Installing Thunderbird
sherwin dubren
I downloaded all the files and unzipped them to my main folder.
What I don't see is an executable file or a way to kick off
the Thunderbird with an icon on the desktop.
Any suggestions to fix this?
Sherwin
Out-West
Did you do a configure, make and install after you unzipped the files?
Paul T.
Marti van Lin
Yes, try to understand that Ubuntu or GNU/Linux in general is _not_
Windows. You don't have to download zip files and manually unzip them.
All GNU/Linux distribution have a package manager.
On Ubuntu 9.10:
Menu Applications > Ubuntu Software Center.
Click the Internet icon and type "thun" in the search bar in the upper
right corner of the window.
Click on the > icon on the right side;
Click on Install;
Confirm.
Done.
Or use Synaptic to install multiple "programs".
The files will be automatically downloaded, "unzipped" and moved in the
right folder. After the installation process a new icon will
automatically appear in your applications menu.
HTH.
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J.O. Aho
> I just loaded Ubuntu 9.1 and am trying to add Thunderbird to it.
>
> I downloaded all the files and unzipped them to my main folder.
> What I don't see is an executable file or a way to kick off
> the Thunderbird with an icon on the desktop.
Why are you so microsoft? Do it the Linux way
sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
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Dr. Deb
Excuse me, but doesn't Ubuntu have repositories? Why not just install
Synaptic (why Ubuntu does not include this as part of the distro is as
weird as their not including an installed Ndiswrapper) and then just do the
updates/installs via Synaptic?>
Deb
Dan C
> sherwin dubren wrote:
>
>> I just loaded Ubuntu 9.1 and am trying to add Thunderbird to it.
>>
>> I downloaded all the files and unzipped them to my main folder. What I
>> don't see is an executable file or a way to kick off the Thunderbird
>> with an icon on the desktop.
>>
>> Any suggestions to fix this?
>>
>> Sherwin
>
>
> Excuse me, but doesn't Ubuntu have repositories? Why not just install
> Synaptic (why Ubuntu does not include this as part of the distro is as
It is included, and right there in the menu, dumb ass.
> weird as their not including an installed Ndiswrapper) and then just do
> the updates/installs via Synaptic?>
Why would they include some Windoze crutch piece of shit like that? Use
a native driver, or get supported hardware.
Sheesh. The n00bs just keep getting dumber.
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Out-West
Did you do a configure, make and install after you unzipped the files?
Paul T.
SM
> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:21:34 -0600, sherwin dubren wrote:
>
>> I just loaded Ubuntu 9.1 and am trying to add Thunderbird to it.
>>
>> I downloaded all the files and unzipped them to my main folder. What I
>> don't see is an executable file or a way to kick off the Thunderbird
>> with an icon on the desktop.
>>
>> Any suggestions to fix this?
>
>
You're just confusing the poor bastard even more with that.
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:wq
TJ
So far the responses haven't been particularly helpful, have they?
That's because they want you to do some more research on your own. Try
going to Google and typing in, "howto install Thunderbird Linux". You
should see number of responses. Try the first one. While it is for an
older version of Thunderbird, the procedure should work for you.
Google is your friend. Learn how to use it effectively.
TJ
Van Chocstraw
Why don't you just use Package Manager?
J.O. Aho
> sherwin dubren wrote:
>> I just loaded Ubuntu 9.1 and am trying to add Thunderbird to it.
>>
>> I downloaded all the files and unzipped them to my main folder.
>> What I don't see is an executable file or a way to kick off
>> the Thunderbird with an icon on the desktop.
>>
>> Any suggestions to fix this?
>>
>> Sherwin
>
> So far the responses haven't been particularly helpful, have they?
See that you haven't read the replies, can see at least two which tells
exactly how to install.
> Google is your friend. Learn how to use it effectively.
You can't expect microsoft users to use google to find answers ;)
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TJ
> TJ wrote:
>> sherwin dubren wrote:
>>> I just loaded Ubuntu 9.1 and am trying to add Thunderbird to it.
>>>
>>> I downloaded all the files and unzipped them to my main folder.
>>> What I don't see is an executable file or a way to kick off
>>> the Thunderbird with an icon on the desktop.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions to fix this?
>>>
>>> Sherwin
>> So far the responses haven't been particularly helpful, have they?
>
> See that you haven't read the replies, can see at least two which tells
> exactly how to install.
>
install that - which is what it reads like. I see suggestions that use
Ubuntu's package management system (I guess. I'm a Mandriva user
myself.) but nothing about getting it from Mozilla - which is what you
do if you want the latest and greatest. With Mandriva, there's often a
lag between the release of a new version and the Mandriva version
hitting the repositories. Perhaps it's dangerous to do so, but I assumed
the same can be true of Ubuntu.
Yes, I realize downloading directly from Mozilla is the Windows Way(TM),
and he would be better off using the repositories until he knows more of
what he's doing. But he didn't do it that way. <shrug.> It's not the end
of the world. Anyway, I think it's better to give him a bit of
instruction than to frustrate him all the way back to Windows.
