Magic and Magick
Alrah
Today we think about Magic as something rather declasse. Just
illusionists tricks. Those people with the card tricks? Oh them?
Just illusionists. And Crowley proposed the name 'Magick' in order to
seperate it from an old tradition that used illusions to confront and
confound peoples perceptions, and invite them to work out the trick.
And I was thinking "what a wonderfully non verbal way to explain
Magickal lessons to people!" :)
It's on par with the koan of the east.
Your thoughts?
Alrah
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1bgxfxchkQ
What's your favourite line out of 'Brain Damage' by Pink Floyd?
Alrah
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Tom
Magic is a subset of magick.
"Magic is the Highest, most Absolute, and most Divine Knowledge of
Natural Philosophy, advanced in its works and wonderful operations by
a right understanding of the inward and occult virtue of things; so
that true Agents being applied to proper Patients, strange and
admirable effects will thereby be produced. Whence magicians are
profound and diligent searchers into Nature; they, because of their
skill, know how to anticipate an effect, the which to the vulgar shall
seem to be a miracle." -- The Lemegeton
Alrah
Alrah
All of these tracks were randomly selected by Windows Media Player.
:-)
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.
And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
You shout and no one seems to hear.
And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.
Of course there are so many great Floyed lyrics.
From Ummagumma - Grantchester Meadow.
Hear the lark and harken to the barking of the dog fox
Gone to ground.
See the splashing of the kingfisher flashing to the water.
And a river of green is sliding unseen beneath the trees
Laughing as it passes through the endless summer
Making for the sea.
Welcome to the Machine .
Have a Cigar
Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar.
You're gonna go far, fly high,
You're never gonna die,
You're gonna make it if you try;
They're gonna love you.
Well I've always had a deep respect,
And I mean that most sincerely.
The band is just fantastic,
that is really what I think.
Oh by the way, which one's Pink?
And did we tell you the name of the game, boy,
We call it Riding the Gravy Train.
We're just knocked out.
We heard about the sell out.
You gotta get an album out.
You owe it to the people.
We're so happy we can hardly count.
Everybody else is just green,
Have you seen the chart?
It's a helluva start,
It could be made into a monster
If we all pull together as a team.
And did we tell you the name of the game, boy,
We call it Riding the Gravy Train.
--
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.
Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
http://fredeeky.typepad.com/fredeeky/files/sf_anthem.mp3
HG
Miguel Alberto
guys, but, here is what you get in alt.magic.secrets:
"Alt.Skiz a Good Group, Alt.Magic.Secrets a Bad Group
Will you look at this. This tyrant
says he can have this WebTV service terminated, and I don't even own it,
if I write my harmless, dignified material in his group.
Look at all the shenanigans people
have got away with in our group. There was a guy who used to flood the
pages here with one one liner after another. I thought it was the
government trying to drown me out.
Here is a cut and paste of the
tyrant who threatened to end this WebTV service.
Re: An After Life?
Group: alt.magic.secrets Date: Wed, Nov 11, 2009, 11:46am From:
bur...@REMOVEALLCAPSsTtDdIiOOOo.com (Eric Haddix) You want alt.magick
Note the "k".
Now please stop posting here or I will have webtv yank your account(it
wouldn't be the first time I've done so by any means). And I'm not
talking about having you "kicked out of alt.magic" but banned from using
webtv at all. Your choice.
On 11/11/2009 08:14 AM, Miguel Alberto wrote:
Are you a prestidigitation
group? I present real magic; the kind that moves mountains. You go to
the timeline where the mountain is elsewhere.
This is one of the MSN WebTV
"news groups", like alt.support.schizophrenia, where anything goes. No
one has ever got kicked out of alt.support.schizophrenia.
Does this group have a
moderator, like the Yahoo groups? I joined a bipolar manicdepressive MSN
WebTV group, hoping to find someone who would get obsessed with
spreading the forbidden secrets I spread. I simply got kicked out.
In Yahoo I lost count of all
the Yahoo groups I got kicked out of. But, I own and moderate my own
Yahoo group,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alchemy61/ Since Yahoo
upgraded MSN WebTV can't use Yahoo groups anymore. I have to use the
computer at the public library to use Yahoo groups.
And, my answer:
Re: An After Life?
Group: alt.magic.secrets Date: Wed, Nov 11, 2009, 7:28pm From:
gell...@webtv.net (Miguel Alberto)
I'm gonzo! I have erased this group
from my favorites. I wont be back.
