If its in your head......
§ńühwřŁf
http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/D-Robinson/Suicide.jpg
ok, my point is this; if this image is in your head, it must be there for
a reason.And if so why? Now it can be dismissed as "nothing" but from
*my* experience as an artist, if something was bothering me, I'd draw
it.Although I did do pictures just for "fun" images like the shotgun in
mouth thing are a bit hard to dismiss. BTW, time mis-spent during ones
youth dwelling on How Much My Life Sucks will be time remembered as being
wasted when your middle aged. So: get over it. If you think your life
sucks, go hang out at the dialysis ward, the cancer ward, go to mexico
and live with a peasant family...your life beats someone elses life HANDS
DOWN somewhere in the world so COUNT YOUR FUCKING BLESSINGS.
HTH
Oh, and heres another image that you might want to replace the previous
one with:
http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Onza/picnic.jpg
Looks like Onza has the right attitude.
HAND
King Snuhw()1f
Nini Prower-Echidna
news:bvogav$uei2i$7...@ID-137945.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Heres another disturbing image Ive run across...
>
> http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/D-Robinson/Suicide.jpg
>
> ok, my point is this; if this image is in your head, it must be there for
> a reason.And if so why? Now it can be dismissed as "nothing" but from
> *my* experience as an artist, if something was bothering me, I'd draw
> it.
Something serious must be bothering this artist though if I've ever been in
an emotional scrape I haven't drawn anything too serious but this... ooh,
it's so dark.. makes me sad. Yeah, I'm an artist if you haven't twigged.
> Oh, and heres another image that you might want to replace the previous
> one with:
> http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Onza/picnic.jpg
>
> Looks like Onza has the right attitude.
>
Yay, my sadness has been purged by this other pic! I'm delighted now, happy
days!^^
Antar000
> > a reason.And if so why? Now it can be dismissed as "nothing" but from
> > *my* experience as an artist, if something was bothering me, I'd draw
> > it.
>
> Something serious must be bothering this artist though if I've ever been in
> an emotional scrape I haven't drawn anything too serious but this... ooh,
> it's so dark.. makes me sad. Yeah, I'm an artist if you haven't twigged.
Ok, here's my whole thing. I've had my fair share of suicidal moments
and depression, more than most. But to me, I don't necessarily see
anything inherently wrong with that picture. Look, it can be an
outlet. I'm perfectly happy, well adjusted, but I still draw really
violent, disturbing crap. And like it. While I did draw stuff like
that when I was at my worst, I also drew really happy stuff when I was
depressed. You have to look at one's portfolio as a whole and realize
that someone is not defined by a couple of the things they do. Now,
if this is a recurrent theme and people who actually know this person
can provide some ideas. But that's just me as an artist talking. If
one is concerned, maybe holla on a mail or something, instead of just
sitting and speculating. yeah.
--Antar the artistic Dragon God
James Davis
news:bvogav$uei2i$7...@ID-137945.news.uni-berlin.de, stated the following:
> Heres another disturbing image Ive run across...
>
What is distrubing?
> http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/D-Robinson/Suicide.jpg
>
> If you think your life
> sucks, go hang out at the dialysis ward, the cancer ward, go to mexico
> and live with a peasant family...your life beats someone elses life
> HANDS DOWN somewhere in the world so COUNT YOUR FUCKING BLESSINGS.
> HTH
There are more types of pain then physical ones... the pressure of having
to be lucky can be just as painful... if not more so...
NEVER, try to judge others like that... it is just plain wrong, you don't
have the right to do so, as you don't know everything which they have gone
through.
>
> Looks like Onza has the right attitude.
>
You have the right to determine what right is?
Please, the way you are acting only hurts people like that by making them
feel guilty.
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Scratch the Badger
<1e703b82.04020...@posting.google.com>:
>Ok, here's my whole thing. I've had my fair share of suicidal moments
>and depression, more than most.
Have you learned how to cope with it? Gotten some help?
>But to me, I don't necessarily see
>anything inherently wrong with that picture.
IMHO, it looks like someone trying out the fit. Seeing if it is possible
before finally making a choice.
>Look, it can be an
>outlet.
Or waving a flag marked S.O.S.
>I'm perfectly happy, well adjusted, but I still draw really
>violent, disturbing crap. And like it. While I did draw stuff like
>that when I was at my worst, I also drew really happy stuff when I was
>depressed. You have to look at one's portfolio as a whole and realize
>that someone is not defined by a couple of the things they do. Now,
>if this is a recurrent theme and people who actually know this person
>can provide some ideas. But that's just me as an artist talking. If
>one is concerned, maybe holla on a mail or something, instead of just
>sitting and speculating. yeah.
>
Does anyone know the artist personally? I don't see the harm in
expressing concern. Maybe it was a bit over the top but one could argue
that its better to be safe than sorry.
Dave the Prancing Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>Heres another disturbing image Ive run across...
>
>http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/D-Robinson/Suicide.jpg
>
>ok, my point is this; if this image is in your head, it must be there for
>a reason.And if so why? Now it can be dismissed as "nothing" but from
>*my* experience as an artist, if something was bothering me, I'd draw
>it.Although I did do pictures just for "fun" images like the shotgun in
>mouth thing are a bit hard to dismiss. BTW, time mis-spent during ones
>youth dwelling on How Much My Life Sucks will be time remembered as being
>wasted when your middle aged. So: get over it. If you think your life
>sucks, go hang out at the dialysis ward, the cancer ward, go to mexico
>and live with a peasant family...your life beats someone elses life HANDS
>DOWN somewhere in the world so COUNT YOUR FUCKING BLESSINGS.
>HTH
My life doesn't suck at all, but I still like gory and violent images
depending on their context.
I like Techno-fantasy Like, Warhammer 40K best, and some of the
artowkr produced assocatiated with that can be really really nasty and
violent, Like heads being cut off or inquistioprs breaking peoples
jwas with hammers.
But it's all good really.
---
Through the eye of terror, a place no man dare go
Through the eye of terror, worlds of chaos overflow...
Nini Prower-Echidna
> > sucks, go hang out at the dialysis ward, the cancer ward, go to mexico
> > and live with a peasant family...your life beats someone elses life
> > HANDS DOWN somewhere in the world so COUNT YOUR FUCKING BLESSINGS.
> > HTH
>
> There are more types of pain then physical ones... the pressure of having
> to be lucky can be just as painful... if not more so...
>
> NEVER, try to judge others like that... it is just plain wrong, you don't
> have the right to do so, as you don't know everything which they have gone
> through.
Agreed, I've expericenced the same thing, sure I sometimes fall back but
mosts times I do come out and being told how comparable my life is to
someone elses is deeply insulting dismissing my pain as if it doesn't matter
and *I* should feel guily for my pain. Life is not all picincs, no matter
how nicely it's depicted.
Spectra
> artowkr produced assocatiated with that can be really really nasty and
> violent, Like heads being cut off or inquistioprs breaking peoples
> jwas with hammers.
>
> But it's all good really.
Better to blow off steam with warhammer than with an actual shotgun.
Life isn't always good, different people react differently to different
stimulus, and i rekon that once in a while *everyone* must want to paint
some pretty gruesome pictures. The important thing is not to act on it in
reality :-)
§ńühwřŁf
<Xns9484C08C2DCF3m...@204.152.189.149>:
>§ńühwřŁf <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> stated, in
>news:bvogav$uei2i$7...@ID-137945.news.uni-berlin.de, stated the following:
>
>> Heres another disturbing image Ive run across...
>>
>
>What is distrubing?
>
Try looking at the jpg?
>> http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/D-Robinson/Suicide.jpg
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>> If you think your life
>> sucks, go hang out at the dialysis ward, the cancer ward, go to mexico
>> and live with a peasant family...your life beats someone elses life
>> HANDS DOWN somewhere in the world so COUNT YOUR FUCKING BLESSINGS.
>> HTH
>
>There are more types of pain then physical ones... the pressure of
having
>to be lucky can be just as painful... if not more so...
>
What is that supposed to mean?
>NEVER, try to judge others like that... it is just plain wrong, you
don't
>have the right to do so,
Like you're judgeing me now, hypocrite?
>as you don't know everything which they have gone
>through.
>
True. Heres some obvious things I can assume though: they have acess to a
computer, they have enough money for that AND an ISP to upload from.
They dont live in a cardboard box, they dont stand around in lines at a
soup kitchen waiting for one hot meal which is all they'll be getting
that day. Mostly its just Pretty White Kids with Problems.
Hey, I spent enough time wanting to blow my brains out. Later, I realised
(years later as I'm dumb as a friggin rock) that those INSURMOUNTABLE
PROBLEMS wern't. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. But hey, who am I to
waste keystrokes trying to save folks from wallowing in their own pity?
Shame on me.
>>
>> Looks like Onza has the right attitude.
>>
>
>You have the right to determine what right is?
>
Apply your own criticisim to yourself? Naw, just be a hypocrite :)
>Please, the way you are acting only hurts people like that by making
them
>feel guilty.
>
Get over it. Life's a bitch and then you die. But theres still days that
kick ass and if you split now you'll miss em.
Your choice.
Choose wisely.
King Snuhw()1f
§ńühwřŁf
<402104c4...@news.cis.dfn.de>:
>
>My life doesn't suck at all, but I still like gory and violent images
>depending on their context.
>
Thats being a guy...you're not suicidal either.
Which was my point.
Suicides a waste of time as we're all mortal anyhow...
>I like Techno-fantasy Like, Warhammer 40K best, and some of the
>artowkr produced assocatiated with that can be really really nasty and
>violent, Like heads being cut off or inquistioprs breaking peoples
>jwas with hammers.
>
Heh...Doom was fun...Redneck Rampage was even better.
>But it's all good really.
>
Sure, just dont turn that anger against yourself...channel it into
something productive or at least not destructive.
HTH
HAND
King Snuhw()1f
Antar000
> >Ok, here's my whole thing. I've had my fair share of suicidal moments
> >and depression, more than most.
>
> Have you learned how to cope with it? Gotten some help?
Gotten a lot of help, man. thanks for the concern, actually. *hugs*
> >But to me, I don't necessarily see
> >anything inherently wrong with that picture.
>
> IMHO, it looks like someone trying out the fit. Seeing if it is possible
> before finally making a choice.
>
> >Look, it can be an
> >outlet.
>
> Or waving a flag marked S.O.S.
True enough, but there can be different personalities, different
things involved than just that.
> >I'm perfectly happy, well adjusted, but I still draw really
> >violent, disturbing crap. And like it. While I did draw stuff like
> >that when I was at my worst, I also drew really happy stuff when I was
> >depressed. You have to look at one's portfolio as a whole and realize
> >that someone is not defined by a couple of the things they do. Now,
> >if this is a recurrent theme and people who actually know this person
> >can provide some ideas. But that's just me as an artist talking. If
> >one is concerned, maybe holla on a mail or something, instead of just
> >sitting and speculating. yeah.
> >
>
> Does anyone know the artist personally? I don't see the harm in
> expressing concern. Maybe it was a bit over the top but one could argue
> that its better to be safe than sorry.
Yes, always better to err on the side of caution. But artists can be
a very moody bunch, at least I am. And I know that people can express
some very disturbing things in art. Hell, I draw a lot of death,
mutilation, etc. I also draw two-by-fours, boots, and romance. But
if it IS recurring, yeah, caution and such is not bad. talk to the
person, yeah? Maybe its' a line from a song or something--I draw
stuff inspired by Slipknot, it's pretty fucked up. yeah.
--Antar the Dragon(not drag-queen) god.
Dave the Prancing Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>Sure, just dont turn that anger against yourself...channel it into
>something productive or at least not destructive.
Potatoes.
§ńühwřŁf
>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>Sure, just dont turn that anger against yourself...channel it into
>>something productive or at least not destructive.
>
>Potatoes.
>
Tater clocks...
You can make a battery from nails, copper wire and lemons.
King Snuhw()1f
Muke Tever
> Suicides a waste of time as we're all mortal anyhow...
Hmm, with that line of reasoning, shouldnt you rather say suicide's a
time-saver? ;)
*Muke!
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> youth dwelling on How Much My Life Sucks will be time remembered as being
> wasted when your middle aged. So: get over it. If you think your life
> sucks, go hang out at the dialysis ward, the cancer ward, go to mexico
> and live with a peasant family...your life beats someone elses life HANDS
> DOWN somewhere in the world so COUNT YOUR FUCKING BLESSINGS.
> HTH
One of the most challenging problems I had during my on-line Creative
Writing course was trying to give helpful advice to the other students.
Three of them decided they would be doing suicide poetry that term.
The problem was that they had nothing new to say, and no insights into their
condition. Furthermore, none of them even wanted to listen to my advice
about what issues their poetry wasn't addressing.
One poet complained about how she was so depressed and of course taking
medication would just make you a zombie so oh poor me life sucks, darkness,
sweetness of death, etc... I challenged her point blank, "If you give me
the choice of losing somebody I love dearly to depression, or having that
person take medication, I know what I will choose 100% of the time without
hesitation. Are you really saying you think it would be better for my loved
ones to die? And if so, why haven't you addressed that in your poetry?"
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Dave the Prancing Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>>him.
>>
>>>Sure, just dont turn that anger against yourself...channel it into
>>>something productive or at least not destructive.
>>
>>Potatoes.
>>
>Tater clocks...
>You can make a battery from nails, copper wire and lemons.
Can we make Ecofreidnly cars powered by potatoes and lemon pie then?
§ńühwřŁf
>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>>Dave the Prancing Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>><40222620...@news.cis.dfn.de>:
>>
>>>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>>>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>>>him.
>>>
>>>>Sure, just dont turn that anger against yourself...channel it into
>>>>something productive or at least not destructive.
>>>
>>>Potatoes.
>>>
>>Tater clocks...
>>You can make a battery from nails, copper wire and lemons.
>
>Can we make Ecofreidnly cars powered by potatoes and lemon pie then?
>
Maybe since potatos are used in VODKA you could make an alcohol burning
car...
King Snuhw()1f
§ńühwřŁf
<opr2wtnk...@news.comcast.giganews.com>:
>On 4 Feb 2004 21:16:07 GMT, §ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>> Suicides a waste of time as we're all mortal anyhow...
>
>Hmm, with that line of reasoning, shouldnt you rather say suicide's a
>time-saver? ;)
>
You'll have to test your theory out eh?
King Snuhw()1f
§ńühwřŁf
<bvv9in$246u$1...@velox.critter.net>:
>"§ñühwø£f" <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:bvogav$uei2i$7...@ID-137945.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> BTW, time mis-spent during ones
>> youth dwelling on How Much My Life Sucks will be time remembered as
being
>> wasted when your middle aged. So: get over it. If you think your life
>> sucks, go hang out at the dialysis ward, the cancer ward, go to mexico
>> and live with a peasant family...your life beats someone elses life
HANDS
>> DOWN somewhere in the world so COUNT YOUR FUCKING BLESSINGS.
>> HTH
>
>One of the most challenging problems I had during my on-line Creative
>Writing course was trying to give helpful advice to the other students.
>Three of them decided they would be doing suicide poetry that term.
>
Lucky you :)
>The problem was that they had nothing new to say, and no insights into
their
>condition. Furthermore, none of them even wanted to listen to my advice
>about what issues their poetry wasn't addressing.
>
Some people use "being suicidal" to get attention. Its a leverage device.
Plus, if they dont change, they dont have to challenge their belief
system which hinges on "life sucks for me always".
>One poet complained about how she was so depressed and of course taking
>medication would just make you a zombie so oh poor me life sucks,
darkness,
>sweetness of death, etc... I challenged her point blank, "If you give
me
>the choice of losing somebody I love dearly to depression, or having
that
>person take medication, I know what I will choose 100% of the time
without
>hesitation. Are you really saying you think it would be better for my
loved
>ones to die? And if so, why haven't you addressed that in your poetry?"
>
Some people get comfortable with their depression.Excercise & talk
therapy are as good as medication. you should have made them run laps ;)
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the Prancing Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>Oh, and heres another image that you might want to replace the previous
>one with:
>http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Onza/picnic.jpg
>
>Looks like Onza has the right attitude.
Do I have the right attitude?
http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/exxy.jpg
It's all about de-huminzation you see. Not suicide. excuse the
manifold errors, It was Only a sketch (which is probably no excuse,
But excuses are all)
§ńühwřŁf
> §ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
> great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
> him.
>
> >Oh, and heres another image that you might want to replace the
previous
> >one with:
> >http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Onza/picnic.jpg
> >
> >Looks like Onza has the right attitude.
>
> Do I have the right attitude?
>
How would I know? I'm not you :)
> http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/exxy.jpg
>
Hmmmmmm...watercolors...
> It's all about de-huminzation you see. Not suicide. excuse the
> manifold errors, It was Only a sketch (which is probably no excuse,
> But excuses are all)
>
I'd change the foxes head positions ( the ones on the ground face down)
so that their muzzles are going to the side instead of looking like they
have either *no* muzzles or have their heads rotated so far down forward
that you cant see their snouts. Its just a bit confusing as to where
their muzzles are...You might want to vary your line quality as well
instead of making everything the same weight or line density.
Take a class that emphasises something called action drawing or speed
drawing...its where you go for the general location of things in a figure
drawing but you do it very fast. It forces you to learn how to block
things out in a general way instead of being specific and focuses on line
quality for the figures expressiveness as opposed to shading and forms.
Try it sometime :)
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the Prancing Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>Dave the Prancing Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
><4024c647...@news.cis.dfn.de>:
>
>> §ńühwřŁf <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>> great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>> him.
>>
>> >Oh, and heres another image that you might want to replace the
>previous
>> >one with:
>> >http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Onza/picnic.jpg
>> >
>> >Looks like Onza has the right attitude.
>>
>> Do I have the right attitude?
>>
>How would I know? I'm not you :)
mmmm. Blood. maybe I will draw more or less violent images depennding
on how "empowered" I am, More violece for less empowerment, perhaps.
>> http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/exxy.jpg
>>
>Hmmmmmm...watercolors...
I tried acrlyics but I got them all over my T-shirt and the floor and
they smell.
>> It's all about de-huminzation you see. Not suicide. excuse the
>> manifold errors, It was Only a sketch (which is probably no excuse,
>> But excuses are all)
>>
>I'd change the foxes head positions ( the ones on the ground face down)
>so that their muzzles are going to the side instead of looking like they
>have either *no* muzzles or have their heads rotated so far down forward
>that you cant see their snouts. Its just a bit confusing as to where
>their muzzles are...You might want to vary your line quality as well
>instead of making everything the same weight or line density.
>Take a class that emphasises something called action drawing or speed
>drawing...its where you go for the general location of things in a figure
>drawing but you do it very fast. It forces you to learn how to block
>things out in a general way instead of being specific and focuses on line
>quality for the figures expressiveness as opposed to shading and forms.
>Try it sometime :)
hooray etc. Unforuntaly, I'm not studying Art, that is MY heart says
yes, But my head ir tiaonrlity: No.
However, the art classes I was getting (*in my own time) hath been
stopped, Because I was um.. the only one who acutally tutrned up, and
one person aint enough. All I learn formt hem was how to make abstract
paintings from fish and that. All I can do now, Is dtraw myself ion
the mirror for improvment, and look of books. Alas, Caluimny, etc. B
So Maybe I will teach myself, But My art will be rather invaried and
with bad habits or flaws which beyonfd I shall never overcome thus. Et
al, thus iwll my life amount to nothing more than an office hoib, and
the slow death of the crative spirt whch all men receice as
invlinenabvle therefore.
§ńühwřŁf
>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>Dave the Prancing Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>><4024c647...@news.cis.dfn.de>:
>>
>>> §ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>>> great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come
against
>>> him.
>>>
>>> >Oh, and heres another image that you might want to replace the
>>previous
>>> >one with:
>>> >http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Onza/picnic.jpg
>>> >
>>> >Looks like Onza has the right attitude.
>>>
>>> Do I have the right attitude?
>>>
>>How would I know? I'm not you :)
>
>mmmm. Blood. maybe I will draw more or less violent images depennding
>on how "empowered" I am, More violece for less empowerment, perhaps.
>
Sure, more frustration = more agression.
>>> http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/exxy.jpg
>>>
>>Hmmmmmm...watercolors...
>
>I tried acrlyics but I got them all over my T-shirt and the floor and
>they smell.
>
OMG! LOL! no scizzors for you then...
>>> It's all about de-huminzation you see. Not suicide. excuse the
>>> manifold errors, It was Only a sketch (which is probably no excuse,
>>> But excuses are all)
>>>
>>I'd change the foxes head positions ( the ones on the ground face down)
>>so that their muzzles are going to the side instead of looking like
they
>>have either *no* muzzles or have their heads rotated so far down
forward
>>that you cant see their snouts. Its just a bit confusing as to where
>>their muzzles are...You might want to vary your line quality as well
>>instead of making everything the same weight or line density.
>>Take a class that emphasises something called action drawing or speed
>>drawing...its where you go for the general location of things in a
figure
>>drawing but you do it very fast. It forces you to learn how to block
>>things out in a general way instead of being specific and focuses on
line
>>quality for the figures expressiveness as opposed to shading and forms.
>>Try it sometime :)
>
>hooray etc. Unforuntaly, I'm not studying Art, that is MY heart says
>yes, But my head irationaly: No.
>However, the art classes I was getting (*in my own time) hath been
>stopped, Because I was um.. the only one who acutally tutrned up, and
>one person aint enough.
How odd...
>All I learn formt hem was how to make abstract
>paintings from fish and that. All I can do now, Is dtraw myself ion
>the mirror for improvment, and look of books. Alas, Caluimny, etc. B
>
Drawing from the mirror is good...any practice is good.
Copying others stuff is how I started...but I started at age 11.
>So Maybe I will teach myself, But My art will be rather invaried and
>with bad habits or flaws which beyonfd I shall never overcome thus. Et
>al, thus will my life amount to nothing more than an office hoib, and
>the slow death of the crative spirt whch all men receice as
>invlinenabvle therefore.
>
Dosent need to. I still draw (rarely) or write a bit of poetry & play a
musical instrument...BTW, the kind of drawing I was trying to tell you
would be good for you is called "Gesture" drawing. I misremembered the
term for it.
HTH
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the Prancing Hyena
I already have those in my big art box, It weighs about 20lbs I think.
I don't think other people were motivated. still, I learnt that it
only pays to be an art teacher if you are already rich.
>>All I learn formt hem was how to make abstract
>>paintings from fish and that. All I can do now, Is dtraw myself ion
>>the mirror for improvment, and look of books. Alas, Caluimny, etc. B
>>
>Drawing from the mirror is good...any practice is good.
>Copying others stuff is how I started...but I started at age 11.
Yeah, I've only been seriously spending a few hours every day on it
since I finished sixth form. oddly enough, Untill then, It never
really occured to me to look in the mirror, I guess that's just the
nub of it though.
>>So Maybe I will teach myself, But My art will be rather invaried and
>>with bad habits or flaws which beyonfd I shall never overcome thus. Et
>>al, thus will my life amount to nothing more than an office hoib, and
>>the slow death of the crative spirt whch all men receice as
>>invlinenabvle therefore.
>>
>Dosent need to. I still draw (rarely) or write a bit of poetry & play a
>musical instrument...BTW, the kind of drawing I was trying to tell you
>would be good for you is called "Gesture" drawing. I misremembered the
>term for it.
>HTH
Aye, I looked up for that, and i've filled up most the cheapest pad I
could find with gesture drawings of myself and someone lieing on a
sofa sleeping. Hmmm, I've only been doing it for a two day now, But
perhaps I am finding it slightly easier to visualise how people move
already. Well, At least I can "see" their movement quicker.
§ńühwřŁf
>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>Dave the Prancing Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>><40252ba5...@news.cis.dfn.de>:
>>
>>
>>>>> http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/exxy.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>Hmmmmmm...watercolors...
>>>
>>>I tried acrlyics but I got them all over my T-shirt and the floor and
>>>they smell.
>>>
>>OMG! LOL! no scizzors for you then...
>
>I already have those in my big art box, It weighs about 20lbs I think.
>
CAREFUL!!! HES GOT A MAT KNIFE!!!
Most of my teachers were practicing artists with studios and actually
sold some of their work on occasion. But on a university profs
salary...rich? Naw...
>>>All I learn formt hem was how to make abstract
>>>paintings from fish and that. All I can do now, Is dtraw myself ion
>>>the mirror for improvment, and look of books. Alas, Caluimny, etc. B
>>>
>>Drawing from the mirror is good...any practice is good.
>>Copying others stuff is how I started...but I started at age 11.
>
>Yeah, I've only been seriously spending a few hours every day on it
>since I finished sixth form. oddly enough, Untill then, It never
>really occured to me to look in the mirror, I guess that's just the
>nub of it though.
>
Albrecht Durer did a nice self portrait...
>>>So Maybe I will teach myself, But My art will be rather invaried and
>>>with bad habits or flaws which beyonfd I shall never overcome thus. Et
>>>al, thus will my life amount to nothing more than an office hoib, and
>>>the slow death of the crative spirt whch all men receice as
>>>invlinenabvle therefore.
>>>
>>Dosent need to. I still draw (rarely) or write a bit of poetry & play a
>>musical instrument...BTW, the kind of drawing I was trying to tell you
>>would be good for you is called "Gesture" drawing. I misremembered the
>>term for it.
>>HTH
>
>Aye, I looked up for that, and i've filled up most the cheapest pad I
>could find with gesture drawings of myself and someone lieing on a
>sofa sleeping.
Use rough newprint and vine charcoal to draw with. Or graphite sticks or
conte` crayons...something soft...so use a 6B graphite stick if you like
graphite...I prefer medium soft vine charcoal about 5mm in diameter.
> I've only been doing it for a two day now, But
>perhaps I am finding it slightly easier to visualise how people move
>already. Well, At least I can "see" their movement quicker.
>
Its very helpful in learning how all the body parts move in relation to
each other.
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the Prancing Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>Dave the Prancing Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
><4027673e...@news.cis.dfn.de>:
>
>>§ńühwřŁf <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>>him.
>>
>>>Dave the Prancing Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>>><40252ba5...@news.cis.dfn.de>:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/exxy.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>Hmmmmmm...watercolors...
>>>>
>>>>I tried acrlyics but I got them all over my T-shirt and the floor and
>>>>they smell.
>>>>
>>>OMG! LOL! no scizzors for you then...
>>
>>I already have those in my big art box, It weighs about 20lbs I think.
>>
>CAREFUL!!! HES GOT A MAT KNIFE!!!
I've got a razor blade for correcting watercolor paper, A nurse once
said to me that razor blades made nice clean wounds, easy to sew up.
Ah, well, these people, one of their parents... Old money... stuff...
>>>>All I learn formt hem was how to make abstract
>>>>paintings from fish and that. All I can do now, Is dtraw myself ion
>>>>the mirror for improvment, and look of books. Alas, Caluimny, etc. B
>>>>
>>>Drawing from the mirror is good...any practice is good.
>>>Copying others stuff is how I started...but I started at age 11.
>>
>>Yeah, I've only been seriously spending a few hours every day on it
>>since I finished sixth form. oddly enough, Untill then, It never
>>really occured to me to look in the mirror, I guess that's just the
>>nub of it though.
>>
>Albrecht Durer did a nice self portrait...
I like "el greco", They look so dynamic and alive and out of place
when you look at the rest of stuff painted at that time.
>>>>So Maybe I will teach myself, But My art will be rather invaried and
>>>>with bad habits or flaws which beyonfd I shall never overcome thus. Et
>>>>al, thus will my life amount to nothing more than an office hoib, and
>>>>the slow death of the crative spirt whch all men receice as
>>>>invlinenabvle therefore.
>>>>
>>>Dosent need to. I still draw (rarely) or write a bit of poetry & play a
>>>musical instrument...BTW, the kind of drawing I was trying to tell you
>>>would be good for you is called "Gesture" drawing. I misremembered the
>>>term for it.
>>>HTH
>>
>>Aye, I looked up for that, and i've filled up most the cheapest pad I
>>could find with gesture drawings of myself and someone lieing on a
>>sofa sleeping.
>
>Use rough newprint and vine charcoal to draw with. Or graphite sticks or
>conte` crayons...something soft...so use a 6B graphite stick if you like
>graphite...I prefer medium soft vine charcoal about 5mm in diameter.
Ahh well, someone I know used to work for a printing company, so we
have quite literaly, a pile up to the ceiling of various sketch books,
Notepads et al, Most of them are not good quality, but they do do.
And I haf been useing a graphite stick that I found at work.
>> I've only been doing it for a two day now, But
>>perhaps I am finding it slightly easier to visualise how people move
>>already. Well, At least I can "see" their movement quicker.
>>
>Its very helpful in learning how all the body parts move in relation to
>each other.
And the curvatures. The curvatures esp.
§ńühwřŁf
>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>Dave the Prancing Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>><4027673e...@news.cis.dfn.de>:
>>
>>>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>>>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>>>him.
>>>
>>>>Dave the Prancing Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>>>><40252ba5...@news.cis.dfn.de>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/exxy.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hmmmmmm...watercolors...
>>>>>
>>>>>I tried acrlyics but I got them all over my T-shirt and the floor
and
>>>>>they smell.
>>>>>
>>>>OMG! LOL! no scizzors for you then...
>>>
>>>I already have those in my big art box, It weighs about 20lbs I think.
>>>
>>CAREFUL!!! HES GOT A MAT KNIFE!!!
>
>I've got a razor blade for correcting watercolor paper, A nurse once
>said to me that razor blades made nice clean wounds, easy to sew up.
>
If you say sew ;) Get it? Say "sew"? H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H
I see...well art isnt something one goes into to make money I recon.
>>>>>All I learn formt hem was how to make abstract
>>>>>paintings from fish and that. All I can do now, Is dtraw myself ion
>>>>>the mirror for improvment, and look of books. Alas, Caluimny, etc. B
>>>>>
>>>>Drawing from the mirror is good...any practice is good.
>>>>Copying others stuff is how I started...but I started at age 11.
>>>
>>>Yeah, I've only been seriously spending a few hours every day on it
>>>since I finished sixth form. oddly enough, Untill then, It never
>>>really occured to me to look in the mirror, I guess that's just the
>>>nub of it though.
>>>
>>Albrecht Durer did a nice self portrait...
>
>I like "el greco", They look so dynamic and alive and out of place
>when you look at the rest of stuff painted at that time.
>
The colors and lighting were a bit garish...but if you look at the
spanish artists as a whole you can see a tendency towards it. I prefer
Goya...
FILL EM UP!
>And I haf been useing a graphite stick that I found at work.
>
Get a set of Conte` crayons...you'll love em :)
>>> I've only been doing it for a two day now, But
>>>perhaps I am finding it slightly easier to visualise how people move
>>>already. Well, At least I can "see" their movement quicker.
>>>
>>Its very helpful in learning how all the body parts move in relation
to
>>each other.
>
>And the curvatures. The curvatures esp.
>
Secret: theres basically *no* concave curves on the human body. Draw as
much as you can with a convex curve.
King Snuhw()1f, now giveing free art lessons on teh usernets...
Dave the Prancing Hyena
You've Stiched me up.
I remember that piture of the massacare of 1812 or something like
that.
Someone did a portrait of trotksy in those.
>>>> I've only been doing it for a two day now, But
>>>>perhaps I am finding it slightly easier to visualise how people move
>>>>already. Well, At least I can "see" their movement quicker.
>>>>
>>>Its very helpful in learning how all the body parts move in relation
>to
>>>each other.
>>
>>And the curvatures. The curvatures esp.
>>
>Secret: theres basically *no* concave curves on the human body. Draw as
>much as you can with a convex curve.
>
>King Snuhw()1f, now giveing free art lessons on teh usernets...
I can pay in cans of baked beans.
§ńühwřŁf
Hey, I've saved *nine* that way...
>>>>>>>All I learn formt hem was how to make abstract
>>>>>>>paintings from fish and that. All I can do now, Is dtraw myself
ion
>>>>>>>the mirror for improvment, and look of books. Alas, Caluimny, etc.
B
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Drawing from the mirror is good...any practice is good.
>>>>>>Copying others stuff is how I started...but I started at age 11.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, I've only been seriously spending a few hours every day on it
>>>>>since I finished sixth form. oddly enough, Untill then, It never
>>>>>really occured to me to look in the mirror, I guess that's just the
>>>>>nub of it though.
>>>>>
>>>>Albrecht Durer did a nice self portrait...
>>>
>>>I like "el greco", They look so dynamic and alive and out of place
>>>when you look at the rest of stuff painted at that time.
>>>
>>The colors and lighting were a bit garish...but if you look at the
>>spanish artists as a whole you can see a tendency towards it. I prefer
>>Goya...
>
>I remember that piture of the massacare of 1812 or something like
>that.
>
Short fat bastards with their arms raised getting shot by guys in funny
hats...yeah, he drew lots of witchcraft related subject matter as well.
>>
>>>And I haf been useing a graphite stick that I found at work.
>>>
>>Get a set of Conte` crayons...you'll love em :)
>
>Someone did a portrait of trotksy in those.
>
That rouge color is very handy when depicting fallen Soviet leaders...
>>>>> I've only been doing it for a two day now, But
>>>>>perhaps I am finding it slightly easier to visualise how people move
>>>>>already. Well, At least I can "see" their movement quicker.
>>>>>
>>>>Its very helpful in learning how all the body parts move in relation
>>to
>>>>each other.
>>>
>>>And the curvatures. The curvatures esp.
>>>
>>Secret: theres basically *no* concave curves on the human body. Draw as
>>much as you can with a convex curve.
>>
>>King Snuhw()1f, now giveing free art lessons on teh usernets...
>
>I can pay in cans of baked beans.
>
No thanks...I have plenty of gas...
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the Rotating Hyena
I found a needle on the floor today.
>>>>>>>>All I learn formt hem was how to make abstract
>>>>>>>>paintings from fish and that. All I can do now, Is dtraw myself
>ion
>>>>>>>>the mirror for improvment, and look of books. Alas, Caluimny, etc.
>B
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Drawing from the mirror is good...any practice is good.
>>>>>>>Copying others stuff is how I started...but I started at age 11.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah, I've only been seriously spending a few hours every day on it
>>>>>>since I finished sixth form. oddly enough, Untill then, It never
>>>>>>really occured to me to look in the mirror, I guess that's just the
>>>>>>nub of it though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Albrecht Durer did a nice self portrait...
>>>>
>>>>I like "el greco", They look so dynamic and alive and out of place
>>>>when you look at the rest of stuff painted at that time.
>>>>
>>>The colors and lighting were a bit garish...but if you look at the
>>>spanish artists as a whole you can see a tendency towards it. I prefer
>>>Goya...
>>
>>I remember that piture of the massacare of 1812 or something like
>>that.
>>
>Short fat bastards with their arms raised getting shot by guys in funny
>hats...yeah, he drew lots of witchcraft related subject matter as well.
And people haveing their intestines pulled out and would round trees,
Or was that somone else?
Two artists here bought a set of goyas original prints or something,
and drew funny faces on them.
>>>
>>>>And I haf been useing a graphite stick that I found at work.
>>>>
>>>Get a set of Conte` crayons...you'll love em :)
>>
>>Someone did a portrait of trotksy in those.
>>
>That rouge color is very handy when depicting fallen Soviet leaders...
I think that some author did a portratit of himself in them, I was
suprised since he was know for his authoring, not his art, and yet his
self portration was very good. But most of his art was in fact
pictures of nekkid young men, so I don't htink people liked it much.
>>>>>> I've only been doing it for a two day now, But
>>>>>>perhaps I am finding it slightly easier to visualise how people move
>>>>>>already. Well, At least I can "see" their movement quicker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Its very helpful in learning how all the body parts move in relation
>>>to
>>>>>each other.
>>>>
>>>>And the curvatures. The curvatures esp.
>>>>
>>>Secret: theres basically *no* concave curves on the human body. Draw as
>>>much as you can with a convex curve.
>>>
>>>King Snuhw()1f, now giveing free art lessons on teh usernets...
>>
>>I can pay in cans of baked beans.
>>
>No thanks...I have plenty of gas...
Someone left the heater on all night and wasted lots.
§ńühwřŁf
<402b62c3...@news.cis.dfn.de>:
SHOW AN ADULT!!!!
Then return promply to your Safety Zone...
Hadda be somwon else...he did draw some monsters...one god eating the
head of somwon...little gory but very....goth & fashionable for his day
:)
>Two artists here bought a set of goyas original prints or something,
>and drew funny faces on them.
>
How original :/
>>>>
>>>>>And I haf been useing a graphite stick that I found at work.
>>>>>
>>>>Get a set of Conte` crayons...you'll love em :)
>>>
>>>Someone did a portrait of trotksy in those.
>>>
>>That rouge color is very handy when depicting fallen Soviet leaders...
>
>I think that some author did a portratit of himself in them, I was
>suprised since he was know for his authoring, not his art, and yet his
>self portration was very good. But most of his art was in fact
>pictures of nekkid young men, so I don't htink people liked it much.
>
Naykid young men hasn't caught on everywhere just yet...you might want to
look at Robert Maplethorpe if you like that stuff.
>>>>>>> I've only been doing it for a two day now, But
>>>>>>>perhaps I am finding it slightly easier to visualise how people
move
>>>>>>>already. Well, At least I can "see" their movement quicker.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Its very helpful in learning how all the body parts move in
relation
>>>>to
>>>>>>each other.
>>>>>
>>>>>And the curvatures. The curvatures esp.
>>>>>
>>>>Secret: theres basically *no* concave curves on the human body. Draw
as
>>>>much as you can with a convex curve.
>>>>
>>>>King Snuhw()1f, now giveing free art lessons on teh usernets...
>>>
>>>I can pay in cans of baked beans.
>>>
>>No thanks...I have plenty of gas...
>
>Someone left the heater on all night and wasted lots.
>
Get more quilts.
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the Rotating Hyena
45 minutes doesn't seem like such a long time, It's just 60 seconds,
times 45, but when you're sitting there, counting off EVERY SINGLE
SECOND till you can go home, It does seem a long time.
I poked my finger with the needle just to pass the time.
A stand up comedian threw paint over them while shouting "Viva Goya!",
He was arrested for assulate IIRC, and tryed to defend himself on the
grounds that he was makeing performence art.
>>>>>
>>>>>>And I haf been useing a graphite stick that I found at work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Get a set of Conte` crayons...you'll love em :)
>>>>
>>>>Someone did a portrait of trotksy in those.
>>>>
>>>That rouge color is very handy when depicting fallen Soviet leaders...
>>
>>I think that some author did a portratit of himself in them, I was
>>suprised since he was know for his authoring, not his art, and yet his
>>self portration was very good. But most of his art was in fact
>>pictures of nekkid young men, so I don't htink people liked it much.
>>
>Naykid young men hasn't caught on everywhere just yet...you might want to
>look at Robert Maplethorpe if you like that stuff.
No, Twould' be vulgar.
>>>>>>>> I've only been doing it for a two day now, But
>>>>>>>>perhaps I am finding it slightly easier to visualise how people
>move
>>>>>>>>already. Well, At least I can "see" their movement quicker.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Its very helpful in learning how all the body parts move in
>relation
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>each other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And the curvatures. The curvatures esp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Secret: theres basically *no* concave curves on the human body. Draw
>as
>>>>>much as you can with a convex curve.
>>>>>
>>>>>King Snuhw()1f, now giveing free art lessons on teh usernets...
>>>>
>>>>I can pay in cans of baked beans.
>>>>
>>>No thanks...I have plenty of gas...
>>
>>Someone left the heater on all night and wasted lots.
>>
>Get more quilts.
It's some funyn women who goes all funny if you try to argue with her.
§ńühwřŁf
Marijuana will do that to you...
>I poked my finger with the needle just to pass the time.
>
And inocculated your self with 1 million germs...
Performance artists are often labled as trolls :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And I haf been useing a graphite stick that I found at work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Get a set of Conte` crayons...you'll love em :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Someone did a portrait of trotksy in those.
>>>>>
>>>>That rouge color is very handy when depicting fallen Soviet
leaders...
>>>
>>>I think that some author did a portratit of himself in them, I was
>>>suprised since he was know for his authoring, not his art, and yet his
>>>self portration was very good. But most of his art was in fact
>>>pictures of nekkid young men, so I don't htink people liked it much.
>>>
>>Naykid young men hasn't caught on everywhere just yet...you might want
to
>>look at Robert Maplethorpe if you like that stuff.
>
>No, Twould' be vulgar.
>
How about a urine soaked crucifix then?
>>>>>>>>> I've only been doing it for a two day now, But
>>>>>>>>>perhaps I am finding it slightly easier to visualise how people
>>move
>>>>>>>>>already. Well, At least I can "see" their movement quicker.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Its very helpful in learning how all the body parts move in
>>relation
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>each other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And the curvatures. The curvatures esp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Secret: theres basically *no* concave curves on the human body.
Draw
>>as
>>>>>>much as you can with a convex curve.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>King Snuhw()1f, now giveing free art lessons on teh usernets...
>>>>>
>>>>>I can pay in cans of baked beans.
>>>>>
>>>>No thanks...I have plenty of gas...
>>>
>>>Someone left the heater on all night and wasted lots.
>>>
>>Get more quilts.
>
>It's some funyn women who goes all funny if you try to argue with her.
>
You have strangers living with you now? Had to rent the upstairs bedroom
just to make ends meet in Tony Blairs economy eh?
King Snuuuuuuuuuhw()1f
Dave the Angsty Gothic Eyeliner Wearing Hyena
Oh no, I don't need any mary jew anna for that, Every job I've ever
done, I've always ended up, counting of the seconds. even when I had a
"proper" job for a week in an office, I still did that. It's just...
something one does.
>>I poked my finger with the needle just to pass the time.
>>
>And inocculated your self with 1 million germs...
the fool may be carefree, unknown to him the troubles upon his masters
brow.
There was also another guy who knocked the head off a statue of magert
thatcher, Very nicely done I thought.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And I haf been useing a graphite stick that I found at work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Get a set of Conte` crayons...you'll love em :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Someone did a portrait of trotksy in those.
>>>>>>
>>>>>That rouge color is very handy when depicting fallen Soviet
>leaders...
>>>>
>>>>I think that some author did a portratit of himself in them, I was
>>>>suprised since he was know for his authoring, not his art, and yet his
>>>>self portration was very good. But most of his art was in fact
>>>>pictures of nekkid young men, so I don't htink people liked it much.
>>>>
>>>Naykid young men hasn't caught on everywhere just yet...you might want
>to
>>>look at Robert Maplethorpe if you like that stuff.
>>
>>No, Twould' be vulgar.
>>
>How about a urine soaked crucifix then?
Don't you mean one made out of urine? My theory of art crib book says
that it was called "piss christ" or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>> I've only been doing it for a two day now, But
>>>>>>>>>>perhaps I am finding it slightly easier to visualise how people
>>>move
>>>>>>>>>>already. Well, At least I can "see" their movement quicker.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Its very helpful in learning how all the body parts move in
>>>relation
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>each other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And the curvatures. The curvatures esp.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Secret: theres basically *no* concave curves on the human body.
>Draw
>>>as
>>>>>>>much as you can with a convex curve.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>King Snuhw()1f, now giveing free art lessons on teh usernets...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I can pay in cans of baked beans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>No thanks...I have plenty of gas...
>>>>
>>>>Someone left the heater on all night and wasted lots.
>>>>
>>>Get more quilts.
>>
>>It's some funyn women who goes all funny if you try to argue with her.
>>
>You have strangers living with you now? Had to rent the upstairs bedroom
>just to make ends meet in Tony Blairs economy eh?
We used to have these two german students liveing with us, They gave
me this mouse stuffed animal when they left.
---
Vote Socialist in 2004
§ńühwřŁf
in <402df4af...@news.critter.net>:
CLOCKWATCHER! Sure...if the job isnt something you like...
>>>I poked my finger with the needle just to pass the time.
>>>
>>And inocculated your self with 1 million germs...
>
>the fool may be carefree, unknown to him the troubles upon his masters
>brow.
>
Fruits arent just for snackin anymore...
Thats a political activist. As soon as they legalise the pacifying drugs
in the water supply, all will be well citizen!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And I haf been useing a graphite stick that I found at work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Get a set of Conte` crayons...you'll love em :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Someone did a portrait of trotksy in those.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>That rouge color is very handy when depicting fallen Soviet
>>leaders...
>>>>>
>>>>>I think that some author did a portratit of himself in them, I was
>>>>>suprised since he was know for his authoring, not his art, and yet
his
>>>>>self portration was very good. But most of his art was in fact
>>>>>pictures of nekkid young men, so I don't htink people liked it much.
>>>>>
>>>>Naykid young men hasn't caught on everywhere just yet...you might
want
>>to
>>>>look at Robert Maplethorpe if you like that stuff.
>>>
>>>No, Twould' be vulgar.
>>>
>>How about a urine soaked crucifix then?
>
>Don't you mean one made out of urine? My theory of art crib book says
>that it was called "piss christ" or something like that.
>
It was a basic crucifix in a beaker of piss. Too deep even for my awsum
artistic sensibilities...
Its like the inside joke no-one gets.
Were they furry?
King Snuhw()1f
>---
>Vote in 2004
^^^^^
Dave the Rotating Hyena
I can't think of many jobs that I would like. even doing something I
like, Might still be something that I don;t like.
>>>>I poked my finger with the needle just to pass the time.
>>>>
>>>And inocculated your self with 1 million germs...
>>
>>the fool may be carefree, unknown to him the troubles upon his masters
>>brow.
>>
>Fruits arent just for snackin anymore...
You make fools our of them, A kind of dish.
They put fluoride in the water, it makes my teeth strong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And I haf been useing a graphite stick that I found at work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Get a set of Conte` crayons...you'll love em :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Someone did a portrait of trotksy in those.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That rouge color is very handy when depicting fallen Soviet
>>>leaders...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think that some author did a portratit of himself in them, I was
>>>>>>suprised since he was know for his authoring, not his art, and yet
>his
>>>>>>self portration was very good. But most of his art was in fact
>>>>>>pictures of nekkid young men, so I don't htink people liked it much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Naykid young men hasn't caught on everywhere just yet...you might
>want
>>>to
>>>>>look at Robert Maplethorpe if you like that stuff.
>>>>
>>>>No, Twould' be vulgar.
>>>>
>>>How about a urine soaked crucifix then?
>>
>>Don't you mean one made out of urine? My theory of art crib book says
>>that it was called "piss christ" or something like that.
>>
>It was a basic crucifix in a beaker of piss. Too deep even for my awsum
>artistic sensibilities...
>Its like the inside joke no-one gets.
IT's not a joke then, just a lamer.
This was in about 1991, so probably not.
>King Snuhw()1f
>
>>---
>>Vote Socalist in 2004
>^^^^^
You typed?
§ńühwřŁf
>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>>>Marijuana will do that to you...
>>>
>>>Oh no, I don't need any mary jew anna for that, Every job I've ever
>>>done, I've always ended up, counting of the seconds. even when I had a
>>>"proper" job for a week in an office, I still did that. It's just...
>>>something one does.
>>>
>>CLOCKWATCHER! Sure...if the job isnt something you like...
>
>I can't think of many jobs that I would like. even doing something I
>like, Might still be something that I don;t like.
>
Ok, heres the question to ask yourself: If I could do anything I wanted
*and* get paid for it, what would that be?
I can think of lots of things: computer repair, porn star, comic strip
artist, musician, personal trainer...
>>>>>I poked my finger with the needle just to pass the time.
>>>>>
>>>>And inocculated your self with 1 million germs...
>>>
>>>the fool may be carefree, unknown to him the troubles upon his masters
>>>brow.
>>>
>>Fruits arent just for snackin anymore...
>
>You make fools our of them, A kind of dish.
>
A dish best served cold....ice cream!
>>>>>A stand up comedian threw paint over them while shouting "Viva
Goya!",
>>>>>He was arrested for assulate IIRC, and tryed to defend himself on
the
>>>>>grounds that he was makeing performence art.
>>>>>
>>>>Performance artists are often labled as trolls :(
>>>
>>>There was also another guy who knocked the head off a statue of magert
>>>thatcher, Very nicely done I thought.
>>>
>>Thats a political activist. As soon as they legalise the pacifying
drugs
>>in the water supply, all will be well citizen!
>
>They put fluoride in the water, it makes my teeth strong.
>
And kills brain cells :)
>
>>>>>>Naykid young men hasn't caught on everywhere just yet...you might
>>want
>>>>to
>>>>>>look at Robert Maplethorpe if you like that stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, Twould' be vulgar.
>>>>>
>>>>How about a urine soaked crucifix then?
>>>
>>>Don't you mean one made out of urine? My theory of art crib book says
>>>that it was called "piss christ" or something like that.
>>>
>>It was a basic crucifix in a beaker of piss. Too deep even for my awsum
>>artistic sensibilities...
>>Its like the inside joke no-one gets.
>
>IT's not a joke then, just a lamer.
>
It was a statement so obscure and l337 that even the artist himself
sometimes forgot the meaning...
>>>>>>>Someone left the heater on all night and wasted lots.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Get more quilts.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's some funyn women who goes all funny if you try to argue with
her.
>>>>>
>>>>You have strangers living with you now? Had to rent the upstairs
>>bedroom
>>>>just to make ends meet in Tony Blairs economy eh?
>>>
>>>We used to have these two german students liveing with us, They gave
>>>me this mouse stuffed animal when they left.
>>>
>>Were they furry?
>
>This was in about 1991, so probably not.
>
Do you still talk to them...like pen pals or such?
>>King Snuhw()1f
>>
>>>---
>>>Vote Socalist in 2004
>>^^^^^
>
>You typed?
>
Just vote, dammit.
>
>---
>Vote Socialist in 2004
>
Whatever...
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the Rotating Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>Dave the Rotating Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
><4030a576...@news.cis.dfn.de>:
>
>>§ńühwřŁf <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>>him.
>>
>>>>>Marijuana will do that to you...
>>>>
>>>>Oh no, I don't need any mary jew anna for that, Every job I've ever
>>>>done, I've always ended up, counting of the seconds. even when I had a
>>>>"proper" job for a week in an office, I still did that. It's just...
>>>>something one does.
>>>>
>>>CLOCKWATCHER! Sure...if the job isnt something you like...
>>
>>I can't think of many jobs that I would like. even doing something I
>>like, Might still be something that I don;t like.
>>
>Ok, heres the question to ask yourself: If I could do anything I wanted
>*and* get paid for it, what would that be?
>
>I can think of lots of things: computer repair, porn star, comic strip
>artist, musician, personal trainer...
I want to be an illustrator of things. I'd like that, But I can
imagine the pay being rubbish (reletive to the amount of work you have
to put in) and haveing to live from contract to contract.
So I shall angst about it for a bit.
>>>>>>I poked my finger with the needle just to pass the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>And inocculated your self with 1 million germs...
>>>>
>>>>the fool may be carefree, unknown to him the troubles upon his masters
>>>>brow.
>>>>
>>>Fruits arent just for snackin anymore...
