Virtual software on Linux.
Avid Fan
hidden partition containing the OS if anything goes wrong.
You take the machine home and install a Linux distro mostly Dual boot.
Virtual software. Like VMware or Visualbox seems to require you to
purchase a new Windows Package or does it? If not how do you get around
this.
Ideally it would be nice to switch from Linux to Window when you need
it. I understand that is possible to mount your Windows partition but
this not much of a solution because Windows will detect the change and
do endless chkdisks and may ask you for your activation codes.
Michael John Ruff
If it is the OS as supplied by a manufacture like HP, ACER etc then you
will mot be able to install on a virtual PC as these are hardware
linked, and may not run in a Virtual PC due to reduce hardware support.
The License does state for Windows 1 PC so you would have to buy a legal
version, albeit there are many ways to circumvent activation available
you would be breaking copyright law.
Mike
Davey
I recently installed Virtualbox on a Dell that had originally come with Win
Millenium, later upgraded to XP. The Dell now has Ubuntu 8.04 installed.
When I added the Virtualbox, I used the XP upgrade disk, I had to briefly
install the Millenium disk for proof of a legal copy of Windows, and then
XP installed just as though it was a clean install. Some things don't seem
to work fully, such as it doesn't see all the drives and peripherals, which
may be part of the 'supplied OS' problem. But the Windows programs I have
tried have worked, such as Excel and Word.
But I certainly did not have to buy another Windows package.
--
Davey.
Stefan Patric
> Most people get a computer with Windows already installed and some
> hidden partition containing the OS if anything goes wrong.
>
> You take the machine home and install a Linux distro mostly Dual boot.
>
>
> Virtual software. Like VMware or Visualbox seems to require you to
> purchase a new Windows Package or does it? If not how do you get around
> this.
True. You need a Windows CD/DVD to install it on the VM just like a
"real" system. But look around. You may be able to find a utility that
will create an install CD/DVD from the one on your system. But I doubt
if one exists. And if it did, it would be an illegal process. Copyright
infringement, at least.
> Ideally it would be nice to switch from Linux to Window when you need
> it. I understand that is possible to mount your Windows partition but
> this not much of a solution because Windows will detect the change and
> do endless chkdisks and may ask you for your activation codes.
You could install Linux on a VM in Windows. I know VirtualBox has a
Windows version. Pretty sure VMWare does, too.
I've never tried running a VM OS installed on a real partition. VB does
not recommend it, but more for security reasons than anything else.
Stef
J.O. Aho
> Most people get a computer with Windows already installed and some
> hidden partition containing the OS if anything goes wrong.
>
> You take the machine home and install a Linux distro mostly Dual boot.
>
>
> Virtual software. Like VMware or Visualbox seems to require you to
> purchase a new Windows Package or does it? If not how do you get around
> this.
Depends what kind of license you have, some licenses allow you to use
unlimited number of microsoft installations on the same machine, while others
only allows one to beinstalled (Guest or Host). I can say that the cheapest
option in a virtual environment usually ends up as the most expensive (if you
run more than one microsoft).
In your case it may be better to emigrate your microsoft to a VM and skip the
dual boot part.
--
//Aho
Dan C
> Most people get a computer with Windows already installed and some
> hidden partition containing the OS if anything goes wrong.
How do you know this? How can you define "most people"?
> You take the machine home and install a Linux distro mostly Dual boot.
I don't.
> Virtual software. Like VMware or Visualbox seems to require you to
> purchase a new Windows Package or does it? If not how do you get around
> this.
>
> Ideally it would be nice to switch from Linux to Window when you need
> it. I understand that is possible to mount your Windows partition but
> this not much of a solution because Windows will detect the change and
> do endless chkdisks and may ask you for your activation codes.
Quit your trolling, Win-droid.
--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
"Bother!" said Pooh, as he wiped the vomit from his chin.
Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
Van Chocstraw
I don't really see anything you really need Windows for. Linux has
everything including WINE and Crossover Linux to run any necessary
Windows program. That said, you are better off to load the WIndows
version of VMware Player and/or Virtualbox and load you Linux, Unix,
Solaris and BSD operating systems to the VMs.
They don't give you a laptop discount if you have them remove Windows so
you are stuck with it and might as well use it to stay familiar.
