using the small flat rate USPS box.....not supported by paypal
howard
Scenario:
An auction is paid through paypal (aren't they all) to a verified address
and I ship through USPS using the small flat rate box as stated in the
auction, because PAYPAL only supports (default shipping) for the medium flat
rate box I could not use their site for the shipping label and payment.
The item gets lost or for whatever reason does get delivered, will paypal
(remember the item was paid that way ) cover the loss with proof of
shipping?
h
R. Totale
If you can prove the item was delivered (because you give them the
USPS Delivery Confirmation number you bought which they look up
online, or the Signature Confirmation for an item over $250) they will
cover it. If you can't they won't. Just like they tell you in the help
files on their site, and in the terms you agreed to when you decided
to use their service to receive payments. You read those, of course.
Whether or not their optional online postage vending service supports
any particular shipping method is not relevant in any way.
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PeterD
<fishfeeder@gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>I could not find an answer to my question on their site.
>Scenario:
>An auction is paid through paypal (aren't they all) to a verified address
>and I ship through USPS using the small flat rate box as stated in the
>auction, because PAYPAL only supports (default shipping) for the medium flat
>rate box I could not use their site for the shipping label and payment.
Yes you can, use the flat rate envlope option, which is the same
postage. We do this very frequently, never ever a problem. Local
postoffice says that it is OK as well. (BTW, PayPal told me that was
the acceptable option.)
>The item gets lost or for whatever reason does get delivered, will paypal
>(remember the item was paid that way ) cover the loss with proof of
>shipping?
How you ship is not a factor for an PayPal claim, just as long has you
have the documentation.
FrediFizzx
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Caveat: watch out for small flat rate box for cheap international
shipments. USPS does not track them as they told us.
R. Totale
<fredi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>USPS does not track them as
someone I talked to once, maybe at some local PO, who may or may not
have had their head up their butt at the time but most certainly
didn't have the slightest idea what they were talking about and had
never read any official USPS documentation stating this
>told us.
IFYPFY
Kris Baker
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Have you thought of entering the USPS delivery confirmation
information in the space that PayPal provides for it....then
marking "item shipped" in your My eBay?
Kris
Kris Baker
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> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:58:29 -0700, "FrediFizzx"
> <fredi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>USPS does not track them as
>
> someone I talked to once, maybe at some local PO, who may or may not
> have had their head up their butt at the time but most certainly
> didn't have the slightest idea what they were talking about and had
> never read any official USPS documentation stating this
>
>>told us.
>
> IFYPFY
Really. Of course, when "howard" gets a reasonable answer
or two, then his altered ego has to come along and bring up
a totally unrelated (and uninformed) comment.
Notice the following says "tracking number" --
Tracking number
9102785091401229471493
Shipping label printed on Oct-10-09
US Postal Service Media Mail
Shipping cost: $2.96
Delivered, Oct-19-09, 14:50 PM, SIMI VALLEY, CA, 93065
SORTING/PROCESS COMPLETE, Oct-19-09, 08:32 AM, SIMI VALLEY, CA, 93065
Enroute, Oct-16-09, 23:39 PM, BELL, CA, 90201
Enroute, Oct-14-09, 20:30 PM, DENVER, CO, 80217
Oh, lookie -- here's another one:
Tracking number
9101785091401219608374
Delivered, 2009-10-09, 09:06:00, WESTMORELAND, KS, 66549
Out for Delivery or Available at PO Box, 2009-10-09, 08:35:00, WESTMORELAND,
KS, 66549
Sorting Complete, 2009-10-09, 08:05:00, WESTMORELAND, KS, 66549
Arrival at Unit, 2009-10-09, 07:27:00, WESTMORELAND, KS, 66549
Processed through Sort Facility, 2009-10-08, 00:16:00, KANSAS CITY, KS,
66106
Processed through Sort Facility, 2009-10-06, 22:56:00, SALT LAKE CITY, UT,
84199
Electronic Shipping Info Received, 2009-10-05, 01:12:00, LAYTON, UT, 84040
So....what will it come up with next, to bitch about?