>>
>>You make fools our of them, A kind of dish.
>>
>A dish best served cold....ice cream!
Like snow cones.
>>>>>>A stand up comedian threw paint over them while shouting "Viva
>Goya!",
>>>>>>He was arrested for assulate IIRC, and tryed to defend himself on
>the
>>>>>>grounds that he was makeing performence art.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Performance artists are often labled as trolls :(
>>>>
>>>>There was also another guy who knocked the head off a statue of magert
>>>>thatcher, Very nicely done I thought.
>>>>
>>>Thats a political activist. As soon as they legalise the pacifying
>drugs
>>>in the water supply, all will be well citizen!
>>
>>They put fluoride in the water, it makes my teeth strong.
>>
>And kills brain cells :)
Flouride is naturaly in water anyway. Besides brain cells die anyway.
>>>>>>>Naykid young men hasn't caught on everywhere just yet...you might
>>>want
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>look at Robert Maplethorpe if you like that stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, Twould' be vulgar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>How about a urine soaked crucifix then?
>>>>
>>>>Don't you mean one made out of urine? My theory of art crib book says
>>>>that it was called "piss christ" or something like that.
>>>>
>>>It was a basic crucifix in a beaker of piss. Too deep even for my awsum
>>>artistic sensibilities...
>>>Its like the inside joke no-one gets.
>>
>>IT's not a joke then, just a lamer.
>>
>It was a statement so obscure and l337 that even the artist himself
>sometimes forgot the meaning...
Hmm, so it was gibberish.
>>>>>>>>Someone left the heater on all night and wasted lots.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Get more quilts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's some funyn women who goes all funny if you try to argue with
>her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>You have strangers living with you now? Had to rent the upstairs
>>>bedroom
>>>>>just to make ends meet in Tony Blairs economy eh?
>>>>
>>>>We used to have these two german students liveing with us, They gave
>>>>me this mouse stuffed animal when they left.
>>>>
>>>Were they furry?
>>
>>This was in about 1991, so probably not.
>>
>Do you still talk to them...like pen pals or such?
I can't even remember their names.
>>>King Snuhw()1f
>>>
>>>>---
>>>>Vote Socalist in 2004
>>>^^^^^
>>
>>You typed?
>>
>Just vote, dammit.
Interestingly enough, the university where I'm going, when my fatehr
was tehre (I don't know about it now), They redrew the constituency
lines, So that half the university is in one area which votes for one
representitive, and half in another, So these EVIL LIBERAL VOTEING
STUDENTS could't vote in one big bloc and exert undue power.
§ńühwřŁf
>§ńühwřŁf <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>Dave the Rotating Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>><4030a576...@news.cis.dfn.de>:
>>
>>>§ńühwřŁf <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>>>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>>>him.
>>>
>>>>>>Marijuana will do that to you...
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh no, I don't need any mary jew anna for that, Every job I've ever
>>>>>done, I've always ended up, counting of the seconds. even when I had
a
>>>>>"proper" job for a week in an office, I still did that. It's just...
>>>>>something one does.
>>>>>
>>>>CLOCKWATCHER! Sure...if the job isnt something you like...
>>>
>>>I can't think of many jobs that I would like. even doing something I
>>>like, Might still be something that I don;t like.
>>>
>>Ok, heres the question to ask yourself: If I could do anything I wanted
>>*and* get paid for it, what would that be?
>>
>>I can think of lots of things: computer repair, porn star, comic strip
>>artist, musician, personal trainer...
>
>I want to be an illustrator of things. I'd like that, But I can
>imagine the pay being rubbish (reletive to the amount of work you have
>to put in) and haveing to live from contract to contract.
>
Something I found out after I graduated: scientific illustrators make a
passable living doing technical drawings for science journals.Bugs,
rockets, plants etc...
>So I shall angst about it for a bit.
>
Do you need the practice?
;)
>>>>>>>I poked my finger with the needle just to pass the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>And inocculated your self with 1 million germs...
>>>>>
>>>>>the fool may be carefree, unknown to him the troubles upon his
masters
>>>>>brow.
>>>>>
>>>>Fruits arent just for snackin anymore...
>>>
>>>You make fools our of them, A kind of dish.
>>>
>>A dish best served cold....ice cream!
>
>Like snow cones.
>
Yellow snow cones...
>>>>>>>A stand up comedian threw paint over them while shouting "Viva
>>Goya!",
>>>>>>>He was arrested for assulate IIRC, and tryed to defend himself on
>>the
>>>>>>>grounds that he was makeing performence art.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Performance artists are often labled as trolls :(
>>>>>
>>>>>There was also another guy who knocked the head off a statue of
magert
>>>>>thatcher, Very nicely done I thought.
>>>>>
>>>>Thats a political activist. As soon as they legalise the pacifying
>>drugs
>>>>in the water supply, all will be well citizen!
>>>
>>>They put fluoride in the water, it makes my teeth strong.
>>>
>>And kills brain cells :)
>
>Flouride is naturaly in water anyway. Besides brain cells die anyway.
>
G00gle on flouride toxicity...its not 100% safe.
>>>>>>>>Naykid young men hasn't caught on everywhere just yet...you might
>>>>want
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>look at Robert Maplethorpe if you like that stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No, Twould' be vulgar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>How about a urine soaked crucifix then?
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't you mean one made out of urine? My theory of art crib book
says
>>>>>that it was called "piss christ" or something like that.
>>>>>
>>>>It was a basic crucifix in a beaker of piss. Too deep even for my
awsum
>>>>artistic sensibilities...
>>>>Its like the inside joke no-one gets.
>>>
>>>IT's not a joke then, just a lamer.
>>>
>>It was a statement so obscure and l337 that even the artist himself
>>sometimes forgot the meaning...
>
>Hmm, so it was gibberish.
>
Intentional obscurity is the mainstay of Moderne` Art.
If its soooooooooo l337 that no-one can parse it, how can they properly
critique it?
>>>>>>>>>Someone left the heater on all night and wasted lots.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Get more quilts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's some funyn women who goes all funny if you try to argue with
>>her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>You have strangers living with you now? Had to rent the upstairs
>>>>bedroom
>>>>>>just to make ends meet in Tony Blairs economy eh?
>>>>>
>>>>>We used to have these two german students liveing with us, They gave
>>>>>me this mouse stuffed animal when they left.
>>>>>
>>>>Were they furry?
>>>
>>>This was in about 1991, so probably not.
>>>
>>Do you still talk to them...like pen pals or such?
>
>I can't even remember their names.
>
Awwwwwwww....how sad that we drift apart.
<wipes tear from throbbing eye>
>>>>King Snuhw()1f
>>>>
>>>>>---
>>>>>Vote Socalist in 2004
>>>>^^^^^
>>>
>>>You typed?
>>>
>>Just vote, dammit.
>
>Interestingly enough, the university where I'm going, when my fatehr
>was tehre (I don't know about it now), They redrew the constituency
>lines, So that half the university is in one area which votes for one
>representitive, and half in another, So these EVIL LIBERAL VOTEING
>STUDENTS could't vote in one big bloc and exert undue power.
>
Sounds like they did that on porpose!!!
Flip...
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the Rotating Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>Dave the Rotating Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
><4031fd81...@news.individual.net>:
>
>>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>>him.
>>
>>>Dave the Rotating Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>>><4030a576...@news.cis.dfn.de>:
>>>
>>>>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>>>>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>>>>him.
>>>>
>>>>>>>Marijuana will do that to you...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Oh no, I don't need any mary jew anna for that, Every job I've ever
>>>>>>done, I've always ended up, counting of the seconds. even when I had
>a
>>>>>>"proper" job for a week in an office, I still did that. It's just...
>>>>>>something one does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>CLOCKWATCHER! Sure...if the job isnt something you like...
>>>>
>>>>I can't think of many jobs that I would like. even doing something I
>>>>like, Might still be something that I don;t like.
>>>>
>>>Ok, heres the question to ask yourself: If I could do anything I wanted
>>>*and* get paid for it, what would that be?
>>>
>>>I can think of lots of things: computer repair, porn star, comic strip
>>>artist, musician, personal trainer...
>>
>>I want to be an illustrator of things. I'd like that, But I can
>>imagine the pay being rubbish (reletive to the amount of work you have
>>to put in) and haveing to live from contract to contract.
>>
>Something I found out after I graduated: scientific illustrators make a
>passable living doing technical drawings for science journals.Bugs,
>rockets, plants etc...
Isn't that rather vulnrable to compters though?
I bet anyone can do that with compters.
>>So I shall angst about it for a bit.
>>
>Do you need the practice?
>;)
NGELS ON THE Head of a pin.
>>>>>>>>I poked my finger with the needle just to pass the time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And inocculated your self with 1 million germs...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>the fool may be carefree, unknown to him the troubles upon his
>masters
>>>>>>brow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Fruits arent just for snackin anymore...
>>>>
>>>>You make fools our of them, A kind of dish.
>>>>
>>>A dish best served cold....ice cream!
>>
>>Like snow cones.
>>
>Yellow snow cones...
Yellow rain.
>>>>>>>>A stand up comedian threw paint over them while shouting "Viva
>>>Goya!",
>>>>>>>>He was arrested for assulate IIRC, and tryed to defend himself on
>>>the
>>>>>>>>grounds that he was makeing performence art.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Performance artists are often labled as trolls :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There was also another guy who knocked the head off a statue of
>magert
>>>>>>thatcher, Very nicely done I thought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Thats a political activist. As soon as they legalise the pacifying
>>>drugs
>>>>>in the water supply, all will be well citizen!
>>>>
>>>>They put fluoride in the water, it makes my teeth strong.
>>>>
>>>And kills brain cells :)
>>
>>Flouride is naturaly in water anyway. Besides brain cells die anyway.
>>
>G00gle on flouride toxicity...its not 100% safe.
Neither is air, but you breath it.
>>>>>>>>>Naykid young men hasn't caught on everywhere just yet...you might
>>>>>want
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>look at Robert Maplethorpe if you like that stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, Twould' be vulgar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How about a urine soaked crucifix then?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don't you mean one made out of urine? My theory of art crib book
>says
>>>>>>that it was called "piss christ" or something like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>It was a basic crucifix in a beaker of piss. Too deep even for my
>awsum
>>>>>artistic sensibilities...
>>>>>Its like the inside joke no-one gets.
>>>>
>>>>IT's not a joke then, just a lamer.
>>>>
>>>It was a statement so obscure and l337 that even the artist himself
>>>sometimes forgot the meaning...
>>
>>Hmm, so it was gibberish.
>>
>Intentional obscurity is the mainstay of Moderne` Art.
>If its soooooooooo l337 that no-one can parse it, how can they properly
>critique it?
Umm... You get lots of media attention cos no can work out what the
fuck it's about?
>>>>>>>>>>Someone left the heater on all night and wasted lots.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Get more quilts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's some funyn women who goes all funny if you try to argue with
>>>her.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You have strangers living with you now? Had to rent the upstairs
>>>>>bedroom
>>>>>>>just to make ends meet in Tony Blairs economy eh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We used to have these two german students liveing with us, They gave
>>>>>>me this mouse stuffed animal when they left.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Were they furry?
>>>>
>>>>This was in about 1991, so probably not.
>>>>
>>>Do you still talk to them...like pen pals or such?
>>
>>I can't even remember their names.
>>
>Awwwwwwww....how sad that we drift apart.
><wipes tear from throbbing eye>
Britian moves about 2mm away from mainland europe every year!
>>>>>King Snuhw()1f
>>>>>
>>>>>>---
>>>>>>Vote Socalist in 2004
>>>>>^^^^^
>>>>
>>>>You typed?
>>>>
>>>Just vote, dammit.
>>
>>Interestingly enough, the university where I'm going, when my fatehr
>>was tehre (I don't know about it now), They redrew the constituency
>>lines, So that half the university is in one area which votes for one
>>representitive, and half in another, So these EVIL LIBERAL VOTEING
>>STUDENTS could't vote in one big bloc and exert undue power.
>>
>Sounds like they did that on porpose!!!
>Flip...
I threw away a book about dolphins. I don';t care/
§ńühwřŁf
You're thinking digital photography. A good scientific illustrator has
the ability to interpret and render things a lifeless electronic device
never can. Cut-away drawings showing the different layers & how they
relate to each other fer instance.
>>>So I shall angst about it for a bit.
>>>
>>Do you need the practice?
>>;)
>
>NGELS ON THE Head of a pin.
>
What kind of gel?
>>>>>>>>>I poked my finger with the needle just to pass the time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And inocculated your self with 1 million germs...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>the fool may be carefree, unknown to him the troubles upon his
>>masters
>>>>>>>brow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fruits arent just for snackin anymore...
>>>>>
>>>>>You make fools our of them, A kind of dish.
>>>>>
>>>>A dish best served cold....ice cream!
>>>
>>>Like snow cones.
>>>
>>Yellow snow cones...
>
>Yellow rain.
Lemon yellow sun arms raised in a 'V'...
>>>>>>>>>A stand up comedian threw paint over them while shouting "Viva
>>>>Goya!",
>>>>>>>>>He was arrested for assulate IIRC, and tryed to defend himself
on
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>grounds that he was makeing performence art.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Performance artists are often labled as trolls :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There was also another guy who knocked the head off a statue of
>>magert
>>>>>>>thatcher, Very nicely done I thought.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thats a political activist. As soon as they legalise the pacifying
>>>>drugs
>>>>>>in the water supply, all will be well citizen!
>>>>>
>>>>>They put fluoride in the water, it makes my teeth strong.
>>>>>
>>>>And kills brain cells :)
>>>
>>>Flouride is naturaly in water anyway. Besides brain cells die anyway.
>>>
>>G00gle on flouride toxicity...its not 100% safe.
>
>Neither is air, but you breath it.
>
Do I have a choice then?
>>>>>>>>>>Naykid young men hasn't caught on everywhere just yet...you
might
>>>>>>want
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>look at Robert Maplethorpe if you like that stuff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No, Twould' be vulgar.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How about a urine soaked crucifix then?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don't you mean one made out of urine? My theory of art crib book
>>says
>>>>>>>that it was called "piss christ" or something like that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>It was a basic crucifix in a beaker of piss. Too deep even for my
>>awsum
>>>>>>artistic sensibilities...
>>>>>>Its like the inside joke no-one gets.
>>>>>
>>>>>IT's not a joke then, just a lamer.
>>>>>
>>>>It was a statement so obscure and l337 that even the artist himself
>>>>sometimes forgot the meaning...
>>>
>>>Hmm, so it was gibberish.
>>>
>>Intentional obscurity is the mainstay of Moderne` Art.
>>If its soooooooooo l337 that no-one can parse it, how can they properly
>>critique it?
>
>Umm... You get lots of media attention cos no can work out what the
>fuck it's about?
>
Sure, & the critics love it because whatever they say its correct since
its 100% bullshit from the start. If you start with a lie...
>>>>>>>>>>>Someone left the heater on all night and wasted lots.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Get more quilts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It's some funyn women who goes all funny if you try to argue
with
>>>>her.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You have strangers living with you now? Had to rent the upstairs
>>>>>>bedroom
>>>>>>>>just to make ends meet in Tony Blairs economy eh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We used to have these two german students liveing with us, They
gave
>>>>>>>me this mouse stuffed animal when they left.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Were they furry?
>>>>>
>>>>>This was in about 1991, so probably not.
>>>>>
>>>>Do you still talk to them...like pen pals or such?
>>>
>>>I can't even remember their names.
>>>
>>Awwwwwwww....how sad that we drift apart.
>><wipes tear from throbbing eye>
>
>Britian moves about 2mm away from mainland europe every year!
>
Intellectualy or culturally?
;)
>>>>>>King Snuhw()1f
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>---
>>>>>>>Vote Socalist in 2004
>>>>>>^^^^^
>>>>>
>>>>>You typed?
>>>>>
>>>>Just vote, dammit.
>>>
>>>Interestingly enough, the university where I'm going, when my fatehr
>>>was tehre (I don't know about it now), They redrew the constituency
>>>lines, So that half the university is in one area which votes for one
>>>representitive, and half in another, So these EVIL LIBERAL VOTEING
>>>STUDENTS could't vote in one big bloc and exert undue power.
>>>
>>Sounds like they did that on porpose!!!
>>Flip...
>
>I threw away a book about dolphins. I don';t care/
>
You should...see my scathing post about the evils of fish farms!
King Snuhw()1f, now with 35% more scathing.
Dave the Rotating Hyena
Ohhhh, I've just got my first comission! Im to design a logo for an
orgnisation.
>>>>So I shall angst about it for a bit.
>>>>
>>>Do you need the practice?
>>>;)
>>
>>NGELS ON THE Head of a pin.
>>
>What kind of gel?
There is this gel they spred on your abdomen, they they use ultrasound
to see houw much urine is in your bladder.
>>>>>>>>>>I poked my finger with the needle just to pass the time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And inocculated your self with 1 million germs...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the fool may be carefree, unknown to him the troubles upon his
>>>masters
>>>>>>>>brow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Fruits arent just for snackin anymore...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You make fools our of them, A kind of dish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>A dish best served cold....ice cream!
>>>>
>>>>Like snow cones.
>>>>
>>>Yellow snow cones...
>>
>>Yellow rain.
>
>Lemon yellow sun arms raised in a 'V'...
Don't snow where the huskies go?
>>>>>>>>>>A stand up comedian threw paint over them while shouting "Viva
>>>>>Goya!",
>>>>>>>>>>He was arrested for assulate IIRC, and tryed to defend himself
>on
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>grounds that he was makeing performence art.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Performance artists are often labled as trolls :(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>There was also another guy who knocked the head off a statue of
>>>magert
>>>>>>>>thatcher, Very nicely done I thought.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thats a political activist. As soon as they legalise the pacifying
>>>>>drugs
>>>>>>>in the water supply, all will be well citizen!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They put fluoride in the water, it makes my teeth strong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>And kills brain cells :)
>>>>
>>>>Flouride is naturaly in water anyway. Besides brain cells die anyway.
>>>>
>>>G00gle on flouride toxicity...its not 100% safe.
>>
>>Neither is air, but you breath it.
>>
>Do I have a choice then?
You can buy these alchold inhalre kits, So you can skiff it's vaopous.
Ignorence does not create a subtle mind!
>>>>>>>>>>>>Someone left the heater on all night and wasted lots.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Get more quilts.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It's some funyn women who goes all funny if you try to argue
>with
>>>>>her.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You have strangers living with you now? Had to rent the upstairs
>>>>>>>bedroom
>>>>>>>>>just to make ends meet in Tony Blairs economy eh?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We used to have these two german students liveing with us, They
>gave
>>>>>>>>me this mouse stuffed animal when they left.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Were they furry?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This was in about 1991, so probably not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Do you still talk to them...like pen pals or such?
>>>>
>>>>I can't even remember their names.
>>>>
>>>Awwwwwwww....how sad that we drift apart.
>>><wipes tear from throbbing eye>
>>
>>Britian moves about 2mm away from mainland europe every year!
>>
>Intellectualy or culturally?
>;)
They become more like us everyday, Why, just the othre day, The king
of germany said that they had to start cutting pensions and welfare to
remain competitive.
There is no escape.
>>>>>>>King Snuhw()1f
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>---
>>>>>>>>Vote Socalist in 2004
>>>>>>>^^^^^
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You typed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Just vote, dammit.
>>>>
>>>>Interestingly enough, the university where I'm going, when my fatehr
>>>>was tehre (I don't know about it now), They redrew the constituency
>>>>lines, So that half the university is in one area which votes for one
>>>>representitive, and half in another, So these EVIL LIBERAL VOTEING
>>>>STUDENTS could't vote in one big bloc and exert undue power.
>>>>
>>>Sounds like they did that on porpose!!!
>>>Flip...
>>
>>I threw away a book about dolphins. I don';t care/
>>
>You should...see my scathing post about the evils of fish farms!
>
>King Snuhw()1f, now with 35% more scathing.
My father gets really upset about those. He likes fish.
§ńühwřŁf
Furry socialists?
>>>>>So I shall angst about it for a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>Do you need the practice?
>>>>;)
>>>
>>>NGELS ON THE Head of a pin.
>>>
>>What kind of gel?
>
>There is this gel they spred on your abdomen, they they use ultrasound
>to see houw much urine is in your bladder.
>
Sounds better than the catheter & fill er up with RADIOACTIVE DYE!!!
believe me...........that sucks.
>>>>>>>>>>>I poked my finger with the needle just to pass the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And inocculated your self with 1 million germs...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>the fool may be carefree, unknown to him the troubles upon his
>>>>masters
>>>>>>>>>brow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Fruits arent just for snackin anymore...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You make fools our of them, A kind of dish.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>A dish best served cold....ice cream!
>>>>>
>>>>>Like snow cones.
>>>>>
>>>>Yellow snow cones...
>>>
>>>Yellow rain.
>>
>>Lemon yellow sun arms raised in a 'V'...
>
>Don't snow where the huskies go?
>
And watch out for that Nanook rubs it.
>>>>>>>>>>>A stand up comedian threw paint over them while shouting "Viva
>>>>>>Goya!",
>>>>>>>>>>>He was arrested for assulate IIRC, and tryed to defend himself
>>on
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>grounds that he was makeing performence art.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Performance artists are often labled as trolls :(
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>There was also another guy who knocked the head off a statue of
>>>>magert
>>>>>>>>>thatcher, Very nicely done I thought.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thats a political activist. As soon as they legalise the
pacifying
>>>>>>drugs
>>>>>>>>in the water supply, all will be well citizen!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They put fluoride in the water, it makes my teeth strong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>And kills brain cells :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Flouride is naturaly in water anyway. Besides brain cells die
anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>G00gle on flouride toxicity...its not 100% safe.
>>>
>>>Neither is air, but you breath it.
>>>
>>Do I have a choice then?
>
>You can buy these alchold inhalre kits, So you can skiff it's vaopous.
>
Why would I wanna do that?
It often masks one though :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Someone left the heater on all night and wasted lots.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Get more quilts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>It's some funyn women who goes all funny if you try to argue
>>with
>>>>>>her.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You have strangers living with you now? Had to rent the
upstairs
>>>>>>>>bedroom
>>>>>>>>>>just to make ends meet in Tony Blairs economy eh?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>We used to have these two german students liveing with us, They
>>gave
>>>>>>>>>me this mouse stuffed animal when they left.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Were they furry?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This was in about 1991, so probably not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you still talk to them...like pen pals or such?
>>>>>
>>>>>I can't even remember their names.
>>>>>
>>>>Awwwwwwww....how sad that we drift apart.
>>>><wipes tear from throbbing eye>
>>>
>>>Britian moves about 2mm away from mainland europe every year!
>>>
>>Intellectualy or culturally?
>>;)
>
>They become more like us everyday, Why, just the othre day, The king
>of germany said that they had to start cutting pensions and welfare to
>remain competitive.
>
Oh I saw Gearhead Schroder blah blah blahing on C-Span with Chirac ( who
I must say really comes across as a genuinely *nice* guy.) who was also
yacking it up with Tony B-aLiar. I'd vote for Chirac as world leader any
day :)
>There is no escape.
>
Sure there is, right next to F1 on the top row :)
>>>>>>>>King Snuhw()1f
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>---
>>>>>>>>>Vote Socalist in 2004
>>>>>>>>^^^^^
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You typed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just vote, dammit.
>>>>>
>>>>>Interestingly enough, the university where I'm going, when my fatehr
>>>>>was tehre (I don't know about it now), They redrew the constituency
>>>>>lines, So that half the university is in one area which votes for
one
>>>>>representitive, and half in another, So these EVIL LIBERAL VOTEING
>>>>>STUDENTS could't vote in one big bloc and exert undue power.
>>>>>
>>>>Sounds like they did that on porpose!!!
>>>>Flip...
>>>
>>>I threw away a book about dolphins. I don';t care/
>>>
>>You should...see my scathing post about the evils of fish farms!
>>
>>King Snuhw()1f, now with 35% more scathing.
>
>My father gets really upset about those. He likes fish.
>
Fish can be very loving pets. I wonce gnu a lady who had tilapias in
ponds that you could "pet". The fish liked it.
King Snuhw()1f
--
Anybody But Bush in '04!
Dave the Rotating Hyena
NO. BUT I OUGHT TO SET UP SOME KIND OF FURRY SOCALIST GROUP. THERE IS
ALREADY ONE, BUT IT'S A STALINIST ONE.
>>>>>>So I shall angst about it for a bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Do you need the practice?
>>>>>;)
>>>>
>>>>NGELS ON THE Head of a pin.
>>>>
>>>What kind of gel?
>>
>>There is this gel they spred on your abdomen, they they use ultrasound
>>to see houw much urine is in your bladder.
>>
>Sounds better than the catheter & fill er up with RADIOACTIVE DYE!!!
>believe me...........that sucks.
DO YOU HAVE TO DRINK THE DYE? OR IS IT ITNOR
>>>>>>>>>>>>I poked my finger with the needle just to pass the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And inocculated your self with 1 million germs...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>the fool may be carefree, unknown to him the troubles upon his
>>>>>masters
>>>>>>>>>>brow.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Fruits arent just for snackin anymore...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You make fools our of them, A kind of dish.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A dish best served cold....ice cream!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Like snow cones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Yellow snow cones...
>>>>
>>>>Yellow rain.
>>>
>>>Lemon yellow sun arms raised in a 'V'...
>>
>>Don't snow where the huskies go?
>>
>And watch out for that Nanook rubs it.
polay bear mints?
>>>>>>>>>>>>A stand up comedian threw paint over them while shouting "Viva
>>>>>>>Goya!",
>>>>>>>>>>>>He was arrested for assulate IIRC, and tryed to defend himself
>>>on
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>grounds that he was makeing performence art.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Performance artists are often labled as trolls :(
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>There was also another guy who knocked the head off a statue of
>>>>>magert
>>>>>>>>>>thatcher, Very nicely done I thought.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thats a political activist. As soon as they legalise the
>pacifying
>>>>>>>drugs
>>>>>>>>>in the water supply, all will be well citizen!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>They put fluoride in the water, it makes my teeth strong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And kills brain cells :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Flouride is naturaly in water anyway. Besides brain cells die
>anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>G00gle on flouride toxicity...its not 100% safe.
>>>>
>>>>Neither is air, but you breath it.
>>>>
>>>Do I have a choice then?
>>
>>You can buy these alchold inhalre kits, So you can skiff it's vaopous.
>>
>Why would I wanna do that?
To damage your nose membranes?
How can an ingorant person be subtle?
Chirac falsified expensves to the tune of approx $1million when he was
mayor of paris. He stole from the people.
He is immune to presecution as head of state, but his depty has been
convecited of embellzement. Juppe.
>>There is no escape.
>>
>Sure there is, right next to F1 on the top row :)
I have this "sleep" button, But when I press it, Nothing happens!
>>>>>>>>>King Snuhw()1f
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>---
>>>>>>>>>>Vote Socalist in 2004
>>>>>>>>>^^^^^
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You typed?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Just vote, dammit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Interestingly enough, the university where I'm going, when my fatehr
>>>>>>was tehre (I don't know about it now), They redrew the constituency
>>>>>>lines, So that half the university is in one area which votes for
>one
>>>>>>representitive, and half in another, So these EVIL LIBERAL VOTEING
>>>>>>STUDENTS could't vote in one big bloc and exert undue power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Sounds like they did that on porpose!!!
>>>>>Flip...
>>>>
>>>>I threw away a book about dolphins. I don';t care/
>>>>
>>>You should...see my scathing post about the evils of fish farms!
>>>
>>>King Snuhw()1f, now with 35% more scathing.
>>
>>My father gets really upset about those. He likes fish.
>>
>Fish can be very loving pets. I wonce gnu a lady who had tilapias in
>ponds that you could "pet". The fish liked it.
You can tickle carp.
§ńühwřŁf
>§ńühwřŁf <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>>>>Isn't that rather vulnrable to compters though?
>>>>>I bet anyone can do that with compters.
>>>>>
>>>>You're thinking digital photography. A good scientific illustrator
has
>>>>the ability to interpret and render things a lifeless electronic
device
>>>>never can. Cut-away drawings showing the different layers & how they
>>>>relate to each other fer instance.
>>>
>>>Ohhhh, I've just got my first comission! Im to design a logo for an
>>>orgnisation.
>>>
>>Furry socialists?
>
>NO. BUT I OUGHT TO SET UP SOME KIND OF FURRY SOCALIST GROUP. THERE IS
>ALREADY ONE, BUT IT'S A STALINIST ONE.
>
And yours would be? I'm not well versed on the myriad flavors &
subtleties of socialism ;)
>>>>>>>So I shall angst about it for a bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you need the practice?
>>>>>>;)
>>>>>
>>>>>NGELS ON THE Head of a pin.
>>>>>
>>>>What kind of gel?
>>>
>>>There is this gel they spred on your abdomen, they they use ultrasound
>>>to see houw much urine is in your bladder.
>>>
>>Sounds better than the catheter & fill er up with RADIOACTIVE DYE!!!
>>believe me...........that sucks.
>
>DO YOU HAVE TO DRINK THE DYE? OR IS IT ITNOR
>
THey pUt it iN a caTheTer & sticK it iN YuOr DicK, thEn PaSs it uP iNto
YuOr BlAdDeR.
It SU><0r l0ts.
>>>>>>>>A dish best served cold....ice cream!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Like snow cones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yellow snow cones...
>>>>>
>>>>>Yellow rain.
>>>>
>>>>Lemon yellow sun arms raised in a 'V'...
>>>
>>>Don't snow where the huskies go?
>>>
>>And watch out for that Nanook rubs it.
>
>polay bear mints?
>
Bi-Polar bears now drink Coke.
>>>>>>>Flouride is naturaly in water anyway. Besides brain cells die
>>anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>G00gle on flouride toxicity...its not 100% safe.
>>>>>
>>>>>Neither is air, but you breath it.
>>>>>
>>>>Do I have a choice then?
>>>
>>>You can buy these alchold inhalre kits, So you can skiff it's vaopous.
>>>
>>Why would I wanna do that?
>
>To damage your nose membranes?
>
I reiterate...why?
>>>>>>Intentional obscurity is the mainstay of Moderne` Art.
>>>>>>If its soooooooooo l337 that no-one can parse it, how can they
>>properly
>>>>>>critique it?
>>>>>
>>>>>Umm... You get lots of media attention cos no can work out what the
>>>>>fuck it's about?
>>>>>
>>>>Sure, & the critics love it because whatever they say its correct
since
>>>>its 100% bullshit from the start. If you start with a lie...
>>>
>>>Ignorence does not create a subtle mind!
>>>
>>It often masks one though :)
>
>How can an ingorant person be subtle?
>
People mistake ignorance that has a bit of style layered on top for a
deep & subtle consciousness. Much like a fake zen master :)
>>>>>>>>>>Were they furry?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>This was in about 1991, so probably not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Do you still talk to them...like pen pals or such?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I can't even remember their names.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Awwwwwwww....how sad that we drift apart.
>>>>>><wipes tear from throbbing eye>
>>>>>
>>>>>Britian moves about 2mm away from mainland europe every year!
>>>>>
>>>>Intellectualy or culturally?
>>>>;)
>>>
>>>They become more like us everyday, Why, just the othre day, The king
>>>of germany said that they had to start cutting pensions and welfare to
>>>remain competitive.
>>>
>>Oh I saw Gearhead Schroder blah blah blahing on C-Span with Chirac (
who
>>I must say really comes across as a genuinely *nice* guy.) who was also
>>yacking it up with Tony B-aLiar. I'd vote for Chirac as world leader
any
>>day :)
>
>Chirac falsified expensves to the tune of approx $1million when he was
>mayor of paris. He stole from the people.
>
Ah...well he just seems so likeable...its his face...perfect for a
profesional con-artist :)
>He is immune to presecution as head of state, but his depty has been
>convecited of embellzement. Juppe.
>
Mint Juppe?
>>>There is no escape.
>>>
>>Sure there is, right next to F1 on the top row :)
>
>I have this "sleep" button, But when I press it, Nothing happens!
>
SOme program is running in the background then...do a Ctrl+Alt+Del and
see what programs are running.
Look for trojans & worms. DO this:Run>type "command", then press
Enter...at the prompt type: netstat -an
and then post the results of that here...Maxxy & Baloo could help you
interpret the results. There shouldnt be anything listening on any ports
as long as you are not connected to the internet. Some firewalls do a
loop-back to root and listen on certain ports but your firewall should
tell you what ports it uses.
HTH
>>>>>I threw away a book about dolphins. I don';t care/
>>>>>
>>>>You should...see my scathing post about the evils of fish farms!
>>>>
>>>>King Snuhw()1f, now with 35% more scathing.
>>>
>>>My father gets really upset about those. He likes fish.
>>>
>>Fish can be very loving pets. I wonce gnu a lady who had tilapias in
>>ponds that you could "pet". The fish liked it.
>
>You can tickle carp.
>
Have you tickled carp? I've carped while being tickled...
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the Rotating Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>Dave the Rotating Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
><403600c9...@news.individual.net>:
>
>>§ńühwřŁf <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>>him.
>>
>>>>>>Isn't that rather vulnrable to compters though?
>>>>>>I bet anyone can do that with compters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>You're thinking digital photography. A good scientific illustrator
>has
>>>>>the ability to interpret and render things a lifeless electronic
>device
>>>>>never can. Cut-away drawings showing the different layers & how they
>>>>>relate to each other fer instance.
>>>>
>>>>Ohhhh, I've just got my first comission! Im to design a logo for an
>>>>orgnisation.
>>>>
>>>Furry socialists?
>>
>>NO. BUT I OUGHT TO SET UP SOME KIND OF FURRY SOCALIST GROUP. THERE IS
>>ALREADY ONE, BUT IT'S A STALINIST ONE.
>>
>And yours would be? I'm not well versed on the myriad flavors &
>subtleties of socialism ;)
The non-opportunistic sort. There is nothing worse than oppurtinism.
ONe must stick to ones principles always!
>>>>>>>>So I shall angst about it for a bit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you need the practice?
>>>>>>>;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>NGELS ON THE Head of a pin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>What kind of gel?
>>>>
>>>>There is this gel they spred on your abdomen, they they use ultrasound
>>>>to see houw much urine is in your bladder.
>>>>
>>>Sounds better than the catheter & fill er up with RADIOACTIVE DYE!!!
>>>believe me...........that sucks.
>>
>>DO YOU HAVE TO DRINK THE DYE? OR IS IT ITNOR
>>
>THey pUt it iN a caTheTer & sticK it iN YuOr DicK, thEn PaSs it uP iNto
>YuOr BlAdDeR.
>It SU><0r l0ts.
Monkeys have been kown to rip out catherters. They are probably more
man than men if they can stand that.
>>>>>>>>>A dish best served cold....ice cream!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Like snow cones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yellow snow cones...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yellow rain.
>>>>>
>>>>>Lemon yellow sun arms raised in a 'V'...
>>>>
>>>>Don't snow where the huskies go?
>>>>
>>>And watch out for that Nanook rubs it.
>>
>>polay bear mints?
>>
>Bi-Polar bears now drink Coke.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/Ds-%20Doaa.gif
Is that bi-polar enough?
>>>>>>>>Flouride is naturaly in water anyway. Besides brain cells die
>>>anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>G00gle on flouride toxicity...its not 100% safe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Neither is air, but you breath it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Do I have a choice then?
>>>>
>>>>You can buy these alchold inhalre kits, So you can skiff it's vaopous.
>>>>
>>>Why would I wanna do that?
>>
>>To damage your nose membranes?
>>
>I reiterate...why?
It gets you drunker faster.
>>>>>>>Intentional obscurity is the mainstay of Moderne` Art.
>>>>>>>If its soooooooooo l337 that no-one can parse it, how can they
>>>properly
>>>>>>>critique it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Umm... You get lots of media attention cos no can work out what the
>>>>>>fuck it's about?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Sure, & the critics love it because whatever they say its correct
>since
>>>>>its 100% bullshit from the start. If you start with a lie...
>>>>
>>>>Ignorence does not create a subtle mind!
>>>>
>>>It often masks one though :)
>>
>>How can an ingorant person be subtle?
>>
>People mistake ignorance that has a bit of style layered on top for a
>deep & subtle consciousness. Much like a fake zen master :)
HOw can you tell a fake one from a real one?
Maybe that they DON'T tell you?
>>>>>>>>>>>Were they furry?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>This was in about 1991, so probably not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Do you still talk to them...like pen pals or such?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I can't even remember their names.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Awwwwwwww....how sad that we drift apart.
>>>>>>><wipes tear from throbbing eye>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Britian moves about 2mm away from mainland europe every year!
>>>>>>
>>>>>Intellectualy or culturally?
>>>>>;)
>>>>
>>>>They become more like us everyday, Why, just the othre day, The king
>>>>of germany said that they had to start cutting pensions and welfare to
>>>>remain competitive.
>>>>
>>>Oh I saw Gearhead Schroder blah blah blahing on C-Span with Chirac (
>who
>>>I must say really comes across as a genuinely *nice* guy.) who was also
>>>yacking it up with Tony B-aLiar. I'd vote for Chirac as world leader
>any
>>>day :)
>>
>>Chirac falsified expensves to the tune of approx $1million when he was
>>mayor of paris. He stole from the people.
>>
>Ah...well he just seems so likeable...its his face...perfect for a
>profesional con-artist :)
The biggest criminals are not called such.
>>He is immune to presecution as head of state, but his depty has been
>>convecited of embellzement. Juppe.
>>
>Mint Juppe?
He drinks mint julips and whips the servants.
>>>>There is no escape.
>>>>
>>>Sure there is, right next to F1 on the top row :)
>>
>>I have this "sleep" button, But when I press it, Nothing happens!
>>
>SOme program is running in the background then...do a Ctrl+Alt+Del and
>see what programs are running.
>Look for trojans & worms. DO this:Run>type "command", then press
>Enter...at the prompt type: netstat -an
>and then post the results of that here...Maxxy & Baloo could help you
>interpret the results. There shouldnt be anything listening on any ports
>as long as you are not connected to the internet. Some firewalls do a
>loop-back to root and listen on certain ports but your firewall should
>tell you what ports it uses.
>HTH
Windows XP buijlt in firewall proctects me!
>>>>>>I threw away a book about dolphins. I don';t care/
>>>>>>
>>>>>You should...see my scathing post about the evils of fish farms!
>>>>>
>>>>>King Snuhw()1f, now with 35% more scathing.
>>>>
>>>>My father gets really upset about those. He likes fish.
>>>>
>>>Fish can be very loving pets. I wonce gnu a lady who had tilapias in
>>>ponds that you could "pet". The fish liked it.
>>
>>You can tickle carp.
>>
>Have you tickled carp? I've carped while being tickled...
I've cought a fish, then I put it back in.
§ńühwřŁf
Hey, if you can pull it off more power to ya & all that.
I just basically had my faith in humanity erroded away from age thirty to
now...when I was in my 20's I was full of hope & idealism.
Then life happened.
Go fig.
>>>>>>>>>So I shall angst about it for a bit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Do you need the practice?
>>>>>>>>;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>NGELS ON THE Head of a pin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>What kind of gel?
>>>>>
>>>>>There is this gel they spred on your abdomen, they they use
ultrasound
>>>>>to see houw much urine is in your bladder.
>>>>>
>>>>Sounds better than the catheter & fill er up with RADIOACTIVE DYE!!!
>>>>believe me...........that sucks.
>>>
>>>DO YOU HAVE TO DRINK THE DYE? OR IS IT ITNOR
>>>
>>THey pUt it iN a caTheTer & sticK it iN YuOr DicK, thEn PaSs it uP iNto
>>YuOr BlAdDeR.
>>It SU><0r l0ts.
>
>Monkeys have been kown to rip out catherters. They are probably more
>man than men if they can stand that.
>
Mental patients & the elderly do that...its more about being "out of it"
than anything else.
>>>>>>>>>>A dish best served cold....ice cream!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Like snow cones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yellow snow cones...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yellow rain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Lemon yellow sun arms raised in a 'V'...
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't snow where the huskies go?
>>>>>
>>>>And watch out for that Nanook rubs it.
>>>
>>>polay bear mints?
>>>
>>Bi-Polar bears now drink Coke.
>
>http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/Ds-%20Doaa.gif
>
That looks like it has religious overtones...
>Is that bi-polar enough?
>
Was that the cause of it!?!?
>>>>>>>>>Flouride is naturaly in water anyway. Besides brain cells die
>>>>anyway.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>G00gle on flouride toxicity...its not 100% safe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Neither is air, but you breath it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do I have a choice then?
>>>>>
>>>>>You can buy these alchold inhalre kits, So you can skiff it's
vaopous.
>>>>>
>>>>Why would I wanna do that?
>>>
>>>To damage your nose membranes?
>>>
>>I reiterate...why?
>
>It gets you drunker faster.
>
Ah...Ive heard of people doing beer enemas & stuff. My GOD! but if you
need to get that drunk that fast you have big glossy issues.
>>>>>>>>Intentional obscurity is the mainstay of Moderne` Art.
>>>>>>>>If its soooooooooo l337 that no-one can parse it, how can they
>>>>properly
>>>>>>>>critique it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Umm... You get lots of media attention cos no can work out what
the
>>>>>>>fuck it's about?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sure, & the critics love it because whatever they say its correct
>>since
>>>>>>its 100% bullshit from the start. If you start with a lie...
>>>>>
>>>>>Ignorence does not create a subtle mind!
>>>>>
>>>>It often masks one though :)
>>>
>>>How can an ingorant person be subtle?
>>>
>>People mistake ignorance that has a bit of style layered on top for a
>>deep & subtle consciousness. Much like a fake zen master :)
>
>HOw can you tell a fake one from a real one?
>Maybe that they DON'T tell you?
>
Time will tell. You just have to invest the time to figure out whats
what. Some people seem ignant as hell at first but after getting to know
them for a few weeks, months, years...you realise they are smart in ways
you didnt realise.
They're called charismatic leaders....got it :)
>>>He is immune to presecution as head of state, but his depty has been
>>>convecited of embellzement. Juppe.
>>>
>>Mint Juppe?
>
>He drinks mint julips and whips the servants.
>
The mark of a true statesman...
>>>>>There is no escape.
>>>>>
>>>>Sure there is, right next to F1 on the top row :)
>>>
>>>I have this "sleep" button, But when I press it, Nothing happens!
>>>
>>SOme program is running in the background then...do a Ctrl+Alt+Del and
>>see what programs are running.
>>Look for trojans & worms. DO this:Run>type "command", then press
>>Enter...at the prompt type: netstat -an
>>and then post the results of that here...Maxxy & Baloo could help you
>>interpret the results. There shouldnt be anything listening on any
ports
>>as long as you are not connected to the internet. Some firewalls do a
>>loop-back to root and listen on certain ports but your firewall should
>>tell you what ports it uses.
>>HTH
>
>Windows XP buijlt in firewall proctects me!
>
Somewhat. Upgrade to a real firewall and install these programs (g00gle
for em) Xp-Anti Spy and SpyBot Search & Destroy.
>>>>>>>I threw away a book about dolphins. I don';t care/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>You should...see my scathing post about the evils of fish farms!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>King Snuhw()1f, now with 35% more scathing.
>>>>>
>>>>>My father gets really upset about those. He likes fish.
>>>>>
>>>>Fish can be very loving pets. I wonce gnu a lady who had tilapias in
>>>>ponds that you could "pet". The fish liked it.
>>>
>>>You can tickle carp.
>>>
>>Have you tickled carp? I've carped while being tickled...
>
>I've cought a fish, then I put it back in.
>
Always ask it if its a Magic fish...then you'll get your three wishes.
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the Rotating Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>Dave the Rotating Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
><4037560b...@news.individual.net>:
>
>>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>>him.
>>
>>>Dave the Rotating Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>>><403600c9...@news.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
Life doesn't start until your 30's?!?!?
>>>>>>>>>>So I shall angst about it for a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Do you need the practice?
>>>>>>>>>;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>NGELS ON THE Head of a pin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What kind of gel?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There is this gel they spred on your abdomen, they they use
>ultrasound
>>>>>>to see houw much urine is in your bladder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Sounds better than the catheter & fill er up with RADIOACTIVE DYE!!!
>>>>>believe me...........that sucks.
>>>>
>>>>DO YOU HAVE TO DRINK THE DYE? OR IS IT ITNOR
>>>>
>>>THey pUt it iN a caTheTer & sticK it iN YuOr DicK, thEn PaSs it uP iNto
>>>YuOr BlAdDeR.
>>>It SU><0r l0ts.
>>
>>Monkeys have been kown to rip out catherters. They are probably more
>>man than men if they can stand that.
>>
>Mental patients & the elderly do that...its more about being "out of it"
>than anything else.
No NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.
>>>>>>>>>>>A dish best served cold....ice cream!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Like snow cones.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yellow snow cones...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yellow rain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Lemon yellow sun arms raised in a 'V'...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don't snow where the huskies go?
>>>>>>
>>>>>And watch out for that Nanook rubs it.
>>>>
>>>>polay bear mints?
>>>>
>>>Bi-Polar bears now drink Coke.
>>
>>http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/Ds-%20Doaa.gif
>>
>That looks like it has religious overtones...
>
>>Is that bi-polar enough?
>>
>Was that the cause of it!?!?
Certainly not. I'm in fine mental health. I just like the idea.
Techno-Fantasy, Steampunk, That kind of stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>Flouride is naturaly in water anyway. Besides brain cells die
>>>>>anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>G00gle on flouride toxicity...its not 100% safe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Neither is air, but you breath it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do I have a choice then?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You can buy these alchold inhalre kits, So you can skiff it's
>vaopous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Why would I wanna do that?
>>>>
>>>>To damage your nose membranes?
>>>>
>>>I reiterate...why?
>>
>>It gets you drunker faster.
>>
>Ah...Ive heard of people doing beer enemas & stuff. My GOD! but if you
>need to get that drunk that fast you have big glossy issues.
I tried drinking two "shots"of vodka, but while I noteiced a slight
debetioation in my motor finctions, I didn't FEEL drunk. No fuzzy
mental cotton wool.
>>>>>>>>>Intentional obscurity is the mainstay of Moderne` Art.
>>>>>>>>>If its soooooooooo l337 that no-one can parse it, how can they
>>>>>properly
>>>>>>>>>critique it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Umm... You get lots of media attention cos no can work out what
>the
>>>>>>>>fuck it's about?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sure, & the critics love it because whatever they say its correct
>>>since
>>>>>>>its 100% bullshit from the start. If you start with a lie...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ignorence does not create a subtle mind!
>>>>>>
>>>>>It often masks one though :)
>>>>
>>>>How can an ingorant person be subtle?
>>>>
>>>People mistake ignorance that has a bit of style layered on top for a
>>>deep & subtle consciousness. Much like a fake zen master :)
>>
>>HOw can you tell a fake one from a real one?
>>Maybe that they DON'T tell you?
>>
>Time will tell. You just have to invest the time to figure out whats
>what. Some people seem ignant as hell at first but after getting to know
>them for a few weeks, months, years...you realise they are smart in ways
>you didnt realise.
WEll, that's because people are smart about different things, A
mechanic may not know much about literature, Art, polotics et al, but
may know a lot about makeing stuff.
The Charmismatic church is the fastest growing one here.
>>>>He is immune to presecution as head of state, but his depty has been
>>>>convecited of embellzement. Juppe.
>>>>
>>>Mint Juppe?
>>
>>He drinks mint julips and whips the servants.
>>
>The mark of a true statesman...
>
>>>>>>There is no escape.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Sure there is, right next to F1 on the top row :)
>>>>
>>>>I have this "sleep" button, But when I press it, Nothing happens!
>>>>
>>>SOme program is running in the background then...do a Ctrl+Alt+Del and
>>>see what programs are running.
>>>Look for trojans & worms. DO this:Run>type "command", then press
>>>Enter...at the prompt type: netstat -an
>>>and then post the results of that here...Maxxy & Baloo could help you
>>>interpret the results. There shouldnt be anything listening on any
>ports
>>>as long as you are not connected to the internet. Some firewalls do a
>>>loop-back to root and listen on certain ports but your firewall should
>>>tell you what ports it uses.
>>>HTH
>>
>>Windows XP buijlt in firewall proctects me!
>>
>Somewhat. Upgrade to a real firewall and install these programs (g00gle
>for em) Xp-Anti Spy and SpyBot Search & Destroy.
I already got both of them. I still get spyware.
>>>>>>>>I threw away a book about dolphins. I don';t care/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You should...see my scathing post about the evils of fish farms!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>King Snuhw()1f, now with 35% more scathing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My father gets really upset about those. He likes fish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Fish can be very loving pets. I wonce gnu a lady who had tilapias in
>>>>>ponds that you could "pet". The fish liked it.
>>>>
>>>>You can tickle carp.
>>>>
>>>Have you tickled carp? I've carped while being tickled...
>>
>>I've cought a fish, then I put it back in.
>>
>Always ask it if its a Magic fish...then you'll get your three wishes.
you need tweezers to get the hooks out of their soft mouth flesh.
§ńühwřŁf
I didnt understand to the full extent the capabilities of human deceit
until then...
plus I was still living w/ mom & dad :)
>>>>>>>>>>>So I shall angst about it for a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Do you need the practice?
>>>>>>>>>>;)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>NGELS ON THE Head of a pin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What kind of gel?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There is this gel they spred on your abdomen, they they use
>>ultrasound
>>>>>>>to see houw much urine is in your bladder.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sounds better than the catheter & fill er up with RADIOACTIVE
DYE!!!
>>>>>>believe me...........that sucks.
>>>>>
>>>>>DO YOU HAVE TO DRINK THE DYE? OR IS IT ITNOR
>>>>>
>>>>THey pUt it iN a caTheTer & sticK it iN YuOr DicK, thEn PaSs it uP
iNto
>>>>YuOr BlAdDeR.
>>>>It SU><0r l0ts.
>>>
>>>Monkeys have been kown to rip out catherters. They are probably more
>>>man than men if they can stand that.
>>>
>>Mental patients & the elderly do that...its more about being "out of
it"
>>than anything else.
>
>No NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.
>
Too horrid an image? Hey, I spent last night projectile vomiting and
having bed spins. Note to self: wash hands thouroughly after working and
before eating :(
>>>>>>>>>>>>A dish best served cold....ice cream!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Like snow cones.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yellow snow cones...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yellow rain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lemon yellow sun arms raised in a 'V'...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don't snow where the huskies go?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>And watch out for that Nanook rubs it.
>>>>>
>>>>>polay bear mints?
>>>>>
>>>>Bi-Polar bears now drink Coke.
>>>
>>>http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/Ds-%20Doaa.gif
>>>
>>That looks like it has religious overtones...
>>
>>>Is that bi-polar enough?
>>>
>>Was that the cause of it!?!?
>
>Certainly not. I'm in fine mental health. I just like the idea.
>Techno-Fantasy, Steampunk, That kind of stuff.
