Corey White enters insanity plea
Kisai
The Speaking Clock
> http://www.daytondailynews.com/r/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/03/...
Poor Corey. I really don't believe that story. I believe that he was
waving what looked like a poker aroundm maybe agitated, maybe thinking
it was a wand, but the whole threatening to blow up a hospital and
attacking an officer seems to be a different person from the one we
know here. Sure - he's a bit of a nutter, but he's always struck me
as a kind and gentle nutter and I like the man.
HG
So, let me get this straight:
1) You have beliefs and assumptions about Corey, as we all do. What kind of
person he is, what he's likely to do, what he's unlikely to do, what you
believe he would never ever do. This is perfectly normal and reasonable.
2) Reality, in the form of news stories, comes into conflict with your
beliefs and assumptions. (Corey assaulted a police officer? What??)
3) You start rationalizing reality away, to conform to your model of Corey.
("Maybe it was a wand...")
Wouldn't it be easier to accept reality and change your beliefs?
("So Corey was a violent man. Who would have guessed?")
HG
quintal
9c5741...@m71g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Aristo...@gmail.com
says...
> http://www.daytondailynews.com/r/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/03/31/ddn040108phinsane.html
>
XENIA ? The man shot by a Yellow Springs police officer after he
reportedly attacked the officer with a fireplace poker plans to plead
not guilty by reason of insanity.
On Monday, March 31, Judge Stephen Wolaver of Greene County Common Pleas
Court ordered Corey N. White be evaluated by physicians at Twin Valley
Behavioral Health Services.
White, 24, faces felonious assault and other charges after he reportedly
attacked Officer Timothy Knoth, who was dispatched to White's home after
White phoned Greene Memorial Hospital threatening to blow it up.
When Knoth arrived, White reportedly hit him with the poker. Knoth shot
him three times in the legs. Police ruled the shooting was self-defense.
...self defense?
three shots in the legs to defend oneself from... a firepoker?
like corey kept running after the first shot to his leg?
wtf?
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quintal
h...@iki.fi.remove.these.invalid says...
> The Speaking Clock <harleq...@live.co.uk> writes:
>
> > On 3 Apr, 17:50, Kisai <Aristos.Ki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > http://www.daytondailynews.com/r/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/03/...
> >
> > Poor Corey. I really don't believe that story. I believe that he was
> > waving what looked like a poker aroundm maybe agitated, maybe thinking
> > it was a wand, but the whole threatening to blow up a hospital and
> > attacking an officer seems to be a different person from the one we
> > know here. Sure - he's a bit of a nutter, but he's always struck me
> > as a kind and gentle nutter and I like the man.
>
>
> So, let me get this straight:
>
> 1) You have beliefs and assumptions about Corey, as we all do. What kind of
> person he is, what he's likely to do, what he's unlikely to do, what you
> believe he would never ever do. This is perfectly normal and reasonable.
>
> 2) Reality, in the form of news stories, comes into conflict with your
> beliefs and assumptions. (Corey assaulted a police officer? What??)
that's just a news story, not reality.
we all know how police works.
> 3) You start rationalizing reality away, to conform to your model of Corey.
> ("Maybe it was a wand...")
no need to rationalize reality away there.
there is just a story, from the news, and from the police.
You dont have to buy it at face value.
this isnt reality.
this is a story which is sold to you by people who have an interest in
lying.
> Wouldn't it be easier to accept reality and change your beliefs?
> ("So Corey was a violent man. Who would have guessed?")
you are advocating the blind belief in what the news and the police tell
you, in the name of reason?
what are you, a fascist?
> HG
Erwin Hessle
> When Knoth arrived, White reportedly hit him with the poker. Knoth shot
> him three times in the legs. Police ruled the shooting was self-defense.
>
> ...self defense?
> three shots in the legs to defend oneself from... a firepoker?
The officer got hit with the poker, so the officer fired. Presuming
that fact pattern is correct, it's self-evidently self-defense. If you
use a firepoker to attack someone with a gun, you cannot sensibly
claim unreasonable force later because your target didn't have another
firepoker to protect himself with. You pays your money and you takes
your choice. Opening fire seems like a perfectly reasonable response
to me.
