days after
tracking shows delivery stating that they were happy with item. It's
not my fault that they broke it after that."
Then, after entering that info, check the box on the SquareTrade
complaint page stating that the matter is closed and you no longer
want to deal through SquareTrade, which will immediately close the
complaint.
Jim Menning
"EF in FLA" <ilov...@spam-me-some-more.com> wrote in message
news:zKSYc.6118$uN5....@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> Sounds like it broke down AFTER he said he was happy with it and AFTER he
> left you PFB. Hardly your problem, especially on a 20 year old piece of
> electronics. Let him report it to anyone he wants to.
>
Yep. And he paid by money order, so you don't have to worry about a
chargeback.
He can complain all he wants to eBay, but if you save his emails, and
document the dates he received the item and left feedback, it will be
pretty obvious to anyone that he cries to that you are not at fault.
But on the other hand, he may indeed be having real troubles with the VCR.
In reality, he may have had it work fine for a few days, and then appear to
go bad. For example, if he put in a tape, and recorded a program, it may
indeed have played back fine. Rental movies may play fine. But if he
takes a tape he previously recorded on his old VCR, it may not track
properly through the new machine. If he then takes it into a shop for an
estimate, and the alignment of the VCR is fine, the next thing they often
do is examine the heads for wear. If the heads are worn, and likely they
are, a technician will want to replace them. Head wear is a very common
cause for VCRs not playing a "good" picture. The problem just may be that
his old VCR was so far out of alignment that the tapes he previously
recorded will track outside of the path the new machine is capable of
handling.
This is a common problem a lot of people have when buying a new VCR. Often
they find their old tapes just will not track properly in the new VCR, and
they blame the new unit, or decide that their old tapes are just too old.
Even if the picture plays fine, often the soundtrack may be distorted,
garbled, or the stereo signal missing. This may be his problem, and he may
be a victim of his own ignorance in regard to that situation.
So the buyer may not have done anything to damage the VCR, and it may
indeed be experiencing problems. But that still does not mean it's the
seller's responsibility. It just means that you often will have to give
the buyer the benefit of doubt in such a situation. He may indeed feel
victimized.
Or he may have wrecked it somehow, and be making up the story of the
estimates if he can't provide proof. But we really don't know that yet.
jim menning
Don Lancaster
Full refund of all costs, of course.
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Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
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Walter
> Full refund of all costs, of course.
Why not just pay people for the privilege of bidding on your stuff? It
would be far easier and make everyone much happier. Then "buyers" would
have a right to be angry about your cancelling their "bid" as it would
be costing them money. While you're at it, you can straighten their
bananas for them, too.
Andy Dingley
<tekn...@nospamrogers.com> wrote:
>He emailed me back with this "No further communication is necessary as it is
>a waste of my time and yours. I will file complaints with both Ebay and
>Square Trade. In my view your actions are fraudulent and I will proceed
>accordingly."
eBay is a trading service, not a mental healthcare charity. I'm
sorry, but you've just met Mr Angry and today the sky-penguins are
telling him that _you're_ the incarnation of pure evil.
Andy Dingley
wrote:
>Full refund of all costs, of course.
What's your eBay handle Don ? I'd like to sign up for a few of your
no-cost equipment rental bargains.
Christopher
>They've told him it needs $160 worth of repairs for a worn component. (a
>beta vcr "head")
>
I wonder what he's playing in his new VCR. If it's a tape *he made himself* on
another VCR, there's always a risk that it won't play. A likelihood, even.
I have tons of tapes I recorded on one of my old VCRs that don't play well on
my current unit. I get snow across the bottom, and terrible sound.
It's just the nature of the medium that old tapes may not align perfectly with
the head(s) of a new VCR.
Nick Cooper 625
> "EF in FLA" <ilov...@spam-me-some-more.com> wrote in message
> news:zKSYc.6118$uN5....@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> > Sounds like it broke down AFTER he said he was happy with it and AFTER he
> > left you PFB. Hardly your problem, especially on a 20 year old piece of
> > electronics. Let him report it to anyone he wants to.
