Southpaw's Furvey (Formerly known as BSP)
Southpaw
his fur, and says hello to his cave-mates. He heads off to his own
snug little chamber and busies himself filling out a long sheet with
numerous interesting questions.*
Hello, I'm back from holiday!
I posted a couple of weeks ago as "BigSoftPaw", in a rather confused
fashion, then promptly disappeared.
Well, I spent the intervening time considering life and furriness, and
here I am.
One small change: I called myself "BigSoftPaw" which was a name I
picked "on the spur of the moment", not having ever considered having
a furry name before. However, Seeing as I live at a somewhat Southern
latitude and am left-pawed, I think "Southpaw" would fit me well and
be easier to say.
Yourself
========
1. What is your name?
"Southpaw", Jere in RL
2. What is your email address?
jere(at)e3.co.nz
3. Are you male or female?
Male.
4. How old are you? / What is your date of birth?
27 - 16/12/1975
5. Where do you live?
Hamilton ("Hamtown"), New Zealand
6. What are your interests/hobbies?
Hiking, Snowboarding, Sailing, Geology
7. What do you do for a living?
I used to design databases and web applications; nowdays I am paid a
meagre sum by the government to study Geology.
8. How would you describe your personality?
Generally using words, although some facets might require growls and
paw gestures ;)
Friendly, generally positive (making the best of things), prone to
occasional bouts of loneliness, fear, and depression which are well
hidden from cave-mates and friends.
9. Do you believe in ESP? Do you consider yourself to be psychic?
Not as far as I know.
10. Are you a meat eater?
Yes.
Furry media
===========
11. Who are your favourite furry characters?
Brian the dog in Family Guy; The donkey from Shrek.
12. What type of furry artwork do you enjoy viewing?
I quite like realistic characters / art with just enough hint of
human characteristics, or fully realistic animal art. In cartoons I
like semi-realistic animal characters like Brian who make ironic or
insightful comment on the human condition. Ye Gods, that was
pretentious.
13. What type of furry literature do you enjoy reading?
Sci-Fi mostly, but that's mostly all I have read.
I loved Anne McAffery's dragons. She also wrote (with someone else)
the "Powers That Be" and "Power Lines" which featured a female
character who's husband / lover could turn into a seal... Very cool
although I was shocked by the blatant furryness of it at the time I
read it!
Also liked the "Mammoth" series by Stephen Baxter (??) - Loved the way
he saw mammoths as being sentient and quite "human" in some ways, but
also having their own unique culture and traditions. Also a strong
message about humans as "the lost", not fitting in with their
environment and never being satisfied.
14. What types of furry media do you create?
I write the odd bit of poetry and the odd story, and have been known
do draw a bit. It hasn't been very furry so far (see below) but I
expect it will be more so now.
15. What types of animal/furry themed decorations adorn your living
space?
I have always secretly wanted to put up some large animal pictures,
but I have been "repressing" furriness for a long time (very
dangerous!!) and have always resisted the temptation. Not any more,
perhaps! So far I have gone so far as to have a bear picture as
wallpaper on my PC.
16. Describe your ideal plushie.
Large, fluffy, and fairly realistic, except for a nudge towards
cuteness. Probably a lion, tiger, or bear.
Costumes and collars
====================
17. Do you enjoy wearing fursuits and/or furry accessories?
Due to being repressed, I haven't tried. Would love to try a
realistic bear suit sometime.
18. Do you feel 'furrier' when wearing a fursuit/collar/tail etc?
I probably would... Don't know.
19. Describe your favourite/ideal 'furry' appearance.
Probably a full realistic bear suit...
Furriness
=========
['phenotype' - the species of animal(s) that influence your feelings,
emotions and thoughts]
20. What are your phenotype(s)?
Large shaggy brown bear (Ursus Arctos).
21. How/when did you discover the identity/species of your phenotype?
I have vaguely thought I had bear-like characteristics for several
years now, but I only recently accepted it.
22. What conditions help you to enjoy/express your furriness?
Being outdoors... Sitting quietly and thinking... Non-verbal
communication with a friendly animal... Art...
23. How and when was your furriness first evident?
I guess it's been there as long as I can remember, but I have
repressed it. In the last couple of years it has grown much stronger.
24. How much of your furriness is 'instinct' vs 'learnt'?
It seems mostly instinct - I never consciously tried to do it or
practised it. It just seemed natural. (See Acting Furry below).
25. How does your furriness influence your thoughts and emotions?
I used to feel bad about it and try to repress it... But that didn't
work! Now I'm starting to see it as an important part of me... I'm not
sure exactly what that means yet but I think it is helping me to get
in touch with my inner thoughts and feelings and find balance.
26. Has your furriness improved the quality of your life?
So far, yes! At least, recognising it has helped (I feel more
comfortable with who I am than I ever have before), although it has
also been a time of great emotional turmoil.
In terms of my whole life so far, I would also say yes, although it
has seldom led to happiness. I think it has led to me being far more
open minded and tolerant, than I might otherwise have been. I can't
say that my life has been exactly successful or completely happy so
far, but I have always held that one should not regret or want to
change the past unless one is completely prepared to accept not being
the same in the present (if you follow...).
In other words, who we are today is a sum of our past experience, and
from where I sit now, I wouldn't want to change who I am today. I
always felt that my life had given me some small store of wisdom and
understanding which I cherished, even if the price was pain and
loneliness. And perhaps that is changing now!
27. What do you think caused your furriness?
Hmm... That's deep. Maybe I'll think about it and post more sometime.
Acting furry
============
28. How does your furriness manifest itself externally?
When I get up in the morning I like to take a deep breath and
stretch, and inhale the morning air. For a little while I like to
forget all the human worries and pressures and feel alive and free,
living for the moment. I like to go and stand outside when I first get
up, and smell the air (which usually stinks of car exhaust around
here, unfortunately), and get a feel for the day (ie nature, the
weather, etc). This is a bit limited when I'm in the city as I live
upstairs in a 2 storey concrete block cave in a fairly grotty suburb
with major roads nearby.
Similarly I like to go for walks by myself in the forest and
mountains, where I feel like I can relax and lose all responsibilities
and cares, and just be me. I love to soak up the outdoors atmosphere
and get a simple, sensual pleasure from moving and from the feel and
smell of the earth and forest. If the weather is warm, I like to go
about in bare feet and feel the grass and soil.
29. Do you act furry in public?
Probably not in a way anyone would notice, although I often feel like
I am on the inside. It has more to do with the way I see things and
the way I feel as I move as opposed to the actual things I do.
30. How does your furriness influence the way you interact with
people?
So far I think it has made me more confident and expressive - time
will tell.
31. How much control do you have over your furriness?;
So far I am in control - remains to be seen...
Furry thoughts
==============
32. Would you become an animal/furry, if you -couldn't- change back?
Maybe. Strangely there were many times in the past where I wished I
was an animal - but now I am starting to come to terms with myself a
bit more, I am maybe identifying more with other people too. Suddenly
I feel hopeful that I might be able to 'connect' more with people, in
which case I might not feel the desire to actually be an animal
anymore - maybe I will start to feel happy being human (with furry
tendencies!).
33. Describe your ideal physical form.
Bear, definitely - although perhaps with the ability to talk. Imagine
having a built in furry skin to keep warm and not having to bother
with cars, clothes, houses, or social rules!
34. What kind of furry, non-sexual fantasies do you have?
Roaming through my own patch of forest with snowy mountains around;
meeting and talking to other friendly animals when they chanced by;
Generally living a simple life. Eventually maybe meeting a nice
she-bear and settling down.
Religion/Spirituality
=====================
35. Is your furriness compatible with your religion?
That is an issue I haven't fully decided yet. Officially I am a
Christian (Anglican), but I parted company with the organised church
some years ago. "My Religion" is mine personally now as I have gone
through Christianity and basically rejected a lot which just doesn't
make sense to me. What's left is, I think, a pretty simple faith which
includes a belief that there is a lot we don't know. I think the
official church would take a dim view of furriness, but since My
Religion is to me what I myself believe, it must eventually become
compatible with furriness - although I do wonder how it all fits
together.
I must say, though, that I was praying for a solution and I found
myself at ALF, and I am quite certain that it is the right place to
be. God moves in mysterious ways, as they say.
36. Has your furriness led you to reconsider your religious beliefs?
(See above), Not much more than I already had in the past.
37. Have you ever communicated with an animal spirit?
Not that I know of.
38. Do you believe that you were an animal in a former life?
No, I don't believe so. Haven't seen any evidence of that.
39. Do you believe that you have an animal soul?
Not sure what that really means.
Animals
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40. What animals are you most/least comfortable with?
I find dogs friendly and nice to cuddle. Horses are generally
aesthetically pleasing to look at and are generally magnificent and
noble beasts, and often friendly, although I don't generally trust
them - sometimes they can be a bit crazy. Large cats are impressive
and cool although I haven't had the opportunity to get to know one or
even see one up close. I love dolphins although I've only seen them in
the wild a couple of times, and then they didn't stay to chat, much as
I hoped they would. Domestic cats can be cute and funny, but I am
sometimes suspicious that they are plotting to take over or something
- what evil thoughts do those dark feline eyes and cute fluffy faces
conceal?
41. Do you believe that animals have ESP?
Possibly. I have heard stories regarding Dolphins, although I have
never experienced anything. Animals are often good at sensing your
mood, though.
42. Do you think it is acceptable to hunt/raise animals for food?
Farming for food is OK, so long as it's done humanely. I grew up on a
farm and worked with cattle and sheep a lot in my younger years. The
way we farmed, the animals were free to roam amongst some very
pleasant hills most of the time (as were we!) and I think they were
generally quite happy. We generally avoided doing things which overly
frightened or stressed the animals as it wasn't good for production.
Particularly, when working with cattle, we would have to get into the
yards with them and it was very dangerous for you and the yards if
they got frightened and worked up.
Hunting wild animals for food would only be acceptable on a very small
scale where it was sustainable... Unfortunately there are just too
many people for that.
43. Do you think it is acceptable to hunt/raise animals for
fur/leather?
Leather is very useful and a by-product of raising animals for food
anyway. Hunting for fur alone is very wasteful, especially when we
have plenty of synthetic products to do the job. Raising animals for
fur is, from what I've seen, generally quite cruel and inefficient.
Hunting is not too bad for traditional tribal people since they
generally make efficient use of the whole animal... So long as the
animals are plentiful.
44. Do you think it is acceptable to hunt/raise animals for sport?
No (Is that a trick question? Are people who answer 'Yes' allowed on
ALF?).
Actually this leads on to a tricky situation in this country... But I
may post more on that later.
Internet
========
45. What are your favourite websites?
Haven't had opportunity to peruse many furry websites as I have been
in denial up till recently. Other than that I like funnies such as
dilbert.com, etc. Actually I don't get time to browse for fun that
often.
46. What are your favourite furry mailing lists?
Not on any yet. Recommendations?
47. How did you discover alt.lifestyle.furry?
I was digging around for something (don't remember what) and noticed
the ALF FAQ posted on numerous web sites - thought I would have to
have a look.
48. What were your very first impressions of alt.lifestyle.furry?
Bohemian, friendly, accepting.
49. What do you like the most/least about alt.lifestyle.furry?
Most: Being able to talk about personal / emotional / sexual issues
which in RL people would not understand, and finding tolerance and
acceptance. (I mean, where else could you talk about dreams where you
were kissing a cow!!?).
Least: (This will get me in trouble!) Off topic political rants: I've
seen too many political discussions on NGs and they generally dissolve
into flame wars. They are usually confrontational and nobody ever
convinces anyone else of anything useful - political views are too
entrenched and to complex. I have political opinions, but for me the
joy of ALF is leaving that behind at the door and enjoying a time of
simple fellowship to discuss furriness, etc.
50. What would you like to see more/less of in alt.lifestyle.furry?
More discussion of day-to-day furriness I guess...
Less dumb spam and trolls (but that goes for all groups!) No actually,
hateful trolls can be interesting in that once you feel part of a
community, you see them for what they are and suddenly they're not
threatening or demoralising anymore.
Sexuality/Relationships
=======================
[Remember, feel free to omit any questions which you would prefer not
to answer]
51. Describe your ideal partner.
Hmmmm... I guess I'm looking for a cute she-bear... Human in RL, but
also with a furry side, who can therefore understand me. Doesn't have
to be a bear in animal form, necessarily.
52. What type of furry sexual fantasies do you have?
Oh, boy.
For many years, I lived with "zoo-ish" urges in which I found animals
somewhat sexually attractive, more than people. I long ago realised
that animals were not appropriate or suitable sexual or emotional
partners for a lot of reasons, but that didn't change the way I felt.
So hence, I was in bad conflict. In terms of fantasy, I more felt I
wanted to be an animal in a sexual relationship with an animal, if you
know what I mean, as opposed to a human / animal relationship. In
other words, I thought horses were sexy, but more from the point of
view that I wanted to be a stallion, than that I wanted to have sex
with one as me, if you follow.
HOWEVER, strangely, since discovering ALF, that seems to have rapidly
changed. Suddenly I feel like I might actually be able have a
emotional and sexual relationship with a real person, something I had
previously given up hope of. It's amazing what a bit of sharing and
acceptance can do!. Anyway I still think animals are cute and even
sexy, but it's different: kind of like I respect them as other species
now, and I can appreciate plutonic relationships with them (if that's
the right word) without feeling any sexual complication. I don't know
if that makes any sense, but all I can say is Furry (whatever it is)
has replaced zooishness, and I feel a lot better for it... more
balanced and in harmony.
I can't believe I said all that... Hope no-one was offended.
53. Has your gender preference changed since discovering the furry
community?
Not yet!
54. What species of animal do you find the sexiest?
Bears, big cats, horses, dolphins... Really anything pleasing to look
at, well muscled, preferably with nice fur or nice to touch, and a
hint of personality...
55. What part of an animal's body do you find the most
attractive/sexy?
It's a whole package: As with people, for me... All parts from snout
to tail go together to make up an individual. No part is sexy on it's
own.
56. What cartoon characters are/were you attracted to?
Haven't thought much about that.
*The bear leans back in his chair and re-reads what he has written.
It's pretty deep stuff, but generally he's happy. He feels better for
having jotted down some thoughts.*
Well, that's the end! Thanks for taking the time to read this far. I
wouldn't blame you if you thought my head was a mess. Hope that's
changing now!
Love & Bearhugs,
Southpaw
PS: Newsflash: A Shameless Lurker is revealed:
======================================
That's right, it was me lurking during the last couple of weeks. I
managed to install Forte Agent on my parents PC and sneak a look at
ALF when time and their terrible internet access allowed. And of
course, there were times when I just HAD to post. But I didn't want to
post any more as "me" until I had formerly introduced myself and
sorted some things out: Hence the deception. Sorry.
----------------------
In a moment we lost our minds here,
And layed out spirits down
If today we've lived a thousand years
All we have is now.
-LIVE
Southpaw
email jere(at)e3.co.nz
Sabot
wrote:
<snip>
I welcomed you before, but I will welcome you again! It's nice to
have another Geo-bear here in the Homestead. Too bad you're all the
way on the other side of the globe! *sigh* Now I must get back to
Kiwiland one of these days. Feel free to drop me a lion. *snicker*
That one always cracks me up!
-------------------------------
Sabot L'ours
The beer brewin' bruin.
As seen on "Jimmy Kimmel Live"
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Wolfie
news:8ndpgv8422pal9oe9...@4ax.com:
> Hello, I'm back from holiday!
Many welcomes. Enjoy some patesucree and duck ala orange.
> 1. What is your name?
> "Southpaw", Jere in RL
Jere? How do you say that?
> 5. Where do you live?
> Hamilton ("Hamtown"), New Zealand
Ooohhhh. One of the many places I'm going before I die. It looks
like such a pretty country.
> 8. How would you describe your personality?
> Generally using words, although some facets might require
> growls and
> paw gestures ;)
Ah-ha, a smart ass. Gotta love them!
> 10. Are you a meat eater?
> Yes.
Hmm.. are there any predator/carnivor phenotypes who don't eat
meat?
> 15. What types of animal/furry themed decorations adorn
> your living space?
> I have always secretly wanted to put up some large animal
> pictures,
> but I have been "repressing" furriness for a long time
> (very dangerous!!) and have always resisted the temptation.
> Not any more, perhaps! So far I have gone so far as to have
> a bear picture as wallpaper on my PC.
