THE HORRIBLE TRUTH OF 911
ignorant bastard
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A peer-reviewed scientific paper on the discovery of nano-thermites in
the dust of the World Trade Center has been published.
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Now, officially, we know for sure 911 WAS a government conspiracy.
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Of course, you undoubtedly haven't read -- or heard -- a word of this
CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY in the major media. Everyone -- and I mean
EVERYONE -- is afraid of exposing the truth.
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The presence of the highly explosive thermitic material is clear-cut
physical evidence that the administration of George W. Bush and Dick
Cheney planned and carried out the attack against their own citizens
on Sept. 11, 2001.
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And it also proves that the list of co-conspirators in the
premeditated mass murder would fill the nation's largest prison to
overflowing.
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It means, beyond the shadow of a doubt, the Twin Towers as well as
Building 7 all were brought down by controlled demolition.
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It also means that many, many tons of the explosive material had been
brought into the skyscrapers days or weeks, maybe months, before Sept.
11.
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The end result was the perpetration of a colossal government hoax that
"foreign terrorists" were responsible for 911, which then allowed
Bush, Cheney and their lackies to convince gutless, corrupt
politicians as well as unknowledgeable Americans to allow the unlawful
invasion of Afghanistan, then Iraq, and turn the entire Middle East to
horror and turmoil.
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EXPLOSIVES FOUND IN WTC DUST
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http://cipshare.com/NielsHarrit_org/
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http://vodpod.com/watch/1883072-nano-thermite-took-down-the-wtc
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THE BOMBSHELL CONCLUSION
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“Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust
From 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe”
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The scientific paper ends with this statement:
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“Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the
red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted
thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly
energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.”
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13049
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ANOTHER SOURCE
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html
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http://www.911blogger.com/node/20429
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http://www.911blogger.com/node/20609
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http://www.911blogger.com/node/19999
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Yet this startling bombshell news by independent scientific teams
concerning the documentation of the use of thermitic material to cause
the nuildings to collapse is certainly not NEW. Actually, these
revelations had been made months ago but the major media wouldn't
touch it with a 14-foot pole.
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That's why many of you are reading it here for the very first time.
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Thermite is a pyrotechnic composition of a metal powder and a metal
oxide which produces an aluminothermic reaction known as a thermite
reaction.
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"Thermitic material" is a trademark used for a welding and incendiary
mixture of fine aluminum powder with a metallic oxide, usually iron,
that when ignited yields an intense heat.
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The authors of the scientific paper are Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey
Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel
Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R Larsen.
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This is their conclusion:
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"We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we
have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World
Trade Center.
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"Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites,
is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked
similarities in all four samples.
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"One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about 10 minutes
after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a
fourth about a week later.
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"The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical
microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy
dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry
(DSC).
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"The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which
are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-
like sructures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone
demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present.
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"The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red
ial.
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When ignited in a DSC device, the chips exhibit large but narrow
exotherms occurring at approximately 430 degrees C, far below the
normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-
rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the
ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips.
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"The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic
material and highly energetic."
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INTERVIEWS WITH NIELS HARRIT, TOP INVESTIGATOR
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x73G2eMkBpw
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The scientific team's conclusion (once again):
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"Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the
red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active,
unreacted itic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a
highly
energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material."
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This means that tons upon tons upon tons of thermitic material had
been hauled into the South and North Tower, as well as WTC Building
7.
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It means the Bush administration, undoubtedly quarterbacked by Dick
Cheney (since Bush's IQ is well below 30), is gulity of the mass
murder of more than 3,000 persons on our own soil.
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It was done in order to open the door to the invasions of both
Afghanistan and Iraq which had led to the death of some 4,000 American
troops; the serious, debilitating injuries of perhaps four times that
many; and the murder of more than a million poor souls, including
children, in the Middle East.
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Phone your Senator or Congressman (woman) immediately and ask why, as
a reprentative of the PEOPLE, they are totalling ignoring the physical
evidence that the BUsh-Cheney administration was responsible for 911.
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Simply put, an overwhelming amount of physical evidence indicates that
former President Bush and VP Cheney are traitors and war criminals and
dozens upon dozens of others in the same horrific pot.
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Justice MUST be served. They should not be permitted to get away with
murder.
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Unfortunately, you'll be facing astronomical odds trying to speak to
your senator or congressperson by phone. The Las Vegas odds of letting
him or her have an earful over the phone is approximately 843,755,173
to 1.
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THE MONUMENTAL COVER-UP
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission_Report
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission
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http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=89
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http://www.911truth.org
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http://www.LooseChange911.com
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http://www.serendipity.li/wot/911_a_hoax.htm
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http://www.rudemacedon.ca/kaminski/kam-index.html
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http://webfairy.org
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Scott Forbes
http://69.28.73.17/thornarticles/powerdown.html
Rosalee Grable:
http://thewebfairy.com/911
Scott Loughrey
http://www.rense.com/general50/amy.htm
Alex Jones
http://www.prisonplanet.com/
Col. Donn de Grand Pre
http://www.warfolly.vzz.net/nohijackers.htm
Mike Ruppert:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/
Jared Israel:
http://www.tenc.net
Eric Hufschmid:
http://www.erichufschmid.net/
Andreas von Buelow
http://www.prisonplanet.com/jones_report.html
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDh_pvv1tUM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc
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http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/911/Conspiracy
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=N36mnRh2Hro
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jiDX6UQl2no&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw&feature=related
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http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=89&contentid=5211
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http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/9-11_conspiracy.html
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DAVID RAY GRIFFIN PUTS IT ALL IN A NUTSHELL
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJStSNaVHHI
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzGd0t8v-d4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSTip84eIfw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lMh3LkcNvc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q01bV8APzc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3Sc37zsW-g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS2rlAoKiy4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezIU6ZxYU3A&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/results?
http://www.911inplanesite.com/911synopsis.html
www.letsrollforums.com
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http://www.freepressinternational.com/911.html
http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/911/Conspiracy/Bush/
http://www.whale.to/b/911.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6529813972926262623
http://www.conspiracy911.com/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6529813972926262623
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzGd0t8v-d4
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< LEST WE FORGET . . .
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(Some of these URLs no longer work or are outdated.)