> >
>
> Yep. And he paid by money order, so you don't have to worry about a
> chargeback.
>
> He can complain all he wants to eBay, but if you save his emails, and
> document the dates he received the item and left feedback, it will be
> pretty obvious to anyone that he cries to that you are not at fault.
>
> But on the other hand, he may indeed be having real troubles with the VCR.
>
> In reality, he may have had it work fine for a few days, and then appear to
> go bad. For example, if he put in a tape, and recorded a program, it may
> indeed have played back fine. Rental movies may play fine. But if he
> takes a tape he previously recorded on his old VCR, it may not track
> properly through the new machine. If he then takes it into a shop for an
> estimate, and the alignment of the VCR is fine, the next thing they often
> do is examine the heads for wear. If the heads are worn, and likely they
> are, a technician will want to replace them. Head wear is a very common
> cause for VCRs not playing a "good" picture. The problem just may be that
> his old VCR was so far out of alignment that the tapes he previously
> recorded will track outside of the path the new machine is capable of
> handling.
With older VCRs - especially obsolete formats like Beta - there is far
too much potential for the buyer not being satisfied if you sell as
anything better than untested/as-is/spare. It could be that the
machine you sell is in perfect condition, but the buyer's previous one
wasn't, so they're old tapes "won't play properly," for which they
will blame the new VCR. Of course, it is just possible that the heads
might be teetering on the edge of their useful life, and the new owner
might push them over that edge fairly quickly, whether through careful
use or not. In the past, I've seen people selling used Betacam tapes
as Betamax blanks, even though the tape formulation is far too
abrasive for Betamax machines, and so is a quick route to dead heads.
On the other hand, reapir technicians are not unknown for "finding"
lots of things that "need" to be fixed (they're a bit like dentists in
that respect).
The reality, though, is that pretty much every VCR depreciates to zero
value in seven years. After that point, it's worth maybe £10
(US$15-20) for scrap/spares. The only exception would be if you're
looking at a machine that was mothballed after <7 years use, but the
genral rule of thumb is that something that old will have been used
into the ground after that time.
Rita Ä Berkowitz
news:9uq8j014hesenvvkb...@4ax.com...
Look him up, he's running an excellent special on a 48-channel lighting
dimming panel. You pay shipping both ways and you have a great deal.
Rita
Ryan
their opinion was very helpful and more than most would do.
The item was sold "as is" and he already left you feedback and paid
via money order. This is the best possible situation for a seller to
be in when they have done nothing wrong and a buyer starts making
demands.
If SquareTrade contacts you, respond that the item was sold "as is"
and you tested it before shipping. There is nothing they can do and
this is clearly his problem.
Good Luck! I think he may just disappear when he discovers this
threats arn't working on you.
Bob(but not that Bob)
>
> I'm really pissed about this guy.. argh... I need to vent :) Here's the
> story...
>
> Guy buys an widget from me at the end of July ($120 sale, vintage electronic
> item, about 20 years old). The auction listed the item as being in
> functional condition , because.... it worked. I tested it myself, and also
> had a minor repair professionally done prior to sale, and it was given a
> good chek-over when it was getting repaired. The repair shop even commented
> on the excellent condition of it... The item was also sold as-is however,
> because it is 20 years old, and it was clearly marked as an "as-is" sale, in
> a normal font, no trickery with tiny fonts or legal-ese, or anything like
> that.
>
> He paid for the item on Aug 9th, (money order), I shipped it out to him the
> same day, it got to his place on the 12th according to the tracking info. On
> the 20th, he gives me a positive feedback, saying he's more then happy with
> the item (this was 8 days after it arrived), I respond with a positive
> feedback, saying he made prompt payment, good communication, etc...
>
At this point the deal was over. Period. The End.
Teknical
"Bob(but not that Bob)" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:41349B...@nowhere.com...