I'm not a gambler. It seems that no
one can ban a whole service over a few words, unless you are some kind
of freemason or something. All their secrets are exposed in my writings
here.
And, I don't own this WebTV. I was
allowed to have an address here by the owner. He doesn't know what I'm
doing. Would he be cut off of all WebTV service?
If you want to answer that question
you may email me at gell...@webtv.net for I'm not coming back here.
What would you do?
Tom
> This is the difference between Magick and Magic! You guys are good
> guys, but, here is what you get in alt.magic.secrets:
>
> "Alt.Skiz a Good Group, Alt.Magic.Secrets a Bad Group
> Will you look at this. This tyrant
> says he can have this WebTV service terminated, and I don't even own it,
> if I write my harmless, dignified material in his group.
Well, harmless, at any rate. I wouldn't go so far as to call it
"dignified".
Alt.magic.secrets is about how to do card tricks and pull rabbits out
of top hats at children's birthday parties. They really don't care
about your advantures with the global super-villains. Not even a
little bit.
I realize how busy you are fighting the forces of darkness, but once
in a while it's a good idea to look up and notice where you are.
It'll help keep you out of the "mental hospital gulags".
Alrah
>
> > Are walking way from something valuable?
>
> > Today we think about Magic as something rather declasse. Just
> > illusionists tricks. Those people with the card tricks? Oh them?
> > Just illusionists. And Crowley proposed the name 'Magick' in order to
> > seperate it from an old tradition that used illusions to confront and
> > confound peoples perceptions, and invite them to work out the trick.
>
> > And I was thinking "what a wonderfully non verbal way to explain
> > Magickal lessons to people!" :)
>
> > It's on par with the koan of the east.
>
> > Your thoughts?
>
> Magic is a subset of magick.
I like to split that quotation (Lemegeton) into 3:
"Magic is the Highest, most Absolute, and most Divine Knowledge of
Natural Philosophy."
So... the best natural philosophy is Magick?
1st definition: Natural philosophy: The study of nature and the
physical universe before the advent of modern science.
Do you think this definition still applies to modern day magick?
"Magick is advanced in its works and wonderful operations by a right
understanding of the inward and occult virtue of things; so that true
Agents being applied to proper Patients, strange and admirable effects
will thereby be produced.
or 'Alchemy is.... cool?' or 'do you see what happens when you throw
possasium wrapped in magnesium into water!' ;-)
"Magicians are profound and diligent searchers into Nature; they,
because of their skill, know how to anticipate an effect, the which to
the vulgar shall seem to be a miracle." -- The Lemegeton
or 'Magicians can see into the future but there's an explanation for
this...'
lol.
Alrah
though... :)
Tom
> On 15 Nov, 19:04, Tom <danto...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 15, 8:58 am, Alrah <alrah-pub...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Are walking way from something valuable?
>
> > > Today we think about Magic as something rather declasse. Just
> > > illusionists tricks. Those people with the card tricks? Oh them?
> > > Just illusionists. And Crowley proposed the name 'Magick' in order to
> > > seperate it from an old tradition that used illusions to confront and
> > > confound peoples perceptions, and invite them to work out the trick.
>
> > > And I was thinking "what a wonderfully non verbal way to explain
> > > Magickal lessons to people!" :)
>
> > > It's on par with the koan of the east.
>
> > > Your thoughts?
>
> > Magic is a subset of magick.
>
> I like to split that quotation (Lemegeton) into 3:
>
> "Magic is the Highest, most Absolute, and most Divine Knowledge of
> Natural Philosophy."
>
> So... the best natural philosophy is Magick?
No, the best part of natural philosophy is the discovery of the true
agents and proper patients which produce effects which seem like
miracles.
> 1st definition: Natural philosophy: The study of nature and the
> physical universe before the advent of modern science.
Science is what natural philosophy evolved into. There is no
difference.
> Do you think this definition still applies to modern day magick?
It does when one is not mired in the superstitions and religious
dogmas which abound in the lore of occultism.
> "Magick is advanced in its works and wonderful operations by a right
> understanding of the inward and occult virtue of things; so that true
> Agents being applied to proper Patients, strange and admirable effects
> will thereby be produced.
>
> or 'Alchemy is.... cool?' or 'do you see what happens when you throw
> possasium wrapped in magnesium into water!' ;-)
The second option. The first is merely a value judgment.
> "Magicians are profound and diligent searchers into Nature; they,
> because of their skill, know how to anticipate an effect, the which to
> the vulgar shall seem to be a miracle." -- The Lemegeton
>
> or 'Magicians can see into the future but there's an explanation for
> this...'