> like corey kept running after the first shot to his leg?
>
> wtf?
You are obviously completely unfamiliar with the appropriate defensive
use of firearms. When you shoot to neutralise an immediate threat, you
don't fire once, and then hang around waiting to see what kind of
effect your shot had, or indeed whether you hit the target at all; you
fire, and then you keep on firing until the threat is unambiguously
eliminated. When you shoot someone with a pistol, they don't instantly
fly back twenty feet like they do in the movies; if someone is running
towards you, momentum alone will keep them coming for a few moments,
certainly enough moments to let off three measly rounds before you can
figure out that they're going down.
The only remarkable thing about this case is that he was shot three
times in the legs at all. Any instructor who is not a complete
imbecile will teach people to aim for the big targets, since they are
both easier to hit and result in the greatest probability of
neutralising the threat by causing significant blood loss and organ
damage, not to mention reducing the possibility of accidentally
hitting something else that you didn't want to hit by pissing around
trying to shoot people in the legs while they're running. Either this
guy was being actively attacked at the time, and doing a good job to
hit Corey at all under the circumstances, or he shouldn't be walking
around with a firearm.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
The Speaking Clock
Have you ever shot anyone?
The Speaking Clock
> In article <m3sky2n2rk....@nothung.homelinux.net>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
I think Corey might appreciate it if some of us could send him
letters. Does anyone know the address where he is being held?
Erwin Hessle
wrote:
> Have you ever shot anyone?
You'll have to find an alternative way of satisfying your idle and
prurient curiosity than pumping me for information, I'm afraid. Maybe
there'll be something good for you to watch on the TV tonight,
instead.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
HG
> In article <m3sky2n...@nothung.homelinux.net>,
> h...@iki.fi.remove.these.invalid says...
> > The Speaking Clock <harleq...@live.co.uk> writes:
> >
> > > On 3 Apr, 17:50, Kisai <Aristos.Ki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > http://www.daytondailynews.com/r/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/03/...
> > >
> > > Poor Corey. I really don't believe that story. I believe that he was
> > > waving what looked like a poker aroundm maybe agitated, maybe thinking
> > > it was a wand, but the whole threatening to blow up a hospital and
> > > attacking an officer seems to be a different person from the one we
> > > know here. Sure - he's a bit of a nutter, but he's always struck me as
> > > a kind and gentle nutter and I like the man.
> >
> >
> > So, let me get this straight:
> >
> > 1) You have beliefs and assumptions about Corey, as we all do. What kind
> > of person he is, what he's likely to do, what he's unlikely to do, what
> > you believe he would never ever do. This is perfectly normal and
> > reasonable.
> >
> > 2) Reality, in the form of news stories, comes into conflict with your
> > beliefs and assumptions. (Corey assaulted a police officer? What??)
>
> that's just a news story, not reality.
> we all know how police works.
What's this "we all know" stuff? I don't know what you're implying.
> > 3) You start rationalizing reality away, to conform to your model of
> > Corey. ("Maybe it was a wand...")
>
> no need to rationalize reality away there.
> there is just a story, from the news, and from the police.
> You dont have to buy it at face value.
> this isnt reality.
So you're saying we *should* listen to the story Speaking Clock has made
about Corey, but we *shouldn't* listen to the news story?
> this is a story which is sold to you by people who have an interest in
> lying.
Now what interest might that be? Why would the media lie about Corey?
> > Wouldn't it be easier to accept reality and change your beliefs?
> > ("So Corey was a violent man. Who would have guessed?")
>
> you are advocating the blind belief in what the news and the police tell
> you, in the name of reason?
*You* are advocating the blind *disbelief* in what the news and the police
tell you.
What I think is that a news story is more reliable than idle speculation
based on Usenet posts.
> what are you, a fascist?
No, I'm not a fascist. Jesus Fucking Christ what a question.