Well, I've got many pictures of wolves in my room and a fantasy
calander (Story about Valkyeries. None are fully human and most
have more than just a hint of animal to them.) full of dragons
and what not. No one thinks anything of it here. But I don't
know what New Zeland is like.
> 17. Do you enjoy wearing fursuits and/or furry accessories?
> Due to being repressed, I haven't tried. Would love to try
> a
> realistic bear suit sometime.
Well, if people in New Zeland celebrate Halloween in the modern
fashion, dress up then. If anyone thinks it's odd, say it's for
the kiddies who come after candy. ;)
> 33. Describe your ideal physical form.
> Bear, definitely - although perhaps with the ability to
> talk. Imagine having a built in furry skin to keep warm and
> not having to bother with cars, clothes, houses, or social
> rules!
There are nudist colonies in the world. ;) Mayhap you'd like
one? If you can't tell, I tend to shoot little quips. I like
seeing how often I can get my foot in my mouth in one day. Some
people find them funny at least.
> 44. Do you think it is acceptable to hunt/raise animals for
> sport? No (Is that a trick question? Are people who answer
> 'Yes' allowed on ALF?).
> Actually this leads on to a tricky situation in this
> coutry... But I may post more on that later.
I don't see why ALF wouldn't allow them. I thought this palce
was about acceptance. But I think that furs are less likely to
say yes to that.
> (I mean, where else could you talk about dreams where you
> were kissing a cow!!?).
Were you a cow or a people or a what?
> I can't believe I said all that... Hope no-one was
> offended.
And if they were, sucks to be them. NO matter what, you'll
offend someone daily. You just have to learn to tell them to
piss off and care about what you think. Yea, this comming from
me.
Of course, I'm one of those people who has read this thing that
says that thru your actions daily, someone will die. I tend to
find these morbid things.
Wolfie
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Dexter
>1. What is your name?
> "Southpaw", Jere in RL
>
Welcome back. *hugs*
>5. Where do you live?
> Hamilton ("Hamtown"), New Zealand
>
Cool! An Aussie! *ducks the numerous objects being thrown* Just kidding. I know
the difference between one island and another.
>11. Who are your favourite furry characters?
> Brian the dog in Family Guy; The donkey from Shrek.
>
Brian is better than Lassie as far as entertaining dogs.
>14. What types of furry media do you create?
> I write the odd bit of poetry and the odd story, and have been known
>do draw a bit. It hasn't been very furry so far (see below) but I
>expect it will be more so now.
>
And there arose a great cry from across the newsgroup. And the furries great
and small said together in one voice: "Show Us"
>Least: (This will get me in trouble!) Off topic political rants: I've
>seen too many political discussions on NGs and they generally dissolve
>into flame wars. They are usually confrontational and nobody ever
>convinces anyone else of anything useful - political views are too
>entrenched and to complex. I have political opinions, but for me the
>joy of ALF is leaving that behind at the door and enjoying a time of
>simple fellowship to discuss furriness, etc.
>
I agree. They can be interesting at times, but they are really not furry. Just
watch out for anything Dave posts and you should be fine.
>I can't believe I said all that... Hope no-one was offended.
>
You must be new. You'll always offend someone, but nobody really cares
>53. Has your gender preference changed since discovering the furry
> community?
> Not yet!
>
Are you expecting it to?
Anyway, welcome back and I hope you can stay around longer this time *hugs*. If
you need anything, just ask.
-Dexter Fox
Rabbitswift
<lo...@the.message.footer> wrote:
> his fur, and says hello to his cave-mates. He heads off to his own
> snug little chamber and busies himself filling out a long sheet with
> numerous interesting questions.*
>
> Hello, I'm back from holiday!
>
Sounds good to me, it's been /hot/ 'round here lately.
> I posted a couple of weeks ago as "BigSoftPaw", in a rather confused
> fashion, then promptly disappeared.
>
> Well, I spent the intervening time considering life and furriness, and
> here I am.
>
> One small change: I called myself "BigSoftPaw" which was a name I
> picked "on the spur of the moment", not having ever considered having
> a furry name before. However, Seeing as I live at a somewhat Southern
> latitude and am left-pawed, I think "Southpaw" would fit me well and
> be easier to say.
>
join us. Hope ya like it here.
> 12. What type of furry artwork do you enjoy viewing?
> I quite like realistic characters / art with just enough hint of
> human characteristics, or fully realistic animal art. In cartoons I
> like semi-realistic animal characters like Brian who make ironic or
> insightful comment on the human condition. Ye Gods, that was
> pretentious.
>
Eh, pretentious or not I think it can be a good thing for animals in
cartoons/literature/whatever to make us think and to, maybe, be used as
some kind of commentary. It might just make some people look at animals
as something more than things. Doubtful I know, but I'm a bit of an
optomist myself.
> 15. What types of animal/furry themed decorations adorn your living
> space?
> I have always secretly wanted to put up some large animal pictures,
> but I have been "repressing" furriness for a long time (very
> dangerous!!) and have always resisted the temptation. Not any more,
> perhaps! So far I have gone so far as to have a bear picture as
> wallpaper on my PC.
>
There's no harm in that, I think. I've always kept pictures of animals
around even before I knew there was such a thing as furry. And actually
I've had anthro/furry art up on my walls and on my computer for a long
time and no one's ever been too bothered about it.
> 16. Describe your ideal plushie.
> Large, fluffy, and fairly realistic, except for a nudge towards
> cuteness. Probably a lion, tiger, or bear.
>
Oh my... ;) {I just couldn't resist, okay?}
> Furry thoughts
> ==============
>
> 32. Would you become an animal/furry, if you -couldn't- change back?
> Maybe. Strangely there were many times in the past where I wished I
> was an animal - but now I am starting to come to terms with myself a
> bit more, I am maybe identifying more with other people too. Suddenly
> I feel hopeful that I might be able to 'connect' more with people, in
> which case I might not feel the desire to actually be an animal
> anymore - maybe I will start to feel happy being human (with furry
> tendencies!).
>
Mm. It's funny but I've kinda noticed that realizing my furriness has made
me a bit more social. I'm still terribly shy sometimes but unlike before I
actually seek out social interaction rather than hiding away from everyone
like I did before. It's weird the way things take you I guess. But if it helps
then it's probably a good thing.
> Religion/Spirituality
> =====================
>
> 35. Is your furriness compatible with your religion?
> That is an issue I haven't fully decided yet. Officially I am a
> Christian (Anglican), but I parted company with the organised church
> some years ago. "My Religion" is mine personally now as I have gone
> through Christianity and basically rejected a lot which just doesn't
> make sense to me. What's left is, I think, a pretty simple faith which
> includes a belief that there is a lot we don't know. I think the
> official church would take a dim view of furriness, but since My
> Religion is to me what I myself believe, it must eventually become
> compatible with furriness - although I do wonder how it all fits
> together.
>
There actually seem to be a fair number of furs who're fairly active
Christians. They can tell you about their experiences better than I but I
know there's a Christian Furry group someplace around that you might find
helpful. Just a thought, really.
> 48. What were your very first impressions of alt.lifestyle.furry?
> Bohemian, friendly, accepting.
>
Usually, anyway.
> 49. What do you like the most/least about alt.lifestyle.furry?
> Most: Being able to talk about personal / emotional / sexual issues
> which in RL people would not understand, and finding tolerance and
> acceptance. (I mean, where else could you talk about dreams where
you
> were kissing a cow!!?).
Where else would you be even remotely likely to run into people who'd
be willing to admit that they'd had similar dreams? Okay so maybe I haven't
dreamed of exactly the same thing. I scarcely remember any of my dreams
actually. But it's more likely that someone else'll talk about it here than
most other places. I think.
> Least: (This will get me in trouble!) Off topic political rants: I've
> seen too many political discussions on NGs and they generally dissolve
> into flame wars. They are usually confrontational and nobody ever
> convinces anyone else of anything useful - political views are too
> entrenched and to complex. I have political opinions, but for me the
> joy of ALF is leaving that behind at the door and enjoying a time of
> simple fellowship to discuss furriness, etc.
>
Annoying as they can be I'm afraid that such things are here to stay.
They're not too hard to ignore, though, once you recognize the warning
signs.
Anyway welcome again and I'll see ya 'round. Nice to meetcha
Southpaw.
--RS
"We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of
animals." ~ Immanual Kant
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Welcome, d00d. Stop worrying about offending people. If I can slot in with no
problems, anyone can.
Incidentally, I knew the Shameless Lurker was you. Smelled like you,
metaphorically speaking. Don't be worried tho', I'm a dogboy, we've got good
noses.
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>meat?
In fact, yes. I've a good friend who's a wolf (I still have to convince him to
czech out either the furry lifestyler or were communities... he's a shy one)
and the only meat he really likes is chicken. We have NO idea why.
Southpaw
wrote:
><snip>
>I welcomed you before, but I will welcome you again! It's nice to
>have another Geo-bear here in the Homestead. Too bad you're all the
>way on the other side of the globe! *sigh* Now I must get back to
>Kiwiland one of these days. Feel free to drop me a lion. *snicker*
>That one always cracks me up!
Hello!
You mean you've been here before? We're always impressed down here if
Americans or Europeans actually know where we are...
Anyway you will definetly have to look me up if you are down this way
again.
Mumff,
Southpaw
Southpaw
10 Jul 2003 01:43:35 GMT with:
>Southpaw wrote in
>news:8ndpgv8422pal9oe9...@4ax.com:
>
>> Hello, I'm back from holiday!
>
>Many welcomes. Enjoy some patesucree and duck ala orange.
*sniff sniff* Mmmmm, Smells good!
>> 1. What is your name?
>> "Southpaw", Jere in RL
>
>Jere? How do you say that?
You could say "Jerry" (as in Berry), or "Jear" (to rhym with "Bear").
Actually its short for Jeremy, but lets not worry about that too much.
>
>> 5. Where do you live?
>> Hamilton ("Hamtown"), New Zealand
>
>Ooohhhh. One of the many places I'm going before I die. It looks
>like such a pretty country.
Oh it is, it is.
>> 15. What types of animal/furry themed decorations adorn
>> your living space?
>> I have always secretly wanted to put up some large animal
>> pictures,
>> but I have been "repressing" furriness for a long time
>> (very dangerous!!) and have always resisted the temptation.
>> Not any more, perhaps! So far I have gone so far as to have
>> a bear picture as wallpaper on my PC.
>
>Well, I've got many pictures of wolves in my room and a fantasy
>calander (Story about Valkyeries. None are fully human and most
>have more than just a hint of animal to them.) full of dragons
>and what not. No one thinks anything of it here. But I don't
>know what New Zeland is like.
Yes, animals are generally fine. You might get funny looks from more
conservative types for extreme fantasy pics. However the reason for
not having them was more personal - I was in denial and thought
actually getting such pictures etc. would be a sign of... Well I don't
know now what exactly I had against them. Same goes for plushies,
actually.
I was just thinking, the one pic I do have on my wall is a large oil
painting of a mountain scene with a waterfall and pine trees in the
foreground. It's done in yellows, whites, and light blues on green
velvet (!!). THAT has raised a few eyebrows - I think it's an great
example of an art fashion from the late 70s or 80s which is now so
tacky it's almost chic. People tell me it's ugly and I should throw it
away, but I love staring into it's misty (green) depths and imagining
a distant place of mountains and fresh air. Not obviously furry, but
kind of, if you know what I mean.
>
>> 17. Do you enjoy wearing fursuits and/or furry accessories?
>> Due to being repressed, I haven't tried. Would love to try
>> a
>> realistic bear suit sometime.
>
>Well, if people in New Zeland celebrate Halloween in the modern
>fashion, dress up then. If anyone thinks it's odd, say it's for
>the kiddies who come after candy. ;)
Well actually, we don't generally do Halloween here... But maybe I
could find some other excuse.
>> 33. Describe your ideal physical form.
>> Bear, definitely - although perhaps with the ability to
>> talk. Imagine having a built in furry skin to keep warm and
>> not having to bother with cars, clothes, houses, or social
>> rules!
>
>There are nudist colonies in the world. ;) Mayhap you'd like
>one?
All good except for the lack of (much) nice warm fur. Bit cold here
right now for that... Oddly enough, a few weeks ago I did come across
the website of the New Zealand "Naturists" (=nudists). I didn't even
know we had any!.
>If you can't tell, I tend to shoot little quips. I like
>seeing how often I can get my foot in my mouth in one day. Some
>people find them funny at least.
*Muffled laughter heard through paws* Nothing wrong with that!
>> (I mean, where else could you talk about dreams where you
>> were kissing a cow!!?).
>
>Were you a cow or a people or a what?
Don't know.... Think I was a person; However it was highly symbolic as
I wouldn't feel the way in RL as I did in the dream. It invoked a very
powerful emotional response.
>> I can't believe I said all that... Hope no-one was
>> offended.
>
>And if they were, sucks to be them. NO matter what, you'll
>offend someone daily. You just have to learn to tell them to
>piss off and care about what you think. Yea, this comming from
>me.
Of course. I don't really expect anyone to be offended... But some of
that stuff was pretty deep and there arn't too many places you could
say it...
Anyway, nice to meet you. Thanks for your reply! See you round like
a... Oh never mind.
Southpaw
----------------------
In a moment we lost our minds here,
And layed out spirits down
If today we've lived a thousand years
All we have is now.
-LIVE
Southpaw
email jere(at)e3.co.nz
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Southpaw
GMT with:
>
>>1. What is your name?
>> "Southpaw", Jere in RL
>>
>I like SouthPaw better. It rolls off the tongue and sounds very bear-ish.
>Welcome back. *hugs*
Thanks!
>>5. Where do you live?
>> Hamilton ("Hamtown"), New Zealand
>>
>Cool! An Aussie! *ducks the numerous objects being thrown* Just kidding. I know
>the difference between one island and another.
Clank! *Cofee cup bounces off wall* Boink! *Old tennis shoe follows
it* No, glad to see someone who knows about our little
Aussie-inferiority-complex.
>You must be new. You'll always offend someone, but nobody really cares
That's good to know!!
>>53. Has your gender preference changed since discovering the furry
>> community?
>> Not yet!
>>
>Are you expecting it to?
No, but you never know...
>Anyway, welcome back and I hope you can stay around longer this time *hugs*. If
>you need anything, just ask.
>
>-Dexter Fox
Hey, nice to meet you! Thanks for your reply.
Southpaw
----------------
>>14. What types of furry media do you create?
>> I write the odd bit of poetry and the odd story, and have been known
>>do draw a bit. It hasn't been very furry so far (see below) but I
>>expect it will be more so now.
>>
>And there arose a great cry from across the newsgroup. And the furries great
>and small said together in one voice: "Show Us"
Well don't say you didn't ask for it.
I wrote this last winter when I quit the corporate world and went to
live in the mountains, and spent my time snowboarding and hiking. It
isn't really furry, and I don't think it's my best, but it does fit
with the 'Wild' theme.
Windswept Ridge
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Here on this windswept ridge,
with the cold west wind in my hair,
The blasted tussock all around,
The beech trees bend and sway
Where the wind ruffles the waters
Of the cold mountain tarn
O let me dive in,
All cares be washed away
Water trickling, running,
so fresh and cold and clear
mossy pools and ferns
sky darkening, close of winter's day
If I travel so far from here,
into the concrete world
No matter where I go, I will be
here on this windswept ridge.
----------------------
In a moment we lost our minds here,
And layed out spirits down
If today we've lived a thousand years
All we have is now.
-LIVE
Southpaw
email jere(at)e3.co.nz
Southpaw
10 Jul 2003 03:10:56 GMT with:
>On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:50:29 +1200, Southpaw
><lo...@the.message.footer> wrote:
>> *A large, shaggy brown bear ducks into his cave, shakes the snow off
>> his fur, and says hello to his cave-mates. He heads off to his own
>> snug little chamber and busies himself filling out a long sheet with
>> numerous interesting questions.*
>>
>> Hello, I'm back from holiday!
>>
> Welcome back. Presumably you went somewhere cool for the duration?
>Sounds good to me, it's been /hot/ 'round here lately.
Yes, everywhere here has been pretty darn chilly lately (remember it's
winter here!). We had snow down to sea level in many southern parts of
our islands which is pretty rare (if there's an inch or more of snow
all the roads tend to close and the national news features the army
rescuing stranded motorists. All very exciting).
>> 12. What type of furry artwork do you enjoy viewing?