>
"Steampunk"??? You better 'splain yourself Lucy...
>>>>>>>>>>>Flouride is naturaly in water anyway. Besides brain cells die
>>>>>>anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>G00gle on flouride toxicity...its not 100% safe.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Neither is air, but you breath it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Do I have a choice then?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You can buy these alchold inhalre kits, So you can skiff it's
>>vaopous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why would I wanna do that?
>>>>>
>>>>>To damage your nose membranes?
>>>>>
>>>>I reiterate...why?
>>>
>>>It gets you drunker faster.
>>>
>>Ah...Ive heard of people doing beer enemas & stuff. My GOD! but if you
>>need to get that drunk that fast you have big glossy issues.
>
>I tried drinking two "shots"of vodka, but while I noteiced a slight
>debetioation in my motor finctions, I didn't FEEL drunk. No fuzzy
>mental cotton wool.
>
<shrugs> some people handle liquor better than others. You're too young
to be drinking btw.
'zactly...so why'd you ask?
IS there actually one called that!? What do they teach?
You need to update Spybot once a month and run it on a regular
basis...use the "Immunize" function as well.
>>>>>>>>>I threw away a book about dolphins. I don';t care/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You should...see my scathing post about the evils of fish farms!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>King Snuhw()1f, now with 35% more scathing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My father gets really upset about those. He likes fish.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fish can be very loving pets. I wonce gnu a lady who had tilapias
in
>>>>>>ponds that you could "pet". The fish liked it.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can tickle carp.
>>>>>
>>>>Have you tickled carp? I've carped while being tickled...
>>>
>>>I've cought a fish, then I put it back in.
>>>
>>Always ask it if its a Magic fish...then you'll get your three wishes.
>
>you need tweezers to get the hooks out of their soft mouth flesh.
>
Or one of them fish pliers...
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the Rotating Hyena
I understand the full capabilites of human deceit in that I have read
of it, and of the hypocrises of those in power et al.
But do I need to expiernce it first hand to truly know?
I always wash my hands at work, first I wash my rubber gloves in
antibactierial stuff, Then I take them off, Then I wash my hands in
anti-bacterial soap. Then in normal soap. Cos I have to clean toilets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>A dish best served cold....ice cream!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Like snow cones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Yellow snow cones...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yellow rain.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Lemon yellow sun arms raised in a 'V'...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Don't snow where the huskies go?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And watch out for that Nanook rubs it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>polay bear mints?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Bi-Polar bears now drink Coke.
>>>>
>>>>http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/Ds-%20Doaa.gif
>>>>
>>>That looks like it has religious overtones...
>>>
>>>>Is that bi-polar enough?
>>>>
>>>Was that the cause of it!?!?
>>
>>Certainly not. I'm in fine mental health. I just like the idea.
>>Techno-Fantasy, Steampunk, That kind of stuff.
>>
>"Steampunk"??? You better 'splain yourself Lucy...
Well, Like Steam powered spaceships, Steam powered robots.
Computers with Runes put on them to "make them better", painting
vechiles red because it makes them go faster. That kind of thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Flouride is naturaly in water anyway. Besides brain cells die
>>>>>>>anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>G00gle on flouride toxicity...its not 100% safe.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Neither is air, but you breath it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Do I have a choice then?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You can buy these alchold inhalre kits, So you can skiff it's
>>>vaopous.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why would I wanna do that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To damage your nose membranes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>I reiterate...why?
>>>>
>>>>It gets you drunker faster.
>>>>
>>>Ah...Ive heard of people doing beer enemas & stuff. My GOD! but if you
>>>need to get that drunk that fast you have big glossy issues.
>>
>>I tried drinking two "shots"of vodka, but while I noteiced a slight
>>debetioation in my motor finctions, I didn't FEEL drunk. No fuzzy
>>mental cotton wool.
>>
><shrugs> some people handle liquor better than others. You're too young
>to be drinking btw.
18 is the legal age here. 16 to have a glass of wine or beer with a
meal.
Because people like the famliar, I'd talk wuth my friends, and go over
essentialy the same grounds in conversation many times, And everyone
was happy with that, Because it had little capability or chance to
offend, make tensions et al.
IIRC, they beat up little children to make the devil go away.
I do! But there's always at least one or two.
>>>>>>>>>>I threw away a book about dolphins. I don';t care/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You should...see my scathing post about the evils of fish farms!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>King Snuhw()1f, now with 35% more scathing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My father gets really upset about those. He likes fish.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Fish can be very loving pets. I wonce gnu a lady who had tilapias
>in
>>>>>>>ponds that you could "pet". The fish liked it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You can tickle carp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Have you tickled carp? I've carped while being tickled...
>>>>
>>>>I've cought a fish, then I put it back in.
>>>>
>>>Always ask it if its a Magic fish...then you'll get your three wishes.
>>
>>you need tweezers to get the hooks out of their soft mouth flesh.
>>
>Or one of them fish pliers...
You get these special knives for removeing their scales.
§ńühwřŁf
>§ńühwřŁf <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Ohhhh, I've just got my first comission! Im to design a logo for
>>an
>>>>>>>>>orgnisation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Furry socialists?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>NO. BUT I OUGHT TO SET UP SOME KIND OF FURRY SOCALIST GROUP. THERE
>>IS
>>>>>>>ALREADY ONE, BUT IT'S A STALINIST ONE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>And yours would be? I'm not well versed on the myriad flavors &
>>>>>>subtleties of socialism ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>The non-opportunistic sort. There is nothing worse than oppurtinism.
>>>>>ONe must stick to ones principles always!
>>>>>
>>>>Hey, if you can pull it off more power to ya & all that.
>>>>I just basically had my faith in humanity erroded away from age thirty
>>to
>>>>now...when I was in my 20's I was full of hope & idealism.
>>>>Then life happened.
>>>>Go fig.
>>>
>>>Life doesn't start until your 30's?!?!?
>>>
>>I didnt understand to the full extent the capabilities of human deceit
>>until then...
>>plus I was still living w/ mom & dad :)
>
>I understand the full capabilites of human deceit in that I have read
>of it, and of the hypocrises of those in power et al.
>But do I need to expiernce it first hand to truly know?
>
I'm not saying that all kids, or even kids today are as gullible as I was.
Maybe parents had a different concept as to what to present to kids in terms of
what life is like back then. Maybe they thought you need to sheild kids from
the "uglyness" that comprises much of human interactions?
Your parents must have had a different outlook I recon.
>>>>>>>>Sounds better than the catheter & fill er up with RADIOACTIVE
>>DYE!!!
>>>>>>>>believe me...........that sucks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>DO YOU HAVE TO DRINK THE DYE? OR IS IT ITNOR
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>THey pUt it iN a caTheTer & sticK it iN YuOr DicK, thEn PaSs it uP
>>iNto
>>>>>>YuOr BlAdDeR.
>>>>>>It SU><0r l0ts.
>>>>>
>>>>>Monkeys have been kown to rip out catherters. They are probably more
>>>>>man than men if they can stand that.
>>>>>
>>>>Mental patients & the elderly do that...its more about being "out of
>>it"
>>>>than anything else.
>>>
>>>No NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.
>>>
>>Too horrid an image? Hey, I spent last night projectile vomiting and
>>having bed spins. Note to self: wash hands thouroughly after working and
>>before eating :(
>
>I always wash my hands at work, first I wash my rubber gloves in
>antibactierial stuff, Then I take them off, Then I wash my hands in
>anti-bacterial soap. Then in normal soap. Cos I have to clean toilets.
>
E-coli is all around...I got it from dirt on the floor of my truck after I
removed the seats...I ate some corn chips with dirty hands :(
Cleaning toilets will expose you to the worst of the worst though. All sorts of
things get transmitted via urine...feces...you will wind up with one tough as
hell immune system. When I was a maid in a hotel, I got sick a lot at first
then my immune system caught up...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Don't snow where the huskies go?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And watch out for that Nanook rubs it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>polay bear mints?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bi-Polar bears now drink Coke.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/Ds-%20Doaa.gif
>>>>>
>>>>That looks like it has religious overtones...
>>>>
>>>>>Is that bi-polar enough?
>>>>>
>>>>Was that the cause of it!?!?
>>>
>>>Certainly not. I'm in fine mental health. I just like the idea.
>>>Techno-Fantasy, Steampunk, That kind of stuff.
>>>
>>"Steampunk"??? You better 'splain yourself Lucy...
>
>Well, Like Steam powered spaceships, Steam powered robots.
>
That would be unlikely.
>Computers with Runes put on them to "make them better", painting
>vechiles red because it makes them go faster. That kind of thing.
>
Ahhhhhhhhh...techomagic...making sciene fiction appeal to the Lord of the Rings
crowd. Heh...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You can buy these alchold inhalre kits, So you can skiff it's
>>>>vaopous.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why would I wanna do that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>To damage your nose membranes?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I reiterate...why?
>>>>>
>>>>>It gets you drunker faster.
>>>>>
>>>>Ah...Ive heard of people doing beer enemas & stuff. My GOD! but if you
>>>>need to get that drunk that fast you have big glossy issues.
>>>
>>>I tried drinking two "shots"of vodka, but while I noteiced a slight
>>>debetioation in my motor finctions, I didn't FEEL drunk. No fuzzy
>>>mental cotton wool.
>>>
>><shrugs> some people handle liquor better than others. You're too young
>>to be drinking btw.
>
>18 is the legal age here. 16 to have a glass of wine or beer with a
>meal.
>
U.K: we start our alkies off quick...thats dumb...your brain is still
developing until your 20.
>>>>>>>>>Ignorence does not create a subtle mind!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It often masks one though :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How can an ingorant person be subtle?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>People mistake ignorance that has a bit of style layered on top for a
>>>>>>deep & subtle consciousness. Much like a fake zen master :)
>>>>>
>>>>>HOw can you tell a fake one from a real one?
>>>>>Maybe that they DON'T tell you?
>>>>>
>>>>Time will tell. You just have to invest the time to figure out whats
>>>>what. Some people seem ignant as hell at first but after getting to
>>know
>>>>them for a few weeks, months, years...you realise they are smart in
>>ways
>>>>you didnt realise.
>>>
>>>WEll, that's because people are smart about different things, A
>>>mechanic may not know much about literature, Art, polotics et al, but
>>>may know a lot about makeing stuff.
>>>
>>'zactly...so why'd you ask?
>
>Because people like the famliar, I'd talk wuth my friends, and go over
>essentialy the same grounds in conversation many times, And everyone
>was happy with that, Because it had little capability or chance to
>offend, make tensions et al.
>
Offending me takes real effort ;)
Oh...zealots & inbred gits...they have snake charmers here in the south that
"prove their faith" by handling poisonous snakes.
Child abuse as a religious freedom...hmmmmmmm...
>>>>>>>>>There is no escape.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sure there is, right next to F1 on the top row :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have this "sleep" button, But when I press it, Nothing happens!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>SOme program is running in the background then...do a Ctrl+Alt+Del
>>and
>>>>>>see what programs are running.
>>>>>>Look for trojans & worms. DO this:Run>type "command", then press
>>>>>>Enter...at the prompt type: netstat -an
>>>>>>and then post the results of that here...Maxxy & Baloo could help you
>>>>>>interpret the results. There shouldnt be anything listening on any
>>>>ports
>>>>>>as long as you are not connected to the internet. Some firewalls do a
>>>>>>loop-back to root and listen on certain ports but your firewall
>>should
>>>>>>tell you what ports it uses.
>>>>>>HTH
>>>>>
>>>>>Windows XP buijlt in firewall proctects me!
>>>>>
>>>>Somewhat. Upgrade to a real firewall and install these programs (g00gle
>>>>for em) Xp-Anti Spy and SpyBot Search & Destroy.
>>>
>>>I already got both of them. I still get spyware.
>>>
>>You need to update Spybot once a month and run it on a regular
>>basis...use the "Immunize" function as well.
>
>I do! But there's always at least one or two.
>
Every time you surf certain sites they install stealth crapware to get
marketing info on you. M$ isn't all that secure you see...
>>>>>>>You can tickle carp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Have you tickled carp? I've carped while being tickled...
>>>>>
>>>>>I've cought a fish, then I put it back in.
>>>>>
>>>>Always ask it if its a Magic fish...then you'll get your three wishes.
>>>
>>>you need tweezers to get the hooks out of their soft mouth flesh.
>>>
>>Or one of them fish pliers...
>
>You get these special knives for removeing their scales.
>
Fillet knives? Theres a board that you put them on to descale them...
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the Rotating Hyena
I suppose, To a varying extent, We all have a road of deceit and
betrayal to tread.
Some people to be betrayed, Some to do the beteaying, But most (will)
do a little of both I guess. Even me. though, That seems to imply that
I'm a special case, Which I'm not. But then... To ourselves, we are
special.
Aye, when I first had the job, I was always getting upset stomachs and
passing rancorous wind.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Don't snow where the huskies go?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And watch out for that Nanook rubs it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>polay bear mints?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bi-Polar bears now drink Coke.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/Ds-%20Doaa.gif
>>>>>>
>>>>>That looks like it has religious overtones...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Is that bi-polar enough?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Was that the cause of it!?!?
>>>>
>>>>Certainly not. I'm in fine mental health. I just like the idea.
>>>>Techno-Fantasy, Steampunk, That kind of stuff.
>>>>
>>>"Steampunk"??? You better 'splain yourself Lucy...
>>
>>Well, Like Steam powered spaceships, Steam powered robots.
>>
>That would be unlikely.
But a staple none the less.
>>Computers with Runes put on them to "make them better", painting
>>vechiles red because it makes them go faster. That kind of thing.
>>
>Ahhhhhhhhh...techomagic...making sciene fiction appeal to the Lord of the Rings
>crowd. Heh...
Acutally, That might be an interesting point. I'm awful at maths, and
I was only really interested in biology and history. Esp. medevil
history. So, I'm less likely to be interestined in "hard Sci-fi", and
more towards "fantasy".
Now, The funnything is, Despite the fact that most fantasy is set in
more or less medevil times, It seems to exist in some kind of magic
land where all kings are noble.
Most Techno-Fantasy universes are horrible places of unending
suffering, Brutal tyranny, Monsterous mutants, and moral ambiguity.
I.e True Feudalism.
I guess, that's what I like, It takes elements of Sci-Fi which appeal
to me, Like Power(ed) armour (maybe that's like the werewolf thing, I
mean, Who wouldn't want a suit of armour which makes you able to chuck
tanks about like pebbles? very... empowering for the powerless I
guess) Space and Space ships et al, But also with the elements I like
from medevil history, Like Fedualism, Violence, Hypocrisy, An all
powerful church.
Thus, Createing a bubbeling bastardised brew which appeals to me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You can buy these alchold inhalre kits, So you can skiff it's
>>>>>vaopous.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Why would I wanna do that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>To damage your nose membranes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I reiterate...why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It gets you drunker faster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Ah...Ive heard of people doing beer enemas & stuff. My GOD! but if you
>>>>>need to get that drunk that fast you have big glossy issues.
>>>>
>>>>I tried drinking two "shots"of vodka, but while I noteiced a slight
>>>>debetioation in my motor finctions, I didn't FEEL drunk. No fuzzy
>>>>mental cotton wool.
>>>>
>>><shrugs> some people handle liquor better than others. You're too young
>>>to be drinking btw.
>>
>>18 is the legal age here. 16 to have a glass of wine or beer with a
>>meal.
>>
>U.K: we start our alkies off quick...thats dumb...your brain is still
>developing until your 20.
I'm sure if I tried to do something to prove how mature I was, I'd
just prove how immature I was, And yet perhaps even thinking of domin
something to prove how matture I am is immature?!?
Interesingly enough, The age of criminal resposibility here is about 9
IIRC. You can be sent to jail for life for crimes commited at that
age, And people have.
>>>>>>>>>>Ignorence does not create a subtle mind!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It often masks one though :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How can an ingorant person be subtle?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>People mistake ignorance that has a bit of style layered on top for a
>>>>>>>deep & subtle consciousness. Much like a fake zen master :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>HOw can you tell a fake one from a real one?
>>>>>>Maybe that they DON'T tell you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Time will tell. You just have to invest the time to figure out whats
>>>>>what. Some people seem ignant as hell at first but after getting to
>>>know
>>>>>them for a few weeks, months, years...you realise they are smart in
>>>ways
>>>>>you didnt realise.
>>>>
>>>>WEll, that's because people are smart about different things, A
>>>>mechanic may not know much about literature, Art, polotics et al, but
>>>>may know a lot about makeing stuff.
>>>>
>>>'zactly...so why'd you ask?
>>
>>Because people like the famliar, I'd talk wuth my friends, and go over
>>essentialy the same grounds in conversation many times, And everyone
>>was happy with that, Because it had little capability or chance to
>>offend, make tensions et al.
>>
>Offending me takes real effort ;)
Hmm, I like to throw puppies at windows?
I know someone who was relegios at school, And they were always a bit
"glazed eyes" funny to interact with.
But it's all I have. andI paid Ł60 for it.
>>>>>>>>You can tickle carp.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Have you tickled carp? I've carped while being tickled...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've cought a fish, then I put it back in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Always ask it if its a Magic fish...then you'll get your three wishes.
>>>>
>>>>you need tweezers to get the hooks out of their soft mouth flesh.
>>>>
>>>Or one of them fish pliers...
>>
>>You get these special knives for removeing their scales.
>>
>Fillet knives? Theres a board that you put them on to descale them...
My father has a samurai knife for gutting fish, It's sharpe enough to
cut through very very thin sheets of metal!
§ńühwřŁf
My point being that if one is "innocent" or downright gullible, one is better
prepared to deal with it.
>Some people to be betrayed, Some to do the beteaying, But most (will)
>do a little of both I guess. Even me. though, That seems to imply that
>I'm a special case, Which I'm not. But then... To ourselves, we are
>special.
>
Right. Since I can't live your life nor you mine. So we feel,individually,
perhaps that we are "special cases" and have suffered, achieved, etc more than
the average. While its only a case of mis-perception.
Hmmmmmmm...
LOL! Heh sorry..."that which dosen't kill you..." will prolly give you cancer
;)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Don't snow where the huskies go?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And watch out for that Nanook rubs it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>polay bear mints?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Bi-Polar bears now drink Coke.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/Ds-%20Doaa.gif
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>That looks like it has religious overtones...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is that bi-polar enough?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Was that the cause of it!?!?
>>>>>
>>>>>Certainly not. I'm in fine mental health. I just like the idea.
>>>>>Techno-Fantasy, Steampunk, That kind of stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>"Steampunk"??? You better 'splain yourself Lucy...
>>>
>>>Well, Like Steam powered spaceships, Steam powered robots.
>>>
>>That would be unlikely.
>
>But a staple none the less.
>
It runs in the face of mechanical logic. Steam is very inneficient as a power
source. Electrics & hydraulics are the way to go.
>>>Computers with Runes put on them to "make them better", painting
>>>vechiles red because it makes them go faster. That kind of thing.
>>>
>>Ahhhhhhhhh...techomagic...making sciene fiction appeal to the Lord of the
Rings
>>crowd. Heh...
>
>Acutally, That might be an interesting point. I'm awful at maths, and
>I was only really interested in biology and history. Esp. medevil
>history. So, I'm less likely to be interestined in "hard Sci-fi", and
>more towards "fantasy".
>
>Now, The funnything is, Despite the fact that most fantasy is set in
>more or less medevil times, It seems to exist in some kind of magic
>land where all kings are noble.
>
>Most Techno-Fantasy universes are horrible places of unending
>suffering, Brutal tyranny, Monsterous mutants, and moral ambiguity.
>I.e True Feudalism.
>
Ive always found it interesting that writers will basically just re-package
history and give it back to us.
>I guess, that's what I like, It takes elements of Sci-Fi which appeal
>to me, Like Power(ed) armour (maybe that's like the werewolf thing, I
>mean, Who wouldn't want a suit of armour which makes you able to chuck
>tanks about like pebbles? very... empowering for the powerless I
>guess) Space and Space ships et al, But also with the elements I like
>from medevil history, Like Fedualism, Violence, Hypocrisy, An all
>powerful church.
>
<raises eyebrows> Oh yeah...you're much younger than me. I think your tastes
will change over time.
>Thus, Createing a bubbeling bastardised brew which appeals to me.
>
I've gotten more interested in real science and much less interested in fiction
over time.
<shrugs>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You can buy these alchold inhalre kits, So you can skiff it's
>>>>>>vaopous.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Why would I wanna do that?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>To damage your nose membranes?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I reiterate...why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It gets you drunker faster.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ah...Ive heard of people doing beer enemas & stuff. My GOD! but if you
>>>>>>need to get that drunk that fast you have big glossy issues.
>>>>>
>>>>>I tried drinking two "shots"of vodka, but while I noteiced a slight
>>>>>debetioation in my motor finctions, I didn't FEEL drunk. No fuzzy
>>>>>mental cotton wool.
>>>>>
>>>><shrugs> some people handle liquor better than others. You're too young
>>>>to be drinking btw.
>>>
>>>18 is the legal age here. 16 to have a glass of wine or beer with a
>>>meal.
>>>
>>U.K: we start our alkies off quick...thats dumb...your brain is still
>>developing until your 20.
>
>I'm sure if I tried to do something to prove how mature I was, I'd
>just prove how immature I was, And yet perhaps even thinking of domin
>something to prove how matture I am is immature?!?
>
Well no since you have obviously covered all bases & angles.
>Interesingly enough, The age of criminal resposibility here is about 9
>IIRC. You can be sent to jail for life for crimes commited at that
>age, And people have.
>
Not here. Nine is a bit young. 15-17 sounds more reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>>>Ignorence does not create a subtle mind!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It often masks one though :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How can an ingorant person be subtle?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>People mistake ignorance that has a bit of style layered on top for a
>>>>>>>>deep & subtle consciousness. Much like a fake zen master :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>HOw can you tell a fake one from a real one?
>>>>>>>Maybe that they DON'T tell you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Time will tell. You just have to invest the time to figure out whats
>>>>>>what. Some people seem ignant as hell at first but after getting to
>>>>know
>>>>>>them for a few weeks, months, years...you realise they are smart in
>>>>ways
>>>>>>you didnt realise.
>>>>>
>>>>>WEll, that's because people are smart about different things, A
>>>>>mechanic may not know much about literature, Art, polotics et al, but
>>>>>may know a lot about makeing stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>'zactly...so why'd you ask?
>>>
>>>Because people like the famliar, I'd talk wuth my friends, and go over
>>>essentialy the same grounds in conversation many times, And everyone
>>>was happy with that, Because it had little capability or chance to
>>>offend, make tensions et al.
>>>
>>Offending me takes real effort ;)
>
>Hmm, I like to throw puppies at windows?
>
Ah but I know you don't.
They were distracted by Angels ;) When I have to deal w/ those types I just nod
lots and smile & try to extract myself from the situation ASAP.
Nice price...here the "upgrade" costs 175$. And the full package is 250$.
Just get a Mac :)
>>>>>>>>>You can tickle carp.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Have you tickled carp? I've carped while being tickled...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've cought a fish, then I put it back in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Always ask it if its a Magic fish...then you'll get your three wishes.
>>>>>
>>>>>you need tweezers to get the hooks out of their soft mouth flesh.
>>>>>
>>>>Or one of them fish pliers...
>>>
>>>You get these special knives for removeing their scales.
>>>
>>Fillet knives? Theres a board that you put them on to descale them...
>
>My father has a samurai knife for gutting fish, It's sharpe enough to
>cut through very very thin sheets of metal!
>
GINSU! Is it the sepuku blade or the full samurai one?
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the Rotating Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>Dave the Rotating Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
><403b631d...@news.individual.net>:
>
>>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>>him.
>>
>>>Dave the Rotating Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>>><4039d67...@news.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
But they're not. That's the whole point. Unless of course, one is
"playing the part", for such purposes as there may be.
>>Some people to be betrayed, Some to do the beteaying, But most (will)
>>do a little of both I guess. Even me. though, That seems to imply that
>>I'm a special case, Which I'm not. But then... To ourselves, we are
>>special.
>>
>Right. Since I can't live your life nor you mine. So we feel,individually,
>perhaps that we are "special cases" and have suffered, achieved, etc more than
>the average. While its only a case of mis-perception.
>Hmmmmmmm...
MY PAIN IS ABSOLUTE AND YOURS IS MEANINGLESS!!!
The stuff I use gives of lots of vapours, It's 30% ionic Surfactents
and 15% non-ionic Surfactents IIRC. It smells nice though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Don't snow where the huskies go?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And watch out for that Nanook rubs it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>polay bear mints?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Bi-Polar bears now drink Coke.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://members.lycos.co.uk/eisenschwarz/hpbimg/Ds-%20Doaa.gif
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That looks like it has religious overtones...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Is that bi-polar enough?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Was that the cause of it!?!?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Certainly not. I'm in fine mental health. I just like the idea.
>>>>>>Techno-Fantasy, Steampunk, That kind of stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>"Steampunk"??? You better 'splain yourself Lucy...
>>>>
>>>>Well, Like Steam powered spaceships, Steam powered robots.
>>>>
>>>That would be unlikely.
>>
>>But a staple none the less.
>>
>It runs in the face of mechanical logic. Steam is very inneficient as a power
>source. Electrics & hydraulics are the way to go.
"Electricity formed the single most important form of transmissible
energy for a very long time, and still plays a role in the
Imperium.... The most significant advance in the field of electronics
was the development of Stacked Atomic Chains - or 'stacks'. Atoms
within a small piece of material are arranged in rows and patterns,
forming the basis for molecular level circuitry. Using this technique
miniaturisation reached its ultimate form - so that few devices have
to be any larger than necessitated by controls or aesthetics.."
Is what the Big Book of Warhammer 40K fluff says.
>>>>Computers with Runes put on them to "make them better", painting
>>>>vechiles red because it makes them go faster. That kind of thing.
>>>>
>>>Ahhhhhhhhh...techomagic...making sciene fiction appeal to the Lord of the
>Rings
>>>crowd. Heh...
>>
>>Acutally, That might be an interesting point. I'm awful at maths, and
>>I was only really interested in biology and history. Esp. medevil
>>history. So, I'm less likely to be interestined in "hard Sci-fi", and
>>more towards "fantasy".
>>
>>Now, The funnything is, Despite the fact that most fantasy is set in
>>more or less medevil times, It seems to exist in some kind of magic
>>land where all kings are noble.
>>
>>Most Techno-Fantasy universes are horrible places of unending
>>suffering, Brutal tyranny, Monsterous mutants, and moral ambiguity.
>>I.e True Feudalism.
>>
>Ive always found it interesting that writers will basically just re-package
>history and give it back to us.
Real history doesn't have psychic Liberians who make peoples head
explode.
Also, history can often somehow seem remote. If you're reading a
history book, and it's all "they did this, They did that, This
happend", it's a bit... Boring.
But if they try to get inside peoples heads, Form some kind of
narrative, It makes it easier to relate to and empathise with et al.
>>I guess, that's what I like, It takes elements of Sci-Fi which appeal
>>to me, Like Power(ed) armour (maybe that's like the werewolf thing, I
>>mean, Who wouldn't want a suit of armour which makes you able to chuck
>>tanks about like pebbles? very... empowering for the powerless I
>>guess) Space and Space ships et al, But also with the elements I like
>>from medevil history, Like Fedualism, Violence, Hypocrisy, An all
>>powerful church.
>>
><raises eyebrows> Oh yeah...you're much younger than me. I think your tastes
>will change over time.
I hope my musical tastes don't change, To date I've *INVESTED* more
than equiv to $1000 over 4 years in my C.D's.
>>Thus, Createing a bubbeling bastardised brew which appeals to me.
>>
>I've gotten more interested in real science and much less interested in fiction
>over time.
><shrugs>
Haveing an interest In science Fantasy does not preclude an interest
in Real Science. I have read all those Richard Dawlkinds books, Jared
diamond ones.
The 4th Chimpanzee, The Selfish Gene, Guns- Germs & Steel, The story
of phospherous, something about longitude and longitude, How some
peopel discovered japan.
But nothing really about physics.
But our brain doesn't fully grow until 20. so we cannot be held
responsible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Ignorence does not create a subtle mind!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>It often masks one though :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>How can an ingorant person be subtle?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>People mistake ignorance that has a bit of style layered on top for a
>>>>>>>>>deep & subtle consciousness. Much like a fake zen master :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>HOw can you tell a fake one from a real one?
>>>>>>>>Maybe that they DON'T tell you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Time will tell. You just have to invest the time to figure out whats
>>>>>>>what. Some people seem ignant as hell at first but after getting to
>>>>>know
>>>>>>>them for a few weeks, months, years...you realise they are smart in
>>>>>ways
>>>>>>>you didnt realise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>WEll, that's because people are smart about different things, A
>>>>>>mechanic may not know much about literature, Art, polotics et al, but
>>>>>>may know a lot about makeing stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>'zactly...so why'd you ask?
>>>>
>>>>Because people like the famliar, I'd talk wuth my friends, and go over
>>>>essentialy the same grounds in conversation many times, And everyone
>>>>was happy with that, Because it had little capability or chance to
>>>>offend, make tensions et al.
>>>>
>>>Offending me takes real effort ;)
>>
>>Hmm, I like to throw puppies at windows?
>>
>Ah but I know you don't.
I throw stones at cats which come to crap in the garden?
I used to try and bait them a bit. Esp. in relegious education.
>>>>>>>>Windows XP buijlt in firewall proctects me!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Somewhat. Upgrade to a real firewall and install these programs (g00gle
>>>>>>>for em) Xp-Anti Spy and SpyBot Search & Destroy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I already got both of them. I still get spyware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>You need to update Spybot once a month and run it on a regular
>>>>>basis...use the "Immunize" function as well.
>>>>
>>>>I do! But there's always at least one or two.
>>>>
>>>Every time you surf certain sites they install stealth crapware to get
>>>marketing info on you. M$ isn't all that secure you see...
>>
>>But it's all I have. andI paid £60 for it.
>>
>Nice price...here the "upgrade" costs 175$. And the full package is 250$.
>Just get a Mac :)
I've used it on all the computers in the house to save money. I'll use
it on my new laptop too.
>>>>>>>>>>You can tickle carp.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Have you tickled carp? I've carped while being tickled...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've cought a fish, then I put it back in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Always ask it if its a Magic fish...then you'll get your three wishes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>you need tweezers to get the hooks out of their soft mouth flesh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Or one of them fish pliers...
>>>>
>>>>You get these special knives for removeing their scales.
>>>>
>>>Fillet knives? Theres a board that you put them on to descale them...
>>
>>My father has a samurai knife for gutting fish, It's sharpe enough to
>>cut through very very thin sheets of metal!
>>
>GINSU! Is it the sepuku blade or the full samurai one?
Um... It's about 6 inches long.
--
Forget the power of technology, science and common humanity.
Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for there is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter
and the laughter of thirsting gods. But the universe is a big place and, whatever happens, you will not be missed.
§ńühwřŁf
>§ńühwřŁf <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>>>>
>>>>>I understand the full capabilites of human deceit in that I have read
>>>>>of it, and of the hypocrises of those in power et al.
>>>>>But do I need to expiernce it first hand to truly know?
>>>>>
>>>>I'm not saying that all kids, or even kids today are as gullible as I was.
>>>>Maybe parents had a different concept as to what to present to kids in
terms
>>of
>>>>what life is like back then. Maybe they thought you need to sheild kids
from
>>>>the "uglyness" that comprises much of human interactions?
>>>>Your parents must have had a different outlook I recon.
>>>
>>>I suppose, To a varying extent, We all have a road of deceit and
>>>betrayal to tread.
>>>
>>My point being that if one is "innocent" or downright gullible, one is better
>>prepared to deal with it.
>
>But they're not. That's the whole point. Unless of course, one is
>"playing the part", for such purposes as there may be.
>
I mis-typed. D'OH! I meant *less* prepared.
Ok...so I'm an idiot...
>>>Some people to be betrayed, Some to do the beteaying, But most (will)
>>>do a little of both I guess. Even me. though, That seems to imply that
>>>I'm a special case, Which I'm not. But then... To ourselves, we are
>>>special.
>>>
>>Right. Since I can't live your life nor you mine. So we feel,individually,
>>perhaps that we are "special cases" and have suffered, achieved, etc more
than
>>the average. While its only a case of mis-perception.
>>Hmmmmmmm...
>
>MY PAIN IS ABSOLUTE AND YOURS IS MEANINGLESS!!!
>
Well my pain is more real to me. That is a given.
BTW, why the posting frenzy?
<looks down at all teh new psots>
>>>>>
>>>>E-coli is all around...I got it from dirt on the floor of my truck after I
>>>>removed the seats...I ate some corn chips with dirty hands :(
>>>>Cleaning toilets will expose you to the worst of the worst though. All
sorts
>>of
>>>>things get transmitted via urine...feces...you will wind up with one tough
as
>>>>hell immune system. When I was a maid in a hotel, I got sick a lot at first
>>>>then my immune system caught up...
>>>
>>>Aye, when I first had the job, I was always getting upset stomachs and
>>>passing rancorous wind.
>>>
>>LOL! Heh sorry..."that which dosen't kill you..." will prolly give you cancer
>>;)
>
>The stuff I use gives of lots of vapours, It's 30% ionic Surfactents
>and 15% non-ionic Surfactents IIRC. It smells nice though.
>
Those things are fairly harmless. Sodium Larel Sulfate will cause dermatitus
and is implicated in being a cause of exema.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Steampunk"??? You better 'splain yourself Lucy...
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, Like Steam powered spaceships, Steam powered robots.
>>>>>
>>>>That would be unlikely.
>>>
>>>But a staple none the less.
>>>
>>It runs in the face of mechanical logic. Steam is very inneficient as a power
>>source. Electrics & hydraulics are the way to go.
>
>"Electricity formed the single most important form of transmissible
>energy for a very long time, and still plays a role in the
>Imperium.... The most significant advance in the field of electronics
>was the development of Stacked Atomic Chains - or 'stacks'. Atoms
>within a small piece of material are arranged in rows and patterns,
>forming the basis for molecular level circuitry. Using this technique
>miniaturisation reached its ultimate form - so that few devices have
>to be any larger than necessitated by controls or aesthetics.."
>
>Is what the Big Book of Warhammer 40K fluff says.
>
Interesting. I wonder what they think of nanotubules...
>>>>>Computers with Runes put on them to "make them better", painting
>>>>>vechiles red because it makes them go faster. That kind of thing.
>>>>>
>>>>Ahhhhhhhhh...techomagic...making sciene fiction appeal to the Lord of the
>>Rings
>>>>crowd. Heh...
>>>
>>>Acutally, That might be an interesting point. I'm awful at maths, and
>>>I was only really interested in biology and history. Esp. medevil
>>>history. So, I'm less likely to be interestined in "hard Sci-fi", and
>>>more towards "fantasy".
>>>
>>>Now, The funnything is, Despite the fact that most fantasy is set in
>>>more or less medevil times, It seems to exist in some kind of magic
>>>land where all kings are noble.
>>>
>>>Most Techno-Fantasy universes are horrible places of unending
>>>suffering, Brutal tyranny, Monsterous mutants, and moral ambiguity.
>>>I.e True Feudalism.
>>>
>>Ive always found it interesting that writers will basically just re-package
>>history and give it back to us.
>
>Real history doesn't have psychic Liberians who make peoples head
>explode.
>
Well obviously...but they had guillotines!
>Also, history can often somehow seem remote. If you're reading a
>history book, and it's all "they did this, They did that, This
>happend", it's a bit... Boring.
>
>But if they try to get inside peoples heads, Form some kind of
>narrative, It makes it easier to relate to and empathise with et al.
>
True. Thus the popularity of movies with a historical theme.
>>>I guess, that's what I like, It takes elements of Sci-Fi which appeal
>>>to me, Like Power(ed) armour (maybe that's like the werewolf thing, I
>>>mean, Who wouldn't want a suit of armour which makes you able to chuck
>>>tanks about like pebbles? very... empowering for the powerless I
>>>guess) Space and Space ships et al, But also with the elements I like
>>>from medevil history, Like Fedualism, Violence, Hypocrisy, An all
>>>powerful church.
>>>
>><raises eyebrows> Oh yeah...you're much younger than me. I think your tastes
>>will change over time.
>
>I hope my musical tastes don't change, To date I've *INVESTED* more
>than equiv to $1000 over 4 years in my C.D's.
>
o_0 Wow...ever hear of Limewire? Kazaa? Imusic?
>>>Thus, Createing a bubbeling bastardised brew which appeals to me.
>>>
>>I've gotten more interested in real science and much less interested in
fiction
>>over time.
>><shrugs>
>
>Haveing an interest In science Fantasy does not preclude an interest
>in Real Science. I have read all those Richard Dawlkinds books, Jared
>diamond ones.
>
Then you're way ahead of me :)
>The 4th Chimpanzee, The Selfish Gene, Guns- Germs & Steel, The story
>of phospherous, something about longitude and longitude, How some
>peopel discovered japan.
>
>But nothing really about physics.
>
Hmmmmm...I'll look for a easy reader on physics for you.
Popular Science has an article on 10 dimentional string theory...
>>>Interesingly enough, The age of criminal resposibility here is about 9
>>>IIRC. You can be sent to jail for life for crimes commited at that
>>>age, And people have.
>>>
>>Not here. Nine is a bit young. 15-17 sounds more reasonable.
>
>But our brain doesn't fully grow until 20. so we cannot be held
>responsible.
>
You can grasp the basic concepts by 15 though right?
>>>>>>>WEll, that's because people are smart about different things, A
>>>>>>>mechanic may not know much about literature, Art, polotics et al, but
>>>>>>>may know a lot about makeing stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>'zactly...so why'd you ask?
>>>>>
>>>>>Because people like the famliar, I'd talk wuth my friends, and go over
>>>>>essentialy the same grounds in conversation many times, And everyone
>>>>>was happy with that, Because it had little capability or chance to
>>>>>offend, make tensions et al.
>>>>>
>>>>Offending me takes real effort ;)
>>>
>>>Hmm, I like to throw puppies at windows?
>>>
>>Ah but I know you don't.
>
>I throw stones at cats which come to crap in the garden?
>
Well its not nice but it dosent "offend" me. I'd say use a hose & squirt them
instead :)
>>>>>IIRC, they beat up little children to make the devil go away.
>>>>>
>>>>Oh...zealots & inbred gits...they have snake charmers here in the south
that
>>>>"prove their faith" by handling poisonous snakes.
>>>>Child abuse as a religious freedom...hmmmmmmm...
>>>
>>>I know someone who was relegios at school, And they were always a bit
>>>"glazed eyes" funny to interact with.
>>>
>>They were distracted by Angels ;) When I have to deal w/ those types I just
nod
>>lots and smile & try to extract myself from the situation ASAP.
>
>I used to try and bait them a bit. Esp. in relegious education.
>
If you know more than they do you can make them look ignorant...but I dont feel
the need to convert people in an area that has little effect on my being. Wanna
argue politics? Well theres another issue entirely...
>>>>Every time you surf certain sites they install stealth crapware to get
>>>>marketing info on you. M$ isn't all that secure you see...
>>>
>>>But it's all I have. andI paid Ł60 for it.
>>>
>>Nice price...here the "upgrade" costs 175$. And the full package is 250$.
>>Just get a Mac :)
>
>I've used it on all the computers in the house to save money. I'll use
>it on my new laptop too.
>
You horrid person! You just violated the EULA!!!
M$ cops to arrive soon...
>>>>>>>>>>>You can tickle carp.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Have you tickled carp? I've carped while being tickled...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I've cought a fish, then I put it back in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Always ask it if its a Magic fish...then you'll get your three wishes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>you need tweezers to get the hooks out of their soft mouth flesh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Or one of them fish pliers...
>>>>>
>>>>>You get these special knives for removeing their scales.
>>>>>
>>>>Fillet knives? Theres a board that you put them on to descale them...
>>>
>>>My father has a samurai knife for gutting fish, It's sharpe enough to
>>>cut through very very thin sheets of metal!
>>>
>>GINSU! Is it the sepuku blade or the full samurai one?
>
>Um... It's about 6 inches long.
>
I think the "suicide" blade is at least 12-14 inches...
King Lao Tzu II
Dave the Rotating Hyena
Many people make mistakes. But perhaps the only way to educate, is
through sad reality.
>>>>Some people to be betrayed, Some to do the beteaying, But most (will)
>>>>do a little of both I guess. Even me. though, That seems to imply that
>>>>I'm a special case, Which I'm not. But then... To ourselves, we are
>>>>special.
>>>>
>>>Right. Since I can't live your life nor you mine. So we feel,individually,
>>>perhaps that we are "special cases" and have suffered, achieved, etc more
>than
>>>the average. While its only a case of mis-perception.
>>>Hmmmmmmm...
>>
>>MY PAIN IS ABSOLUTE AND YOURS IS MEANINGLESS!!!
>>
>Well my pain is more real to me. That is a given.
>BTW, why the posting frenzy?
><looks down at all teh new psots>
I wanted to make a difference to peoples lives, I felt that you should
all share in my wisdom. egotism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>E-coli is all around...I got it from dirt on the floor of my truck after I
>>>>>removed the seats...I ate some corn chips with dirty hands :(
>>>>>Cleaning toilets will expose you to the worst of the worst though. All
>sorts
>>>of
>>>>>things get transmitted via urine...feces...you will wind up with one tough
>as
>>>>>hell immune system. When I was a maid in a hotel, I got sick a lot at first
>>>>>then my immune system caught up...
>>>>
>>>>Aye, when I first had the job, I was always getting upset stomachs and
>>>>passing rancorous wind.
>>>>
>>>LOL! Heh sorry..."that which dosen't kill you..." will prolly give you cancer
>>>;)
>>
>>The stuff I use gives of lots of vapours, It's 30% ionic Surfactents
>>and 15% non-ionic Surfactents IIRC. It smells nice though.
>>
>Those things are fairly harmless. Sodium Larel Sulfate will cause dermatitus
>and is implicated in being a cause of exema.
I squirted some Phosphoric acid base cleaner up my nose.
It itched.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Steampunk"??? You better 'splain yourself Lucy...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, Like Steam powered spaceships, Steam powered robots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>That would be unlikely.
>>>>
>>>>But a staple none the less.
>>>>
>>>It runs in the face of mechanical logic. Steam is very inneficient as a power
>>>source. Electrics & hydraulics are the way to go.
>>
>>"Electricity formed the single most important form of transmissible
>>energy for a very long time, and still plays a role in the
>>Imperium.... The most significant advance in the field of electronics
>>was the development of Stacked Atomic Chains - or 'stacks'. Atoms
>>within a small piece of material are arranged in rows and patterns,
>>forming the basis for molecular level circuitry. Using this technique
>>miniaturisation reached its ultimate form - so that few devices have
>>to be any larger than necessitated by controls or aesthetics.."
>>
>>Is what the Big Book of Warhammer 40K fluff says.
>>
>Interesting. I wonder what they think of nanotubules...
They call them Hydroplastics IIRC:
"Hydroplastics transmit power directly by pressure, or activate other
systems by the same means. Hydroplastic lines of a suitably small bore
are highly efficient, yet technically simple, means of powering a
system. Bore diameters are on the molecular level. Hydroplastic
actuators (small motors which transmit energy into physical movement)
are perhaps the most common type."
>>>>>>Computers with Runes put on them to "make them better", painting
>>>>>>vechiles red because it makes them go faster. That kind of thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Ahhhhhhhhh...techomagic...making sciene fiction appeal to the Lord of the
>>>Rings
>>>>>crowd. Heh...
>>>>
>>>>Acutally, That might be an interesting point. I'm awful at maths, and
>>>>I was only really interested in biology and history. Esp. medevil
>>>>history. So, I'm less likely to be interestined in "hard Sci-fi", and
>>>>more towards "fantasy".
>>>>
>>>>Now, The funnything is, Despite the fact that most fantasy is set in
>>>>more or less medevil times, It seems to exist in some kind of magic
>>>>land where all kings are noble.
>>>>
>>>>Most Techno-Fantasy universes are horrible places of unending
>>>>suffering, Brutal tyranny, Monsterous mutants, and moral ambiguity.
>>>>I.e True Feudalism.
>>>>
>>>Ive always found it interesting that writers will basically just re-package
>>>history and give it back to us.
>>
>>Real history doesn't have psychic Liberians who make peoples head
>>explode.
>>
>Well obviously...but they had guillotines!
They had a special one in Scotland, It was operated by the whole
village crowd pulling on it, so if you thought the person was
innocent, you could not pull, If so, All heave together now!
>>Also, history can often somehow seem remote. If you're reading a
>>history book, and it's all "they did this, They did that, This
>>happend", it's a bit... Boring.
>>
>>But if they try to get inside peoples heads, Form some kind of
>>narrative, It makes it easier to relate to and empathise with et al.
>>
>True. Thus the popularity of movies with a historical theme.
But LOTR has no basis in history, It's just pure fantasy. NO!
I had a free ticket to the third one, but I kept on nodding off.
>>>>I guess, that's what I like, It takes elements of Sci-Fi which appeal
>>>>to me, Like Power(ed) armour (maybe that's like the werewolf thing, I
>>>>mean, Who wouldn't want a suit of armour which makes you able to chuck
>>>>tanks about like pebbles? very... empowering for the powerless I
>>>>guess) Space and Space ships et al, But also with the elements I like
>>>>from medevil history, Like Fedualism, Violence, Hypocrisy, An all
>>>>powerful church.
>>>>
>>><raises eyebrows> Oh yeah...you're much younger than me. I think your tastes
>>>will change over time.
>>
>>I hope my musical tastes don't change, To date I've *INVESTED* more
>>than equiv to $1000 over 4 years in my C.D's.
>>
>o_0 Wow...ever hear of Limewire? Kazaa? Imusic?
Yes, I use them to gather samples, then I can buy the CD's If I like
em'.
It's ok to download mP3s from bands like metalica, But much of what I
listen to is rather obscure european heavy metal bands who have day
jobs and don't earn huge amounts out of it.
WOULD YOU DEPREIVE THEM AND THEIR LABELS OF CASH!?!?!
>>>>Thus, Createing a bubbeling bastardised brew which appeals to me.
>>>>
>>>I've gotten more interested in real science and much less interested in
>fiction
>>>over time.
>>><shrugs>
>>
>>Haveing an interest In science Fantasy does not preclude an interest
>>in Real Science. I have read all those Richard Dawlkinds books, Jared
>>diamond ones.
>>
>Then you're way ahead of me :)
>
>>The 4th Chimpanzee, The Selfish Gene, Guns- Germs & Steel, The story
>>of phospherous, something about longitude and longitude, How some
>>peopel discovered japan.
>>
>>But nothing really about physics.
>>
>Hmmmmm...I'll look for a easy reader on physics for you.
>Popular Science has an article on 10 dimentional string theory...
What if it raises uncomftable things that don;'t fit into my vision of
how the world should be?
I fear the new knowledge!
>>>>Interesingly enough, The age of criminal resposibility here is about 9
>>>>IIRC. You can be sent to jail for life for crimes commited at that
>>>>age, And people have.
>>>>
>>>Not here. Nine is a bit young. 15-17 sounds more reasonable.
>>
>>But our brain doesn't fully grow until 20. so we cannot be held
>>responsible.
>>
>You can grasp the basic concepts by 15 though right?
But when you see that the biggest criminals are not called criminals,
insteadc called "buinsessmen", a certain amount of confusion is
inevitable.
>>>>>>>>WEll, that's because people are smart about different things, A
>>>>>>>>mechanic may not know much about literature, Art, polotics et al, but
>>>>>>>>may know a lot about makeing stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>'zactly...so why'd you ask?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Because people like the famliar, I'd talk wuth my friends, and go over
>>>>>>essentialy the same grounds in conversation many times, And everyone
>>>>>>was happy with that, Because it had little capability or chance to
>>>>>>offend, make tensions et al.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Offending me takes real effort ;)
>>>>
>>>>Hmm, I like to throw puppies at windows?
>>>>
>>>Ah but I know you don't.
>>
>>I throw stones at cats which come to crap in the garden?
>>
>Well its not nice but it dosent "offend" me. I'd say use a hose & squirt them
>instead :)
What is the "b" word?
>>>>>>IIRC, they beat up little children to make the devil go away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Oh...zealots & inbred gits...they have snake charmers here in the south
>that
>>>>>"prove their faith" by handling poisonous snakes.
>>>>>Child abuse as a religious freedom...hmmmmmmm...
>>>>
>>>>I know someone who was relegios at school, And they were always a bit
>>>>"glazed eyes" funny to interact with.
>>>>
>>>They were distracted by Angels ;) When I have to deal w/ those types I just
>nod
>>>lots and smile & try to extract myself from the situation ASAP.
>>
>>I used to try and bait them a bit. Esp. in relegious education.
>>
>If you know more than they do you can make them look ignorant...but I dont feel
>the need to convert people in an area that has little effect on my being. Wanna
>argue politics? Well theres another issue entirely...
The funny thing is, Is britian, the law says that you must have
prayers in schools and teach Relegois education.
Yet britian is very unrelegios, and america which mandates sepration
of church and state is not.
I bet being tought in school turns people off it.
>>>>>Every time you surf certain sites they install stealth crapware to get
>>>>>marketing info on you. M$ isn't all that secure you see...
>>>>
>>>>But it's all I have. andI paid Ł60 for it.
>>>>
>>>Nice price...here the "upgrade" costs 175$. And the full package is 250$.
>>>Just get a Mac :)
>>
>>I've used it on all the computers in the house to save money. I'll use
>>it on my new laptop too.
>>
>You horrid person! You just violated the EULA!!!
>M$ cops to arrive soon...
I think it takes a snapshot of your HD when you register it...
>>>>>>>>>>>>You can tickle carp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Have you tickled carp? I've carped while being tickled...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I've cought a fish, then I put it back in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Always ask it if its a Magic fish...then you'll get your three wishes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>you need tweezers to get the hooks out of their soft mouth flesh.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Or one of them fish pliers...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You get these special knives for removeing their scales.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Fillet knives? Theres a board that you put them on to descale them...
>>>>
>>>>My father has a samurai knife for gutting fish, It's sharpe enough to
>>>>cut through very very thin sheets of metal!
>>>>
>>>GINSU! Is it the sepuku blade or the full samurai one?
>>
>>Um... It's about 6 inches long.
>>
>I think the "suicide" blade is at least 12-14 inches...
They cheated anyway, They had a second to cut their head off for them.
but who cut off his head eh?
--
§ńühwřŁf
For the dumber ones...the smart ones just have to *see* their herd members
being eaten to know its something to avoid.
>>>>>Some people to be betrayed, Some to do the beteaying, But most (will)
>>>>>do a little of both I guess. Even me. though, That seems to imply that
>>>>>I'm a special case, Which I'm not. But then... To ourselves, we are
>>>>>special.
>>>>>
>>>>Right. Since I can't live your life nor you mine. So we feel,individually,
>>>>perhaps that we are "special cases" and have suffered, achieved, etc more
>>than
>>>>the average. While its only a case of mis-perception.