Magicians make better guessers.
To recap:
Magic is the investigation of how stuff really happens, such that, by
knowing how, you can produce effects that seem miraculous to those who
don't know how. When someone talks about "the miracles of modern
science", they're talking about magic. When people talk about
"Hollywood special effects wizardry", they're talking about magic.
Crowley used the term "magick" to especially reference an intellectual
and experiential pursuit of spirituality in which one would use the
methodology of the natural philosophers, up to and including the
methods of science. Of course, Crowley himself was caught up in the
whole occult superstition thing quite often. So his differentiation
of "true agents" from "superstitious twaddle" was never very clear.
"We place no reliance on Virgin or Pigeon;
Our method is science, our aim is religion."
Miguel Alberto
The dark side has been slandered by vicious lies. Dark waters are
confluent and peaceful. It is the clashing and turbulent waters that are
white.
Darkness can never hurt you; but, the white light of a nuclear
blast will melt your face off. I know a World War II POW who saw that
happen. He was forced to work deep in a hole while the guards stood
overhead. The nuclear blast went off and melted their faces off. That
was in Hiroshima.
The darkness can never hurt you. That which hides in the darkness
can.
Those with amplified cytochromes in their optic nerves can see
blackness at the core of the opposite sex, in a holographic way. That's
why Aleister Crowley said women have no souls. That's why patriarchal
systems like Taoism call Yin female. The RHP is gay at its miserable
core.
Alrah
> Actually, I'm fighting the forces of blazing, blinding light.
Like... the Sun? You've got a grudge against the Sun now?
Miguel Alberto
Re: Magic and Magick
Group: alt.magick Date: Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 4:54am (EST-3) From:
alrah-...@hotmail.com (Alrah)
is a dull glimmer compared to THEM blazing f....s brighter than the sun.
Alrah
> Re: Magic and Magick
>
> Group: alt.magick Date: Thu, Nov 19, 2009, 4:54am (EST-3) From:
> On 19 Nov, 11:32, gellie...@webtv.net (Miguel Alberto) wrote:
> Actually, I'm fighting the forces of blazing, blinding
> light.
> Like... the Sun? You've got a grudge against the Sun now?
>
> The blazing whitelighters are much more brighter than the sun. The sun
> is a dull glimmer compared to THEM blazing f....s brighter than the sun.
Bye Miguel. Hope you get your head together some time.
Tom
> Actually, I'm fighting the forces of blazing, blinding light.
> The dark side has been slandered by vicious lies. Dark waters are
> confluent and peaceful. It is the clashing and turbulent waters that are
> white.
Still water is clear, not dark. Fouled waters are dark.
> Darkness can never hurt you;
> but, the white light of a nuclear
> blast will melt your face off. I know a World War II POW who saw that
> happen.
No, actually you don't. You merely know someone who says that. And
you, paranoid as you are, swallowed that cock-and-bull story hook,
line, and sinker. You, of all people, should know better than to
actually believe the stories that your fellow mental patients tell
you.
> The darkness can never hurt you.
Darkness is just a lack of light. Complete darkness is a complete
lack of energy. Temperature of absolute zero. Do you think you can
function at that temerature? Extreme conditions of any kind are
harmful.
Of course, you're just stretching a metaphor here. What you're really
afraid of is being exposed, of having people see you for what you
really are, instead of the illusions you like to project. Someone
turns a light on you and you scuttle for cover like a cockroach. So
you think the enemy is light. It's not. It's your own self-
abhorrence, your shame at being something as tiny and weak and
vulnerable as you are. When you are brought face-to-face with that,
you scurry for the nearest paranoid delusion to hide behind.
That's why you hated having those medical people know about your real
past, not just the made-up one you tried to fob off onto them.
Miguel Alberto
two things in the universe, energy; and, the conformation of energy,
called "information" in general systems dynamics.
There is the lack of the release of energy. Information, of the
opposite polarities, undifferentiate with each other, and thereby
release the energy that maintained those opposite polarities.
Sometimes that energy is in the visible range of the light
spectrum. But, I'd rather be the one of the polarities cancelling than
someone who has to stand off and see any light released in the visible
part of the spectrum.
Physiologists say that exposure in the vacuum of space would be
painless euthanasia. If you became nonexistent you would never suffer
again. Hinduism and Buddhism calls this nonexistence Nirvana, and its
attainment, Liberation.