>
>> Google is your friend. Learn how to use it effectively.
>
> You can't expect microsoft users to use google to find answers ;)
>
>
But there's always hope. Every newbie has to start somewhere.
TJ
J.O. Aho
> J.O. Aho wrote:
>> TJ wrote:
>>> sherwin dubren wrote:
>>>> I just loaded Ubuntu 9.1 and am trying to add Thunderbird to it.
>>>>
>>>> I downloaded all the files and unzipped them to my main folder.
>>>> What I don't see is an executable file or a way to kick off
>>>> the Thunderbird with an icon on the desktop.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions to fix this?
>>>>
>>>> Sherwin
>>> So far the responses haven't been particularly helpful, have they?
>>
>> See that you haven't read the replies, can see at least two which tells
>> exactly how to install.
>>
> Not if the OP downloaded the package from Mozilla and is trying to
> install that - which is what it reads like. I see suggestions that use
> Ubuntu's package management system (I guess. I'm a Mandriva user
> myself.) but nothing about getting it from Mozilla - which is what you
> do if you want the latest and greatest.
I don't agree with you, the binary compile from Mozilla for Linux (don't know
how it's for other operating systems), are quite poorly compiled, yes you
usually get a later version than you may get to mandriva or ubuntu, but you
get also a less stable one too.
Advising how the user who don't seem to be able to read a README file to use a
poorly compile package from Mozilla (if that is really which he downloaded,
seems to some odd zip file), isn't a good thing to do, better that the person
uses the package provided by the distribution.
> With Mandriva, there's often a
> lag between the release of a new version and the Mandriva version
> hitting the repositories. Perhaps it's dangerous to do so, but I assumed
> the same can be true of Ubuntu.
There are reasons why there is a lag between the distributions release and the
Mozilla release, it has to do with stability.
> Yes, I realize downloading directly from Mozilla is the Windows Way(TM),
> and he would be better off using the repositories until he knows more of
> what he's doing. But he didn't do it that way. <shrug.> It's not the end
> of the world. Anyway, I think it's better to give him a bit of
> instruction than to frustrate him all the way back to Windows.
He really should learn to use the distributions repository, he will be far
happier when he relies that he can install most of the applications this way,
goes faster and easier than the windows way and he don't have to worry about
instability.
>>> Google is your friend. Learn how to use it effectively.
>> You can't expect microsoft users to use google to find answers ;)
> But there's always hope. Every newbie has to start somewhere.
Sure, and luckily not everyone of the newbies has been so badly stupefied by
microsoft and twitter that they can't anymore make rational actions.
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Shadow
Just use synaptic. I wouldn't use the command prompt unless
you are some DOS lover. (or linux-command-line lover , or did I repeat
myself ?).
:P
http://www.debianadmin.com/simple-package-management-with-synaptic-package-manager-in-ubuntu.html
TJ
> Advising how the user who don't seem to be able to read a README file to use a
> poorly compile package from Mozilla (if that is really which he downloaded,
> seems to some odd zip file), isn't a good thing to do, better that the person
> uses the package provided by the distribution.
>
>
I sit corrected. Obviously, even Mozilla would rather that newbies use
their distros' package managers. My first clue should have been that
infamous README file included in the tar.gz download, which for
Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 directs you to the Mozilla website for installation
instructions. That's it. Years ago, the website had some nice
easy-to-follow instructions, but now this is all they have:
"Please note that installing Thunderbird 2 will overwrite your existing
installation of Thunderbird. You won't lose any of your mail, but some
of your extensions and other add-ons might not work until updates for
them are made available."
When I saw that Mozilla was making it so difficult for the uninitiated
to install from their own package, I should have known enough to just
drop the whole thing. But you see, it takes several blows from a large
hammer before anything can trickle through my skull.
But I now know what I'm supposed to do. Should there be a next time,
I'll let you omniscient gurus knock the newbie around a while as I
quietly watch with glee, salivating like the rest of you at the prospect
that he might crawl away, whimpering. It should be great sport!
TJ
sherwin dubren
problem for me with authorization.
When I installed Ubuntu, I don't remember the install asking for an
administrator password. It did allow me to create a user id and
password.
How can I sign on to Ubuntu as an adminstrator, at this point?
Sherwin
J.O. Aho
> I can see Synaptic on a drop down menu, but trying to activate it is a
> problem for me with authorization.
>
> When I installed Ubuntu, I don't remember the install asking for an
> administrator password. It did allow me to create a user id and
> password.
*ubuntu don't use a traditional root user, but the first user created will
automatically belong to the sudoer group, which allows the user to do root
privilege requiring tasks with help of sudo (and gnome2 uses a graphical equal
program), by requesting the user to enter it's login password.
> How can I sign on to Ubuntu as an adminstrator, at this point?
You don't, it's to protect you from doing a microsoft mistake where the whole
system is wide open for bad software to make havoc.
