'Totem' animal?
wolfh...@hotmail.com
Greetings, fellow furs. I'm still rather new to this NG, and I did read the
FAQ already, but I'm still kind of confused as to what the "totem animal' is?
Can anyfur help shed some light to this confused fur? I'd say what I think
it might mean here, but too embarrased. Feel free to either e-mail me, or
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Buster J. Bunny
Captain Packrat wrote:
> Basically, it is an animal spirit that acts as a guide, teacher, or
> guardian. Sort of an animal guardian angel. A totem animal often
> influences a person's habits or personality.
>
OK, another simple question, given I am still searching for my
Totem animal, how does one FIND their totem animal? what we are
and what our guide may be could be very differnt. is there anyone
here how can help with this? (seems Pagen or Native Americans may
be best versed in this (just a guess, not meant as a generalization))
BJB
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> I'm still kind of confused as to what the "totem animal' is?
Hello! As I understand (and belive) the totem animal is the animal with which
you feel you are 'connected'. I *am* a wolf, and so my totem animal is the
wolf. That's the best way I can describe it. It's the animal you feel
'connected' with. Perhaps it's your fav. animal, or perhaps not, whatever it
is depends on you.
Hope I've helped,
Lakota B. Wolf ^. .^
Lako...@aol.com , who has been away from this NG for a L-O-N-G time, due to
ao(smell)'s usual problems. :)
Captain Packrat
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:33:45 -0600, wolfh...@hotmail.com wrote:
>Greetings, fellow furs. I'm still rather new to this NG, and I did read the
>FAQ already, but I'm still kind of confused as to what the "totem animal' is?
(ultra simplified version)
Basically, it is an animal spirit that acts as a guide, teacher, or
guardian. Sort of an animal guardian angel. A totem animal often
influences a person's habits or personality.
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T'zisorey TigerWuf
"Buster J. Bunny" <bus...@dreamscrape.com> wrote:
> OK, another simple question, given I am still searching for my
> Totem animal, how does one FIND their totem animal?
><snip>
This may sound simplistic - but the way I found my totem, was by asking it!
No, seriously - on advice from a friend
(http://www.gwi.net/`phelan/spiritw1.html) I thought about all the various
animals I have an affinity for, and visualising each in turn, I asked the
totem of that animal to give me a sign within a fortnight, if it was my
totem. (And don't be afraid to ask again if you're not sure if you got a
response)
In the first fortnight, I found an ad for a tiger "fine-art" plate from
Franklin mint (one of those $120 things). With only the one ad I wasn't
sure, so I asked the tiger totem again - and in the next week, I found 2 ads
for 2 different "fine-art" tiger plates, and an ad for a series of young
feline "fine-art" plates - with the first plate in the series being a tiger
kitten, and the 5th a white tiger kitten.
If that's not a sign, I don't know what is!
Hope this helps! B-3
Cheers! B-3
--
T'zisorey TigerWuf of Pack Ktasha (a.k.a. Altaica)
Australian WereTigerWolf
Rasha
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 wolfh...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Greetings, fellow furs. I'm still rather new to this NG, and I did read the
> FAQ already, but I'm still kind of confused as to what the "totem animal' is?
> it might mean here, but too embarrased. Feel free to either e-mail me, or
> post back here. Thanks in advance. --------------------
Hrm...I'm sure you have been/will be flooded with responses to this, and
most of 'em will be better than mine, so I'll keep mine brief. In short,
I always felt that a totem is an animal spirit (usually "The" animal
spirit, like Fox as opposed to "a fox") that chooses to guide and assist
you during your life. Your totem animal will also strongly affect your
personality by showing you a particular way of dealing with things, though
there are many variations on that theme.
In this sense, I don't have an actual totem; Fox hasn't chosen me, and
neither has "Dragon." But I do have a fox as a "spirit guide" or
something, although he's made it pretty clear to me that he doesn't *have*
to be a fox, and my dragon connection is more personal than a totem
relationship.