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Michael Meacher
http://truthout.org/docs_03/090703A.shtml
Thierry Meyssan
http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/05/23/29196.html
Dick Eastman
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
A.K. Dewdney
http://physics911.org/
Jim Hoffman
http://911research.wtc7.net/
Jeff King:
http://911review.org/Wiki/King,Jeff.shtml
Bill Manning: http://www.rense.com/general18/firefighter.htm
Jerry Russell
http://www.911-strike.com/
Ken Vardon:
http://www.apfn.org/
Peter Meyer:
http://www.serendipity.li/
Paul Thompson: http://www.unansweredquestions.org/timeline/
Mark Elsis
http://www.911timeline.net/
Carol Valentine:
http://www.public-action.com/
Ralph Omholt
http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/exp.htm
Jon Carlson
http://www.rense.com/general54/flight93crashwitnesses.htm
Gerard Holmgren
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/holmgren/holmgren2.htm
Woody Box
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=323
Michel Chossudovsky
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
Nico Haupt
http://ny911truth.org/articles/stop_coverup.htm
Michael Kane
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=387
Barbara Honegger
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=101&contentid=641
Phil Jayhan
http://www.letsroll911.org/
John Judge:
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/fake_opposition.htm
Daniel Hopsicker
http://www.madcowprod.com/
A.K. Dewdney
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/operation_pearl.htm
Riley von Kleist:
http://www.thepowermall.com/
Michael Elliott:
http://911review.org/
Jim Hoffman:
http://911review.com/
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Ed Conrad
http://www.edconrad.com
BradGuth
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> http://cipshare.com/NielsHarrit_org/
> <http://vodpod.com/watch/1883072-nano-thermite-took-down-the-wtc
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> THE BOMBSHELL CONCLUSION
> <
> “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust
> From 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe”
> <
> The scientific paper ends with this statement:
> <
> “Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the
> red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted
> thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly
> energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.”
> <http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13049
> <
> <http://whatreallyhappened.com/TheTruth11_files/slide0028_image029.jpg
> <http://www.progressivewritersbloc.com/DC/casket08.jpg
> <http://www.darkgovernment.com/images/soldiers-casket.jpg
> <http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0ejv1Q4dqj2Mc/610x.jpg
> <http://www.foxnews.com/images/162544/0_22_450_baby.jpg
> ===================================
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> THE MONUMENTAL COVER-UP
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> ==============================
> <http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=89
> <http://www.911truth.org
> <http://www.LooseChange911.com
> <http://www.serendipity.li/wot/911_a_hoax.htm
> <http://www.rudemacedon.ca/kaminski/kam-index.html
> <http://webfairy.org
> <
> Col. Donn de Grand Prehttp://www.warfolly.vzz.net/nohijackers.htm
> Mike Ruppert:http://www.fromthewilderness.com/
> Jared Israel:http://www.tenc.net
> Eric Hufschmid:http://www.erichufschmid.net/
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDh_pvv1tUM
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc
> <http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/911/Conspiracy
> <http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=N36mnRh2Hro
> <http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jiDX6UQl2no&feature=related
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw&feature=related
> <http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=89&contentid=5211
> <http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/9-11_conspiracy.html
> <
> DAVID RAY GRIFFIN PUTS IT ALL IN A NUTSHELL
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJStSNaVHHI
> < (See Parts 2 and 3)
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzGd0t8v-d4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSTip84eIfwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lMh3LkcNvchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q01bV8APzchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3Sc37zsW-g&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS2rlAoKiy4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezIU6ZxYU3A&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/results?http://www.911inplanesite.com/911synopsis.htmlwww.letsrollforums.com
> <
> < LEST WE FORGET . . .
> <
> (Some of these URLs no longer work or are outdated.)
> <
> Michael Meacherhttp://truthout.org/docs_03/090703A.shtml
> Thierry Meyssanhttp://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/05/23/29196.html
> Dick Eastmanhttp://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
> A.K. Dewdneyhttp://physics911.org/
> Jeff King:http://911review.org/Wiki/King,Jeff.shtml
> Bill Manning:http://www.rense.com/general18/firefighter.htm
> Ken Vardon:http://www.apfn.org/
> Peter Meyer:http://www.serendipity.li/
> Paul Thompson:http://www.unansweredquestions.org/timeline/
> Carol Valentine:http://www.public-action.com/
> Ralph Omholthttp://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/exp.htm
> Jon Carlsonhttp://www.rense.com/general54/flight93crashwitnesses.htm
> Gerard Holmgrenhttp://www.serendipity.li/wot/holmgren/holmgren2.htm
> Woody Boxhttp://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=323
> Michel Chossudovskyhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
> Nico Haupthttp://ny911truth.org/articles/stop_coverup.htm
> Michael Kanehttp://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=387
> Barbara Honeggerhttp://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=101&contentid=641
> John Judge:http://www.serendipity.li/wot/fake_opposition.htm
> Daniel Hopsickerhttp://www.madcowprod.com/
> Riley von Kleist:http://www.thepowermall.com/
> Michael Elliott:http://911review.org/
> Jim Hoffman:http://911review.com/
> <
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> Ed Conradhttp://www.edconrad.com
Besides the obvious insurance fraud and unexplained laws of physics to
go along with their need-to-know and nondisclosure policy that sucks
and blows, it could be worse, though I don't know how.
~ BG
Vince Morgan
"ignorant bastard" <ignorant_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9066e3ce-af51-489c...@u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
A peer reviewed paper? That's wonderfull!! As this is a physics forum, in
which so many regulars demand peer review, and give hell to those without
it, they will all be thrilled about this I'm sure.
Finaly those who claim on one hand total respect and support for the peer
review process, and on the other that there is nothing of interest in the
event of 9/11, will now have their day in the sun, or under the closest rock
they can find.
I'll be interested to read their courteous and thoughtfull comments on the
PAPER over the comming weeks and months. Errr, perhaps not.
The following months should be very entertaining indeed!!
Vince
BradGuth
wrote:
> "ignorant bastard" <ignorant_bastard...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Why didn't this peer reviewed investigative reporting transpire years
ago?
Obviously Kissinger, Bush, Cheney and even Alan Greenspan along with
their kosher approved SEC had other plans that included putting a
smile on every Rothschild and Zionist Nazi puss.
~ BG
Hagar
"ignorant bastard" <ignorant_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9066e3ce-af51-489c...@u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
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http://www.travisredding.com/bush-911-jetfuel-wtc-laff.jpg
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A peer-reviewed scientific paper on the discovery of nano-thermites in
the dust of the World Trade Center has been published.
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Now, officially, we know for sure 911 WAS a government conspiracy.
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Of course, you undoubtedly haven't read -- or heard -- a word of this
CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY in the major media. Everyone -- and I mean
EVERYONE -- is afraid of exposing the truth.