What are *you*, a kook or a troll?
HG
HG
> The only remarkable thing about this case is that he was shot three
> times in the legs at all. Any instructor who is not a complete
> imbecile will teach people to aim for the big targets, since they are
> both easier to hit and result in the greatest probability of
> neutralising the threat by causing significant blood loss and organ
> damage, not to mention reducing the possibility of accidentally
> hitting something else that you didn't want to hit by pissing around
> trying to shoot people in the legs while they're running. Either this
> guy was being actively attacked at the time, and doing a good job to
> hit Corey at all under the circumstances, or he shouldn't be walking
> around with a firearm.
According to this news story, the officer was indeed being actively attacked
at the time:
http://www.officer.com/online/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=39854
"Investigators say the deputy walked into a home on Omar Circle and a man
almost immediately came toward him with a tire iron or metal rod in his
hands. They say he began swinging that weapon at the officer who then backed
out of the home. The man followed him outside and continued swinging and
hitting the officer. Sheriff's deputies say that's when the officer drew his
gun and shot the man to stop the attack."
HG
Tom
"The Speaking Clock" <harleq...@live.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1ed5e260-0bc8-4b8d...@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> I think Corey might appreciate it if some of us could send him
> letters.
He might appreciate it, but he would also consider it reason to resume the
amazingly huge amount of off-topic noise he made in several different
newsgroups, where he is widely considered to be a persona non grata.
Melkor
**Gasp!**
Meltdarok
I think it's weird that some wish he were dead; even the cop didn't
want to kill him, though he *could* have--right then and there.
--
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http://hometown.aol.com/meltdarok/
http://www.mediafire.com/?9bmgyggtlx7
Tom
"Meltdarok" <melt...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:U_yLj.38216$4Q1.13584@trnddc06...
> Tom wrote, On 4/10/2008 5:28 PM:
>>
>> "The Speaking Clock" <harleq...@live.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:1ed5e260-0bc8-4b8d...@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> I think Corey might appreciate it if some of us could send him
>>> letters.
>>
>> He might appreciate it, but he would also consider it reason to resume
>> the amazingly huge amount of off-topic noise he made in several different
>> newsgroups, where he is widely considered to be a persona non grata.
>
> I think it's weird that some wish he were dead; even the cop didn't
> want to kill him, though he *could* have--right then and there.
What many people want is that Corey not post to Usenet any more. That's
all.
The Speaking Clock
> "Meltdarok" <meltda...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:U_yLj.38216$4Q1.13584@trnddc06...
>
> > Tom wrote, On 4/10/2008 5:28 PM:
>
> >>news:1ed5e260-0bc8-4b8d...@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> I think Corey might appreciate it if some of us could send him
> >>> letters.
>
> >> He might appreciate it, but he would also consider it reason to resume
> >> the amazingly huge amount of off-topic noise he made in several different
> >> newsgroups, where he is widely considered to be a persona non grata.
>
> > I think it's weird that some wish he were dead; even the cop didn't
> > want to kill him, though he *could* have--right then and there.
>
> What many people want is that Corey not post to Usenet any more. That's
> all.
Yes - everyone wants the universe to accord with thier preferences.
Tom
> On 11 Apr, 04:24, "Tom" <dantPAYATTENTIONo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> "Meltdarok" <meltda...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>>
>> > want to kill him, though he *could* have--right then and there.
>>
>> What many people want is that Corey not post to Usenet any more. That's
>> all.
>
> Yes - everyone wants the universe to accord with thier preferences.
But not everyone approves of killing someone to make it so.
quintal
h...@iki.fi.remove.these.invalid says...
no. I'm advocating caution and doubt when dealing with police and
judicial statements.
I'm advocating taking the side of the individual against the one of the
machine.
> What I think is that a news story is more reliable than idle speculation
> based on Usenet posts.
>
>
> > what are you, a fascist?
>
> No, I'm not a fascist. Jesus Fucking Christ what a question.
>
> What are *you*, a kook or a troll?
you just buy and repeat the police's version and happily trample upon
corey's rights and due respect.
that's fascist talk.