>> I quite like realistic characters / art with just enough hint of
>> human characteristics, or fully realistic animal art. In cartoons I
>> like semi-realistic animal characters like Brian who make ironic or
>> insightful comment on the human condition. Ye Gods, that was
>> pretentious.
>>
> Eh, pretentious or not I think it can be a good thing for animals in
>cartoons/literature/whatever to make us think and to, maybe, be used as
>some kind of commentary. It might just make some people look at animals
>as something more than things. Doubtful I know, but I'm a bit of an
>optomist myself.
Here's hoping, eh.
>> 15. What types of animal/furry themed decorations adorn your living
>> space?
>> I have always secretly wanted to put up some large animal pictures,
>> but I have been "repressing" furriness for a long time (very
>> dangerous!!) and have always resisted the temptation. Not any more,
>> perhaps! So far I have gone so far as to have a bear picture as
>> wallpaper on my PC.
>>
> There's no harm in that, I think. I've always kept pictures of animals
>around even before I knew there was such a thing as furry. And actually
>I've had anthro/furry art up on my walls and on my computer for a long
>time and no one's ever been too bothered about it.
Yes, I am now on the lookout for some nice bear pictures to stick up.
Not that I really have room - I live in a pretty small den! Also the
landlords are fascists and insist that things will not be stuck to the
cave walls. Maybe I'll just ignore that rule. Maybe I'll be evicted
next wek and have to live under a bridge, too.
>> 16. Describe your ideal plushie.
>> Large, fluffy, and fairly realistic, except for a nudge towards
>> cuteness. Probably a lion, tiger, or bear.
>>
> Oh my... ;) {I just couldn't resist, okay?}
OK. Didn't quite follow you, though, unless you were agreeing that
large plushies are cool? (Hey! this is the sort of place where a bear
can say that he thinks plushies are cute, right?).
> Mm. It's funny but I've kinda noticed that realizing my furriness has made
>me a bit more social. I'm still terribly shy sometimes but unlike before I
>actually seek out social interaction rather than hiding away from everyone
>like I did before. It's weird the way things take you I guess. But if it helps
>then it's probably a good thing.
I can certainly agree with that!.
>
>> Religion/Spirituality
>> =====================
>>
>> 35. Is your furriness compatible with your religion?
>> That is an issue I haven't fully decided yet. Officially I am a
>> Christian (Anglican), but I parted company with the organised church
>> some years ago. "My Religion" is mine personally now as I have gone
>> through Christianity and basically rejected a lot which just doesn't
>> make sense to me. What's left is, I think, a pretty simple faith which
>> includes a belief that there is a lot we don't know. I think the
>> official church would take a dim view of furriness, but since My
>> Religion is to me what I myself believe, it must eventually become
>> compatible with furriness - although I do wonder how it all fits
>> together.
>>
> There actually seem to be a fair number of furs who're fairly active
>Christians. They can tell you about their experiences better than I but I
>know there's a Christian Furry group someplace around that you might find
>helpful. Just a thought, really.
I'd noticed a few who I thought might be. That was quite suprising to
me! Thanks, might have to look more into that.
>> 49. What do you like the most/least about alt.lifestyle.furry?
>> Most: Being able to talk about personal / emotional / sexual issues
>> which in RL people would not understand, and finding tolerance and
>> acceptance. (I mean, where else could you talk about dreams where
>you
>> were kissing a cow!!?).
>
> Where else would you be even remotely likely to run into people who'd
>be willing to admit that they'd had similar dreams? Okay so maybe I haven't
>dreamed of exactly the same thing. I scarcely remember any of my dreams
>actually. But it's more likely that someone else'll talk about it here than
>most other places. I think.
Yup, its great :)!
> Anyway welcome again and I'll see ya 'round. Nice to meetcha
>Southpaw.
>
> --RS
Nice to meet you to - thanks for your reply!
Southpaw
----------------------
In a moment we lost our minds here,
And layed out spirits down
If today we've lived a thousand years
All we have is now.
-LIVE
Southpaw
email jere(at)e3.co.nz
Southpaw
>problems, anyone can.
OK, thanks for that. I wasn't really worried, anyway...
>Incidentally, I knew the Shameless Lurker was you. Smelled like you,
>metaphorically speaking. Don't be worried tho', I'm a dogboy, we've got good
>noses.
Good on you... I wondered if anyone would guess!
Anyway, thanks for the welcome!
Southpaw.
----------------------
In a moment we lost our minds here,
And layed out spirits down
If today we've lived a thousand years
All we have is now.
-LIVE
Southpaw
email jere(at)e3.co.nz
Wolfie
news:g00qgv0fi2a3iis8u...@4ax.com:
>>> Probably a lion, tiger, or bear.
>>>
>> Oh my... ;) {I just couldn't resist, okay?}
>
> OK. Didn't quite follow you, though, unless you were
> agreeing that large plushies are cool? (Hey! this is the
> sort of place where a bear can say that he thinks plushies
> are cute, right?).
Oh, you poor sheltered bear. Never seeing Wizard of OZ. For some
odd reason (I just can not think /what/) I always loved Lion and
I'd spend hours trying to do the stuff he did. So I was 6! I
didn't have a cat until much later in life and watching one made
it easier to learn how they move. Silly doggie, mimicing
kitties.
And plushies are cute. I myself have several wolves, including a
grey wolf with blue eyes. Love my mother, she saw it and decided
I should have it. My father saw it and asked if I was regressing
back to a child. Some people just don't get it.
Wolfie
news:20030709234852...@mb-m23.aol.com:
>>Hmm.. are there any predator/carnivor phenotypes who don't
>>eat meat?
>
> In fact, yes. I've a good friend who's a wolf (I still have
> to convince him to czech out either the furry lifestyler or
> were communities... he's a shy one) and the only meat he
> really likes is chicken. We have NO idea why.
Very cool. That was always something I wondered. I tun across
rabbits/cats (Or should I call them Cabbots?) who are really
into veggies but not so much into meat (Unless in full blown Cat
mode) and then there's this Wolf/Dragon who gets really odd
craving for fruit when in dragon mode and steak when in wolf
mode.
Wolfie
news:b00qgvcirk5acqig7...@4ax.com:
>>Many welcomes. Enjoy some patesucree and duck ala orange.
>
> *sniff sniff* Mmmmm, Smells good!
Well, it should. I didn't make it ;)
>>Jere? How do you say that?
>
> You could say "Jerry" (as in Berry), or "Jear" (to rhym
> with "Bear"). Actually its short for Jeremy, but lets not
> worry about that too much.
Ah-ha. I was thinking like that, but you never know.
> Yes, animals are generally fine. You might get funny looks
> from more conservative types for extreme fantasy pics.
Try being a female have those picture. Considering the
Valkyeries aren't wearing much, if anything. But it's not really
meant to be sexual with the totally nude one. She's a sprite and
she's meant to look more animalistic than human. I really wish I
had a better way to put that since humans are a degranged form
of animal too
> However the reason for not having them was more personal -
> I was in denial and thought actually getting such pictures
> etc. would be a sign of... Well I don't know now what
> exactly I had against them. Same goes for plushies,
> actually.
Mental illness, per chance?
Been there. THought I was going crazy.
> I was just thinking, the one pic I do have on my wall is a
> large oil painting of a mountain scene with a waterfall and
> pine trees in the foreground. It's done in yellows, whites,
> and light blues on green velvet (!!). THAT has raised a few
> eyebrows - I think it's an great example of an art fashion
> from the late 70s or 80s which is now so tacky it's almost
> chic. People tell me it's ugly and I should throw it away,
> but I love staring into it's misty (green) depths and
> imagining a distant place of mountains and fresh air. Not
> obviously furry, but kind of, if you know what I mean.
Well, why throw it out? You like it, it gives you pleasure, and
it's in your living space.
> Well actually, we don't generally do Halloween here... But
> maybe I could find some other excuse.
Hmm... no Halloween? No sorry excuse to get dressed up and get
candy? FREE candy. How about sport games? Do you get dressed up
for them?
>>There are nudist colonies in the world. ;) Mayhap you'd
>>like one?
>
> All good except for the lack of (much) nice warm fur. Bit
> cold here right now for that... Oddly enough, a few weeks
> ago I did come across the website of the New Zealand
> "Naturists" (=nudists). I didn't even know we had any!.
You must be blond... Or have little hair growth. Most guys with
brown hair I know are covered in fur. It goes beyond "hair" and
really does border into "fur". Of course, there's nothing wrong
with a little fur.
>>If you can't tell, I tend to shoot little quips. I like
>>seeing how often I can get my foot in my mouth in one day.
>>Some people find them funny at least.
>
> *Muffled laughter heard through paws* Nothing wrong with
> that!
Which part? Making people laugh or trying to get my big foot
into my not-so-little mouth?
I'm also tired at this point after just getting off of work
(Ack, the sun's coming up! Must... get... to... coffin) so I'm a
little hyper. I get hyper when I'm tired.
>>Were you a cow or a people or a what?
>
> Don't know.... Think I was a person; However it was highly
> symbolic as I wouldn't feel the way in RL as I did in the
> dream. It invoked a very powerful emotional response.
Cool. I'm very much into symbols. Blame it on my English teacher
in 10th and 11th grade. She taught us to find the symbols in
EVERYTHING. and I do now and I love seeing them.
> Of course. I don't really expect anyone to be offended...
> But some of that stuff was pretty deep and there arn't too
> many places you could say it...
Well, I've noticed that not too many things get a bad reaction
here. My thought is that we're all a group of, basically,
outcasts. Rather, we would be if we all let out furry-ness
surface totally (Hell, someone in this red neck city would shoot
me and try to turn me into a trophy!). As such, I find that it
makes people more accepting.
Loganberry
> Well, I spent the intervening time considering life and furriness,
> and here I am.
>
> One small change: I called myself "BigSoftPaw" which was a name I
> picked "on the spur of the moment", not having ever considered
> having a furry name before. However, Seeing as I live at a
> somewhat Southern latitude and am left-pawed, I think "Southpaw"
> would fit me well and be easier to say.
Well, then, hello and welcome (back) Southpaw. =:) Probably a bit of a
liberty offering these to someone from NZ, but do have some local lamb
chops! =;)
> 5. Where do you live?
> Hamilton ("Hamtown"), New Zealand
Ah, always nice to see some more colonials around the place... *ducks*
I won't mention the rugby... *ducks again* =;)
> 12. What type of furry artwork do you enjoy viewing?
> I quite like realistic characters / art with just enough hint of
> human characteristics, or fully realistic animal art. In cartoons
> I like semi-realistic animal characters like Brian who make ironic
> or insightful comment on the human condition. Ye Gods, that was
> pretentious.
Ah, well, I shouldn't worry about that. I come out with all sorts of
wibble, and it's not done me any harm. (Though I must admit that on
first reading I thought the Brian you meant was the snail in "The Magic
Roundabout"... =;) )
> 14. What types of furry media do you create?
> I write the odd bit of poetry and the odd story, and have been
> known
> do draw a bit. It hasn't been very furry so far (see below) but I
> expect it will be more so now.
Oh well, I suppose I'd better join in with the compulsory yell:
"SHOW US!!!!" =;)
> (I feel more
> comfortable with who I am than I ever have before)
Oh, I can understand that entirely, because it's exactly how I feel.
> 35. Is your furriness compatible with your religion?
> That is an issue I haven't fully decided yet. Officially I am a
> Christian (Anglican), but I parted company with the organised
> church some years ago. "My Religion" is mine personally now as I
> have gone through Christianity and basically rejected a lot which
> just doesn't make sense to me. What's left is, I think, a pretty
> simple faith which includes a belief that there is a lot we don't
> know. I think the official church would take a dim view of
> furriness, but since My Religion is to me what I myself believe,
> it must eventually become compatible with furriness - although I
> do wonder how it all fits together.
>
> I must say, though, that I was praying for a solution and I found
> myself at ALF, and I am quite certain that it is the right place
> to be. God moves in mysterious ways, as they say.
That's very interesting. As Rabbitswift (I think) mentioned beforehand,
there's a sizeable contingent of Christian furs. You might be
interested in the "God's Creatures" mailing list. Not being a Christian
myself, I don't know much detail about it, but there is some (very)
brief information here:
http://ursine.ca/wws/info/gods-creatures
> Raising
> animals for fur is, from what I've seen, generally quite cruel and
> inefficient.
Look out; you may be on the end of a message from Greece any minute...
> 44. Do you think it is acceptable to hunt/raise animals for sport?
> No (Is that a trick question? Are people who answer 'Yes' allowed
> on ALF?).
> Actually this leads on to a tricky situation in this country...
> But I may post more on that later.
Hmmm... might this conceivably have something to do with my own
phenotype? (Long ears, hops about...) I can't argue with the fact that
rabbits have caused huge damage in Australasia in general, though as
you might imagine it's an extremely difficult issue for me, as I find
myself supporting, with the utmost reluctance, the large-scale
slaughter of my own species. I just hope sterilisation programmes get
going soon, as the idea that calcivirus is humane is laughable.
> 46. What are your favourite furry mailing lists?
> Not on any yet. Recommendations?
God's Creatures - see above. =:)
> Least: (This will get me in trouble!) Off topic political rants:
> I've seen too many political discussions on NGs and they generally
> dissolve into flame wars. They are usually confrontational and
> nobody ever convinces anyone else of anything useful - political
> views are too entrenched and to complex. I have political
> opinions, but for me the joy of ALF is leaving that behind at the
> door and enjoying a time of simple fellowship to discuss
> furriness, etc.
*sigh* I can't argue with that, and on occasion I've been as guilty as
anyone. I don't myself think that completely avoiding off-topic
discussions is a good thing, but you're right that political arguments
very rarely change anyone's mind.
> I can't believe I said all that... Hope no-one was offended.
Oh, someone somewhere will have been. But then that goes for more or
less everything, so I shouldn't worry about it.
> 53. Has your gender preference changed since discovering the furry
> community?
> Not yet!
Yet?
Well, thank you for that, Southpaw. Very interesting read it was too.
Enjoy the place, okay? =:)
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Southpaw
10 Jul 2003 12:36:20 +0000 (UTC) with:
>Well, then, hello and welcome (back) Southpaw. =:) Probably a bit of a
>liberty offering these to someone from NZ, but do have some local lamb
>chops! =;)
*Munch munch* (mouth full) Mmm Yummy!. Lucky customs didn't find
them...
>> 5. Where do you live?
>> Hamilton ("Hamtown"), New Zealand
>
>Ah, always nice to see some more colonials around the place... *ducks*
>I won't mention the rugby... *ducks again* =;)
Hmmmm... We will get our revenge in the World Cup! (Actually havn't
been impressed with the AB's so far: Not holding too much hope for
them...)
>> (I feel more
>> comfortable with who I am than I ever have before)
>
>Oh, I can understand that entirely, because it's exactly how I feel.
The far-out thing about this place is how many people seem to have
gone through the same things... After all those years of thinking I
was alone! It's great to share.
>> 35. Is your furriness compatible with your religion?
>> That is an issue I haven't fully decided yet. Officially I am a
>> Christian (Anglican), but I parted company with the organised
>> church some years ago. "My Religion" is mine personally now as I
>> have gone through Christianity and basically rejected a lot which
>> just doesn't make sense to me. What's left is, I think, a pretty
>> simple faith which includes a belief that there is a lot we don't
>> know. I think the official church would take a dim view of
>> furriness, but since My Religion is to me what I myself believe,
>> it must eventually become compatible with furriness - although I
>> do wonder how it all fits together.
>>
>> I must say, though, that I was praying for a solution and I found
>> myself at ALF, and I am quite certain that it is the right place
>> to be. God moves in mysterious ways, as they say.
>
>That's very interesting. As Rabbitswift (I think) mentioned beforehand,
>there's a sizeable contingent of Christian furs. You might be
>interested in the "God's Creatures" mailing list. Not being a Christian
>myself, I don't know much detail about it, but there is some (very)
>brief information here:
>
>http://ursine.ca/wws/info/gods-creatures
Thanks!
>> 44. Do you think it is acceptable to hunt/raise animals for sport?
>> No (Is that a trick question? Are people who answer 'Yes' allowed
>> on ALF?).
>> Actually this leads on to a tricky situation in this country...
>> But I may post more on that later.
>
>Hmmm... might this conceivably have something to do with my own
>phenotype? (Long ears, hops about...) I can't argue with the fact that
>rabbits have caused huge damage in Australasia in general, though as
>you might imagine it's an extremely difficult issue for me, as I find
>myself supporting, with the utmost reluctance, the large-scale
>slaughter of my own species. I just hope sterilisation programmes get
>going soon, as the idea that calcivirus is humane is laughable.