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Of course it is ... the Media was solidly on the side of Bush and Chaney
... bwahahahahahahhhh, ye whacko Loon ...
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The presence of the highly explosive thermitic material is clear-cut
physical evidence that the administration of George W. Bush and Dick
Cheney planned and carried out the attack against their own citizens
on Sept. 11, 2001.
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So, the 2 airliner that crashed into the WTC were a mere coincidence,
then, or did that evil GWB convince a bunch of Muzzie nutz to
commit hari-kari ???
Not to mention the Pentagon and the PA impact ... all GWB's
handiwork ... you are an ignorant bastard ...
BradGuth
> "ignorant bastard" <ignorant_bastard...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
So, you'd vote for no criminal or insurance fraud investigations?
I want you on my jury, because peer replicated objective evidence
against me doesn't count.
~ BG
Lumpy
> I want you on my jury...
Only if you give positive feedback first.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Something Years
www.LumpyMusic.com
Vince Morgan
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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~ BG
A few years back a strange comment, and an odd audience reaction to it,
stired some curiosity in one Dr. Steven Jones. Later, watching videos of
WTC 7 comming down over and over he, like so many others, was shocked at
what he saw.
He recieved a quantity of dust from the WTC. The same dust that was 4
inches deep throughout Manhattan that day. He dragged a magnet along the
side of the plastic bag and a considerable amount of material was attracted
to it. That material turned out to be tiny, primarily iron, spheres. There
was no chromium present within the iron. It was not structural steel, nor
ever had been. These were found to be spheres of previously reacted
thermite. There was also large quantities of unreacted thermitic material
within the sample/samples.
So, if not for a curious statement, examination of the video of WTC 7
collapsing, and then the discovery of the thermitic material, there would
never have been a paper, or two.
This particular paper has also been through peer review twice now I believe,
the second time by four PHDs and accepted both times.
Vince
BradGuth
wrote:
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
It stinks of something kosher that's rotting and satanic at the same
time. This wouldn't be the first executive false-flag black op, nor
the last. Our CIA, MI6 and Mossad must each be extremely proud of
their keeping those need-to-know lids on this one.
I have other questions and lingering suspicions that we'll have a grim
investigative outcome, that which needs to be told and published in
future public education textbooks (as required reading). GW Bush and
Dick Cheney among others may need to officially charged to some
complicity level of crimes against humanity.
~ BG
BradGuth
On Nov 22, 3:15 pm, ignorant bastard <ignorant_bastard...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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> ==================================
> <
> EXPLOSIVES FOUND IN WTC DUSThttp://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Niels+Harrit&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#
> <
> http://cipshare.com/NielsHarrit_org/
> <http://vodpod.com/watch/1883072-nano-thermite-took-down-the-wtc
> <
> THE BOMBSHELL CONCLUSION
> <
> “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust
> From 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe”
> <
> The scientific paper ends with this statement:
> <
> “Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the
> red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted
> thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly
> energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.”
> <http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13049
> <
> ANOTHER SOURCEhttp://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3ohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x73G2eMkBpw
> < SMOKING GUNShttp://www.911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm
> <http://whatreallyhappened.com/TheTruth11_files/slide0028_image029.jpg
> <http://www.progressivewritersbloc.com/DC/casket08.jpg
> <http://www.darkgovernment.com/images/soldiers-casket.jpg
> <http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0ejv1Q4dqj2Mc/610x.jpg
> <http://www.foxnews.com/images/162544/0_22_450_baby.jpg
> ===================================
> <
> THE MONUMENTAL COVER-UP
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission_Reporthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission
> <
> ==============================
> <http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=89
> <http://www.911truth.org
> <http://www.LooseChange911.com
> <http://www.serendipity.li/wot/911_a_hoax.htm
> <http://www.rudemacedon.ca/kaminski/kam-index.html
> <http://webfairy.org
> <
> Scott Forbeshttp://69.28.73.17/thornarticles/powerdown.html
> Rosalee Grable:http://thewebfairy.com/911
> Scott Loughreyhttp://www.rense.com/general50/amy.htm
> Alex Joneshttp://www.prisonplanet.com/
> Col. Donn de Grand Prehttp://www.warfolly.vzz.net/nohijackers.htm
> Mike Ruppert:http://www.fromthewilderness.com/
> Jared Israel:http://www.tenc.net
> Eric Hufschmid:http://www.erichufschmid.net/
> Andreas von Buelowhttp://www.prisonplanet.com/jones_report.html
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDh_pvv1tUM
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc
> <http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/911/Conspiracy
> <http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=N36mnRh2Hro
> <http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jiDX6UQl2no&feature=related
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw&feature=related
> <http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=89&contentid=5211
> <http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/9-11_conspiracy.html
> <
> DAVID RAY GRIFFIN PUTS IT ALL IN A NUTSHELL
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJStSNaVHHI
> < (See Parts 2 and 3)
> <
> < LEST WE FORGET . . .
> <
> (Some of these URLs no longer work or are outdated.)
> <
> Michael Meacherhttp://truthout.org/docs_03/090703A.shtml
> Thierry Meyssanhttp://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/05/23/29196.html
> Dick Eastmanhttp://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
> A.K. Dewdneyhttp://physics911.org/
> Jim Hoffmanhttp://911research.wtc7.net/
> Jeff King:http://911review.org/Wiki/King,Jeff.shtml
> Bill Manning:http://www.rense.com/general18/firefighter.htm
> Jerry Russellhttp://www.911-strike.com/
> Ken Vardon:http://www.apfn.org/
> Peter Meyer:http://www.serendipity.li/
> Paul Thompson:http://www.unansweredquestions.org/timeline/
> Mark Elsishttp://www.911timeline.net/
> Carol Valentine:http://www.public-action.com/
> Ralph Omholthttp://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/exp.htm
> Jon Carlsonhttp://www.rense.com/general54/flight93crashwitnesses.htm
> Gerard Holmgrenhttp://www.serendipity.li/wot/holmgren/holmgren2.htm
> Woody Boxhttp://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=323
> Michel Chossudovskyhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
> Nico Haupthttp://ny911truth.org/articles/stop_coverup.htm
> Michael Kanehttp://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=387
> Barbara Honeggerhttp://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=101&contentid=641
> Phil Jayhanhttp://www.letsroll911.org/
> John Judge:http://www.serendipity.li/wot/fake_opposition.htm
> Daniel Hopsickerhttp://www.madcowprod.com/
> A.K. Dewdneyhttp://www.serendipity.li/wot/operation_pearl.htm
> Riley von Kleist:http://www.thepowermall.com/
> Michael Elliott:http://911review.org/
> Jim Hoffman:http://911review.com/
> <
> ======================
> <
> Ed Conradhttp://www.edconrad.com
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9056
~ BG
Vince Morgan
think.