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sherwin dubren
> sherwin dubren wrote:
>> I just loaded Ubuntu 9.1 and am trying to add Thunderbird to it.
>>
>> I downloaded all the files and unzipped them to my main folder.
>> What I don't see is an executable file or a way to kick off
>> the Thunderbird with an icon on the desktop.
>>
>> Any suggestions to fix this?
>
> Yes, try to understand that Ubuntu or GNU/Linux in general is _not_
> Windows. You don't have to download zip files and manually unzip them.
>
> All GNU/Linux distribution have a package manager.
>
> On Ubuntu 9.10:
>
> Menu Applications > Ubuntu Software Center.
>
> Click the Internet icon and type "thun" in the search bar in the upper
> right corner of the window.
>
> Click on the > icon on the right side;
>
> Click on Install;
>
> Confirm.
>
> Done.
>
> Or use Synaptic to install multiple "programs".
>
> The files will be automatically downloaded, "unzipped" and moved in the
> right folder. After the installation process a new icon will
> automatically appear in your applications menu.
>
> HTH.
>
However, I don't know where it put it and/or how to access it.
I also would like to create an icon for it on the desktop.
A web site suggests using 'Create Launcher' from the desktop,
but I have no such option.
Using your second suggestion, I tried to use Synaptic to install
mozilla mail-news, but the program required me to mark three
programs of seamonkey. It would not allow me to install
mozilla because it could not mark the other programs. I then
tried to install seamonkey, which it seemed to accept. However,
I cannot find the seamonkey program. It is not on the desktop
or in my only user folder.
Sherwin
sherwin dubren
Sherwin
sherwin dubren
probably still in High School. In those days, there was no icon
driven Unix. Everything was done from the command line. I am a bit
rusty on my basic Unix skills, but I hope to catch up soon. Your
remarks show some ignorance about people's skills and intelligence.
I have done some GUI development in Windows and wrote several
complicated programs, including device drivers. Just don't assume
that all the Windows people are dummies. Linux has a long way to go
with their help functions to get to the level of Windows. My first
impressions are that it is a confusing mess of dozens of different
interfaces. I am not impressed with Ubuntu.
Sherwin
J.O. Aho
Check your "start menu" and then take a look at the internet submenu.
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sherwin dubren
Exactly! I went down the same path a week ago and received the same
abreviated messages.
Since posting my inquiry on how to install this package, I have
received well over a dozen different approaches. Not that I don't
appreciate the help, but why all this confusion?
Sherwin
sherwin dubren
I tried it and was forced to load SeaMonkey instead.
I'm not sure where it put SeaMonkey, or how to
access it.
Sherwin
David W. Hodgins
> However, I don't know where it put it and/or how to access it.
Open a terminal such as konsole, and enter "thunderbird".
> I also would like to create an icon for it on the desktop.
Depends on which desktop you are using (I'm using Mandriva 2010.0
with kde4). In kde4, you have to right click on a blank part of
the desktop, and "unlock widgets", then find the entry for the
application in the menu (for thunderbird, look under the Internet
entry), then right click on the menu entry and select copy to
desktop. For most other desktop managers, you can drak the icon
from the menu to the desktop.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
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TJ
>
> Since posting my inquiry on how to install this package, I have
> received well over a dozen different approaches. Not that I don't
> appreciate the help, but why all this confusion?
>
> Sherwin
(Required disclaimer) I can only give my own opinion on that,
conclusions I've drawn with insufficient data from personal
observations. Be aware that said conclusions may be, and probably are,
completely inaccurate.
The confusion stems from the very nature of Linux, and its present stage
of development. Unlike Microsoft and Apple, there is no central
authority to say "you can use these systems of installing software and
no others." Nor do we want there to be - yet. While all distros can use
the "standard" Linux methods of installing software, each one uses a
somewhat different package management system as its preferred method.
For example, I use Mandriva, which uses an rpm system, which in turn was
originally developed for Red Hat. Ubuntu uses a deb system, developed by
Debian. The two are not compatible. There are others, too. Eventually, I
believe, one or two methods will evolve to supersede the others, but
it's a gradual, natural process that will take time. Perhaps much time.
But in the end, Linux users will have the system *we* want, because it
is *we* who will decide what we use.
TJ
TJ
of deciding to only use root for administrative tasks all by myself. I
don't need Big Brother dictating what I can and cannot do "for my own
protection."
YMMV.
TJ
TJ
> I don't know what your problem is, but I was using Unix while you were
> probably still in High School. In those days, there was no icon
> driven Unix. Everything was done from the command line. I am a bit
> rusty on my basic Unix skills, but I hope to catch up soon. Your
> remarks show some ignorance about people's skills and intelligence.
> I have done some GUI development in Windows and wrote several
> complicated programs, including device drivers. Just don't assume
> that all the Windows people are dummies. Linux has a long way to go
> with their help functions to get to the level of Windows. My first
> impressions are that it is a confusing mess of dozens of different
> interfaces. I am not impressed with Ubuntu.