Kris
FrediFizzx
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The key word you all missed is "international". Got any of those for
small flat rate box?
R. Totale
I didn't miss it. No one who has ever read anything the USPS has to
say on the matter could possibly think that Priority Mail
International at =any= level, flat rate or not, is trackable. If you
believed someone who told you that it was without checking the
validity of such an obviously absurd statement for yourself, I'm sorry
you're such a fool.
Alex Clayton
I have never sold anything that had to be shipped out of the US, for just
this reason, I did not feel like taking the chance. I have had a couple
people ask, and even to Canada just told them sorry but no. Does PP offer
the same protection to the buyers if they are out of the US? If they do it
seems like it could be a can of worms with the really poor delivery in many
countries, and I have always been told that other countries do not offer the
same kind of credit card protection we have here in the US as far as being
able to do a charge back.
I have sent some stuff to the Philippines by Global Express, and IIRC it
showed tracking up to the point it was handed off to them and that was it.
The stuff did get there, but it took weeks.
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FrediFizzx
Label/Receipt Number: CV00 9105 992U S
Class: Priority Mail International Parcels
Service(s): International Parcels
Status: Delivered Abroad
Your item was delivered in SPAIN at 2:27 PM on October 21, 2009.
Detailed Results:
Delivered Abroad, October 21, 2009, 2:27 pm, SPAIN
Out of Foreign Customs, October 20, 2009, 3:27 pm, SPAIN
Into Foreign Customs, October 18, 2009, 3:51 pm, SPAIN
Arrived Abroad, October 18, 2009, 3:51 pm, SPAIN
International Dispatch, October 17, 2009, 12:31 am, ISC LOS ANGELES CA
(USPS)
Arrival
Electronic Shipping Info Received, October 14, 2009
I'm sorry you are so ignorant. Ignorance is curable; stupidity is
forever.
googler
> Yes you can, use the flat rate envlope option, which is the same
> postage. We do this very frequently, never ever a problem. Local
> postoffice says that it is OK as well. (BTW, PayPal told me that was
> the acceptable option.)
>
What PayPal thinks and tells you is not relevant. In fact, with their
history of getting shipping rates wrong, and software that gives
erroneous error messages (such as the infamous "PayPal is not
available" when there is a problem with the address), depending on
their advice is very risky.
Just because the postage is the same doesn't mean it is in the same
rate class. You're lucky your local post office accepts it; since it
is improperly labeled they do not have to. Common sense (it costs the
same) is not an defense at the USPS.
Why PayPal doesn't offer the small (and large) flat rate priority
boxes option is a mystery, but based on their history I suspect they
don't know how to do it, so they instead give out their usual bad
advice.
googler
>
> I have never sold anything that had to be shipped out of the US, for just
> this reason, I did not feel like taking the chance.
You might be hurting yourself here. I don't sell high dollar items,
but I often ship packages in the $75-$100 range. I have shipped
several thousand boxes around the world, and not a single one ever has
been lost or reported lost/damaged by a recipient. A lot of profit
there I wouldn't have had if I worried about international shipments.
Sure, I'll have a problem some day with one lost or a dishonest buyer,
and it will cost me some money (I'll probably refund rather than re-
ship), but overall I am way ahead.
(for the same reason you should never, ever buy USPS insurance)
R. Totale
I didn't say you could never get information on a foreign shipment by
entering the customs number online. I said that International (and for
that rate Domestic) Priority Mail packages are not trackable, and the
trackability of International Priority Mail packages is not a product
sold or a service guaranteed by the PO, as it is by Fedex or USPS
Global Express mail for example (for a lot more money of course).
You'd either have to be rather stupid or entirely ignorant of all of
the USPS's documentation and terms of service for their various
classes of mail not to know that, so I guess I have to agree with your
last sentence above.