> I have other questions and lingering suspicions that we'll have a grim
> investigative outcome, that which needs to be told and published in
> future public education textbooks (as required reading). GW Bush and
> Dick Cheney among others may need to officially charged to some
> complicity level of crimes against humanity.
It's not over yet. They are very very busy presently on many other
projects that are even more sinister.
>
> ~ BG
As was recently pointed out by someone else, these groups are also
historical archives. The subject of this post is primarily that of a peer
reviewed paper written by a Dr of physics, and as such will be of great
interest in the near and perhaps not so near future.
Regards,
Vince
BradGuth
It needs to get published into those public education textbooks that
have to be revised in order to reflect the best available truths, as
well as given mainstream media attention so that it'll be less likely
to happen again.
It's not that future governments with all of their rich and powerful
special-interest groups and each of their faith-based puppet masters
are not going to try this kind of false-flag or NWO tactic of global
domination again and again, though it would be nice if it could be
nipped in the bud before all the collateral damage and cascade of
consequences sets in. As is, there's hardly anything standing in the
way of WW3, especially as fossil energy becomes more illusive and
spendy (6400% inflation within 64 years seems to be pushing it by just
a tad too much)
~ BG
Hagar
~ BG
***************************************
We don't need a jury for you, GuthBall ... you're certifiably insane ...
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Your typically Republican and otherwise Jewish form of obfuscation and
denial is noted.
~ BG
Lumpy
> It needs to get published into those public education textbooks that
> have to be revised in order to reflect the best available truths, as
> well as given mainstream media attention so that it'll be less likely
> to happen again.
Actually, an alt newsgroup about eBay should suffice.
Don Lancaster
>
> The presence of the highly explosive thermitic material....
Thermite is slow burning. Not in any manner explosive.
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Lumpy
> Thermite is slow burning. Not in any manner explosive.
That's the horrible truth.
Nightcrawler
"Don Lancaster" <d...@tinaja.com> wrote in message news:7n3nouF...@mid.individual.net...
> ignorant bastard wrote:
>>
>> The presence of the highly explosive thermitic material....
>
> Thermite is slow burning. Not in any manner explosive.
Let's see. You have a building that has an aluminum exterior, and plenty
of iron inside, and slam an airplane into it. The building subsequently suffers
from structural failure and collapses leaving a mixture of pulverized iron and
aluminum, among other things.
No, there is absolutely zero chance at all that Fe2O3 + 2Al might be found
in that pile of rubble.
BradGuth
It's custom made/mixed to order, everything from hand-warmers to
directional torch like explosive charges for fast cutting through
steel. However, for all we know there was also C4 utilized to bring
down WTC7.
~ BG
BradGuth
> "Don Lancaster" <d...@tinaja.com> wrote in messagenews:7n3nouF...@mid.individual.net...
WTC7 wasn't touched by any aircraft or any drop of jet fuel that burns
rich and thus relatively cool. WTC7 was a relatively hightech/robust
structure with multiple upgrades. (at the very least, I smell
insurance fraud)
~ BG
Ignoramus30106
There is plenty of oxygen to oxidize both, so yes, there is zero
chance to find thermite in that rubble.
i
BradGuth
30106.invalid> wrote:
> On 2009-11-25, Nightcrawler <Dirtyde...@dirtcheap.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Don Lancaster" <d...@tinaja.com> wrote in messagenews:7n3nouF...@mid.individual.net...
> >> ignorant bastard wrote:
>
> >>> The presence of the highly explosive thermitic material....
>
> >> Thermite is slow burning. Not in any manner explosive.
>
> > Let's see. You have a building that has an aluminum exterior, and plenty
> > of iron inside, and slam an airplane into it. The building subsequently suffers
> > from structural failure and collapses leaving a mixture of pulverized iron and
> > aluminum, among other things.
>
> > No, there is absolutely zero chance at all that Fe2O3 + 2Al might be found
> > in that pile of rubble.
>
> There is plenty of oxygen to oxidize both, so yes, there is zero
> chance to find thermite in that rubble.
>
> i
Your anti-forensics doesn't apply here. Everything we do or touch
leaves trace. Even shock waves leave trace.
However, it's entirely possible that the entire lot of WTC structures
were of the world's worse possible design and otherwise badly upgraded
and/or poorly maintained to begin with.
~ BG
Vince Morgan
The rate at which thirmite reacts can be engineered quite easily. The
smaller the reactive components eg(oxide, aluminum) the faster the reaction.
The addition of potassium permanganate also speeds this up I beleive, and
was found, as was sulfur.
The 'peer reviewed' paper has information on various thermitic mixtures, and
it is covered very very thoroughly I beleive.
Perhaps a read of the paper would be a good place to start.
Regards,
Vince
Vince Morgan
"Ignoramus30106" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.30106.invalid> wrote in message
news:x7adnS8OvMjxWpHW...@giganews.com...
Well, that is not correct at all. I would imagine that the papers referees
might have given that a bit of thought wouldn't you think?
Read the paper,
Vince
Vince Morgan
"Nightcrawler" <Dirty...@dirtcheap.net> wrote in message
news:z6udnVlbTt5FIJHW...@giganews.com...
material wouldn't it? Yes, it would. No it didn't.
Not much point speculating on why at least 7 referees, with at least 4
PHD's amongst them didn't give that a thought or too. Of course they did.
Read the paper,
Vince
Vince Morgan
"Ignoramus30106" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.30106.invalid> wrote in message
news:x7adnS8OvMjxWpHW...@giganews.com...
And since when does aluminum oxidize on contact with,,,, err, contact
with,,, eerr what exactly? Air?
No, I'm sure I'm not the only reader here that would like some description
of this (apparently to you) obvious conclusion?
I know I'll never fly in an airplane again if aluminum does as you suggest.
Care to elaborate?
Vince
Androcles
"Vince Morgan" <vin...@TAKEOUToptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:4b0cfbe5$0$30507$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
Yes. When British frigates were bombed during the Falklands war
it was soon found that the aluminium superstructure above the steel
hull burnt fiercely.
Heck, I'm no conspiracy crank, but aluminium does burn in air if
you get it hot enough.
Ignoramus20054
>
> "Ignoramus30106" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.30106.invalid> wrote in message
> news:x7adnS8OvMjxWpHW...@giganews.com...