>
> At this point the deal was over. Period. The End.
Thanks for all the advice folks, I appreciate it.. I had intended to not
follow up with him any more (other then responding to any squaretrade
inquiries), but I really appreciate the support offered here.... and I just
needed to vent the problem with this guy...
Cheers
Don Lancaster
Actually, we even have free delivery of the dimming panel up to one
hundred feet from our driveway.
Don Lancaster
>
> At this point the deal was over. Period. The End.
And thus they should IMMEDIATELY stop selling on eBay.
Perhaps taking up hang gliding, decoupage, or blacksmithing instead.
Walter
Don Lancaster wrote:
> "Rita Ä Berkowitz" wrote:
>
>>"Andy Dingley" <din...@codesmiths.com> wrote in message
>>news:9uq8j014hesenvvkb...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:10:46 -0700, Don Lancaster <d...@tinaja.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Full refund of all costs, of course.
>>>
>>>What's your eBay handle Don ? I'd like to sign up for a few of your
>>>no-cost equipment rental bargains.
>>
>>Look him up, he's running an excellent special on a 48-channel lighting
>>dimming panel. You pay shipping both ways and you have a great deal.
>>
>>Rita
>
>
> Actually, we even have free delivery of the dimming panel up to one
> hundred feet from our driveway.
But you said full refund of all costs ... I would imagine shipping costs
money.
>
Bob(but not that Bob)
Unless you want to waste more time, and go from the level of "ARGH!!!!"
all the way up to "AIEEEEE!!!", there's really no need to respond to
Squaretrade junkmail.
Bob(but not that Bob)
>
> "Bob(but not that Bob)" wrote:
> >
> > At this point the deal was over. Period. The End.
>
> And thus they should IMMEDIATELY stop selling on eBay.
> Perhaps taking up hang gliding, decoupage, or blacksmithing instead.
>
Do we really need a flood of msgs asking whether horseshoes can go Media
Mail?
Please consider deleting "blackmithing" from your recommendations.
crabby
Now Now...A "farrier" does the shoeing thing...;0)
I can say from experience there is very little money on eBay for a
Blacksmith forging his own stuff, there is too much imported crap.
my 2ข....ซบป
Rita Ä Berkowitz
news:41349CCB...@tinaja.com...
>
> Actually, we even have free delivery of the dimming panel up to one
> hundred feet from our driveway.
That works for me, just fork it over to the end of the driveway and I'll do
the rest.
Rita
Pete
Jim Menning
"Pete" <esl...@uboot.com> wrote in message
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Tell what to who?
Please reference what you are talking about.
Also, what's with that site? Did it just start up 10 minutes ago? There's
nothing there! Only one member? And even if there were some topics in the
empty forum, of what value would it be? Do you think potential bidders
will all run off to your site and check it out as if it were the Better
Business Bureau?
Looks like a complete waste of time to me. It really serves no function at
all other than a private little bitching club. We can discuss all those
subjects right here, on this newsgroup. No need to waste our time running
over there.
jim menning
Don Lancaster
You definitely should remove them from the horse first.
Don Lancaster
Forgeries are quite common.
Pete
I started it a couple of hours ago actually :) , you ran over there, so
maybe when the forum/site is finished some others will do too
thanks for the constructive criticism. Yes it is a bitching club but
certainly not private, and yer never know James Menning may even be the
first whinger of the week Thanks
:)
Jim Menning
"Pete" <m...@eslayer.dotcodot.uk> wrote in message
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It's jim, not James. If you use "James" no one will know who you are
referring to! ;o)
Too late, I see you've already libeled me.
"Whinger of the week so far is James Menning the pratt".
No big deal, as I'm not on eBayUK, and no one here in the US would ever use
words like "whinger" or "pratt". Dictionary.com doesn't even recognize the
term "pratt", other than identifying two US cities as sharing that name.
For all anyone here knows, you've just told everyone that I am a God, and
they all need to worship me.