>
> HG
>
--
" Les procès de Moscou n'ont pas diminué la dignité fondamentale du
communisme. " André Malraux.
" Je conviens sans nulle difficulté que la politique de l'Etat
soviétique est conduite par un homme extraordinaire. Staline est un
homme de génie. Il est génial par ses dimensions, sa puissance
intérieure d'efficacité comme par la profondeur de ses desseins. " Léon
Blum.
quintal
@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, er...@erwinhessle.com says...
> On Apr 10, 11:22 am, quintal <quin...@francom.esoterisme> wrote:
> > When Knoth arrived, White reportedly hit him with the poker. Knoth shot
> > him three times in the legs. Police ruled the shooting was self-defense.
> >
> > ...self defense?
> > three shots in the legs to defend oneself from... a firepoker?
>
> The officer got hit with the poker, so the officer fired. Presuming
> that fact pattern is correct, it's self-evidently self-defense. If you
> use a firepoker to attack someone with a gun, you cannot sensibly
> claim unreasonable force later because your target didn't have another
> firepoker to protect himself with. You pays your money and you takes
> your choice. Opening fire seems like a perfectly reasonable response
> to me.
yeah, that's why i specifically asked about the fact that there were
three fireshots, not just one.
It seems to me that self defense accounts for one only, except if one
imagines that corey kepts trying to hit the policeman with his firepoker
after having been shot once, then twice.
three fireshots are self defense against a firepoker only if the guy
handling the firepoker is one crazy bastard who keeps attacking after
having been shot once, then twice.
we all know corey and it's hard to believe that he would be like that.
> > like corey kept running after the first shot to his leg?
> >
> > wtf?
>
> You are obviously completely unfamiliar with the appropriate defensive
> use of firearms. When you shoot to neutralise an immediate threat, you
> don't fire once, and then hang around waiting to see what kind of
> effect your shot had, or indeed whether you hit the target at all; you
> fire, and then you keep on firing until the threat is unambiguously
> eliminated.
oh so that's what you call self defense?
"unambiguously eliminating the threat"?
why are you using words which are usually used to describe murder?
very telling.
> When you shoot someone with a pistol, they don't instantly
> fly back twenty feet like they do in the movies;
a shot in the leg will stop anyone from running or walking, dont you
agree?
except a very drunk or drugged or full of adrenaline person who will
keep attacking after having been shot once.
i just find it very weird that corey would have been in such a state.
i can understand that he might have attacked a cop with a firepoker
(somehow...), i doubt that he was in such a state that he would keep
attacking after having been shot once in his leg.
> if someone is running
> towards you, momentum alone will keep them coming for a few moments,
> certainly enough moments to let off three measly rounds before you can
> figure out that they're going down.
then the cop shot out of fear, and he shouldnt be a cop nor carry a
weapon.
> The only remarkable thing about this case is that he was shot three
> times in the legs at all.
I'd assume this was necessary if you advocate self defense at all.
I wouldnt want cops to shoot in the chest or the head people who are
attacking them with a mere firepoker (provided they have room to shoot
in the legs of course)
> Any instructor who is not a complete
> imbecile will teach people to aim for the big targets, since they are
> both easier to hit and result in the greatest probability of
> neutralising the threat by causing significant blood loss and organ
> damage,
i guess that cop had a real instructor, not a brute as you're
describing.
"you want to disable a threatening person, shoot in the legs in order
not to kill him/her".
Good training. Now he just made the mistake of shooting thrice instead
of just one.
> not to mention reducing the possibility of accidentally
> hitting something else that you didn't want to hit by pissing around
trying to neutralize without killing isnt what i would call "pissing
around"
but obviously you like the idea of having the cops risking to kill
anyone who threatens them.
you wish cops would shoot in the head or chest when under non lethal
threat?
fortunately, some cop instructors disagree with you (as well as some
judges and laws)
grandma is waving her fists at me? Bang, shot in the head!