>> On 2009-11-25, Nightcrawler <Dirty...@dirtcheap.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > "Don Lancaster" <d...@tinaja.com> wrote in message
> news:7n3nouF...@mid.individual.net...
>> >> ignorant bastard wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> The presence of the highly explosive thermitic material....
>> >>
>> >> Thermite is slow burning. Not in any manner explosive.
>> >
>> > Let's see. You have a building that has an aluminum exterior, and
> plenty
>> > of iron inside, and slam an airplane into it. The building subsequently
> suffers
>> > from structural failure and collapses leaving a mixture of pulverized
> iron and
>> > aluminum, among other things.
>> >
>> > No, there is absolutely zero chance at all that Fe2O3 + 2Al might be
> found
>> > in that pile of rubble.
>>
>> There is plenty of oxygen to oxidize both, so yes, there is zero
>> chance to find thermite in that rubble.
>>
>> i
> Oxidise both? How does ferric oxide oxidize exactly?
Thermite is a mixture of oxidized iron and non-oxidized aluminum
powder.
In a fire that is hot enough to melt aluminum, it will oxidize as
well, so there wil be no thermite.
> And since when does aluminum oxidize on contact with,,,, err, contact
> with,,, eerr what exactly? Air?
In a hot fire, aluminum will melt and will oxidize just fine.
Lumpy
> Thermite is a mixture of oxidized iron and non-oxidized aluminum
> powder.
If I get rust on my aluminum foil hat,
will my head explode?
BradGuth
> "Vince Morgan" <vin...@TAKEOUToptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:4b0cfbe5$0$30507$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>
>
>
>
> >news:x7adnS8OvMjxWpHW...@giganews.com...
There wasn't that kind of heat available, at least not from raw jet or
auxiliary diesel fuel, and WTC7's aluminum was primarily on the
exterior that was never on fire.
However, it's entirely possible that the entire set of those WTC
structures were simply of the world's worse possible design, as well
as overloaded and otherwise badly upgraded and/or having been poorly
maintained to begin with. We also know as a matter of absolute fact
that each of their fire suppression systems were either dysfunctional
or bogus to begin with.
Besides thermite, there's also clean burning forms of solid rocket
fuel that could have been utilized.
~ BG
BradGuth
> >news:x7adnS8OvMjxWpHW...@giganews.com...
So what? Melted aluminum is simply not what brought those structures
down, much less WTC7 so precisely within its footprint.
We're talking about either a controlled demolition or the world's
worst engineered structures that were super-critical to begin with.
~ BG
BradGuth
wrote:
> "Nightcrawler" <Dirtyde...@dirtcheap.net> wrote in message
Most of these topic contributors are paid spooks and moles, many
others are merely rogue brown-nosed clowns that are usually also
public funded because they've worked for or within city/state/federal
government most of their lives. For some odd reason, the majority of
those which financially benefited the most were Jewish, and otherwise
the least of which having died on 9/11 (their timely absence and/or
dumb luck that only applied to Jews is still unaccounted for).
~ BG
Lumpy
> Most of these topic contributors are paid spooks and moles, many
> others are merely rogue brown-nosed clowns that are usually also
> public funded because they've worked for or within city/state/federal
Does this count?
Ignoramus20054
> Ignoramus20054 wrote:
>> Thermite is a mixture of oxidized iron and non-oxidized aluminum
>> powder.
>
> If I get rust on my aluminum foil hat, will my head explode?
You need to get rust and foil inside your head, then it will explode.
i
Don Lancaster
> WTC7 was a relatively hightech/robust
> structure with multiple upgrades.
Huh? The fact it was built by NY construction unions made it remarkable
that it even stood up by itself in a mild wind.
BradGuth
True, those structures were essentially crap, so you'd agree that it
was all pretty much an insurance fraud in addition to the political
ruse.
~ BG
clams_casino
> BradGuth wrote:
>
>> WTC7 was a relatively hightech/robust
>> structure with multiple upgrades.
>
>
> Huh? The fact it was built by NY construction unions made it
> remarkable that it even stood up by itself in a mild wind.
>
and built according to specifications which were exempt from numerous
specifications normally required on non government buildings, including
NYC fire codes (the original towers were built with no sprinkler
systems)..
BradGuth
wrote:
As well as some floors had been seriously overloaded (all it takes is
for one floor to let go, and it's serious pancake time).
btw; how many hundred tonnes of live steam and related steam
infrastructure were in each of those buildings?
~ BG
Lumpy
> btw; how many hundred tonnes of live steam and related steam
> infrastructure were in each of those buildings?
Eleven.
BradGuth
1100 tonnes sounds about right. Does that include all the steam
related piping and accessories, or is that just the wet steam?
~ BG
Lumpy
> 1100 tonnes sounds about right. Does that include all the steam
> related piping and accessories, or is that just the wet steam?
The tower worked when I last used it. But I have no
way of testing it. Selling "as is".
clams_casino
more like someone's wet dream.
Don Lancaster
Virtually ALL aluminum has rust on it!
dh...@shawcross.ca
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Why is it that a very capable and highly regarded construction engineer was
able to produce, within a short time after 9-11 , a logical mechanism for
what happened- based on knowledge of the factors involved? This was open to
criticism throughout the world and apparently accepted by those who have the
knowhow required.
It seems that when there is a possibility of a conspiracy in some peoples
minds, the less one knows the more one is believed and to hell with any
facts.
Ignorance is bliss!
--
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Don Kelly
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PeterD
Only if I push this button over here...
See, I'll show you:
<boom>
Oops, sorry. My bad.
PeterD
wrote:
>Lumpy wrote:
>> Ignoramus20054 wrote:
>>> Thermite is a mixture of oxidized iron and non-oxidized aluminum
>>> powder.
>>
>> If I get rust on my aluminum foil hat,
>> will my head explode?
>>
>>
>> Lumpy
>>
>> In Your Ears for 40 Something Years
>> www.LumpyMusic.com
>>
>>
>
>
>Virtually ALL aluminum has rust on it!
From the moment exposed to oxygen...
Vince Morgan
<dh...@shawcross.ca> wrote in message
news:24kPm.33025$cd7....@newsfe04.iad...
I would agree Don, ignorance is bliss!!
So, you have of course read the paper haven't you? I mean, without doing so
you would appear to astute observers to be seeking bliss for 'yourself'
given the above. Some might even suggest hypocrisy. One finger pointing
out is three pointing at yourself they say.
If you haven't read the paper then you are disregarding the work of over
eight, not one Don, but eigth very competent scientists.
