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Silly Tom ( was Silly Someone else)
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From: Gnome d Plume <Gnomedpl...@unowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: Silly Tom ( was Silly Someone else)
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 05:27:27 GMT, "Asiya"
<asiya_is_h...@sbcglobal.net156> wrote:
>"Gnome d Plume" <Gnomedpl...@unowhere.com> wrote in message
>news:hkoeb05ajha457fi9dq2ppiv9liqe2n3cb@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 28 May 2004 14:50:25 GMT, "Tom" <dantoXS...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>> >"Asiya" <asiya_is_h...@sbcglobal.net156> wrote in message
>> >news:cAAtc.1321$e16.900@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com...
>> >>
>> >> "Better" as in superior, certainly not. The practice of magick
>should
>> >> point that out to the practitioners.
>> >
>> >Unfortunately it often has precisely the opposite effect. How many
>times
>> >have you heard folks talk about "mundanes" or sneer at people who
>don't know
>> >their occulty dogma in minute detail? What about the whole "they"
>(bad)
>> >versus "us" (good) mentality? What about the insistence on secrecy
>so that
>> >their alleged mighty powers won't "fall into the wrong hands", which
>> >certainly assumes their own moral and spiritual superiority? What
>about the
>> >claim that folks who don't believe their claims a priori are "blind"?
>> >
>> >These represent very common attitudes among people who practice one
>form of
>> >magick or another.
>>
>> **** Do they really? Isn't this fascinating, sports fans? He goes into
>> a self-righteous conniption fit when I make a statement that:
>> "psychologists---and especially child psychologists----have a
>> different view of self-hypnosis, seeing it as a "gateway to
>> pathological dissociation" (true as far as it went, but certainly over
>> simplified ) and now he makes a vast, sweeping generalization
>> (grossly oversimplified! ) about all of us here on alt.magick (you
>> included Asiya)
>
>Your comments are sweeping generalizations. Tom didn't say that all
>magick practitioners have these attitudes, he's mentioning specific
>examples of how ego aggrandizement sometimes manifests in magick
>practitioners.
**** I'm sure you must be right. I assumed Tom wrote this following
post, but from what you say he obviously did not.....*****
>"Unfortunately it often has precisely the opposite effect. How many times
>have you heard folks talk about "mundanes" or sneer at people who don't know
>their occulty dogma in minute detail? What about the whole "they" (bad)
>versus "us" (good) mentality? What about the insistence on secrecy so that
>their alleged mighty powers won't "fall into the wrong hands", which
>certainly assumes their own moral and spiritual superiority? What about the
>claim that folks who don't believe their claims a priori are "blind"?
>These represent very common attitudes among people who practice one form of
>magick or another."
**** Compare the expression "very common attitudes" with my expression
"totally different conception" and you might see a pattern here. If I
were a Tibetan Buddhist I'd be chuckling at the two manifestations of
Schuler/Gnome arguing with each other.*****
>And it's not off-base.
****You're right, and so is Tom. But it is still a sweeping
generalization.*****
>I don't feel insulted or whatever
>you're implying I should feel about this since it wasn't directed at me
>personally nor at *all* magick practitioners.
****Actually it was, but you and I don't have to feel insulted because
we both know that we are so far advanced in spiritual development that
we cannot possibly be compared to or included with the witchy-poos,
trailer park Druids, beady-eyed "c.m.s," and occult cyber-geeks that
Dr. Schuler is referring to. He is right, of course. Most people who
practice "one form of magick or another" have inflated egos hardly
justified by their actual worth or accomplishments.
But then there are just a few of us---like you and me---who are
above all that.
How much do you charge for Tarot readings online? *****
Vastly Humble Gnome
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