>
> Sherwin
Nether am I, but that's a discussion for another thread. But I'm afraid
I drew some erroneous conclusions based on your original post, too. I
apologize. It's just that there are so *many* clueless Windows users out
there that one who isn't quite so clueless is a rarity here, or in any
Linux newsgroup. Perhaps you would get more specific help if you posted
to an Ubuntu newsgroup.
TJ
BTW, when it comes to Ubuntu, I'm probably just as clueless as you are.
J.O. Aho
It's still possible to create a traditional root user, but I believe that
*ubuntu has microsoft users as their main target where it could end with that
they would just run the Linux as root users and have the same bad experience
as they had with windows.
Myself I hate that sudo, but I have not much option as we use ubuntu LTS as
the default Linux at work, at least I can pick my own distro on my
workstation. There are other reasons why I don't like ubuntu and never is a
distribution I do recommend for anyone, I really don't recommend one over
another, this mainly I think the users who wants to use Linux should find the
distribution which feels most right for them (nowadays we have those nice
LiveCDs).
--
//Aho
Moe Trin
<hfdqap$1r0$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, TJ wrote:
>J.O. Aho wrote:
>> sherwin dubren wrote:
>>> How can I sign on to Ubuntu as an adminstrator, at this point?
>> You don't, it's to protect you from doing a microsoft mistake where
>> the whole system is wide open for bad software to make havoc.
>That's the biggest thing I don't like about Ubuntu.
If that's the case, you haven't set your standards very high.
>I am quite capable of deciding to only use root for administrative
>tasks all by myself. I don't need Big Brother dictating what I can
>and cannot do "for my own protection."
If you're skilled enough to know this, you should also be skilled
enough to know how to create a root login - takes all of 15 seconds
because you have to type the password twice. I find the nanny and
helper programs in many of the ``popular'' Linux distributions to be
an absolute pain in the ass. With some, you can remove or otherwise
disable this crap, while others have integrated the helpers to the
extent that the easiest solution is to simply install a different
distribution that isn't aimed at users with the intelligence of a
brain damaged turkey.
Old guy
Moe Trin
>Van Chocstraw wrote:
>> Why don't you just use Package Manager?
> I tried it and was forced to load SeaMonkey instead.
> I'm not sure where it put SeaMonkey, or how to
> access it.
Else-thread, you state you were using UNIX many years ago. Thus, you
should be aware of man pages. How about
[compton ~]$ whatis find dselect dpkg
find (1) - search for files in a directory hierarchy
dselect (1) - Debian package management frontend
dpkg (8) - a medium-level package manager for Debian
[compton ~]$
Someone suggested you look at the Usenet newsgroup
'alt.os.linux.ubuntu', but if you think you were mistreated in
this group, the trolls and wankers in that group will likely make
things worse for you, unless your news reader has a working killfile.
Old guy
sherwin dubren
Who says microsoft is wide open? Are you speaking from experience or
just some rumors? I am not trying to defend Windows, but with it's
faults, I don't think this is one of them.
Sherwin
sherwin dubren
one more access to the system than Windows. Yes, you can play with
the registry in Windows, but most Windows users don't even know what
that is. There are numerous warnings to back up the registry if
changes are advised.
Sherwin
sherwin dubren
> On Sat, 05 Dec 2009, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.linux, in article
> <hfdqap$1r0$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, TJ wrote:
>
>> J.O. Aho wrote:
>
>>> sherwin dubren wrote:
>
>>>> How can I sign on to Ubuntu as an adminstrator, at this point?
>
>>> You don't, it's to protect you from doing a microsoft mistake where
>>> the whole system is wide open for bad software to make havoc.
>
>> That's the biggest thing I don't like about Ubuntu.
>
> If that's the case, you haven't set your standards very high.
>
>> I am quite capable of deciding to only use root for administrative
>> tasks all by myself. I don't need Big Brother dictating what I can
>> and cannot do "for my own protection."
>
> If you're skilled enough to know this, you should also be skilled
> enough to know how to create a root login - takes all of 15 seconds
> because you have to type the password twice.
Exactly where and how does one do that?
You only get one try at the password in Ubuntu. You then have to
request another signon, and you are back to where you started.
Sherwin
sherwin dubren
> On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:58:26 -0500, sherwin dubren
> <sher...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> However, I don't know where it put it and/or how to access it.
>
> Open a terminal such as konsole
konsole ot a recognizable entity
I did find Seamonkey in my usr/share library but was unsure
how to invoke it.
I did find Seamonkey hiding under the 'Internet' icon. I was
able to call up Seamonkey easily, once I found it.
, and enter "thunderbird".
Thunderbird is not runnable with Seamonkey in the system. As
I mentioned earlier, Thunderbird was not able to activate
because of ties to Seamonkey, which is supposed to replace it.
>
>> I also would like to create an icon for it on the desktop.
>
> Depends on which desktop you are using (I'm using Mandriva 2010.0
> with kde4)
kde4 is another file on my system that is hiding somewhere. I
can't find an icon for it anywhere, and there is no obvious
way to call it out as a terminal.