A 'peer reviewed' paper Don, with all PHD referees (by request of the
authors I might add).
If you haven't read the paper yet, and clearly you have not, you have
little, if any, credibility on the matter. I think your favourite term for
what you have just posted is "hand waving". Your comments will gain some
credibility, and you will be further educated, if you actualy "read" the
papaer Don.
Regards,
Vince
Vince Morgan
Perhaps this is addressed in the paper Don. It's been in the making for
over three years.
But, if you think that what you just wrote is good reason to ignore a very
thoroughly researched scientific paper, then I might suggest the paper is
good reason to ignore your one "highly regarded construction engineer ".
Was it peer reviewed? A link to it or something perhaps? Or is this more
"hand waving" ?
I would suggest that "apparently accepted " is a personal appraisal, and
not a scientific one. But what would I know.
Regards,
Vince
Kris Baker
> Most of these topic contributors are paid spooks and moles, many
> others are merely rogue brown-nosed clowns that are usually also
> public funded because they've worked for or within city/state/federal
> government most of their lives...
Why do you hate the military? Obviously, you didn't
serve, so SFTU.
Kris
Androcles
Vince Morgan
"Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics_q> wrote in message
news:JO8Pm.93745$Gz1....@newsfe25.ams2...
You are absolutely correct Andro. Aluminium does burn, if you get it hot
enough.
I would not dispute that.
Regards,
Vince
HVAC
"clams_casino" <PeterG...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:eXiPm.47189$Wd1....@newsfe15.iad...
>>
>>1100 tonnes sounds about right. Does that include all the steam
>>related piping and accessories, or is that just the wet steam?
>>
>> ~ BG
>>
> more like someone's wet dream.
BWAHAhahahahahaah! Good one!
BradGuth
wrote:
> "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics_q> wrote in message
>
> news:JO8Pm.93745$Gz1....@newsfe25.ams2...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Vince Morgan" <vin...@TAKEOUToptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> >news:4b0cfbe5$0$30507$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> > >news:x7adnS8OvMjxWpHW...@giganews.com...
The shuttle SRBs burn lots of aluminum to get off the ground.
However, the only WTC aluminum was melted.
~ BG
BradGuth
wrote:
> <d...@shawcross.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:24kPm.33025$cd7....@newsfe04.iad...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Actually, it's more like puppet hand wavings plus a few parrot replies
that their mainstream status quo masters are insisting they must do,
or else. The same can be said of TWA flight 800, whereas the brown-
nosed puppets and those same parrots get to be in charge of the
evidence, and they also get to obfuscate and use conditional physics
all they like.
~ BG
Nightcrawler
flight 800?
One would think that you of all people would appreciate their efforts at
coming up with total fantasies.
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:f703a1c7-e97f-4ec2...@u1g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Motive, means and opportunity. In other words; follow the money.
For any one of a dozen reasons, 9/11 should never have happened, much
less having turned out so multi-trillion dollar spendy and ultimate
pricey in terms of humans lost and resources wasted.
As I said, at the absolute very least, I smell insurance fraud.
Those normally passive Muslims that individually do not consume 1% the
global resources that you and most others represent, didn't just get
up one glorious day and toss that dart at a global map in order to
figure out what target outside of tribal feuds they should do next.
As requested and offered by "Vince Morgan", read that seriously
objective report. WTC7 should never have been more than minor
collateral damaged, although its unprecedented structural demise is
telling us something about those primary towers that now seem as
though rather precarious/borderline and hardly failsafe as is, as well
as lacking many safety standards of their era.
~ BG
Vince Morgan
"Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics_q> wrote in message
news:JO8Pm.93745$Gz1....@newsfe25.ams2...
>
> "Vince Morgan" <vin...@TAKEOUToptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4b0cfbe5$0$30507$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >
> > news:x7adnS8OvMjxWpHW...@giganews.com...
> >> On 2009-11-25, Nightcrawler <Dirty...@dirtcheap.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Don Lancaster" <d...@tinaja.com> wrote in message
> > news:7n3nouF...@mid.individual.net...
> >> >> ignorant bastard wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The presence of the highly explosive thermitic material....
> >> >>
> >> >> Thermite is slow burning. Not in any manner explosive.
> >> >
> >> > Let's see. You have a building that has an aluminum exterior, and
> > plenty
> >> > of iron inside, and slam an airplane into it. The building
> >> > subsequently
> > suffers
> >> > from structural failure and collapses leaving a mixture of pulverized
> > iron and
> >> > aluminum, among other things.
> >> >
> >> > No, there is absolutely zero chance at all that Fe2O3 + 2Al might be
> > found
> >> > in that pile of rubble.
> >>
> >> chance to find thermite in that rubble.
> >>
> >> i
> > Oxidise both? How does ferric oxide oxidize exactly?
> > And since when does aluminum oxidize on contact with,,,, err, contact
> > with,,, eerr what exactly? Air?
>
> Yes. When British frigates were bombed during the Falklands war
> it was soon found that the aluminium superstructure above the steel
> hull burnt fiercely.
> Heck, I'm no conspiracy crank, but aluminium does burn in air if
> you get it hot enough.
>
>
>
>
I only know of the one that was hit by an Excocet missile Andro. Though I
certainly do not doubt there was another.
However, if the WTC buildings were hit at the right spot by such a weapon
the 165kg of high explosive could generate temperatures capable of igniting
aluminium, apparently. Or perhaps secondary ignition of ammunitions within
the ship may have contributed?
However, I'm sure the French wouldn't find jet-A, some paper, furniture, and
plastic to be quite so destructively effective, though certainly a lot less
expensive.
Regards,
Vince
PeterD
<vin...@TAKEOUToptusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>I only know of the one that was hit by an Excocet missile Andro. Though I
>certainly do not doubt there was another.
>However, if the WTC buildings were hit at the right spot by such a weapon
>the 165kg of high explosive could generate temperatures capable of igniting
>aluminium, apparently.
Aluminum, like the beer cans on people's desks? The aircraft's metal?
WTF you talking about troll?
It doesn't take high explosive charges to ignite/burn aluminum,
either. A simple jet fuel, gasoline, or diesel fuel fire will burn
sufficiently hot enough.
Vince Morgan
"PeterD" <pet...@hipson.net> wrote in message
news:4vbug59ips4imsrmk...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:37:12 +1000, "Vince Morgan"
> <vin...@TAKEOUToptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >I only know of the one that was hit by an Excocet missile Andro. Though
I
> >certainly do not doubt there was another.
