dc thirteen analized
bill page
lights look like peoples flash lights while all the people go out
the back curtain on a plank and get ready for there cool appearnce
in audience with flash lights in hans on waving theme havin fun :)
as for in the round version i haven seen that one everyones
talking about?
myguess is maybe a mirror tunnel
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MagicFingers Posted: Oct 27 2007, 10:00 AM
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At least one of the people in the "thirteen" is a stooge (maybe two).
They stay behind as the others leave and they operate the flashlights.
They then hide in the base before the curtain is removed.
It's interesting to notice how the steel balls never go behind him -
meaning the audience behind him don't get to participate (or even see
the show, if you think about it). I'm not sure what the deal is with
them.
As far as the escape is concerned - it doesn't seem as if the same
method is used as in his live performances. My theory is that there is
a mirror tunnel that runs through the stage-left leg assembly (right
side as we see it). That part of the cage just happens to be in
exactly the same place as the millenium cabinet and the voyeur vanish.
And we know there is a trap door right there.
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I think in "thirteen" there is only one stooge. I think he is the one
who comes on with the deflated ball. It is difficult to tell how many
silver balls are originally thrown out to the audience.
In the video, take note that the lady is wearing pink, and the guy
beside her, a dark color. When they reach out the sides for the large
flashlights (not both at once), they both have dark sleeves.
I also think that the people don't turn on their flashlights until
their appearance at the back of the auditorium. When I saw this
illusion live, the bar the holds the curtains up has a section in it
(on the back bar) that is transparent.
The method for getting the people off the platform must be quick, and
easy for the people to use because they have not rehearsed the
illusion beforehand.
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This thread is getting further and further away from how it is
actually done...the guesses are getting much colder.
There are NO stooges. The guy with the deflated ball HAD a regular
silver ball...as he is coming up on stage, one of the assistants takes
his inflated ball and gives him the deflated ball. It is all for a
joke...also the assistants look over the volunteers and determine who
is NOT going to vanish...based on how big they are, how tall, physical
limitations, whether they look like a magician or not...of which that
question is often asked of the volunteers.
All the people that go up on the platform actually vanish and reappear
in the house...NONE of them stay behind. NO intelligent lights are
used in the platform, no mechanical hands or arms are used.
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Thank you Bill Page that was really nice from you.
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Well, I've just read this thread, and the few pages about the troupe
vanish.
I've watched it a couple of times, and I think I have an idea as to
what the psychological principle that was mentioned might be.
Due to the discussion about exposure, I think I'd better ask first -
can I mention my guess here, or shall I keep it to myself? I haven't
bought the illusion yet, so I'm not sure whether I'm right or wrong.
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QUOTE (Fasto @ Nov 3 2007, 04:17 PM)
I've watched it a couple of times, and I think I have an idea as to
what the psychological principle that was mentioned might be.
Due to the discussion about exposure, I think I'd better ask first -
can I mention my guess here, or shall I keep it to myself? I haven't
bought the illusion yet, so I'm not sure whether I'm right or wrong.
fine by me to speculate-afterall there area lot of illusions i know
the workings to and a great deal MORE that i don't
general methodologies are discussed all over this section but in depth
workings and the subtleties very rarely-so speculate away
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Well I'm curious whether the illusion works for the people standing
behind the platform...
Maybe the dancers simply ran past them in full view.
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Ok first i would like to say hi i was a long time member on the
original SOMF website until mike took over. i have been so busy for a
long time magic just left me i then have more time now and have
started it back up.
now for this whole post to come to an end. Julian bond is perhaps the
best magican i have seen in duplicating illusions for the famous DC.
his methods are so amazing yet simple. i can be honest and say i
personally never bought ne of his pdf files but were given free by him
i used them all at my magic show. these included an opener apperance
of me on my uncles harley bike in a box. i used his home video
prediction and his troupe vanish. i did this show infront of about 250
audience members. at the end of the show all they were taking about
were these 3 illusions. magicians were baffled that i recreated some
of DC popular illusions and were stunned. i told julianthat i would
get clips of these 3 performances but my moms camera died on her about
10 minutes into the show and unfortuinatley the angles she was
standing at were poor.
