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Bob Shair

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Dec 14, 2005, 5:33:16 PM12/14/05
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Greetings eBay marketers!
I'm fairly new at this, and am now trying to sell artworks.
Any advice which you could give me would be welcome, and worth more
than it would cost you.

I have about 20 works to dispose of. I'd appreciate it if anyone
would look at the first one I've posted and tell me what I'm doing
right or wrong.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:31
&item=7375271553

Thanks in advance,
Bob Shair

LPV

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Dec 14, 2005, 5:58:42 PM12/14/05
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Bob Shair wrote:

> I'm fairly new at this, and am now trying to sell artworks.
> Any advice which you could give me would be welcome, and worth more
> than it would cost you.


Unfortunately for you, the only artwork that seems to sell on eBay is by
Thomas Kinkade (especially the prints with trees in them).

Loren


Kris Baker

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Dec 14, 2005, 6:10:27 PM12/14/05
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"Bob Shair" <rms...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns972CA86854B42Bo...@207.115.17.102...

> Greetings eBay marketers!
> I'm fairly new at this, and am now trying to sell artworks.
> Any advice which you could give me would be welcome, and worth more
> than it would cost you.
>
> I have about 20 works to dispose of. I'd appreciate it if anyone
> would look at the first one I've posted and tell me what I'm doing
> right or wrong.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7375271553

>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bob Shair

Newbie?
You've been on eBay since 1999 and have 59 feedbacks.

I wouldn't list more than one on eBay, because eBay's a thin art market.

Your title:
LEBADANG: "Aube Route" Sgnd/Num Embossed Etching

I don't know how many people will search for the abbreviation
"sgnd" or "num"...so you're wasting space there.

Use some interesting facts from the artist's bio in your
subject AND text:
http://www.picassomio.com/artist-portfolio/833/en/

Ledabang "Aube Route" French-Vietnamese (date) etching
(????)

Kris

Dhakala

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Dec 14, 2005, 6:34:20 PM12/14/05
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Well, now that you two bits of advice I'll give you two bits worth of
denigration: your art sucks and will never sell on eBay. ;-)

SteveB

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Dec 14, 2005, 7:06:36 PM12/14/05
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> Bob Shair wrote:
>
>> I'm fairly new at this, and am now trying to sell artworks.
>> Any advice which you could give me would be welcome, and worth more
>> than it would cost you.


IMHO, and from my own experience trying to sell some Dalis and Picassos for
a friend .......

another of those sell for a friend/make an enemy stories .........

the (alleged) artworks were deemed to be forgeries. Seems like there is a
lot of that on ebay.

Real collectors don't go to ebay to buy artwork. People who buy prints and
reproductions DO buy some things on ebay, but I believe the market is soft.

If it were me, I would want to inspect the item, AND have a licensed art
appraiser inspect it also.

If you're talking about inexpensive items, it's whatever the traffic will
bear, and what some clueless newbie will pay you.

Steve


Lumpy

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Dec 14, 2005, 8:01:56 PM12/14/05
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Bob Shair wrote:
> I have about 20 works to dispose of. I'd appreciate it if anyone
> would look at the first one I've posted and tell me what I'm doing
> right or wrong.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7375271553

Sikorsky on a vagina.
Sgnd/Num.


Craig


Bob Shair

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Dec 14, 2005, 10:22:14 PM12/14/05
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"Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote in
news:DD1of.3861$fO5...@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:

>
> "Bob Shair" <rms...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns972CA86854B42Bo...@207.115.17.102...
>> Greetings eBay marketers!
>> I'm fairly new at this, and am now trying to sell artworks.
>> Any advice which you could give me would be welcome, and worth more
>> than it would cost you.

>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7375271553


>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Bob Shair
>
> Newbie?
> You've been on eBay since 1999 and have 59 feedbacks.

True, I'm only new at the selling end.


> LEBADANG: "Aube Route" Sgnd/Num Embossed Etching
>
> I don't know how many people will search for the abbreviation
> "sgnd" or "num"...so you're wasting space there.
>
> Use some interesting facts from the artist's bio in your
> subject AND text:

> Kris

Thanks Kris,
This was helpful. I replaced "Sgnd/Num" with "signed original," which I
suspect people do search, and put a little bit of biography in.


SteveB

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Dec 14, 2005, 11:07:22 PM12/14/05
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"Bob Shair" <Brms...@yahoo.com> wrote

>
> Thanks Kris,
> This was helpful. I replaced "Sgnd/Num" with "signed original," which I
> suspect people do search, and put a little bit of biography in.
>
>

Have marked it Watch This Item. Will see how it goes. Good luck.

Steve


Tony Cooper

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Dec 14, 2005, 11:54:40 PM12/14/05
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On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:22:14 GMT, Bob Shair <Brms...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>This was helpful. I replaced "Sgnd/Num" with "signed original," which I
>suspect people do search, and put a little bit of biography in.

"Sgnd/Num" means a signed and numbered print. The print might be
26/250 meaning it's the 26th print of 250 prints made. This is done
when there is a limited number of prints made. The artist signed the
print.

If you changed that to "signed original", you changed the description
from a print to an original piece of art. You selling a print or an
original?

--


Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

R. Totale

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Dec 15, 2005, 10:28:13 AM12/15/05
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:33:16 GMT, Bob Shair <rms...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I have about 20 works to dispose of. I'd appreciate it if anyone
>would look at the first one I've posted and tell me what I'm doing
>right or wrong.