> >However, if the WTC buildings were hit at the right spot by such a weapon
> >the 165kg of high explosive could generate temperatures capable of
igniting
> >aluminium, apparently.
>
> Aluminum, like the beer cans on people's desks? The aircraft's metal?
> WTF you talking about troll?
>
> It doesn't take high explosive charges to ignite/burn aluminum,
> either. A simple jet fuel, gasoline, or diesel fuel fire will burn
> sufficiently hot enough.
>
I didn't know that. I would expect to see aircraft crashes that feature
large Jet-A fires should show this in the crash reports.
Do they?
Regards,
Vince
Vince Morgan
> <vin...@TAKEOUToptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >I only know of the one that was hit by an Excocet missile Andro. Though
I
> >certainly do not doubt there was another.
> >However, if the WTC buildings were hit at the right spot by such a weapon
> >the 165kg of high explosive could generate temperatures capable of
igniting
> >aluminium, apparently.
>
> Aluminum, like the beer cans on people's desks? The aircraft's metal?
> WTF you talking about troll?
>
> It doesn't take high explosive charges to ignite/burn aluminum,
> either. A simple jet fuel, gasoline, or diesel fuel fire will burn
> sufficiently hot enough.
>
BradGuth
Not a good enough burn at one bar of atmospheric pressure, because
that's only providing an extremely fuel rich and thus relatively cool
heat. However, some aluminum has more magnesium, though it too in a
solid alloy form isn't all that ignitable, much less explosive.
~ BG
Androcles
When arc-welding aluminium, argon is used to provide an inert atmosphere
or the metal will burn.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_tungsten_arc_welding
Vince Morgan
"Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics_q> wrote in message
Yes, I wouldn't argue with that either Andro. I've MIG welded myself
But, the following shows what temperature is actualy required.
src
http://resources.metapress.com/pdf-preview.axd?code=r060737816lq322h&size=largest
[quote]
TEMPERATURE OF ALUMINIUM PARTICLES AT THE TIME OF IGNITION AND COMBUSTION
UDC 541.126+662.612+546.621+546.47
Paragraph 1.
.....
Available data of direct measurement of the temperature of aluminium
particles during ignition are few and contradictory.
..............
..... ignition occures at T = 2025 k...
[/quote]
With all due respect Andro, a red kerosene flame doesn't even begin to
approach anywhere near the temperature required. Adding paper, plastic and
furniture to the mix doesn't help in anyway either. Still faaar too cold.
I would be very happy indeed if someone were to refute the findings of the
paper in question, but it's becoming increasingly apparent that "shoot
first, ask questions later" is not exclusively in the domain of the
uneducated.
The fact that no one has bothered to read the paper first, before sticking
their neck out here, is quite extraordinary. Or, it is to me.
A considered refutation of any of the facts or claims found within the paper
itself would bear a lot of weight, and I would be very happy to read them.
Regards,
Vince
PeterD
<vin...@TAKEOUToptusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>"PeterD" <pet...@hipson.net> wrote in message
>news:4vbug59ips4imsrmk...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:37:12 +1000, "Vince Morgan"
>> <vin...@TAKEOUToptusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> >
>> >I only know of the one that was hit by an Excocet missile Andro. Though
>I
>> >certainly do not doubt there was another.
>> >However, if the WTC buildings were hit at the right spot by such a weapon
>> >the 165kg of high explosive could generate temperatures capable of
>igniting
>> >aluminium, apparently.
>>
>> Aluminum, like the beer cans on people's desks? The aircraft's metal?
>> WTF you talking about troll?
>>
>> It doesn't take high explosive charges to ignite/burn aluminum,
>> either. A simple jet fuel, gasoline, or diesel fuel fire will burn
>> sufficiently hot enough.
>>
>
>I didn't know that. I would expect to see aircraft crashes that feature
>large Jet-A fires should show this in the crash reports.
>Do they?
>Regards,
>Vince
>
You've not investigated many crashes have you... I was in the USAF,
and yes, plane's aluminum burns fine with just the plane's fuel.
Even car fires where the hood is made of aluminum can result in
burning of the aluminum hood. Hummer H1s have all aluminum bodies, I
can also show you pictures of several that burned where there was
nothing left but the steel frame and suspension, all fueled by the
diesel in the tanks (about 50 gallons).
And, again, there was virtually no aluminum in the WTC. One never,
ever builds with mixed aluminum and steel. Galvanic action will
destroy the steel very quickly.
Androcles
So you don't believe white sparks from a cigarette lighter (flint on steel)
or blue sparks from a piezo-electric lighter don't reach a measly 2025
kelvin?
http://home.howstuffworks.com/question383.htm
http://www.mediacollege.com/lighting/colour/images/colour-temperature.gif
http://www.venturelighting.com/TechCenter/Lamps/Color%20Temp%20Chart.jpg
Like so many people, you are probably confusing quantity of heat with
temperature, a common error. A red hot glowing cigarette is many
times hotter than a baking oven but it won't produce much bread.
A red kerosene flame:
http://tinyurl.com/yj3umd4
Looks blue to me.
I'd remind you this is about physics, perhaps you should learn
some instead of guessing. Your neck is sticking out.
BradGuth
wrote:
Of course they don't. However, a shuttle SRB is quite another matter.
~ BG
BradGuth
wrote:
Being consumed and badly melted in the fire is also entirely different
than the aluminum adding fuel to the fire.
~ BG
BradGuth
wrote:
> "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics_q> wrote in message
>
> [quote]
> TEMPERATURE OF ALUMINIUM PARTICLES AT THE TIME OF IGNITION AND COMBUSTION
> UDC 541.126+662.612+546.621+546.47
>
> Paragraph 1.
> .....
> Available data of direct measurement of the temperature of aluminium
> particles during ignition are few and contradictory.
> ..............
> ..... ignition occures at T = 2025 k...
> [/quote]
>
> With all due respect Andro, a red kerosene flame doesn't even begin to
> approach anywhere near the temperature required. Adding paper, plastic and
> furniture to the mix doesn't help in anyway either. Still faaar too cold.
> I would be very happy indeed if someone were to refute the findings of the
> paper in question, but it's becoming increasingly apparent that "shoot
> first, ask questions later" is not exclusively in the domain of the
> uneducated.
> The fact that no one has bothered to read the paper first, before sticking
> their neck out here, is quite extraordinary. Or, it is to me.
> A considered refutation of any of the facts or claims found within the paper
> itself would bear a lot of weight, and I would be very happy to read them.