Your counters aren't working right either. "Fat Boy" is your "Newest
Member" and "Moderator", yet your counter still reads 0 members.
Your site is a private bitching club in the sense that you have to join the
membership in order to post!
What use is your site? What do you hope to offer that hundreds of other
failed attempts at exactly the same thing tried and failed to accomplish?
Or are you just hoping for some income from the pledges of people who
mistakenly believe that your site will have an influence on cleaning up
eBay?
What is your future vision of your site, and why do you think it is even
needed?
If you can convince us of the answers to that, maybe then you can gain our
support. But be warned, we are a tough crowd, and don't get suckered into
things easily.
jim menning
Pete
the
> membership in order to post!
No you do not, guests can post too
>
> What use is your site? What do you hope to offer that hundreds of other
> failed attempts at exactly the same thing tried and failed to accomplish?
> Or are you just hoping for some income from the pledges of people who
> mistakenly believe that your site will have an influence on cleaning up
> eBay?
no idea yet, it was a bit of fun, i get bored easy
>
> What is your future vision of your site, and why do you think it is even
> needed?
again no idea, however, i have had some intersting ideas from others ;)
> If you can convince us of the answers to that, maybe then you can gain our
> support. But be warned, we are a tough crowd, and don't get suckered into
> things easily.
no worries i been married for a long time & nothing gets tougher than that
Jim Menning
WooHoo. Up to two members. "Fat Boy" and "TXDI".
> > Your site is a private bitching club in the sense that you have to join
> the
> > membership in order to post!
>
> No you do not, guests can post too
Then what is the reason for joining?
> >
> > What use is your site? What do you hope to offer that hundreds of
other
> > failed attempts at exactly the same thing tried and failed to
accomplish?
> > Or are you just hoping for some income from the pledges of people who
> > mistakenly believe that your site will have an influence on cleaning up
> > eBay?
> no idea yet, it was a bit of fun, i get bored easy
That's unfortunate. How about offering to do some online web site design?
Looks like you've got some skills there.
> >
> > What is your future vision of your site, and why do you think it is
even
> > needed?
> again no idea, however, i have had some intersting ideas from others ;)
>
> > If you can convince us of the answers to that, maybe then you can gain
our
> > support. But be warned, we are a tough crowd, and don't get suckered
into
> > things easily.
> no worries i been married for a long time & nothing gets tougher than
that
Well, at least you've got a positive attitude. Seriously though, do you
design websites, or was this basically a copy of an existing site? I think
many of us in this group could also benefit our sales and our hobbies by
having someone set up some (inexpensive) websites for them. If you've got
enough free time to get bored, maybe you could use your talents to help
others, and make some legitimate income.
By the way, what are the definitions of "whinger" and "pratt" as you have
used them? Let's at least help educate the public reading this thread.
(Even my spell-checker rejects them).
jim menning
Pete
> WooHoo. Up to two members. "Fat Boy" and "TXDI".
> > > Your site is a private bitching club in the sense that you have to
join
> > the
> > > membership in order to post!
> >
> > No you do not, guests can post too
>
> Then what is the reason for joining?
xxxxxThere is 'no reason, it is just an option
> > > What use is your site? What do you hope to offer that hundreds of
> other
> > > failed attempts at exactly the same thing tried and failed to
> accomplish?
> > > Or are you just hoping for some income from the pledges of people who
> > > mistakenly believe that your site will have an influence on cleaning
up
> > > eBay?
>
> > no idea yet, it was a bit of fun, i get bored easy
>
> That's unfortunate. How about offering to do some online web site design?
> Looks like you've got some skills there.
xxxxx only too happy to help anyone, anytime if I can.
> > > What is your future vision of your site, and why do you think it is
> even needed?
> > again no idea, however, i have had some intersting ideas from others ;)
> > > If you can convince us of the answers to that, maybe then you can gain
> our
> > > support. But be warned, we are a tough crowd, and don't get suckered
> into
> > > things easily.