Unfortunately, fluffy bunnies are just ONE of our problems... Will
post more on that later. Calcivirus was illegally released here a
couple of years ago and, as the scientists predicted, it wasn't much
use. Rabbits seem quite resilient and rapidly developed an immunity to
it. But more sometime in a new thread...
>> I can't believe I said all that... Hope no-one was offended.
>
>Oh, someone somewhere will have been. But then that goes for more or
>less everything, so I shouldn't worry about it.
No, I won't! I guess sometimes it is more important to say what must
be said than to worry about being offensive. So long as it's honest
and open, eh.
>> 53. Has your gender preference changed since discovering the furry
>> community?
>> Not yet!
>
>Yet?
Don't expect it to, but, well, so much is changing for me right now!
Thanks for your reply and suggestions! See you round (like a plushie
bunny in the washing machine?).
Southpaw
----------------------
In a moment we lost our minds here,
And layed out spirits down
If today we've lived a thousand years
All we have is now.
-LIVE
Southpaw
email jere(at)e3.co.nz
Southpaw
>> However the reason for not having them was more personal -
>> I was in denial and thought actually getting such pictures
>> etc. would be a sign of... Well I don't know now what
>> exactly I had against them. Same goes for plushies,
>> actually.
>
>Mental illness, per chance?
>Been there. THought I was going crazy.
Hmmm, something like that. I think furry pics and plushies became a
symbol of everything I was fighting against (more symbols! yay!), so I
avoided them. But I'm not fighting it any more!
>> I was just thinking, the one pic I do have on my wall is a
>> large oil painting of a mountain scene with a waterfall and
>> pine trees in the foreground. It's done in yellows, whites,
>> and light blues on green velvet (!!). THAT has raised a few
>> eyebrows - I think it's an great example of an art fashion
>> from the late 70s or 80s which is now so tacky it's almost
>> chic. People tell me it's ugly and I should throw it away,
>> but I love staring into it's misty (green) depths and
>> imagining a distant place of mountains and fresh air. Not
>> obviously furry, but kind of, if you know what I mean.
>
>Well, why throw it out? You like it, it gives you pleasure, and
>it's in your living space.
Damn right. That's what I have been saying for years. But I did throw
out the 70s oriental themed optic fibre fountain lamp thing I had,
because 1) I moved into a very small cave, 2) They came back into
fashion (breifly?) and so it wasn't quite as novel any more, and 3) it
was VERY (substitute adjective of choice) ugly.
>> Well actually, we don't generally do Halloween here... But
>> maybe I could find some other excuse.
>
>Hmm... no Halloween? No sorry excuse to get dressed up and get
>candy? FREE candy. How about sport games? Do you get dressed up
>for them?
I must say I don't go to sports much... And the main sport around here
is Rugby Football, which is followed by a fairly 'blokey' (does that
mean anything to you?) conservative crowd. It is almost mandatory to
wear jeans, swandry (that's a wollen jacket thing designed for
farmers), and wolly hat.
Mind you, most teams do have a mascot, including a one which is a cute
lion.
The only time I have actually seen people dress up in the crowd was
when the English Cricket team came here - there was a pink panther and
a lion who went to all the games (in case you didn't realise, cricket
games may go for up to 5 days). But they were members of the "Barmy
Army" who seem to have nothing better to do than follow the pommy
cricketers around the world.
But I could get away with wearing a fursuit at a cricket match -
that's a great idea. Thanks for the suggestion. The atmosphere is
always laid back and people often get up to funny antics. Cricket is
the ideal sport for it as it is played in the summer, and then only if
it doesn't rain. The pace of the game is quite slow (especially for a
5 day match) so basically you just sit around in the sun and drink
beer. Occasionally someone hits a ball into the crowd, but the chances
of being sconed are pretty slim.
>>>There are nudist colonies in the world. ;) Mayhap you'd
>>>like one?
>>
>> All good except for the lack of (much) nice warm fur. Bit
>> cold here right now for that... Oddly enough, a few weeks
>> ago I did come across the website of the New Zealand
>> "Naturists" (=nudists). I didn't even know we had any!.
>
>You must be blond... Or have little hair growth. Most guys with
>brown hair I know are covered in fur. It goes beyond "hair" and
>really does border into "fur". Of course, there's nothing wrong
>with a little fur.
Well, I think I have slightly better than average fur for a human. I'm
just saying it's not a patch on a bear, and not enough to keep me warm
in winter (damn!).
>>>If you can't tell, I tend to shoot little quips. I like
>>>seeing how often I can get my foot in my mouth in one day.
>>>Some people find them funny at least.
>>
>> *Muffled laughter heard through paws* Nothing wrong with
>> that!
>
>Which part? Making people laugh or trying to get my big foot
>into my not-so-little mouth?
Hey, both are fine with me.
>I'm also tired at this point after just getting off of work
>(Ack, the sun's coming up! Must... get... to... coffin) so I'm a
>little hyper. I get hyper when I'm tired.
I take it you work night shifts then?
>>>Were you a cow or a people or a what?
>>
>> Don't know.... Think I was a person; However it was highly
>> symbolic as I wouldn't feel the way in RL as I did in the
>> dream. It invoked a very powerful emotional response.
>
>Cool. I'm very much into symbols. Blame it on my English teacher
>in 10th and 11th grade. She taught us to find the symbols in
>EVERYTHING. and I do now and I love seeing them.
Learning to understand the symbolism of that dream and others has been
an important part of my comming to terms with furriness. All very
interesting and good so far.
>Well, I've noticed that not too many things get a bad reaction
>here. My thought is that we're all a group of, basically,
>outcasts. Rather, we would be if we all let out furry-ness
>surface totally (Hell, someone in this red neck city would shoot
>me and try to turn me into a trophy!). As such, I find that it
>makes people more accepting.
Too true... I have been internally self-outcast most of my life as I
was always hiding my feelings from myself and everyone else. I still
have to hide them from most people around here, but at least I'm not
running from myself anymore.
I wonder about how open different societies are... I have been amazed
to hear about what goes on in the US, and what gets on the media. We
don't get the more extreme TV from america (eg MTV stuff, etc) and
almost no-one here would have even heard of "furriness". The idea of a
furry convention would be truley mind boggling to many people in this
country. Not that they would necessarily be against it, just that they
would think it very odd.
I think we are quite a liberal and open society in many of the
traditional ways - eg I think we are quite tolerant of homosexuality
(which is good), but when it comes to fringe cultures, we are way
behind. But then I guess we are such a small country that it just
hasn't hit critical mass.
Anyway, cheerio!
Mumfff,
Wolfie
news:tpfrgvkjo1ba7krp5...@4ax.com:
>>Mental illness, per chance?
>>Been there. THought I was going crazy.
>
> Hmmm, something like that. I think furry pics and plushies
> became a symbol of everything I was fighting against (more
> symbols! yay!), so I avoided them. But I'm not fighting it
> any more!
How did furry pics and plushies become a symbol of everything
you were fighting?
>>Well, why throw it out? You like it, it gives you pleasure,
>>and it's in your living space.
>
> Damn right. That's what I have been saying for years. But I
> did throw out the 70s oriental themed optic fibre fountain
> lamp thing I had, because 1) I moved into a very small
> cave, 2) They came back into fashion (breifly?) and so it
> wasn't quite as novel any more, and 3) it was VERY
> (substitute adjective of choice) ugly.
I've seen some that were nice, but I don't think I'd get one now
since they are in style. I'll wait until they go back out of
fashion.
>>Hmm... no Halloween? No sorry excuse to get dressed up and
>>get candy? FREE candy. How about sport games? Do you get
>>dressed up for them?
>
> I must say I don't go to sports much... And the main sport
> around here is Rugby Football, which is followed by a
> fairly 'blokey' (does that mean anything to you?)
> conservative crowd. It is almost mandatory to wear jeans,
> swandry (that's a wollen jacket thing designed for
> farmers), and wolly hat.
Yea, blokey means things to me. The "Client" we work for is
Welsh. A ruddy idiot too.
> Mind you, most teams do have a mascot, including a one
> which is a cute lion.
>
> The only time I have actually seen people dress up in the
> crowd was when the English Cricket team came here - there
> was a pink panther and a lion who went to all the games (in
> case you didn't realise, cricket games may go for up to 5
> days). But they were members of the "Barmy Army" who seem
> to have nothing better to do than follow the pommy
> cricketers around the world.
What's "pommy"?
5 DAYS? Damn. Why does it go on for 5 days?
> But I could get away with wearing a fursuit at a cricket
> match - that's a great idea. Thanks for the suggestion. The
> atmosphere is always laid back and people often get up to
> funny antics. Cricket is the ideal sport for it as it is
> played in the summer, and then only if it doesn't rain. The
> pace of the game is quite slow (especially for a 5 day
> match) so basically you just sit around in the sun and
> drink beer. Occasionally someone hits a ball into the
> crowd, but the chances of being sconed are pretty slim.
Ah, it's nice to see other countries have excuses for getting
together and drinking.
>>You must be blond... Or have little hair growth. Most guys
>>with brown hair I know are covered in fur. It goes beyond
>>"hair" and really does border into "fur". Of course,
>>there's nothing wrong with a little fur.
>
> Well, I think I have slightly better than average fur for a
> human. I'm just saying it's not a patch on a bear, and not
> enough to keep me warm in winter (damn!).
Perhaps someone will come up with a rogaine type thing for the
entire body ;)
>>I'm also tired at this point after just getting off of work
>>(Ack, the sun's coming up! Must... get... to... coffin) so
>>I'm a little hyper. I get hyper when I'm tired.
>
> I take it you work night shifts then?
Yup. It's not too bad, but I get sensitive to sunlight since I'm
not around it much.
>>Cool. I'm very much into symbols. Blame it on my English
>>teacher in 10th and 11th grade. She taught us to find the
>>symbols in EVERYTHING. and I do now and I love seeing them.
>
> Learning to understand the symbolism of that dream and
> others has been an important part of my comming to terms
> with furriness. All very interesting and good so far.
I have a hard time analyzing my dreams, simply because so much
of them aren't symbols and then it'll hit me with this huge
symbol that I just don't get.
> Too true... I have been internally self-outcast most of my
> life as I was always hiding my feelings from myself and
> everyone else. I still have to hide them from most people
> around here, but at least I'm not running from myself
> anymore.
Ah, I know that one. Being furry, being bi. Those are difficult
things to come to terms with, even for someone so openminded. I
don't know why, but I can accept almost anything and anyone but
it's difficult for me to accept things about me.
> I wonder about how open different societies are... I have
> been amazed to hear about what goes on in the US, and what
> gets on the media. We don't get the more extreme TV from
> america (eg MTV stuff, etc) and almost no-one here would
> have even heard of "furriness". The idea of a furry
> convention would be truley mind boggling to many people in
> this country. Not that they would necessarily be against
> it, just that they would think it very odd.
Looking at American views is strange. On the north-east coast
(Where I'm from) people are accepting of most everything. I grew
up in a town that had a large gay population and the next town
over was a mainly gay town. My rabbit/cat friend wore grey cat
ears for a couple days before Halloween and no one cared. I
might wear ears if I could find good grey wolf ears. Maybe a
tail if I could find a good one. But what I'd love to do, if I
could find a place that would do it, is get fake nails that look
like claws.
> I think we are quite a liberal and open society in many of
> the traditional ways - eg I think we are quite tolerant of
> homosexuality (which is good), but when it comes to fringe
> cultures, we are way behind. But then I guess we are such a
> small country that it just hasn't hit critical mass.
Cool. I wish America was more accepting of homosexuality. I
dated a lady out here and we were afraid to go anywhere in
public. It's an awful thing to live in fear.
Wolfie, the wolf of 100 names
Rabbitswift
<lo...@the.message.footer> wrote:
> Rabbitswift <Rabbi...@Hotmail.com> shed light on the issue on Thu,
> 10 Jul 2003 03:10:56 GMT with:
>
> >On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:50:29 +1200, Southpaw
> ><lo...@the.message.footer> wrote:
> >> *A large, shaggy brown bear ducks into his cave, shakes the snow
off
> >> his fur, and says hello to his cave-mates. He heads off to his own
> >> snug little chamber and busies himself filling out a long sheet with
> >> numerous interesting questions.*
> >>
> >> Hello, I'm back from holiday!
> >>
> > Welcome back. Presumably you went somewhere cool for the
duration?
> >Sounds good to me, it's been /hot/ 'round here lately.
>
> Yes, everywhere here has been pretty darn chilly lately (remember it's
> winter here!).
Yeah actually I did. Just after I posted, of course. Sometimes it takes a
minute for my brain to turn over.
We had snow down to sea level in many southern parts of
> our islands which is pretty rare (if there's an inch or more of snow
> all the roads tend to close and the national news features the army
> rescuing stranded motorists. All very exciting).
>
Sounds it. Actually if it's going to snow I like for it to go ahead and
/snow/ and not mess around with a little here and a little there like it did
most of the winter around here. 'Course there you've got to be careful
what you wish for. We did manage to get half the state shut down by ice
for almost a week this winter, too. Fun stuff.
> > There's no harm in that, I think. I've always kept pictures of animals
> >around even before I knew there was such a thing as furry. And
actually
> >I've had anthro/furry art up on my walls and on my computer for a long
> >time and no one's ever been too bothered about it.
>
> Yes, I am now on the lookout for some nice bear pictures to stick up.
> Not that I really have room - I live in a pretty small den! Also the
> landlords are fascists and insist that things will not be stuck to the
> cave walls. Maybe I'll just ignore that rule. Maybe I'll be evicted
> next wek and have to live under a bridge, too.
>
Depends on how often they actually come inside your place. I lived in a
house my last year of college where the landlady absolutely insisted
nothing be stuck up on the walls. We did anyway but with small nails to
minimize the damage. Or there's always that silly-putty like stuff that you
can use to hang posters on the wall with. I forget what it's called right off
hand but it's not too bad about not hurting the walls.
>
> >> 16. Describe your ideal plushie.
> >> Large, fluffy, and fairly realistic, except for a nudge towards
> >> cuteness. Probably a lion, tiger, or bear.
> >>
> > Oh my... ;) {I just couldn't resist, okay?}
>
> OK. Didn't quite follow you, though, unless you were agreeing that
> large plushies are cool? (Hey! this is the sort of place where a bear
> can say that he thinks plushies are cute, right?).
>
Oh, sorry. I was intending to reference the "Wizard of Oz" {"Lions &
Tigers & Bears, oh my!"} Guess I was too vague there.
But nevertheless I would agree that large plushies are cool. I want one
big enough to use as a bed, personally.
> >> Religion/Spirituality
> >> =====================
> >>
> >> 35. Is your furriness compatible with your religion?
> >> That is an issue I haven't fully decided yet. Officially I am a
> >> Christian (Anglican), but I parted company with the organised church
> >> some years ago. "My Religion" is mine personally now as I have
gone
> >> through Christianity and basically rejected a lot which just doesn't
> >> make sense to me. What's left is, I think, a pretty simple faith which
> >> includes a belief that there is a lot we don't know. I think the
> >> official church would take a dim view of furriness, but since My
> >> Religion is to me what I myself believe, it must eventually become
> >> compatible with furriness - although I do wonder how it all fits
> >> together.
> >>
> > There actually seem to be a fair number of furs who're fairly active
> >Christians. They can tell you about their experiences better than I but I
> >know there's a Christian Furry group someplace around that you might
find
> >helpful. Just a thought, really.
>
> I'd noticed a few who I thought might be. That was quite suprising to
> me! Thanks, might have to look more into that.
>
Good luck with it all.
Loganberry
>>Ah, always nice to see some more colonials around the place...
>>*ducks* I won't mention the rugby... *ducks again* =;)
>
> Hmmmm... We will get our revenge in the World Cup! (Actually
> havn't been impressed with the AB's so far: Not holding too much
> hope for them...)
I must confess I don't know a whole lot about rugby (either code), as
I'm much more of a cricketing rabbit, but to be honest I don't really
support England at rugby anyway, as I don't really like their
unsporting attitude. (I hate the "winning isn't everything; it's the
only thing" attitude, to be honest.) Unfortunately, the only other
rugby-playing nation I have a reasonable right to support through
family ties is, er, Wales... *insert hours-long rant about the
incompetence of the WRU here*
>>> (I feel more
>>> comfortable with who I am than I ever have before)
>>
>>Oh, I can understand that entirely, because it's exactly how I
>>feel.