Good work, dirty harry!
lol
> trying to shoot people in the legs while they're running. Either this
> guy was being actively attacked at the time, and doing a good job to
> hit Corey at all under the circumstances, or he shouldn't be walking
> around with a firearm.
>
> Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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quintal
d8cc5d...@z38g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, er...@erwinhessle.com
says...
haha good one, sickobeck.
quintal
h...@iki.fi.remove.these.invalid says...
good officer.
when will cops be rewarded for not killing people who dont need to be
killed?
> HG
HG
> you just buy and repeat the police's version and happily trample upon
> corey's rights and due respect. that's fascist talk.
Your thought processes have not evolved beyond those of an angry, naive
16-year-old.
But the 16-year-old will eventually grow up and become smarter and wiser.
You, on the other hand, think that the Rotschilds dine with Lucifer.
Kill yourself.
HG
The Speaking Clock
Please stop it with the 'kill yourself' talk? Please?
I'm going to hide underneath the bed now.
HG
Sorry, I didn't mean to scare you.
If you're scared of the way I talk, don't read any of my replies to Quintal.
Problem solved.
HG
The Speaking Clock
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ok, it's a deal.
Erwin Hessle
> a shot in the leg will stop anyone from running or walking, dont you
> agree?
No. As I told you, you don't understand this stuff at all. A shot in
the leg *may* stop someone from running or walking, and it may not.
And even if it does, it very probably won't do so immediately.
Furthermore, it may come as something of a surprise to a cheese-eating
wastrel like you who's only ever seen a gun in a movie, but trying to
shoot someone in the legs is no guarantee that you're actually going
to hit them, in the legs or anywhere else, which is one very good
reason why you keep firing until you see them drop.
> except a very drunk or drugged or full of adrenaline person who will
> keep attacking after having been shot once.
Or maybe, for instance, a total fucking deranged lunatic like Corey
White?
> i just find it very weird that corey would have been in such a state.
That's because you're an idiot.
> > The only remarkable thing about this case is that he was shot three
> > times in the legs at all.
>
> I'd assume this was necessary if you advocate self defense at all.
Yes, and you assume things like this because you're an idiot. Come
back and argue this one to me again, next time a cop tries to shoot
someone in the legs, misses, and the bullet ends up in your face,
instead, or in your six month old baby's pram. Or, you can go explain
to the officer's wife and children why he's dead from a firepoker to
the brain because he took too long trying to aim at some deranged
idiot's spindly flailing legs to actually get any rounds off.
This is exactly why pacifist space-cadets like you don't get to set
policy. You'll be advocating trying to shoot the guns out of the bad
guys' hands, next.
> I wouldnt want cops to shoot in the chest or the head people who are
> attacking them with a mere firepoker (provided they have room to shoot
> in the legs of course)
Fortunately for the rest of us, nobody gives a shit what pie-eyed
commie cockfags like you want.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
The Speaking Clock
Just a thought...if the officer was actually on the ground (having
taken a poker to the head), it might explain why he shot Corey in the
legs 3 times.
*sigh*
Absorbed
> You'll be advocating trying to shoot the guns out of the bad
> guys' hands, next.
Erwin Hessle
Let's see some beat cop do that successfully ten times in a row, with
a pistol, at night, while the guy's running at him. Smartass.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
Absorbed
Heh. I think even in the video the sniper was lucky to get the result he
did.
PureOne
wrote:
> On 13 Apr, 15:57, HG <h...@iki.fi.remove.these.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > The Speaking Clock <harlequin...@live.co.uk> writes:
>
> > > On 13 Apr, 15:31, HG <h...@iki.fi.remove.these.invalid> wrote:
> > > > quintal <quin...@francom.esoterisme> writes:
> > > > > you just buy and repeat the police's version and happily trample upon
>
> > > > Your thought processes have not evolved beyond those of an angry, naive
> > > > 16-year-old.
>
> > > > But the 16-year-old will eventually grow up and become smarter and wiser.
>
> > > > You, on the other hand, think that the Rotschilds dine with Lucifer.
