Basic reading
Simon Finnigan
I`m interested in learning how locks work and how to pick them (simple locks
to start with), more for an interest/something to do than to actually use.
I`m not planning on taking it up commercially.
I`ve got the MIT guide here to read through, but I was hoping to get points
towards other material to read. As it stands I know very little about how
locks work, so I`m interested in anything from the absolute basics right on
up. I`m in the UK, so ideally books published in the UK would be better
than having to import, but that obviously depends on whether the best books
are available over here. Ditto for a good starter set of picks - can anyone
suggest a good supplier to the UK of a set of picks to start learning with?
And finally, a good cheap supplier of locks so I can play about with a few
different types as times goes on would be useful.
Thank you in advance for your help.
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Simon,
check out the FAQ for this group.
0. Will people on this newsgroup give me information about
picking locks, etc.?
http://www.indra.com/archives/alt-locksmithing/#q0
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Simon Finnigan
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I have read the FAQ - the promising bit was "Most experienced people here
are quite willing to discuss the basics of lock construction and operation".
The only safe I have access to easily, I also have access to the keys for
it - I`m not interested in being able to pick my way into a safe, that way
lies danger. If money where to go missing from that (or any other safe I
may have access to over the years) and people know I can get into safes, how
long would it take to point the finger at me? :-) Whereas if I`m playing
about with it as a hobby (I tried juggling, but I have a real problem with
depth perception which makes it pretty much impossible) then it`s not the
same.
I`m prepared to go the reading and work myself, but hints as to what is a
good book to read, website to visit so that I can try and avoid wasting my
time would be most helpful.
'Key
just how could anyone here know your real intentions ?
certainly not just because you state them.
even if all the professionals on this group knew you
personally and believed that you were strait forward with
your intentions.
posting defeating instructions on this open forum for ALL
others to view wouldn't be such a good idea.
try searching Google for your info
http://www.google.com/
no flame intended Simon
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> are quite willing to discuss the basics of lock construction and operation".
The basics, yes; There are places we won't go. Generally, we'll discuss
how locks work, but not how to defeat them.
Simon Finnigan
I`d guess that being able to open normal door locks and the like is several
orders of magnitude easier than getting into a safe or an expensive, secure
door lock - if not that`s silly :-) I`m also not after instructions to open
any lock in particular, I`m interested in background reading and suggestions
for a good way to start teaching myself about locks, including how to bypass
them. I don`t want step by step instructions - if for no other reason than
that`s no fun. The fun and interest for me will be in learning the basics
and then figuring things out by and for myself.
Thanks!
'Key
again,
google is your friend.
http://www.google.com/
&
http://groups-beta.google.com/grphp?hl=en&tab=ng&ned=us&q=
g'luck
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Steve Paris
"Simon Finnigan" <si...@therealm.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I`m interested in learning how locks work and how to pick them (simple
> locks
> to start with), more for an interest/something to do than to actually use.
> I`m not planning on taking it up commercially.
>
The vast majority of locks you have in the UK are what's known as 'Lever
Locks', and as such, are far more difficult to pick than 'pin tumbler'
locks, which are in the majority in the USA and also just about everywhere
else. Also, I doubt if you will be able to purchase any picks over there as
you are not a registered tradesman, and it is illegal to carry lock picks if
you are not licensed. You'll have to make your own, and hope you don't get
caught with them. If people know you have picks, and are fooling around
picking locks open, and things go missing from here and there, you'll have a
Bobby banging on your door !
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Australia unless his ancestors had bobbies knocking on their doors.
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AGREE...
Steve is good folks.
Even if he is in that beautiful part of the world down under
:-)
I think we should all charter a plane and go visit...
"Lock It Don't Lose It"
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There were seveal good books recommended last year. Search this news
group in google, looking for the string 'books' and you are sure to
find it.
You can learn quite well that way.
Daniel
Stormin Mormon
unless I've personally known the person for two years.
You can find many forums on the web, but that's out of my control.