>>>>Hmmmmmmm...
>>>
>>>MY PAIN IS ABSOLUTE AND YOURS IS MEANINGLESS!!!
>>>
>>Well my pain is more real to me. That is a given.
>>BTW, why the posting frenzy?
>><looks down at all teh new psots>
>
>I wanted to make a difference to peoples lives, I felt that you should
>all share in my wisdom. egotism.
>
<adjusts sun block accordingly>
You and Ralph Nader?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>E-coli is all around...I got it from dirt on the floor of my truck after
I
>>>>>>removed the seats...I ate some corn chips with dirty hands :(
>>>>>>Cleaning toilets will expose you to the worst of the worst though. All
>>sorts
>>>>of
>>>>>>things get transmitted via urine...feces...you will wind up with one
tough
>>as
>>>>>>hell immune system. When I was a maid in a hotel, I got sick a lot at
first
>>>>>>then my immune system caught up...
>>>>>
>>>>>Aye, when I first had the job, I was always getting upset stomachs and
>>>>>passing rancorous wind.
>>>>>
>>>>LOL! Heh sorry..."that which dosen't kill you..." will prolly give you
cancer
>>>>;)
>>>
>>>The stuff I use gives of lots of vapours, It's 30% ionic Surfactents
>>>and 15% non-ionic Surfactents IIRC. It smells nice though.
>>>
>>Those things are fairly harmless. Sodium Larel Sulfate will cause dermatitus
>>and is implicated in being a cause of exema.
>
>I squirted some Phosphoric acid base cleaner up my nose.
>It itched.
>
WTF!? Accidently or are you experimenting? I read that now kids are playing
with some new plant called Salvia somthingorother...it makes you "high" for ten
minutes then nausea ensues...sounds lovely.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Steampunk"??? You better 'splain yourself Lucy...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, Like Steam powered spaceships, Steam powered robots.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>That would be unlikely.
>>>>>
>>>>>But a staple none the less.
>>>>>
>>>>It runs in the face of mechanical logic. Steam is very inneficient as a
power
>>>>source. Electrics & hydraulics are the way to go.
>>>
>>>"Electricity formed the single most important form of transmissible
>>>energy for a very long time, and still plays a role in the
>>>Imperium.... The most significant advance in the field of electronics
>>>was the development of Stacked Atomic Chains - or 'stacks'. Atoms
>>>within a small piece of material are arranged in rows and patterns,
>>>forming the basis for molecular level circuitry. Using this technique
>>>miniaturisation reached its ultimate form - so that few devices have
>>>to be any larger than necessitated by controls or aesthetics.."
>>>
>>>Is what the Big Book of Warhammer 40K fluff says.
>>>
>>Interesting. I wonder what they think of nanotubules...
>
>They call them Hydroplastics IIRC:
>
>"Hydroplastics transmit power directly by pressure, or activate other
>systems by the same means. Hydroplastic lines of a suitably small bore
>are highly efficient, yet technically simple, means of powering a
>system. Bore diameters are on the molecular level. Hydroplastic
>actuators (small motors which transmit energy into physical movement)
>are perhaps the most common type."
>
<nods head as if he understands>
Hmmmmmmm...yeah, those are really neat...
>>>>>>>Computers with Runes put on them to "make them better", painting
>>>>>>>vechiles red because it makes them go faster. That kind of thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ahhhhhhhhh...techomagic...making sciene fiction appeal to the Lord of the
>>>>Rings
>>>>>>crowd. Heh...
>>>>>
>>>>>Acutally, That might be an interesting point. I'm awful at maths, and
>>>>>I was only really interested in biology and history. Esp. medevil
>>>>>history. So, I'm less likely to be interestined in "hard Sci-fi", and
>>>>>more towards "fantasy".
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, The funnything is, Despite the fact that most fantasy is set in
>>>>>more or less medevil times, It seems to exist in some kind of magic
>>>>>land where all kings are noble.
>>>>>
>>>>>Most Techno-Fantasy universes are horrible places of unending
>>>>>suffering, Brutal tyranny, Monsterous mutants, and moral ambiguity.
>>>>>I.e True Feudalism.
>>>>>
>>>>Ive always found it interesting that writers will basically just re-package
>>>>history and give it back to us.
>>>
>>>Real history doesn't have psychic Liberians who make peoples head
>>>explode.
>>>
>>Well obviously...but they had guillotines!
>
>They had a special one in Scotland, It was operated by the whole
>village crowd pulling on it, so if you thought the person was
>innocent, you could not pull, If so, All heave together now!
>
The middle east was still in the "stone age"...get it?
>>>Also, history can often somehow seem remote. If you're reading a
>>>history book, and it's all "they did this, They did that, This
>>>happend", it's a bit... Boring.
>>>
>>>But if they try to get inside peoples heads, Form some kind of
>>>narrative, It makes it easier to relate to and empathise with et al.
>>>
>>True. Thus the popularity of movies with a historical theme.
>
>But LOTR has no basis in history, It's just pure fantasy. NO!
>I had a free ticket to the third one, but I kept on nodding off.
>
I did with the first one...it was on DVD...
<yawns>
Buh buh buh ooooooooring!
>>>>>I guess, that's what I like, It takes elements of Sci-Fi which appeal
>>>>>to me, Like Power(ed) armour (maybe that's like the werewolf thing, I
>>>>>mean, Who wouldn't want a suit of armour which makes you able to chuck
>>>>>tanks about like pebbles? very... empowering for the powerless I
>>>>>guess) Space and Space ships et al, But also with the elements I like
>>>>>from medevil history, Like Fedualism, Violence, Hypocrisy, An all
>>>>>powerful church.
>>>>>
>>>><raises eyebrows> Oh yeah...you're much younger than me. I think your
tastes
>>>>will change over time.
>>>
>>>I hope my musical tastes don't change, To date I've *INVESTED* more
>>>than equiv to $1000 over 4 years in my C.D's.
>>>
>>o_0 Wow...ever hear of Limewire? Kazaa? Imusic?
>
>Yes, I use them to gather samples, then I can buy the CD's If I like
>em'.
>
>It's ok to download mP3s from bands like metalica,
LOL!
>But much of what I
>listen to is rather obscure european heavy metal bands who have day
>jobs and don't earn huge amounts out of it.
>
>WOULD YOU DEPREIVE THEM AND THEIR LABELS OF CASH!?!?!
>
Of course not. My friend has the limewire you see so I dont do that sort of
thing :)
>>>>>Thus, Createing a bubbeling bastardised brew which appeals to me.
>>>>>
>>>>I've gotten more interested in real science and much less interested in
>>fiction
>>>>over time.
>>>><shrugs>
>>>
>>>Haveing an interest In science Fantasy does not preclude an interest
>>>in Real Science. I have read all those Richard Dawlkinds books, Jared
>>>diamond ones.
>>>
>>Then you're way ahead of me :)
>>
>>>The 4th Chimpanzee, The Selfish Gene, Guns- Germs & Steel, The story
>>>of phospherous, something about longitude and longitude, How some
>>>peopel discovered japan.
>>>
>>>But nothing really about physics.
>>>
>>Hmmmmm...I'll look for a easy reader on physics for you.
>>Popular Science has an article on 10 dimentional string theory...
>
>What if it raises uncomftable things that don;'t fit into my vision of
>how the world should be?
>
If you can grasp it, you r00l! It made my head hurty :(
>I fear the new knowledge!
>
I fear...being beat up by angry hoards...
>>>>>Interesingly enough, The age of criminal resposibility here is about 9
>>>>>IIRC. You can be sent to jail for life for crimes commited at that
>>>>>age, And people have.
>>>>>
>>>>Not here. Nine is a bit young. 15-17 sounds more reasonable.
>>>
>>>But our brain doesn't fully grow until 20. so we cannot be held
>>>responsible.
>>>
>>You can grasp the basic concepts by 15 though right?
>
>But when you see that the biggest criminals are not called criminals,
>insteadc called "buinsessmen", a certain amount of confusion is
>inevitable.
>
Well thats a nice segue into another rant about socialism...but still...theres
Child Psychology to consider...developmental psychology is very big these
days...
>>>>>>>>>WEll, that's because people are smart about different things, A
>>>>>>>>>mechanic may not know much about literature, Art, polotics et al, but
>>>>>>>>>may know a lot about makeing stuff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>'zactly...so why'd you ask?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Because people like the famliar, I'd talk wuth my friends, and go over
>>>>>>>essentialy the same grounds in conversation many times, And everyone
>>>>>>>was happy with that, Because it had little capability or chance to
>>>>>>>offend, make tensions et al.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Offending me takes real effort ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>Hmm, I like to throw puppies at windows?
>>>>>
>>>>Ah but I know you don't.
>>>
>>>I throw stones at cats which come to crap in the garden?
>>>
>>Well its not nice but it dosent "offend" me. I'd say use a hose & squirt them
>>instead :)
>
>What is the "b" word?
>
B-yatch? Buh?
>>>>>>>IIRC, they beat up little children to make the devil go away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Oh...zealots & inbred gits...they have snake charmers here in the south
>>that
>>>>>>"prove their faith" by handling poisonous snakes.
>>>>>>Child abuse as a religious freedom...hmmmmmmm...
>>>>>
>>>>>I know someone who was relegios at school, And they were always a bit
>>>>>"glazed eyes" funny to interact with.
>>>>>
>>>>They were distracted by Angels ;) When I have to deal w/ those types I just
>>nod
>>>>lots and smile & try to extract myself from the situation ASAP.
>>>
>>>I used to try and bait them a bit. Esp. in relegious education.
>>>
>>If you know more than they do you can make them look ignorant...but I dont
feel
>>the need to convert people in an area that has little effect on my being.
Wanna
>>argue politics? Well theres another issue entirely...
>
>The funny thing is, Is britian, the law says that you must have
>prayers in schools and teach Relegois education.
>
EEEEEWWWWWW!
>Yet britian is very unrelegios, and america which mandates sepration
>of church and state is not.
>
Ironic innit?
>I bet being tought in school turns people off it.
>
Ahhhhh...thats very subltle and devious! I LIKE IT!
>>>>>>Every time you surf certain sites they install stealth crapware to get
>>>>>>marketing info on you. M$ isn't all that secure you see...
>>>>>
>>>>>But it's all I have. andI paid Ł60 for it.
>>>>>
>>>>Nice price...here the "upgrade" costs 175$. And the full package is 250$.
>>>>Just get a Mac :)
>>>
>>>I've used it on all the computers in the house to save money. I'll use
>>>it on my new laptop too.
>>>
>>You horrid person! You just violated the EULA!!!
>>M$ cops to arrive soon...
>
>I think it takes a snapshot of your HD when you register it...
>
It looks for partitions that arn't regular dos type ones...so if you have linux
on your drive...it won't work. M$ wants to have TOTAL CONTROL of your 'puter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You get these special knives for removeing their scales.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fillet knives? Theres a board that you put them on to descale them...
>>>>>
>>>>>My father has a samurai knife for gutting fish, It's sharpe enough to
>>>>>cut through very very thin sheets of metal!
>>>>>
>>>>GINSU! Is it the sepuku blade or the full samurai one?
>>>
>>>Um... It's about 6 inches long.
>>>
>>I think the "suicide" blade is at least 12-14 inches...
>
>They cheated anyway, They had a second to cut their head off for them.
>
>but who cut off his head eh?
>
Their next of kin?
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the Rotating Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>Dave the Rotating Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
><403f6772...@news.individual.net>:
>
>>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>>him.
>>
>>>Dave the Rotating Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>>><403dd5a...@news.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
But to change it?
>>>>>>Some people to be betrayed, Some to do the beteaying, But most (will)
>>>>>>do a little of both I guess. Even me. though, That seems to imply that
>>>>>>I'm a special case, Which I'm not. But then... To ourselves, we are
>>>>>>special.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Right. Since I can't live your life nor you mine. So we feel,individually,
>>>>>perhaps that we are "special cases" and have suffered, achieved, etc more
>>>than
>>>>>the average. While its only a case of mis-perception.
>>>>>Hmmmmmmm...
>>>>
>>>>MY PAIN IS ABSOLUTE AND YOURS IS MEANINGLESS!!!
>>>>
>>>Well my pain is more real to me. That is a given.
>>>BTW, why the posting frenzy?
>>><looks down at all teh new psots>
>>
>>I wanted to make a difference to peoples lives, I felt that you should
>>all share in my wisdom. egotism.
>>
><adjusts sun block accordingly>
>You and Ralph Nader?
The newspapers here all accoused ralph nader of being a "wrecker" and
said that he should not run.
But that it is antidemratic, In theory anyone who is eliglbe can run
if they want to.
These people just want to reinforce the two party monopoly.
Um... It was from a squirty bottle of toilet cleaner, The nozzle was
blocked or something and I was peering down it and sqeeuzeing, I guess
i'm just lucky none went in my eyes.
Did you know that The temperature inside the engine room of the
Moniter (one of the Unions first ironclad battle ships) reached 172
degrees in summer?
Also, if the ships were hit in the boilers, they'd spray boiling steam
out all over the ship.
In once scence, There was this guy rideing a giant Hyena!
Then in the very next shot, he was walking, And the hyena had
vanished.
I was confused.
>>>>>>I guess, that's what I like, It takes elements of Sci-Fi which appeal
>>>>>>to me, Like Power(ed) armour (maybe that's like the werewolf thing, I
>>>>>>mean, Who wouldn't want a suit of armour which makes you able to chuck
>>>>>>tanks about like pebbles? very... empowering for the powerless I
>>>>>>guess) Space and Space ships et al, But also with the elements I like
>>>>>>from medevil history, Like Fedualism, Violence, Hypocrisy, An all
>>>>>>powerful church.
>>>>>>
>>>>><raises eyebrows> Oh yeah...you're much younger than me. I think your
>tastes
>>>>>will change over time.
>>>>
>>>>I hope my musical tastes don't change, To date I've *INVESTED* more
>>>>than equiv to $1000 over 4 years in my C.D's.
>>>>
>>>o_0 Wow...ever hear of Limewire? Kazaa? Imusic?
>>
>>Yes, I use them to gather samples, then I can buy the CD's If I like
>>em'.
>>
>>It's ok to download mP3s from bands like metalica,
>
>LOL!
>
>>But much of what I
>>listen to is rather obscure european heavy metal bands who have day
>>jobs and don't earn huge amounts out of it.
>>
>>WOULD YOU DEPREIVE THEM AND THEIR LABELS OF CASH!?!?!
>>
>Of course not. My friend has the limewire you see so I dont do that sort of
>thing :)
I was listening to a band called "Axehammer", they opened with Slayer
once. Slayer... well, You know them I'm sure, But axehammer...
Vanished.
>>>>>>Thus, Createing a bubbeling bastardised brew which appeals to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I've gotten more interested in real science and much less interested in
>>>fiction
>>>>>over time.
>>>>><shrugs>
>>>>
>>>>Haveing an interest In science Fantasy does not preclude an interest
>>>>in Real Science. I have read all those Richard Dawlkinds books, Jared
>>>>diamond ones.
>>>>
>>>Then you're way ahead of me :)
>>>
>>>>The 4th Chimpanzee, The Selfish Gene, Guns- Germs & Steel, The story
>>>>of phospherous, something about longitude and longitude, How some
>>>>peopel discovered japan.
>>>>
>>>>But nothing really about physics.
>>>>
>>>Hmmmmm...I'll look for a easy reader on physics for you.
>>>Popular Science has an article on 10 dimentional string theory...
>>
>>What if it raises uncomftable things that don;'t fit into my vision of
>>how the world should be?
>>
>If you can grasp it, you r00l! It made my head hurty :(
Well I can't understand anythibg to do with these thing, IT's like,
Yes, But no, But yes but no.
>>I fear the new knowledge!
>>
>I fear...being beat up by angry hoards...
Of rightous citizenry?
>>>>>>Interesingly enough, The age of criminal resposibility here is about 9
>>>>>>IIRC. You can be sent to jail for life for crimes commited at that
>>>>>>age, And people have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Not here. Nine is a bit young. 15-17 sounds more reasonable.
>>>>
>>>>But our brain doesn't fully grow until 20. so we cannot be held
>>>>responsible.
>>>>
>>>You can grasp the basic concepts by 15 though right?
>>
>>But when you see that the biggest criminals are not called criminals,
>>insteadc called "buinsessmen", a certain amount of confusion is
>>inevitable.
>>
>Well thats a nice segue into another rant about socialism...but still...theres
>Child Psychology to consider...developmental psychology is very big these
>days...
But it's mostly like a dead end.
>>>>>>>>>>WEll, that's because people are smart about different things, A
>>>>>>>>>>mechanic may not know much about literature, Art, polotics et al, but
>>>>>>>>>>may know a lot about makeing stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>'zactly...so why'd you ask?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Because people like the famliar, I'd talk wuth my friends, and go over
>>>>>>>>essentialy the same grounds in conversation many times, And everyone
>>>>>>>>was happy with that, Because it had little capability or chance to
>>>>>>>>offend, make tensions et al.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Offending me takes real effort ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hmm, I like to throw puppies at windows?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Ah but I know you don't.
>>>>
>>>>I throw stones at cats which come to crap in the garden?
>>>>
>>>Well its not nice but it dosent "offend" me. I'd say use a hose & squirt them
>>>instead :)
>>
>>What is the "b" word?
>>
>B-yatch? Buh?
Maybe Bitch. I'm not sure.
>>>>>>>>IIRC, they beat up little children to make the devil go away.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Oh...zealots & inbred gits...they have snake charmers here in the south
>>>that
>>>>>>>"prove their faith" by handling poisonous snakes.
>>>>>>>Child abuse as a religious freedom...hmmmmmmm...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I know someone who was relegios at school, And they were always a bit
>>>>>>"glazed eyes" funny to interact with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>They were distracted by Angels ;) When I have to deal w/ those types I just
>>>nod
>>>>>lots and smile & try to extract myself from the situation ASAP.
>>>>
>>>>I used to try and bait them a bit. Esp. in relegious education.
>>>>
>>>If you know more than they do you can make them look ignorant...but I dont
>feel
>>>the need to convert people in an area that has little effect on my being.
>Wanna
>>>argue politics? Well theres another issue entirely...
>>
>>The funny thing is, Is britian, the law says that you must have
>>prayers in schools and teach Relegois education.
>>
>EEEEEWWWWWW!
>
>>Yet britian is very unrelegios, and america which mandates sepration
>>of church and state is not.
>>
>Ironic innit?
>
>>I bet being tought in school turns people off it.
>>
>Ahhhhh...thats very subltle and devious! I LIKE IT!
Well, They used to tell me to go and "study in the libary" when I
asked questions like "how do you know that this god is more valid than
any other god?"
>>>>>>>Every time you surf certain sites they install stealth crapware to get
>>>>>>>marketing info on you. M$ isn't all that secure you see...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But it's all I have. andI paid £60 for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Nice price...here the "upgrade" costs 175$. And the full package is 250$.
>>>>>Just get a Mac :)
>>>>
>>>>I've used it on all the computers in the house to save money. I'll use
>>>>it on my new laptop too.
>>>>
>>>You horrid person! You just violated the EULA!!!
>>>M$ cops to arrive soon...
>>
>>I think it takes a snapshot of your HD when you register it...
>>
>It looks for partitions that arn't regular dos type ones...so if you have linux
>on your drive...it won't work. M$ wants to have TOTAL CONTROL of your 'puter.
Really? It won't work?
I have a linux partition on my HD, But Windows XP works Okay, But I
instralled linux after windows XP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You get these special knives for removeing their scales.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Fillet knives? Theres a board that you put them on to descale them...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My father has a samurai knife for gutting fish, It's sharpe enough to
>>>>>>cut through very very thin sheets of metal!
>>>>>>
>>>>>GINSU! Is it the sepuku blade or the full samurai one?
>>>>
>>>>Um... It's about 6 inches long.
>>>>
>>>I think the "suicide" blade is at least 12-14 inches...
>>
>>They cheated anyway, They had a second to cut their head off for them.
>>
>>but who cut off his head eh?
>>
>Their next of kin?
I don't think Bushis were alowed to have them.
§ńühwřŁf
>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>>>>But they're not. That's the whole point. Unless of course, one is
>>>>>"playing the part", for such purposes as there may be.
>>>>>
>>>>I mis-typed. D'OH! I meant *less* prepared.
>>>>Ok...so I'm an idiot...
>>>
>>>Many people make mistakes. But perhaps the only way to educate, is
>>>through sad reality.
>>>
>>For the dumber ones...the smart ones just have to *see* their herd members
>>being eaten to know its something to avoid.
>
>But to change it?
>
Might have to let nature step in in a major way. Evolution favors survival of
the *fittest*...nowadays humans have thwarted that aspect via technology.
>>>>>MY PAIN IS ABSOLUTE AND YOURS IS MEANINGLESS!!!
>>>>>
>>>>Well my pain is more real to me. That is a given.
>>>>BTW, why the posting frenzy?
>>>><looks down at all teh new psots>
>>>
>>>I wanted to make a difference to peoples lives, I felt that you should
>>>all share in my wisdom. egotism.
>>>
>><adjusts sun block accordingly>
>>You and Ralph Nader?
>
>The newspapers here all accoused ralph nader of being a "wrecker" and
>said that he should not run.
>
He pointed out that Bush stole the office from Gore who won by 500,000 votes.
>But that it is antidemratic, In theory anyone who is eliglbe can run
>if they want to.
>
Sure. You know that Snoopy gets a few votes a year?
>These people just want to reinforce the two party monopoly.
>
Well...us liberals really really really want to oust Bush. Theres been a *huge*
backlash against his opressive & exploitative policies.
>>>>>The stuff I use gives of lots of vapours, It's 30% ionic Surfactents
>>>>>and 15% non-ionic Surfactents IIRC. It smells nice though.
>>>>>
>>>>Those things are fairly harmless. Sodium Larel Sulfate will cause
dermatitus
>>>>and is implicated in being a cause of exema.
>>>
>>>I squirted some Phosphoric acid base cleaner up my nose.
>>>It itched.
>>>
>>WTF!? Accidently or are you experimenting? I read that now kids are playing
>>with some new plant called Salvia somthingorother...it makes you "high" for
ten
>>minutes then nausea ensues...sounds lovely.
>
>Um... It was from a squirty bottle of toilet cleaner, The nozzle was
>blocked or something and I was peering down it and sqeeuzeing, I guess
>i'm just lucky none went in my eyes.
>
Thats like looking into a water hose in a Three Stooges movie...its just
something you dont do :)
>>>>>"Electricity formed the single most important form of transmissible
>>>>>energy for a very long time, and still plays a role in the
>>>>>Imperium.... The most significant advance in the field of electronics
>>>>>was the development of Stacked Atomic Chains - or 'stacks'. Atoms
>>>>>within a small piece of material are arranged in rows and patterns,
>>>>>forming the basis for molecular level circuitry. Using this technique
>>>>>miniaturisation reached its ultimate form - so that few devices have
>>>>>to be any larger than necessitated by controls or aesthetics.."
>>>>>
>>>>>Is what the Big Book of Warhammer 40K fluff says.
>>>>>
>>>>Interesting. I wonder what they think of nanotubules...
>>>
>>>They call them Hydroplastics IIRC:
>>>
>>>"Hydroplastics transmit power directly by pressure, or activate other
>>>systems by the same means. Hydroplastic lines of a suitably small bore
>>>are highly efficient, yet technically simple, means of powering a
>>>system. Bore diameters are on the molecular level. Hydroplastic
>>>actuators (small motors which transmit energy into physical movement)
>>>are perhaps the most common type."
>>>
>><nods head as if he understands>
>>Hmmmmmmm...yeah, those are really neat...
>
>Did you know that The temperature inside the engine room of the
>Moniter (one of the Unions first ironclad battle ships) reached 172
>degrees in summer?
>
Ouch.
>Also, if the ships were hit in the boilers, they'd spray boiling steam
>out all over the ship.
>
Thus the demise of the ironclads eh? Id much rather have nucular waste spewing
on me from a reactor core :)
>>>>>>Ive always found it interesting that writers will basically just re-
package
>>>>>>history and give it back to us.
>>>>>
>>>>>Real history doesn't have psychic Liberians who make peoples head
>>>>>explode.
>>>>>
>>>>Well obviously...but they had guillotines!
>>>
>>>They had a special one in Scotland, It was operated by the whole
>>>village crowd pulling on it, so if you thought the person was
>>>innocent, you could not pull, If so, All heave together now!
>>>
>>The middle east was still in the "stone age"...get it?
>
I guess you didnt...
>
>>>>>Also, history can often somehow seem remote. If you're reading a
>>>>>history book, and it's all "they did this, They did that, This
>>>>>happend", it's a bit... Boring.
>>>>>
>>>>>But if they try to get inside peoples heads, Form some kind of
>>>>>narrative, It makes it easier to relate to and empathise with et al.
>>>>>
>>>>True. Thus the popularity of movies with a historical theme.
>>>
>>>But LOTR has no basis in history, It's just pure fantasy. NO!
>>>I had a free ticket to the third one, but I kept on nodding off.
>>>
>>I did with the first one...it was on DVD...
>><yawns>
>>Buh buh buh ooooooooring!
>
>In once scence, There was this guy rideing a giant Hyena!
>Then in the very next shot, he was walking, And the hyena had
>vanished.
>
>I was confused.
>
Continuity called in sick that day...budgets were cut...you know...
I blame the Bermuda Triangle...and lack of a insider in the radio industry.
>>>>Hmmmmm...I'll look for a easy reader on physics for you.
>>>>Popular Science has an article on 10 dimentional string theory...
>>>
>>>What if it raises uncomftable things that don;'t fit into my vision of
>>>how the world should be?
>>>
>>If you can grasp it, you r00l! It made my head hurty :(
>
>Well I can't understand anythibg to do with these thing, IT's like,
>Yes, But no, But yes but no.
>
I understand the rudimentary concepts...except for the math parts...
>>>I fear the new knowledge!
>>>
>>I fear...being beat up by angry hoards...
>
>Of rightous citizenry?
>
Of angry furries & weres who Ive alienated via my scathing and painfully
accurate critiques...
FURRY TERRORISTS!
>>>But when you see that the biggest criminals are not called criminals,
>>>insteadc called "buinsessmen", a certain amount of confusion is
>>>inevitable.
>>>
>>Well thats a nice segue into another rant about socialism...but
still...theres
>>Child Psychology to consider...developmental psychology is very big these
>>days...
>
>But it's mostly like a dead end.
>
I think its better than Bush's Junk Science.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Offending me takes real effort ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hmm, I like to throw puppies at windows?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ah but I know you don't.
>>>>>
>>>>>I throw stones at cats which come to crap in the garden?
>>>>>
>>>>Well its not nice but it dosent "offend" me. I'd say use a hose & squirt
them
>>>>instead :)
>>>
>>>What is the "b" word?
>>>
>>B-yatch? Buh?
>
>Maybe Bitch. I'm not sure.
>
Bollocks.
>>>>>
>>>>>I used to try and bait them a bit. Esp. in relegious education.
>>>>>
>>>>If you know more than they do you can make them look ignorant...but I dont
>>feel
>>>>the need to convert people in an area that has little effect on my being.
>>Wanna
>>>>argue politics? Well theres another issue entirely...
>>>
>>>The funny thing is, Is britian, the law says that you must have
>>>prayers in schools and teach Relegois education.
>>>
>>EEEEEWWWWWW!
>>
>>>Yet britian is very unrelegios, and america which mandates sepration
>>>of church and state is not.
>>>
>>Ironic innit?
>>
>>>I bet being tought in school turns people off it.
>>>
>>Ahhhhh...thats very subltle and devious! I LIKE IT!
>
>Well, They used to tell me to go and "study in the libary" when I
>asked questions like "how do you know that this god is more valid than
>any other god?"
>
They were aware of your superior intellect & realised that it would only flower
in the library?
>>>>>I've used it on all the computers in the house to save money. I'll use
>>>>>it on my new laptop too.
>>>>>
>>>>You horrid person! You just violated the EULA!!!
>>>>M$ cops to arrive soon...
>>>
>>>I think it takes a snapshot of your HD when you register it...
>>>
>>It looks for partitions that arn't regular dos type ones...so if you have
linux
>>on your drive...it won't work. M$ wants to have TOTAL CONTROL of your 'puter.
>
>Really? It won't work?
>
>I have a linux partition on my HD, But Windows XP works Okay, But I
>instralled linux after windows XP.
>
Thats the only way to do it. If you have linux sitting there already M$ won't
install properly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You get these special knives for removeing their scales.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Fillet knives? Theres a board that you put them on to descale them...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My father has a samurai knife for gutting fish, It's sharpe enough to
>>>>>>>cut through very very thin sheets of metal!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>GINSU! Is it the sepuku blade or the full samurai one?
>>>>>
>>>>>Um... It's about 6 inches long.
>>>>>
>>>>I think the "suicide" blade is at least 12-14 inches...
>>>
>>>They cheated anyway, They had a second to cut their head off for them.
>>>
>>>but who cut off his head eh?
>>>
>>Their next of kin?
>
>I don't think Bushis were alowed to have them.
>
Wahats teh Bushis?
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the Rotating Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>>>>>>But they're not. That's the whole point. Unless of course, one is
>>>>>>"playing the part", for such purposes as there may be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I mis-typed. D'OH! I meant *less* prepared.
>>>>>Ok...so I'm an idiot...
>>>>
>>>>Many people make mistakes. But perhaps the only way to educate, is
>>>>through sad reality.
>>>>
>>>For the dumber ones...the smart ones just have to *see* their herd members
>>>being eaten to know its something to avoid.
>>
>>But to change it?
>>
>Might have to let nature step in in a major way. Evolution favors survival of
>the *fittest*...nowadays humans have thwarted that aspect via technology.
But doesn't that just change the selection criteria?
Of course, It changes the selection Criteria to ones that involve
human things like "being the most ruthless buisnessmen" or somethign
like that, Which don;'t have much effect in "the real world"
Cos come the collapse of civlisation, I don't think haveing a leather
breifcase and laptop will be much cop.
>>>>>>MY PAIN IS ABSOLUTE AND YOURS IS MEANINGLESS!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>Well my pain is more real to me. That is a given.
>>>>>BTW, why the posting frenzy?
>>>>><looks down at all teh new psots>
>>>>
>>>>I wanted to make a difference to peoples lives, I felt that you should
>>>>all share in my wisdom. egotism.
>>>>
>>><adjusts sun block accordingly>
>>>You and Ralph Nader?
>>
>>The newspapers here all accoused ralph nader of being a "wrecker" and
>>said that he should not run.
>>
>He pointed out that Bush stole the office from Gore who won by 500,000 votes.
HERESY!!!!!
>>But that it is antidemratic, In theory anyone who is eliglbe can run
>>if they want to.
>>
>Sure. You know that Snoopy gets a few votes a year?
>
>>These people just want to reinforce the two party monopoly.
>>
>Well...us liberals really really really want to oust Bush. Theres been a *huge*
>backlash against his opressive & exploitative policies.
Yeah, But will Kerry be any better?
I don';t think so...
>>>>>>The stuff I use gives of lots of vapours, It's 30% ionic Surfactents
>>>>>>and 15% non-ionic Surfactents IIRC. It smells nice though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Those things are fairly harmless. Sodium Larel Sulfate will cause
>dermatitus
>>>>>and is implicated in being a cause of exema.
>>>>
>>>>I squirted some Phosphoric acid base cleaner up my nose.
>>>>It itched.
>>>>
>>>WTF!? Accidently or are you experimenting? I read that now kids are playing
>>>with some new plant called Salvia somthingorother...it makes you "high" for
>ten
>>>minutes then nausea ensues...sounds lovely.
>>
>>Um... It was from a squirty bottle of toilet cleaner, The nozzle was
>>blocked or something and I was peering down it and sqeeuzeing, I guess
>>i'm just lucky none went in my eyes.
>>
>Thats like looking into a water hose in a Three Stooges movie...its just
>something you dont do :)
I didn't think, Like when I leant up againt the hot radioart, and my
coat started smokeing. It smelt like marzipan.
Apparantly, According to a book I'm readin, Teh US goverment, They had
people inject terminal patients with plutonium, back in the days of
the manhatter project, To see what it did (um... kill them)
>>>>>>>Ive always found it interesting that writers will basically just re-
>package
>>>>>>>history and give it back to us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Real history doesn't have psychic Liberians who make peoples head
>>>>>>explode.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Well obviously...but they had guillotines!
>>>>
>>>>They had a special one in Scotland, It was operated by the whole
>>>>village crowd pulling on it, so if you thought the person was
>>>>innocent, you could not pull, If so, All heave together now!
>>>>
>>>The middle east was still in the "stone age"...get it?
>>
>I guess you didnt...
I think I was stoned.
>>>>>>Also, history can often somehow seem remote. If you're reading a
>>>>>>history book, and it's all "they did this, They did that, This
>>>>>>happend", it's a bit... Boring.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But if they try to get inside peoples heads, Form some kind of
>>>>>>narrative, It makes it easier to relate to and empathise with et al.
>>>>>>
>>>>>True. Thus the popularity of movies with a historical theme.
>>>>
>>>>But LOTR has no basis in history, It's just pure fantasy. NO!
>>>>I had a free ticket to the third one, but I kept on nodding off.
>>>>
>>>I did with the first one...it was on DVD...
>>><yawns>
>>>Buh buh buh ooooooooring!
>>
>>In once scence, There was this guy rideing a giant Hyena!
>>Then in the very next shot, he was walking, And the hyena had
>>vanished.
>>
>>I was confused.
>>
>Continuity called in sick that day...budgets were cut...you know...
And how come all the evil people were asian, Arabic or black or orcs
and all the goodies were all without exception white?
Apparantly, People didn't like the vocalist, They'd hecled him
"get back to the opera!" they'd say. (according to the booklet with
their onlly album)
Life can be cruel for fat vocalists.
>>>>>Hmmmmm...I'll look for a easy reader on physics for you.
>>>>>Popular Science has an article on 10 dimentional string theory...
>>>>
>>>>What if it raises uncomftable things that don;'t fit into my vision of
>>>>how the world should be?
>>>>
>>>If you can grasp it, you r00l! It made my head hurty :(
>>
>>Well I can't understand anythibg to do with these thing, IT's like,
>>Yes, But no, But yes but no.
>>
>I understand the rudimentary concepts...except for the math parts...
I don't! expecpt that there might be multiple univ4erers!?!?!
>>>>I fear the new knowledge!
>>>>
>>>I fear...being beat up by angry hoards...
>>
>>Of rightous citizenry?
>>
>Of angry furries & weres who Ive alienated via my scathing and painfully
>accurate critiques...
>FURRY TERRORISTS!
What if they just lauged at you and said that they liked be lonely and
miserable and therefore pretending to be a fish?
>>>>But when you see that the biggest criminals are not called criminals,
>>>>insteadc called "buinsessmen", a certain amount of confusion is
>>>>inevitable.
>>>>
>>>Well thats a nice segue into another rant about socialism...but
>still...theres
>>>Child Psychology to consider...developmental psychology is very big these
>>>days...
>>
>>But it's mostly like a dead end.
>>
>I think its better than Bush's Junk Science.
Like mCdonalds Junk food!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Offending me takes real effort ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hmm, I like to throw puppies at windows?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ah but I know you don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I throw stones at cats which come to crap in the garden?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Well its not nice but it dosent "offend" me. I'd say use a hose & squirt
>them
>>>>>instead :)
>>>>
>>>>What is the "b" word?
>>>>
>>>B-yatch? Buh?
>>
>>Maybe Bitch. I'm not sure.
>>
>Bollocks.
The sex pistols!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I used to try and bait them a bit. Esp. in relegious education.
>>>>>>
>>>>>If you know more than they do you can make them look ignorant...but I dont
>>>feel
>>>>>the need to convert people in an area that has little effect on my being.
>>>Wanna
>>>>>argue politics? Well theres another issue entirely...
>>>>
>>>>The funny thing is, Is britian, the law says that you must have
>>>>prayers in schools and teach Relegois education.
>>>>
>>>EEEEEWWWWWW!
>>>
>>>>Yet britian is very unrelegios, and america which mandates sepration
>>>>of church and state is not.
>>>>
>>>Ironic innit?
>>>
>>>>I bet being tought in school turns people off it.
>>>>
>>>Ahhhhh...thats very subltle and devious! I LIKE IT!
>>
>>Well, They used to tell me to go and "study in the libary" when I
>>asked questions like "how do you know that this god is more valid than
>>any other god?"
>>
>They were aware of your superior intellect & realised that it would only flower
>in the library?
well, I nearly got thrown out a few times of school for being
"mouthy".
>>>>>>I've used it on all the computers in the house to save money. I'll use
>>>>>>it on my new laptop too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>You horrid person! You just violated the EULA!!!
>>>>>M$ cops to arrive soon...
>>>>
>>>>I think it takes a snapshot of your HD when you register it...
>>>>
>>>It looks for partitions that arn't regular dos type ones...so if you have
>linux
>>>on your drive...it won't work. M$ wants to have TOTAL CONTROL of your 'puter.
>>
>>Really? It won't work?
>>
>>I have a linux partition on my HD, But Windows XP works Okay, But I
>>instralled linux after windows XP.
>>
>Thats the only way to do it. If you have linux sitting there already M$ won't
>install properly.
ON purpose or just cos its crap?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You get these special knives for removeing their scales.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Fillet knives? Theres a board that you put them on to descale them...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My father has a samurai knife for gutting fish, It's sharpe enough to
>>>>>>>>cut through very very thin sheets of metal!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>GINSU! Is it the sepuku blade or the full samurai one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Um... It's about 6 inches long.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I think the "suicide" blade is at least 12-14 inches...
>>>>
>>>>They cheated anyway, They had a second to cut their head off for them.
>>>>
>>>>but who cut off his head eh?
>>>>
>>>Their next of kin?
>>
>>I don't think Bushis were alowed to have them.
>>
>Wahats teh Bushis?
the warriors who follow the way of the Bushidio, which is theway of
the warrior.
§ńühwřŁf
>§ńühwřŁf <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>>>>>>But they're not. That's the whole point. Unless of course, one is
>>>>>>>"playing the part", for such purposes as there may be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I mis-typed. D'OH! I meant *less* prepared.
>>>>>>Ok...so I'm an idiot...
>>>>>
>>>>>Many people make mistakes. But perhaps the only way to educate, is
>>>>>through sad reality.
>>>>>
>>>>For the dumber ones...the smart ones just have to *see* their herd members
>>>>being eaten to know its something to avoid.
>>>
>>>But to change it?
>>>
>>Might have to let nature step in in a major way. Evolution favors survival of
>>the *fittest*...nowadays humans have thwarted that aspect via technology.
>
>But doesn't that just change the selection criteria?
>Of course, It changes the selection Criteria to ones that involve
>human things like "being the most ruthless buisnessmen" or somethign
>like that, Which don;'t have much effect in "the real world"
>Cos come the collapse of civlisation, I don't think haveing a leather
>breifcase and laptop will be much cop.
>
Given the current situation...sure...Donald Trump is held to be the "fittest".
But in a survival situation where there's no technology to fall back
on...someone else would be.
>>>>>>>MY PAIN IS ABSOLUTE AND YOURS IS MEANINGLESS!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well my pain is more real to me. That is a given.
>>>>>>BTW, why the posting frenzy?
>>>>>><looks down at all teh new psots>
>>>>>
>>>>>I wanted to make a difference to peoples lives, I felt that you should
>>>>>all share in my wisdom. egotism.
>>>>>
>>>><adjusts sun block accordingly>
>>>>You and Ralph Nader?
>>>
>>>The newspapers here all accoused ralph nader of being a "wrecker" and
>>>said that he should not run.
>>>
>>He pointed out that Bush stole the office from Gore who won by 500,000 votes.
>
>HERESY!!!!!
>
Verifiable data that isn't refuted by anyone in the know :)
>>>But that it is antidemratic, In theory anyone who is eliglbe can run
>>>if they want to.
>>>
>>Sure. You know that Snoopy gets a few votes a year?
>>
>>>These people just want to reinforce the two party monopoly.
>>>
>>Well...us liberals really really really want to oust Bush. Theres been a
*huge*
>>backlash against his opressive & exploitative policies.
>
>Yeah, But will Kerry be any better?
>I don';t think so...
>
Sell me on who *you* think is better.
Pitch me....hard.
>>>>>>>The stuff I use gives of lots of vapours, It's 30% ionic Surfactents
>>>>>>>and 15% non-ionic Surfactents IIRC. It smells nice though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Those things are fairly harmless. Sodium Larel Sulfate will cause
>>dermatitus
>>>>>>and is implicated in being a cause of exema.
>>>>>
>>>>>I squirted some Phosphoric acid base cleaner up my nose.
>>>>>It itched.
>>>>>
>>>>WTF!? Accidently or are you experimenting? I read that now kids are playing
>>>>with some new plant called Salvia somthingorother...it makes you "high" for
>>ten
>>>>minutes then nausea ensues...sounds lovely.
>>>
>>>Um... It was from a squirty bottle of toilet cleaner, The nozzle was
>>>blocked or something and I was peering down it and sqeeuzeing, I guess
>>>i'm just lucky none went in my eyes.
>>>
>>Thats like looking into a water hose in a Three Stooges movie...its just
>>something you dont do :)
>
>I didn't think, Like when I leant up againt the hot radioart, and my
>coat started smokeing. It smelt like marzipan.
>
PLEASE BE CAREFUL.
TIA
>>>>>
>>>>>"Hydroplastics transmit power directly by pressure, or activate other
>>>>>systems by the same means. Hydroplastic lines of a suitably small bore
>>>>>are highly efficient, yet technically simple, means of powering a
>>>>>system. Bore diameters are on the molecular level. Hydroplastic
>>>>>actuators (small motors which transmit energy into physical movement)
>>>>>are perhaps the most common type."
>>>>>
>>>><nods head as if he understands>
>>>>Hmmmmmmm...yeah, those are really neat...
>>>
>>>Did you know that The temperature inside the engine room of the
>>>Moniter (one of the Unions first ironclad battle ships) reached 172
>>>degrees in summer?
>>>
>>Ouch.
>>
>>>Also, if the ships were hit in the boilers, they'd spray boiling steam
>>>out all over the ship.
>>>
>>Thus the demise of the ironclads eh? Id much rather have nucular waste
spewing
>>on me from a reactor core :)
>
>Apparantly, According to a book I'm readin, Teh US goverment, They had
>people inject terminal patients with plutonium, back in the days of
>the manhatter project, To see what it did (um... kill them)
>
THey wanted to make sure that radiation would be a good killin device when they
dropped the big one.
>>>>>They had a special one in Scotland, It was operated by the whole
>>>>>village crowd pulling on it, so if you thought the person was
>>>>>innocent, you could not pull, If so, All heave together now!
>>>>>
>>>>The middle east was still in the "stone age"...get it?
>>>
>>I guess you didnt...
>
>I think I was stoned.
>
Wear your burkha then...
>>>>>But LOTR has no basis in history, It's just pure fantasy. NO!
>>>>>I had a free ticket to the third one, but I kept on nodding off.
>>>>>
>>>>I did with the first one...it was on DVD...
>>>><yawns>
>>>>Buh buh buh ooooooooring!
>>>
>>>In once scence, There was this guy rideing a giant Hyena!
>>>Then in the very next shot, he was walking, And the hyena had
>>>vanished.
>>>
>>>I was confused.
>>>
>>Continuity called in sick that day...budgets were cut...you know...
>
>And how come all the evil people were asian, Arabic or black or orcs
>and all the goodies were all without exception white?
>
StarWars was cited for the whole Jar Jar is a black slave type & the d00ds who
invaded his homeworld were Japanese in character and accents etc.
I thot Jar Jar would make a good saturday morning cartoon...he's so cute &
loveable :)
>>>>>
>>>>>It's ok to download mP3s from bands like metalica,
>>>>
>>>>LOL!
>>>>
>>>>>But much of what I
>>>>>listen to is rather obscure european heavy metal bands who have day
>>>>>jobs and don't earn huge amounts out of it.
>>>>>
>>>>>WOULD YOU DEPREIVE THEM AND THEIR LABELS OF CASH!?!?!
>>>>>
>>>>Of course not. My friend has the limewire you see so I dont do that sort of
>>>>thing :)
>>>
>>>I was listening to a band called "Axehammer", they opened with Slayer
>>>once. Slayer... well, You know them I'm sure, But axehammer...
>>>Vanished.
>>>
>>I blame the Bermuda Triangle...and lack of a insider in the radio industry.
>
>Apparantly, People didn't like the vocalist, They'd hecled him
>"get back to the opera!" they'd say. (according to the booklet with
>their onlly album)
>
Theres a new band called the Darkening (I may be wrong) that has a singer who
reminds me of Freddy Mercury in his abilities. They're very campy & funny...but
the guitar work is AWSUM!!!!
>Life can be cruel for fat vocalists.
>
MeatLoaf was ok...the guy in Blues Traveler has done pretty well...
John Popper IIRC...
>>>>>>Hmmmmm...I'll look for a easy reader on physics for you.
>>>>>>Popular Science has an article on 10 dimentional string theory...
>>>>>
>>>>>What if it raises uncomftable things that don;'t fit into my vision of
>>>>>how the world should be?
>>>>>
>>>>If you can grasp it, you r00l! It made my head hurty :(
>>>
>>>Well I can't understand anythibg to do with these thing, IT's like,
>>>Yes, But no, But yes but no.
>>>
>>I understand the rudimentary concepts...except for the math parts...
>
>I don't! expecpt that there might be multiple univ4erers!?!?!
>
Think Many MANY donut shaped universes some of which occupy the same space &
some are merely intersecting...or something...
>>>>>I fear the new knowledge!
>>>>>
>>>>I fear...being beat up by angry hoards...
>>>
>>>Of rightous citizenry?
>>>
>>Of angry furries & weres who Ive alienated via my scathing and painfully
>>accurate critiques...
>>FURRY TERRORISTS!
>
>What if they just lauged at you and said that they liked be lonely and
>miserable and therefore pretending to be a fish?
>
I think they hate being made aware of what I feel is the root-cause of their
"obsession". No one likes to have their inadequacies pointed out to them :(
>>>>>But when you see that the biggest criminals are not called criminals,
>>>>>insteadc called "buinsessmen", a certain amount of confusion is
>>>>>inevitable.
>>>>>
>>>>Well thats a nice segue into another rant about socialism...but
>>still...theres
>>>>Child Psychology to consider...developmental psychology is very big these
>>>>days...
>>>
>>>But it's mostly like a dead end.
>>>
>>I think its better than Bush's Junk Science.
>
>Like mCdonalds Junk food!
>
They just announced that they're fazing out the "supersize" items.
Heh...
>>>>>What is the "b" word?
>>>>>
>>>>B-yatch? Buh?
>>>
>>>Maybe Bitch. I'm not sure.
>>>
>>Bollocks.
>
>The sex pistols!
>
Never mind them then ;)
>>>>
>>>>>Yet britian is very unrelegios, and america which mandates sepration
>>>>>of church and state is not.
>>>>>
>>>>Ironic innit?
>>>>
>>>>>I bet being tought in school turns people off it.
>>>>>
>>>>Ahhhhh...thats very subltle and devious! I LIKE IT!
>>>
>>>Well, They used to tell me to go and "study in the libary" when I
>>>asked questions like "how do you know that this god is more valid than
>>>any other god?"
>>>
>>They were aware of your superior intellect & realised that it would only
flower
>>in the library?
>
>well, I nearly got thrown out a few times of school for being
>"mouthy".
>
Some people just accept all the crap that authority pitches to them.
Some people actually think about it first...
>>>>>I think it takes a snapshot of your HD when you register it...
>>>>>
>>>>It looks for partitions that arn't regular dos type ones...so if you have
>>linux
>>>>on your drive...it won't work. M$ wants to have TOTAL CONTROL of your
'puter.
>>>
>>>Really? It won't work?
>>>
>>>I have a linux partition on my HD, But Windows XP works Okay, But I
>>>instralled linux after windows XP.
>>>
>>Thats the only way to do it. If you have linux sitting there already M$ won't
>>install properly.
>
>ON purpose or just cos its crap?
>
It specifically checks to see if non-dos partitions exist on your disc.
ITS RUBBISH!
>>>>>They cheated anyway, They had a second to cut their head off for them.
>>>>>
>>>>>but who cut off his head eh?
>>>>>
>>>>Their next of kin?
>>>
>>>I don't think Bushis were alowed to have them.
>>>
>>Wahats teh Bushis?
>
>the warriors who follow the way of the Bushidio, which is theway of
>the warrior.
>
Oh...the Bushido code & all that. I need to read '47 Ronin' sometime...
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the Muzzle loading Jackal
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>Dave the Rotating Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
><4044f903...@news.critter.net>:
>
>>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>>him.
>>
>>>>>>>>But they're not. That's the whole point. Unless of course, one is
>>>>>>>>"playing the part", for such purposes as there may be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I mis-typed. D'OH! I meant *less* prepared.
>>>>>>>Ok...so I'm an idiot...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Many people make mistakes. But perhaps the only way to educate, is
>>>>>>through sad reality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>For the dumber ones...the smart ones just have to *see* their herd members
>>>>>being eaten to know its something to avoid.
>>>>
>>>>But to change it?
>>>>
>>>Might have to let nature step in in a major way. Evolution favors survival of
>>>the *fittest*...nowadays humans have thwarted that aspect via technology.
>>
>>But doesn't that just change the selection criteria?
>>Of course, It changes the selection Criteria to ones that involve
>>human things like "being the most ruthless buisnessmen" or somethign
>>like that, Which don;'t have much effect in "the real world"
>>Cos come the collapse of civlisation, I don't think haveing a leather
>>breifcase and laptop will be much cop.
>>
>Given the current situation...sure...Donald Trump is held to be the "fittest".
>But in a survival situation where there's no technology to fall back
>on...someone else would be.
Liike gun fanatics who wouldn't know what the 2nd amendment truly was
if they were spanked with it?
Scary though, Both.
>>>>>>>>MY PAIN IS ABSOLUTE AND YOURS IS MEANINGLESS!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well my pain is more real to me. That is a given.
>>>>>>>BTW, why the posting frenzy?
>>>>>>><looks down at all teh new psots>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I wanted to make a difference to peoples lives, I felt that you should
>>>>>>all share in my wisdom. egotism.
>>>>>>
>>>>><adjusts sun block accordingly>
>>>>>You and Ralph Nader?
>>>>
>>>>The newspapers here all accoused ralph nader of being a "wrecker" and
>>>>said that he should not run.
>>>>
>>>He pointed out that Bush stole the office from Gore who won by 500,000 votes.
>>
>>HERESY!!!!!
>>
>Verifiable data that isn't refuted by anyone in the know :)
>
>>>>But that it is antidemratic, In theory anyone who is eliglbe can run
>>>>if they want to.