>
> > no worries i been married for a long time & nothing gets tougher than
> that
>
> Well, at least you've got a positive attitude. Seriously though, do you
> design websites, or was this basically a copy of an existing site? I
think
> many of us in this group could also benefit our sales and our hobbies by
> having someone set up some (inexpensive) websites for them. If you've got
> enough free time to get bored, maybe you could use your talents to help
> others, and make some legitimate income.
xxxx I do have a serious site about seafishing and have done a few in my
time, but really with todays software, if you can write a letter in word,
you can design a site
> By the way, what are the definitions of "whinger" and "pratt" as you have
> used them? Let's at least help educate the public reading this thread.
> (Even my spell-checker rejects them).
A whinger in the UK is someone who irritates everyone else by constantly
moaning/griping - a pratt is less complimentive, it's someone who is a fool
( incidently, pratt had been removed from the news ticker)
Jim Menning
>
> A whinger in the UK is someone who irritates everyone else by constantly
> moaning/griping - a pratt is less complimentive, it's someone who is a
fool
> ( incidently, pratt had been removed from the news ticker)
>
Thanks for supplying the definitions. And thanks for the little smiley
face!
However I think if you stick around here for any length of time, you'll see
you've named me wrongly. There are some on this group that do nothing but
constantly gripe about eBay or Paypal, but yet want the benefits of using
them. They are the true "whingers". (I wonder if it isn't the same as the
term "whiner", used for those who do nothing but "whine". Any chance that
"g" is silent?) My purpose here is to pass some time, and help others when
I can.
Any way, hang around here for a while, maybe you too can be of some help to
others. I think you'll find our group effectively deals with eBay and
Paypal problems by trying to give solutions to those who need them, while
at the same time having fun by teasing those who are obviously not thinking
straight. The only real problem is that those people do not realize that
their point of view often doesn't make any sense or is far from
practicable. Sometimes we've been known to use the "clue by four" to knock
some sense into their heads, or as one has described the real purpose of
this newsgroup is to "gang-bang the cripples".
jim menning
Bertha
something like:
> xxxx I do have a serious site about seafishing and have done a few in my
> time, but really with todays software, if you can write a letter in word,
> you can design a site
Oh dear lord no. (Makes the sign of the cross.) I tried once turning a
Word document into a web page; it consisted solely of a six-cell table and
Word made it into almost a hundred lines of HTML code. I scrapped the
abomination and did it manually in under 20.
Anyone can put up a web site, but there's more to good design than just
slapping something up on the web. That's why good web designers can get
paid to do it.
-Bertha
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Pete
>
> "Pete" <m...@eslayer.dotcodot.uk> wrote in message
> news:vQ5Zc.272$qn5...@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>
> >
> > A whinger in the UK is someone who irritates everyone else by
constantly
> > moaning/griping - a pratt is less complimentive, it's someone who is a
> fool
> > ( incidently, pratt had been removed from the news ticker)
> >
>
> Thanks for supplying the definitions. And thanks for the little smiley
> face!
> However I think if you stick around here for any length of time, you'll
see
> you've named me wrongly. There are some on this group that do nothing but
> constantly gripe about eBay or Paypal, but yet want the benefits of using
> them. They are the true "whingers". (I wonder if it isn't the same as
the
> term "whiner", used for those who do nothing but "whine". Any chance that
> "g" is silent?) My purpose here is to pass some time, and help others
when
> I can.
phrases whining and whinging ( pronounced win-ging) guess we must come
across it a lot over here !
> Any way, hang around here for a while, maybe you too can be of some help
to
> others. I think you'll find our group effectively deals with eBay and
> Paypal problems by trying to give solutions to those who need them, while
> at the same time having fun by teasing those who are obviously not
thinking
> straight. The only real problem is that those people do not realize that
> their point of view often doesn't make any sense or is far from
> practicable. Sometimes we've been known to use the "clue by four" to
knock
> some sense into their heads, or as one has described the real purpose of
> this newsgroup is to "gang-bang the cripples".