When I was new at locksmithing, I was completely fascinated by picking. Now,
after 20+ years in the trade, it's an important part of the job, but not
totally fascinating. There is so much more to the job.
The reasons I don't teach picking are several.
1) There is no way to know who is the person asking. Most people asking (or
lurking and reading the posts) are decent people, but a few are not. So,
I've decided simply not to say anything to anyone.
2) Picking locks is a "trade secret" like many other trades which have their
techniques and systems.
3) A very small part of the security of locks is that so few people know how
to pick them. So, by teaching lock picking, I make all locks less secure for
the world. Not what I want to do.
4) Purely selfishly, I learned lock picking the hard way, with lots of
practice, and you can do the same.
I wish you well. Hope this doesn't sound unkind, but the world isn't a nice
place sometimes.
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Stormin Mormon
unless I've personally known the person for two years.
You can find many forums on the web, but that's out of my control.
When I was new at locksmithing, I was completely fascinated by picking. Now,
after 20+ years in the trade, it's an important part of the job, but not
totally fascinating. There is so much more to the job.
The reasons I don't teach picking are several.
1) There is no way to know who is the person asking. Most people asking (or
lurking and reading the posts) are decent people, but a few are not. So,
I've decided simply not to say anything to anyone.
2) Picking locks is a "trade secret" like many other trades which have their
techniques and systems.
3) A very small part of the security of locks is that so few people know how
to pick them. So, by teaching lock picking, I make all locks less secure for
the world. Not what I want to do.
4) Purely selfishly, I learned lock picking the hard way, with lots of
practice, and you can do the same.
I wish you well. Hope this doesn't sound unkind, but the world isn't a nice
place sometimes.
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Christopher A. Young
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"Simon Finnigan" <si...@therealm.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
I`m prepared to go the reading and work myself, but hints as to what is a
Roger Shoaf
> I tried juggling, but I have a real problem with
> depth perception which makes it pretty much impossible
Go back to juggling, that should improve your depth perception as you get
instant feedback if you are wrong and you can continue to make slight
corrections until you get it right.
But until you get the hang of it I would avoid juggling things like knives,
bowling balls, eggs etc.
Steve Paris
depth perception which makes it pretty much impossible) then it`s not the
same.
Hmmmm,.... to juggle proportionately, you need to have a hole in 'both'
pockets, then you will always be on the ball.
dbs__...@tanj.com
> Speaking only for myself, my policy is that I don't teach picking techniques
> unless I've personally known the person for two years.
Did anyone else notice that chris posted this not once, but twice in repsonse
to a single post?
I thought RR.com had a rule against robotic posts to newsgroups. This sure
looks like a brainless, automatic post to me, as useless as any other spam.
Daniel
TekWar
If you really want to learn, do what I did!
I am currently enrolled in the Foley-Belsaw (www.foleybelsaw.com)
locksmithing course.
Best way to do it is request the information, then wait for them to send you
the $250 credit flyer (this takes a while, so be patient!). Makes the course
$599 ($15 down & $29 a month! Very affordable!) and you get their crappy
Model 200 key machine that they charge $279 for in their catalog. Thats
almost half the value of the course, and you get 65 total lessons, including
tools that you will need anyway (picks, pins, springs, key blanks, etc.),
that you get to keep if you don't use them in the lab projects. I am
learning and getting tools of the trade at a reasonable price!
You can also try to get a local locksmith to train you or check your local
community college for courses, but if you do it that way you won't get all
the goodies that can be used later to make money...
Ken
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SimonJ
> The vast majority of locks you have in the UK are what's known as 'Lever
> Locks', and as such, are far more difficult to pick than 'pin tumbler'
> locks, which are in the majority in the USA and also just about everywhere
> else.
>
a pin tumbler lock.
> Also, I doubt if you will be able to purchase any picks over there as
> you are not a registered tradesman,
>
http://www.locksmith-tools.co.uk
Both sell to the public, no questions asked.
> and it is illegal to carry lock picks if
> you are not licensed.
>
No it isn't