>
> The far-out thing about this place is how many people seem to have
> gone through the same things... After all those years of thinking
> I was alone! It's great to share.
And again, precisely how many furs feel. "Hey, you mean there are
*lots* of us? Wow!" =:)
> Unfortunately, fluffy bunnies are just ONE of our problems... Will
> post more on that later. Calcivirus was illegally released here a
> couple of years ago and, as the scientists predicted, it wasn't
> much use. Rabbits seem quite resilient and rapidly developed an
> immunity to it. But more sometime in a new thread...
Right, sounds like it could be an interesting read: I'll keep an eye
out for that one.
But I tend to think that if there was one word that summed up rabbits,
it would indeed be "resilient". After all, any species that can recover
from a blow like the 1950s myxomatosis epidemic (which had 99%
mortality in Britain) has to have something going for it! Thankfully
the deliberate release of myxomatosis or calcivirus is now illegal in
Britain anyway, but wild rabbits in the UK have 90% first-year
mortality anyway. As Kermit might have said in other circumstances, it
isn't easy being lapine. =;)
> Thanks for your reply and suggestions! See you round (like a
> plushie bunny in the washing machine?).
Been there, done that, shrunk the T-shirt! =;)
Loganberry
<snip>
> Or there's always that
> silly-putty like stuff that you can use to hang posters on the
> wall with. I forget what it's called right off hand but it's not
> too bad about not hurting the walls.
<snip>
It's called Blu-tak over here, but I don't think it's sold (under
that name, anyway) in the US.
Loganberry
> Southpaw wrote in
> news:tpfrgvkjo1ba7krp5...@4ax.com:
>> The only time I have actually seen people dress up in the
>> crowd was when the English Cricket team came here - there
>> was a pink panther and a lion who went to all the games (in
>> case you didn't realise, cricket games may go for up to 5
>> days). But they were members of the "Barmy Army" who seem
>> to have nothing better to do than follow the pommy
>> cricketers around the world.
>
> What's "pommy"?
A vaguely derogatory (though *usually* good-natured) Aussie/Kiwi way
of addressing those of us from the Mother Country... =;)
> 5 DAYS? Damn. Why does it go on for 5 days?
For much the same reasons as whisky is aged for 18 years.
Anyway, it doesn't, always - you can have a cricket match in three
hours. But Test Matches, which are the pinnacle of the sport, do
indeed last for five days. (About 30 hours total playing time.) And
they are, in this rabbit's humble opinion, the most wonderful things
the sporting world has to offer.
Rabbitswift
@yahoo.co.ukdrivel> wrote:
> Rabbitswift <Rabbi...@Hotmail.com> wrote here on 10 Jul 2003:
>
> <snip>
> > Or there's always that
> > silly-putty like stuff that you can use to hang posters on the
> > wall with. I forget what it's called right off hand but it's not
> > too bad about not hurting the walls.
> <snip>
>
> It's called Blu-tak over here, but I don't think it's sold (under
> that name, anyway) in the US.
>
so much of the stuff during college. And I dunno 'bout elsewhere but the
stuff I used to buy was grey rather than blue. Problem is it tended to stain
the corners of the poster. This isn't such a big thing if it's just a cheap thing
from the bookstore but the art I buy now I intend to preserve as best I can.
Heh. Then there was the time I used double sided tape to hang a
picture. Silly skunky. I wonder if they ever got it off the dormitory wall?
--RS, rambling.
Wolfie
news:Xns93B5132B86652...@204.152.186.157:
>> What's "pommy"?
>
> A vaguely derogatory (though *usually* good-natured)
> Aussie/Kiwi way of addressing those of us from the Mother
> Country... =;)
mm-hmm. A new word for me to use around the boss. He's the one I
learn most of me UK slang from. It'll be nice to see if he knows
this one.
>> 5 DAYS? Damn. Why does it go on for 5 days?
>
> For much the same reasons as whisky is aged for 18 years.
I don't care for whiskey.
> Anyway, it doesn't, always - you can have a cricket match
> in three hours. But Test Matches, which are the pinnacle of
> the sport, do indeed last for five days. (About 30 hours
> total playing time.) And they are, in this rabbit's humble
> opinion, the most wonderful things the sporting world has
> to offer.
>
I don't know if I could get into that. I have a hard time paying
attention to the 2 hours of wrestling I watch on Mon and THur,
and that's a soap opera. Real sports I have about a 15 min
attention span for. Why does a TEst Match take 5 days?
Rabbitswift
> hours. But Test Matches, which are the pinnacle of the sport, do
> indeed last for five days. (About 30 hours total playing time.) And
> they are, in this rabbit's humble opinion, the most wonderful things
> the sporting world has to offer.
>
Now my question is, has anyone who didn't actually grow up with it ever
/understood/ cricket? ;)
--RS,
Dexter
>>> Hamilton ("Hamtown"), New Zealand
>>>
>>Cool! An Aussie! *ducks the numerous objects being thrown* Just kidding. I
>know
>>the difference between one island and another.
>
>Clank! *Cofee cup bounces off wall* Boink! *Old tennis shoe follows
>it* No, glad to see someone who knows about our little
>Aussie-inferiority-complex.
>
can be so fun. At least you guys are better than Tazmania :)
>I wrote this last winter when I quit the corporate world and went to
>live in the mountains, and spent my time snowboarding and hiking. It
>isn't really furry, and I don't think it's my best, but it does fit
>with the 'Wild' theme.
>
>Windswept Ridge
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>Here on this windswept ridge,
>with the cold west wind in my hair,
>The blasted tussock all around,
>The beech trees bend and sway
>
>Where the wind ruffles the waters
>Of the cold mountain tarn
>O let me dive in,
>All cares be washed away
>
>Water trickling, running,
>so fresh and cold and clear
>mossy pools and ferns
>sky darkening, close of winter's day
>
>If I travel so far from here,
>into the concrete world
>No matter where I go, I will be
>here on this windswept ridge.
>
And you were afraid of sharing that??!? That was a great poem. It was beautiful
and meaningful. I loved it. Even if it isn't furry, it still feels that way. I
hope you can show us more someitme.
-Dexter Fox
Loganberry
>> Anyway, it doesn't, always - you can have a cricket match in
>> three hours. But Test Matches, which are the pinnacle of the
>> sport, do indeed last for five days. (About 30 hours total
>> playing time.) And they are, in this rabbit's humble opinion, the
>> most wonderful things the sporting world has to offer.
>>
> Besides, I'm guessing, certain motorsports?
Actually, I'm not so sure. Because the thing about a Test Match is that
it gives time for discussion, for thinking, for arguing. You can talk
about the current state of play with friends and family of an evening,
during rather than just after the match, for example. It's the space to
breathe and stretch that a Test Match has that makes it so special.
There's not much else, except maybe things like the Tour de France,
where you can do that. So if I was offered one sport, and one sport
only, for my own personal heaven, I think there's at least a chance
that Test cricket would nudge out the motorsport.
> Now my question is, has anyone who didn't actually grow up with
> it ever /understood/ cricket? ;)
I doubt it. I think you had a go at listening to the radio commentary a
while back, didn't you? And I don't think you found it exactly easy to
follow. But then I haven't a clue what's going on in, say, an ice
hockey game. So, to borrow an idea from elsewhere, it's instinct more
than learnt. =;)
Loganberry
[Pommy]
> mm-hmm. A new word for me to use around the boss. He's the one I
> learn most of me UK slang from. It'll be nice to see if he knows
> this one.
If he's British, I'd be amazed if he didn't. Everyone I know has heard
of it.
>>> 5 DAYS? Damn. Why does it go on for 5 days?
>>
>> For much the same reasons as whisky is aged for 18 years.
>
> I don't care for whiskey.
Who said anything about whiskey? This is whisky. Scotch, hence there's
no "e" in the name. Important difference. =;)
>Why does a TEst Match take 5 days?
Well, to answer that in full I'd have to explain the whole cricketing
culture, and that would take at least as long as the match! But in
brief, think of it as our equivalent of baseball - the traditional
summer game, probably the most "romantic" of our major sports, obsessed
with statistics, wonderful to listen to on the radio, yet being rather
squeezed out by faster, more TV-orientated sports. In a bit more
detail...
There are 11 men[1] a side, and each side has two innings. Highest
score wins. Simple so far. But there are always two men in at once
during an innings (singular; we don't use the word "inning"), and they
stay in until one of them is got out by the bowler (pitcher, very
roughly). Methods include being caught, bowled (ball hits the stumps
behind the batsman), lbw (amazingly complicated, but basically stopping
the ball hitting the stumps with your legs) and seven other methods.
The bowler is also, within limits, quite entitled to aim the ball at
the batsman to try to indimidate him. Runs are scored by, after the
ball has been hit, the two batsmen running up and down the 22-yard
pitch (which is in the centre of the field).
The same two men stay there until one is out, building a partnership,
sometimes for hours and hours - a whole day on rare occasions. The
average team score in a single innings is somewhere around 300 runs -
the world record is over 900 - and a team will usually bat for about a
day. Eventually, either ten men are got out (which ends the innings, as
the 11th has no partner remaining) or the team makes such a huge score
that they "declare" - ie end their innings early - which is as much
psychological as anything; cricket is a real mind game. So you might
get scores like this (I'll take the liberty to make England win here!):
England 1st inns: 503/7d - 503 runs for the loss of 7 wickets (ie, 7
"outs"), declared.
Australia 1st inns: 278ao - 278 runs, all ten wickets fallen.
Australia 2nd inns (f-o): 345ao - 345 runs, again with all wickets
fallen. "F-o" means "following on" - as Australia did not get within
200 runs of England in their 1st innings, England had the right
(usually, but not always, enforced) to make Australia bat again
immediately, rather than the usual alternation.
England 2nd inns: 122/1 - 122 runs for the loss of one wicket.
England's aggregate now exceeds that of Australia, so they "win by nine
wickets" (because ten wickets are needed to bowl a side out). If they
had collapsed and made only, say, 78 all out, Australia would have "won
by 22 runs".
The usual playing hours are from 11am to 6pm each day, with a break
from 1pm to 1:40 for lunch, and another from 3:40 to 4pm for tea. Extra
time may be added on at the end of a day if it has been raining (as the
game stops in heavy rain), and also right at the end of a match if the
umpires (two) believe that an extra half-hour is likely to produce a
result.
And leading on from that, I suspect one reason cricket has never taken
off in the US is that it is entirely possible for the game to go the
full five days and end in a draw, ie neither side winning. This happens
less than it used to, as the game has become more aggressive and
attacking in recent years, but if it rains a lot it will still happen.
(Note that "draw" and "tie" do *not* mean the same thing in cricket - a
"tie" is when the two teams finish with exactly equal aggregates, which
given the high-scoring nature of the game is very unusual.)
(And yes, I can go on about cricket for hours and hours and hours!)
[1] There are women's Test Matches too, and in fact there's no rule
against women playing in men's teams, though it's never happened at
Test level.
Loganberry
> Windswept Ridge
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Well, if that isn't your best, then I very much look forward to seeing
your best. Because I really like it.
Rabbitswift
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> Rabbitswift <Rabbi...@Hotmail.com> wrote here on 11 Jul 2003:
>
> >> Anyway, it doesn't, always - you can have a cricket match in
> >> three hours. But Test Matches, which are the pinnacle of the
> >> sport, do indeed last for five days. (About 30 hours total
> >> playing time.) And they are, in this rabbit's humble opinion, the
> >> most wonderful things the sporting world has to offer.
> >>
> > Besides, I'm guessing, certain motorsports?
>
> Actually, I'm not so sure. Because the thing about a Test Match is that
> it gives time for discussion, for thinking, for arguing. You can talk
> about the current state of play with friends and family of an evening,
> during rather than just after the match, for example. It's the space to
> breathe and stretch that a Test Match has that makes it so special.
> There's not much else, except maybe things like the Tour de France,
> where you can do that. So if I was offered one sport, and one sport
> only, for my own personal heaven, I think there's at least a chance
> that Test cricket would nudge out the motorsport.
>
intellectual effort. Which is something I approve of myself. Actually, and
maybe my countrymen will forgive me one day for saying this, but it sounds
like a superior version of baseball. More or less, since I realize that there's
probably vast differences between the two games as well. Not that I really
understand baseball all that well either, but that just comes of never paying
attention. And of slightly preferring basketball in any case. If I had to watch
one or the other.
Anyway I think I begin to understand why cricket is so popular.
> > Now my question is, has anyone who didn't actually grow up with
> > it ever /understood/ cricket? ;)
>
> I doubt it. I think you had a go at listening to the radio commentary a
> while back, didn't you? And I don't think you found it exactly easy to
> follow. But then I haven't a clue what's going on in, say, an ice
> hockey game. So, to borrow an idea from elsewhere, it's instinct more
> than learnt. =;)
>
probably grasp the concept eventually. But since it doesn't seem likely
we'll have cricket matches in the U.S.-at least not professionally-in the
near future my experience is doubtless going to be extremely limited. I think
the last time I saw anything to do with cricket was in the movie "Lagaan"
which more or less set out to make fun of it I think.
It does sound farily interesting, though.
--RS
Southpaw
11 Jul 2003 00:53:02 +0000 (UTC) with:
>For much the same reasons as whisky is aged for 18 years.
>
>Anyway, it doesn't, always - you can have a cricket match in three
>hours. But Test Matches, which are the pinnacle of the sport, do
>indeed last for five days. (About 30 hours total playing time.) And
>they are, in this rabbit's humble opinion, the most wonderful things
>the sporting world has to offer.
Oh no... I started a thread about cricket. Thanks, Loganberry, for
your brief but useful description! One thing I've noticed is people
who play cricket (ie Britts and their colonies) just LOVE to explain
the game to North Americans. We love the way their eyes seem to glaze
over, and how they can't grasp playing for 5 days and ending in a
draw.
When I think about it, I don't know how anybody understands it - I
guess you have to grow up with it! You have to watch or listen to a
LOT before you really get it. The great thing with test cricket is you
can have the radio on and listen to it for most of the day (for 5
days!) while doing other things. Or you can go to the ground, lie in
the sun, and drink beer while listening to it on the radio. A game
full of subtle psychology, swinging fortunes, decorum and skill. I
agree - definitely the pinnicle of sports.
Here's some terminology, in case you were confused:
Pitch - The bit of grass where the play happens
Pitch - the way a ball bounced, or where it bounced
Ball - The hard round thing used to play
Ball - One toss of the ball by the bowler (eg "3 balls remaining in
the over")
Over - 6 tosses of the ball in a row.
Crease - Mark on the dirt. The batter must remain inside the mark or
risk getting out.
Stump - wooden stick thing the bowler tries to hit - placed in a group
of three
Stump - Get someone out by hitting a stump with the ball after it has
been bowled, when the batter missed it, and the batter didn't get back
behind the crease.
Stumps - three of the sticks side by side
Stumps - The name given to the time when the play finishes for the
day.
Wicket - Alternative for Pitch
Wickets - Alternative for "Stumps" (as in the sticks)
Wicket - When a batter got out (ie "the wicket fell at 368")
Wicket - How many people a bowler got out ("XXX took 3 wickets for 104
runs")
Silly Mid Off - A guy standing close to the pitch, half way down, on
the side the batter faces towards
Square Leg - a guy standing behind the batter, level with the stumps,
some distance away.
Does that clarify things?
Southpaw the cricketing bear.
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Southpaw
>It's called Blu-tak over here, but I don't think it's sold (under
>that name, anyway) in the US.
Aahhh, Blu Tak. Now I'm with you.
"Marmite"
Southpaw
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Southpaw
11 Jul 2003 00:49:45 +0000 (UTC) with:
>It's called Blu-tak over here, but I don't think it's sold (under
>that name, anyway) in the US.
Aahhh, Blu Tak. Now I'm with you.
"Marmite"
Southpaw
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Southpaw
> Oh, sorry. I was intending to reference the "Wizard of Oz" {"Lions &
>Tigers & Bears, oh my!"} Guess I was too vague there.
Ah... Now it makes sense! No, I haven't seen WOO. Seem to recall
having an audio tape version when i was a little bear, though.
-Southpaw.
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Southpaw
fulfilling and I like to do it even if no-one sees it... But it is
noce when other people can read it too. Hopefully sometime I plan to
get a website going where I can stick more stuff.
Mumff!