Hope that didn't confuse the matter too much!
-- Erin/Rasha, Always Wondering...
Rasha
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Buster J. Bunny wrote:
> OK, another simple question, given I am still searching for my
> and what our guide may be could be very differnt. is there anyone
> here how can help with this? (seems Pagen or Native Americans may
> be best versed in this (just a guess, not meant as a generalization))
> BJB
How I understand this is done is that you go out into a wild place and
wait for your totem to contact you. There are various rituals and
variations on this theme; I've heard everything from going into the desert
with the Shaman, who stops at a certain point and lets you continue on
with nothing but a waterbag, to somebody who went on a solitary camping
trip and came back with an amazing story about a bear and a lifelong
conviction. The essential element seems to be that you put yourself out
of contact with humans for a while, open your mind, and see who comes to
you.
-- Erin/Rasha, Who Wants To Do That Someday...
Rasha
On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, WebKitty wrote:
> lak...@aol.com (LAK0TA W) wrote:
> > wolf. That's the best way I can describe it. It's the animal you feel
> > 'connected' with. Perhaps it's your fav. animal, or perhaps not, whatever it
> > is depends on you.
> to be one's furry/animal form. I myself am feline, and yet I still feel
> strongly connected with Wolf and I think, Dragon.
> is the guide aspect of totemism) Dragon? Well, we shall see. Dragon
> seems to be quite content to stay in the background for now. :)
> WebKitty, muddying up the waters even more
This sounds very familiar... >:=8) I guess I could order it along these
lines:
I am a dragon/draconid, at least partially in spirit;
I have a dragon "alter ego" who is part of myself;
I have a fox spirit guide, who has made clear that he doesn't have to be a
fox if I don't want him to, though a fox seems the best form for him;
I feel very catlike and/or horselike at times, but don't feel any
particular connection with them.
To me, the totemic representation of an animal--Dragon, Fox, Horse, Cat,
etc.--is on a level with gods to some degree. And my conception of gods
is even more complicated! >;=8)
-- Rasha/Erin, Who Believes Many Things
MHansTyger
I'm coming in on the tail end of this discussion, so...(damn day job, why they
can't let me be pleasantly nocturnal...)
Sorry, wolfheart, it looks like different furs answer the "totem" question in
different ways. I don't know which philosophy said, "Find your own path," but
that may be the way that works. Crowley's "Do as thou wilt" comes closer for
me...
Me, I've always felt distinctly cat-like. And it shows on the surface, too.
I'm told I don't walk into a room, I stalk. People are surprised (have the
hell scared out of them sometimes) by how quietly I move--seems someone my size
(6' tall, 25"-shoulders, too many pounds on a frame that actually _is_ big
boned, ring size 14-15, if that tells you anything) apparently shouldn't move
quietly. And my way of holding back in a conversation, following everything
that's said intently, looking back and forth between the participants until I
find a place to jump in, has been described as cat-like.
Did tiger find me, or did I find her? I don't know. One day there she was,
filling my soul with her power and beauty. Finding my avatar came later,
though I honestly couldn't tell you if I created Melody, or she just formed
from my inner tiger-self. I can tell you I'm glad we found each other, though.
My answer is: seek your own totem, and you will know. And if you meet the
Buddha on the road, kill him.
M. Tyger
--who couldn't resist at least one wise-ass comment...
Arden
"Buster J. Bunny" <bus...@dreamscrape.com> wrote:
> OK, another simple question, given I am still searching for my
> Totem animal, how does one FIND their totem animal?
> <snip>
>>>Yes, but *why* does one feel the need to search for a totem animal? You either have one, or you don't. So, if you feel like you are searching, it's probabbly because you have *already* found you animal but are looking for a way to let it out consciously. A problem, yes, but a nice problem ;)
>> T'zisorey TigerWuf wrote:
>>This may sound simplistic - but the way I found my totem, was by asking it!