all i have to say is that julain bond is a master at illusions and
designs that u can build for less than 100$
this is how much it costed me to build these illusions
troupe vanish 185$ using a 2.5 inch platform heavy enought to hold 1
ton ( 2000 lbs) and 2 inch aluminum steel pipes. extremely upgraded
materials but non the less can be built with a normal platform and pvc
pipes. i went the extra mile and made mine more professional. i used
the same mathod as julian bond did however presentation and how i
performed it was different.
bike in box 100$ for this julian since i was on a stage i used a
differnt method but same principal as the troupe vanish but instead of
audience memebrs leaving thats how i got the bike on. for people who
know what i am talking about u would understand. of course this was
surrounded. great idea from julian although not really same method as
bike in box same principal as the troupe vanish.
lastly home video prediction doesnt really cost much besides that
props like a force bag and force deck and what not. i used differnt
items but still great effect.
anyways i love to do illusions but hate the price of them. julian bond
creates illusions which can be desned for cheap.
anyways iwill not reveal the secrets to ne of these tricks unless
permission from julian bond myself. but would really recommend u
purchasing the effects and creating new magic with the methods just
like i did.
PS. JULIAN THNAKS AGAIN HEY I HAVE BEEN ALWAYS ON YOUR SITE FOR QUITE
SOMETIME AND WOULD LOVE TO C UR NEW ILLUSIONS U HAVE BEEN CREATING
IF U COULD I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR AS TO WHAT NEW ILLUSIONS U R WORKING
ON OR WILLSOON BE FOR SALE.
ALSO CONGRATS ON UR BABY
SINCERLEY , BLACKshadow
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That's fantastic Blackshadow...
It just goes to prove what we've been saying about Julian's
manuscripts...
they teach you a lot and with some creativity you can turn them into
something totally different...
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MagicMan Posted: Nov 6 2007, 09:54 AM
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Hey up BS, and welcome back. Now I can respect your not wanting to
disclose the ACTUAL writings of Julian Bond, but since you have
reworked the manuscripts and built DIFFERENT illusions, how about some
tuts on what you have done. This is after all a secret sharing site.
Thanks in advance.
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well the thing is if i explain the secret as to how i accomplished
david copperfields bike in box shadow illusion i will be kinda
revealing the basic idea/ method of the troupe vanish. even if i were
to give u the secret it would not explain the whole trick entirley so
even with the method u still have to wonder how do u do it surrounded
how is it accomplished so fast and even though the simplicity of the
trick/ method it takes great showmenship to perform.
i understand that this is a revealing site and i will reveal how i did
my version of bike in the box i do want u to know that i dedicate this
to julian bond who inspired me to go the extra distance and rather
than just perform a trick tocreate new inovative ones.
| <------- curtain
|
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AUDIENCE <------------- BOX RAISED | motocycle is on 2x 8 board
ON PLATFORM |----------------------------------
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stage
now for the explanation i created a somewhat shadow box except with
light.
what happens is the box is raised on a platform to show no trap doors
or possable way for loading behind the curtain stage. what hapeens is
that the box is opened all the way round and shown to be completley
empty i invite about 15 people on stage only 5 are stooges those r the
ones benhind the box that see everything. they all join hands then box
is closed on three sides only back and 2 sides leaving front open.
( this is simmilar to dc version). once those sides are closed a board
is fed thru the back of the curtain and placed on the back of the
platform. i left about 3 inches around the platform. then bike is fed
thru on board awaiting to be loaded from behind box, keep in mind that
no audience memebrs c this as the back side is closed. this is all
down as i say stuff magical stuff lol. then the final front is closed
and bike is fully loaded.board is taken away and walah.
so that is my method hope u understand any questions id be sure to ask
sry for rough diagram.
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Thanks Man, I think this is what we are all about.
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GOOD INFO PAE,Q and mee and magic fingers:)
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CIRCLE RING IDEA
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