In kde4, you have to right click on a blank part of
> the desktop, and "unlock widgets", then find the entry for the
> application in the menu (for thunderbird, look under the Internet
> entry), then right click on the menu entry and select copy to
> desktop. For most other desktop managers, you can drak the icon
> from the menu to the desktop.
I was able to generate an icon for Seamonkey by right clicking on
it's icon under Internet and choosing the option to put it on
the desktop. Real easy, if you can find the right stuff.
Sherwin
>
> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>
Dan C
You may be the dumbest piece of shit seen in here in many a moon.
Bugger off and go play in traffic, you ignorant Win-droid.
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J.O. Aho
> David W. Hodgins wrote:
>> On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:58:26 -0500, sherwin dubren
>> <sher...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> However, I don't know where it put it and/or how to access it.
>>
>> Open a terminal such as konsole
>
> konsole ot a recognizable entity
>
> I did find Seamonkey in my usr/share library but was unsure
> how to invoke it.
It's really a directory, libraries you find in directories like /lib, /usr/lib
and /usr/local/lib (libraries can be found in other directories too, but these
are the main ones).
To find files you have three good tools (depending on what is installed on
your system):
find: search for files in a directory hierarchy
locate: index and quickly search for all files on your system regardless of
ownership
whereis: locate the binary, source, and manual page files for a command
The last one is good to find binaries/scripts that are in your $PATH.
Usually those applications you install with your package manager will install
a binary or a script in a directory in your $PATH and those simple to start by
opening a terminal window and type the name, eg: seamonkey
> I did find Seamonkey hiding under the 'Internet' icon. I was
> able to call up Seamonkey easily, once I found it.
Think that is called submenu even if you use windows, icons would be what you
have on your desktop (except in KDE4 which has widgets only)
>
> , and enter "thunderbird".
>
> Thunderbird is not runnable with Seamonkey in the system. As
> I mentioned earlier, Thunderbird was not able to activate
> because of ties to Seamonkey, which is supposed to replace it.
No, it's two different applications from Mozilla, SeaMonkey is the renamed
Mozilla suite which includes mail, irc, WYSIWYG HTMLs editor, Address book and
web browser in one, this is the origin of Firefox and Thunderbird.
You can have both SeaMonkey and Thunderbird installed at the same time, but
mail settings aren't shared between them, nor is the address book.
>> Depends on which desktop you are using (I'm using Mandriva 2010.0
>> with kde4)
>
> kde4 is another file on my system that is hiding somewhere. I
> can't find an icon for it anywhere, and there is no obvious
> way to call it out as a terminal.
KDE4 is a desktop environment, to select to use it instead of gnome2, you need
to select to use KDE4 during the time you login in to your system (see your
session settings in GDM to see which DE/WM you can choose to run).
To run KDE4 application, just type the name in the terminal and also it should
appear in you "start" menu, if not the ubuntians have crippled the menu.
> I was able to generate an icon for Seamonkey by right clicking on
> it's icon under Internet and choosing the option to put it on
> the desktop. Real easy, if you can find the right stuff.
Not that different from microsoft.
--
//Aho
Marti van Lin
> On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:34:18 -0600, sherwin dubren wrote:
>
>> J.O. Aho wrote:
>>> sherwin dubren wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can see Synaptic on a drop down menu, but trying to activate it is
>>>> a problem for me with authorization.
>>>>
>>>> When I installed Ubuntu, I don't remember the install asking for an
>>>> administrator password. It did allow me to create a user id and
>>>> password.
>>> *ubuntu don't use a traditional root user, but the first user created
>>> will automatically belong to the sudoer group, which allows the user to
>>> do root privilege requiring tasks with help of sudo (and gnome2 uses a
>>> graphical equal program), by requesting the user to enter it's login
>>> password.
>>>
>>>
>>>> How can I sign on to Ubuntu as an adminstrator, at this point?
>>> You don't, it's to protect you from doing a microsoft mistake where the
>>> whole system is wide open for bad software to make havoc.
>>>
>>>
>> Who says microsoft is wide open? Are you speaking from experience or
>> just some rumors? I am not trying to defend Windows, but with it's
>> faults, I don't think this is one of them.
>>
>> Sherwin
>
> You may be the dumbest piece of shit seen in here in many a moon.
>
> Bugger off and go play in traffic, you ignorant Win-droid.
I am afraid you are right. He's simply trolling.
Cheers
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TJ
> On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:58:26 -0500, sherwin dubren
> <sher...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> However, I don't know where it put it and/or how to access it.
>
> Open a terminal such as konsole, and enter "thunderbird".
>
>> I also would like to create an icon for it on the desktop.
>
> Depends on which desktop you are using (I'm using Mandriva 2010.0
> with kde4). In kde4, you have to right click on a blank part of
> the desktop, and "unlock widgets", then find the entry for the
> application in the menu (for thunderbird, look under the Internet
> entry), then right click on the menu entry and select copy to
> desktop. For most other desktop managers, you can drak the icon
> from the menu to the desktop.