>>> That's a good approach - and maybe we can ask ourselves, too. Somethimes when I'm mad or hurt I'll take some quite time alone to reflect on what I feel and work it out. Sometimes *you* have to be your own channel, until you build on your totem. For me, the two have become intimately intertwined.
-Arden
Arden_Scentaur
Arden wrote:
>
> "Buster J. Bunny" <bus...@dreamscrape.com> wrote:
>
> OK, another simple question, given I am still searching for my
> Totem animal, how does one FIND their totem animal?
> <snip>
>
> >>Yes, but *why* does one feel the need to search for a totem animal? > >> You either have one, or you don't. So, if you feel like you are
> >> problem, yes, but a nice problem ;)
>
> > T'zisorey TigerWuf wrote:
> >This may sound simplistic - but the way I found my totem, was by asking it!
>
> >> That's a good approach - and maybe we can ask ourselves, too.
> >> Somethimes when I'm mad or hurt I'll take some quite time alone to > >> reflect on what I feel and work it out. Sometimes *you* have to be > >> your own channel, until you build on your totem. For me, the two
> >> have become intimately intertwined.
>
> >> Mail Formatting <<YEACHH!!>>
> -Arden
T'zisorey TigerWuf
Arden_Scentaur <ar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Arden wrote:
> >
> > "Buster J. Bunny" <bus...@dreamscrape.com> wrote:
> >
> > OK, another simple question, given I am still searching for my
> > Totem animal, how does one FIND their totem animal?
> > <snip>
>
> Yes, but *why* does one feel the need to search for a totem animal? You
> either have one, or you don't. So, if you feel like you are searching,
> it's probabbly because you have *already* found your animal but are
> looking for a way to let it out consciously. A problem, yes, but a nice
> problem ;)
Why do some feel the need to search for a totem animal? Definitely a good
question. I've noticed that for some people, particularly with furries (and
weres), the connection goes past just having a totem, to actually having (at
least in part) the spirit of that animal - inextricably intertwined into
their very being.
I'm one of those people, as are most of my closest friends, and I think that
people like us search for our totems, because the totem is an integral part
of ourselves - and through finding and getting in touch with our totems
allows us to find, and get in touch with ourselves. (Just *my* thoughts...
anyone with contrary POV?)
> > > T'zisorey TigerWuf wrote:
> > >This may sound simplistic - but the way I found my totem, was by asking it!
>
> That's a good approach - and maybe we can ask ourselves, too.
> Somethimes when I'm mad or hurt I'll take some quite time alone to
> reflect on what I feel and work it out. Sometimes *you* have to be
> your own channel, until you build on your totem. For me, the two
> have become intimately intertwined.
Well, in a way, that's precisely what you're doing with the method I
mentioned - albeit indirectly. If you want to get scientific, you could say
that you're asking your subconscious what your totem is, and rather than the
totem putting the signs there, your subconscious just makes you take notice
of signs that are already there, but which you normally would've ignored.
But I prefur the mystique of asking the totems ;)
(Okay - I only read one chapter of psychology... in highschool... so I could
be WAY off the mark ;)
> Mail Formatting <<YEACHH!!>>
> > -Arden
yeah, tell me about it B-3
Captain Packrat
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:03:27 -0500, "Buster J. Bunny"
<bus...@dreamscrape.com> wrote:
>Captain Packrat wrote:
>
>> Basically, it is an animal spirit that acts as a guide, teacher, or
>> guardian. Sort of an animal guardian angel. A totem animal often
>> influences a person's habits or personality.
>>
>OK, another simple question, given I am still searching for my
>Totem animal, how does one FIND their totem animal?
Sometimes, they'll contact you (as it was in my case). Otherwise, you may
have to use a ritual, such as meditation or a vision quest, or a device
such as medicine cards or a medicine wheel. Whether you use Pagan, Native
American, or another culture's rituals is up to you. I've found that,
while they may differ in the ceremonial aspects, the results are similar.