R. Totale
<googler...@aol.com> wrote:
>You're lucky your local post office accepts it; since it
>is improperly labeled they do not have to.
It's not improperly labeled, the PP labels (made by Pitney-Bowes) just
say US Priority Mail. And if it really is the small flat box the rate
is the same as the small envelope, so it has the proper postage
attached. Why wouldn't a PO take it?
Lumpy
googler:
> > You're lucky your local post office accepts it; since it
> > is improperly labeled they do not have to.
RTot:
> It's not improperly labeled, the PP labels (made by Pitney-Bowes) just
> say US Priority Mail. And if it really is the small flat box the rate
> is the same as the small envelope, so it has the proper postage
> attached. Why wouldn't a PO take it?
I use the small flat rate boxes all the time.
Regardless of their weight, I choose "1 lb pkg, 6x10x2".
The FR box says "FLAT RATE". The postage embedded in the
label is the appropriate amount, $4.80.
Must be like affixing stamps.
The PACKAGE wants $4.80 ($4.95 discounted).
So print out $4.80 on your label.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Something Years
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PeterD
All the post office cares is that it has the proper postage attached.
Then if you are a googler troll, that doesn't matter! <g>
R. Totale
<lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
>The postage embedded in the
>label is the appropriate amount, $4.80.
$4.95 these days, Lump. That's propbably why you had to drop back to
reposado this year.
Kris Baker
<fredi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>The key word you all missed is "international". Got any of those for
>small flat rate box?
What does any of that have to do with eBay....or the
original post?
Why don't you toddle over to USPS.com and do your
research on customs forms, and what levels of international
service ARE trackable.
Keep tryin'
Kris
Lumpy
Lump:
> > The postage embedded in the
> > label is the appropriate amount, $4.80.
RTot:
> $4.95 these days, Lump. That's propbably why you had to drop back to
> reposado this year.
Don't know where you pay $4.95.
When I buy postage via PP or USPS online,
it's $4.80.
You losing 15c on every pkg?
Kris Baker
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:13:37 -0700, "Lumpy"
> <lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
>
>>The postage embedded in the
>>label is the appropriate amount, $4.80.
>
> $4.95 these days, Lump. That's propbably why you had to drop back to
> reposado this year.
He's right. The online discounted rate is $4.80 for one
pound Priority Mail to any US Zip Code.
Kris
Printed one out an hour ago
R. Totale
Hell, you're both right. I'm going back to Anejo now.
Kris Baker
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:55:57 -0700, "Kris Baker"
> <paralle...@ggmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"R. Totale" <slang...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:nsare5577utsnri3i...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:13:37 -0700, "Lumpy"
>>> <lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The postage embedded in the
>>>>label is the appropriate amount, $4.80.
>>>
>>> $4.95 these days, Lump. That's propbably why you had to drop back to
>>> reposado this year.
>>
>>He's right. The online discounted rate is $4.80 for one
>>pound Priority Mail to any US Zip Code.
>
> Hell, you're both right. I'm going back to Anejo now.
Oh, shut up and get in the back of the van ;)
Kris
Lumpy
> Oh, shut up and get in the back of the van ;)
But leave that Anejo up here with the door gunner.
FrediFizzx
Uh-huh, just like you didn't know about the discounted rate of $4.80 for
a $4.95 flat rate. You really need to cure your ignorance. From the
link at,
"Tracking
Priority Mail International provides Tracking service to major
destinations in Asia, Canada, and Europe. Tracking is not available for
shipments in flat-rate envelopes or small flat-rate boxes. Please
consult your local Post Office for additional details."
And it is not a "customs number" it is a tracking number.
Lumpy
> And it is not a "customs number" it is a tracking number.
I always opt for the "custom tracking number" option.