>>>>
>>>Sure. You know that Snoopy gets a few votes a year?
>>>
>>>>These people just want to reinforce the two party monopoly.
>>>>
>>>Well...us liberals really really really want to oust Bush. Theres been a
>*huge*
>>>backlash against his opressive & exploitative policies.
>>
>>Yeah, But will Kerry be any better?
>>I don';t think so...
>>
>Sell me on who *you* think is better.
>Pitch me....hard.
Both kerry and bush were educated at yale, both come from wealthy
families. Both are very rich and donated to by corps.
Kerry has not made any concrete promises to raise taxes or even get
rids of bushs tax cuts.
He hasn't even said he';ll do anything about the patrioat act.
Kerry is attacking bush from the RIGHT not the left.
He said this in a speech on friday:
"...I don’t fault George Bush for doing too much in the war on
terror... I believe he has done too little.... George Bush has no
comprehensive strategy for victory in the war on terror, only an ad
hoc strategy to keep our enemies at bay. If I am commander in chief, I
would wage that war by putting in place a strategy to win it..."
Hoorah! even more attacks on civil liberties under kerry!!!
"As president, I pledge to you, I’ll never wait for a green light from
abroad, from any other institution"
Hoorah! unilaterlism! Just like bush!
He supported involving the CIA directly in domestic police spying,
which he described as an effort to "break down the barriers between
national intelligence and local law enforcement."
He also endorsed the isreali apartheid wall to divide palestine into
ghettos.
Kerry is bascialy just adopting Bushes agenda so that the corperate
elite will get behind him instead of bush.
Even if Kerry wins, The attacks on Civil liberties and the "war on
terror" will continue.
I wonder what America we will see in ten years time.
>>>>>>>>The stuff I use gives of lots of vapours, It's 30% ionic Surfactents
>>>>>>>>and 15% non-ionic Surfactents IIRC. It smells nice though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Those things are fairly harmless. Sodium Larel Sulfate will cause
>>>dermatitus
>>>>>>>and is implicated in being a cause of exema.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I squirted some Phosphoric acid base cleaner up my nose.
>>>>>>It itched.
>>>>>>
>>>>>WTF!? Accidently or are you experimenting? I read that now kids are playing
>>>>>with some new plant called Salvia somthingorother...it makes you "high" for
>>>ten
>>>>>minutes then nausea ensues...sounds lovely.
>>>>
>>>>Um... It was from a squirty bottle of toilet cleaner, The nozzle was
>>>>blocked or something and I was peering down it and sqeeuzeing, I guess
>>>>i'm just lucky none went in my eyes.
>>>>
>>>Thats like looking into a water hose in a Three Stooges movie...its just
>>>something you dont do :)
>>
>>I didn't think, Like when I leant up againt the hot radioart, and my
>>coat started smokeing. It smelt like marzipan.
>>
>PLEASE BE CAREFUL.
>TIA
I always wear rubber gloves! That saves me!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Hydroplastics transmit power directly by pressure, or activate other
>>>>>>systems by the same means. Hydroplastic lines of a suitably small bore
>>>>>>are highly efficient, yet technically simple, means of powering a
>>>>>>system. Bore diameters are on the molecular level. Hydroplastic
>>>>>>actuators (small motors which transmit energy into physical movement)
>>>>>>are perhaps the most common type."
>>>>>>
>>>>><nods head as if he understands>
>>>>>Hmmmmmmm...yeah, those are really neat...
>>>>
>>>>Did you know that The temperature inside the engine room of the
>>>>Moniter (one of the Unions first ironclad battle ships) reached 172
>>>>degrees in summer?
>>>>
>>>Ouch.
>>>
>>>>Also, if the ships were hit in the boilers, they'd spray boiling steam
>>>>out all over the ship.
>>>>
>>>Thus the demise of the ironclads eh? Id much rather have nucular waste
>spewing
>>>on me from a reactor core :)
>>
>>Apparantly, According to a book I'm readin, Teh US goverment, They had
>>people inject terminal patients with plutonium, back in the days of
>>the manhatter project, To see what it did (um... kill them)
>>
>THey wanted to make sure that radiation would be a good killin device when they
>dropped the big one.
They already knew that since the african slave labour used to mine the
uranium in the belgian congo died. a lot.
>>>>>>They had a special one in Scotland, It was operated by the whole
>>>>>>village crowd pulling on it, so if you thought the person was
>>>>>>innocent, you could not pull, If so, All heave together now!
>>>>>>
>>>>>The middle east was still in the "stone age"...get it?
>>>>
>>>I guess you didnt...
>>
>>I think I was stoned.
>>
>Wear your burkha then...
A british jounalist who got kidnapped by the taleban converted to
islam and said that she realises that it's now THE BESTEST THING EVER!
>>>>>>But LOTR has no basis in history, It's just pure fantasy. NO!
>>>>>>I had a free ticket to the third one, but I kept on nodding off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I did with the first one...it was on DVD...
>>>>><yawns>
>>>>>Buh buh buh ooooooooring!
>>>>
>>>>In once scence, There was this guy rideing a giant Hyena!
>>>>Then in the very next shot, he was walking, And the hyena had
>>>>vanished.
>>>>
>>>>I was confused.
>>>>
>>>Continuity called in sick that day...budgets were cut...you know...
>>
>>And how come all the evil people were asian, Arabic or black or orcs
>>and all the goodies were all without exception white?
>>
>StarWars was cited for the whole Jar Jar is a black slave type & the d00ds who
>invaded his homeworld were Japanese in character and accents etc.
>I thot Jar Jar would make a good saturday morning cartoon...he's so cute &
>loveable :)
In a made to sell merchandise kind of way...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's ok to download mP3s from bands like metalica,
>>>>>
>>>>>LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>>>But much of what I
>>>>>>listen to is rather obscure european heavy metal bands who have day
>>>>>>jobs and don't earn huge amounts out of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>WOULD YOU DEPREIVE THEM AND THEIR LABELS OF CASH!?!?!
>>>>>>
>>>>>Of course not. My friend has the limewire you see so I dont do that sort of
>>>>>thing :)
>>>>
>>>>I was listening to a band called "Axehammer", they opened with Slayer
>>>>once. Slayer... well, You know them I'm sure, But axehammer...
>>>>Vanished.
>>>>
>>>I blame the Bermuda Triangle...and lack of a insider in the radio industry.
>>
>>Apparantly, People didn't like the vocalist, They'd hecled him
>>"get back to the opera!" they'd say. (according to the booklet with
>>their onlly album)
>>
>Theres a new band called the Darkening (I may be wrong) that has a singer who
>reminds me of Freddy Mercury in his abilities. They're very campy & funny...but
>the guitar work is AWSUM!!!!
>
>>Life can be cruel for fat vocalists.
>>
>MeatLoaf was ok...the guy in Blues Traveler has done pretty well...
>John Popper IIRC...
"Thyrfing" too, But then they all have long hair and beards.
>>>>>>>Hmmmmm...I'll look for a easy reader on physics for you.
>>>>>>>Popular Science has an article on 10 dimentional string theory...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What if it raises uncomftable things that don;'t fit into my vision of
>>>>>>how the world should be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>If you can grasp it, you r00l! It made my head hurty :(
>>>>
>>>>Well I can't understand anythibg to do with these thing, IT's like,
>>>>Yes, But no, But yes but no.
>>>>
>>>I understand the rudimentary concepts...except for the math parts...
>>
>>I don't! expecpt that there might be multiple univ4erers!?!?!
>>
>Think Many MANY donut shaped universes some of which occupy the same space &
>some are merely intersecting...or something...
So sometimes, when you drive into a backwater town, you are in fact
driveing into a nother universe?!?
>>>>>>I fear the new knowledge!
>>>>>>
>>>>>I fear...being beat up by angry hoards...
>>>>
>>>>Of rightous citizenry?
>>>>
>>>Of angry furries & weres who Ive alienated via my scathing and painfully
>>>accurate critiques...
>>>FURRY TERRORISTS!
>>
>>What if they just lauged at you and said that they liked be lonely and
>>miserable and therefore pretending to be a fish?
>>
>I think they hate being made aware of what I feel is the root-cause of their
>"obsession". No one likes to have their inadequacies pointed out to them :(
I like the art, but I don't like supersution.
>>>>>>But when you see that the biggest criminals are not called criminals,
>>>>>>insteadc called "buinsessmen", a certain amount of confusion is
>>>>>>inevitable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Well thats a nice segue into another rant about socialism...but
>>>still...theres
>>>>>Child Psychology to consider...developmental psychology is very big these
>>>>>days...
>>>>
>>>>But it's mostly like a dead end.
>>>>
>>>I think its better than Bush's Junk Science.
>>
>>Like mCdonalds Junk food!
>>
>They just announced that they're fazing out the "supersize" items.
>Heh...
Maybe cowshitless burgers next?
>>>>>>What is the "b" word?
>>>>>>
>>>>>B-yatch? Buh?
>>>>
>>>>Maybe Bitch. I'm not sure.
>>>>
>>>Bollocks.
>>
>>The sex pistols!
>>
>Never mind them then ;)
You filth.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Yet britian is very unrelegios, and america which mandates sepration
>>>>>>of church and state is not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Ironic innit?
>>>>>
>>>>>>I bet being tought in school turns people off it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Ahhhhh...thats very subltle and devious! I LIKE IT!
>>>>
>>>>Well, They used to tell me to go and "study in the libary" when I
>>>>asked questions like "how do you know that this god is more valid than
>>>>any other god?"
>>>>
>>>They were aware of your superior intellect & realised that it would only
>flower
>>>in the library?
>>
>>well, I nearly got thrown out a few times of school for being
>>"mouthy".
>>
>Some people just accept all the crap that authority pitches to them.
>Some people actually think about it first...
Well, they had it in for me, I saw the women at a supermarket, I
loudly commented that it was "that dreadful women", people stared at
both I and her. She ignored.
>>>>>>I think it takes a snapshot of your HD when you register it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>It looks for partitions that arn't regular dos type ones...so if you have
>>>linux
>>>>>on your drive...it won't work. M$ wants to have TOTAL CONTROL of your
>'puter.
>>>>
>>>>Really? It won't work?
>>>>
>>>>I have a linux partition on my HD, But Windows XP works Okay, But I
>>>>instralled linux after windows XP.
>>>>
>>>Thats the only way to do it. If you have linux sitting there already M$ won't
>>>install properly.
>>
>>ON purpose or just cos its crap?
>>
>It specifically checks to see if non-dos partitions exist on your disc.
>ITS RUBBISH!
That is bad. I worry about this new device to prevent you ruynning
anything except for "microsoft certified" programs.
>>>>>>They cheated anyway, They had a second to cut their head off for them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>but who cut off his head eh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Their next of kin?
>>>>
>>>>I don't think Bushis were alowed to have them.
>>>>
>>>Wahats teh Bushis?
>>
>>the warriors who follow the way of the Bushidio, which is theway of
>>the warrior.
>>
>Oh...the Bushido code & all that. I need to read '47 Ronin' sometime...
Toshiro ono is in all japanese filsm, It's like a law.
---
"Following the light of the sun, we left the Old World."
-Inscription on Columbus' caravels
§ńühwřŁf
<40487073...@news.critter.net>:
Nicely spun Dave. Now re-read the bit where I say "no technology".
>>
>>>>>But that it is antidemratic, In theory anyone who is eliglbe can run
>>>>>if they want to.
>>>>>
>>>>Sure. You know that Snoopy gets a few votes a year?
>>>>
>>>>>These people just want to reinforce the two party monopoly.
>>>>>
>>>>Well...us liberals really really really want to oust Bush. Theres been a
>>*huge*
>>>>backlash against his opressive & exploitative policies.
>>>
>>>Yeah, But will Kerry be any better?
>>>I don';t think so...
>>>
>>Sell me on who *you* think is better.
>>Pitch me....hard.
>
>Both kerry and bush were educated at yale, both come from wealthy
>families. Both are very rich and donated to by corps.
>
Yep. And now that you've run out of similarities let me highlight the
differences;
Kerry- three time purple heart & silver star decorated 'Nam vet.
Bush- awol during his National Guard duties.
Kerry- Good voting record on the enviroment.
Bush- horrible record on the enviroment and hand-picks science staffers that
share his ideology.
>Kerry has not made any concrete promises to raise taxes or even get
>rids of bushs tax cuts.
>
Kerry is a waffler to be sure. But his overall record is pro-enviroment.
And thats the issue thats most important to me :)
>He hasn't even said he';ll do anything about the patrioat act.
>
He has said that when the so-called Patriot act sunsets (comes up for reveiw)
in '05 that he won't support it.
>Kerry is attacking bush from the RIGHT not the left.
>
He's hitting Bush where it hurts: jobs & the enviroment.
>He said this in a speech on friday:
>
>"...I don’t fault George Bush for doing too much in the war on
>terror... I believe he has done too little.... George Bush has no
>comprehensive strategy for victory in the war on terror, only an ad
>hoc strategy to keep our enemies at bay. If I am commander in chief, I
>would wage that war by putting in place a strategy to win it..."
>
Soundls like he's saying he has an exit strategy whereas Bush has none.
>Hoorah! even more attacks on civil liberties under kerry!!!
>
>"As president, I pledge to you, I’ll never wait for a green light from
>abroad, from any other institution"
>
Um...that sounds like a mis-quote.
>Hoorah! unilaterlism! Just like bush!
>
>He supported involving the CIA directly in domestic police spying,
>which he described as an effort to "break down the barriers between
>national intelligence and local law enforcement."
>
Sounds like post-9/11 rhetoric.
I think he's more the civil libertarian than Bush is though.
>He also endorsed the isreali apartheid wall to divide palestine into
>ghettos.
>
So do I :) Good fences make good neighbors.
>Kerry is bascialy just adopting Bushes agenda so that the corperate
>elite will get behind him instead of bush.
>
THen why isn't the corporate elite giving him the money?
Bush gets the lions share of corporate lobbyists money.
Try again.
>Even if Kerry wins, The attacks on Civil liberties and the "war on
>terror" will continue.
>
Um...no.
>I wonder what America we will see in ten years time.
>
Who knows? If it continues on the path its on then we'll have a two tiered
society with a ruling class and serfs.
Just like the politically unstable south america.
>>>>>Um... It was from a squirty bottle of toilet cleaner, The nozzle was
>>>>>blocked or something and I was peering down it and sqeeuzeing, I guess
>>>>>i'm just lucky none went in my eyes.
>>>>>
>>>>Thats like looking into a water hose in a Three Stooges movie...its just
>>>>something you dont do :)
>>>
>>>I didn't think, Like when I leant up againt the hot radioart, and my
>>>coat started smokeing. It smelt like marzipan.
>>>
>>PLEASE BE CAREFUL.
>>TIA
>
>I always wear rubber gloves! That saves me!
>
Not from vapors...
>>>
>>>Apparantly, According to a book I'm readin, Teh US goverment, They had
>>>people inject terminal patients with plutonium, back in the days of
>>>the manhatter project, To see what it did (um... kill them)
>>>
>>THey wanted to make sure that radiation would be a good killin device when
they
>>dropped the big one.
>
>They already knew that since the african slave labour used to mine the
>uranium in the belgian congo died. a lot.
>
When it comes to the government & killin...their motto is 'you can never be too
sure'.
>>>>>>>They had a special one in Scotland, It was operated by the whole
>>>>>>>village crowd pulling on it, so if you thought the person was
>>>>>>>innocent, you could not pull, If so, All heave together now!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>The middle east was still in the "stone age"...get it?
>>>>>
>>>>I guess you didnt...
>>>
>>>I think I was stoned.
>>>
>>Wear your burkha then...
>
>A british jounalist who got kidnapped by the taleban converted to
>islam and said that she realises that it's now THE BESTEST THING EVER!
>
Is she still being held hostage?
>>>
>>>And how come all the evil people were asian, Arabic or black or orcs
>>>and all the goodies were all without exception white?
>>>
>>StarWars was cited for the whole Jar Jar is a black slave type & the d00ds
who
>>invaded his homeworld were Japanese in character and accents etc.
>>I thot Jar Jar would make a good saturday morning cartoon...he's so cute &
>>loveable :)
>
>In a made to sell merchandise kind of way...
>
Sure...Jar Jar cereal to debut soon :)
>>>>>I was listening to a band called "Axehammer", they opened with Slayer
>>>>>once. Slayer... well, You know them I'm sure, But axehammer...
>>>>>Vanished.
>>>>>
>>>>I blame the Bermuda Triangle...and lack of a insider in the radio industry.
>>>
>>>Apparantly, People didn't like the vocalist, They'd hecled him
>>>"get back to the opera!" they'd say. (according to the booklet with
>>>their onlly album)
>>>
>>Theres a new band called the Darkening (I may be wrong) that has a singer who
>>reminds me of Freddy Mercury in his abilities. They're very campy &
funny...but
>>the guitar work is AWSUM!!!!
>>
>>>Life can be cruel for fat vocalists.
>>>
>>MeatLoaf was ok...the guy in Blues Traveler has done pretty well...
>>John Popper IIRC...
>
>"Thyrfing" too, But then they all have long hair and beards.
>
What a name.
>>>>>
>>>>I understand the rudimentary concepts...except for the math parts...
>>>
>>>I don't! expecpt that there might be multiple univ4erers!?!?!
>>>
>>Think Many MANY donut shaped universes some of which occupy the same space &
>>some are merely intersecting...or something...
>
>So sometimes, when you drive into a backwater town, you are in fact
>driveing into a nother universe?!?
>
It can sure seem that way. TexASS is a prime example :)
"Its like a whole 'nuther universe".
>>>>>>>I fear the new knowledge!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I fear...being beat up by angry hoards...
>>>>>
>>>>>Of rightous citizenry?
>>>>>
>>>>Of angry furries & weres who Ive alienated via my scathing and painfully
>>>>accurate critiques...
>>>>FURRY TERRORISTS!
>>>
>>>What if they just lauged at you and said that they liked be lonely and
>>>miserable and therefore pretending to be a fish?
>>>
>>I think they hate being made aware of what I feel is the root-cause of their
>>"obsession". No one likes to have their inadequacies pointed out to them :(
>
>I like the art, but I don't like supersution.
>
I like the whole questioning reality and yearing for a genuine self identity
thingy...but I dislike the hypocracy :)
>>>>I think its better than Bush's Junk Science.
>>>
>>>Like mCdonalds Junk food!
>>>
>>They just announced that they're fazing out the "supersize" items.
>>Heh...
>
>Maybe cowshitless burgers next?
>
Only if they suceed in growning beef muscle tissue in petrie dishes.
Just grow the patty in vats in labs...
>>>>>>>What is the "b" word?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>B-yatch? Buh?
>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe Bitch. I'm not sure.
>>>>>
>>>>Bollocks.
>>>
>>>The sex pistols!
>>>
>>Never mind them then ;)
>
>You filth.
>
God save the Queen & her fascist regime :)
>>>>>Well, They used to tell me to go and "study in the libary" when I
>>>>>asked questions like "how do you know that this god is more valid than
>>>>>any other god?"
>>>>>
>>>>They were aware of your superior intellect & realised that it would only
>>flower
>>>>in the library?
>>>
>>>well, I nearly got thrown out a few times of school for being
>>>"mouthy".
>>>
>>Some people just accept all the crap that authority pitches to them.
>>Some people actually think about it first...
>
>Well, they had it in for me, I saw the women at a supermarket, I
>loudly commented that it was "that dreadful women", people stared at
>both I and her. She ignored.
>
We're all against you Dave, you just havenn't figured it out yet :)
>>>>>I have a linux partition on my HD, But Windows XP works Okay, But I
>>>>>instralled linux after windows XP.
>>>>>
>>>>Thats the only way to do it. If you have linux sitting there already M$
won't
>>>>install properly.
>>>
>>>ON purpose or just cos its crap?
>>>
>>It specifically checks to see if non-dos partitions exist on your disc.
>>ITS RUBBISH!
>
>That is bad. I worry about this new device to prevent you ruynning
>anything except for "microsoft certified" programs.
>
Thats impossible. The whole .net thing is dead...people wouldnt stand for it.
Linux & unix and Palm/BeOs will always be around and companies like Sun are
making computers that run their OS...a desktop model thats real cute...and of
course the cadillac of computers: Apple :)
I built my own damn box...Gates hasn't seized power of anything.
>>>>>>>They cheated anyway, They had a second to cut their head off for them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>but who cut off his head eh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Their next of kin?
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't think Bushis were alowed to have them.
>>>>>
>>>>Wahats teh Bushis?
>>>
>>>the warriors who follow the way of the Bushidio, which is theway of
>>>the warrior.
>>>
>>Oh...the Bushido code & all that. I need to read '47 Ronin' sometime...
>
>Toshiro ono is in all japanese filsm, It's like a law.
>
Any relation to Yoko?
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the Muzzle loading Jackal
Do bows and arrows count as technology?
What about flint kives?
>>>
>>>>>>But that it is antidemratic, In theory anyone who is eliglbe can run
>>>>>>if they want to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Sure. You know that Snoopy gets a few votes a year?
>>>>>
>>>>>>These people just want to reinforce the two party monopoly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Well...us liberals really really really want to oust Bush. Theres been a
>>>*huge*
>>>>>backlash against his opressive & exploitative policies.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, But will Kerry be any better?
>>>>I don';t think so...
>>>>
>>>Sell me on who *you* think is better.
>>>Pitch me....hard.
>>
>>Both kerry and bush were educated at yale, both come from wealthy
>>families. Both are very rich and donated to by corps.
>>
>Yep. And now that you've run out of similarities let me highlight the
>differences;
>Kerry- three time purple heart & silver star decorated 'Nam vet.
People can only vote once every 4 years, but the rich can corrupt
every polotican which comes along with their money.
Why don't you look at people who donate to the democratic party and
kerrys campiegn?
oh! look! It's the same rich people and companies who donate to the
republicans.
Banks, GM compnanies... and more.
Do you think they are hedgeing their bets?
>Bush- awol during his National Guard duties.
>Kerry- Good voting record on the enviroment.
>Bush- horrible record on the enviroment and hand-picks science staffers that
>share his ideology.
Kerry voted for the USA Patriot Act, he voted for Bush’s "No Child
Left Behind" education bill, and he voted to authorize Bush to go to
war against Iraq for oil.
If he supports a war on iraq for oil, Do you really think that he
seriously cares about renewables?
He says one thing, Does another...
Sounds to me like he's a pure oppurtunist. He goes with what be
popular to get himself into a posuition of power, And then once he's
there, He does whatever the rich tell him to do.
>>Kerry has not made any concrete promises to raise taxes or even get
>>rids of bushs tax cuts.
>>
>Kerry is a waffler to be sure.
Deflection eh?
>But his overall record is pro-enviroment.
>And thats the issue thats most important to me :)
In 2000, after Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) introduced a labeling law
that would have given Americans the right to know whether the foods
they ate contained genetically modified organisms, Kerry refused to
support that bill.
The law firm of Mintz, Levin, Cohn, et. al., specializes in
biotechnology law. One of their most important clients is Monsanto.
Mintz, Levin, Cohn has acted as counsel in funding biotech
acquisitions by raising nearly $800 million. Mintz, Levin & Cohn also
represents Monsanto in PCB litigation.
Guess what? in campaign donations from 1997 through 2002, Mintz, Levin
& Cohn gave. $54,700 to kerry.
Monsanto, the GM crop compny, Own kerry.
You cannot think about polotics in terms of single issues.
A candidtate is a complete package.
Kerry is the rich and privliged yale educated son of a wealthy family.
Bush is the rich and privliaged yale educate son of a wealthy family.
Not much difference when you look at it like that eh?
>>He hasn't even said he';ll do anything about the patrioat act.
>>
>He has said that when the so-called Patriot act sunsets (comes up for reveiw)
>in '05 that he won't support it.
He supported it originaly did he not?
If he truly didn't belive in it, He would have never supported it.
>>Kerry is attacking bush from the RIGHT not the left.
>>
>He's hitting Bush where it hurts: jobs & the enviroment.
bush is nothing more than a pimple on the buttock of capitlism.
The fualt lies with capitlism itself, Not bush.
>>He said this in a speech on friday:
>>
>>"...I don’t fault George Bush for doing too much in the war on
>>terror... I believe he has done too little.... George Bush has no
>>comprehensive strategy for victory in the war on terror, only an ad
>>hoc strategy to keep our enemies at bay. If I am commander in chief, I
>>would wage that war by putting in place a strategy to win it..."
>>
>Soundls like he's saying he has an exit strategy whereas Bush has none.
Read it again.
he says "win it", not "exist strategy".
He talks about the War on terror as though it were a real thing, not
just an excuse to quash civili libeerties.
>>Hoorah! even more attacks on civil liberties under kerry!!!
>>
>>"As president, I pledge to you, I’ll never wait for a green light from
>>abroad, from any other institution"
>>
>Um...that sounds like a mis-quote.
No, He really said that.
http://truthout.org/docs_04/022904B.shtml
Kerry also said:
"Allies give us more hands in the struggle, but no president would
ever let them tie our hands and prevent us from doing what must be
done,"
""I will be prepared to use military force to protect our security,
our people and our vital interests"
For vital interests, Read "oil and profit"
>>Hoorah! unilaterlism! Just like bush!
>>
>>He supported involving the CIA directly in domestic police spying,
>>which he described as an effort to "break down the barriers between
>>national intelligence and local law enforcement."
>>
>Sounds like post-9/11 rhetoric.
>I think he's more the civil libertarian than Bush is though.
"I don’t fault George Bush for doing too much in the war on terror,I
believe he has done too little...."
That's what kerry said.
If he thinks what shrub has done is "too little", then what twisted
visisions does he have for the future?
>>He also endorsed the isreali apartheid wall to divide palestine into
>>ghettos.
>>
>So do I :) Good fences make good neighbors.
Umm... You do realise that ISreal was originaly founded on land that
belonged to the palestians?
That the palestiains were ethnicaly cleansed, Forced from their homes
and killed.
over 4 million palestionan refugees live in camps.
Would you support building walls across new york to keep poor black
people away from rich whites?
Cos that is exactly analgous to isrealis secruity wall.
The rich isrealis want to keep poor palestians out and away from their
original land.
>>Kerry is bascialy just adopting Bushes agenda so that the corperate
>>elite will get behind him instead of bush.
>>
>THen why isn't the corporate elite giving him the money?
>Bush gets the lions share of corporate lobbyists money.
>Try again.
Mintz, Levin & Cohn, The Monsanto lawyers gave kerry $112,250 this
year.
just because he gets slightly, less than bush, that doesn;t make him
any less beholden.
That they give him money at all makes him their tool.
Go and look who is donateing to kerry... Most corps hedge their bets
and donate to both anyway... Doesnt make him any less beholden...
>>Even if Kerry wins, The attacks on Civil liberties and the "war on
>>terror" will continue.
>>
>Um...no.
But he supported the patriot act, You know as well as I that what
poloticans promose at election time is worthless.
>>I wonder what America we will see in ten years time.
>>
>Who knows? If it continues on the path its on then we'll have a two tiered
>society with a ruling class and serfs.
>Just like the politically unstable south america.
South america was raped by the spanish.
>>>>>>Um... It was from a squirty bottle of toilet cleaner, The nozzle was
>>>>>>blocked or something and I was peering down it and sqeeuzeing, I guess
>>>>>>i'm just lucky none went in my eyes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Thats like looking into a water hose in a Three Stooges movie...its just
>>>>>something you dont do :)
>>>>
>>>>I didn't think, Like when I leant up againt the hot radioart, and my
>>>>coat started smokeing. It smelt like marzipan.
>>>>
>>>PLEASE BE CAREFUL.
>>>TIA
>>
>>I always wear rubber gloves! That saves me!
>>
>Not from vapors...
I pull my collar up over my face for that. It's artifical fibres, They
will filer out toxins.
>>>>Apparantly, According to a book I'm readin, Teh US goverment, They had
>>>>people inject terminal patients with plutonium, back in the days of
>>>>the manhatter project, To see what it did (um... kill them)
>>>>
>>>THey wanted to make sure that radiation would be a good killin device when
>they
>>>dropped the big one.
>>
>>They already knew that since the african slave labour used to mine the
>>uranium in the belgian congo died. a lot.
>>
>When it comes to the government & killin...their motto is 'you can never be too
>sure'.
They injected Elephants with LSD at one point.
>>>>>>>>They had a special one in Scotland, It was operated by the whole
>>>>>>>>village crowd pulling on it, so if you thought the person was
>>>>>>>>innocent, you could not pull, If so, All heave together now!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The middle east was still in the "stone age"...get it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>I guess you didnt...
>>>>
>>>>I think I was stoned.
>>>>
>>>Wear your burkha then...
>>
>>A british jounalist who got kidnapped by the taleban converted to
>>islam and said that she realises that it's now THE BESTEST THING EVER!
>>
>Is she still being held hostage?
No, she came back ages ago, But there was an intervie with her in the
newspaper, she was waearing a thing, that's one step down from a
burkha.
She droned on and on about how islam is the answer to everything.
I bet a "proper" muslim wouldn't say those kind of things.
>>>>
>>>>And how come all the evil people were asian, Arabic or black or orcs
>>>>and all the goodies were all without exception white?
>>>>
>>>StarWars was cited for the whole Jar Jar is a black slave type & the d00ds
>who
>>>invaded his homeworld were Japanese in character and accents etc.
>>>I thot Jar Jar would make a good saturday morning cartoon...he's so cute &
>>>loveable :)
>>
>>In a made to sell merchandise kind of way...
>>
>Sure...Jar Jar cereal to debut soon :)
They have a cerial with a friendly wolf on it here. they are breakfast
cookies. They have approx 600 calroies per bowfulful with milk IIRC.
>>>>>>I was listening to a band called "Axehammer", they opened with Slayer
>>>>>>once. Slayer... well, You know them I'm sure, But axehammer...
>>>>>>Vanished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I blame the Bermuda Triangle...and lack of a insider in the radio industry.
>>>>
>>>>Apparantly, People didn't like the vocalist, They'd hecled him
>>>>"get back to the opera!" they'd say. (according to the booklet with
>>>>their onlly album)
>>>>
>>>Theres a new band called the Darkening (I may be wrong) that has a singer who
>>>reminds me of Freddy Mercury in his abilities. They're very campy &
>funny...but
>>>the guitar work is AWSUM!!!!
>>>
>>>>Life can be cruel for fat vocalists.
>>>>
>>>MeatLoaf was ok...the guy in Blues Traveler has done pretty well...
>>>John Popper IIRC...
>>
>>"Thyrfing" too, But then they all have long hair and beards.
>>
>What a name.
It's Swedish for something, They shout and lot and have very bouncy
Folk Metal type stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I understand the rudimentary concepts...except for the math parts...
>>>>
>>>>I don't! expecpt that there might be multiple univ4erers!?!?!
>>>>
>>>Think Many MANY donut shaped universes some of which occupy the same space &
>>>some are merely intersecting...or something...
>>
>>So sometimes, when you drive into a backwater town, you are in fact
>>driveing into a nother universe?!?
>>
>It can sure seem that way. TexASS is a prime example :)
>"Its like a whole 'nuther universe".
Texas would notbe possible without air conditioning.
>>>>>>>>I fear the new knowledge!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I fear...being beat up by angry hoards...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Of rightous citizenry?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Of angry furries & weres who Ive alienated via my scathing and painfully
>>>>>accurate critiques...
>>>>>FURRY TERRORISTS!
>>>>
>>>>What if they just lauged at you and said that they liked be lonely and
>>>>miserable and therefore pretending to be a fish?
>>>>
>>>I think they hate being made aware of what I feel is the root-cause of their
>>>"obsession". No one likes to have their inadequacies pointed out to them :(
>>
>>I like the art, but I don't like supersution.
>>
>I like the whole questioning reality and yearing for a genuine self identity
>thingy...but I dislike the hypocracy :)
Self indentity is simple, yet in todays words, Where we are dosed with
conflictin things it is not.
one the one hand, We are told that being true to our roots etc is
important,
Yet adverts tell us that we can buy an indtity.
>>>>>I think its better than Bush's Junk Science.
>>>>
>>>>Like mCdonalds Junk food!
>>>>
>>>They just announced that they're fazing out the "supersize" items.
>>>Heh...
>>
>>Maybe cowshitless burgers next?
>>
>Only if they suceed in growning beef muscle tissue in petrie dishes.
>Just grow the patty in vats in labs...
That would be more expensive that just cowing things I fear...
>>>>>>>>What is the "b" word?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>B-yatch? Buh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Maybe Bitch. I'm not sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Bollocks.
>>>>
>>>>The sex pistols!
>>>>
>>>Never mind them then ;)
>>
>>You filth.
>>
>God save the Queen & her fascist regime :)
David blunkket!
GHe's blind, But still a fascist¬!
>>>>>>Well, They used to tell me to go and "study in the libary" when I
>>>>>>asked questions like "how do you know that this god is more valid than
>>>>>>any other god?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>They were aware of your superior intellect & realised that it would only
>>>flower
>>>>>in the library?
>>>>
>>>>well, I nearly got thrown out a few times of school for being
>>>>"mouthy".
>>>>
>>>Some people just accept all the crap that authority pitches to them.
>>>Some people actually think about it first...
>>
>>Well, they had it in for me, I saw the women at a supermarket, I
>>loudly commented that it was "that dreadful women", people stared at
>>both I and her. She ignored.
>>
>We're all against you Dave, you just havenn't figured it out yet :)
If you're not with me, You're against me.
>>>>>>I have a linux partition on my HD, But Windows XP works Okay, But I
>>>>>>instralled linux after windows XP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Thats the only way to do it. If you have linux sitting there already M$
>won't
>>>>>install properly.
>>>>
>>>>ON purpose or just cos its crap?
>>>>
>>>It specifically checks to see if non-dos partitions exist on your disc.
>>>ITS RUBBISH!
>>
>>That is bad. I worry about this new device to prevent you ruynning
>>anything except for "microsoft certified" programs.
>>
>Thats impossible. The whole .net thing is dead...people wouldnt stand for it.
>Linux & unix and Palm/BeOs will always be around and companies like Sun are
>making computers that run their OS...a desktop model thats real cute...and of
>course the cadillac of computers: Apple :)
>I built my own damn box...Gates hasn't seized power of anything.
I paid a local company to build my box for me. They were good, When I
accidently installed some new RAM the wrong way and fried it. They
replaced all the RAM for free.
Unforuntaly, Before I took the compuer in to them, I used a program to
"hide" all my fury pr0n, but When I got it back, I couldn't find it
again. To this day... two yeasr wroth, gone!
>>>>>>>>They cheated anyway, They had a second to cut their head off for them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>but who cut off his head eh?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Their next of kin?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't think Bushis were alowed to have them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Wahats teh Bushis?
>>>>
>>>>the warriors who follow the way of the Bushidio, which is theway of
>>>>the warrior.
>>>>
>>>Oh...the Bushido code & all that. I need to read '47 Ronin' sometime...
>>
>>Toshiro ono is in all japanese filsm, It's like a law.
>>
>Any relation to Yoko?
most people in hapan share just 2 surnames. Ono and Ohyes!
§ńühwřŁf
Yep. Hand to hand combat. Biggest, strongest, fastest wins.
>>>>
>>>>>>>But that it is antidemratic, In theory anyone who is eliglbe can run
>>>>>>>if they want to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sure. You know that Snoopy gets a few votes a year?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>These people just want to reinforce the two party monopoly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well...us liberals really really really want to oust Bush. Theres been a
>>>>*huge*
>>>>>>backlash against his opressive & exploitative policies.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, But will Kerry be any better?
>>>>>I don';t think so...
>>>>>
>>>>Sell me on who *you* think is better.
>>>>Pitch me....hard.
>>>
>>>Both kerry and bush were educated at yale, both come from wealthy
>>>families. Both are very rich and donated to by corps.
>>>
>>Yep. And now that you've run out of similarities let me highlight the
>>differences;
>>Kerry- three time purple heart & silver star decorated 'Nam vet.
>
>People can only vote once every 4 years, but the rich can corrupt
>every polotican which comes along with their money.
>
PAC's....it;s all about that corporate lobbying dollar baby...
>Why don't you look at people who donate to the democratic party and
>kerrys campiegn?
>
Yeah, your Average Joe...not your corporate fat cat.
>oh! look! It's the same rich people and companies who donate to the
>republicans.
>
Somewhat, as the corp's who donate try and play *both* sides of the fence. But
the lions share goes to the Republicans.
>Banks, GM compnanies... and more.
>
>Do you think they are hedgeing their bets?
>
Of course :)
Its what lobbyists do.
>>Bush- awol during his National Guard duties.
>>Kerry- Good voting record on the enviroment.
>>Bush- horrible record on the enviroment and hand-picks science staffers that
>>share his ideology.
>
>Kerry voted for the USA Patriot Act, he voted for Bush’s "No Child
>Left Behind" education bill, and he voted to authorize Bush to go to
>war against Iraq for oil.
>
Ok...but like I said; Patriot sunsets in '05 and Bush has said repeatedly that
he'll support furthering it, Kerry has said its time is over.
>If he supports a war on iraq for oil, Do you really think that he
>seriously cares about renewables?
>
Yes. His record on the enviroment is much better than Bushes.
>He says one thing, Does another...
>
>Sounds to me like he's a pure oppurtunist. He goes with what be
>popular to get himself into a posuition of power, And then once he's
>there, He does whatever the rich tell him to do.
>
Ummmm...no.
>>>Kerry has not made any concrete promises to raise taxes or even get
>>>rids of bushs tax cuts.
>>>
>>Kerry is a waffler to be sure.
>
>Deflection eh?
>
Being honest gets you bad points now?
Then I guess you've been lieing to me & the rest of us all along right, Dave?
>>But his overall record is pro-enviroment.
>>And thats the issue thats most important to me :)
>
>In 2000, after Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) introduced a labeling law
>that would have given Americans the right to know whether the foods
>they ate contained genetically modified organisms, Kerry refused to
>support that bill.
>
>The law firm of Mintz, Levin, Cohn, et. al., specializes in
>biotechnology law. One of their most important clients is Monsanto.
>
>Mintz, Levin, Cohn has acted as counsel in funding biotech
>acquisitions by raising nearly $800 million. Mintz, Levin & Cohn also
>represents Monsanto in PCB litigation.
>
>Guess what? in campaign donations from 1997 through 2002, Mintz, Levin
>& Cohn gave. $54,700 to kerry.
>
>Monsanto, the GM crop compny, Own kerry.
>
>You cannot think about polotics in terms of single issues.
>A candidtate is a complete package.
>
>Kerry is the rich and privliged yale educated son of a wealthy family.
>
>Bush is the rich and privliaged yale educate son of a wealthy family.
>
>Not much difference when you look at it like that eh?
>
You've obviously been lieing to me & misrepresenting youself from the get go
havent you?
You're on your own now dave...btw, thanks for showing your true colors so
blatantly & well :)
>>>He hasn't even said he';ll do anything about the patrioat act.
>>>
>>He has said that when the so-called Patriot act sunsets (comes up for reveiw)
>>in '05 that he won't support it.
>
>He supported it originaly did he not?
>
Duh. But the original act had a sunset clause. Or are you too stupid to
understand that concept you mental midget?
>If he truly didn't belive in it, He would have never supported it.
>
Sure...how many politicians voted against it? It passed with an overwhelming
majority in both the house and the senate.
>>>Kerry is attacking bush from the RIGHT not the left.
>>>
>>He's hitting Bush where it hurts: jobs & the enviroment.
>
>bush is nothing more than a pimple on the buttock of capitlism.
>
You're minimalising his role in the current downfall of America.
How *not* supprising :)
>The fualt lies with capitlism itself, Not bush.
>
I no longer believe *anything* you spew.
Now lie & spin lots more :)
>>>He said this in a speech on friday:
>>>
>>>"...I don’t fault George Bush for doing too much in the war on
>>>terror... I believe he has done too little.... George Bush has no
>>>comprehensive strategy for victory in the war on terror, only an ad
>>>hoc strategy to keep our enemies at bay. If I am commander in chief, I
>>>would wage that war by putting in place a strategy to win it..."
>>>
>>Soundls like he's saying he has an exit strategy whereas Bush has none.
>
>Read it again.
>he says "win it", not "exist strategy".
>
>He talks about the War on terror as though it were a real thing, not
>just an excuse to quash civili libeerties.
>
It is a real thing. Terrorists have attacked America at least twice you
dimbulb.
>>>Hoorah! even more attacks on civil liberties under kerry!!!
>>>
>>>"As president, I pledge to you, I’ll never wait for a green light from
>>>abroad, from any other institution"
>>>
>>Um...that sounds like a mis-quote.
>
>No, He really said that.
>
>http://truthout.org/docs_04/022904B.shtml
>
>Kerry also said:
>
>"Allies give us more hands in the struggle, but no president would
>ever let them tie our hands and prevent us from doing what must be
>done,"
>
Which means?
>""I will be prepared to use military force to protect our security,
>our people and our vital interests"
>
>For vital interests, Read "oil and profit"
>
Uh huh. I'm voting for Kerry. If you don't like it you can kiss my ass :)
>>>Hoorah! unilaterlism! Just like bush!
>>>
>>>He supported involving the CIA directly in domestic police spying,
>>>which he described as an effort to "break down the barriers between
>>>national intelligence and local law enforcement."
>>>
>>Sounds like post-9/11 rhetoric.
>>I think he's more the civil libertarian than Bush is though.
>
>"I don’t fault George Bush for doing too much in the war on terror,I
>believe he has done too little...."
>
He did do too little. He went after the wrong guy.
>That's what kerry said.
>
>If he thinks what shrub has done is "too little", then what twisted
>visisions does he have for the future?
>
"Shrub"? Since when do you use that term to refer to Bush?
Go pitch your lies to somwon else, traitor.
>>>He also endorsed the isreali apartheid wall to divide palestine into
>>>ghettos.
>>>
>>So do I :) Good fences make good neighbors.
>
>Umm... You do realise that ISreal was originaly founded on land that
>belonged to the palestians?
>
And?
>That the palestiains were ethnicaly cleansed, Forced from their homes
>and killed.
>
No kidding?
>over 4 million palestionan refugees live in camps.
>
Wow.
>Would you support building walls across new york to keep poor black
>people away from rich whites?
>
Of course not straw man sculptor.
>Cos that is exactly analgous to isrealis secruity wall.
>
Nope. Blacks arnt suicide bombing rich whites.
Try again.
>The rich isrealis want to keep poor palestians out and away from their
>original land.
>
I know. I dont have the answers, you?
>>>Kerry is bascialy just adopting Bushes agenda so that the corperate
>>>elite will get behind him instead of bush.
>>>
>>THen why isn't the corporate elite giving him the money?
>>Bush gets the lions share of corporate lobbyists money.
>>Try again.
>
>Mintz, Levin & Cohn, The Monsanto lawyers gave kerry $112,250 this
>year.
>
How much did they give the republican party?
>just because he gets slightly, less than bush, that doesn;t make him
>any less beholden.
>
>That they give him money at all makes him their tool.
>
Then lets throw our vote away on Ralph Nader.
BRILLIANT!
Spew more crap lots now :)
>Go and look who is donateing to kerry... Most corps hedge their bets
>and donate to both anyway... Doesnt make him any less beholden...
>
I'm well aware of the situation. I'm looking at his voting record on the
enviroment.
You're not even american, wtf do you care?
>>>Even if Kerry wins, The attacks on Civil liberties and the "war on
>>>terror" will continue.
>>>
>>Um...no.
>
>But he supported the patriot act, You know as well as I that what
>poloticans promose at election time is worthless.
>
He's stated that he's not in favor of reinstateing it silly.
>>>I wonder what America we will see in ten years time.
>>>
>>Who knows? If it continues on the path its on then we'll have a two tiered
>>society with a ruling class and serfs.
>>Just like the politically unstable south america.
>
>South america was raped by the spanish.
>
South america is in the sights of the Bush admin since it has oil reserves.
Deal w/ that.
>>>>>>>Um... It was from a squirty bottle of toilet cleaner, The nozzle was
>>>>>>>blocked or something and I was peering down it and sqeeuzeing, I guess
>>>>>>>i'm just lucky none went in my eyes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thats like looking into a water hose in a Three Stooges movie...its just
>>>>>>something you dont do :)
>>>>>
>>>>>I didn't think, Like when I leant up againt the hot radioart, and my
>>>>>coat started smokeing. It smelt like marzipan.
>>>>>
>>>>PLEASE BE CAREFUL.
>>>>TIA
>>>
>>>I always wear rubber gloves! That saves me!
>>>
>>Not from vapors...
>
>I pull my collar up over my face for that. It's artifical fibres, They
>will filer out toxins.
>
You're an idiot.
>>>>>Apparantly, According to a book I'm readin, Teh US goverment, They had
>>>>>people inject terminal patients with plutonium, back in the days of
>>>>>the manhatter project, To see what it did (um... kill them)
>>>>>
>>>>THey wanted to make sure that radiation would be a good killin device when
>>they
>>>>dropped the big one.
>>>
>>>They already knew that since the african slave labour used to mine the
>>>uranium in the belgian congo died. a lot.
>>>
>>When it comes to the government & killin...their motto is 'you can never be
too
>>sure'.
>
>They injected Elephants with LSD at one point.
>
American government agents & officials have done numerous stupid things.
I predict they will in future as well.
>>>>>>>>>They had a special one in Scotland, It was operated by the whole
>>>>>>>>>village crowd pulling on it, so if you thought the person was
>>>>>>>>>innocent, you could not pull, If so, All heave together now!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The middle east was still in the "stone age"...get it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I guess you didnt...
>>>>>
>>>>>I think I was stoned.
>>>>>
>>>>Wear your burkha then...
>>>
>>>A british jounalist who got kidnapped by the taleban converted to
>>>islam and said that she realises that it's now THE BESTEST THING EVER!
>>>
>>Is she still being held hostage?
>
>No, she came back ages ago, But there was an intervie with her in the
>newspaper, she was waearing a thing, that's one step down from a
>burkha.
>
>She droned on and on about how islam is the answer to everything.
>
>I bet a "proper" muslim wouldn't say those kind of things.
>
She got brainwashed or she liked what she saw.
I really dont care.
>>>>>
>>>>>And how come all the evil people were asian, Arabic or black or orcs
>>>>>and all the goodies were all without exception white?
>>>>>
>>>>StarWars was cited for the whole Jar Jar is a black slave type & the d00ds
>>who
>>>>invaded his homeworld were Japanese in character and accents etc.
>>>>I thot Jar Jar would make a good saturday morning cartoon...he's so cute &
>>>>loveable :)
>>>
>>>In a made to sell merchandise kind of way...
>>>
>>Sure...Jar Jar cereal to debut soon :)
>
>They have a cerial with a friendly wolf on it here. they are breakfast
>cookies. They have approx 600 calroies per bowfulful with milk IIRC.
>
Ok.
>>>>>>>I was listening to a band called "Axehammer", they opened with Slayer
>>>>>>>once. Slayer... well, You know them I'm sure, But axehammer...
>>>>>>>Vanished.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I blame the Bermuda Triangle...and lack of a insider in the radio
industry.
>>>>>
>>>>>Apparantly, People didn't like the vocalist, They'd hecled him
>>>>>"get back to the opera!" they'd say. (according to the booklet with
>>>>>their onlly album)
>>>>>
>>>>Theres a new band called the Darkening (I may be wrong) that has a singer
who
>>>>reminds me of Freddy Mercury in his abilities. They're very campy &
>>funny...but
>>>>the guitar work is AWSUM!!!!
>>>>
>>>>>Life can be cruel for fat vocalists.
>>>>>
>>>>MeatLoaf was ok...the guy in Blues Traveler has done pretty well...
>>>>John Popper IIRC...
>>>
>>>"Thyrfing" too, But then they all have long hair and beards.
>>>
>>What a name.
>
>It's Swedish for something, They shout and lot and have very bouncy
>Folk Metal type stuff.
>
How original.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I understand the rudimentary concepts...except for the math parts...
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't! expecpt that there might be multiple univ4erers!?!?!
>>>>>
>>>>Think Many MANY donut shaped universes some of which occupy the same space
&
>>>>some are merely intersecting...or something...
>>>
>>>So sometimes, when you drive into a backwater town, you are in fact
>>>driveing into a nother universe?!?
>>>
>>It can sure seem that way. TexASS is a prime example :)
>>"Its like a whole 'nuther universe".
>
>Texas would notbe possible without air conditioning.
>
Or inbreeding.
>>>>>>>>>I fear the new knowledge!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I fear...being beat up by angry hoards...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Of rightous citizenry?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Of angry furries & weres who Ive alienated via my scathing and painfully
>>>>>>accurate critiques...
>>>>>>FURRY TERRORISTS!
>>>>>
>>>>>What if they just lauged at you and said that they liked be lonely and
>>>>>miserable and therefore pretending to be a fish?
>>>>>
>>>>I think they hate being made aware of what I feel is the root-cause of
their
>>>>"obsession". No one likes to have their inadequacies pointed out to them :(
>>>
>>>I like the art, but I don't like supersution.
>>>
>>I like the whole questioning reality and yearing for a genuine self identity
>>thingy...but I dislike the hypocracy :)
>
>Self indentity is simple, yet in todays words, Where we are dosed with
>conflictin things it is not.
>
>one the one hand, We are told that being true to our roots etc is
>important,
>
>Yet adverts tell us that we can buy an indtity.
>
Its an american tradition to re-invent oneself.
Bush reinvented himself as a ACE FIGHTER PILOT!
>>>>>>I think its better than Bush's Junk Science.
>>>>>
>>>>>Like mCdonalds Junk food!
>>>>>
>>>>They just announced that they're fazing out the "supersize" items.
>>>>Heh...
>>>
>>>Maybe cowshitless burgers next?
>>>
>>Only if they suceed in growning beef muscle tissue in petrie dishes.
>>Just grow the patty in vats in labs...
>
>That would be more expensive that just cowing things I fear...
>
0_o
You just figured that out?
>>>>>>>I have a linux partition on my HD, But Windows XP works Okay, But I
>>>>>>>instralled linux after windows XP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thats the only way to do it. If you have linux sitting there already M$
>>won't
>>>>>>install properly.
>>>>>
>>>>>ON purpose or just cos its crap?
>>>>>
>>>>It specifically checks to see if non-dos partitions exist on your disc.
>>>>ITS RUBBISH!
>>>
>>>That is bad. I worry about this new device to prevent you ruynning
>>>anything except for "microsoft certified" programs.
>>>
>>Thats impossible. The whole .net thing is dead...people wouldnt stand for it.
>>Linux & unix and Palm/BeOs will always be around and companies like Sun are
>>making computers that run their OS...a desktop model thats real cute...and of
>>course the cadillac of computers: Apple :)
>>I built my own damn box...Gates hasn't seized power of anything.
>
>I paid a local company to build my box for me. They were good, When I
>accidently installed some new RAM the wrong way and fried it. They
>replaced all the RAM for free.