>
> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>
he's using. KDE would be the default for Kubuntu, though I think like
Mandriva it's possible to install both desktop environments on either one.
Konsole being KDE's terminal program, it might not even be installed.
He'd need to look for something like Gnome Terminal.
TJ
sherwin dubren
As far as trolling, I say B.S. I have posted legitimate questions
about getting Linux to work on my PC. You people treat Linux like
a religion. Whoa-is-be to anyone stepping on your holy O.S. As
I said before, I am not trying to sell Windows here, just trying
to put the record straight when I hear stupid remarks about it.
Both O.S.'s have their advantages and disadvantages. To simply
dismiss Windows as a piece of junk is just plain ignorance. There
are a few religions like this who claim you are not getting into
heaven unless you accept their beliefs. Give me a break.
Sherwin
sherwin dubren
Now who is being a troll? This guy is sick.
David W. Hodgins
> Dan followed me over to another Linux group with a nasty remark.
Dan was the first regular poster to alt.os.linux.mandriva who I
added to my copy of /etc/leafnode/filters.
To his credit, unlike most trolls, he has never morphed his email
address, that I know of.
This is usenet. Learn how to filter out the articles from people
who you've decided, their articles, are not worth reading.
Dan C
LOL! I "followed" you? ROFL!
I've been in many/most Linux newsgroups long before you were around, you
ignorant drooling Win-droid n00b.
Bugger off.
Van Chocstraw
That's ridiculous. If you select Thunderbird you get Thunderbird, not
Seamonkey.
TJ
Dan didn't follow you anywhere. He's been regularly checking into all
the Linux newsgroups he knows of for years. He seems to think it's his
mission to "expose" anybody who doesn't fit his rigidly-defined
definition of a "proper" Linux user as a "Windroid." That includes
anybody who doesn't dump all Windows loyalty before daring to post to a
Linux newsgroup. (I think he was frightened by a Bill Gates look-alike
as a child.) You haven't arrived until he delivers a nasty remark to you.
Your best course of action is either to ignore him, or killfile him.
Almost everybody who's been in a Linux newsgroup for any length of time
does.
TJ
sherwin dubren
Well, seeing is believing. When I went to install Thunderbird,
Ubuntu told me I had to install two packages from Seamonkey
first. I tried unsuccessfully to do that. Don't ask me why
Ubuntu behaved this way. I didn't write the package.
Only after doing a complete install of SeaMonkey was I able
to install the Thunderbird.
Now I am trying to do an upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.0 which is not
in the repository of Ubuntu yet. I was able to download it
and extract (untar) it under Ubuntu, but it would not execute
from the resultant folder using ./SeaMonkey. I thought I
uninstalled the older SeaMonkey first, but it keeps coming
up when I click on what I think should be the newest icon.
Sherwin
Dan C
> sherwin dubren wrote:
>> sherwin dubren wrote:
>>> I think you are both wrong. Dan is nothing but a sewer mouth.
>>>
>>> As far as trolling, I say B.S. I have posted legitimate questions
>>> about getting Linux to work on my PC. You people treat Linux like a
>>> religion. Whoa-is-be to anyone stepping on your holy O.S. As I
>>> said before, I am not trying to sell Windows here, just trying to
>>> put the record straight when I hear stupid remarks about it. Both
>>> O.S.'s have their advantages and disadvantages. To simply dismiss
>>> Windows as a piece of junk is just plain ignorance. There are a few
>>> religions like this who claim you are not getting into heaven unless
>>> you accept their beliefs. Give me a break.
>>>
>>> Sherwin
>> Dan followed me over to another Linux group with a nasty remark.
>>
>> Now who is being a troll? This guy is sick.
>
> Dan didn't follow you anywhere. He's been regularly checking into all
> the Linux newsgroups he knows of for years.
Well, that's not really accurate. I "know of" far more groups than I
bother reading.
> He seems to think it's his
> mission to "expose" anybody who doesn't fit his rigidly-defined
> definition of a "proper" Linux user as a "Windroid." That includes
> anybody who doesn't dump all Windows loyalty before daring to post to a
> Linux newsgroup.
Well, somebody's got to do it. <shrug>
> Your best course of action is either to ignore him, or killfile him.
> Almost everybody who's been in a Linux newsgroup for any length of time
> does.
Not very accurate, either.
Dan C
He's even more stupid than you are, if you can believe that.
Dan C
Jesus. The vastness of the cluelessness is staggering. Almost
unimaginable, really.
Loki Harfagr
> On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:31:33 -0500, TJ wrote:
>
>> sherwin dubren wrote:
>>> sherwin dubren wrote:
>>>> I think you are both wrong. Dan is nothing but a sewer mouth.