If I could I would get only bald machines and use Linux exclusively. All
my Desktop PCs run Linux.
Avid Fan
Yes but you must have gotten original disks with your Dell computer.
You had the Windows 2000 disk and the XP upgrade disk. You must have
paid for the XP upgrade disk? Not that would have been much.
Now when you buy a computer you don't get original disks. There are
ways of generating "Recovery disks with the OS" but who knows what is on
them.
Davey
Correct. But I did not have to pay anything extra to put them on the
Virtualbox, which I thought was the question:
"Like VMware or Visualbox seems to require you to
purchase a new Windows Package or does it?".
--
Davey.
Avid Fan
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:49:53 +0000, Avid Fan wrote:
>
>> Most people get a computer with Windows already installed and some
>> hidden partition containing the OS if anything goes wrong.
>
> How do you know this? How can you define "most people"?
You are not a person you are an abusebot - you don't count.
>
>> You take the machine home and install a Linux distro mostly Dual boot.
>
> I don't.
That is because you are a shut in. Imagine the cost in dental work
alone if you went out side and inflicted your toxic personality on
other people. No the only thing that you use a computer for is to buy
cat food and abuse people on the Net because you are too gutless to do
it in real life.
>
> Quit your trolling, Win-droid.
>
Look who is talking. You are in Slackware, Mandriva, Ubuntu, Mint
newsgroups I have never seen you post from anything other than
Slackware. Do you use all those distros?
Dan C
>> Quit your trolling, Win-droid.
> Look who is talking. You are in Slackware, Mandriva, Ubuntu, Mint
> newsgroups I have never seen you post from anything other than
> Slackware. Do you use all those distros?
Yes.
Too bad you don't use any of them. Bugger off, poser.
Avid Fan
I see what you mean. If I want to learn how to use virtual box I think
the easiest thing to do is to run it in Windows.
I would still dual boot.
WINE does not work for everything. My work computer is Windows.
There always annoying things that you need Windows for eg I have a
TomTom (GPS Navigation) to get new maps etc you need Windows.
iTunes for iPods there is some Linux software but it is not the same.
As you say, you do not get a discount for getting rid of Windows so you
might as well keep it in case.
Avid Fan
Hi Mike,
I am with you. If I am going to use something and there is a price
attached, I will pay for it.
I know three people that have pirated Windows 7 and use it as their main
OS. One of them is prepared to pay for a quad core 64bit machine but is
too cheap to spend the $300 or so for a legit copy of Windows 7. He
keeps getting boxes that open and tell him that he is not using a
legitimate copy. He just closes the boxes and carries on.
Avid Fan
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:49:53 +0000, Avid Fan wrote:
>
>> Most people get a computer with Windows already installed and some
>> hidden partition containing the OS if anything goes wrong.
>>
>> You take the machine home and install a Linux distro mostly Dual boot.
>>
>>
>> Virtual software. Like VMware or Visualbox seems to require you to
>> purchase a new Windows Package or does it? If not how do you get around
>> this.
>
> True. You need a Windows CD/DVD to install it on the VM just like a
> "real" system. But look around. You may be able to find a utility that
> will create an install CD/DVD from the one on your system. But I doubt
> if one exists. And if it did, it would be an illegal process. Copyright
> infringement, at least.
I have not found one. I think that if I am the legal owner of the
Windows licence and did not have it in two places it probably would be
OK legally.
>
>> Ideally it would be nice to switch from Linux to Window when you need
>> it. I understand that is possible to mount your Windows partition but
>> this not much of a solution because Windows will detect the change and
>> do endless chkdisks and may ask you for your activation codes.
>
> You could install Linux on a VM in Windows. I know VirtualBox has a
> Windows version. Pretty sure VMWare does, too.
>
> I've never tried running a VM OS installed on a real partition. VB does
> not recommend it, but more for security reasons than anything else.
>
> Stef
I can't imagine what security issue would be there.
If I knew how to get Virtual Box pointed to my existing partition might
be attractive. More research needed.
Avid Fan
Stefan Patric
> Stefan Patric wrote:
>>
>> I've never tried running a VM OS installed on a real partition. VB
>> does not recommend it, but more for security reasons than anything
>> else.