>
>Unforuntaly, Before I took the compuer in to them, I used a program to
>"hide" all my fury pr0n, but When I got it back, I couldn't find it
>again. To this day... two yeasr wroth, gone!
>
Burn your "critical" files to cd's then.
>>>>>>>>>They cheated anyway, They had a second to cut their head off for them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>but who cut off his head eh?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Their next of kin?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't think Bushis were alowed to have them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wahats teh Bushis?
>>>>>
>>>>>the warriors who follow the way of the Bushidio, which is theway of
>>>>>the warrior.
>>>>>
>>>>Oh...the Bushido code & all that. I need to read '47 Ronin' sometime...
>>>
>>>Toshiro ono is in all japanese filsm, It's like a law.
>>>
>>Any relation to Yoko?
>
>most people in hapan share just 2 surnames. Ono and Ohyes!
>
Inbred folks the japanese...
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the Muzzle loading Jackal
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>>>>>>>>But that it is antidemratic, In theory anyone who is eliglbe can run
>>>>>>>>if they want to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sure. You know that Snoopy gets a few votes a year?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>These people just want to reinforce the two party monopoly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well...us liberals really really really want to oust Bush. Theres been a
>>>>>*huge*
>>>>>>>backlash against his opressive & exploitative policies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah, But will Kerry be any better?
>>>>>>I don';t think so...
>>>>>>
>>>>>Sell me on who *you* think is better.
>>>>>Pitch me....hard.
>>>>
>>>>Both kerry and bush were educated at yale, both come from wealthy
>>>>families. Both are very rich and donated to by corps.
>>>>
>>>Yep. And now that you've run out of similarities let me highlight the
>>>differences;
>>>Kerry- three time purple heart & silver star decorated 'Nam vet.
>>
>>People can only vote once every 4 years, but the rich can corrupt
>>every polotican which comes along with their money.
>>
>PAC's....it;s all about that corporate lobbying dollar baby...
PAC's?
>>Why don't you look at people who donate to the democratic party and
>>kerrys campiegn?
>>
>Yeah, your Average Joe...not your corporate fat cat.
perhaps you SHOULD ACUTALLY LOOK?
perhaps you don't want to look...
>>oh! look! It's the same rich people and companies who donate to the
>>republicans.
>>
>Somewhat, as the corp's who donate try and play *both* sides of the fence. But
>the lions share goes to the Republicans.
You think kerry is going to be any less "greatful" to the people who
donate to him than bush is?
The rich can corrupt kerry with their cash. Any mainstram polotican
can be corrupted, Even Nader would be.
>>Banks, GM compnanies... and more.
>>
>>Do you think they are hedgeing their bets?
>>
>Of course :)
>Its what lobbyists do.
And you think kerry will disapoint them? Those who have given him lots
of money?
>>>Bush- awol during his National Guard duties.
>>>Kerry- Good voting record on the enviroment.
>>>Bush- horrible record on the enviroment and hand-picks science staffers that
>>>share his ideology.
>>
>>Kerry voted for the USA Patriot Act, he voted for Bush’s "No Child
>>Left Behind" education bill, and he voted to authorize Bush to go to
>>war against Iraq for oil.
>>
>Ok...but like I said; Patriot sunsets in '05 and Bush has said repeatedly that
>he'll support furthering it, Kerry has said its time is over.
But do you really think that a poloticans promises at election time
are worth anything at all?
The Labour goverment here, Has reneged on almost EVERY SINGLE ONE of
their election promises.
They'll say anything to make you vote for them.
And Why did kerry vote for it in the first place? If he truly cared
about civil rights, he would have never supported it.
Since the patriot act was in itself, a massive assualt on civil
rights.
>>If he supports a war on iraq for oil, Do you really think that he
>>seriously cares about renewables?
>>
>Yes. His record on the enviroment is much better than Bushes.
Except when it comes to GM crop companies and their attempts to
control the Food chain eh?
>>He says one thing, Does another...
>>
>>Sounds to me like he's a pure oppurtunist. He goes with what be
>>popular to get himself into a posuition of power, And then once he's
>>there, He does whatever the rich tell him to do.
>>
>Ummmm...no.
But he takes the Corperate Shill from Monsanto...
>>>>Kerry has not made any concrete promises to raise taxes or even get
>>>>rids of bushs tax cuts.
>>>>
>>>Kerry is a waffler to be sure.
>>
>>Deflection eh?
>>
>Being honest gets you bad points now?
>Then I guess you've been lieing to me & the rest of us all along right, Dave?
I've always made my political views quite clear from the start.
I do not so any virtue in Bush, Nor do I see any Virtue in Kerry, nor
in Nader.
IMO, only socalism and Socalist parties will bring the change that is
needed.
>>>But his overall record is pro-enviroment.
>>>And thats the issue thats most important to me :)
>>
>>In 2000, after Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) introduced a labeling law
>>that would have given Americans the right to know whether the foods
>>they ate contained genetically modified organisms, Kerry refused to
>>support that bill.
>>
>>The law firm of Mintz, Levin, Cohn, et. al., specializes in
>>biotechnology law. One of their most important clients is Monsanto.
>>
>>Mintz, Levin, Cohn has acted as counsel in funding biotech
>>acquisitions by raising nearly $800 million. Mintz, Levin & Cohn also
>>represents Monsanto in PCB litigation.
>>
>>Guess what? in campaign donations from 1997 through 2002, Mintz, Levin
>>& Cohn gave. $54,700 to kerry.
>>
>>Monsanto, the GM crop compny, Own kerry.
>>
>>You cannot think about polotics in terms of single issues.
>>A candidtate is a complete package.
>>
>>Kerry is the rich and privliged yale educated son of a wealthy family.
>>
>>Bush is the rich and privliaged yale educate son of a wealthy family.
>>
>>Not much difference when you look at it like that eh?
>>
>You've obviously been lieing to me & misrepresenting youself from the get go
>havent you?
>You're on your own now dave...btw, thanks for showing your true colors so
>blatantly & well :)
Oh right, Do you think I'm some kind of bush/Nader shill whose been
posting here for the last 2 years in order to "mindfuck" you into
voteing bush or Nader or something?
Or is this an act in order to persuade certain people of something
that they can use?
>>>>He hasn't even said he';ll do anything about the patrioat act.
>>>>
>>>He has said that when the so-called Patriot act sunsets (comes up for reveiw)
>>>in '05 that he won't support it.
>>
>>He supported it originaly did he not?
>>
>Duh. But the original act had a sunset clause. Or are you too stupid to
>understand that concept you mental midget?
What you gonna do if he says that THE WAR ON TERROR needs to go on
even longer and the act needs to stay?
You know well as I, that what poloticans promise in election time
means nothing.
>>If he truly didn't belive in it, He would have never supported it.
>>
>Sure...how many politicians voted against it? It passed with an overwhelming
>majority in both the house and the senate.
That only proves that they're *all* rotten.
>>>>Kerry is attacking bush from the RIGHT not the left.
>>>>
>>>He's hitting Bush where it hurts: jobs & the enviroment.
>>
>>bush is nothing more than a pimple on the buttock of capitlism.
>>
>You're minimalising his role in the current downfall of America.
>How *not* supprising :)
Bush is bad, But he is the result of capitlism. Expect nothing better
from it.
Bush represents the most Greedy elements of the ruleing classes, He
himself is criminal, But he is nothing without their backing.
The differences between the democrats and repuibkicans are purely
tactical.
The republicans are so greedyt, They're stupid with it, Like bush
goverment.
But the democrats would move slower, Yet no less inexaborly in the
direction of more corperate shill goverment.
>>The fualt lies with capitlism itself, Not bush.
>>
>I no longer believe *anything* you spew.
>Now lie & spin lots more :)
Bush is a broken product from broken machinary.
If you use broken machinary, You're going to get broken products.
>>>>He said this in a speech on friday:
>>>>
>>>>"...I don’t fault George Bush for doing too much in the war on
>>>>terror... I believe he has done too little.... George Bush has no
>>>>comprehensive strategy for victory in the war on terror, only an ad
>>>>hoc strategy to keep our enemies at bay. If I am commander in chief, I
>>>>would wage that war by putting in place a strategy to win it..."
>>>>
>>>Soundls like he's saying he has an exit strategy whereas Bush has none.
>>
>>Read it again.
>>he says "win it", not "exist strategy".
>>
>>He talks about the War on terror as though it were a real thing, not
>>just an excuse to quash civili libeerties.
>>
>It is a real thing. Terrorists have attacked America at least twice you
>dimbulb.
the CIA supported and helped Gen. Pinochet to overthrow a
democraticaly elected goverment. 30,000 died under pinochets rule.
American goverment Supoprted the dictator, The Shah of iran, and
helped him to suppress democracy. This led to the iranian revolution.
Ameircan agents helped the military dictatorhop
Eisenhower supported rebels in Gutamala to overthrow ademocratical
elected goverment. over 250,000 died as a direct result of american
actions.
Why do no american poloticans talk of the need to make war on the
terrorists among their own ranks?
>>>>Hoorah! even more attacks on civil liberties under kerry!!!
>>>>
>>>>"As president, I pledge to you, I’ll never wait for a green light from
>>>>abroad, from any other institution"
>>>>
>>>Um...that sounds like a mis-quote.
>>
>>No, He really said that.
>>
>>http://truthout.org/docs_04/022904B.shtml
>>
>>Kerry also said:
>>
>>"Allies give us more hands in the struggle, but no president would
>>ever let them tie our hands and prevent us from doing what must be
>>done,"
>>
>Which means?
*cough* Unilaterism *cough*
>>""I will be prepared to use military force to protect our security,
>>our people and our vital interests"
>>
>>For vital interests, Read "oil and profit"
>>
>Uh huh. I'm voting for Kerry. If you don't like it you can kiss my ass :)
I don't think the electronic voteing machines will let you.
>>>>Hoorah! unilaterlism! Just like bush!
>>>>
>>>>He supported involving the CIA directly in domestic police spying,
>>>>which he described as an effort to "break down the barriers between
>>>>national intelligence and local law enforcement."
>>>>
>>>Sounds like post-9/11 rhetoric.
>>>I think he's more the civil libertarian than Bush is though.
>>
>>"I don’t fault George Bush for doing too much in the war on terror,I
>>believe he has done too little...."
>>
>He did do too little. He went after the wrong guy.
And the Right guy is?
*cough* Henry Kissenger *cough*
>>That's what kerry said.
>>
>>If he thinks what shrub has done is "too little", then what twisted
>>visisions does he have for the future?
>>
>"Shrub"? Since when do you use that term to refer to Bush?
>Go pitch your lies to somwon else, traitor.
um.... How can I be a traitor If I'm not american?
>>>>He also endorsed the isreali apartheid wall to divide palestine into
>>>>ghettos.
>>>>
>>>So do I :) Good fences make good neighbors.
>>
>>Umm... You do realise that ISreal was originaly founded on land that
>>belonged to the palestians?
>>
>And?
Is it wrong to steal other peoples land?
>>That the palestiains were ethnicaly cleansed, Forced from their homes
>>and killed.
>>
>No kidding?
do you think that you take up suicide bombing if it was the only way
you could fight the people who did that you?
>>over 4 million palestionan refugees live in camps.
>>
>Wow.
It's an injustice. HTH.
>>Would you support building walls across new york to keep poor black
>>people away from rich whites?
>>
>Of course not straw man sculptor.
>
>>Cos that is exactly analgous to isrealis secruity wall.
>>
>Nope. Blacks arnt suicide bombing rich whites.
>Try again.
The palestians are poor, The isralis rich.
The isrealis get rich from takeing palestian land.
The palestians are poor cos their land is taken.
White people get rich from cheap black labour, or even once, Slavery.
Black people stay poor, Because white people take the fruits of their
labour.
>>The rich isrealis want to keep poor palestians out and away from their
>>original land.
>>
>I know. I dont have the answers, you?
Perhaps a unity goverment based on not ghettotiseing palestianns, But
makeing them equal citizens alongside the isealis?
>>>>Kerry is bascialy just adopting Bushes agenda so that the corperate
>>>>elite will get behind him instead of bush.
>>>>
>>>THen why isn't the corporate elite giving him the money?
>>>Bush gets the lions share of corporate lobbyists money.
>>>Try again.
>>
>>Mintz, Levin & Cohn, The Monsanto lawyers gave kerry $112,250 this
>>year.
>>
>How much did they give the republican party?
I do not have the exact figures, But I know they gave more money to
bush than to kerry.
The republicans and Bush are just as eager to take the money as are
the democrats.
However, As I have already pointed out, They've given him money
anyway, It doesn't make him any less likely to do what they want him
to.
Indeed, They will just give him more money in the future if he wins,
Thus corrupting him more.
>>just because he gets slightly, less than bush, that doesn;t make him
>>any less beholden.
>>
>>That they give him money at all makes him their tool.
>>
>Then lets throw our vote away on Ralph Nader.
Umm... No. Abolish Capitlism, Replace it with a planned economy in
order that we can best control our enviromental impact by limiteing
growth, s
since it is growht, Exploiting new markets which damges the enviroment
most.
>>Go and look who is donateing to kerry... Most corps hedge their bets
>>and donate to both anyway... Doesnt make him any less beholden...
>>
>I'm well aware of the situation. I'm looking at his voting record on the
>enviroment.
Does not his support for GM food corps rather undermine that?
>You're not even american, wtf do you care?
Why would I bother to Take "American Studies" unless I was interested
in america and all aspects of it?
>>>>Even if Kerry wins, The attacks on Civil liberties and the "war on
>>>>terror" will continue.
>>>>
>>>Um...no.
>>
>>But he supported the patriot act, You know as well as I that what
>>poloticans promose at election time is worthless.
>>
>He's stated that he's not in favor of reinstateing it silly.
Bush says that he is in favour of civil liberities. However, He wants
a corperate dictatorship. Ashcroft et al.
Kerry claims to be against special interrests, Yet he takes money from
monsanto.
They are both liars.
>>>>I wonder what America we will see in ten years time.
>>>>
>>>Who knows? If it continues on the path its on then we'll have a two tiered
>>>society with a ruling class and serfs.
>>>Just like the politically unstable south america.
>>
>>South america was raped by the spanish.
>>
>South america is in the sights of the Bush admin since it has oil reserves.
>Deal w/ that.
The Bush goverment want to overthrow the leftwing adminstration of
Chavez, yes I know.
Venuzuala is the 5th largest oil exporter in the world IIRC.
They want the oil under their control.
>>>>>>>>Um... It was from a squirty bottle of toilet cleaner, The nozzle was
>>>>>>>>blocked or something and I was peering down it and sqeeuzeing, I guess
>>>>>>>>i'm just lucky none went in my eyes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thats like looking into a water hose in a Three Stooges movie...its just
>>>>>>>something you dont do :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I didn't think, Like when I leant up againt the hot radioart, and my
>>>>>>coat started smokeing. It smelt like marzipan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>PLEASE BE CAREFUL.
>>>>>TIA
>>>>
>>>>I always wear rubber gloves! That saves me!
>>>>
>>>Not from vapors...
>>
>>I pull my collar up over my face for that. It's artifical fibres, They
>>will filer out toxins.
>>
>You're an idiot.
Martyr me!
§ńühwřŁf
>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>>>>>>>>But that it is antidemratic, In theory anyone who is eliglbe can run
>>>>>>>>>if they want to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sure. You know that Snoopy gets a few votes a year?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>These people just want to reinforce the two party monopoly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well...us liberals really really really want to oust Bush. Theres been
a
>>>>>>*huge*
>>>>>>>>backlash against his opressive & exploitative policies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yeah, But will Kerry be any better?
>>>>>>>I don';t think so...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sell me on who *you* think is better.
>>>>>>Pitch me....hard.
>>>>>
>>>>>Both kerry and bush were educated at yale, both come from wealthy
>>>>>families. Both are very rich and donated to by corps.
>>>>>
>>>>Yep. And now that you've run out of similarities let me highlight the
>>>>differences;
>>>>Kerry- three time purple heart & silver star decorated 'Nam vet.
>>>
>>>People can only vote once every 4 years, but the rich can corrupt
>>>every polotican which comes along with their money.
>>>
>>PAC's....it;s all about that corporate lobbying dollar baby...
>
>PAC's?
>
Political Action Committies. You're failing american studies I see...
>>>Why don't you look at people who donate to the democratic party and
>>>kerrys campiegn?
>>>
>>Yeah, your Average Joe...not your corporate fat cat.
>
>perhaps you SHOULD ACUTALLY LOOK?
>
>perhaps you don't want to look...
>
Oh but I did :)
www.johnkerry.com will answer all your questions on why Kerry is right for
America in 2005!
>>>oh! look! It's the same rich people and companies who donate to the
>>>republicans.
>>>
>>Somewhat, as the corp's who donate try and play *both* sides of the fence.
But
>>the lions share goes to the Republicans.
>
>You think kerry is going to be any less "greatful" to the people who
>donate to him than bush is?
>
Yes.
>The rich can corrupt kerry with their cash. Any mainstram polotican
>can be corrupted, Even Nader would be.
>
Wrong.
>>>Banks, GM compnanies... and more.
>>>
>>>Do you think they are hedgeing their bets?
>>>
>>Of course :)
>>Its what lobbyists do.
>
>And you think kerry will disapoint them? Those who have given him lots
>of money?
Enviro groups donate...think about it :)
>>>>Bush- awol during his National Guard duties.
>>>>Kerry- Good voting record on the enviroment.
>>>>Bush- horrible record on the enviroment and hand-picks science staffers
that
>>>>share his ideology.
>>>
>>>Kerry voted for the USA Patriot Act, he voted for Bush’s "No Child
>>>Left Behind" education bill, and he voted to authorize Bush to go to
>>>war against Iraq for oil.
>>>
>>Ok...but like I said; Patriot sunsets in '05 and Bush has said repeatedly
that
>>he'll support furthering it, Kerry has said its time is over.
>
>But do you really think that a poloticans promises at election time
>are worth anything at all?
>
Sometimes.
>The Labour goverment here, Has reneged on almost EVERY SINGLE ONE of
>their election promises.
>
I feel your pain.
>They'll say anything to make you vote for them.
>
The bastards.
>And Why did kerry vote for it in the first place? If he truly cared
>about civil rights, he would have never supported it.
>
HE wen't with the tide. It was seemingly appropriate at the time. Now on
further consideration, he agrees its time has past.
Thats the mark of a true leader.
>Since the patriot act was in itself, a massive assualt on civil
>rights.
>
Yes, yes it is.
>>>If he supports a war on iraq for oil, Do you really think that he
>>>seriously cares about renewables?
>>>
>>Yes. His record on the enviroment is much better than Bushes.
>
>Except when it comes to GM crop companies and their attempts to
>control the Food chain eh?
>
Oh dear, you really need you some re-education on the subject of who is worse
to the enviroment:
http://www.bushgreenwatch.org/mt_archives/000067.php
>>>He says one thing, Does another...
>>>
>>>Sounds to me like he's a pure oppurtunist. He goes with what be
>>>popular to get himself into a posuition of power, And then once he's
>>>there, He does whatever the rich tell him to do.
>>>
>>Ummmm...no.
>
>But he takes the Corperate Shill from Monsanto...
>
As a democrat? So you're saying that the dems get some money from corps?
Duh.
>>>>>Kerry has not made any concrete promises to raise taxes or even get
>>>>>rids of bushs tax cuts.
>>>>>
>>>>Kerry is a waffler to be sure.
>>>
>>>Deflection eh?
>>>
>>Being honest gets you bad points now?
>>Then I guess you've been lieing to me & the rest of us all along right, Dave?
>
>I've always made my political views quite clear from the start.
>
Socialism wont work in america dear...
>I do not so any virtue in Bush, Nor do I see any Virtue in Kerry, nor
>in Nader.
>
So we sit on our hands and do nothing?
DOnt vote, huh?
Sorry, I'm voting for change: Kerry.
>IMO, only socalism and Socalist parties will bring the change that is
>needed.
>
And since they will never arrive...you can wait forever then.
You couldn't mindfuck a chimp. Much less me, your better :)
But I think you're arguing for not bothering to vote, which is very bad.
Voteing = democracy.
Your current grade in Am Studies: C-.
>Or is this an act in order to persuade certain people of something
>that they can use?
>
We're all against you Dave :)
>>>>>He hasn't even said he';ll do anything about the patrioat act.
>>>>>
>>>>He has said that when the so-called Patriot act sunsets (comes up for
reveiw)
>>>>in '05 that he won't support it.
>>>
>>>He supported it originaly did he not?
>>>
>>Duh. But the original act had a sunset clause. Or are you too stupid to
>>understand that concept you mental midget?
>
>What you gonna do if he says that THE WAR ON TERROR needs to go on
>even longer and the act needs to stay?
>
We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
>You know well as I, that what poloticans promise in election time
>means nothing.
>
Often that is true. I'm looking at one thing which is very important to me:
voting record on enviromental policy.
Bush looses there in a BIG way.
No contest.
>>>If he truly didn't belive in it, He would have never supported it.
>>>
>>Sure...how many politicians voted against it? It passed with an overwhelming
>>majority in both the house and the senate.
>
>That only proves that they're *all* rotten.
>
So we just ditch the system or like I think you mean: dont bother voting.
Sorry Dave, I gots my votin card & Ima gonna vote John Kerry.
So there, NYEAH :P
>>>>>Kerry is attacking bush from the RIGHT not the left.
>>>>>
>>>>He's hitting Bush where it hurts: jobs & the enviroment.
>>>
>>>bush is nothing more than a pimple on the buttock of capitlism.
>>>
>>You're minimalising his role in the current downfall of America.
>>How *not* supprising :)
>
>Bush is bad, But he is the result of capitlism. Expect nothing better
>from it.
>
I think that if the people's will gets some attention things will change for
the better.
We've been pandering to corporate interests for four years now and its been
VERY BAD for America.
>Bush represents the most Greedy elements of the ruleing classes, He
>himself is criminal, But he is nothing without their backing.
>
Yes, obviously.
>The differences between the democrats and repuibkicans are purely
>tactical.
>
ANd ideological.
>The republicans are so greedyt, They're stupid with it, Like bush
>goverment.
>
Uh huh...
>But the democrats would move slower, Yet no less inexaborly in the
>direction of more corperate shill goverment.
>
Not really. Only a few dems are calling for protectionism when it comes to the
jobs issue.
NO republicans are.
>>>The fualt lies with capitlism itself, Not bush.
>>>
>>I no longer believe *anything* you spew.
>>Now lie & spin lots more :)
>
>Bush is a broken product from broken machinary.
>
I agree :)
>If you use broken machinary, You're going to get broken products.
>
Uh huh. Thats why we need change: Kerry.
>>>>>He said this in a speech on friday:
>>>>>
>>>>>"...I don’t fault George Bush for doing too much in the war on
>>>>>terror... I believe he has done too little.... George Bush has no
>>>>>comprehensive strategy for victory in the war on terror, only an ad
>>>>>hoc strategy to keep our enemies at bay. If I am commander in chief, I
>>>>>would wage that war by putting in place a strategy to win it..."
>>>>>
>>>>Soundls like he's saying he has an exit strategy whereas Bush has none.
>>>
>>>Read it again.
>>>he says "win it", not "exist strategy".
>>>
>>>He talks about the War on terror as though it were a real thing, not
>>>just an excuse to quash civili libeerties.
>>>
>>It is a real thing. Terrorists have attacked America at least twice you
>>dimbulb.
>
>the CIA supported and helped Gen. Pinochet to overthrow a
>democraticaly elected goverment. 30,000 died under pinochets rule.
>
America meddles in the affairs of other countries and I'm not suprised that
some of them attack us...whats your point?
>American goverment Supoprted the dictator, The Shah of iran, and
>helped him to suppress democracy. This led to the iranian revolution.
>
Sure, Regan had Rumsfield or Ashcroft when they worked for him to carry a
letter to Saddam in the 80's. America has been fucking around there for ages &
its gotten us in deep shit.
>Ameircan agents helped the military dictatorhop
>
>Eisenhower supported rebels in Gutamala to overthrow ademocratical
>elected goverment. over 250,000 died as a direct result of american
>actions.
>
Yeah yeah yeah...
>Why do no american poloticans talk of the need to make war on the
>terrorists among their own ranks?
>
That would be addmitting wrong, no-one likes to do that :)
>>>>>Hoorah! even more attacks on civil liberties under kerry!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>"As president, I pledge to you, I’ll never wait for a green light from
>>>>>abroad, from any other institution"
>>>>>
>>>>Um...that sounds like a mis-quote.
>>>
>>>No, He really said that.
>>>
>>>http://truthout.org/docs_04/022904B.shtml
>>>
>>>Kerry also said:
>>>
>>>"Allies give us more hands in the struggle, but no president would
>>>ever let them tie our hands and prevent us from doing what must be
>>>done,"
>>>
>>Which means?
>
>*cough* Unilaterism *cough*
>
SO you're agaisnt that?
>>>""I will be prepared to use military force to protect our security,
>>>our people and our vital interests"
>>>
>>>For vital interests, Read "oil and profit"
>>>
>>Uh huh. I'm voting for Kerry. If you don't like it you can kiss my ass :)
>
>I don't think the electronic voteing machines will let you.
>
Probably not:
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
You'll notice that they have MANY MAN Y ties to the republicans.
>>>>>Hoorah! unilaterlism! Just like bush!
>>>>>
>>>>>He supported involving the CIA directly in domestic police spying,
>>>>>which he described as an effort to "break down the barriers between
>>>>>national intelligence and local law enforcement."
>>>>>
>>>>Sounds like post-9/11 rhetoric.
>>>>I think he's more the civil libertarian than Bush is though.
>>>
>>>"I don’t fault George Bush for doing too much in the war on terror,I
>>>believe he has done too little...."
>>>
>>He did do too little. He went after the wrong guy.
>
>And the Right guy is?
>
>*cough* Henry Kissenger *cough*
>
Nope, be real:
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=15238&mode=nested&order=0
>>>That's what kerry said.
>>>
>>>If he thinks what shrub has done is "too little", then what twisted
>>>visisions does he have for the future?
>>>
>>"Shrub"? Since when do you use that term to refer to Bush?
>>Go pitch your lies to somwon else, traitor.
>
>um.... How can I be a traitor If I'm not american?
>
Do not thwart me, your KING!!!!111!!!!
I shall have you put in stocks...
>>>>>He also endorsed the isreali apartheid wall to divide palestine into
>>>>>ghettos.
>>>>>
>>>>So do I :) Good fences make good neighbors.
>>>
>>>Umm... You do realise that ISreal was originaly founded on land that
>>>belonged to the palestians?
>>>
>>And?
>
>Is it wrong to steal other peoples land?
>
Duh. Having a defined border is bad how?
>>>That the palestiains were ethnicaly cleansed, Forced from their homes
>>>and killed.
>>>
>>No kidding?
>
>do you think that you take up suicide bombing if it was the only way
>you could fight the people who did that you?
>
Nope. But militant religious FUNDIES would.
So would xtian fundies, oh wait...Bush is a fundie :)
Hmmmmmmmm...
>>>over 4 million palestionan refugees live in camps.
>>>
>>Wow.
>
>It's an injustice. HTH.
>
Somalia...North Korea...so many injustices, so little time :(
>>>Would you support building walls across new york to keep poor black
>>>people away from rich whites?
>>>
>>Of course not straw man sculptor.
>>
>>>Cos that is exactly analgous to isrealis secruity wall.
>>>
>>Nope. Blacks arnt suicide bombing rich whites.
>>Try again.
>
>The palestians are poor, The isralis rich.
YOu cant support your silly Blacks are being walled in argument can you?
Heh eh heh...
>The isrealis get rich from takeing palestian land.
>The palestians are poor cos their land is taken.
>
Shit...the palestinians were poor before. The israelis *did* annex farmland
that they shouldnt, no question.
>White people get rich from cheap black labour, or even once, Slavery.
>Black people stay poor, Because white people take the fruits of their
>labour.
>
No kidding? WalMart hires blacks & whites and pays the all the same: poorly :)
Its a problem, sure.
>>>The rich isrealis want to keep poor palestians out and away from their
>>>original land.
>>>
>>I know. I dont have the answers, you?
>
>Perhaps a unity goverment based on not ghettotiseing palestianns, But
>makeing them equal citizens alongside the isealis?
>
Religion gets in the way. Culture gets in the way.
They're both idiots if you think about it.
I couldnt care less about them really :)
If you cant work out your differences in say....100 years...fuck em.
>>>>>Kerry is bascialy just adopting Bushes agenda so that the corperate
>>>>>elite will get behind him instead of bush.
>>>>>
>>>>THen why isn't the corporate elite giving him the money?
>>>>Bush gets the lions share of corporate lobbyists money.
>>>>Try again.
>>>
>>>Mintz, Levin & Cohn, The Monsanto lawyers gave kerry $112,250 this
>>>year.
>>>
>>How much did they give the republican party?
>
>I do not have the exact figures, But I know they gave more money to
>bush than to kerry.
>
My point exactly. BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHO WILL PANDER TO THEIR INTERESTS.
Sorry, caps lock is sticky ;)
>The republicans and Bush are just as eager to take the money as are
>the democrats.
>
No....really??
>However, As I have already pointed out, They've given him money
>anyway, It doesn't make him any less likely to do what they want him
>to.
>
Actually it does. thats why they support Bush *more*.
>Indeed, They will just give him more money in the future if he wins,
>Thus corrupting him more.
>
Nope. There is a basic difference in ideology between Dems & Republicans.
>>>just because he gets slightly, less than bush, that doesn;t make him
>>>any less beholden.
>>>
>>>That they give him money at all makes him their tool.
>>>
>>Then lets throw our vote away on Ralph Nader.
>
>Umm... No. Abolish Capitlism, Replace it with a planned economy in
>order that we can best control our enviromental impact by limiteing
>growth, s
>
Never happen. Greed is a human instinct. Replace humans with furries that are
enlightened would be more plausible ;)
>since it is growht, Exploiting new markets which damges the enviroment
>most.
>
Eh?
>>>Go and look who is donateing to kerry... Most corps hedge their bets
>>>and donate to both anyway... Doesnt make him any less beholden...
>>>
>>I'm well aware of the situation. I'm looking at his voting record on the
>>enviroment.
>
>Does not his support for GM food corps rather undermine that?
>
Not entirely. People are reacting against the whole GM food issue. Kerry is
more likely to listen.
>>You're not even american, wtf do you care?
>
>Why would I bother to Take "American Studies" unless I was interested
>in america and all aspects of it?
>
Actually.......you should have studied Russia or China as they are socialist
countries. America isn't, FYI.
HTH
:)
>>>>>Even if Kerry wins, The attacks on Civil liberties and the "war on
>>>>>terror" will continue.
>>>>>
>>>>Um...no.
>>>
>>>But he supported the patriot act, You know as well as I that what
>>>poloticans promose at election time is worthless.
>>>
>>He's stated that he's not in favor of reinstateing it silly.
>
>Bush says that he is in favour of civil liberities. However, He wants
>a corperate dictatorship. Ashcroft et al.
>
I know.
>Kerry claims to be against special interrests, Yet he takes money from
>monsanto.
>
>They are both liars.
>
I'll go with the guy who I believe in most: Kerry.
>>>>>I wonder what America we will see in ten years time.
>>>>>
>>>>Who knows? If it continues on the path its on then we'll have a two tiered
>>>>society with a ruling class and serfs.
>>>>Just like the politically unstable south america.
>>>
>>>South america was raped by the spanish.
>>>
>>South america is in the sights of the Bush admin since it has oil reserves.
>>Deal w/ that.
>
>The Bush goverment want to overthrow the leftwing adminstration of
>Chavez, yes I know.
>
>Venuzuala is the 5th largest oil exporter in the world IIRC.
>
>They want the oil under their control.
>
Exactly. The d00d that leads Venezuala called Bush an asshole the other day.
Heh...
>>>>>>>>>Um... It was from a squirty bottle of toilet cleaner, The nozzle was
>>>>>>>>>blocked or something and I was peering down it and sqeeuzeing, I guess
>>>>>>>>>i'm just lucky none went in my eyes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thats like looking into a water hose in a Three Stooges movie...its
just
>>>>>>>>something you dont do :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I didn't think, Like when I leant up againt the hot radioart, and my
>>>>>>>coat started smokeing. It smelt like marzipan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>PLEASE BE CAREFUL.
>>>>>>TIA
>>>>>
>>>>>I always wear rubber gloves! That saves me!
>>>>>
>>>>Not from vapors...
>>>
>>>I pull my collar up over my face for that. It's artifical fibres, They
>>>will filer out toxins.
>>>
>>You're an idiot.
>
>Martyr me!
>
Get a charcoal filter mask you twit!
King Snuhw()1f
--
We gots ta keep it real yo.
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Dave the welfare subsistence Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>>>PAC's....it;s all about that corporate lobbying dollar baby...
>>
>>PAC's?
>>
>Political Action Committies. You're failing american studies I see...
I haven't started takeing it yet oddly enough. I'm still on my year
off as I said.
>>>>Why don't you look at people who donate to the democratic party and
>>>>kerrys campiegn?
>>>>
>>>Yeah, your Average Joe...not your corporate fat cat.
>>
>>perhaps you SHOULD ACUTALLY LOOK?
>>
>>perhaps you don't want to look...
>>
>Oh but I did :)
>www.johnkerry.com will answer all your questions on why Kerry is right for
>America in 2005!
Hmm, I notice that Kerry does not anywhere acutally say what he is
acutally going to do.
It's all fancy rhetoric, And no concrete polotcies or proposals at
all.
For example, He says nothing about repealing Bushs Tax cuts, nor does
he suggest raiseing taxes on the rich.
Americas economy is a house of cards, it is dependant on constant
forieng investment, Since there is not enough money comeing in from
taxes, cos taxes on corps and the rich are so low.
Also look at this:
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/natservice/
"John Kerry will propose a comprehensive service plan that includes
requiring mandatory service for high school students"
I'm betting that he's goung to reintroduce the Draft, under the guise
of "national service" of course.
>>>>oh! look! It's the same rich people and companies who donate to the
>>>>republicans.
>>>>
>>>Somewhat, as the corp's who donate try and play *both* sides of the fence.
>But
>>>the lions share goes to the Republicans.
>>
>>You think kerry is going to be any less "greatful" to the people who
>>donate to him than bush is?
>>
>Yes.
Provide some precendent for that.
Did you notice how he voted against a bill to label GM food as
containing GM, cos he'd been funded by Monsanto?
If he does win, can you imagine how long it will take for the oil
industry to name but one, To start lineing his coffers?
And then, Given the precedent of the Monsanto donations, why should he
not serve their interests as well?
>>The rich can corrupt kerry with their cash. Any mainstram polotican
>>can be corrupted, Even Nader would be.
>>
>Wrong.
Prove it. Kerry took money from Monsanto, he voted against something
that would harm them.
>>>>Banks, GM compnanies... and more.
>>>>
>>>>Do you think they are hedgeing their bets?
>>>>
>>>Of course :)
>>>Its what lobbyists do.
>>
>>And you think kerry will disapoint them? Those who have given him lots
>>of money?
>
>Enviro groups donate...think about it :)
In trying to influence the policy of polotcians by donateing, They are
trying to play the corperations at their own game.
They will fail because corperatiosn have much more money anyway,
because they don't give a toss about the enviroment or ethics.
Also, By trying to influence policy through donatuions, They are
legitmiseing the game that corperations play anway, And since the
corps will always have more money, They will lose anyway.
>>>>>Bush- awol during his National Guard duties.
>>>>>Kerry- Good voting record on the enviroment.
>>>>>Bush- horrible record on the enviroment and hand-picks science staffers
>that
>>>>>share his ideology.
>>>>
>>>>Kerry voted for the USA Patriot Act, he voted for Bush’s "No Child
>>>>Left Behind" education bill, and he voted to authorize Bush to go to
>>>>war against Iraq for oil.
>>>>
>>>Ok...but like I said; Patriot sunsets in '05 and Bush has said repeatedly
>that
>>>he'll support furthering it, Kerry has said its time is over.
>>
>>But do you really think that a poloticans promises at election time
>>are worth anything at all?
>>
>Sometimes.
But Kerry says that hes against special interests, yet takes money
from monsanto. Hmm.
>>The Labour goverment here, Has reneged on almost EVERY SINGLE ONE of
>>their election promises.
>>
>I feel your pain.
>
>>They'll say anything to make you vote for them.
>>
>The bastards.
>
>>And Why did kerry vote for it in the first place? If he truly cared
>>about civil rights, he would have never supported it.
>>
>HE wen't with the tide. It was seemingly appropriate at the time. Now on
>further consideration, he agrees its time has past.
>Thats the mark of a true leader.
No, That's the mark of an oppurtunist. Someone who hitches their star
to whatever bandwagon that comes along.
He voted For the "no child left behind act" when it bush pushed it
(and it's obvious to you I'm sure that nothing bush pushes can be any
good) and then he turns around and says its bad!
He should know! he voted for it in the first place!
The very fact that kerry went with the tide in the first place and
voted for the Patrioat Act shows that he himself is weak.
A true leader would have stuck to his principles.
>>Since the patriot act was in itself, a massive assualt on civil
>>rights.
>>
>Yes, yes it is.
And kerry supported it.
>>>>If he supports a war on iraq for oil, Do you really think that he
>>>>seriously cares about renewables?
>>>>
>>>Yes. His record on the enviroment is much better than Bushes.
>>
>>Except when it comes to GM crop companies and their attempts to
>>control the Food chain eh?
>>
>Oh dear, you really need you some re-education on the subject of who is worse
>to the enviroment:
>http://www.bushgreenwatch.org/mt_archives/000067.php
Two wrongs don't make a right. Bush is Bad, But so are the GM corps
and their attempts to control the food chain and use increasing
amounyts of pesticide and increasing in "factory farming".
The whole Intensive factory farming road is a dead end anyway since it
ends in soil erosion and leaching allthe nutrients from the soil and
haveing to use increasing amounts of fertiliser just to keep curret
harvests going.
They will have to run, just to stand still.
>>>>He says one thing, Does another...
>>>>
>>>>Sounds to me like he's a pure oppurtunist. He goes with what be
>>>>popular to get himself into a posuition of power, And then once he's
>>>>there, He does whatever the rich tell him to do.
>>>>
>>>Ummmm...no.
>>
>>But he takes the Corperate Shill from Monsanto...
>>
>As a democrat? So you're saying that the dems get some money from corps?
>Duh.
The fact that they take money from corps makes them a tool of the
corps./
For example, in california, The democrats voted with the republicans
to slash welfare instead of raiseing taxes.
>>>>>>Kerry has not made any concrete promises to raise taxes or even get
>>>>>>rids of bushs tax cuts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Kerry is a waffler to be sure.
>>>>
>>>>Deflection eh?
>>>>
>>>Being honest gets you bad points now?
>>>Then I guess you've been lieing to me & the rest of us all along right, Dave?
>>
>>I've always made my political views quite clear from the start.
>>
>Socialism wont work in america dear...
On what basis do you make that astonshingly sweeping statement?
Have you ever read "The German ideology" or "capital"?
Do you have even the vaguest idea as to their content?
>>I do not so any virtue in Bush, Nor do I see any Virtue in Kerry, nor
>>in Nader.
>>
>So we sit on our hands and do nothing?
>DOnt vote, huh?
>Sorry, I'm voting for change: Kerry.
LOL!
Kerry is owned by the Big corperations. He is commited to Capitlism
and the free market as is.
He will not do anythign which would threaten the wealth of the rich or
their power.
This means that he will not stop abuse of the enviroment if it
threantens profits.
You Could vote For the Socalist Equality party, Who are standing, But
I'm sure that you'd rather haveing the thinking done for you.
>>IMO, only socalism and Socalist parties will bring the change that is
>>needed.
>>
>And since they will never arrive...you can wait forever then.
The age of global capitlism is already upon us. Do you not see the
increasing unrest and war all around the world?
At some point, there will be a massive thrust for change.
What secret machinations do I represent today?
>But I think you're arguing for not bothering to vote, which is very bad.
>Voteing = democracy.
>Your current grade in Am Studies: C-.
The Socalist Equality Party is running for the presidential election.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/stat-j27.shtml
>>Or is this an act in order to persuade certain people of something
>>that they can use?
>>
>We're all against you Dave :)
Would you like me to make a "voices" and/or Schizophrenia Lamer here?
>>>>>>He hasn't even said he';ll do anything about the patrioat act.
>>>>>>
>>>>>He has said that when the so-called Patriot act sunsets (comes up for
>reveiw)
>>>>>in '05 that he won't support it.
>>>>
>>>>He supported it originaly did he not?
>>>>
>>>Duh. But the original act had a sunset clause. Or are you too stupid to
>>>understand that concept you mental midget?
>>
>>What you gonna do if he says that THE WAR ON TERROR needs to go on
>>even longer and the act needs to stay?
>>
>We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
A-Ha!
>>You know well as I, that what poloticans promise in election time
>>means nothing.
>>
>Often that is true. I'm looking at one thing which is very important to me:
>voting record on enviromental policy.
>Bush looses there in a BIG way.
>No contest.
In 1997, Kerry voted for a resolution, which passed 95-0, saying the
US "should not be a signatory" to the Kyoto Treaty.
Despite what he spouts, The truth outs in his actions. He votes
against something which tried to deal with the greatest enviromental
threat we currently face: Global warming.
>>>>If he truly didn't belive in it, He would have never supported it.
>>>>
>>>Sure...how many politicians voted against it? It passed with an overwhelming
>>>majority in both the house and the senate.
>>
>>That only proves that they're *all* rotten.
>>
>So we just ditch the system or like I think you mean: dont bother voting.
>Sorry Dave, I gots my votin card & Ima gonna vote John Kerry.
>So there, NYEAH :P
Vote Socalist in 2004. HTH.
>>>>>>Kerry is attacking bush from the RIGHT not the left.
>>>>>>
>>>>>He's hitting Bush where it hurts: jobs & the enviroment.
>>>>
>>>>bush is nothing more than a pimple on the buttock of capitlism.
>>>>
>>>You're minimalising his role in the current downfall of America.
>>>How *not* supprising :)
>>
>>Bush is bad, But he is the result of capitlism. Expect nothing better
>>from it.
>>
>I think that if the people's will gets some attention things will change for
>the better.
>We've been pandering to corporate interests for four years now and its been
>VERY BAD for America.
How will it change for the better?
What will change for the better?
Given kerrys record as takeing cash from, and acting in the interests
of Monsanto, why do you think that he will listen to normal people who
CANNOT give him hunderds of thousands of dollars??
>>Bush represents the most Greedy elements of the ruleing classes, He
>>himself is criminal, But he is nothing without their backing.
>>
>Yes, obviously.
>
>>The differences between the democrats and repuibkicans are purely
>>tactical.
>>
>ANd ideological.
They are both agreed that The free market and capitlism should be
primate.
Anything else than that is merely tactical.
>>The republicans are so greedyt, They're stupid with it, Like bush
>>goverment.
>>
>Uh huh...
It's the difference between ripping the skin off the sheep and
shearing them.
>>But the democrats would move slower, Yet no less inexaborly in the
>>direction of more corperate shill goverment.
>>
>Not really. Only a few dems are calling for protectionism when it comes to the
>jobs issue.
>NO republicans are.
Protectinism is no the answer. It still leaves othe people in poverty
around the world.
Internationkism is the key.
>>>>The fualt lies with capitlism itself, Not bush.
>>>>
>>>I no longer believe *anything* you spew.
>>>Now lie & spin lots more :)
>>
>>Bush is a broken product from broken machinary.
>>
>I agree :)
>
>>If you use broken machinary, You're going to get broken products.
>>
>Uh huh. Thats why we need change: Kerry.
Kerry comes from the same mould. He himself agrees that Capitlism and
the free market are the only way forward.
Yet it is capitlism and the free market under bush who do so much
damage.
>>>>>>He said this in a speech on friday:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"...I don’t fault George Bush for doing too much in the war on
>>>>>>terror... I believe he has done too little.... George Bush has no
>>>>>>comprehensive strategy for victory in the war on terror, only an ad
>>>>>>hoc strategy to keep our enemies at bay. If I am commander in chief, I
>>>>>>would wage that war by putting in place a strategy to win it..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>Soundls like he's saying he has an exit strategy whereas Bush has none.
>>>>
>>>>Read it again.
>>>>he says "win it", not "exist strategy".
>>>>
>>>>He talks about the War on terror as though it were a real thing, not
>>>>just an excuse to quash civili libeerties.
>>>>
>>>It is a real thing. Terrorists have attacked America at least twice you
>>>dimbulb.
>>
>>the CIA supported and helped Gen. Pinochet to overthrow a
>>democraticaly elected goverment. 30,000 died under pinochets rule.
>>
>America meddles in the affairs of other countries and I'm not suprised that
>some of them attack us...whats your point?
That the american goverment brings all this upon itself.
They caused sept 11th as sure as the people who acutually did the
deed.
>>American goverment Supoprted the dictator, The Shah of iran, and
>>helped him to suppress democracy. This led to the iranian revolution.
>>
>Sure, Regan had Rumsfield or Ashcroft when they worked for him to carry a
>letter to Saddam in the 80's. America has been fucking around there for ages &
>its gotten us in deep shit.
>
>>Ameircan agents helped the military dictatorhop
>>
>>Eisenhower supported rebels in Gutamala to overthrow ademocratical
>>elected goverment. over 250,000 died as a direct result of american
>>actions.
>>
>Yeah yeah yeah...
There are literaly hunderds more.
>>Why do no american poloticans talk of the need to make war on the
>>terrorists among their own ranks?
>>
>That would be addmitting wrong, no-one likes to do that :)
>>>>>>Hoorah! even more attacks on civil liberties under kerry!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"As president, I pledge to you, I’ll never wait for a green light from
>>>>>>abroad, from any other institution"
>>>>>>
>>>>>Um...that sounds like a mis-quote.
>>>>
>>>>No, He really said that.
>>>>
>>>>http://truthout.org/docs_04/022904B.shtml
>>>>
>>>>Kerry also said:
>>>>
>>>>"Allies give us more hands in the struggle, but no president would
>>>>ever let them tie our hands and prevent us from doing what must be
>>>>done,"
>>>>
>>>Which means?
>>
>>*cough* Unilaterism *cough*
>>
>SO you're agaisnt that?
I prefer Negotations, Talking, Rather than just saying "do this".
>>>>""I will be prepared to use military force to protect our security,
>>>>our people and our vital interests"
>>>>
>>>>For vital interests, Read "oil and profit"
>>>>
>>>Uh huh. I'm voting for Kerry. If you don't like it you can kiss my ass :)
>>
>>I don't think the electronic voteing machines will let you.
>>
>Probably not:
>http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
>You'll notice that they have MANY MAN Y ties to the republicans.
Yeah well, Here in england, They are preposeing to let people vote
online with just a normal computer to a "secure" website. I dread to
think how easily that could be hacked.
Also, There have been reports of postal ballots being tampered with
here, however, The newspaprs uddently lost interest and nothing more
was heard about it...
>>>>>>Hoorah! unilaterlism! Just like bush!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He supported involving the CIA directly in domestic police spying,
>>>>>>which he described as an effort to "break down the barriers between
>>>>>>national intelligence and local law enforcement."
>>>>>>
>>>>>Sounds like post-9/11 rhetoric.
>>>>>I think he's more the civil libertarian than Bush is though.
>>>>
>>>>"I don’t fault George Bush for doing too much in the war on terror,I
>>>>believe he has done too little...."
>>>>
>>>He did do too little. He went after the wrong guy.
>>
>>And the Right guy is?
>>
>>*cough* Henry Kissenger *cough*
>>
>Nope, be real:
>http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=15238&mode=nested&order=0
I read that It was saudi arabia behind sept 11th. The majority of the
hijackers were Saudi.
Micheal moores new book, I can't remember the title, but that
postulated that it was The Saudis what done it.
Cos, Even though the Saudis get american oil money, they are still
relegious manciacs who will bite the hand that feeds them.
>>>>That's what kerry said.
>>>>
>>>>If he thinks what shrub has done is "too little", then what twisted
>>>>visisions does he have for the future?
>>>>
>>>"Shrub"? Since when do you use that term to refer to Bush?
>>>Go pitch your lies to somwon else, traitor.
>>
>>um.... How can I be a traitor If I'm not american?
>>
>Do not thwart me, your KING!!!!111!!!!
>I shall have you put in stocks...
>>>>>>He also endorsed the isreali apartheid wall to divide palestine into
>>>>>>ghettos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>So do I :) Good fences make good neighbors.
>>>>
>>>>Umm... You do realise that ISreal was originaly founded on land that
>>>>belonged to the palestians?
>>>>
>>>And?
>>
>>Is it wrong to steal other peoples land?
>>
>Duh. Having a defined border is bad how?
That's ducking the issue, All the land in the first place was stolen
from the palestinains.
Palestines existed for over 1000 yeasr before the isrealis nicked it.
>>>>That the palestiains were ethnicaly cleansed, Forced from their homes
>>>>and killed.
>>>>
>>>No kidding?
>>
>>do you think that you take up suicide bombing if it was the only way
>>you could fight the people who did that you?
>>
>Nope. But militant religious FUNDIES would.
>So would xtian fundies, oh wait...Bush is a fundie :)
>Hmmmmmmmm...
I think you would. I read that most of these suicide bombers, From
Docotrs who had seen them beofre, or from talking to their families,
they nearly all suffered from depression and stuff like that.
Think about it, You live in miserable poverty, no hope of a job, You
get depressed, why not take some isrealis who stole your land while
you're at it?
>>>>over 4 million palestionan refugees live in camps.
>>>>
>>>Wow.
>>
>>It's an injustice. HTH.
>>
>Somalia...North Korea...so many injustices, so little time :(
>>>>Would you support building walls across new york to keep poor black
>>>>people away from rich whites?
>>>>
>>>Of course not straw man sculptor.
>>>
>>>>Cos that is exactly analgous to isrealis secruity wall.
>>>>
>>>Nope. Blacks arnt suicide bombing rich whites.
>>>Try again.
>>
>>The palestians are poor, The isralis rich.
>
>YOu cant support your silly Blacks are being walled in argument can you?
>Heh eh heh...
The analogy still stands, It's a case for both of exploiatation.
The isrealis exploit the palestians, What few jobs there once where in
palestine were things like picking fruit.
The palesitans would pick the fruit, The isrealis took the fruit and
sold it for much more. Not passing the money on.
Reminds me of others...
>>The isrealis get rich from takeing palestian land.
>>The palestians are poor cos their land is taken.
>>
>Shit...the palestinians were poor before. The israelis *did* annex farmland
>that they shouldnt, no question.
>
>>White people get rich from cheap black labour, or even once, Slavery.
>>Black people stay poor, Because white people take the fruits of their
>>labour.
>>
>No kidding? WalMart hires blacks & whites and pays the all the same: poorly :)
>Its a problem, sure.