However the means of discovering your totems, they will always be a species
that you already have an affinity for, and one that matches your habits and
personalities. (For instance, I was a habitual collector long before Pack
Rat revealed himself.)
Some good books for learning about totems and/or familiars include:
Animal-Speak by Ted Andrews
Totems by Brad Steiger
Animal Magick by D.J. Conway
Medicine Cards by Jamie Sams & David Carson (book & deck of cards)
Dancing With The Wheel by Sun Bear, Wabun Wind, & Crysalis Mulligan
Dreaming With The Wheel by Sun Bear, Wabun Wind, & Shawnodese
These can be obtained from any chain book store, and if they do not have it
in stock, they can be special ordered.
D.Jean Cooper
Captain Packrat wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:03:27 -0500, "Buster J. Bunny"
> <bus...@dreamscrape.com> wrote:
>
> >Captain Packrat wrote:
> >
> >> Basically, it is an animal spirit that acts as a guide, teacher, or
> >> guardian. Sort of an animal guardian angel. A totem animal often
> >> influences a person's habits or personality.
> >>
> >OK, another simple question, given I am still searching for my
> >Totem animal, how does one FIND their totem animal?
>
> Sometimes, they'll contact you (as it was in my case). Otherwise, you may
> have to use a ritual, such as meditation or a vision quest, or a device
> such as medicine cards or a medicine wheel. Whether you use Pagan, Native
> American, or another culture's rituals is up to you. I've found that,
> while they may differ in the ceremonial aspects, the results are similar.
>
(Nods) I've been working with a Native woman who has told me just that,
Cap't. All the different paths are much the same, just different wordings.
> However the means of discovering your totems, they will always be a species
> that you already have an affinity for, and one that matches your habits and
> personalities. (For instance, I was a habitual collector long before Pack
> Rat revealed himself.)
>
<VBFG> Hmm. I wonder about that. I collect books. And some more books. And
yet some other books. <G> I also like to collect nice looking things,
candle-holders, statuettes, rocks, and some books. Did I mention that I
collect books? <VBG>
> Some good books for learning about totems and/or familiars include:
>
> Animal-Speak by Ted Andrews
> Totems by Brad Steiger
> Animal Magick by D.J. Conway
> Medicine Cards by Jamie Sams & David Carson (book & deck of cards)
> Dancing With The Wheel by Sun Bear, Wabun Wind, & Crysalis Mulligan
> Dreaming With The Wheel by Sun Bear, Wabun Wind, & Shawnodese
>
<Wince> Here is where I beg to differ, Cap't. Brad Steiger, unless he's
changed his format over the years, tends to sensationalism. He only shows a
part of what rings true and gives the customer a bunch of hoo-haw for the
rest. Too difficult to winnow out the good from all of his chaff. And D.J.
Conway gives Llewellyn Publishing a bad name. I only have one of her books and
that is to show others what *not* to get. She does no research and what little
does pass for it, is never properly attributed. Her ramblings raise the
hackles on my neck and make me growl - loudly, in irritation. The rest of your
list is of authors who do research and give good info for the money the
customer pays.
> These can be obtained from any chain book store, and if they do not have it
> in stock, they can be special ordered.
>
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Matt Sq
In article <351882...@dreamscrape.com>, "Buster J. Bunny"
<bus...@dreamscrape.com> writes:
>OK, another simple question, given I am still searching for my
>Totem animal, how does one FIND their totem animal? what we are
>and what our guide may be could be very differnt. is there anyone
>here how can help with this? (seems Pagen or Native Americans may
>be best versed in this (just a guess, not meant as a generalization))
>
> BJB
That's not an easy one to answer. Sub-consciously, I think I've always known
the squirrel was the one for me. As soon as I found furry, I thought 'that's
me, I'm a squirrel'. In fact, I found furry because of searching the 'net for
'Amy the Squirrel'. Guess it's always been there. So basically, I just _feel_
squirrely. (That's _not_ the dictionary definition) How about you? No hint
whatsoever?