>
> > > > Kill yourself.
>
> > > > HG
>
> > > Please stop it with the 'kill yourself' talk? Please?
>
> > > I'm going to hide underneath the bed now.
>
> > Sorry, I didn't mean to scare you.
>
> > If you're scared of the way I talk, don't read any of my replies to Quintal.
> > Problem solved.
>
> > HG- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I am corey's friend john. He has asked me to post his prison writings
to alt.magick. I will do this at a later time. Corey is healing from
his gunshot wounds but is in quite a lot of pain. He is still in jail
awaiting trial. I can not address any questions about his trial. As
far as I know the news reports are factual. There is also talk of
having YS cops carry stun-guns now.....which would prevent future
shootings. Let me just say that I've never known corey to be violent
and the officers account is suspect in my opinion. Thanks for caring.
To those of you wanting to send letters I will provide an address once
I check with corey to see if he wants this. He thinks a lot of this
group....just thought the ppl writing less-than-nice comments might
want to think about that.
The Speaking Clock
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks for letting us know about Corey, John. I appreciate your
keeping us in touch with him. Please tell him that he is always a
light on newsnet and when I've been in dark places his honest,
optimistic posts have always served to bring me out of it and into the
light. There's nothing wrong with being a little mad, as long as your
heart is a good as his is. Send him my love and tell him I gave him
the tarot rota prog for his server so that he knows who I am.
The people writing the less than appreciate comments are just
fucktards and I know that he has the strength to ignore them as the
irrelevence they are. Whatever happened that night, doesn't make a
difference to me. Corey will remain one of the people in my life that
I owe for keeping the lights burning.
Best,
TSC.
Erwin Hessle
> He thinks a lot of this
> group....just thought the ppl writing less-than-nice comments might
> want to think about that.
We are thinking about it. That's why we don't want him posting here
again.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
The Speaking Clock
Speak for yourself Erwin.
Erwin Hessle
wrote:
I always do. And, in this case, for the many other people who don't
want that nutbar posting here again, and for the many, many other
people who don't what that nutbar posting to fifty other irrelevant
newsgroups, either. You're going to find yourself very much in the
minority, with this one. Personally, I hope his insanity plea works,
and they lock him up for good, where he belongs.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
Absorbed
> I am corey's friend john. He has asked me to post his prison writings
> to alt.magick.
I think he meant alt.magic without the k. He used to post there a lot,
and I wouldn't want you to accidentally not carry out his wishes.
Absorbed
You must be letting something cloud your judgement, since it's obvious
that Corey is almost universally despised over Usenet for his incessant
garbage.
The Speaking Clock
The minority were the ones who spotted the copernician revolution,
something that's a large hole in your scientific philosophy, Erwin the
yellow.
The Speaking Clock
Go bark at your tail, as usual.
Absorbed
Snippy.
The Speaking Clock
>
> - Show quoted text -
:D Seriously - I'm off to bed. Night.
Erwin Hessle
wrote:
> On 18 Apr, 23:41, Erwin Hessle <er...@erwinhessle.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 18, 5:24 pm, The Speaking Clock <harlequin...@live.co.uk>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On 18 Apr, 23:05, Erwin Hessle <er...@erwinhessle.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 18, 4:25 pm, PureOne <virtualade...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > He thinks a lot of this
> > > > > group....just thought the ppl writing less-than-nice comments might
> > > > > want to think about that.
>
> > > > We are thinking about it. That's why we don't want him posting here
> > > > again.
>
> > > > Erwin Hessle, 8=3
>
> > > Speak for yourself Erwin.
>
> > I always do. And, in this case, for the many other people who don't
> > want that nutbar posting here again, and for the many, many other
> > people who don't what that nutbar posting to fifty other irrelevant
> > newsgroups, either. You're going to find yourself very much in the
> > minority, with this one. Personally, I hope his insanity plea works,
> > and they lock him up for good, where he belongs.
>
> > Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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> The minority were the ones who spotted the copernician revolution
Awww, I bet your mum used to tell you that all the time.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3