I'm up for a laugh, as on our 'serious' website, the forum part of it, is
known for it's Liverpool humour which, to some first time visitors can be
offputting to say the least.
Pete
"Bertha" <ber...@yetta.net> wrote in message
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> Oh dear lord no. (Makes the sign of the cross.) I tried once turning a
> Word document into a web page; it consisted solely of a six-cell table and
> Word made it into almost a hundred lines of HTML code. I scrapped the
> abomination and did it manually in under 20.
>
> Anyone can put up a web site, but there's more to good design than just
> slapping something up on the web. That's why good web designers can get
> paid to do it.
Oh so true! but even Microsofts front page is an excellent tool for
beginners and many professional sites are still made with this software, but
this is not a web design forum is it?
Don Lancaster
>
> "Pete" <m...@eslayer.dotcodot.uk> wrote in message
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>
> >
> > A whinger in the UK is someone who irritates everyone else by constantly
> > moaning/griping - a pratt is less complimentive, it's someone who is a
> fool
>
We have them in the US too.
There's two types: right whingers and wrong whingers.
Pfeister
What is a "Blag item"?
Also, You had better hope that somebody from ebay doesn't go to your site,
because if they do, I don't think they're going to be too happy about their
logo being used on their site. Good Luck.
Pete
"Pfeister" <rackpf...@alltelpants.net> wrote in message
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box and is misleading buyers thinking it is a phone or other expensive item.
Ebay should be happy I have their logo on the site....It links to them! If
they don't like it, thay can ask me to remove it and I will. Only time will
tell, but as it's a one page site as of today, I don't think they will be
too interested just yet! ;)
Pete
Bertha
something like:
> Oh so true! but even Microsofts front page is an excellent tool for
> beginners and many professional sites are still made with this software, but
> this is not a web design forum is it?
Well, if we really wanted to stretch a point, there is some HTML coding
involved in putting up an ebay auction... and sometimes folks here will
post the ones that made a really garish, flashy, annoying job of it. You
know, the ones where you open up the auction page and scream, "MY EYES!!"
-Bertha
--
Gotta run, the cat's caught in the printer.
TerryNC
"Teknical" <tekn...@nospamrogers.com> wrote in message
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> I'm really pissed about this guy.. argh... I need to vent :) Here's the
> story...
>
> Guy buys an widget from me at the end of July ($120 sale, vintage
electronic
> item, about 20 years old). The auction listed the item as being in
> functional condition , because.... it worked. I tested it myself, and also
> had a minor repair professionally done prior to sale, and it was given a
> good chek-over when it was getting repaired. The repair shop even
commented
> on the excellent condition of it... The item was also sold as-is however,
> because it is 20 years old, and it was clearly marked as an "as-is" sale,
in
> a normal font, no trickery with tiny fonts or legal-ese, or anything like
> that.
>
> He paid for the item on Aug 9th, (money order), I shipped it out to him
the
> same day, it got to his place on the 12th according to the tracking info.
On
> the 20th, he gives me a positive feedback, saying he's more then happy
with
> the item (this was 8 days after it arrived), I respond with a positive
> feedback, saying he made prompt payment, good communication, etc...
>
> On the 27th (15 days after he received the item), he emails me and tells
me
> the widget isn't working properly, and he's taken it in to a repair shop.
> They've told him it needs $160 worth of repairs for a worn component. (a
> beta vcr "head")
>
> I emailed him back, and explained that I was perplexed that this problem
has
> arised, as I'd tested the item myself, and found it to be working fine,
and
> also had it professionally serviced prior to sale, and I couldn't
understand
> how the head could have suddenly become worn in the span of less then a
> month. (He tells me that it's impossible to see anything on the screen,
but
> there was no issue when it was here...) I explained the item was sold
as-is,
> however if he sends me a copy of the invoice, I'd take it to the shop
where
> I had the widget refurbished, and ask them for any suggestions, and try to
> come to an amicable agreement.