Matt Squirrel
Ron Orr...& Tirran
Buster J. Bunny <bus...@dreamscrape.com> wrote:
> OK, another simple question, given I am still searching for my
> Totem animal, how does one FIND their totem animal?
I can tell you how _I_ did it, and as usual, it's something that
seems to have been unique with me. (Somebody tell me if I'm wrong?)
I simply spent a year or so watching my reactions to the world
around me, looking for anything unusual in the way I felt or thought. My
totms aren't teachers; they're facilitators, helping me focus myself,
gain energy, acheive a certain clarity of thought, and draw me out into
a larger world.
It's just the breaks that the experiences are so brief; but
perhaps I'll learn to extend them sonewhat, in time.
Tir'
who lucked into a thunderstorm this morning. :)
Buster J. Bunny
Matt Sq wrote:
> That's not an easy one to answer. Sub-consciously, I think I've always known
> the squirrel was the one for me. As soon as I found furry, I thought 'that's
> me, I'm a squirrel'. In fact, I found furry because of searching the 'net for
> 'Amy the Squirrel'. Guess it's always been there. So basically, I just _feel_
> squirrely. (That's _not_ the dictionary definition) How about you? No hint
> whatsoever?
Hints yes, but nothing of substance in my mind yet... I never really
looked
for one, but feel it is time, trying to find someone who can help, as
well
as waiting for th ^#%$!( snow to go away for the year! that way I can
get
out in the woods again, bring me back to my roots.
Del790
There are many ways one can find a totem. I know of one and have a 95% success
rate. If anyone wants to know how, email me.
Joe Del...@aol.com
David Cooke
T'zisorey TigerWuf wrote:
>
> Arden_Scentaur <ar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Arden wrote:
> >
> > Yes, but *why* does one feel the need to search for a totem animal? You
> > either have one, or you don't.
I'm not so sure its as clear cut as that. Certainly spirit guides
can come and go. Your own furry side can change it seems - at least
it happens to some.
> Why do some feel the need to search for a totem animal? Definitely a good
> question. I've noticed that for some people, particularly with furries (and
> weres), the connection goes past just having a totem, to actually having (at
> least in part) the spirit of that animal - inextricably intertwined into
> their very being.
>
> I'm one of those people, as are most of my closest friends, and I think that
> people like us search for our totems, because the totem is an integral part
> of ourselves - and through finding and getting in touch with our totems
> allows us to find, and get in touch with ourselves. (Just *my* thoughts...
> anyone with contrary POV?)
Personally I tend to separate the concept of totems (rightly or wrongly)
from what I regard as my furry/were-side. The wolf in me (and on occasions
the dolphin too - thats something from my childhood) are internal things,
part of me, that just needed to be recognized.
On the other hand, the other animal spirits which guide me are external
to myself. They choose to come and go, giving advice and pointers as
they see fit. These I regard as my totems (as I said before, that may
well not fit anyone elses viewpoint - I'm just using the word to
distinguish my were-side from the others). Their forms are much harder
for me to pin down, but one at least often seem to manifest as a fox, or
works through fox-furs, fans with fox characters, or just mundanes with
some bizarre connection with foxes.
David Cooke.
--
Sometimes it's good to go where everyone knows your shape.
- Angua (Pterry)
[ Address munged: replace "colt.SPAM" with "demon.co" to reply. ]
Matt Sq
In article <351ac5a2...@news.rat.org>, azu...@starrtails.com (Azurith the
Azure Dragon) writes:
>Just my opinion you understand, muttering about all the fools on aol
>that kept sending me mail about dragons because they read in her book
>that we were such "wonderful companions for mankind" and that we are
>all "guardian spirits and guides for good little wiccans and pagans"
Hey, this fool of AOL hasn't mailed you!