You wasted $2.35 by starting it at $100 with $200 BIN where it won't
sell rather then at $9.95 where it wouldn't sell either.


redleg

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Dec 15, 2005, 7:31:46 PM12/15/05
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Thats a painting of a vagina?

Hey, where can I get ''Dogs Playing Poker?"

Bob Shair

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Dec 16, 2005, 8:29:39 AM12/16/05
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Tony Cooper <tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:3it1q1tl4u12smh26...@4ax.com:

>
> If you changed that to "signed original", you changed the description
> from a print to an original piece of art. You selling a print or an
> original?

I used to have a pamphlet from the International Graphic Arts Society
titled "What is an original print?". IIRC it's a work of art which was

1) Designed as a print... not a reproduction of some other work.
2) Produced under the direct supervision of the artist.
3) Limited in edition size.

So that's what I mean when I call it an original print.

Bob Shair

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Dec 16, 2005, 8:33:57 AM12/16/05
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R. Totale <slang...@yahoo.com> wrote
> You wasted $2.35 by starting it at $100 with $200 BIN where it won't
> sell rather then at $9.95 where it wouldn't sell either.
>

Perhaps so, but I'm not willing to sell it for $9.95. Looking at item
number 7371249362 led me to believe this could be sold on eBay.

Don Lancaster

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Dec 16, 2005, 10:51:01 AM12/16/05
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So why would you use an intentionally confusing term?


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Tony Cooper

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Dec 16, 2005, 12:21:22 PM12/16/05
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On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:51:01 -0700, Don Lancaster <d...@tinaja.com>
wrote:

>Bob Shair wrote:
>> Tony Cooper <tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>> news:3it1q1tl4u12smh26...@4ax.com:
>>
>>
>>>If you changed that to "signed original", you changed the description
>>>from a print to an original piece of art. You selling a print or an
>>>original?
>>
>>
>> I used to have a pamphlet from the International Graphic Arts Society
>> titled "What is an original print?". IIRC it's a work of art which was
>>
>> 1) Designed as a print... not a reproduction of some other work.
>> 2) Produced under the direct supervision of the artist.
>> 3) Limited in edition size.
>>
>> So that's what I mean when I call it an original print.
>>
>>
>
>So why would you use an intentionally confusing term?

Another case of a person who is wrong, but refuses all suggestions to
correct his error because he doesn't want to be wrong.

The correct terminology should be "a limited edition print authorized
by the artist and signed by the artist". With this description, no
buyer will bid under the impression that he is bidding on oil on
canvas. But, that's too simple for the poster. Look for him to
appear later whining about negative feedback and a payment dispute.

Bob Shair

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Dec 16, 2005, 2:33:20 PM12/16/05
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Don Lancaster <d...@tinaja.com> wrote in news:40g639F1aibecU1
@individual.net:

>
> So why would you use an intentionally confusing term?
>

Well, I can't claim that it's not confusing, since you were confused, but
that's the standard term in the art world for this kind of work.

http://www.studio1617.com/prints.htm

I had no intention to confuse.

Pogonip

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Dec 16, 2005, 2:41:15 PM12/16/05
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A print? As in photographed and printed? A lithograph, etching,
woodcut, linocut, or other original graphic art, signed and numbered,
may be worth having. That is the only kind of "print" worth buying
unless you are just decorating or want to add to a reference library.
IMNSHO.
--
Joanne
stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth

Tony Cooper

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Dec 16, 2005, 5:58:39 PM12/16/05
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On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:41:15 -0800, Pogonip <nob...@nowhere.org>
wrote:

>Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:51:01 -0700, Don Lancaster <d...@tinaja.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Bob Shair wrote:
>>>
>>>>Tony Cooper <tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>>>>news:3it1q1tl4u12smh26...@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If you changed that to "signed original", you changed the description
>>>>
>>>>>from a print to an original piece of art. You selling a print or an
>>>>
>>>>>original?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I used to have a pamphlet from the International Graphic Arts Society
>>>>titled "What is an original print?". IIRC it's a work of art which was
>>>>
>>>>1) Designed as a print... not a reproduction of some other work.
>>>>2) Produced under the direct supervision of the artist.
>>>>3) Limited in edition size.
>>>>
>>>>So that's what I mean when I call it an original print.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>So why would you use an intentionally confusing term?
>>
>>
>> Another case of a person who is wrong, but refuses all suggestions to
>> correct his error because he doesn't want to be wrong.
>>
>> The correct terminology should be "a limited edition print authorized
>> by the artist and signed by the artist". With this description, no
>> buyer will bid under the impression that he is bidding on oil on
>> canvas. But, that's too simple for the poster. Look for him to
>> appear later whining about negative feedback and a payment dispute.
>>
>>
>>
>
>A print? As in photographed and printed?

There's no mention of a photograph. All photographs on paper are
prints, and there is no "original".

> A lithograph, etching,
>woodcut, linocut, or other original graphic art, signed and numbered,
>may be worth having. That is the only kind of "print" worth buying
>unless you are just decorating or want to add to a reference library.
>IMNSHO.

Keep going. You'll catch up.

Lumpy

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Dec 16, 2005, 6:11:50 PM12/16/05
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Tony Cooper wrote:
> Keep going. You'll catch up.

I want more beer! Dammit!


Craig


Don Lancaster

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Dec 16, 2005, 6:35:10 PM12/16/05
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Some day my prints will come.

Lumpy

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Dec 16, 2005, 6:52:05 PM12/16/05
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Don Lancaster wrote:
> Some day my prints will come.

The artist formerly known as prints.


Craig


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