>
> He emailed me again, saying that I had a "legal responsibility", and was
> "legally liable" to either fix his widget or refund all of his money
> (including shipping), or he'd go to eBay or Squaretrade. I'm still trying
> to be helpfull at this point, but this email really rubbed me the wrong
way.
> I explained clearly that the widget was sold as-is, and was functioning
when
> sold, and must have been functioning for at least some period of time
after
> he got it, because he left positive feedback explaining how happy he was
> with it 8 days after receiving the item. I again offered to show the
invoice
> to the shop where I had the item refurbished for suggestions. I also
> explained that I'd be more then happy to allow squaretrade to mediate the
> issue.
>
> He emailed me back with this "No further communication is necessary as it
is
> a waste of my time and yours. I will file complaints with both Ebay and
> Square Trade. In my view your actions are fraudulent and I will proceed
> accordingly."
>
>
> I don't care about him complaining to eBay or squaretrade, I don't feel
I've
> done anything wrong, and I've tried to be helpfull with this guy; in fact
if
> he'd had a different attitude, I'd have offered a discount of some sort at
> the very least, or send him a replacement part if I could source one at a
> reasonable price, regardless of the fact the auction was as-is, and it's
> been in his house for half a month. I don't want anyone to get burned on a
> buy, but I also don't know what this guy has done to the widget in the
half
> month he's had it. What *really* pisses me off is this guy saying my
> actions are fraudulent.
>
>
> Sigh... What to do, What to do....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Lumpy
Lumpy
> > A whinger in the UK is someone who irritates everyone
> > else by constantly moaning/griping - a pratt is less
> > complimentive, it's someone who is a fool
Don wrote:
> We have them in the US too.
> There's two types: right whingers and wrong whingers.
And hog washers.
And bannana straighteners.
TyMeDwn1st
>B&B ENTERPRISES BIRTH CONTROL PILL
>Directions: Female should place pill on inside of right knee and hold in
>place with left knee applying steady pressure. This method of birth
>control provides guaranteed results with no side effects.
I think you're just terrific, Bertha; really, I do. But after reading the
above sig file, I sorta think you're probably less imaginative than I'd
thought.
:::ducking:::
--
Ty
Who is mostly just
a slightly skewed
Donna Reed
RipCurl
woohoo. another lible site and copyright infringement site
any bets on how long it'll stay up?
Bertha
muttered something like:
>>B&B ENTERPRISES BIRTH CONTROL PILL
>>Directions: Female should place pill on inside of right knee and hold in
>>place with left knee applying steady pressure. This method of birth
>>control provides guaranteed results with no side effects.
>
> I think you're just terrific, Bertha; really, I do. But after reading the
> above sig file, I sorta think you're probably less imaginative than I'd
> thought.
Actually, that particular sig file isn't original to me--it was quoted
directly from the package. (I can't remember where I got it, or where it
is now...)
-Bertha
--
My cow died, so I don't need your bull!
Randy MacKenna
> I'm really pissed about this guy.. argh... I need to vent :) Here's the
> story...
>
> Guy buys an widget from me at the end of July ($120 sale, vintage electronic
> item, about 20 years old). The auction listed the item as being in
> functional condition , because.... it worked. I tested it myself, and also
> had a minor repair professionally done prior to sale, and it was given a
> good chek-over when it was getting repaired. The repair shop even commented
> on the excellent condition of it... The item was also sold as-is however,
> because it is 20 years old, and it was clearly marked as an "as-is" sale, in
> a normal font, no trickery with tiny fonts or legal-ese, or anything like
> that.
>
<snip>
You should immediately send him back a full refund, including all of
his costs (including $50 per hour for his time it took to write emails
to you, to bring the unit in for repair, and general time spent
worrying about his purchase). So, you probably owe him about $850.