Black people are more likely to be poor than whites. For example IIRC,
in new york, Unemployment for black males aged 18 to 65 is more than
40%.
>>>>The rich isrealis want to keep poor palestians out and away from their
>>>>original land.
>>>>
>>>I know. I dont have the answers, you?
>>
>>Perhaps a unity goverment based on not ghettotiseing palestianns, But
>>makeing them equal citizens alongside the isealis?
>>
>Religion gets in the way. Culture gets in the way.
>They're both idiots if you think about it.
>I couldnt care less about them really :)
>If you cant work out your differences in say....100 years...fuck em.
The Situation in Isreal today is probably *the* biggest source of
global instability in the world.
They have nuclear weapons, They run an apartheid state.
That is too dangerous to be allowed to carry on like that.
>>>>>>Kerry is bascialy just adopting Bushes agenda so that the corperate
>>>>>>elite will get behind him instead of bush.
>>>>>>
>>>>>THen why isn't the corporate elite giving him the money?
>>>>>Bush gets the lions share of corporate lobbyists money.
>>>>>Try again.
>>>>
>>>>Mintz, Levin & Cohn, The Monsanto lawyers gave kerry $112,250 this
>>>>year.
>>>>
>>>How much did they give the republican party?
>>
>>I do not have the exact figures, But I know they gave more money to
>>bush than to kerry.
>>
>My point exactly. BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHO WILL PANDER TO THEIR INTERESTS.
>Sorry, caps lock is sticky ;)
Yes, The democrats will pander to their interested as much as
republicans do.
For example. "News Corp", They who own "fair and ballenced fox news",
Gave $1,853,832 to the parties. 76% of that went to the democrats, 24%
to the repulicans.
Looks like Murdoch (who controls news corp and is a notrius
reactionary in favor of tax cuts for the rich and slashing welfare et
al) has the democratics in his pocket.
The following Big corperations all gave the majority of their money to
the democrats:
AOL/Time Warner, owner of CNN
Viacom, owner of CBS network
Walt Disney, owner of ABC network
And guess what? The Democrats support measures to allow less
restrictions on media monopolies...
>>The republicans and Bush are just as eager to take the money as are
>>the democrats.
>>
>No....really??
$390,543 from Ciggerete companies went to the democrats this year.
I'm sure they will be very "greatful" for that.
>>However, As I have already pointed out, They've given him money
>>anyway, It doesn't make him any less likely to do what they want him
>>to.
>>
>Actually it does. thats why they support Bush *more*.
There are some people out there who are just *stupid* right?
And some people who are more cunning.
Well, some companies, are just *stupid*, They want to rip the skin of
the sheep and rape the earth, But some are more cunning and they want
to sheer it regualy and just get the earth drunk and then have their
way with it.
That probably determines who donates to the democrats or republicans.
>>Indeed, They will just give him more money in the future if he wins,
>>Thus corrupting him more.
>>
>Nope. There is a basic difference in ideology between Dems & Republicans.
What With kerry voteing for the war on iraq, For the "no child left
behind" education thing, againt labeling GM foods as such and so on.
I'd be hard put to see any.
Did you know that In California, The democrats votede with the
republicans to slash welfare rather than raise taxes on the rich?
The democrats and the republicans, Like the labour party and the
conservative party, are loseing their differences.
>>>>just because he gets slightly, less than bush, that doesn;t make him
>>>>any less beholden.
>>>>
>>>>That they give him money at all makes him their tool.
>>>>
>>>Then lets throw our vote away on Ralph Nader.
>>
>>Umm... No. Abolish Capitlism, Replace it with a planned economy in
>>order that we can best control our enviromental impact by limiteing
>>growth, s
>>
>Never happen. Greed is a human instinct. Replace humans with furries that are
>enlightened would be more plausible ;)
>
>>since it is growht, Exploiting new markets which damges the enviroment
>>most.
>>
>Eh?
Economic growth, The process of createing new wealth, Is what damages
the enviroment most.
For example, In the amazon rainforest, McDonalds realisesd that if
they cut down the rainforest, They'd have lots of cheap land which
they could raise cattle on for cheap meat.
Of course, This destroys the bioderversity of the rainforest, and the
soil starts to erode after a few years, but hey! It makes lots of mony
in the short term, since they can supply customers with lots of very
cheap meat.
God knows what effect that has on global warming, cutting down all
those trees, And of course, When the soil starts to erode, You're
turning the rainforsts in desert...
But hey! it makes money
>>>>Go and look who is donateing to kerry... Most corps hedge their bets
>>>>and donate to both anyway... Doesnt make him any less beholden...
>>>>
>>>I'm well aware of the situation. I'm looking at his voting record on the
>>>enviroment.
>>
>>Does not his support for GM food corps rather undermine that?
>>
>Not entirely. People are reacting against the whole GM food issue. Kerry is
>more likely to listen.
To Monsantos donations.. I agree.
>>>You're not even american, wtf do you care?
>>
>>Why would I bother to Take "American Studies" unless I was interested
>>in america and all aspects of it?
>>
>Actually.......you should have studied Russia or China as they are socialist
>countries. America isn't, FYI.
If you think either of those countrie are (currenlty, Neither of them
claim to be socalist) or were socalist, I don't think you understand
what socalism isl.
>>>>>>Even if Kerry wins, The attacks on Civil liberties and the "war on
>>>>>>terror" will continue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Um...no.
>>>>
>>>>But he supported the patriot act, You know as well as I that what
>>>>poloticans promose at election time is worthless.
>>>>
>>>He's stated that he's not in favor of reinstateing it silly.
>>
>>Bush says that he is in favour of civil liberities. However, He wants
>>a corperate dictatorship. Ashcroft et al.
>>
>I know.
>
>>Kerry claims to be against special interrests, Yet he takes money from
>>monsanto.
>>
>>They are both liars.
>>
>I'll go with the guy who I believe in most: Kerry.
Ok then, You're going to Vote Tacitaly.
The lesser of two evils.
That's what I will do anway. all the british Poltica parties are
shits.
But I'd rather have the Liberal Democrats than Labourl, And I'd rahte
have labour than the conservatives.
>>>>>>I wonder what America we will see in ten years time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Who knows? If it continues on the path its on then we'll have a two tiered
>>>>>society with a ruling class and serfs.
>>>>>Just like the politically unstable south america.
>>>>
>>>>South america was raped by the spanish.
>>>>
>>>South america is in the sights of the Bush admin since it has oil reserves.
>>>Deal w/ that.
>>
>>The Bush goverment want to overthrow the leftwing adminstration of
>>Chavez, yes I know.
>>
>>Venuzuala is the 5th largest oil exporter in the world IIRC.
>>
>>They want the oil under their control.
>>
>Exactly. The d00d that leads Venezuala called Bush an asshole the other day.
>Heh...
Well, I think he was kidpnapped and held hostae by rich people.
>>>>>>>>>>Um... It was from a squirty bottle of toilet cleaner, The nozzle was
>>>>>>>>>>blocked or something and I was peering down it and sqeeuzeing, I guess
>>>>>>>>>>i'm just lucky none went in my eyes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thats like looking into a water hose in a Three Stooges movie...its
>just
>>>>>>>>>something you dont do :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I didn't think, Like when I leant up againt the hot radioart, and my
>>>>>>>>coat started smokeing. It smelt like marzipan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>PLEASE BE CAREFUL.
>>>>>>>TIA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I always wear rubber gloves! That saves me!
>>>>>>
>>>>>Not from vapors...
>>>>
>>>>I pull my collar up over my face for that. It's artifical fibres, They
>>>>will filer out toxins.
>>>>
>>>You're an idiot.
>>
>>Martyr me!
>>
>Get a charcoal filter mask you twit!
Owww, my fingers hurt. At least I had to think really hard.
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>him.
>
>>>>PAC's....it;s all about that corporate lobbying dollar baby...
>>>
>>>PAC's?
>>>
>>Political Action Committies. You're failing american studies I see...
>
>I haven't started takeing it yet oddly enough. I'm still on my year
>off as I said.
>
Might want to stop slacking then :)
>>>>>Why don't you look at people who donate to the democratic party and
>>>>>kerrys campiegn?
>>>>>
>>>>Yeah, your Average Joe...not your corporate fat cat.
>>>
>>>perhaps you SHOULD ACUTALLY LOOK?
>>>
>>>perhaps you don't want to look...
>>>
>>Oh but I did :)
>>www.johnkerry.com will answer all your questions on why Kerry is right for
>>America in 2005!
>
>Hmm, I notice that Kerry does not anywhere acutally say what he is
>acutally going to do.
>
Actually he does. You just have to know how to navigate a web site :)
>It's all fancy rhetoric, And no concrete polotcies or proposals at
>all.
>
Try again Dave.
>For example, He says nothing about repealing Bushs Tax cuts, nor does
>he suggest raiseing taxes on the rich.
>
Look for the issues yourself. It's all there on the web site :)
>Americas economy is a house of cards, it is dependant on constant
>forieng investment, Since there is not enough money comeing in from
>taxes, cos taxes on corps and the rich are so low.
>
Some buisnesses pay taxes : small buisness.
>Also look at this:
>
>http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/natservice/
>
>"John Kerry will propose a comprehensive service plan that includes
>requiring mandatory service for high school students"
>
>I'm betting that he's goung to reintroduce the Draft, under the guise
>of "national service" of course.
>
Dimbulb, click on the "+" signs to see the details:
"The highest form of service is military service. America's military is having
trouble recruiting and is increasingly relying on the reserves for active duty.
John Kerry believes we must change that. The complicated missions we face and
technologies we use depend on it. In a Kerry Administration, no university that
receives federal aid will be allowed to ban the ROTC from their campus, except
for religious reasons. And the ROTC scholarship program will be adequately
funded so that students can attend the college of their choice. John Kerry will
also make modernizing our GI benefits a top priority, because no program has
been more successful increasing educational opportunities for veterans while
also providing an incentive for the best and brightest to make a career out of
military."
Thats not a draft you ninny, thats incentive programs.
>>>>>oh! look! It's the same rich people and companies who donate to the
>>>>>republicans.
>>>>>
>>>>Somewhat, as the corp's who donate try and play *both* sides of the fence.
>>But
>>>>the lions share goes to the Republicans.
>>>
>>>You think kerry is going to be any less "greatful" to the people who
>>>donate to him than bush is?
>>>
>>Yes.
>
>Provide some precendent for that.
>
I could say DYOFDW but since you're a lazy slacker taking a year off...
"John Kerry has a plan to secure America’s economic future and ensure that
workers can achieve the American dream in our changing economy. John Kerry has
the courage to roll back Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans so we can
invest in education and healthcare. He isn’t afraid to crack down on
corporations that are hiding their money in Bermuda to avoid paying their fair
share and will end special tax giveaways to companies that ship jobs abroad.
And he will defend the rights of workers, consumers and shareholders in holding
corporations accountable for their actions."
Happy now?
>Did you notice how he voted against a bill to label GM food as
>containing GM, cos he'd been funded by Monsanto?
>
CITE :)
>If he does win, can you imagine how long it will take for the oil
>industry to name but one, To start lineing his coffers?
>
>And then, Given the precedent of the Monsanto donations, why should he
>not serve their interests as well?
>
Read above what Ive quoted, ninny.
>>>The rich can corrupt kerry with their cash. Any mainstram polotican
>>>can be corrupted, Even Nader would be.
>>>
>>Wrong.
>
>Prove it. Kerry took money from Monsanto, he voted against something
>that would harm them.
>
CITE :)
>>>>>Banks, GM compnanies... and more.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you think they are hedgeing their bets?
>>>>>
>>>>Of course :)
>>>>Its what lobbyists do.
>>>
>>>And you think kerry will disapoint them? Those who have given him lots
>>>of money?
>>
>>Enviro groups donate...think about it :)
>
>In trying to influence the policy of polotcians by donateing, They are
>trying to play the corperations at their own game.
>
Whatever it takes.
>They will fail because corperatiosn have much more money anyway,
>because they don't give a toss about the enviroment or ethics.
>
Yes...lets all give up hope then huh Dave?
>Also, By trying to influence policy through donatuions, They are
>legitmiseing the game that corperations play anway, And since the
>corps will always have more money, They will lose anyway.
>
Why do you bother to get out of bed w/ an attitude like that?
>>>>>>Bush- awol during his National Guard duties.
>>>>>>Kerry- Good voting record on the enviroment.
>>>>>>Bush- horrible record on the enviroment and hand-picks science staffers
>>that
>>>>>>share his ideology.
>>>>>
>>>>>Kerry voted for the USA Patriot Act, he voted for Bush’s "No Child
>>>>>Left Behind" education bill, and he voted to authorize Bush to go to
>>>>>war against Iraq for oil.
>>>>>
>>>>Ok...but like I said; Patriot sunsets in '05 and Bush has said repeatedly
>>that
>>>>he'll support furthering it, Kerry has said its time is over.
>>>
>>>But do you really think that a poloticans promises at election time
>>>are worth anything at all?
>>>
>>Sometimes.
>
>But Kerry says that hes against special interests, yet takes money
>from monsanto. Hmm.
>
CITE :)
>>Thats the mark of a true leader.
>
>No, That's the mark of an oppurtunist. Someone who hitches their star
>to whatever bandwagon that comes along.
>
>He voted For the "no child left behind act" when it bush pushed it
>(and it's obvious to you I'm sure that nothing bush pushes can be any
>good) and then he turns around and says its bad!
>
>He should know! he voted for it in the first place!
>
>The very fact that kerry went with the tide in the first place and
>voted for the Patrioat Act shows that he himself is weak.
>
>A true leader would have stuck to his principles.
>
Yawn. I'm still voting for Kerry :)
>>>Since the patriot act was in itself, a massive assualt on civil
>>>rights.
>>>
>>Yes, yes it is.
>
>And kerry supported it.
>
Whine about it lots more now :)
>>>>>If he supports a war on iraq for oil, Do you really think that he
>>>>>seriously cares about renewables?
>>>>>
>>>>Yes. His record on the enviroment is much better than Bushes.
>>>
>>>Except when it comes to GM crop companies and their attempts to
>>>control the Food chain eh?
>>>
>>Oh dear, you really need you some re-education on the subject of who is worse
>>to the enviroment:
>>http://www.bushgreenwatch.org/mt_archives/000067.php
>
>Two wrongs don't make a right. Bush is Bad, But so are the GM corps
>and their attempts to control the food chain and use increasing
>amounyts of pesticide and increasing in "factory farming".
>
>The whole Intensive factory farming road is a dead end anyway since it
>ends in soil erosion and leaching allthe nutrients from the soil and
>haveing to use increasing amounts of fertiliser just to keep curret
>harvests going.
>
>They will have to run, just to stand still.
>
"Throughout his career, John Kerry has been a top leader on the environment,
fighting to clean up toxic waste sites, to keep our air and water clean, and to
protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and other pristine wilderness
areas. In addition to supporting important environmental initiatives, John
Kerry has turned a spotlight on the Bush Administration’s rollbacks of our
hard-won environmental gains and their outdated, old-economy notions that our
environment must be sacrificed in the name of short-term profit. John Kerry has
the courage to take on the polluters that are trying to gut our clean air and
water laws. John Kerry has the vision to create a new Manhattan Project to make
America independent of Middle East oil in 10 years by creating alternative
fuels like ethanol and making cars more efficient. We’ll create half a million
new jobs here at home at the same time – and we’ll never have to send our sons
and daughters to war for Mideast oil."
>>>>>He says one thing, Does another...
>>>>>
>>>>>Sounds to me like he's a pure oppurtunist. He goes with what be
>>>>>popular to get himself into a posuition of power, And then once he's
>>>>>there, He does whatever the rich tell him to do.
>>>>>
>>>>Ummmm...no.
>>>
>>>But he takes the Corperate Shill from Monsanto...
>>>
>>As a democrat? So you're saying that the dems get some money from corps?
>>Duh.
>
>The fact that they take money from corps makes them a tool of the
>corps./
>
>For example, in california, The democrats voted with the republicans
>to slash welfare instead of raiseing taxes.
>
Californians are stupid enough to elect Arnold, what do you expect?
>>>>>>>Kerry has not made any concrete promises to raise taxes or even get
>>>>>>>rids of bushs tax cuts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Kerry is a waffler to be sure.
>>>>>
>>>>>Deflection eh?
>>>>>
>>>>Being honest gets you bad points now?
>>>>Then I guess you've been lieing to me & the rest of us all along right,
Dave?
>>>
>>>I've always made my political views quite clear from the start.
>>>
>>Socialism wont work in america dear...
>
>On what basis do you make that astonshingly sweeping statement?
>
A 200 year relatively successful experiment in democracy :)
>Have you ever read "The German ideology" or "capital"?
>
No...tell me more.
>Do you have even the vaguest idea as to their content?
>
Of course not :)
>>>I do not so any virtue in Bush, Nor do I see any Virtue in Kerry, nor
>>>in Nader.
>>>
>>So we sit on our hands and do nothing?
>>DOnt vote, huh?
>>Sorry, I'm voting for change: Kerry.
>
>LOL!
>Kerry is owned by the Big corperations. He is commited to Capitlism
>and the free market as is.
>
>He will not do anythign which would threaten the wealth of the rich or
>their power.
>
>This means that he will not stop abuse of the enviroment if it
>threantens profits.
>
>You Could vote For the Socalist Equality party, Who are standing, But
>I'm sure that you'd rather haveing the thinking done for you.
>
No...I'm not an ignorant twit who will throw his vote away on an untenable
candidate who has *NO* chance of winning.
Try again :)
>>>IMO, only socalism and Socalist parties will bring the change that is
>>>needed.
>>>
>>And since they will never arrive...you can wait forever then.
>
>The age of global capitlism is already upon us. Do you not see the
>increasing unrest and war all around the world?
>
>At some point, there will be a massive thrust for change.
>
Or more behind the scenes deals like how Aristide got squeezed out by western
influences :)
Pretty obvious: throw away your vote for an untenable candidate.
Much like how Nader stole votes away from Gore, thus helping to elect Bush.
>>But I think you're arguing for not bothering to vote, which is very bad.
>>Voteing = democracy.
>>Your current grade in Am Studies: C-.
>
>The Socalist Equality Party is running for the presidential election.
>
>http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/stat-j27.shtml
>
Heh...you mean this guy?
"Its candidates are Bill Van Auken for president and Jim Lawrence for vice
president. Bill Van Auken, 54, is a full-time writer for the World Socialist
Web Site. "
He's elected himself as candidate.
Well maybe I should run as King of Hoemstead.
ROTFLMAO!
>>>Or is this an act in order to persuade certain people of something
>>>that they can use?
>>>
>>We're all against you Dave :)
>
>Would you like me to make a "voices" and/or Schizophrenia Lamer here?
>
Could you? It'd make my job a little easier :)
>>>>>>>He hasn't even said he';ll do anything about the patrioat act.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>He has said that when the so-called Patriot act sunsets (comes up for
>>reveiw)
>>>>>>in '05 that he won't support it.
>>>>>
>>>>>He supported it originaly did he not?
>>>>>
>>>>Duh. But the original act had a sunset clause. Or are you too stupid to
>>>>understand that concept you mental midget?
>>>
>>>What you gonna do if he says that THE WAR ON TERROR needs to go on
>>>even longer and the act needs to stay?
>>>
>>We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
>
>A-Ha!
>
Ive already posted MB's of info & quotes...serious people are now well
informed. You can taunt me all you want, I'm still voting Kerry.
>>>You know well as I, that what poloticans promise in election time
>>>means nothing.
>>>
>>Often that is true. I'm looking at one thing which is very important to me:
>>voting record on enviromental policy.
>>Bush looses there in a BIG way.
>>No contest.
>
>In 1997, Kerry voted for a resolution, which passed 95-0, saying the
>US "should not be a signatory" to the Kyoto Treaty.
>
CITE :)
>Despite what he spouts, The truth outs in his actions. He votes
>against something which tried to deal with the greatest enviromental
>threat we currently face: Global warming.
>
"John Kerry understands that some of our most serious environmental challenges
– and opportunities – are taking place on an international stage and that they
require American leadership in the international community. Unlike the Bush
Administration, John Kerry will not abdicate this responsibility and
opportunity. When John Kerry is president, the U.S. will reengage in the
development of an international climate change strategy to address global
warming, and identify workable responses that provide opportunities for
American technology and know-how. And a Kerry Administration will meet new
challenges associated with the global exploitation of marine resources and the
global crisis of access to fresh water supplies."
Try reading teh webby site you id'jit?
>>>>>If he truly didn't belive in it, He would have never supported it.
>>>>>
>>>>Sure...how many politicians voted against it? It passed with an
overwhelming
>>>>majority in both the house and the senate.
>>>
>>>That only proves that they're *all* rotten.
>>>
>>So we just ditch the system or like I think you mean: dont bother voting.
>>Sorry Dave, I gots my votin card & Ima gonna vote John Kerry.
>>So there, NYEAH :P
>
>Vote Socalist in 2004. HTH.
>
Translation: throw you vote away and help Bush get re-elected.
Sorry Dave, no can do :)
>>>>>>>Kerry is attacking bush from the RIGHT not the left.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>He's hitting Bush where it hurts: jobs & the enviroment.
>>>>>
>>>>>bush is nothing more than a pimple on the buttock of capitlism.
>>>>>
>>>>You're minimalising his role in the current downfall of America.
>>>>How *not* supprising :)
>>>
>>>Bush is bad, But he is the result of capitlism. Expect nothing better
>>>from it.
>>>
>>I think that if the people's will gets some attention things will change for
>>the better.
>>We've been pandering to corporate interests for four years now and its been
>>VERY BAD for America.
>
>How will it change for the better?
>What will change for the better?
>
>Given kerrys record as takeing cash from, and acting in the interests
>of Monsanto, why do you think that he will listen to normal people who
>CANNOT give him hunderds of thousands of dollars??
>
"Our nation has fallen far short of the Clean Water Act’s goal of making our
waters “drinkable, swimable, and fishable.” John Kerry will lead a “Restoring
America’s Waters” Campaign to clean up our nation’s waters, protect
communities’ fresh water supplies, and help communities reclaim their
riverfronts and lake-fronts as new centers of economic growth."
>>>Bush represents the most Greedy elements of the ruleing classes, He
>>>himself is criminal, But he is nothing without their backing.
>>>
>>Yes, obviously.
>>
>>>The differences between the democrats and repuibkicans are purely
>>>tactical.
>>>
>>ANd ideological.
>
>They are both agreed that The free market and capitlism should be
>primate.
>
>Anything else than that is merely tactical.
>
Bush is not about protecting jobs, J Kerry is:
"The first thing John Kerry will do is fight his heart out to bring back the
three million jobs that have been lost under George W. Bush. He will fight to
restore the jobs lost under Bush in the first 500 days of his administration.
Kerry has proposed creating jobs through a new manufacturing jobs credit, by
investing in new energy industries, restoring technology, and stopping layoffs
in education."
>>>The republicans are so greedyt, They're stupid with it, Like bush
>>>goverment.
>>>
>>Uh huh...
>
>It's the difference between ripping the skin off the sheep and
>shearing them.
>
One kills it the other let it live in a symbiotic relationship, yes.
>>>But the democrats would move slower, Yet no less inexaborly in the
>>>direction of more corperate shill goverment.
>>>
>>Not really. Only a few dems are calling for protectionism when it comes to
the
>>jobs issue.
>>NO republicans are.
>
>Protectinism is no the answer. It still leaves othe people in poverty
>around the world.
>
>Internationkism is the key.
>
WTF?
>>
>>>If you use broken machinary, You're going to get broken products.
>>>
>>Uh huh. Thats why we need change: Kerry.
>
>Kerry comes from the same mould. He himself agrees that Capitlism and
>the free market are the only way forward.
>
>Yet it is capitlism and the free market under bush who do so much
>damage.
>
"John Kerry has a plan to secure America’s economic future and ensure that
workers can achieve the American dream in our changing economy. John Kerry has
the courage to roll back Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans so we can
invest in education and healthcare. He isn’t afraid to crack down on
corporations that are hiding their money in Bermuda to avoid paying their fair
share and will end special tax giveaways to companies that ship jobs abroad.
And he will defend the rights of workers, consumers and shareholders in holding
corporations accountable for their actions."
>>>>>He talks about the War on terror as though it were a real thing, not
>>>>>just an excuse to quash civili libeerties.
>>>>>
>>>>It is a real thing. Terrorists have attacked America at least twice you
>>>>dimbulb.
>>>
>>>the CIA supported and helped Gen. Pinochet to overthrow a
>>>democraticaly elected goverment. 30,000 died under pinochets rule.
>>>
>>America meddles in the affairs of other countries and I'm not suprised that
>>some of them attack us...whats your point?
>
>That the american goverment brings all this upon itself.
>
>They caused sept 11th as sure as the people who acutually did the
>deed.
>
No...people *chose* to fly planes into buildings based on religious beliefs.
Americas foreign policy probably helped influence their decision though.
>>>Ameircan agents helped the military dictatorhop
>>>
>>>Eisenhower supported rebels in Gutamala to overthrow ademocratical
>>>elected goverment. over 250,000 died as a direct result of american
>>>actions.
>>>
>>Yeah yeah yeah...
>
>There are literaly hunderds more.
>
I know. The whole Hatian thing has some unanswered questions.
>>>>>>>Hoorah! even more attacks on civil liberties under kerry!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"As president, I pledge to you, I’ll never wait for a green light from
>>>>>>>abroad, from any other institution"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Um...that sounds like a mis-quote.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, He really said that.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://truthout.org/docs_04/022904B.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>>Kerry also said:
>>>>>
>>>>>"Allies give us more hands in the struggle, but no president would
>>>>>ever let them tie our hands and prevent us from doing what must be
>>>>>done,"
>>>>>
>>>>Which means?
>>>
>>>*cough* Unilaterism *cough*
>>>
>>SO you're agaisnt that?
>
>I prefer Negotations, Talking, Rather than just saying "do this".
>
Then you condemn people who fly planes into buildings?
Hmmmmm...
>>>>>""I will be prepared to use military force to protect our security,
>>>>>our people and our vital interests"
>>>>>
>>>>>For vital interests, Read "oil and profit"
>>>>>
>>>>Uh huh. I'm voting for Kerry. If you don't like it you can kiss my ass :)
>>>
>>>I don't think the electronic voteing machines will let you.
>>>
>>Probably not:
>>http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
>>You'll notice that they have MANY MAN Y ties to the republicans.
>
>Yeah well, Here in england, They are preposeing to let people vote
>online with just a normal computer to a "secure" website. I dread to
>think how easily that could be hacked.
>
>Also, There have been reports of postal ballots being tampered with
>here, however, The newspaprs uddently lost interest and nothing more
>was heard about it...
>
Welcome to the Brave New World...
>>>>>>>Hoorah! unilaterlism! Just like bush!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He supported involving the CIA directly in domestic police spying,
>>>>>>>which he described as an effort to "break down the barriers between
>>>>>>>national intelligence and local law enforcement."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sounds like post-9/11 rhetoric.
>>>>>>I think he's more the civil libertarian than Bush is though.
>>>>>
>>>>>"I don’t fault George Bush for doing too much in the war on terror,I
>>>>>believe he has done too little...."
>>>>>
>>>>He did do too little. He went after the wrong guy.
>>>
>>>And the Right guy is?
>>>
>>>*cough* Henry Kissenger *cough*
>>>
>>Nope, be real:
>>http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=15238&mode=nested&order=0
>
>I read that It was saudi arabia behind sept 11th. The majority of the
>hijackers were Saudi.
>
>Micheal moores new book, I can't remember the title, but that
>postulated that it was The Saudis what done it.
>
>Cos, Even though the Saudis get american oil money, they are still
>relegious manciacs who will bite the hand that feeds them.
>
Yes.
Notice we're not attacking them though :)
>>>>>>>He also endorsed the isreali apartheid wall to divide palestine into
>>>>>>>ghettos.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>So do I :) Good fences make good neighbors.
>>>>>
>>>>>Umm... You do realise that ISreal was originaly founded on land that
>>>>>belonged to the palestians?
>>>>>
>>>>And?
>>>
>>>Is it wrong to steal other peoples land?
>>>
>>Duh. Having a defined border is bad how?
>
>That's ducking the issue, All the land in the first place was stolen
>from the palestinains.
>
>Palestines existed for over 1000 yeasr before the isrealis nicked it.
>
English invade America.
Dutch invade South Africa.
>>>>>That the palestiains were ethnicaly cleansed, Forced from their homes
>>>>>and killed.
>>>>>
>>>>No kidding?
>>>
>>>do you think that you take up suicide bombing if it was the only way
>>>you could fight the people who did that you?
>>>
>>Nope. But militant religious FUNDIES would.
>>So would xtian fundies, oh wait...Bush is a fundie :)
>>Hmmmmmmmm...
>
>I think you would. I read that most of these suicide bombers, From
>Docotrs who had seen them beofre, or from talking to their families,
>they nearly all suffered from depression and stuff like that.
>Think about it, You live in miserable poverty, no hope of a job, You
>get depressed, why not take some isrealis who stole your land while
>you're at it?
>
Its a desparate act by hopless people, sure. But there are some successful
palestinians who grow pistachios & other crops. Make things etc.
>>>>>Would you support building walls across new york to keep poor black
>>>>>people away from rich whites?
>>>>>
>>>>Of course not straw man sculptor.
>>>>
>>>>>Cos that is exactly analgous to isrealis secruity wall.
>>>>>
>>>>Nope. Blacks arnt suicide bombing rich whites.
>>>>Try again.
>>>
>>>The palestians are poor, The isralis rich.
>>
>>YOu cant support your silly Blacks are being walled in argument can you?
>>Heh eh heh...
>
>The analogy still stands, It's a case for both of exploiatation.
>The isrealis exploit the palestians, What few jobs there once where in
>palestine were things like picking fruit.
>
>The palesitans would pick the fruit, The isrealis took the fruit and
>sold it for much more. Not passing the money on.
>
>Reminds me of others...
>
What do you want me to do about it?
>>>The isrealis get rich from takeing palestian land.
>>>The palestians are poor cos their land is taken.
>>>
>>Shit...the palestinians were poor before. The israelis *did* annex farmland
>>that they shouldnt, no question.
>>
>>>White people get rich from cheap black labour, or even once, Slavery.
>>>Black people stay poor, Because white people take the fruits of their
>>>labour.
>>>
>>No kidding? WalMart hires blacks & whites and pays the all the same: poorly
:)
>>Its a problem, sure.
>
>Black people are more likely to be poor than whites. For example IIRC,
>in new york, Unemployment for black males aged 18 to 65 is more than
>40%.
>
Yes, also more likely to be incarcerated for the same offences when compared to
whites.
I dont see Bush doing anything in this area.
Heres what Kerry has to say though:
"As a prosecutor I understand the tools needed by the criminal justice system
to address crime. But as a prosecutor I also found myself repeatedly
incarcerating teenagers who had committed crimes. I found that too often young
people were letdown and neglected by the adults in their lives. Often young
offenders had not gotten the support they needed – such as caring adults in
their lives, a good education, safe affordable housing, after school programs,
or opportunities to belong to something positive.
I learned through my involvement in the YouthBuild program that for many of the
teenagers who had fallen off the edge of society it was not too late. They
still wanted to lead a positive life. They still needed to find a pathway
where adults cared about them, offered them skills, education, a positive peer
group, a way to get free of their drug and alcohol habits, and something to
belong to that opened doors to a decent future."
>>>>>The rich isrealis want to keep poor palestians out and away from their
>>>>>original land.
>>>>>
>>>>I know. I dont have the answers, you?
>>>
>>>Perhaps a unity goverment based on not ghettotiseing palestianns, But
>>>makeing them equal citizens alongside the isealis?
>>>
>>Religion gets in the way. Culture gets in the way.
>>They're both idiots if you think about it.
>>I couldnt care less about them really :)
>>If you cant work out your differences in say....100 years...fuck em.
>
>The Situation in Isreal today is probably *the* biggest source of
>global instability in the world.
>
I'd say its Islamic extreemists helping things also get worse :)
>They have nuclear weapons, They run an apartheid state.
>
>That is too dangerous to be allowed to carry on like that.
>
They're a tiny country.
>>>I do not have the exact figures, But I know they gave more money to
>>>bush than to kerry.
>>>
>>My point exactly. BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHO WILL PANDER TO THEIR INTERESTS.
>>Sorry, caps lock is sticky ;)
>
>Yes, The democrats will pander to their interested as much as
>republicans do.
>
>For example. "News Corp", They who own "fair and ballenced fox news",
>Gave $1,853,832 to the parties. 76% of that went to the democrats, 24%
>to the repulicans.
>
>Looks like Murdoch (who controls news corp and is a notrius
>reactionary in favor of tax cuts for the rich and slashing welfare et
>al) has the democratics in his pocket.
>
>The following Big corperations all gave the majority of their money to
>the democrats:
>
>AOL/Time Warner, owner of CNN
>
>Viacom, owner of CBS network
>
>Walt Disney, owner of ABC network
>
>And guess what? The Democrats support measures to allow less
>restrictions on media monopolies...
>
CITE?
>>>The republicans and Bush are just as eager to take the money as are
>>>the democrats.
>>>
>>No....really??
>
>$390,543 from Ciggerete companies went to the democrats this year.
>I'm sure they will be very "greatful" for that.
>
Sure. Every little bit helps.
>>>However, As I have already pointed out, They've given him money
>>>anyway, It doesn't make him any less likely to do what they want him
>>>to.
>>>
>>Actually it does. thats why they support Bush *more*.
>
>There are some people out there who are just *stupid* right?
>And some people who are more cunning.
>
>Well, some companies, are just *stupid*, They want to rip the skin of
>the sheep and rape the earth, But some are more cunning and they want
>to sheer it regualy and just get the earth drunk and then have their
>way with it.
>
>That probably determines who donates to the democrats or republicans.
>
You paint a very gloomy picture. Lighten up.
>>>Indeed, They will just give him more money in the future if he wins,
>>>Thus corrupting him more.
>>>
>>Nope. There is a basic difference in ideology between Dems & Republicans.
>
>What With kerry voteing for the war on iraq, For the "no child left
>behind" education thing, againt labeling GM foods as such and so on.
>
Senator Kerry supported legislation authorizing the use of force if necessary
to disarm Iraq and remove the threat posed by Saddam Hussein’s brutal and
aggressive regime, a position he has not waivered from. In the months leading
up to the war, he stressed the importance of working diplomatically to form the
broadest possible coalition so that America would have support in the difficult
task of reconstructing Iraq. “We should be particularly concerned that we do
not go alone or essentially alone if we can avoid it, because the complications
and costs of post-war Iraq would be far better managed and shared with the
United Nations’ participation,” he said in his address at Georgetown in
January. Senator Kerry continues to make the case that greater international
involvement is necessary if we are to win the peace as effectively as our
troops won the war. “We now know that the Administration went to war without a
thorough plan to win the peace” he said in recent remarks on Capitol Hill. “It
is time to face that truth and to change course—to share the post-war burden
internationally—for the sake of our country, for our standing in the world, and
most of all for the young Americans in uniform.” By involving NATO, troops from
other countries, and the United Nations, Senator Kerry believes that we can
best achieve our goal of helping the Iraqi people to create a stable and
democratic Iraq, while reducing the burden on our military and making America
more secure by increasing our ability to combat terrorism. "Winning the peace
in Iraq is critical to us because it’s going to have a profound impact on the
war on terrorism," he said in a recent interview with the Washington Post. "We
literally cannot allow ourselves to fail."
>I'd be hard put to see any.
>
>Did you know that In California, The democrats votede with the
>republicans to slash welfare rather than raise taxes on the rich?
>
You already said that. Put the bong down...
>The democrats and the republicans, Like the labour party and the
>conservative party, are loseing their differences.
>
<rolls eyes>
>>>>>just because he gets slightly, less than bush, that doesn;t make him
>>>>>any less beholden.
>>>Umm... No. Abolish Capitlism, Replace it with a planned economy in
>>>order that we can best control our enviromental impact by limiteing
>>>growth, s
>>>
>>Never happen. Greed is a human instinct. Replace humans with furries that are
>>enlightened would be more plausible ;)
>>
>>>since it is growht, Exploiting new markets which damges the enviroment
>>>most.
>>>
>>Eh?
>
>Economic growth, The process of createing new wealth, Is what damages
>the enviroment most.
>
>For example, In the amazon rainforest, McDonalds realisesd that if
>they cut down the rainforest, They'd have lots of cheap land which
>they could raise cattle on for cheap meat.
>
>Of course, This destroys the bioderversity of the rainforest, and the
>soil starts to erode after a few years, but hey! It makes lots of mony
>in the short term, since they can supply customers with lots of very
>cheap meat.
>
>God knows what effect that has on global warming, cutting down all
>those trees, And of course, When the soil starts to erode, You're
>turning the rainforsts in desert...
>
>But hey! it makes money
>
Or...
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/energy/enivronmental_justice.html
>>>>>Go and look who is donateing to kerry... Most corps hedge their bets
>>>>>and donate to both anyway... Doesnt make him any less beholden...
>>>>>
>>>>I'm well aware of the situation. I'm looking at his voting record on the
>>>>enviroment.
>>>
>>>Does not his support for GM food corps rather undermine that?
>>>
>>Not entirely. People are reacting against the whole GM food issue. Kerry is
>>more likely to listen.
>
>To Monsantos donations.. I agree.
>
Wrong as usual :)
>>>>You're not even american, wtf do you care?
>>>
>>>Why would I bother to Take "American Studies" unless I was interested
>>>in america and all aspects of it?
>>>
>>Actually.......you should have studied Russia or China as they are socialist
>>countries. America isn't, FYI.
>
>If you think either of those countrie are (currenlty, Neither of them
>claim to be socalist) or were socalist, I don't think you understand
>what socalism isl.
>
So you're going to cite a current country where your flavor of socialism
exists, right?
Try hard now :)
>>>>>>>Even if Kerry wins, The attacks on Civil liberties and the "war on
>>>>>>>terror" will continue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Um...no.
>>>>>
>>>>>But he supported the patriot act, You know as well as I that what
>>>>>poloticans promose at election time is worthless.
>>>>>
>>>>He's stated that he's not in favor of reinstateing it silly.
>>>
>>>Bush says that he is in favour of civil liberities. However, He wants
>>>a corperate dictatorship. Ashcroft et al.
>>>
>>I know.
>>
>>>Kerry claims to be against special interrests, Yet he takes money from
>>>monsanto.
>>>
>>>They are both liars.
>>>
>>I'll go with the guy who I believe in most: Kerry.
>
>Ok then, You're going to Vote Tacitaly.
>
>The lesser of two evils.
>
>That's what I will do anway. all the british Poltica parties are
>shits.
>But I'd rather have the Liberal Democrats than Labourl, And I'd rahte
>have labour than the conservatives.
>
You could have saved yourself some time by just figuring this out quickly.
>>>>>>>I wonder what America we will see in ten years time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Who knows? If it continues on the path its on then we'll have a two
tiered
>>>>>>society with a ruling class and serfs.
>>>>>>Just like the politically unstable south america.
>>>>>
>>>>>South america was raped by the spanish.
>>>>>
>>>>South america is in the sights of the Bush admin since it has oil reserves.
>>>>Deal w/ that.
>>>
>>>The Bush goverment want to overthrow the leftwing adminstration of
>>>Chavez, yes I know.
>>>
>>>Venuzuala is the 5th largest oil exporter in the world IIRC.
>>>
>>>They want the oil under their control.
>>>
>>Exactly. The d00d that leads Venezuala called Bush an asshole the other day.
>>Heh...
>
>Well, I think he was kidpnapped and held hostae by rich people.
>
He's being attacked by people funded by the US.
>>>>>>>>>>>Um... It was from a squirty bottle of toilet cleaner, The nozzle was
>>>>>>>>>>>blocked or something and I was peering down it and sqeeuzeing, I
guess
>>>>>>>>>>>i'm just lucky none went in my eyes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thats like looking into a water hose in a Three Stooges movie...its
>>just
>>>>>>>>>>something you dont do :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I didn't think, Like when I leant up againt the hot radioart, and my
>>>>>>>>>coat started smokeing. It smelt like marzipan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>PLEASE BE CAREFUL.
>>>>>>>>TIA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I always wear rubber gloves! That saves me!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not from vapors...
>>>>>
>>>>>I pull my collar up over my face for that. It's artifical fibres, They
>>>>>will filer out toxins.
>>>>>
>>>>You're an idiot.
>>>
>>>Martyr me!
>>>
>>Get a charcoal filter mask you twit!
>
>
>Owww, my fingers hurt. At least I had to think really hard.
>
I used one...they work real well.
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the welfare subsistence Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>>I haven't started takeing it yet oddly enough. I'm still on my year
>>off as I said.
>>
>Might want to stop slacking then :)
I've been useing this time to study fine art, going to canada, at
least A WHOLE HOUR!!! of life drwaing every day, doing a job, Saveing
up £3000 and so on.
I hardly think you're one to point the finger...
>>>>>>Why don't you look at people who donate to the democratic party and
>>>>>>kerrys campiegn?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, your Average Joe...not your corporate fat cat.
>>>>
>>>>perhaps you SHOULD ACUTALLY LOOK?
>>>>
>>>>perhaps you don't want to look...
>>>>
>>>Oh but I did :)
>>>www.johnkerry.com will answer all your questions on why Kerry is right for
>>>America in 2005!
>>
>>Hmm, I notice that Kerry does not anywhere acutally say what he is
>>acutally going to do.
>>
>Actually he does. You just have to know how to navigate a web site :)
He says lots a nice words, But without any acutal content.
It's all pretty flowers and no engines.
>>It's all fancy rhetoric, And no concrete polotcies or proposals at
>>all.
>>
>Try again Dave.
Cite some of these concrete promises and policies please.
Do not simply cut and paste rhetoric from the website, post some of
his concrete polices.
Like maybe raiseing income tax to 80% on people like bill gates?
>>For example, He says nothing about repealing Bushs Tax cuts, nor does
>>he suggest raiseing taxes on the rich.
>>
>Look for the issues yourself. It's all there on the web site :)
He says nothing on there about raiseing taxes for the rich, nor a free
at point of use healtchare scheme.
>>Americas economy is a house of cards, it is dependant on constant
>>forieng investment, Since there is not enough money comeing in from
>>taxes, cos taxes on corps and the rich are so low.
>>
>Some buisnesses pay taxes : small buisness.
>
>>Also look at this:
>>
>>http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/natservice/
>>
>>"John Kerry will propose a comprehensive service plan that includes
>>requiring mandatory service for high school students"
>>
>>I'm betting that he's goung to reintroduce the Draft, under the guise
>>of "national service" of course.
>>
>Dimbulb, click on the "+" signs to see the details:
>
>"The highest form of service is military service. America's military is having
>trouble recruiting and is increasingly relying on the reserves for active duty.
>John Kerry believes we must change that. The complicated missions we face and
>technologies we use depend on it. In a Kerry Administration, no university that
>receives federal aid will be allowed to ban the ROTC from their campus, except
>for religious reasons. And the ROTC scholarship program will be adequately
>funded so that students can attend the college of their choice. John Kerry will
>also make modernizing our GI benefits a top priority, because no program has
>been more successful increasing educational opportunities for veterans while
>also providing an incentive for the best and brightest to make a career out of
>military."
>
>Thats not a draft you ninny, thats incentive programs.
"Mandatory service for high school students"
Did you note the word "mandatory"?
You know as well as I, that once some legislation has been passed and
put into action, it's very hard to reverse it and/or to get poloticans
to give it up.
Once some kind of "mandatory service" regime is in place, It becomes
that much easier to introduce the draft again.
Think of it as draft-lite.
>>>>>>oh! look! It's the same rich people and companies who donate to the
>>>>>>republicans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Somewhat, as the corp's who donate try and play *both* sides of the fence.
>>>But
>>>>>the lions share goes to the Republicans.
>>>>
>>>>You think kerry is going to be any less "greatful" to the people who
>>>>donate to him than bush is?
>>>>
>>>Yes.
>>
>>Provide some precendent for that.
>>
>I could say DYOFDW but since you're a lazy slacker taking a year off...
I'm learning more about the world, As oppose to being shoved off to
university straight from school.
>"John Kerry has a plan to secure America’s economic future and ensure that
>workers can achieve the American dream in our changing economy. John Kerry has
>the courage to roll back Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans so we can
Which of bushes taxs cuts will he be rolling back?
Why will he not be increaseing tax on the rich?
Also, The idea of "the american dream" is fundament
>invest in education and healthcare. He isn’t afraid to crack down on
>corporations that are hiding their money in Bermuda to avoid paying their fair
Which corperations are these? can he not give any examples?
>share and will end special tax giveaways to companies that ship jobs abroad.
>And he will defend the rights of workers, consumers and shareholders in holding
>corporations accountable for their actions."
>
>Happy now?
How exactly will he hold corperations responsible for their actions?
It's all Spin and no substance is what he says.
>>Did you notice how he voted against a bill to label GM food as
>>containing GM, cos he'd been funded by Monsanto?
>>
>CITE :)
In 2000, after Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) introduced a labeling law
that would have given Americans the right to know whether the foods
they ate contained genetically modified organisms, Kerry refused to
support that bill.
Monsanto didn't like that bill.
Check that out for yourself.
The law firm of Mintz, Levin, Cohn, et. al., specializes in
biotechnology law. One of their most important clients is Monsanto.
Mintz, Levin, Cohn has acted as counsel in funding biotech
acquisitions by raising nearly $800 million. Mintz, Levin & Cohn also
represents Monsanto in PCB litigation.
Guess what? in campaign donations from 1997 through 2002, Mintz, Levin
& Cohn gave. $54,700 to kerry.
>>If he does win, can you imagine how long it will take for the oil
>>industry to name but one, To start lineing his coffers?
>>
>>And then, Given the precedent of the Monsanto donations, why should he
>>not serve their interests as well?
>>
>Read above what Ive quoted, ninny.
>>
>>>>The rich can corrupt kerry with their cash. Any mainstram polotican
>>>>can be corrupted, Even Nader would be.
>>>>
>>>Wrong.
>>
>>Prove it. Kerry took money from Monsanto, he voted against something
>>that would harm them.
>>
>CITE :)
I posted that in the messg. before last, did you not read it properly?
>>>>>>Banks, GM compnanies... and more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you think they are hedgeing their bets?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Of course :)
>>>>>Its what lobbyists do.
>>>>
>>>>And you think kerry will disapoint them? Those who have given him lots
>>>>of money?
>>>
>>>Enviro groups donate...think about it :)
>>
>>In trying to influence the policy of polotcians by donateing, They are
>>trying to play the corperations at their own game.
>>
>Whatever it takes.
>
>>They will fail because corperatiosn have much more money anyway,
>>because they don't give a toss about the enviroment or ethics.
>>
>Yes...lets all give up hope then huh Dave?
>
>>Also, By trying to influence policy through donatuions, They are
>>legitmiseing the game that corperations play anway, And since the
>>corps will always have more money, They will lose anyway.
>>
>Why do you bother to get out of bed w/ an attitude like that?
You're going to die one day.
Why do you bother to get out of bed knowing that?
>>>>>>>Bush- awol during his National Guard duties.
>>>>>>>Kerry- Good voting record on the enviroment.
>>>>>>>Bush- horrible record on the enviroment and hand-picks science staffers
>>>that
>>>>>>>share his ideology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Kerry voted for the USA Patriot Act, he voted for Bush’s "No Child
>>>>>>Left Behind" education bill, and he voted to authorize Bush to go to
>>>>>>war against Iraq for oil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Ok...but like I said; Patriot sunsets in '05 and Bush has said repeatedly
>>>that
>>>>>he'll support furthering it, Kerry has said its time is over.
>>>>
>>>>But do you really think that a poloticans promises at election time
>>>>are worth anything at all?
>>>>
>>>Sometimes.
>>
>>But Kerry says that hes against special interests, yet takes money
>>from monsanto. Hmm.
>>
>CITE :)
See Above.
>>>Thats the mark of a true leader.
>>
>>No, That's the mark of an oppurtunist. Someone who hitches their star
>>to whatever bandwagon that comes along.
>>
>>He voted For the "no child left behind act" when it bush pushed it
>>(and it's obvious to you I'm sure that nothing bush pushes can be any
>>good) and then he turns around and says its bad!
>>
>>He should know! he voted for it in the first place!
>>
>>The very fact that kerry went with the tide in the first place and
>>voted for the Patrioat Act shows that he himself is weak.
>>
>>A true leader would have stuck to his principles.
>>
>Yawn. I'm still voting for Kerry :)
You should put your fingers in your ears and shout:
"na na na I can't hear you!"
It would be more honest.
>>>>Since the patriot act was in itself, a massive assualt on civil
>>>>rights.
>>>>
>>>Yes, yes it is.
>>
>>And kerry supported it.
>>
>Whine about it lots more now :)
Those are the words of a man who knows he is in the wrong.
>>>>>>If he supports a war on iraq for oil, Do you really think that he
>>>>>>seriously cares about renewables?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Yes. His record on the enviroment is much better than Bushes.
>>>>
>>>>Except when it comes to GM crop companies and their attempts to
>>>>control the Food chain eh?
>>>>
>>>Oh dear, you really need you some re-education on the subject of who is worse
>>>to the enviroment:
>>>http://www.bushgreenwatch.org/mt_archives/000067.php
>>
>>Two wrongs don't make a right. Bush is Bad, But so are the GM corps
>>and their attempts to control the food chain and use increasing
>>amounyts of pesticide and increasing in "factory farming".
>>
>>The whole Intensive factory farming road is a dead end anyway since it
>>ends in soil erosion and leaching allthe nutrients from the soil and
>>haveing to use increasing amounts of fertiliser just to keep curret
>>harvests going.
>>
>>They will have to run, just to stand still.
>>
>"Throughout his career, John Kerry has been a top leader on the environment,
>fighting to clean up toxic waste sites, to keep our air and water clean, and to
>protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and other pristine wilderness
>areas.
Pure rhetoric.
>In addition to supporting important environmental initiatives, John
And how many of those
>Kerry has turned a spotlight on the Bush Administration’s rollbacks of our
>hard-won environmental gains and their outdated, old-economy notions that our
>environment must be sacrificed in the name of short-term profit. John Kerry has
So, We should sacrifice it in the name of long term profit then?
>the courage to take on the polluters that are trying to gut our clean air and
>water laws. John Kerry has the vision to create a new Manhattan Project to make
>America independent of Middle East oil in 10 years by creating alternative
>fuels like ethanol and making cars more efficient. We’ll create half a million
>new jobs here at home at the same time – and we’ll never have to send our sons
>and daughters to war for Mideast oil."
That's fecking stupid, Since you need so much land to grow all that
corn for ethanol that given americans current consumption, you'd need
to grow corn over the entire of north america just to fuel it all.
Not to mention, it still contributes to global warming.