> Regards,
> Vince
Apparently 2025 K doesn't count when you're trying to pull off another
fast one. I call this aluminum burning ruse via jet fuel as
representing yet another form of conditional physics, so that it's
always politically correct.
~ BG
Vince Morgan
"Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics_q> wrote in message
kind of got a little mixed up here.
Address the paper Andro, I didn't write it.
This is getting a little ugly now so Ill just move on I think.
Vince
Vince Morgan
No, I have never investigated an aircraft crash Peter. And I have never
written a paper on this subject either.
I don't know how I got into arguing about whether or at what temp aluminium
burns. Of course it does, but that was never the point.
The topic of this post, which was not originated by myself is;
[quote]
"A peer-reviewed scientific paper on the discovery of nano-thermite in
the dust of the World Trade Center has been published."
[/quote]
My father was a fighter pilot with the RAAF. He crashed and burned in an
Avon Sabre when I was 14 mths old. I appreciate your service.
I do understand that this subject is a very difficult one for many people.
I am not a US citizen, but I was appalled at what I saw that day, and still
am.
It is not my intention to insult anyone here, or to rub salt into still open
wounds and I am truly sorry if I've done that.
This paper will not go way though, and I am very surprised that no one who
has replied has actualy read it.
Regards,
Vince Morgan
Lumpy
> Even car fires where the hood is made of aluminum can result in
> burning of the aluminum hood. Hummer H1s have all aluminum bodies, I
> can also show you pictures of several that burned where there was
> nothing left but the steel frame and suspension, all fueled by the
> diesel in the tanks (about 50 gallons).
That was obviously a manufactured confusion. The
Maji's built a few Hummers with alum bodies but
included a secret pyro chemical in the alloy.
That way, a few of them would burn up and make
everyone think that aluminum would burn.
Yup. That's the way it happened.
I read the paper. Seven guys said it was true.
Lumpy
> Ill just move on I think.
You mean you won't be modeling your
foil hate here in the eBay group any more?
Ho hum. We'll need some new entertainment.
What kind of presents did everybody get for
Thanksgiving?
Vince Morgan
"Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics_q> wrote in message
I don't? Actualy yes I certainly do. And they are both capable of
initiating a burn in thermite.
Try addressing the paper Andro instead of inventing things and attributing
them to myself.
> http://home.howstuffworks.com/question383.htm
>
http://www.mediacollege.com/lighting/colour/images/colour-temperature.gif
> http://www.venturelighting.com/TechCenter/Lamps/Color%20Temp%20Chart.jpg
>
> Like so many people, you are probably confusing quantity of heat with
> temperature, a common error. A red hot glowing cigarette is many
> times hotter than a baking oven but it won't produce much bread.
>
Truly? I think I got that around the 6th grade, or was it earlier?
> A red kerosene flame:
> http://tinyurl.com/yj3umd4
> Looks blue to me.
>
> I'd remind you this is about physics, perhaps you should learn
> some instead of guessing. Your neck is sticking out.
>
You have surprised me here Andro. I'm flattered realy. You normaly get
into the add hominem stuff earlier than this, it's inevitable.
Let's both get down there in the gutter and .... naaahhh, I'll move on and
let you play alone.
Regards,
Vince
Androcles
I haven't seen any paper to address. This began when you decided
to sneer at the combustion of aluminium in air.
Your words were:
"And since when does aluminum oxidize on contact with,,,, err, contact
with,,, eerr what exactly? Air? " , to which the answer is "when it's hot
enough."
Perhaps you'd better move on with your tail between your legs if you
don't wish to look like a mental retard who used too many commas
and can't spell "err".
Androcles
clams_casino
I read eleven guys confirmed it.
Lumpy
> I read eleven guys confirmed it.
I must have misread. I thought it was eleven gays.
Thought they redecorated the bathrooms with
aluminum paint.
BradGuth
wrote:
> "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics_q> wrote in message
>
> news:vfRPm.35019$Z_5....@newsfe10.ams2...
>
>
>
> > "Vince Morgan" <vin...@TAKEOUToptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> >news:4b0f9b28$0$11509$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>
> > http://www.venturelighting.com/TechCenter/Lamps/Color%20Temp%20Chart.jpg
>
> > Like so many people, you are probably confusing quantity of heat with
> > temperature, a common error. A red hot glowing cigarette is many
> > times hotter than a baking oven but it won't produce much bread.
>
> Truly? I think I got that around the 6th grade, or was it earlier?
>
> > A red kerosene flame:
> > http://tinyurl.com/yj3umd4
> > Looks blue to me.
>
> > I'd remind you this is about physics, perhaps you should learn
> > some instead of guessing. Your neck is sticking out.
>
> You have surprised me here Andro. I'm flattered realy. You normaly get
> into the add hominem stuff earlier than this, it's inevitable.
> Let's both get down there in the gutter and .... naaahhh, I'll move on and
> let you play alone.
> Regards,
> Vince
What the hell, apparently now we can just use a kerosene flame in
order to quickly cut through alloy steel at a rich 1:1 fuel/air
mixture none the less. Imagine the demolition industry savings alone,
in their not having to use thermites or variations of C4.
~ BG
BradGuth
wrote:
> "Don Lancaster" <d...@tinaja.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7n3nouF...@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
> > ignorant bastard wrote:
>
> > > The presence of the highly explosive thermitic material....
>
> > Thermite is slow burning. Not in any manner explosive.
>
> > Many thanks,
>
> > Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
> > Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
> > rss:http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: d...@tinaja.com
>
> > Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site athttp://www.tinaja.com
>
> The rate at which thirmite reacts can be engineered quite easily. The
> smaller the reactive components eg(oxide, aluminum) the faster the reaction.
> The addition of potassium permanganate also speeds this up I beleive, and
> was found, as was sulfur.
> The 'peer reviewed' paper has information on various thermitic mixtures, and
> it is covered very very thoroughly I beleive.
> Perhaps a read of the paper would be a good place to start.
> Regards,
> Vince
What the hell, apparently now we can just use a kerosene flame in
order to quickly cut through robust alloy steel, at a rich 1:1 fuel/
air mixture none the less. Imagine the demolition industry savings
alone, in their not having to bother with using custom thermites or
variations of directional C4 charges.
Apparently just having an aluminum facade is also good building
demolition fuel (even if it's not on fire to begin with).
~ BG
Lumpy
> What the hell, apparently now we can just use a kerosene flame in
> order to quickly cut through alloy steel at a rich 1:1 fuel/air
> mixture none the less.
If seven guys wrote a paper about it, it would be proof.