Southpaw
Southpaw
>I must confess I don't know a whole lot about rugby (either code), as
>I'm much more of a cricketing rabbit, but to be honest I don't really
>support England at rugby anyway, as I don't really like their
>unsporting attitude. (I hate the "winning isn't everything; it's the
>only thing" attitude, to be honest.) Unfortunately, the only other
>rugby-playing nation I have a reasonable right to support through
>family ties is, er, Wales... *insert hours-long rant about the
>incompetence of the WRU here*
Ha Ha Wales! We DID beat them the other day even if we lost to
England. But I have to compliment the Welsh, they didn't make it too
easy. Anyway, 'nuf about rugby. I'm sure it's boring everyone...
Mumff!
Southpaw
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Delve
I dunno, maybe it's my English blood, but it sounds perfectly comprehensible to
me. And pretty damn fun at that. Probably no chance in hell they show it on TV
over here tho'.
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Southpaw
Jul 2003 08:18:54 GMT with:
>[snip cricket stuff]
>
>I dunno, maybe it's my English blood, but it sounds perfectly comprehensible to
>me. And pretty damn fun at that. Probably no chance in hell they show it on TV
>over here tho'.
Sometimes when a big match is on you can get a ball by ball text
update on the web. I've found it's another very good to doo less work
if you're a programmer (as I used to be) - just make sure you have a
spreadsheet or some code open in the background and be ready to
'Alt-Tab' to it if the bos comes in.
That reminds me of another story... Back before the days of global
satallite coms (no I wasn't around then), cricket information was
often relayed to small outlying colonies like ours by sending a
special telegram at the end of each over, with codes for what had
happened. Apparently they used it to reconstruct the commentary in a
studio (complete with sound effects) for the local radio stations!
Howzaaaaat? (And the bear's been given out LBW for a duck. He's
heading back to the pavillion).
Southpaw
Loganberry
>>> I don't care for whiskey.
>>
>>Who said anything about whiskey? This is whisky. Scotch, hence
>>there's no "e" in the name. Important difference. =;)
>
> Yes. Yes it is. Whiskey often sucks, but Scotch is awesome. My dad
> gave me Scotch when I was a toddler so now I have a whisky tooth.
Really? Any particular brand?
Loganberry
> Loganberry <dav...@yahoo.co.ukdrivel> shed light on the issue on
> Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:49:45 +0000 (UTC) with:
>
>
>>It's called Blu-tak over here, but I don't think it's sold (under
>>that name, anyway) in the US.
>
> Aahhh, Blu Tak. Now I'm with you.
>
> "Marmite"
> Southpaw
Yup! =:) Although I read somewhere that British Marmite and NZ
Marmite aren't quite the same recipe, which presumably startles
people sometimes. Still, better that than Vegemite - ugh. =;)
Delve
I don't remember what he used to drink and I haven't been allowed the
opportunity to experiment much. Heh. I just know I like the stuff.
Wolfie
news:Xns93B52865D5621...@204.152.186.157:
> If he's British, I'd be amazed if he didn't. Everyone I
> know has heard of it.
We-ell, this guy doesn't know enough to call for an ambulance
when someone is having a heart attack. He says that we
Americans are all the stupid ones, but we at least know
/that/ much. Yes. I have negligible respect for the man.
>> I don't care for whiskey.
>
> Who said anything about whiskey? This is whisky. Scotch,
> hence there's no "e" in the name. Important difference. =;)
uh-huuuhhhh. Never knew a difference.
>>Why does a TEst Match take 5 days?
> <snipped answer including bit about why it hasn't taken off
> in the US>
I don't think many Americans have that kind of attention
span. We want everything now, now, now! Wonderful people.
aren't we
Kamau
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> *A large, shaggy brown bear ducks into his cave, shakes the snow off
> his fur, and says hello to his cave-mates. He heads off to his own
> snug little chamber and busies himself filling out a long sheet with
> numerous interesting questions.*
>
> 35. Is your furriness compatible with your religion?
> That is an issue I haven't fully decided yet. Officially I am a
> Christian (Anglican), but I parted company with the organised church
> some years ago. "My Religion" is mine personally now as I have gone
> through Christianity and basically rejected a lot which just doesn't
> make sense to me. What's left is, I think, a pretty simple faith which
> includes a belief that there is a lot we don't know. I think the
> official church would take a dim view of furriness, but since My
> Religion is to me what I myself believe, it must eventually become
> compatible with furriness - although I do wonder how it all fits
> together.
>
Dim view or not you'll find a number of furs here who are Christian and
profess it. You find this at cons when there are spirituality panels held.
A wide variety of beliefs but Christian faiths are usually well represented.
> I must say, though, that I was praying for a solution and I found
> myself at ALF, and I am quite certain that it is the right place to
> be. God moves in mysterious ways, as they say.
>
You're only seeing the beginning of that when it comes to furriness and
religion.
> 50. What would you like to see more/less of in alt.lifestyle.furry?
> More discussion of day-to-day furriness I guess...
> Less dumb spam and trolls (but that goes for all groups!) No actually,
> hateful trolls can be interesting in that once you feel part of a
> community, you see them for what they are and suddenly they're not
> threatening or demoralising anymore.
>
It's still here, the furry experience discussions that is, but they are
harder to find. It is also not uncommon for one of our trolls to derail it.
We seem more susceptible to that now days then a few years back. In any
case I'd say if you have a topic or event you want to discuss post it here
and see what happens.
Thanks for the furvey Southpaw. Very interesting mix and I'd say you've
certainly found a place that will help you discover yourself more. Have a
helping of Belle's buffalo steaks and some of my brownies as thanks for your
hard work.
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Southpaw
>> "Marmite"
>> Southpaw
>
>Yup! =:) Although I read somewhere that British Marmite and NZ
>Marmite aren't quite the same recipe, which presumably startles
>people sometimes.
Yup - did you know that British marmite is sold here under the name
"Our Mate"? I actually like it better than our marmite, but..
>Still, better that than Vegemite - ugh. =;)
Now you're treading on very thin ice. Vegemite is the king of all
mites! Har har! Vegemite for ever! (Cue marmite / vegemite flame war).
This is the point where all the Americans, Euros, etc, go "Huh?"
'Nuf of that.
Southpaw
2003 09:50:17 -0400 with:
>Dim view or not you'll find a number of furs here who are Christian and
>profess it. You find this at cons when there are spirituality panels held.
>A wide variety of beliefs but Christian faiths are usually well represented.
Yes, I have found this to be suprising and encouraging. Tells me that
there is room in Christianity for more than just the mainstream
fundamentalism. Or to put it another way, I'm glad I'm not the only
one going against the flow. Sorry, don't want to put people off by
going on about religion.
>> I must say, though, that I was praying for a solution and I found
>> myself at ALF, and I am quite certain that it is the right place to
>> be. God moves in mysterious ways, as they say.
>>
>You're only seeing the beginning of that when it comes to furriness and
>religion.
Yup, I'm expecting a lot more mysterious stuff yet!
>
>> 50. What would you like to see more/less of in alt.lifestyle.furry?
>> More discussion of day-to-day furriness I guess...
>> Less dumb spam and trolls (but that goes for all groups!) No actually,
>> hateful trolls can be interesting in that once you feel part of a
>> community, you see them for what they are and suddenly they're not
>> threatening or demoralising anymore.
>>
>It's still here, the furry experience discussions that is, but they are
>harder to find. It is also not uncommon for one of our trolls to derail it.
>We seem more susceptible to that now days then a few years back. In any
>case I'd say if you have a topic or event you want to discuss post it here
>and see what happens.
I definitely plan to do that, don't worry. Soon you will be
complaining that you can't shut me up, like the donkey in Shrek -
although it depends on how much assignment work I get this semester. I
have had plenty of time to post as I am on holiday up until tomorrow.
>Thanks for the furvey Southpaw. Very interesting mix and I'd say you've
>certainly found a place that will help you discover yourself more. Have a
>helping of Belle's buffalo steaks and some of my brownies as thanks for your
>hard work.
Mmmm, Yummy. Nice juicy buffalo steaks (medium rare, too! Perfect.)
And you know I just LOVE brownies.
Well, thanks is really due to all the wonderful furries who have given
me comments and support (silent as well as spoken). Keep it up, and
I'll see you round (like a squirrel clinging to the spokes of a
bicycle caught in the slipstream of a big rig on the freeway).
Bearhugs,
Loganberry
>>Really? Any particular brand?
>
> I don't remember what he used to drink and I haven't been allowed
> the opportunity to experiment much. Heh. I just know I like the
> stuff.
Fair enough. I have Scottish relations, you see, who turned me on to
the stuff, and one of the things I particularly like is the variety
of malts you get. Laphroiag is probably my favourite, though it's
very much an acquired taste on account of being so peaty.
Loganberry
> I getcha, I think. I sounds like a game that actually requires
> quite a bit of intellectual effort.
Yep, which is probably why it's been rather marginalised by television
in recent years. Though that has more to do with the BBC losing the TV
contract to Channel 4, and therefore people now having to put up with
advert breaks all the damn time. The Beeb still have the radio rights,
and I much prefer that method of following the game myself.
> Which is something I approve of myself.
> Actually, and maybe my countrymen will forgive me one day for
> saying this, but it sounds like a superior version of baseball.
Naturally. =;) Actually, Channel 5 over here do sometimes show live
baseball (an ESPN feed, I think) in the middle of the night, and I
admit to rather liking it. It's certainly the American sport I find
most enjoyable to watch.
> More or less, since I realize that there's probably vast
> differences between the two games as well. Not that I really
> understand baseball all that well either, but that just comes of
> never paying attention. And of slightly preferring basketball in
> any case. If I had to watch one or the other.
Well, I'll make some enemies here, but I have to admit that I find
watching basketball less than enthralling. Not as bad as American
football, but getting there. I'm sure I'd find it a lot more
interesting if I knew more about the game, of course, but for me it's
just far too hectic, just as I'm sure cricket is way too slow for many
other people. (And that's another fine thing about cricket - you can
get to the top without having to be a certain shape.)
> But since it doesn't seem
> likely we'll have cricket matches in the U.S.-at least not
> professionally-in the near future
In fact, not so. The 2007 World Cup is going to be hosted by the West
Indies (who for historical reasons count as one country for cricketing
purposes), and under some tremendously tacky marketing deal, it seems
at least possible that two or three matches will be played at, er,
Disneyland. Given that hosts qualify automatically, the USA team might
even be playing (that's yet to be decided, I think). Of course, they
*could* qualify on merit anyway via the ICC Trophy (a sort of sub-World
Cup for lesser-ranked nations), but in all honesty it would be a major
surprise if they managed to do so, as in the last Trophy (Toronto,
2001), they finished behind Holland, Namibia, Scotland, Canada, the
United Arab Emirates and Denmark.
However, domestic cricket is concerned, I have to agree. Mainly because
as far as I can see from my outside perspective, the governance of the
game in the US has been an utter shambles for several years (at least
as bad as the WRU, for you rugby people!), with a quite unbelievable
number of accusations flying around of financial irregularities, dodgy
election results, people sticking their heads in the sand, etc etc.
There are only 8,000 serious cricketers in the US, and at this rate
that number won't ever go up. Anyone who's interested in all this murky
stuff, this is the place:
http://www.cricket.org/link_to_database/NATIONAL/ICC_MEMBERS/USA/
> my experience is doubtless going
> to be extremely limited. I think the last time I saw anything to
> do with cricket was in the movie "Lagaan" which more or less set
> out to make fun of it I think.
Well, naturally I thoroughly approve of the name of that movie. =;) And
it's actually probably the best coverage of cricket in a feature film
there's ever been, as for obvious reasons Hollywood isn't all that
interested.
Rabbitswift
@yahoo.co.ukdrivel> wrote:
> Rabbitswift <Rabbi...@Hotmail.com> wrote here on 11 Jul 2003:
>
> > I getcha, I think. I sounds like a game that actually requires
> > quite a bit of intellectual effort.
>
> Yep, which is probably why it's been rather marginalised by television
> in recent years. Though that has more to do with the BBC losing the TV
> contract to Channel 4, and therefore people now having to put up with
> advert breaks all the damn time. The Beeb still have the radio rights,
> and I much prefer that method of following the game myself.
>
to my first college advisors assertion that radio was the purer form of
communication. Certainly he didn't seem to have much love for televsion.
With the exception of a few programs most of my favorite stuff is on the
radio. Provided I can get it to come in. And it's not that there aren't good
television programs, or even thought provoking and intellegent ones. It's
just that television seems to be much more likely to pander to the lowest
common denominator.
> > Which is something I approve of myself.
> > Actually, and maybe my countrymen will forgive me one day for
> > saying this, but it sounds like a superior version of baseball.
>
> Naturally. =;) Actually, Channel 5 over here do sometimes show live
> baseball (an ESPN feed, I think) in the middle of the night, and I
> admit to rather liking it. It's certainly the American sport I find
> most enjoyable to watch.
>
if you actually knew anything about anyone on any of the teams though.
Baseball may be supposed to be America's national pastime but you see
precious little of it around here. They did build a stadium in Lexington not
too long ago but I've never had the opportunity to go to a game there. I
find the vast number of corporate logos around the place to be rather off
putting.
> > More or less, since I realize that there's probably vast
> > differences between the two games as well. Not that I really
> > understand baseball all that well either, but that just comes of
> > never paying attention. And of slightly preferring basketball in
> > any case. If I had to watch one or the other.
>
> Well, I'll make some enemies here, but I have to admit that I find
> watching basketball less than enthralling. Not as bad as American
> football, but getting there. I'm sure I'd find it a lot more
> interesting if I knew more about the game, of course, but for me it's
> just far too hectic, just as I'm sure cricket is way too slow for many
> other people. (And that's another fine thing about cricket - you can
> get to the top without having to be a certain shape.)
>
just that I've been so much surrounded by it all my life that I've picked up a
bit of an appreciation for the game, even if only slightly. When I was in the
high school band we did pep band for both the home football and
basketball games and I just got to prefer basketball. It's less violent, it's in
the warm and I was far less likely to have anything thrown at me by jerks
below the bleachers. That and since UK {University of Kentucky}
Basketball is practially a religion around here I've picked up on it a bit out
of a kind of self defense.
On the whole, however, I tend not to be all that interested in watching
sports, it's too passive an activity. It's the same reason I can't watch a lot
of television. It's not so much the pace of the sport, either slow or fast, that
puts me off as the fact that I can't bear to sit on my paws for extended
periods of time and do nothing.
> > But since it doesn't seem
> > likely we'll have cricket matches in the U.S.-at least not
> > professionally-in the near future
>
> In fact, not so. The 2007 World Cup is going to be hosted by the West
> Indies (who for historical reasons count as one country for cricketing
> purposes), and under some tremendously tacky marketing deal, it seems
> at least possible that two or three matches will be played at, er,
> Disneyland. Given that hosts qualify automatically, the USA team might
> even be playing (that's yet to be decided, I think). Of course, they
> *could* qualify on merit anyway via the ICC Trophy (a sort of sub-World
> Cup for lesser-ranked nations), but in all honesty it would be a major
> surprise if they managed to do so, as in the last Trophy (Toronto,
> 2001), they finished behind Holland, Namibia, Scotland, Canada, the
> United Arab Emirates and Denmark.
>
you really hear of. It's like I didn't know my college had a golf team until
there was some big deal about it one semester. Eh, well if they do play
then I wish them luck I s'pose.
> However, domestic cricket is concerned, I have to agree. Mainly
because
> as far as I can see from my outside perspective, the governance of the
> game in the US has been an utter shambles for several years (at least
> as bad as the WRU, for you rugby people!), with a quite unbelievable
> number of accusations flying around of financial irregularities, dodgy
> election results, people sticking their heads in the sand, etc etc.
> There are only 8,000 serious cricketers in the US, and at this rate
> that number won't ever go up. Anyone who's interested in all this murky
> stuff, this is the place:
>
that's not really even meant to be a joke. Sheesh.
> > my experience is doubtless going
> > to be extremely limited. I think the last time I saw anything to
> > do with cricket was in the movie "Lagaan" which more or less set
> > out to make fun of it I think.
>
> Well, naturally I thoroughly approve of the name of that movie. =;) And
> it's actually probably the best coverage of cricket in a feature film
> there's ever been, as for obvious reasons Hollywood isn't all that
> interested.