The Hiroshima story is told by an 85 year old Elder of a
Pentecostal Christian Church.
Tom
> There is no such thing as the complete "lack" of energy.
Nor an ideal gas, but there is an ideal gas law anyway and it works
just fine for predicting the behavior of less than ideal gasses almost
all the time. Absolutes are like mathematical limits, you can
approach them but you never quite get there. That doesn't mean that
there's "no such thing" as a mathematical limit.
> There are
> two things in the universe, energy; and, the conformation of energy,
> called "information" in general systems dynamics.
What makes you think that energy is discretely different from
information?
> The Hiroshima story is told by an 85 year old Elder of a
> Pentecostal Christian Church.
According to records, there was one coal mine using a few American
prisoners some eighty miles away from Hiroshima when the bomb went
off. The prisoners did not see the blast and learned of it only when
they returned to the surface. Nobody there saw anybody's face melt
from the blast because it did not reach that mine. Anybody who was
close enough to the blast to see people be destroyed by it would not
have lived to tell the tale themselves. Your witness is confusing
fact with fancy, sort of like you do.
Miguel Alberto
E=Mc². Anything that exists can only exist in closed circuitry of the
one substance, E=Mc², in the one substance, E=Mc², that there be
something to move out of the way and fill in behind.
That derivation of energy and information was derived from "Living
Systems" by James T. Miller. All the facts I have given have been
derived from reliable sources, like for example, the hyperdimensional
geometry was derived from Scientific American.
Meltdarok
The difficulties we have is in the realization that there is a Yin Yang
type relationship with matter/energy (E=MC^2)and the Field within which
it manifests. We like to call it "SPACE" and then promptly ignore it.
--
meltdarok
The careless mind makes problems where
there actually aren't any.
Then it struggles to change the world,
and not the mind itself.
Miguel Alberto
Jachin/Boaz lie. Actually they are the same lie.
Opposite polarities are the inevitable closed circuits flowing
counterclockwise (male), and, clockwise (female).
Active and passive, energy and matter, are NOT opposite
polarities.
The iron in the cytochromes in every male cell is polarized
counterclockwise. The iron in the cytochromes in every female cell is
polarized clockwise. When facing each other they are confluent.
Just like bubbles in a shaken bottle of water undifferentiate,
everything is seeking confluency, undifferentiation. The heart of every
pleasure is a taste of nonexistence.
Nonexistence would be the complete satisfaction of all desires,
eternally. Any doubt about this is a negative feedback mechanism.
The characteristics attributed to Yang are the patriarchal male
view, symptoms of the repulsion of like polarities. I have said, "Gays
must have a leak in their insulation". I have found out what that
insulation is. It is too insulative glial cells in the brain and nervous
system.
Miguel Alberto
Sepirothic Tree, and that Boaz is on the other side of the Sephirothic
Tree, that these, and their corresponding Yang and Yin, are not the
opposite polarities, but are characteristics of the spectrum along the
way to complete polarity cancellation.
Here's the spectrum.
"The ultimate Sephirothic Tree of
Life is defined on a Cartesian coordinate system turned where the
"origin" is Kether. Chokmah is on the X axis, which represents opposite
polarities separated, and Binah is on the Y axis which represents
opposite polarities united and cancelled out.
From the origin, ray out colors, red
by the X axis, then orange, yellow, lime down the middle, green, blue,
and violet next to the Y axis.
Chesed is in the yellow ray. Geburah
is in the green ray. Tippereth is in the lime ray. Netzach is in the red
ray. Hod is in the violet ray. Yesod is lower in the lime ray, And,
Malcuth is even lower in the lime ray.
As you go lower and lower on this
graph you get slower and slower polarity cancellation rates, more and
more "bound astral light".
Daath is at the light speed
equivalency, the boarder where, going toward Kether, along this fifth
dimension, matter is transduced into probability.
Neither time, nor all the
probability timelines thereof, are represented on this graph.
And, notice that, that which is
usually classified as red is in the green ray; and, the same with the
other colors. They are in their complementary colors.
"When you are green, the world looks
red". You will also find this complementary in the Pa Qua, which, of
course, can be superimposed on this graph."
Tom
> There is no such thing as no energy.
Now, stop arguing with the figments of your imagination. No one said
"There is no energy" or anything similar. You have a very distinct
tendency to consider the products of your imagination to be real
events. It's made your life a living hell up to this point. One
would think a bright guy like you would learn how to control that
tendency, but apparently not.