You should also address him as Your Majesty, and kneel with your face
parallel to the floor when you write emails to him, or even think
about him. Your firstborn should be sent to work as a house servant
for him for a minimum period of 12 years. Starting now, you should
send 50% of your income to him. Also, to show that you are sincere,
you should break something of your own, just so you know how it feels
to have something you thought was working, but then isn't anymore.
One month out of the year should be designated as "HRH Beta VCR Buyer"
month in your household. For that month, you should not work, partake
in any form of entertainment, or read any books. Eat light meals.
Fasting is even better. Talk in hushed tones, and don't make direct
eye contact with anyone.
After 12 years of this has passed, you should arrange an interview
with him (use a trusted intermediary, since you shouldn't communicate
verbally directly to him). Once granted, your audience with him
should not include any conversation. Don't make eye contact, and
enter and exit the room without turning your back toward him. Look at
his left hand, if he leaves it still, then that means he is happy with
the outcome of this matter. If he raises his hand (even a quarter
inch off the armrest of his throne), then that indicates displeasure.
At this point, the only honorable thing for you to do would be to take
your own life.
I know this stinks, but you sold an old Beta machine to someone and
now they aren't 100% happy. What else did you expect?
-Randy
Lumpy
> > > B&B ENTERPRISES BIRTH CONTROL PILL
> > > Directions: Female should place pill on inside of right
> > > knee and hold in place with left knee applying steady
> > > pressure. This method of birth control provides
> > > guaranteed results with no side effects.
Ty:
> > I think you're just terrific, Bertha; really, I do. But
> > after reading the above sig file, I sorta think you're
> > probably less imaginative than I'd thought.
Bertha:
> Actually, that particular sig file isn't original to me--it
> was quoted directly from the package. (I can't remember
> where I got it, or where it is now...)
A million years ago Mort Sahl joked:
"You know, scientists have discovered that aspirin
can prevent pregnancy. Just hold one tablet
between your knees."
He may have stolen the idea from someone else.
But it's probably unlikely that the joke topic
was aired on TV, radio or recordings prior to
him. Birth control was not exactly an openly
discussed topic in the 50's and earlier.
Lumpy
--
In Your Ears for 40 Years
http://www.lumpymusic.com
Jim Menning
I saw the same instructions, only with "pill" replaced by "token" on an old
bawdy-house token a coin dealer was selling several years ago.
jim menning
Pete
> Earlier this morning I noticed the link to someone else's "negative
> feedback tracker" on Pete's site was gone.
>
> Now the eslayer site is gone altogether!
>
> jim menning
Mmmm news to me I just logged in to change some bits and it's working fine
here, however, I do beleive there was a problem around 11am (GMT) but hey!
thats what makes it all fun ;)
Pete
Jim Menning
"Jim Menning" <jmSePn...@SnPeAwM.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> news:10jasj0...@news.supernews.com...
> feedback tracker" on Pete's site was gone.
>
> Now the eslayer site is gone altogether!
>
In the last hour neither Netscape or IE would pull up his site for me, now
it's back. Maybe server issues, on my end or his?
Also the negative tracker is again working, I may have tried accessing that
while the server was having difficulties.
All appears normal there again, in fact, they even have a thread started
now!
jim menning
Jim Menning
Back now, looking good!
jim menning
TyMeDwn1st
Not surprising, since Enovid, the very first oral contraceptive, wasn't
introduced till 1960.
The "between the knees" joke is really, really old, and we've all heard it for
years.
That wasn't my point.
I was just gently ribbing Bertha about the fact that keeping one's knees
together doesn't really do much at all -- unless the only sexual position one
ever uses is the <cough><cough> missionary position.
Sorry my attempted humor missed the mark.
LPV
> I was just gently ribbing Bertha about the fact that keeping one's knees
> together doesn't really do much at all -- unless the only sexual position
one
> ever uses is the <cough><cough> missionary position.
There are others?!?!?! Damn, I *have* to get out more...maybe even buy a
book or something.
Loren
Don Lancaster
> There are others?!?!?! Damn, I *have* to get out more...maybe even buy a
> book or something.
>
> Loren
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