>
Well considering the Hollywood is mostly interested in producing the next
cookie-cutter "blockbuster hit" this comes as no surprise. Really I've
started looking to foreign films more and more if only for a bit of variety. Not
that Hollywood hasn't produced some good films lately, but there's still a bit
of sameness even to them sometimes.
Dennis Carr
> 1. What is your name?
> "Southpaw", Jere in RL
Southpaw or Jere? Aw, heck, either way, welcome again to the Homestead.
For food, tonight we have filet mignon. Hungry? =^^=
> 26. Has your furriness improved the quality of your life?
> So far, yes! At least, recognising it has helped (I feel more
> comfortable with who I am than I ever have before), although it has
> also been a time of great emotional turmoil.
Often it is, when repressed.
> 35. Is your furriness compatible with your religion?
> That is an issue I haven't fully decided yet. Officially I am a
> Christian (Anglican), but I parted company with the organised church
> some years ago. "My Religion" is mine personally now as I have gone
> through Christianity and basically rejected a lot which just doesn't
> make sense to me. What's left is, I think, a pretty simple faith which
> includes a belief that there is a lot we don't know. I think the
> official church would take a dim view of furriness, but since My
> Religion is to me what I myself believe, it must eventually become
> compatible with furriness - although I do wonder how it all fits
> together.
>
> I must say, though, that I was praying for a solution and I found
> myself at ALF, and I am quite certain that it is the right place to
> be. God moves in mysterious ways, as they say.
Might I suggest Unicorn and Gryphon? (Check Yahoogroups)
> 46. What are your favourite furry mailing lists?
> Not on any yet. Recommendations?
Funny you should ask.. =^_^=
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unicorn_and_gryphon
Welcome again,
--
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http://www.dennis.furtopia.org | But I have more fun that way.
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Delve
>the stuff, and one of the things I particularly like is the variety
>of malts you get. Laphroiag is probably my favourite, though it's
>very much an acquired taste on account of being so peaty.
>
See, I intend to learn first-hand myself as soon as I can. We've got some
downstairs but I try not to touch it much as it was a miracle I convinced my
mother to buy it at all. It's good tho'. I'll check what it is later.
Wolfie
news:Xns93B62036BB1AB...@204.152.186.157:
> Rabbitswift <Rabbi...@Hotmail.com> wrote here on 11 Jul
> 2003:
>
>> I getcha, I think. I sounds like a game that actually
>> requires quite a bit of intellectual effort.
>
> Yep,
Well, it'll never take off here then. I ran across a 19 year old
a couple days ago (I work with him, but we're on different
shifts so I never see him) who honestly thought that Herpes was
a black disease and that white people only get it from sleeping
with black people. When a black guy I know explained to him that
there is a much smaller black population than white and there
was no way all of them had slept with the same 12 people, he
says "Then it must be a Mexican thing". He was serious too. I
live in a place where ignorance is the right choice, stupidity
is demanded and "Watership Down" is nothing more than "Peter
Pan" b/c it's "A kid's book" (Which I rabidly disagree with!
That's like saying "Rage" is just like what happened at
Columbine. It's just not so! Damn the people who look at a book
and make their assumption!)
Anyway, my point being that most Americans like their brains to
atrophy. I might find cricket interesting if I ever watched it
and had someone to explain what was happeneing until I caught
on. But I doubt it could keep my attention for longer than 2
hours at a time. Very small attention span
Wolfie - The very vented wolf.
Southpaw
Jul 2003 20:51:08 -0700 with:
>On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:50:29 +1200, Southpaw wrote:
>
>> 1. What is your name?
>> "Southpaw", Jere in RL
>
>Southpaw or Jere? Aw, heck, either way, welcome again to the Homestead.
>For food, tonight we have filet mignon. Hungry? =^^=
Yum, thanks... I like it medium rare. And 'Southpaw' is probably best
on here.
>> I must say, though, that I was praying for a solution and I found
>> myself at ALF, and I am quite certain that it is the right place to
>> be. God moves in mysterious ways, as they say.
>
>Might I suggest Unicorn and Gryphon? (Check Yahoogroups)
>
>
>> 46. What are your favourite furry mailing lists?
>> Not on any yet. Recommendations?
>
>Funny you should ask.. =^_^=
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unicorn_and_gryphon
>
Thanks for the suggestion - will look into it. Must be honest,
however, and say I don't really know how a mailing list works. That's
sad for a bear with a degree in Comp. Sci. Perhaps I should describe
myself as a 'Seasoned Newbie'? Oh well, only one way to find out...
will have to join.
Well, thanks for the welcome! See you round (like a rat in a blender?
No that's not very nice).
Mumff,
Loganberry
> Sometimes when a big match is on you can get a ball by ball text
> update on the web.
Actually, the forthcoming England v South Africa series (five Test
Matches between July and September) will have streaming audio of the
legendary (seriously) "Test Match Special" programme over the web,
thanks to the BBC managing to get the rights for such. More about
that here:
I'm really looking forward to this particular series, actually, as
the two teams are pretty closely matched, and we should get some good
fights, so long as people stay fit. (Hah!)
> Howzaaaaat? (And the bear's been given out LBW for a duck. He's
> heading back to the pavillion).
Umpires, eh? I'm sure that pitched outside leg stump! =;)
Loganberry
[This fool says that...]
> "Watership Down" is nothing more than "Peter
> Pan" b/c it's "A kid's book" (Which I rabidly disagree with!
Well, of course you do. Who wouldn't? But that subject's *very*
dangerous ground if I'm about...! I'll just let my 30-page rant on
the subject be taken as read.
Though actually Peter Pan is a very odd book too in a lot of ways,
though very few people actually read it these days.
Mort
> The Beeb still have the radio rights,
> and I much prefer that method of following the game myself.
I always found that the best method of actually watching a game of
cricket was to have the TV on with the sounds muted and keep a radio
playing radio 4 in the corner, much better commentary.
Also means you get the excellent commentary about the the area
surrounding the game, including buildings, traffic etc. and get to hear
about the cakes that get sent in ;)
--
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/,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_
"Never attribute to furryness what can be |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'
adequately explained by humanity." '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL
Wolfie
news:Xns93B69A234D1F6...@204.152.186.157:
> Wolfie <wolfie_the...@hotmail.com> wrote here on 12
> Jul 2003:
>
> [This fool says that...]
>> "Watership Down" is nothing more than "Peter
>> Pan" b/c it's "A kid's book" (Which I rabidly disagree
>> with!
>
> Well, of course you do. Who wouldn't? But that subject's
> *very* dangerous ground if I'm about...! I'll just let my
> 30-page rant on the subject be taken as read.
I haddn't even finished it (I was in "Bigwig Stands His Ground")
and I realized that, while it was written so that a kid could
read it, the issues aren't really for children. Maybe I read too
much into it, but it seems to be a very adult book in the things
it goes into. I don't see why the local library put it in "KIds"
except for the rabbit on the cover. But when the cover says
"Exile, courage and survival", it shows that it's not just a
kiddie story.
> Though actually Peter Pan is a very odd book too in a lot
> of ways, though very few people actually read it these
> days.
>
I'm actually interested in reading it. A movie is being made
about the author and what caused the writing. From what I've
gathered, there was a JOhn Darling. Triva about Peter Pan: The
name Wendy didn't exist before the book. It was made up
(Probably as a shortened version of Gwendolyn (Gwendy), my
thought anyway) because the author wanted a name that haddn't
been used and re-used in literature.
Southpaw
12 Jul 2003 14:09:06 +0000 (UTC) with:
>> ..."Watership Down" is nothing more than "Peter
>> Pan" b/c it's "A kid's book" (Which I rabidly disagree with!
>
>Well, of course you do. Who wouldn't? But that subject's *very*
>dangerous ground if I'm about...! I'll just let my 30-page rant on
>the subject be taken as read.
This is asking for a rant, but...
Funny thing about Watership Down - The animated movie came out when I
was just a wee cub (must have been in the early 1980's) and I remember
they played it at school. All I remember is being EXTREMELY scared by
it. I must bave been 5 or 6. The very name gives me jitters even now.
A few years ago I decided I had to face my fear, so I read the book,
which I found to be very enjoyable, although I can see how parts could
have been scarey too. Like many good childerens classics it is a great
read for all ages.
I thought it may have been just me, but I was talking to one of my
cave-mates about it (who is the same age as me) and he said he also
remembered being extremely frightened by the movie.
Was the movie worth seeing? And wes it really scarey? I have been too
frightened to watch it again, and I can't remember anything about it.
Mumff,
Southpaw (shaking at the very thought).
Loganberry
> I haddn't even finished it (I was in "Bigwig Stands His Ground")
> and I realized that, while it was written so that a kid could
> read it, the issues aren't really for children. Maybe I read too
> much into it, but it seems to be a very adult book in the things
> it goes into. I don't see why the local library put it in "KIds"
> except for the rabbit on the cover. But when the cover says
> "Exile, courage and survival", it shows that it's not just a
> kiddie story.
Yup. I should warn you that given the opportunity, I can talk about
that book for *hours* without stopping, but on this particualar
point, Richard Adams has said on several occasions that he dislikes
the idea of, if you like, placing children's books *here* and adult
books *there*. It's a book that, I think like many of the best
stories, can be read at different times of life, getting something
new from it each time.
Having said that, there are indeed some parts of the plot that
certainly wouldn't be considered "children's reading" (by many
adults, anyway; children themselves are generally rather more capable
of coping with these things than they're often given credit for).
There's the violence of Nature, of course, but on a less obvious
level there are some very dark undercurrents indeed in, say, the
treatment of does in Efrafa or just what Vervain actually does.
> Triva about Peter Pan: The
> name Wendy didn't exist before the book.
That's what people say, and until recently I said so too. But an
article in, I think, BBC History Magazine a few months ago did manage
to dig up several people with that name from well before JM Barrie's
time - including a *man* named Wendy from several hundred years back.
Wolfie
news:q3l1hvc413k9pomoc...@4ax.com:
> Was the movie worth seeing? And wes it really scarey? I
> have been too frightened to watch it again, and I can't
> remember anything about it.
I probably was scary. Things that don't scare us as jaded adults
scare us as children. I used to be too scared to sleep without
some kind of light, now I can't sleep with any door open. The
former is a childhood thing that many kids have. The latter is a
fear based on physical expierence. While it's not something that
most people find scary, it does scare me. The movie could have
had a significant enough of an impact on you to still scare you
today. I was forced to sit thru Arachnophobia when I was little
(Terrified of spiders here) and, even though it's not a scary
movie, I'm still afriad when I watch it because of the fear I
felt back then. Watch it again. If it scares you now, then it is
scary for you. I've never seen it.
Rabbitswift
> Loganberry wrote in
> news:Xns93B69A234D1F6...@204.152.186.157:
>
> > Wolfie <wolfie_the...@hotmail.com> wrote here on 12
> > Jul 2003:
> >
> > [This fool says that...]
> >> "Watership Down" is nothing more than "Peter
> >> Pan" b/c it's "A kid's book" (Which I rabidly disagree
> >> with!
> >
> > Well, of course you do. Who wouldn't? But that subject's
> > *very* dangerous ground if I'm about...! I'll just let my
> > 30-page rant on the subject be taken as read.
>
> I haddn't even finished it (I was in "Bigwig Stands His Ground")
> and I realized that, while it was written so that a kid could
> read it, the issues aren't really for children. Maybe I read too
> much into it, but it seems to be a very adult book in the things
> it goes into. I don't see why the local library put it in "KIds"
> except for the rabbit on the cover. But when the cover says
> "Exile, courage and survival", it shows that it's not just a
> kiddie story.
>
that can be seen as meaningful on multiple levels. And while it's not kiddie
lit, per se, I don't really think it's unsuitable for children. Rather it's more like
what was read to me when I was a kit and what I might read to my own
kits, if I have them. It's a shame, then, that so many adults look at anything
having to do with animals as kiddie lit. But I've been on that rant before...
> > Though actually Peter Pan is a very odd book too in a lot
> > of ways, though very few people actually read it these
> > days.
> >
>
> I'm actually interested in reading it. A movie is being made
> about the author and what caused the writing. From what I've
> gathered, there was a JOhn Darling. Triva about Peter Pan: The
> name Wendy didn't exist before the book. It was made up
> (Probably as a shortened version of Gwendolyn (Gwendy), my
> thought anyway) because the author wanted a name that haddn't
> been used and re-used in literature.
>
to actually read the original book for Peter Pan. I'd be willing to bet it's
superior to a lot of the more popular re-hashings at least.
Wolfie
news:Xns93B73237825DF...@204.152.186.157:
> Yup. I should warn you that given the opportunity, I can
> talk about that book for *hours* without stopping, but on
> this particualar point, Richard Adams has said on several
> occasions that he dislikes the idea of, if you like,
> placing children's books *here* and adult books *there*.
> It's a book that, I think like many of the best stories,
> can be read at different times of life, getting something
> new from it each time.
On some cases, I can see definite adult or children. But what
really gets me is that if it looks like it could be a childs
book in the slightest, it's automatically thrown in childrens
without a second thought. "Lord of the Flies" is considered a
children's book and it was assigned as reading in 9th grade. I
think a kid could cope with it, but I don't think it's designed
for them.
> Having said that, there are indeed some parts of the plot
> that certainly wouldn't be considered "children's reading"
> (by many adults, anyway; children themselves are generally
> rather more capable of coping with these things than
> they're often given credit for). There's the violence of
> Nature, of course, but on a less obvious level there are
> some very dark undercurrents indeed in, say, the treatment
> of does in Efrafa or just what Vervain actually does.
DOn't get me wrong, children could easily deal with the book.
But a lot of parents would read it and scream that a library
said it was for kids. Our eyes are open to a lot more things as
adults. As a kid, you'd see that the does aren't very happy but
you might not really understand the issues. Wait a few years and
the book takes a darker turn.
> That's what people say, and until recently I said so too.
> But an article in, I think, BBC History Magazine a few
> months ago did manage to dig up several people with that
> name from well before JM Barrie's time - including a *man*
> named Wendy from several hundred years back.
>
Really? Very cool. Yet another piece of trivia for me to trash.
A man named Wendy. Why not, I know a girl named Ryan.
Skytech
> Hello, I'm back from holiday!
>
Hi, welcome back..uhhh.
> I posted a couple of weeks ago as "BigSoftPaw", in a rather confused
> fashion, then promptly disappeared.
>
Oh okay, not BigSoftPaw...
>
> One small change: I called myself "BigSoftPaw" which was a name I
> picked "on the spur of the moment", not having ever considered
having
> a furry name before. However, Seeing as I live at a somewhat
Southern
> latitude and am left-pawed, I think "Southpaw" would fit me well and
> be easier to say.
>
Well then, welcome back Southpaw! Fresh fishsticks and hushpuppies on
the fine morning.
--
La gvatantaj vulpoj (The vigilant foxes)
Skytech Lana
^^ ^^
<@@> <~~>
.] .]
Loganberry
<snip>
[Watership Down]
> Was the movie worth seeing? And wes it really scarey? I have been
> too frightened to watch it again, and I can't remember anything
> about it.
I think it's a very good film of its type, given that movie
adaptations of long novels are generally pretty poor. I'd say it was
certainly worth seeing, although it does help to have read the book
beforehand, as some parts of the plot are so condensed that it's hard
to follow what's going on otherwise.
And yes, it is quite frightening in parts. I've always been surprised
by the fact that it was rated as a U over here (same as G) rather
than a PG, as there's a *lot* of bloody violence in it. Not
gratuituous, but you won't forget Bigwig choking in the snare,
Holly's description of the destruction of Sandleford or Blackavar's
ripped ears in Efrafa.
Southpaw
shed light on the issue with this:
>
>Well then, welcome back Southpaw! Fresh fishsticks and hushpuppies on
>the fine morning.
Thank you!
And it is a fine morning here - this morning we have a real 'frog',
which is a frost and fog at the same time. Solid frost, too (for this
latitude) - nice crispy coating of ice around the cave, and my
thermometer is reading 0 degrees C (I haven't seen it go lower than 4
before as it's sheltered under the eves of the building). No wonder it
felt a wee bit chilly last night.
It's going to be a beautiful winter day. I'm just glad my first class
isn't until 11. My bicycle is probably frozen up anyway.
Well, thanks for the welome! See you around.
Mumff,
Southpaw.
Southpaw
<dav...@yahoo.co.ukdrivel> shed light on the issue with this:
>I think it's a very good film of its type, given that movie
>adaptations of long novels are generally pretty poor. I'd say it was
>certainly worth seeing, although it does help to have read the book
>beforehand, as some parts of the plot are so condensed that it's hard
>to follow what's going on otherwise.