Matt Squirrel
Matt Sq
In article <351B02...@dreamscrape.com>, "Buster J. Bunny"
<bus...@dreamscrape.com> writes:
>Hints yes, but nothing of substance in my mind yet... I never really
>looked
>for one, but feel it is time, trying to find someone who can help, as
>well
>as waiting for th ^#%$!( snow to go away for the year! that way I can
>get
>out in the woods again, bring me back to my roots.
>
> BJB
Yeah, nice to be able to get out without being soaked or frozen....
Matt Squirrel
Matt Sq
In article <munged-2703...@n50.mounet.com>, mun...@mailaddy.com
(Squirrelly) writes:
>Ummm, I barely know you - your kinda forward arent you?
>
>Squirrelly
>
> being in a silly mood, i just HAD to reply :)
>(appologies Matt - hehehehe)
Grrrrrr.......... ; )
I've always wondered about your name. And there was a previous mail address
too I think.........
Matt Squirrel
MHansTyger
In >Message-id: <351e7114...@news.rat.org>
Azurith wrote:
>How odd, now why would you call yourself a fool? Are we suffering from
>an attack of guilt by association? Or are you somehow involved in
>being responsible for the actions of so many of the people on Aol?
>Hmmmmm, silly squirrel, I did not mention you did I? Chuckle.... so
>far, not one real fur lifestyler has shown me that they are so ill
>mannered and discourteous. And neither have you, so you are forgiven
>for being on AOL, there, better?
<rrrrrr> So glad you think so. Considering that this is one tiger who doesn't
have a lot of choice besides AOL at present. In this little town, I can either
go on AOL, which at least has an active server most of the time, go for the
Evil Empire Network and support the Bill Gates gestapo, or go on some other
carrier and have to pay long distance charges or deal with a server that's down
more often than it's up. Or stay off-line and not enjoy my only real contact
with the furry community.
So I hope I'm forgiven also, for my AOL usage <voice dripping with sarcasm>. I
prefer chocalate-fudge swirl ice cream, myself.
M. Tyger
--not afraid to bite the tail of a dragon
Matt Sq
In article <351e7114...@news.rat.org>, azu...@starrtails.com (Azurith the
Azure Dragon) writes:
>#Hey, this fool of AOL hasn't mailed you!
>#
>#Matt Squirrel
>
>How odd, now why would you call yourself a fool? Are we suffering from
>an attack of guilt by association? Or are you somehow involved in
>being responsible for the actions of so many of the people on Aol?
>Hmmmmm, silly squirrel, I did not mention you did I? Chuckle.... so
>far, not one real fur lifestyler has shown me that they are so ill
>mannered and discourteous. And neither have you, so you are forgiven
>for being on AOL, there, better?
>
>Azurith hands Matt a large bowl of freshly prepared, homemade, hickory
>nut ice cream.
>
>
>
Uh, yeah, whatever. I'll just go and do more foolish things on AOL. Although,
I am on AOL UK, so it's not _quite_ as bad. ;)
Matt Squirrel, who actually could change ISP's whenever he wanted, but likes
AOL.
Matt Sq
In article <351e80b0...@news.rat.org>, azu...@starrtails.com (Azurith the
Azure Dragon) writes:
>Why Matt should react to my statements
>about someone that he has no connection with, I accepted as a fact of
>his age, and thus replied kindly and with gentleness. I am frankly at
>a loss why you are being quite so touchy.
Now I'm offended! I was joking, I've no idea what people are like on AOL
because I don't chat to them!
Matt Squirrel, who gets the occasional deranged instant message
Robin91783
In article <199803302109...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, mat...@aol.com
(Matt Sq) writes:
>Now I'm offended! I was joking, I've no idea what people are like on AOL
>because I don't chat to them!
>
>Matt Squirrel, who gets the occasional deranged instant message
>
>
<LOL> I guess that makes NEKO the deranged instant messenger...
Robin, who occasionaly says "hi" to whomever NEKO's IRCing if she happens to be
in the basement...