>>
>> Stef
>
> I can't imagine what security issue would be there. If I knew how to get
> Virtual Box pointed to my existing partition might be attractive. More
> research needed.
If you have Windows installed on a real host partition, even running
Windows in a VM, and that VM gets infected with a virus, etc., it (the
malware) will have full access to that real Windows partition, which
could allow whatever malware access to the host hard drive(s) as a whole,
etc. Remember, traditionally Windows users all run with Administrator
access and privileges. If you have Windows installed on a virtual hard
drive, there is no direct access to the host system. I'd rather not take
the chance: Windows' idea of a security is to have heavily padlocked,
metal front and back doors, but then leave all the windows (pun intended)
open.
Stef
J.O. Aho
David W. Hodgins
> Virtual software. Like VMware or Visualbox seems to require you to
> purchase a new Windows Package or does it? If not how do you get around
> this.
When you buy the computer, insist on getting a windows install cd,
rather then having them install windows for you.
Then you can install linux, and then install windows under
VirtualBox.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
--
Change nomail.afraid.org to ody.ca to reply by email.
(nomail.afraid.org has been set up specifically for
use in usenet. Feel free to use it yourself.)
J.O. Aho
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:49:53 -0500, Avid Fan
> <avid...@notvalidexample.net> wrote:
>
>> Virtual software. Like VMware or Visualbox seems to require you to
>> purchase a new Windows Package or does it? If not how do you get around
>> this.
>
> When you buy the computer, insist on getting a windows install cd,
> rather then having them install windows for you.
>
> Then you can install linux, and then install windows under
> VirtualBox.
This depends on the microsoft license, even if you have the CD, don't
automatically mean you can install it on the machine and as a VM, OEM licenses
usually don't allow you this and thats what you get when you buy a computer.
Even if the computer don't come with a CD, you can require a CD from the
"manufacturer" (dell, hp, acer, what ever). They don't send you a CD with the
computer as they want to save a few more cents, so that the stock holders can
get more money (same reason why you don't get a audio cable between your
CD-Rom/DVD/BR unit and your audio card).
--
//Aho
Avid Fan
Dan C
Bugger off, Win-droid.
Van Chocstraw
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:49:53 -0500, Avid Fan
> <avid...@notvalidexample.net> wrote:
>
>> Virtual software. Like VMware or Visualbox seems to require you to
>> purchase a new Windows Package or does it? If not how do you get around
>> this.
>
> When you buy the computer, insist on getting a windows install cd,
> rather then having them install windows for you.
>
> Then you can install linux, and then install windows under
> VirtualBox.
>
> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>
Will that OEM version of Windows install work in a VM? Can they give you
the commercial version instead? or at least discount the difference?
I'll inquire about this next time I need a notebook.
Michael John Ruff
Best of luck on that as ACER, Dell and HP at least have the OS already
pre-installed and when you first boot it has to go through configuration
before the laptop/notebook is ready for use.
Some OEM installs of Windows may work in a VM but could fail as most
OEMs have there drivers slipstreamed on the disk/machine and some even
remove the generic drivers and only include theirs.
Mike
Van Chocstraw
I just installed a factory restore set from an older laptop that was
WIndows XP. It installed just fine but when you boot it up a blue screen
came up after the XP splash screen with errors and reboots before I
could read it.
I think it don't liked the VM simulated hardware or something.
Van Chocstraw
You don't need the CD for Windows. Just download the .iso and buy a
license key. You can install from .iso on Virtualbox and VMware
TJ
Yes, everybody should install a version of Windows in a virtual machine
- if for no other reason than to remind them of why they use Linux!
TJ
--
90 per cent of everything is crud.
- Theodore Sturgeon
J.O. Aho
No point, most people gets in contact with microsoft on almost daily bases, at
least for me it means each time that there been some kind of problem and no
proper way to debug why.
--
//Aho
TJ
forgetting that I'm not like most people. You see, since I'm the guy
paying the bills, I get to choose what OS I use at work and at home.
Most folks are stuck with the security of a regular paycheck, and the
cost that comes with it.
LSMFT
Windows XP as virtual machines on my OpenSUSE boxes. Just reminders of
past problems, novelties, toys or whatever. More like museums than VMs.