>>>>
>>>> As far as trolling, I say B.S. I have posted legitimate questions
>>>> about getting Linux to work on my PC. You people treat Linux like
>>>> a religion. Whoa-is-be to anyone stepping on your holy O.S. As I
>>>> said before, I am not trying to sell Windows here, just trying to
>>>> put the record straight when I hear stupid remarks about it. Both
>>>> O.S.'s have their advantages and disadvantages. To simply dismiss
>>>> Windows as a piece of junk is just plain ignorance. There are a
>>>> few religions like this who claim you are not getting into heaven
>>>> unless you accept their beliefs. Give me a break.
>>>>
>>>> Sherwin
>>> Dan followed me over to another Linux group with a nasty remark.
>>>
>>> Now who is being a troll? This guy is sick.
Problem with virtual worlds is that in public rooms you'll find out
that behind most virtual person there's the real world one, some
may be sick, some may be strange and just like in the 'real world'
you won't know which and who, Dan C simplified the problem and
adopted a single way fence entry, tactically quite clever, on a
strategy POV that'd make a few weeks of discussion ,--+) or not.
>> Dan didn't follow you anywhere. He's been regularly checking into all
>> the Linux newsgroups he knows of for years.
>
> Well, that's not really accurate. I "know of" far more groups than I
> bother reading.
sort of, in a way I'd feel like I read far more posts in far
more groups than I'd bother reading.
>> He seems to think it's his
>> mission to "expose" anybody who doesn't fit his rigidly-defined
>> definition of a "proper" Linux user as a "Windroid." That includes
>> anybody who doesn't dump all Windows loyalty before daring to post to a
>> Linux newsgroup.
>
> Well, somebody's got to do it. <shrug>
and then some others have to do the shrugging stuff, sigh...->
>> Your best course of action is either to ignore him, or killfile him.
>> Almost everybody who's been in a Linux newsgroup for any length of time
>> does.
>
> Not very accurate, either.
If it were an opinion I'd second yours but that's just a fact so
I'll confirm it's a true one, quite rare enough to be mentioned ;-)
TJ
> TJ wrote:
>
>> With Mandriva, there's often a
>> lag between the release of a new version and the Mandriva version
>> hitting the repositories. Perhaps it's dangerous to do so, but I assumed
>> the same can be true of Ubuntu.
>
> There are reasons why there is a lag between the distributions release and the
> Mozilla release, it has to do with stability.
>
>
Thunderbird 3.0 has been released by Mozilla. It should be interesting
to see how long it takes it to trickle down to Mandriva 2010.0.
TJ
Avid Fan
I can see one problem, Linux is case sensitive ./seamonkey is what you
should be typing into the terminal. ./SeaMonkey is not the same thing.
Now all you have to do is create a menu entry in your Applications>Internet
System>Preferences>Main Menu
First delete the old Seamonkey icon from your menu.
Press the button +New Item and follow the steps to create a Launcher
that you can latter drag off the menu onto your desktop.
Avid Fan
> Van Chocstraw wrote:
>> sherwin dubren wrote:
>>> I just loaded Ubuntu 9.1 and am trying to add Thunderbird to it.
>>>
>>> I downloaded all the files and unzipped them to my main folder.
>>> What I don't see is an executable file or a way to kick off
>>> the Thunderbird with an icon on the desktop.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions to fix this?
>>>
>>> Sherwin
>>
>> Why don't you just use Package Manager?
>
> I tried it and was forced to load SeaMonkey instead.
> I'm not sure where it put SeaMonkey, or how to
> access it.
>
> Sherwin
System>Administration>Synaptic Package Manager
Try it again it could be some files that it shares because you have
seamonkey installed. Check under Applications>Internet to see if it is
installed. You can drag a copy of the launcher to the desktop if you
want to.
If you are keen to have the latest version of Firefox, Thunderbird or
Seamonkey you might want to have a look at:
http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ubuntuzilla/index.php?title=Main_Page
I am happy with the versions that are in the Ubuntu repositories.
Avid Fan
> J.O. Aho wrote:
>> TJ wrote:
>>>> TJ wrote:
>>>>> sherwin dubren wrote:
>>>>>> I just loaded Ubuntu 9.1 and am trying to add Thunderbird to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I downloaded all the files and unzipped them to my main folder.
>>>>>> What I don't see is an executable file or a way to kick off
>>>>>> the Thunderbird with an icon on the desktop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any suggestions to fix this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sherwin
>>>> See that you haven't read the replies, can see at least two which tells
>>>> exactly how to install.
>>>>
>>> Not if the OP downloaded the package from Mozilla and is trying to
>>> install that - which is what it reads like. I see suggestions that use
>>> Ubuntu's package management system (I guess. I'm a Mandriva user
>>> myself.) but nothing about getting it from Mozilla - which is what you
>>> do if you want the latest and greatest.
>>
>> I don't agree with you, the binary compile from Mozilla for Linux
>> (don't know
>> how it's for other operating systems), are quite poorly compiled, yes you
>> usually get a later version than you may get to mandriva or ubuntu,
>> but you
>> get also a less stable one too.