Rasha
On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Azurith the Azure Dragon wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:16:16 -0600, "D.Jean Cooper"
> <dco...@DIESPAM.inav.net> spoke in dulcet tones:
> #And D.J.
> #Conway gives Llewellyn Publishing a bad name. I only have one of her
> books and#that is to show others what *not* to get. She does no
> And just for another opinion, this dragon is totally insulted by her
> so called "Dancing with Dragon's". She would not know a dragon if one
> came up and bit her in the "tender" behind parts. Sheeeesssh, if there
> is one human I would roast without even thinking about it, she is one.
You know...I bought that book because, well, I believe in supporting the
Pagan community whenever I can, and I figured it would be simpler to spend
the money in my pocket than stand in the store reading until my feet fell
asleep. Then I got the thing home and regretted having spent my money.
And I have a *very* cavalier attitude towards money. For me to regard
something as a waste of cash, it has to be pretty repulsive. >:=8P This
was during the time that I was separated from Rasha, my dragon "persona,"
and we were trying to figure out how to make ourselves one whole being.
We were hoping to find at least some pointers to an answer in that book.
Instead, we just giggled a lot...Erin read the "Song to attract dragons"
or whatever it was out loud, and Rasha almost hurt herself laughing. No,
not all dragons are happy-soppy-kyoote-pastel!! Aaack! <pthack> I need a
breathmint.
> Just my opinion you understand, muttering about all the fools on aol
> that kept sending me mail about dragons because they read in her book
> that we were such "wonderful companions for mankind" and that we are
> all "guardian spirits and guides for good little wiccans and pagans"
Heh...you should have seen some of the brief posters to alt.fan.dragons.
Heh...<waxing nostalgic>
> pagan community over that as the last straw. Not a pagan, never was,
> but was at least trying to help an "earth friendly" group, but no...
> they had to be just as greedy and silly as all the other power seeking
> humans. Too bad too, there are some really wonderful souls tangled up
I'd posit that any group of humans, by definition, is going to have the
same faults and virtues that any given human has, but magnified by the
number of voices all talking at once. <shrug>
> in that mire. And no I am not prejudice, I think all religions are
> tangles, and are not required. Everything is within yourself and your
> connection to your own natural world, nothing else is required or
> desirable, course again, only this dragon's opinion, and no one ever
<snip>
> Ok, sorry, enough rants..... sigh.....
> sssssssssssssssssssssssssss........
> One very old and sometimes sad dragon. Too many memories of beings
> reaching for wonders and blowing themselves right off the map.
> Sigh....
> Azurith
Erp! >:=8\ I have to agree with you about quite a few Pagans...I've known,
well--more than a few, and a lot of them were into it for power-tripping.
A lot. Not just "majikal" power-tripping (which, nine times out of ten,
mysteriously DIDN'T WORK AGAINST ME, no matter how much I infuriated them)
but psychological head-tripping ("Well, if my majik didn't work on you, it
must be because you don't have any majik in you at all--so really you're
the one who's inferior!" <gag>). On the other claw, of course, there are
people out there who are truly spiritual, honestly interested in helping
others, and who seem to know what they're talking about. I'm friends with
several...and I do my own thing, without worrying about "tradition" of any
kind. I make my own traditions. Sometimes it's harder that way, but it's
what I'm comfortable with, and so far my results (when I get them) have
been small, intensely personal, and wonderfully rewarding. >:=8) I don't
need big miracles...I'm perfectly content with lots of little miracles
every day, and the occasional medium-sized miracle. >;=8D
-- Rasha/Erin, Who Had A Medium-Sized Miracle This Weekend And Is Still
Trying To Work It Through In Her Head, And Which Y'all May Hear About
Soon, Maybe
Matt Sq
In article <35224b3a...@news.rat.org>, azu...@starrtails.com (Azurith the
Azure Dragon) writes:
>You are a wise squirrel, but understand it is not easy to derive the
>emotion from postings, so I could not know that you were joking.
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I know, I've got in trouble with that before.
Matt Squirrel