"Your tracking number is, eleven"
R. Totale
<fredi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Fred a few messages back:
> Caveat: watch out for small flat rate box for cheap international
> shipments. USPS does not track them as they told us.
Fred triumphantly quoting the Post Office:
>Tracking is not available for
>shipments in flat-rate envelopes or small flat-rate boxes.
Fred can't read. If Fred had another d on her name she'd be Frita.
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FrediFizzx
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:01:16 -0800, "FrediFizzx"
> <fredi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Fred a few messages back:
>
>> Caveat: watch out for small flat rate box for cheap international
>> don't track them]
>
> Fred triumphantly quoting the Post Office:
>
>>Tracking is not available for
>>shipments in flat-rate envelopes or small flat-rate boxes.
>
> Fred can't read. If Fred had another d on her name she'd be Frita.
LOL! Wonderful! You gloriously pile stupidity on top of your
ignorance. Looks like a lame flame attempt. Take it to alt.flame; they
got some pros over there that will put you to shame.
Alex Clayton
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You have to remember I am not any kind of regular seller. I buy a lot from
E-Bay, but my selling is the very occasional thing I no longer need,
upgrading to something better, or 1 or 2 times a year cleaning out the
"junk". When I a couple times had someone ask about out of country shipping
I just said no since at the time I had never done it and had no idea how, or
what was involved. Now the couple times I sent something to my Father in the
Philippines it was no big deal once I found out the forms I needed to fill
out.
As for USPS insurance I never buy it either way. When I buy stuff I figure
it is the sellers problem if I don't get the item. When I sell if it's not
much money I just send it. if it's worth more than I want to risk I buy the
Delivery confirmation. I did one time have a buyer claim they never got a
$10.00 item I had sent first class. I just used PP to send them their money
back.
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googler
>
> It's not improperly labeled, the PP labels (made by Pitney-Bowes) just
> say US Priority Mail. And if it really is the small flat box the rate
> is the same as the small envelope, so it has the proper postage
> attached. Why wouldn't a PO take it?
>
PeterD
And you point is? Repeat for the slow: the USPS does not care, as long
as the postage paid matches the postage due. Period.
googler
> And you point is? Repeat for the slow: the USPS does not care, as long
> as the postage paid matches the postage due. Period.
Repeat for the stationary: USPS regulations are crystal clear...a
class-specific postage label may not be used on an item in a class
other than that for which it is intended, no matter how much you wish
it were so. However, it appears that at many, if not most, USPS retail
counters, common sense prevails and if the postage paid is the correct
amount they accept the package. Ellipsis.
Kris Baker
USPS.com lets you print out the label.
I wish USPS would just assign "flat rate" to all of their boxes.
Kris
googler
> "googler" <googlergoog...@aol.com> wrote in message
Yes, the problems of PayPal don't exist on USPS, and the USPS site
does cover all possible classes (unlike PayPal who promised about a
year ago they would add them). They don't let you hide the postage
amount, though, and that is something many sellers would like.
PeterD
What part of 'flat rate class' is unclear?
PeterD
Again more misinformation. The USPS site does not have First Class
Package but PayPal does.
Ozark
Unfortunately when using the USPS website and any eBay owned
subsidiary you are dealing with two semi competent entities. I have to
bounce between the two sites to do my shipping but I get it done. It's
not the end of the world.
Ozark
Kris Baker
----------------------
No, USPS.com doesn't cover all classes of mail. Try printing
an international first class mail label.
Kris
googler
Yes, that's right. USPS Click-N-Ship® service has Priority and Express
mail, not First Class or Media as does PayPal.
Kris Baker
----------------------------------------
Shipping Assistant will print labels and customs forms for
*any* type of USPS domestic and international shipping...
which is handy when you need International First Class,
which without it, can be a dealbreaker on some purchases.
(I charge a $3 fee for going to the retail counter, which
since I'm already at the PO dropping off the prepaids,
is just fine for spending an extra 30 seconds at 9am.)
Kris