>
>And yes, it is quite frightening in parts. I've always been surprised
>by the fact that it was rated as a U over here (same as G) rather
>than a PG, as there's a *lot* of bloody violence in it. Not
>gratuituous, but you won't forget Bigwig choking in the snare,
>Holly's description of the destruction of Sandleford or Blackavar's
>ripped ears in Efrafa.
Well, thanks for the recommendation. I may have to face my fear and
watch it! Might read the book again though, as I seem to have
forgotten a fair bit of it.
Cheers,
Southpaw
Nightwind
> And leading on from that, I suspect one reason cricket has never taken
> off in the US is that it is entirely possible for the game to go the
> full five days and end in a draw, ie neither side winning. This happens
> less than it used to, as the game has become more aggressive and
> attacking in recent years, but if it rains a lot it will still happen.
> (Note that "draw" and "tie" do *not* mean the same thing in cricket - a
> "tie" is when the two teams finish with exactly equal aggregates, which
> given the high-scoring nature of the game is very unusual.)
ok, but what exactally IS a draw, if it isn't the same score on both
sides?
--
Nightwind
"The wind has no destination"
Aim Nightwnd90
Icq 23044454
Loganberry
>> (Note that "draw" and "tie" do
>> *not* mean the same thing in cricket - a "tie" is when the two
>> teams finish with exactly equal aggregates, which given the
>> high-scoring nature of the game is very unusual.)
>
> ok, but what exactally IS a draw, if it isn't the same score on
> both sides?
Well, at the risk of making things even *more* confusing, you *can*
have a draw with the scores level, that *still* isn't the same as a
tie...
A tie occurs when both sides have completed both innings, and the
aggregate scores are level.
A draw, on the other hand, occurs when, for whatever reason (rain,
commonly), the allotted time (five days for a Test Match) is up, and
four innings have not been completed. Some examples:
Example 1:
England 200 and 300;
Australia 250 and 250.
Both sides have completed their two innings, and both aggregates are
exactly the same (500). Match is tied. There have only been two tied
Test Matches in over 100 years.
Example 2:
England 300 and 300
Australia 250 and 300/7
The match has ended before Australia can reach England's aggregate, but
with Australian wickets still in hand in their second innings (ie only
7 of 10 outs). Match is drawn.
Example 3:
England 350 and 150
Australia 250 and 250/4
Here, the scores are exactly level, but time has run out before
Australia can score the one more run they need to win. As the innings
is not completed, this is a draw with scores level, rather than a tie.
This happened, for example, a few years ago in a Zimbabwe v England
Test Match.
Southpaw
<dav...@yahoo.co.ukdrivel> shed light on the issue with this:
>A draw, on the other hand, occurs when, for whatever reason (rain,
>commonly), the allotted time (five days for a Test Match) is up, and
>four innings have not been completed. Some examples:
According to my knowledge of cricket history (I'm sure Loganberry will
correct me if I'm wrong :) ) the 5 day limited test match is a
'recent' addition to the game - test matches used to go on
indefinitely until both innings had been completed. I heard that there
was one match between England a touring side which went on for many
days and finally had to be called a draw because the touring side's
boat was leaving!
-Because that's the kinds of things they talk about during the drinks
breaks.
Mumff,
Loganberry
> According to my knowledge of cricket history (I'm sure Loganberry
> will correct me if I'm wrong :) ) the 5 day limited test match is
> a 'recent' addition to the game - test matches used to go on
> indefinitely until both innings had been completed. I heard that
> there was one match between England a touring side which went on
> for many days and finally had to be called a draw because the
> touring side's boat was leaving!
>
> -Because that's the kinds of things they talk about during the
> drinks breaks.
Um... you're wrong. =:P
Well, partly - the "timeless Tests" were only used for the deciding
Test of a series; the others were five days as now (well, actually
six, as Sundays were usually a rest day, which is no longer the
case).
However, you're quite right about the specific example you mention -
that was in March 1939, between South Africa and England in Durban.
England were chasing the huge total of 696 to win, which had they
done it would have been easily a world record even today (only a very
few sides have successfully chased 400+), but when rain ended play on
the tenth day, with them tantalisingly close at 654/5, they couldn't
stay another day or they would have missed the boat train. So the
match was drawn.
Nightwind
> DOn't get me wrong, children could easily deal with the book.
> But a lot of parents would read it and scream that a library
> said it was for kids. Our eyes are open to a lot more things as
> adults. As a kid, you'd see that the does aren't very happy but
> you might not really understand the issues. Wait a few years and
> the book takes a darker turn.
It strikes me that there is one serrous method that could be sued that
would likely solve this, but tis not the thing you most want to hear, as
it also invites censership. Remember when video games started getting
rating on them, depending on the age aproprateness of them? I think
such a thing could apply to book, especially if it was applied as a
joint thing betwen author and some pannel somewhere.. book sent in, with
sugestion, pannel reads it, checking for excepts and comments, and then
confirms or denies rating....
This also leads to the same possible abuses...
"sorry kid, we woln't lend you this book, because it's rated too old for
you"
or
"sorry, but we woln't let you book into our bookstore, it's childrens
section is for young children only, and the themes that can be expressed
to older kids might scare them"
Southpaw
<dav...@yahoo.co.ukdrivel> shed light on the issue with this:
>Um... you're wrong. =:P
>
>Well, partly - the "timeless Tests" were only used for the deciding
>Test of a series; the others were five days as now (well, actually
>six, as Sundays were usually a rest day, which is no longer the
>case).
>
>However, you're quite right about the specific example you mention -
>that was in March 1939, between South Africa and England in Durban.
>England were chasing the huge total of 696 to win, which had they
>done it would have been easily a world record even today (only a very
>few sides have successfully chased 400+), but when rain ended play on
>the tenth day, with them tantalisingly close at 654/5, they couldn't
>stay another day or they would have missed the boat train. So the
>match was drawn.
Ah haaa! It appears that you are the Test Cricket Oracle.
*Southpaw the bear humbly clasps his paws together and bows
respectfully*.
I probably heard that info 2nd hand somewhere - So now I know the full
story and can add it to my cricket trivia. Thanks!
Mumff,
Southpaw
-Who's store of useless knowledge gets greater every day.
Wolfie
> Wolfie wrote:
>
>> DOn't get me wrong, children could easily deal with the
>> book. But a lot of parents would read it and scream that a
>> library said it was for kids. Our eyes are open to a lot
>> more things as adults. As a kid, you'd see that the does
>> aren't very happy but you might not really understand the
>> issues. Wait a few years and the book takes a darker turn.
>
> It strikes me that there is one serrous method that could
> be sued that would likely solve this, but tis not the thing
> you most want to hear, as it also invites censership.
> Remember when video games started getting rating on them,
> depending on the age aproprateness of them? I think such a
> thing could apply to book, especially if it was applied as
> a joint thing betwen author and some pannel somewhere..
> book sent in, with sugestion, pannel reads it, checking for
> excepts and comments, and then confirms or denies
> rating....
Parents ought to get more involved in their kids lives! When
parents were paying attention to what their kids were doing, the
games didn't need freakin' ratings. Neither would books if
parents would take a f***ing interest in their children's lives!
I mean, is it asking to damn much to find out what little Jimmy
or little Carrie is reading? Or watching? Or playing? and they
deciding if your child is mature enough for that?! If you can't
do /that/, perhaps you shouldn't have a child. NOt directing
this at you, Nightwind, but you hit a tender spot.
Wolfie - Who deals with kids who are abused and neglected on
almost a daily basis.
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Loganberry
> Ah haaa! It appears that you are the Test Cricket Oracle.
>
> *Southpaw the bear humbly clasps his paws together and bows
> respectfully*.
>
> I probably heard that info 2nd hand somewhere - So now I know the
> full story and can add it to my cricket trivia. Thanks!
Ah, well... don't thank me, thank The Bearded Wonder, Bill Frindall,
as though I did know the outline, the exact details (eg the scores) I
found somewhere on Frindall's section of the BBC Online Test Match
Special pages.
Loganberry
> It strikes me that there is one serrous method that could be sued
> that would likely solve this, but tis not the thing you most want
> to hear, as it also invites censership. Remember when video games
> started getting rating on them, depending on the age aproprateness
> of them? I think such a thing could apply to book, especially if
> it was applied as a joint thing betwen author and some pannel
> somewhere.. book sent in, with sugestion, pannel reads it,
> checking for excepts and comments, and then confirms or denies
> rating....
Yeah, but how on earth do you rate books like WD? Here in Britain, it
generally gets stuck in the "Fiction age 8-12" section of the
bookshops, but then some people (*waves*) don't think it's
"children's" fiction at all.
Luta Ariadt
> *A large, shaggy brown bear ducks into his cave, shakes the snow off
> his fur, and says hello to his cave-mates. He heads off to his own
> snug little chamber and busies himself filling out a long sheet with
> numerous interesting questions.*
*A dragon watches the snow clouds insinuate heavily across the horizon. A drop
of sweat hits the ground; he checks the thermometer, 97 F. "That system's come
in from /far/ south, almost like someone brought it with them..." He puts down
the puzzle he was playing with and flies off to investigate.*
> 1. What is your name?
> "Southpaw", Jere in RL
And hi to you! Please enjoy a nice bowl of soup. As long as it's winter, it's
a nice hot bowl of beef stew, Mom's secret recipe. If you happen to visit the
northern hemisphere of Homestead you'll find it a refreshing bowl of gaspacho.
Or you can stand on the equator and watch it dance. :)
> 5. Where do you live?
> Hamilton ("Hamtown"), New Zealand
*envy!*
I spent some time in NZ, a couple years ago. Unfortunately it was only a few
days, and I didn't get outside of Christchurch much. Fell in love with what I
did see, though! Whereabouts on the islands is Hamilton?
> 7. What do you do for a living?
> I used to design databases and web applications; nowdays I am paid a
> meagre sum by the government to study Geology.
This is by choice, I take it?
> 29. Do you act furry in public?
> Probably not in a way anyone would notice, although I often feel like
> I am on the inside. It has more to do with the way I see things and
> the way I feel as I move as opposed to the actual things I do.
Ah, I know the feeling.
> 44. Do you think it is acceptable to hunt/raise animals for sport?
> No (Is that a trick question? Are people who answer 'Yes' allowed on
> ALF?).
They haven't kicked me out yet... actually, I answered "kind of" since I
wasn't too sure how it meant (still not.) With the deer I killed my
co-hunters, family and I all made use of them, and with our low predator
populations it was for the good of the species as well. But I still enjoyed
it, it was partially for "sport". Another example I raised was of hunters
killing prarie dogs purely for fun, leaving the bodies. If they didn't, the
landowners would use poison. Does the fact the hunters have fun make their
actions any worse? In my opinion the question is too vague, and should
encourage differetiation between, say, hare coursing and horse racing.
> Well, that's the end! Thanks for taking the time to read this far. I
> wouldn't blame you if you thought my head was a mess. Hope that's
> changing now!
No, join us! It's blisssssss............. *drool*
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Luta Ariadt
> Loganberry <dav...@yahoo.co.ukdrivel> shed light on the issue on Fri,
> 11 Jul 2003 09:49:47 +0000 (UTC) with:
>>Still, better that than Vegemite - ugh. =;)
>
>
> Now you're treading on very thin ice. Vegemite is the king of all
> mites! Har har! Vegemite for ever! (Cue marmite / vegemite flame war).
>
> This is the point where all the Americans, Euros, etc, go "Huh?"
>
> 'Nuf of that.
> Southpaw
Actually, I tried the stuff (vegemite) at one of the hotels, that had it in
one of those little pouches with jellies and jams and stuff. It wasn't bad,
but I can't see it as a breakfast spread. How do the natives eat it?
Southpaw
<luta_...@yahoo.com> shed light on the issue with this:
>Actually, I tried the stuff (vegemite) at one of the hotels, that had it in
>one of those little pouches with jellies and jams and stuff. It wasn't bad,
>but I can't see it as a breakfast spread. How do the natives eat it?
Breakfast, lunch, and dinner! Particularly breakfast, though.
Best on buttered toast, but you can also eat it on bread.
Actually I don't eat it all the time, but sometimes I get a real
craving for it.
Mumff,
Southpaw.
Southpaw
<luta_...@yahoo.com> shed light on the issue with this:
>And hi to you! Please enjoy a nice bowl of soup. As long as it's winter, it's
>a nice hot bowl of beef stew, Mom's secret recipe. If you happen to visit the
>northern hemisphere of Homestead you'll find it a refreshing bowl of gaspacho.
>Or you can stand on the equator and watch it dance. :)
Yummy, thanks! Just the thing for a winter's day. In case there's
confusion, I should point out that it doesn't actually snow often
where I live - that was kind of poetic liscence. In fact the only time
it has snowed here was 1903, IIRC.
>> 5. Where do you live?
>> Hamilton ("Hamtown"), New Zealand
>
>*envy!*
>
>I spent some time in NZ, a couple years ago. Unfortunately it was only a few
>days, and I didn't get outside of Christchurch much. Fell in love with what I
>did see, though! Whereabouts on the islands is Hamilton?
Glad you like our little country. Everyone who saw Lord Of The Rings
knows how amazingly beautiful it is. Well, of course, the movies
showed off the best bits...
Christchurch is of course in the South Island where there are lots of
fantastic mountains. (Geology Trivia: The Southern Alps are being
forced up at about 4cm (1.5 Inch?) per year, and eroding at about the
same rate. If the uplift stopped, they would be gone in about 1
million years due to erosion). I want to move down there some day when
I finish studying. Hamilton is inland (the only city in NZ without a
harbour) in the North Island, South of Auckland (People say "Oh, you
live in Hamilton? That's nice, only 1 1/5 hours drive from Auckland!".
Like we would want to go to Auckland.) We are surrounded by miles of
dairy farms and we have a river. This is the dairy farming capital of
the country. Cow Town, in other words. But generally its a nice little
city, not too big. If you've seen LOTR, think of Hobbiton and the
Shire. That was filmed just a bit south of Hamilton (the city doesn't
look quite like that, though).
>> 7. What do you do for a living?
>> I used to design databases and web applications; nowdays I am paid a
>> meagre sum by the government to study Geology.
>
>This is by choice, I take it?
Yup. I hated the programming I was doing and felt totally trapped. So
last year I quit and went snowboarding and hiking in the mountains,
and now I am have gone back to University to study Geology as I find
it very interesting and I am looking for a job which gets me out a bit
- no more staring at the screen all day.
>> 44. Do you think it is acceptable to hunt/raise animals for sport?
>> No (Is that a trick question? Are people who answer 'Yes' allowed on
>> ALF?).
>
>They haven't kicked me out yet... actually, I answered "kind of" since I
>wasn't too sure how it meant (still not.) With the deer I killed my
>co-hunters, family and I all made use of them, and with our low predator
>populations it was for the good of the species as well. But I still enjoyed
>it, it was partially for "sport". Another example I raised was of hunters
>killing prarie dogs purely for fun, leaving the bodies. If they didn't, the
>landowners would use poison. Does the fact the hunters have fun make their
>actions any worse? In my opinion the question is too vague, and should
>encourage differetiation between, say, hare coursing and horse racing.
The bit about it being a trick question was a joke, really. I can
tolerate hunting sometimes (see my post on "Southpaw gives
consideration to issues..."), particularly in our country where many
species have been introduced and wrecked the ecological balance. Don't
think I'd do it myself, though. Not now-days.
I have to admit, I have shot a few Opossums in the past when I lived
on a farm - it was just what you did (they were a real pest). It used
to really bug me if someone did a bad job and didn't kill the animal
cleanly, though - I hate to see them suffer. I have some mixed
feelings about this now as we have to control certain species in this
country. Also my Uncle has a farm and if I go out there, I know he
will invite me to go shooting - not sure if I would want to. I hadn't
thought in terms of horse racing for this question. From what I know,
race horses are generally pretty well treated and seem to enjoy
racing, so I think that's OK.
>No, join us! It's blisssssss............. *drool*
Too right... I am certainly enjoying it!
Thanks!
Southpaw
Loganberry
[Vegemite]
> How do the natives eat it?
Haven't a clue, but with the *proper* stuff (ie Marmite), best way is
to spread it - *thinly* on hot buttered toast. A lot of people try it
and hate it because they've ladled it on like jam - imagine eating a
tablespoonful of horseradish or something and you'll see the point.