>>
>> Advising how the user who don't seem to be able to read a README file
>> to use a
>> poorly compile package from Mozilla (if that is really which he
>> downloaded,
>> seems to some odd zip file), isn't a good thing to do, better that the
>> person
>> uses the package provided by the distribution.
>>
>>
>>> With Mandriva, there's often a
>>> lag between the release of a new version and the Mandriva version
>>> hitting the repositories. Perhaps it's dangerous to do so, but I assumed
>>> the same can be true of Ubuntu.
>>
>> There are reasons why there is a lag between the distributions release
>> and the
>> Mozilla release, it has to do with stability.
>>
>>
>>> and he would be better off using the repositories until he knows more of
>>> what he's doing. But he didn't do it that way. <shrug.> It's not the end
>>> of the world. Anyway, I think it's better to give him a bit of
>>> instruction than to frustrate him all the way back to Windows.
>>
>> He really should learn to use the distributions repository, he will be
>> far
>> happier when he relies that he can install most of the applications
>> this way,
>> goes faster and easier than the windows way and he don't have to worry
>> about
>> instability.
>>
>>
>>>>> Google is your friend. Learn how to use it effectively.
>>>> You can't expect microsoft users to use google to find answers ;)
>>> But there's always hope. Every newbie has to start somewhere.
>>
>> Sure, and luckily not everyone of the newbies has been so badly
>> stupefied by
>> microsoft and twitter that they can't anymore make rational actions.
>>
> I don't know what your problem is, but I was using Unix while you were
> probably still in High School. In those days, there was no icon
> driven Unix. Everything was done from the command line. I am a bit
> rusty on my basic Unix skills, but I hope to catch up soon. Your
> remarks show some ignorance about people's skills and intelligence.
> I have done some GUI development in Windows and wrote several
> complicated programs, including device drivers. Just don't assume
> that all the Windows people are dummies. Linux has a long way to go
> with their help functions to get to the level of Windows. My first
> impressions are that it is a confusing mess of dozens of different
> interfaces. I am not impressed with Ubuntu.
>
> Sherwin
With the greatest of respect Sherwin, I don't think you have given
Ubuntu a fair trial. I find that that the easy stuff is easier than
Windows and the hard stuff is harder.
One of the best features of Ubuntu is the Synaptic package manager
System>Administration>Synaptic Package Manager
There is nothing like it in Windows. Type in what you want select it
press apply and voila it is installed on your machine ready for you to
use. Updates to the programs you install will come through automatically.
Yes there are many other ways of doing things 95% of the time this is
all you need. If you have not used the Synaptic you have not used Ubuntu.
rq
> I just loaded Ubuntu 9.1 and am trying to add Thunderbird to it.
>
> I downloaded all the files and unzipped them to my main folder.
> What I don't see is an executable file or a way to kick off
> the Thunderbird with an icon on the desktop.
>
> Any suggestions to fix this?
>
> Sherwin
sudo apt-get install thunderbird
Dan C
Nice. You respond to a post that is *FOUR* *MONTHS* old, and has already
been answered a dozen times.
You are so helpful!
--
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"Bother!" said Pooh, as he dropped another white rhino.
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sid
> On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 02:17:05 +0200, rq wrote:
>
>> On 12/1/2009 8:21 AM, sherwin dubren wrote:
>>> I just loaded Ubuntu 9.1 and am trying to add Thunderbird to it.
>>>
>>> I downloaded all the files and unzipped them to my main folder. What I
>>> don't see is an executable file or a way to kick off the Thunderbird
>>> with an icon on the desktop.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions to fix this?
>>>
>>> Sherwin
>> sudo apt-get install thunderbird
>
> Nice. You respond to a post that is *FOUR* *MONTHS* old, and has already
> been answered a dozen times.
>
> You are so helpful!
>
>
Those posts only just appeared on my NG server, so I think that is a
quick response.
Dan C
Sounds like you both need a new Usenet server/NSP. The post in question
is dated Dec 1, 2009 and that's when I saw it.
<shrug>
--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
"Bother!" said Pooh, as Piglet pulled out the Anal Intruder.
sid
> On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:50:09 +0100, sid wrote:
>
>> Dan C wrote:
>>> On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 02:17:05 +0200, rq wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/1/2009 8:21 AM, sherwin dubren wrote:
>>>>> I just loaded Ubuntu 9.1 and am trying to add Thunderbird to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I downloaded all the files and unzipped them to my main folder. What
>>>>> I don't see is an executable file or a way to kick off the
>>>>> Thunderbird with an icon on the desktop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions to fix this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sherwin
>>>> sudo apt-get install thunderbird
>>> Nice. You respond to a post that is *FOUR* *MONTHS* old, and has
>>> already been answered a dozen times.
>>>
>>> You are so helpful!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Those posts only just appeared on my NG server, so I think that is a
>> quick response.
>
> Sounds like you both need a new Usenet server/NSP. The post in question
> is dated Dec 1, 2009 and that's when I saw it.
>
> <shrug>
>
>
that's why it only appeared when the reply was posted.
Nothing wrong with the server, Zen are the best :P