>>>>>>He says one thing, Does another...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sounds to me like he's a pure oppurtunist. He goes with what be
>>>>>>popular to get himself into a posuition of power, And then once he's
>>>>>>there, He does whatever the rich tell him to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Ummmm...no.
>>>>
>>>>But he takes the Corperate Shill from Monsanto...
>>>>
>>>As a democrat? So you're saying that the dems get some money from corps?
>>>Duh.
>>
>>The fact that they take money from corps makes them a tool of the
>>corps./
>>
>>For example, in california, The democrats voted with the republicans
>>to slash welfare instead of raiseing taxes.
>>
>Californians are stupid enough to elect Arnold, what do you expect?
Quack. Quack. sounds like you're ducking the issue!
>>>>>>>>Kerry has not made any concrete promises to raise taxes or even get
>>>>>>>>rids of bushs tax cuts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Kerry is a waffler to be sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Deflection eh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Being honest gets you bad points now?
>>>>>Then I guess you've been lieing to me & the rest of us all along right,
>Dave?
>>>>
>>>>I've always made my political views quite clear from the start.
>>>>
>>>Socialism wont work in america dear...
>>
>>On what basis do you make that astonshingly sweeping statement?
>>
>A 200 year relatively successful experiment in democracy :)
America is not a democracy, It's a republic with limited sufferage.
Still it''s funny how that never stoped Bush stealing the election eh?
Or Slavery.
Or Genocide (of the indians)
Or wars over oil.
Yeah, Realy sucessful eh?
>>Have you ever read "The German ideology" or "capital"?
>>
>No...tell me more.
>
>>Do you have even the vaguest idea as to their content?
>>
>Of course not :)
I expected nothing but.
>>>>I do not so any virtue in Bush, Nor do I see any Virtue in Kerry, nor
>>>>in Nader.
>>>>
>>>So we sit on our hands and do nothing?
>>>DOnt vote, huh?
>>>Sorry, I'm voting for change: Kerry.
>>
>>LOL!
>>Kerry is owned by the Big corperations. He is commited to Capitlism
>>and the free market as is.
>>
>>He will not do anythign which would threaten the wealth of the rich or
>>their power.
>>
>>This means that he will not stop abuse of the enviroment if it
>>threantens profits.
>>
>>You Could vote For the Socalist Equality party, Who are standing, But
>>I'm sure that you'd rather haveing the thinking done for you.
>>
>No...I'm not an ignorant twit who will throw his vote away on an untenable
>candidate who has *NO* chance of winning.
>Try again :)
Sure, You'll still get an assualt on freedom and liberty and the
enviroment whoever wins of the two.
>>>>IMO, only socalism and Socalist parties will bring the change that is
>>>>needed.
>>>>
>>>And since they will never arrive...you can wait forever then.
>>
>>The age of global capitlism is already upon us. Do you not see the
>>increasing unrest and war all around the world?
>>
>>At some point, there will be a massive thrust for change.
>>
>Or more behind the scenes deals like how Aristide got squeezed out by western
>influences :)
The french and the americans did it together I read.
It's odd that, Supposedly france is teh evil, But when it comes to
common interests, like power... Europe and America march in lockstep.
Bush stole the election, nothing any third candidate could do would
have helped nor hindered that.
To suggest that peopel should not stand is profoundly anti-democratic
in itself.
>>>But I think you're arguing for not bothering to vote, which is very bad.
>>>Voteing = democracy.
>>>Your current grade in Am Studies: C-.
>>
>>The Socalist Equality Party is running for the presidential election.
>>
>>http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/stat-j27.shtml
>>
>Heh...you mean this guy?
>"Its candidates are Bill Van Auken for president and Jim Lawrence for vice
>president. Bill Van Auken, 54, is a full-time writer for the World Socialist
>Web Site. "
>
>He's elected himself as candidate.
>Well maybe I should run as King of Hoemstead.
>ROTFLMAO!
No, he was chosen by the socalist equality party to be their
candidate.
>>>>Or is this an act in order to persuade certain people of something
>>>>that they can use?
>>>>
>>>We're all against you Dave :)
>>
>>Would you like me to make a "voices" and/or Schizophrenia Lamer here?
>>
>Could you? It'd make my job a little easier :)
<insert "You don't have a real job" lamer here>
>>>>>>>>He hasn't even said he';ll do anything about the patrioat act.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He has said that when the so-called Patriot act sunsets (comes up for
>>>reveiw)
>>>>>>>in '05 that he won't support it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He supported it originaly did he not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Duh. But the original act had a sunset clause. Or are you too stupid to
>>>>>understand that concept you mental midget?
>>>>
>>>>What you gonna do if he says that THE WAR ON TERROR needs to go on
>>>>even longer and the act needs to stay?
>>>>
>>>We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
>>
>>A-Ha!
>>
>Ive already posted MB's of info & quotes...serious people are now well
>informed. You can taunt me all you want, I'm still voting Kerry.
At this point you should be saying:
"na na na na na, I can't hear you" and sticking your fingers in your
ears.
>>>>You know well as I, that what poloticans promise in election time
>>>>means nothing.
>>>>
>>>Often that is true. I'm looking at one thing which is very important to me:
>>>voting record on enviromental policy.
>>>Bush looses there in a BIG way.
>>>No contest.
>>
>>In 1997, Kerry voted for a resolution, which passed 95-0, saying the
>>US "should not be a signatory" to the Kyoto Treaty.
>>
>CITE :)
Go and check the offical Records for yourself. You'll see its there.
I'm not going to do your work for you.
>>Despite what he spouts, The truth outs in his actions. He votes
>>against something which tried to deal with the greatest enviromental
>>threat we currently face: Global warming.
>>
>"John Kerry understands that some of our most serious environmental challenges
>– and opportunities – are taking place on an international stage and that they
>require American leadership in the international community. Unlike the Bush
>Administration, John Kerry will not abdicate this responsibility and
>opportunity. When John Kerry is president, the U.S. will reengage in the
>development of an international climate change strategy to address global
Development? But a strategy was already developed... Kyoto!
There is no "dialogue", Just the fact that peopel should be reduceing
carbon emissions.
But of course, This is the same kerry who voted for a resultion which
said that the US "should not be a signatory" to Kyoto.
He's just going to obstuficate over the issue.
He says fine words, But no concrete promises.
>warming, and identify workable responses that provide opportunities for
>American technology and know-how. And a Kerry Administration will meet new
So he's only interested in doing anything, if it uses "american
technology" and "knowhow" eh?
Sounds like He doesn't acutally care about the enviroment, only about
American technology, I.e the corps who make and control it.
>challenges associated with the global exploitation of marine resources and the
>global crisis of access to fresh water supplies."
>
>Try reading teh webby site you id'jit?
It's smoke and mirrors. HTH.
>>>>>>If he truly didn't belive in it, He would have never supported it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Sure...how many politicians voted against it? It passed with an
>overwhelming
>>>>>majority in both the house and the senate.
>>>>
>>>>That only proves that they're *all* rotten.
>>>>
>>>So we just ditch the system or like I think you mean: dont bother voting.
>>>Sorry Dave, I gots my votin card & Ima gonna vote John Kerry.
>>>So there, NYEAH :P
>>
>>Vote Socalist in 2004. HTH.
>>
>Translation: throw you vote away and help Bush get re-elected.
>Sorry Dave, no can do :)
You'll merely get bush in sheeps clotheing anyway.
You're damned if you do, And damned if you don't.
As I've already proved, kerry takes money from the Corps.
Roll on Corperate puppet election.
>>>>>>>>Kerry is attacking bush from the RIGHT not the left.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He's hitting Bush where it hurts: jobs & the enviroment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>bush is nothing more than a pimple on the buttock of capitlism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>You're minimalising his role in the current downfall of America.
>>>>>How *not* supprising :)
>>>>
>>>>Bush is bad, But he is the result of capitlism. Expect nothing better
>>>>from it.
>>>>
>>>I think that if the people's will gets some attention things will change for
>>>the better.
>>>We've been pandering to corporate interests for four years now and its been
>>>VERY BAD for America.
>>
>>How will it change for the better?
>>What will change for the better?
>>
>>Given kerrys record as takeing cash from, and acting in the interests
>>of Monsanto, why do you think that he will listen to normal people who
>>CANNOT give him hunderds of thousands of dollars??
>>
>"Our nation has fallen far short of the Clean Water Act’s goal of making our
>waters “drinkable, swimable, and fishable.” John Kerry will lead a “Restoring
nice words, But where is the concrete action and/or promises?
>America’s Waters” Campaign to clean up our nation’s waters, protect
>communities’ fresh water supplies, and help communities reclaim their
>riverfronts and lake-fronts as new centers of economic growth."
But kerry takes money from monsanto and votes in favour for them, What
if some water companies slip him some cash to look the other way?
Given his record...
>>>>Bush represents the most Greedy elements of the ruleing classes, He
>>>>himself is criminal, But he is nothing without their backing.
>>>>
>>>Yes, obviously.
>>>
>>>>The differences between the democrats and repuibkicans are purely
>>>>tactical.
>>>>
>>>ANd ideological.
>>
>>They are both agreed that The free market and capitlism should be
>>primate.
>>
>>Anything else than that is merely tactical.
>>
>Bush is not about protecting jobs, J Kerry is:
>"The first thing John Kerry will do is fight his heart out to bring back the
>three million jobs that have been lost under George W. Bush. He will fight to
>restore the jobs lost under Bush in the first 500 days of his administration.
>Kerry has proposed creating jobs through a new manufacturing jobs credit, by
>investing in new energy industries, restoring technology, and stopping layoffs
>in education."
How exactly will he do this?
Again, anyone can say what he says, yet he makes no acutal concrete
promises.
It's all smoke and mirrors.
>>>>The republicans are so greedyt, They're stupid with it, Like bush
>>>>goverment.
>>>>
>>>Uh huh...
>>
>>It's the difference between ripping the skin off the sheep and
>>shearing them.
>>
>One kills it the other let it live in a symbiotic relationship, yes.
The sheep merely gets its keep, while the owner profits from the
wool...
as it is with the surplus labour of workers being stolen.
>>>>But the democrats would move slower, Yet no less inexaborly in the
>>>>direction of more corperate shill goverment.
>>>>
>>>Not really. Only a few dems are calling for protectionism when it comes to
>the
>>>jobs issue.
>>>NO republicans are.
>>
>>Protectinism is no the answer. It still leaves othe people in poverty
>>around the world.
>>
>>Internationkism is the key.
>>
>WTF?
ATM, The drive is for firms to make as much moneyt as possible
>>>
>>>>If you use broken machinary, You're going to get broken products.
>>>>
>>>Uh huh. Thats why we need change: Kerry.
>>
>>Kerry comes from the same mould. He himself agrees that Capitlism and
>>the free market are the only way forward.
>>
>>Yet it is capitlism and the free market under bush who do so much
>>damage.
>>
>"John Kerry has a plan to secure America’s economic future and ensure that
>workers can achieve the American dream in our changing economy. John Kerry has
>the courage to roll back Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans so we can
>invest in education and healthcare. He isn’t afraid to crack down on
>corporations that are hiding their money in Bermuda to avoid paying their fair
>share and will end special tax giveaways to companies that ship jobs abroad.
>And he will defend the rights of workers, consumers and shareholders in holding
>corporations accountable for their actions."
How will he do this?
>>>>>>He talks about the War on terror as though it were a real thing, not
>>>>>>just an excuse to quash civili libeerties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>It is a real thing. Terrorists have attacked America at least twice you
>>>>>dimbulb.
>>>>
>>>>the CIA supported and helped Gen. Pinochet to overthrow a
>>>>democraticaly elected goverment. 30,000 died under pinochets rule.
>>>>
>>>America meddles in the affairs of other countries and I'm not suprised that
>>>some of them attack us...whats your point?
>>
>>That the american goverment brings all this upon itself.
>>
>>They caused sept 11th as sure as the people who acutually did the
>>deed.
>>
>No...people *chose* to fly planes into buildings based on religious beliefs.
>Americas foreign policy probably helped influence their decision though.
>>>>Ameircan agents helped the military dictatorhop
>>>>
>>>>Eisenhower supported rebels in Gutamala to overthrow ademocratical
>>>>elected goverment. over 250,000 died as a direct result of american
>>>>actions.
>>>>
>>>Yeah yeah yeah...
>>
>>There are literaly hunderds more.
>>
>I know. The whole Hatian thing has some unanswered questions.
Also, There have been reports that people who are detained by the
british in iraq, have been dieing of heart attacks, But when the
faimilys come to collect the bodies, they find bruises, broken limbs
and stuff.
Hmm, I wonder, Could british soldiers be beating iraquis to
death?!?!?!
>>>>>>>>Hoorah! even more attacks on civil liberties under kerry!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"As president, I pledge to you, I’ll never wait for a green light from
>>>>>>>>abroad, from any other institution"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Um...that sounds like a mis-quote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, He really said that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://truthout.org/docs_04/022904B.shtml
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Kerry also said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Allies give us more hands in the struggle, but no president would
>>>>>>ever let them tie our hands and prevent us from doing what must be
>>>>>>done,"
>>>>>>
>>>>>Which means?
>>>>
>>>>*cough* Unilaterism *cough*
>>>>
>>>SO you're agaisnt that?
>>
>>I prefer Negotations, Talking, Rather than just saying "do this".
>>
>Then you condemn people who fly planes into buildings?
>Hmmmmm...
That was the Saudis who probably arranged that, They are relegious
crackpots.
Relegious crackpots are excluded. That includes falwell and the like.
>>>>>>""I will be prepared to use military force to protect our security,
>>>>>>our people and our vital interests"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>For vital interests, Read "oil and profit"
>>>>>>
>>>>>Uh huh. I'm voting for Kerry. If you don't like it you can kiss my ass :)
>>>>
>>>>I don't think the electronic voteing machines will let you.
>>>>
>>>Probably not:
>>>http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
>>>You'll notice that they have MANY MAN Y ties to the republicans.
>>
>>Yeah well, Here in england, They are preposeing to let people vote
>>online with just a normal computer to a "secure" website. I dread to
>>think how easily that could be hacked.
>>
>>Also, There have been reports of postal ballots being tampered with
>>here, however, The newspaprs uddently lost interest and nothing more
>>was heard about it...
>>
>Welcome to the Brave New World...
A british MP swapped houses for votes, then fled to isreal IIRC.
>>>>>>>>Hoorah! unilaterlism! Just like bush!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>He supported involving the CIA directly in domestic police spying,
>>>>>>>>which he described as an effort to "break down the barriers between
>>>>>>>>national intelligence and local law enforcement."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sounds like post-9/11 rhetoric.
>>>>>>>I think he's more the civil libertarian than Bush is though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"I don’t fault George Bush for doing too much in the war on terror,I
>>>>>>believe he has done too little...."
>>>>>>
>>>>>He did do too little. He went after the wrong guy.
>>>>
>>>>And the Right guy is?
>>>>
>>>>*cough* Henry Kissenger *cough*
>>>>
>>>Nope, be real:
>>>http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=15238&mode=nested&order=0
>>
>>I read that It was saudi arabia behind sept 11th. The majority of the
>>hijackers were Saudi.
>>
>>Micheal moores new book, I can't remember the title, but that
>>postulated that it was The Saudis what done it.
>>
>>Cos, Even though the Saudis get american oil money, they are still
>>relegious manciacs who will bite the hand that feeds them.
>>
>Yes.
>Notice we're not attacking them though :)
They even sent a special plane to send them home after septh 11th.
>>>>>>>>He also endorsed the isreali apartheid wall to divide palestine into
>>>>>>>>ghettos.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So do I :) Good fences make good neighbors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Umm... You do realise that ISreal was originaly founded on land that
>>>>>>belonged to the palestians?
>>>>>>
>>>>>And?
>>>>
>>>>Is it wrong to steal other peoples land?
>>>>
>>>Duh. Having a defined border is bad how?
>>
>>That's ducking the issue, All the land in the first place was stolen
>>from the palestinains.
>>
>>Palestines existed for over 1000 yeasr before the isrealis nicked it.
>>
>English invade America.
>Dutch invade South Africa.
This is modern times.
>>>>>>That the palestiains were ethnicaly cleansed, Forced from their homes
>>>>>>and killed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>No kidding?
>>>>
>>>>do you think that you take up suicide bombing if it was the only way
>>>>you could fight the people who did that you?
>>>>
>>>Nope. But militant religious FUNDIES would.
>>>So would xtian fundies, oh wait...Bush is a fundie :)
>>>Hmmmmmmmm...
>>
>>I think you would. I read that most of these suicide bombers, From
>>Docotrs who had seen them beofre, or from talking to their families,
>>they nearly all suffered from depression and stuff like that.
>>Think about it, You live in miserable poverty, no hope of a job, You
>>get depressed, why not take some isrealis who stole your land while
>>you're at it?
>>
>Its a desparate act by hopless people, sure. But there are some successful
>palestinians who grow pistachios & other crops. Make things etc.
Not anymore. Palestines economy has utterly collapsed. and kerry
doesn't care. He saus that arafay is an "outlaw".
He courts the jewish vote.
>>>>>>Would you support building walls across new york to keep poor black
>>>>>>people away from rich whites?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Of course not straw man sculptor.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Cos that is exactly analgous to isrealis secruity wall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Nope. Blacks arnt suicide bombing rich whites.
>>>>>Try again.
>>>>
>>>>The palestians are poor, The isralis rich.
>>>
>>>YOu cant support your silly Blacks are being walled in argument can you?
>>>Heh eh heh...
>>
>>The analogy still stands, It's a case for both of exploiatation.
>>The isrealis exploit the palestians, What few jobs there once where in
>>palestine were things like picking fruit.
>>
>>The palesitans would pick the fruit, The isrealis took the fruit and
>>sold it for much more. Not passing the money on.
>>
>>Reminds me of others...
>>
>What do you want me to do about it?
Get a paper knife and carve your way into history.
Americans prisons are privatised, This creates a powerful inpetus to
carry on locking people up, since people profit from it.
will he unprivatise prisons?
FWIW, Britian is inviteing american companies to come over here and
build privatised prisons.
I think we're probably going to end up the 52nd state or something.
>>>>>>The rich isrealis want to keep poor palestians out and away from their
>>>>>>original land.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I know. I dont have the answers, you?
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps a unity goverment based on not ghettotiseing palestianns, But
>>>>makeing them equal citizens alongside the isealis?
>>>>
>>>Religion gets in the way. Culture gets in the way.
>>>They're both idiots if you think about it.
>>>I couldnt care less about them really :)
>>>If you cant work out your differences in say....100 years...fuck em.
>>
>>The Situation in Isreal today is probably *the* biggest source of
>>global instability in the world.
>>
>I'd say its Islamic extreemists helping things also get worse :)
>
>>They have nuclear weapons, They run an apartheid state.
>>
>>That is too dangerous to be allowed to carry on like that.
>>
>They're a tiny country.
A tiny country with NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
Isreal has Nuclear missle armed submarines.
It purchased them from germany.
With them, They can potentialy hit any place in the world.
>>>>I do not have the exact figures, But I know they gave more money to
>>>>bush than to kerry.
>>>>
>>>My point exactly. BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHO WILL PANDER TO THEIR INTERESTS.
>>>Sorry, caps lock is sticky ;)
>>
>>Yes, The democrats will pander to their interested as much as
>>republicans do.
>>
>>For example. "News Corp", They who own "fair and ballenced fox news",
>>Gave $1,853,832 to the parties. 76% of that went to the democrats, 24%
>>to the repulicans.
>>
>>Looks like Murdoch (who controls news corp and is a notrius
>>reactionary in favor of tax cuts for the rich and slashing welfare et
>>al) has the democratics in his pocket.
>>
>>The following Big corperations all gave the majority of their money to
>>the democrats:
>>
>>AOL/Time Warner, owner of CNN
>>
>>Viacom, owner of CBS network
>>
>>Walt Disney, owner of ABC network
>>
>>And guess what? The Democrats support measures to allow less
>>restrictions on media monopolies...
>>
>CITE?
You're getting lazy now. Look on the guardianonline website.
>>>>The republicans and Bush are just as eager to take the money as are
>>>>the democrats.
>>>>
>>>No....really??
>>
>>$390,543 from Ciggerete companies went to the democrats this year.
>>I'm sure they will be very "greatful" for that.
>>
>Sure. Every little bit helps.
>
>>>>However, As I have already pointed out, They've given him money
>>>>anyway, It doesn't make him any less likely to do what they want him
>>>>to.
>>>>
>>>Actually it does. thats why they support Bush *more*.
>>
>>There are some people out there who are just *stupid* right?
>>And some people who are more cunning.
>>
>>Well, some companies, are just *stupid*, They want to rip the skin of
>>the sheep and rape the earth, But some are more cunning and they want
>>to sheer it regualy and just get the earth drunk and then have their
>>way with it.
>>
>>That probably determines who donates to the democrats or republicans.
>>
>You paint a very gloomy picture. Lighten up.
No, I like useing black.
>>>>Indeed, They will just give him more money in the future if he wins,
>>>>Thus corrupting him more.
>>>>
>>>Nope. There is a basic difference in ideology between Dems & Republicans.
>>
>>What With kerry voteing for the war on iraq, For the "no child left
>>behind" education thing, againt labeling GM foods as such and so on.
>>
>Senator Kerry supported legislation authorizing the use of force if necessary
>to disarm Iraq and remove the threat posed by Saddam Hussein’s brutal and
>aggressive regime, a position he has not waivered from. In the months leading
>up to the war, he stressed the importance of working diplomatically to form the
>broadest possible coalition so that America would have support in the difficult
>task of reconstructing Iraq. “We should be particularly concerned that we do
You do know that the reconstruction of iraq is just an excuse to
transfer moneyt from the goverment to hallibirutons et al yea?
>not go alone or essentially alone if we can avoid it, because the complications
>and costs of post-war Iraq would be far better managed and shared with the
>United Nations’ participation,” he said in his address at Georgetown in
>January. Senator Kerry continues to make the case that greater international
>involvement is necessary if we are to win the peace as effectively as our
>troops won the war. “We now know that the Administration went to war without a
>thorough plan to win the peace” he said in recent remarks on Capitol Hill. “It
>is time to face that truth and to change course—to share the post-war burden
>internationally—for the sake of our country, for our standing in the world, and
>most of all for the young Americans in uniform.” By involving NATO, troops from
>other countries, and the United Nations, Senator Kerry believes that we can
>best achieve our goal of helping the Iraqi people to create a stable and
>democratic Iraq, while reducing the burden on our military and making America
>more secure by increasing our ability to combat terrorism. "Winning the peace
>in Iraq is critical to us because it’s going to have a profound impact on the
>war on terrorism," he said in a recent interview with the Washington Post. "We
>literally cannot allow ourselves to fail."
Yes, the new imperalism.
>>I'd be hard put to see any.
>>
>>Did you know that In California, The democrats votede with the
>>republicans to slash welfare rather than raise taxes on the rich?
>>
>You already said that. Put the bong down...
>
>>The democrats and the republicans, Like the labour party and the
>>conservative party, are loseing their differences.
>>
><rolls eyes>
It's true. They move further and fruther to the right.
Yesterday, The conservative front bench secreuity spokesmen said that
he thought that britians firearms laws were too trestrictive and that
people should be allowed to own handguns.
all the other parties called on him to resign for saying that, and the
conservatives refused to suport his statements.
That makes me proud a bit.
If he is comminted to capitlism, How can he cahnge this?
>>>>>>Go and look who is donateing to kerry... Most corps hedge their bets
>>>>>>and donate to both anyway... Doesnt make him any less beholden...
>>>>>>
>>>>>I'm well aware of the situation. I'm looking at his voting record on the
>>>>>enviroment.
>>>>
>>>>Does not his support for GM food corps rather undermine that?
>>>>
>>>Not entirely. People are reacting against the whole GM food issue. Kerry is
>>>more likely to listen.
>>
>>To Monsantos donations.. I agree.
>>
>Wrong as usual :)
No.
>>>>>You're not even american, wtf do you care?
>>>>
>>>>Why would I bother to Take "American Studies" unless I was interested
>>>>in america and all aspects of it?
>>>>
>>>Actually.......you should have studied Russia or China as they are socialist
>>>countries. America isn't, FYI.
>>
>>If you think either of those countrie are (currenlty, Neither of them
>>claim to be socalist) or were socalist, I don't think you understand
>>what socalism isl.
>>
>So you're going to cite a current country where your flavor of socialism
>exists, right?
>Try hard now :)
None of course. It's not in the interests of the ruleing classes to
allow it.
>>>>>>>>Even if Kerry wins, The attacks on Civil liberties and the "war on
>>>>>>>>terror" will continue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Um...no.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But he supported the patriot act, You know as well as I that what
>>>>>>poloticans promose at election time is worthless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>He's stated that he's not in favor of reinstateing it silly.
>>>>
>>>>Bush says that he is in favour of civil liberities. However, He wants
>>>>a corperate dictatorship. Ashcroft et al.
>>>>
>>>I know.
>>>
>>>>Kerry claims to be against special interrests, Yet he takes money from
>>>>monsanto.
>>>>
>>>>They are both liars.
>>>>
>>>I'll go with the guy who I believe in most: Kerry.
>>
>>Ok then, You're going to Vote Tacitaly.
>>
>>The lesser of two evils.
>>
>>That's what I will do anway. all the british Poltica parties are
>>shits.
>>But I'd rather have the Liberal Democrats than Labourl, And I'd rahte
>>have labour than the conservatives.
>>
>You could have saved yourself some time by just figuring this out quickly.
NO!
>>>>>>>>I wonder what America we will see in ten years time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Who knows? If it continues on the path its on then we'll have a two
>tiered
>>>>>>>society with a ruling class and serfs.
>>>>>>>Just like the politically unstable south america.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>South america was raped by the spanish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>South america is in the sights of the Bush admin since it has oil reserves.
>>>>>Deal w/ that.
>>>>
>>>>The Bush goverment want to overthrow the leftwing adminstration of
>>>>Chavez, yes I know.
>>>>
>>>>Venuzuala is the 5th largest oil exporter in the world IIRC.
>>>>
>>>>They want the oil under their control.
>>>>
>>>Exactly. The d00d that leads Venezuala called Bush an asshole the other day.
>>>Heh...
>>
>>Well, I think he was kidpnapped and held hostae by rich people.
>>
>He's being attacked by people funded by the US.
Even though he has privatised utilities and stuff.
If they were patient with him, he'd do what they want.
but as I say, Bush and pals are so stupid that they'd tear the skin
off the sheep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Um... It was from a squirty bottle of toilet cleaner, The nozzle was
>>>>>>>>>>>>blocked or something and I was peering down it and sqeeuzeing, I
>guess
>>>>>>>>>>>>i'm just lucky none went in my eyes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Thats like looking into a water hose in a Three Stooges movie...its
>>>just
>>>>>>>>>>>something you dont do :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I didn't think, Like when I leant up againt the hot radioart, and my
>>>>>>>>>>coat started smokeing. It smelt like marzipan.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>PLEASE BE CAREFUL.
>>>>>>>>>TIA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I always wear rubber gloves! That saves me!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not from vapors...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I pull my collar up over my face for that. It's artifical fibres, They
>>>>>>will filer out toxins.
>>>>>>
>>>>>You're an idiot.
>>>>
>>>>Martyr me!
>>>>
>>>Get a charcoal filter mask you twit!
>>
>>
>>Owww, my fingers hurt. At least I had to think really hard.
>>
>I used one...they work real well.
I have bags of charcol for the fishtank filters, Could't I just strap
one to my face?
§ńühwřŁf
>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>>I haven't started takeing it yet oddly enough. I'm still on my year
>>>off as I said.
>>>
>>Might want to stop slacking then :)
>
>I've been useing this time to study fine art, going to canada,
You're in canada? Why didn't you say so?
:)
>at
>least A WHOLE HOUR!!! of life drwaing every day, doing a job, Saveing
>up £3000 and so on.
>I hardly think you're one to point the finger...
>
I have a difficult intro to M$ Office class to attend...
>>>>>>>Why don't you look at people who donate to the democratic party and
>>>>>>>kerrys campiegn?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah, your Average Joe...not your corporate fat cat.
>>>>>
>>>>>perhaps you SHOULD ACUTALLY LOOK?
>>>>>
>>>>>perhaps you don't want to look...
>>>>>
>>>>Oh but I did :)
>>>>www.johnkerry.com will answer all your questions on why Kerry is right for
>>>>America in 2005!
>>>
>>>Hmm, I notice that Kerry does not anywhere acutally say what he is
>>>acutally going to do.
>>>
>>Actually he does. You just have to know how to navigate a web site :)
>
>He says lots a nice words, But without any acutal content.
>It's all pretty flowers and no engines.
>
You obviously can't navigate a web site.
Okey :)
>>>It's all fancy rhetoric, And no concrete polotcies or proposals at
>>>all.
>>>
>>Try again Dave.
>
>Cite some of these concrete promises and policies please.
>Do not simply cut and paste rhetoric from the website, post some of
>his concrete polices.
>
>Like maybe raiseing income tax to 80% on people like bill gates?
>
You will have to grep for it yourself.
A) You don't live in America.
B) You don't have a vote to cast.
>>>For example, He says nothing about repealing Bushs Tax cuts, nor does
>>>he suggest raiseing taxes on the rich.
>>>
>>Look for the issues yourself. It's all there on the web site :)
>
>He says nothing on there about raiseing taxes for the rich, nor a free
>at point of use healtchare scheme.
>
Grep for it yourself :)
Its like a WPA thing dimmy.
>Did you note the word "mandatory"?
>
Well yuh!
>You know as well as I, that once some legislation has been passed and
>put into action, it's very hard to reverse it and/or to get poloticans
>to give it up.
>
Think Patriot Act, sure :)
>Once some kind of "mandatory service" regime is in place, It becomes
>that much easier to introduce the draft again.
>
You think Bush won't do it a lot faster?
Kerry's less likely by far.
>Think of it as draft-lite.
>
Think of it as WPA projects. Do you even know what the WPA was!?
>>>>>>>oh! look! It's the same rich people and companies who donate to the
>>>>>>>republicans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Somewhat, as the corp's who donate try and play *both* sides of the
fence.
>>>>But
>>>>>>the lions share goes to the Republicans.
>>>>>
>>>>>You think kerry is going to be any less "greatful" to the people who
>>>>>donate to him than bush is?
>>>>>
>>>>Yes.
>>>
>>>Provide some precendent for that.
>>>
>>I could say DYOFDW but since you're a lazy slacker taking a year off...
>
>I'm learning more about the world, As oppose to being shoved off to
>university straight from school.
>
Uh huh. Go to Africa if you want to learn hard & fast.
>>"John Kerry has a plan to secure America’s economic future and ensure that
>>workers can achieve the American dream in our changing economy. John Kerry
has
>>the courage to roll back Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans so we
can
>
>Which of bushes taxs cuts will he be rolling back?
>
THe ones "for the wealthiest Americans" ???
Comprehension problems Dave?
>Why will he not be increaseing tax on the rich?
>
Maybe he will. Check out www.johnkerry.com for details :)
>Also, The idea of "the american dream" is fundament
>
Eh? The middle class is shrinking under Bush, that much we know for sure.
>>invest in education and healthcare. He isn’t afraid to crack down on
>>corporations that are hiding their money in Bermuda to avoid paying their
fair
>
>Which corperations are these? can he not give any examples?
>
The ones hiding in Bermuda would be my guess.
Really Dave...c'mon!
>>share and will end special tax giveaways to companies that ship jobs abroad.
>>And he will defend the rights of workers, consumers and shareholders in
holding
>>corporations accountable for their actions."
>>
>>Happy now?
>
>How exactly will he hold corperations responsible for their actions?
>
>It's all Spin and no substance is what he says.
>
Nope. Its a plan of action. Bush won't even touch his fat-cat corporate
friends.
Try again.
>>>Did you notice how he voted against a bill to label GM food as
>>>containing GM, cos he'd been funded by Monsanto?
>>>
>>CITE :)
>
>In 2000, after Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) introduced a labeling law
>that would have given Americans the right to know whether the foods
>they ate contained genetically modified organisms, Kerry refused to
>support that bill.
>
Hmmmmm...
>Monsanto didn't like that bill.
>
>Check that out for yourself.
>
>The law firm of Mintz, Levin, Cohn, et. al., specializes in
>biotechnology law. One of their most important clients is Monsanto.
>
>Mintz, Levin, Cohn has acted as counsel in funding biotech
>acquisitions by raising nearly $800 million. Mintz, Levin & Cohn also
>represents Monsanto in PCB litigation.
>
>Guess what? in campaign donations from 1997 through 2002, Mintz, Levin
>& Cohn gave. $54,700 to kerry.
>
Wow. Oh well, I'm still votin fer Kerry :)
>>
>>>Also, By trying to influence policy through donatuions, They are
>>>legitmiseing the game that corperations play anway, And since the
>>>corps will always have more money, They will lose anyway.
>>>
>>Why do you bother to get out of bed w/ an attitude like that?
>
>You're going to die one day.
>Why do you bother to get out of bed knowing that?
>
Because I want to have a bit of fun before I go :)
>>>He voted For the "no child left behind act" when it bush pushed it
>>>(and it's obvious to you I'm sure that nothing bush pushes can be any
>>>good) and then he turns around and says its bad!
>>>
>>>He should know! he voted for it in the first place!
>>>
>>>The very fact that kerry went with the tide in the first place and
>>>voted for the Patrioat Act shows that he himself is weak.
>>>
>>>A true leader would have stuck to his principles.
>>>
>>Yawn. I'm still voting for Kerry :)
>
>You should put your fingers in your ears and shout:
>"na na na I can't hear you!"
>
>It would be more honest.
>
Or you could tell me & the rest of us why you wish to be a spoiler in this
election.YOU HAVE THE POWER TO SWAY THE CRITICAL FURRY VOTE!!!111!!!!!
:)
>>>>>Since the patriot act was in itself, a massive assualt on civil
>>>>>rights.
>>>>>
>>>>Yes, yes it is.
>>>
>>>And kerry supported it.
>>>
>>Whine about it lots more now :)
>
>Those are the words of a man who knows he is in the wrong.
>
I'm voting for Kerry :)
YOu can just piss & moan about it.
>>>They will have to run, just to stand still.
>>>
>>"Throughout his career, John Kerry has been a top leader on the environment,
>>fighting to clean up toxic waste sites, to keep our air and water clean, and
to
>>protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and other pristine wilderness
>>areas.
>
>Pure rhetoric.
>
Its an outline of his policies.
>>In addition to supporting important environmental initiatives, John
>
>And how many of those
>
>>Kerry has turned a spotlight on the Bush Administration’s rollbacks of our
>>hard-won environmental gains and their outdated, old-economy notions that our
>>environment must be sacrificed in the name of short-term profit. John Kerry
has
>
>So, We should sacrifice it in the name of long term profit then?
>
My god, you really *do* have comprehension problems don't you?
read s-l-o-w-l-y...
>>the courage to take on the polluters that are trying to gut our clean air and
>>water laws. John Kerry has the vision to create a new Manhattan Project to
make
>>America independent of Middle East oil in 10 years by creating alternative
>>fuels like ethanol and making cars more efficient. We’ll create half a
million
>>new jobs here at home at the same time – and we’ll never have to send our
sons
>>and daughters to war for Mideast oil."
>
>That's fecking stupid, Since you need so much land to grow all that
>corn for ethanol that given americans current consumption, you'd need
>to grow corn over the entire of north america just to fuel it all.
>
Uh...you're way out of your league here Dave. American farmers have been paid
to *not* grow crops like corn for years. We have a grain *surplus*, not a
defecit. Thats the Bush economy you're thinking of :)
>Not to mention, it still contributes to global warming.
>
Nope, it takes CO2 *out* of the system. Go here: www.greasel.com for some ideas
on bio-diesel :)
>>>>>
>>>>>But he takes the Corperate Shill from Monsanto...
>>>>>
>>>>As a democrat? So you're saying that the dems get some money from corps?
>>>>Duh.
>>>
>>>The fact that they take money from corps makes them a tool of the
>>>corps./
>>>
>>>For example, in california, The democrats voted with the republicans
>>>to slash welfare instead of raiseing taxes.
>>>
>>Californians are stupid enough to elect Arnold, what do you expect?
>
>Quack. Quack. sounds like you're ducking the issue!
>
I addressed the stupidity of people in cali...what were you looking for?
>>>>>
>>>>>I've always made my political views quite clear from the start.
>>>>>
>>>>Socialism wont work in america dear...
>>>
>>>On what basis do you make that astonshingly sweeping statement?
>>>
>>A 200 year relatively successful experiment in democracy :)
>
>America is not a democracy, It's a republic with limited sufferage.
>
Actually Ive heard it described as an oligarchy :)
Maybe its becoming an 'apointocracy' though...
>Still it''s funny how that never stoped Bush stealing the election eh?
Diebold is very clever you see...no paper trail for ballots :)
>Or Slavery.
England *never* had slaves?
>Or Genocide (of the indians)
Yep, we're as fucked up as them South Afrikaaners.
>Or wars over oil.
>
True dat :)
>Yeah, Realy sucessful eh?
>
Well I read something that implied that we're not #1 in terms of true
democracy...maybe it was Belize that was?
Hmmm...
>>>Have you ever read "The German ideology" or "capital"?
>>>
>>No...tell me more.
>>
>>>Do you have even the vaguest idea as to their content?
>>>
>>Of course not :)
>
>I expected nothing but.
>
Got the Cliffs notes version? Ive got other things to do like read the Atlantic
monthly you see...
>>>You Could vote For the Socalist Equality party, Who are standing, But
>>>I'm sure that you'd rather haveing the thinking done for you.
>>>
>>No...I'm not an ignorant twit who will throw his vote away on an untenable
>>candidate who has *NO* chance of winning.
>>Try again :)
>
>Sure, You'll still get an assualt on freedom and liberty and the
>enviroment whoever wins of the two.
>
I *know* what I'm getting with Bush...(2.8 million jobs lost, assault on the
enviroment) I *hope* things will be much better with John Kerry.
Thats my strategy.
>>>>>IMO, only socalism and Socalist parties will bring the change that is
>>>>>needed.
>>>>>
>>>>And since they will never arrive...you can wait forever then.
>>>
>>>The age of global capitlism is already upon us. Do you not see the
>>>increasing unrest and war all around the world?
>>>
>>>At some point, there will be a massive thrust for change.
>>>
>>Or more behind the scenes deals like how Aristide got squeezed out by western
>>influences :)
>
>The french and the americans did it together I read.
>
>It's odd that, Supposedly france is teh evil, But when it comes to
>common interests, like power... Europe and America march in lockstep.
>
Notice how the americans only showed up *after* Aristide was ready to leave?
They shoved a paper under his nose and said "sign this".
>>>>>Oh right, Do you think I'm some kind of bush/Nader shill whose been
>>>>>posting here for the last 2 years in order to "mindfuck" you into
>>>>>voteing bush or Nader or something?
>>>>>
>>>>You couldn't mindfuck a chimp. Much less me, your better :)
>>>
>>>What secret machinations do I represent today?
>>>
>>Pretty obvious: throw away your vote for an untenable candidate.
>>Much like how Nader stole votes away from Gore, thus helping to elect Bush.
>
>Bush stole the election, nothing any third candidate could do would
>have helped nor hindered that.
>
True, NAder pointed that out. It was BROTHER JEB & the Hanging Chads.
And a right-wing supreme court...
>To suggest that peopel should not stand is profoundly anti-democratic
>in itself.
>
Oh I think that 3rd party candidates serve a purpose. Mainly to point out
things that neither candidate is willing to say.
>>>The Socalist Equality Party is running for the presidential election.
>>>
>>>http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/stat-j27.shtml
>>>
>>Heh...you mean this guy?
>>"Its candidates are Bill Van Auken for president and Jim Lawrence for vice
>>president. Bill Van Auken, 54, is a full-time writer for the World Socialist
>>Web Site. "
>>
>>He's elected himself as candidate.
>>Well maybe I should run as King of Hoemstead.
>>ROTFLMAO!
>
>No, he was chosen by the socalist equality party to be their
>candidate.
>
I'm still running as King of Hoemstead. I need a minister of foreign policy...
hmmm.
>>>>>Or is this an act in order to persuade certain people of something
>>>>>that they can use?
>>>>>
>>>>We're all against you Dave :)
>>>
>>>Would you like me to make a "voices" and/or Schizophrenia Lamer here?
>>>
>>Could you? It'd make my job a little easier :)
>
><insert "You don't have a real job" lamer here>
>
Have you learned the Canadian anthem yet?
>>>>>>>>>He hasn't even said he';ll do anything about the patrioat act.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>He has said that when the so-called Patriot act sunsets (comes up for
>>>>reveiw)
>>>>>>>>in '05 that he won't support it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He supported it originaly did he not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Duh. But the original act had a sunset clause. Or are you too stupid to
>>>>>>understand that concept you mental midget?
>>>>>
>>>>>What you gonna do if he says that THE WAR ON TERROR needs to go on
>>>>>even longer and the act needs to stay?
>>>>>
>>>>We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
>>>
>>>A-Ha!
>>>
>>Ive already posted MB's of info & quotes...serious people are now well
>>informed. You can taunt me all you want, I'm still voting Kerry.
>
>At this point you should be saying:
>
>"na na na na na, I can't hear you" and sticking your fingers in your
>ears.
>
Bummed that I'm not gonna throw away a vote on your guy?
Sorry dave; its like this- I can't waste my vote.
>>>>>You know well as I, that what poloticans promise in election time
>>>>>means nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>Often that is true. I'm looking at one thing which is very important to me:
>>>>voting record on enviromental policy.
>>>>Bush looses there in a BIG way.
>>>>No contest.
>>>
>>>In 1997, Kerry voted for a resolution, which passed 95-0, saying the
>>>US "should not be a signatory" to the Kyoto Treaty.
>>>
>>CITE :)
>
>Go and check the offical Records for yourself. You'll see its there.
>I'm not going to do your work for you.
>
PKB
>>>Vote Socalist in 2004. HTH.
>>>
>>Translation: throw you vote away and help Bush get re-elected.
>>Sorry Dave, no can do :)
>
>You'll merely get bush in sheeps clotheing anyway.
>
>You're damned if you do, And damned if you don't.
>
>As I've already proved, kerry takes money from the Corps.
>
>Roll on Corperate puppet election.
>
Thanks for permission as to how to cast my vote Dave.
<smirk>
>>>>>Bush represents the most Greedy elements of the ruleing classes, He
>>>>>himself is criminal, But he is nothing without their backing.
>>>>>
>>>>Yes, obviously.
>>>>
>>>>>The differences between the democrats and repuibkicans are purely
>>>>>tactical.
>>>>>
>>>>ANd ideological.
>>>
>>>They are both agreed that The free market and capitlism should be
>>>primate.
>>>
>>>Anything else than that is merely tactical.
>>>
>>Bush is not about protecting jobs, J Kerry is:
>
>>"The first thing John Kerry will do is fight his heart out to bring back the
>>three million jobs that have been lost under George W. Bush. He will fight to
>>restore the jobs lost under Bush in the first 500 days of his administration.
>>Kerry has proposed creating jobs through a new manufacturing jobs credit, by
>>investing in new energy industries, restoring technology, and stopping
layoffs
>>in education."
>
>How exactly will he do this?
>
>Again, anyone can say what he says, yet he makes no acutal concrete
>promises.
>
>It's all smoke and mirrors.
>
Since anything I post from his website in explanation of your questions has
been and will be met with Lames, I'm snipping the rest in order to save my time
and everyones bandwidth.
The thing I'm getting out of this is that you seem jealous that I have a vote
to cast and you don't. Hey, sorry you can't vote or whatever you limeys do to
appoint your numb-nuts leaders like Tony B-a-liar :)
>
>>>
>>>Protectinism is no the answer. It still leaves othe people in poverty
>>>around the world.
>>>
>>>Internationkism is the key.
>>>
>>WTF?
>
>ATM, The drive is for firms to make as much moneyt as possible
>
Yes, so whats your point?
>>>That the american goverment brings all this upon itself.
>>>
>>>They caused sept 11th as sure as the people who acutually did the
>>>deed.
>>>
>>No...people *chose* to fly planes into buildings based on religious beliefs.
>>Americas foreign policy probably helped influence their decision though.
>
>
Logic kicks your ass every time don't it?
:)
>
>>>>>Ameircan agents helped the military dictatorhop
>>>>>
>>>>>Eisenhower supported rebels in Gutamala to overthrow ademocratical
>>>>>elected goverment. over 250,000 died as a direct result of american
>>>>>actions.
>>>>>
>>>>Yeah yeah yeah...
>>>
>>>There are literaly hunderds more.
>>>
>>I know. The whole Hatian thing has some unanswered questions.
>
>Also, There have been reports that people who are detained by the
>british in iraq, have been dieing of heart attacks, But when the
>faimilys come to collect the bodies, they find bruises, broken limbs
>and stuff.
>
>Hmm, I wonder, Could british soldiers be beating iraquis to
>death?!?!?!
>
Well they were sending the so called detainees to places like Syria and Israel
to get beat up. maybe they're doing it directly now.
>>>>>>>"Allies give us more hands in the struggle, but no president would
>>>>>>>ever let them tie our hands and prevent us from doing what must be
>>>>>>>done,"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which means?
>>>>>
>>>>>*cough* Unilaterism *cough*
>>>>>
>>>>SO you're agaisnt that?
>>>
>>>I prefer Negotations, Talking, Rather than just saying "do this".
>>>
>>Then you condemn people who fly planes into buildings?
>>Hmmmmm...
>
>That was the Saudis who probably arranged that, They are relegious
>crackpots.
>
>Relegious crackpots are excluded. That includes falwell and the like.
>
Why exclude those who have the most effect?
You cant have it both ways :)
>>>
>>>Yeah well, Here in england, They are preposeing to let people vote
>>>online with just a normal computer to a "secure" website. I dread to
>>>think how easily that could be hacked.
>>>
>>>Also, There have been reports of postal ballots being tampered with
>>>here, however, The newspaprs uddently lost interest and nothing more
>>>was heard about it...
>>>
>>Welcome to the Brave New World...
>
>A british MP swapped houses for votes, then fled to isreal IIRC.
>
Interesting hiding place...
>>>>>
>>>>>*cough* Henry Kissenger *cough*
>>>>>
>>>>Nope, be real:
>>>>http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=15238&mode=nested&order=0
>>>
>>>I read that It was saudi arabia behind sept 11th. The majority of the
>>>hijackers were Saudi.
>>>
>>>Micheal moores new book, I can't remember the title, but that
>>>postulated that it was The Saudis what done it.
>>>
>>>Cos, Even though the Saudis get american oil money, they are still
>>>relegious manciacs who will bite the hand that feeds them.
>>>
>>Yes.
>>Notice we're not attacking them though :)
>
>They even sent a special plane to send them home after septh 11th.
>
I know. How many reasons do you need to see that theres a difference between
Bush and *any* democrat?
Bush Family Ties to bin Ladens...g00gle on that for an eye opener.
>>>>>
>>>>>Is it wrong to steal other peoples land?
>>>>>
>>>>Duh. Having a defined border is bad how?
>>>
>>>That's ducking the issue, All the land in the first place was stolen
>>>from the palestinains.
>>>
>>>Palestines existed for over 1000 yeasr before the isrealis nicked it.
>>>
>>English invade America.
>>Dutch invade South Africa.
>
>This is modern times.
>
I condemn the policies of Israel as much as anyone who dislikes their heavy
handed approach to securing a homeland. But you have to admit that they *are*
being attacked constantly. Maybe if both sides just took a few weeks
off...hmmm...
>>>>>>>That the palestiains were ethnicaly cleansed, Forced from their homes
>>>>>>>and killed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>No kidding?
>>>>>
>>>>>do you think that you take up suicide bombing if it was the only way
>>>>>you could fight the people who did that you?
>>>>>
>>>>Nope. But militant religious FUNDIES would.
>>>>So would xtian fundies, oh wait...Bush is a fundie :)
>>>>Hmmmmmmmm...
>>>
>>>I think you would. I read that most of these suicide bombers, From
>>>Docotrs who had seen them beofre, or from talking to their families,
>>>they nearly all suffered from depression and stuff like that.
>>>Think about it, You live in miserable poverty, no hope of a job, You
>>>get depressed, why not take some isrealis who stole your land while
>>>you're at it?
>>>
>>Its a desparate act by hopless people, sure. But there are some successful
>>palestinians who grow pistachios & other crops. Make things etc.
>
>Not anymore. Palestines economy has utterly collapsed. and kerry
>doesn't care. He saus that arafay is an "outlaw".
>
>He courts the jewish vote.
>
I'd like to see a link to him actually saying that but it wouldnt suprise me to
know that he did. He plays the middle usually.
Bush panders to the far right.
>>>>>
>>>>>The palestians are poor, The isralis rich.
>>>>
>>>>YOu cant support your silly Blacks are being walled in argument can you?
>>>>Heh eh heh...
>>>
>>>The analogy still stands, It's a case for both of exploiatation.
>>>The isrealis exploit the palestians, What few jobs there once where in
>>>palestine were things like picking fruit.
>>>
>>>The palesitans would pick the fruit, The isrealis took the fruit and
>>>sold it for much more. Not passing the money on.
>>>
>>>Reminds me of others...
>>>
>>What do you want me to do about it?
>
>Get a paper knife and carve your way into history.
>
0_o Tell yu what...I'll pray to a god I dont believe in to smite the horrible
Isrealis, kay?
Or I'll go watch teevee...whatever...
I know...it should scare the living shit out of any thinking person in this
country. But most Moron Americans (tm) don't seem to be aware of these things.
States activly *court* those industries to be built in their state because it
"creates good jobs"! Fuck! Now we sell the concept of locking people up as
being *good* for the economy!?!?!?!?
>will he unprivatise prisons?
>
Dubious. I dont think *anyone* wants to be percieved as "going soft" on crime.
Old people vote and old people are scared shitless of being mugged. Even the
ones who live in rural areas thanks to all the shit being spewed by shows like
COPS & Americas Most Wanted. The republicans have learned how to "sell fear".
The whole "9-11 is the answer to everything" is an example of that.
>FWIW, Britian is inviteing american companies to come over here and
>build privatised prisons.
>
You're heading down the same slippery slope. My heartfelt condolences :(
>I think we're probably going to end up the 52nd state or something.
>
Heh...Well then I want some of that freebie healthcare.
>>>>>>>The rich isrealis want to keep poor palestians out and away from their
>>>>>>>original land.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I know. I dont have the answers, you?
>>>>>
>>>>>Perhaps a unity goverment based on not ghettotiseing palestianns, But
>>>>>makeing them equal citizens alongside the isealis?
>>>>>
>>>>Religion gets in the way. Culture gets in the way.
>>>>They're both idiots if you think about it.
>>>>I couldnt care less about them really :)
>>>>If you cant work out your differences in say....100 years...fuck em.
>>>
>>>The Situation in Isreal today is probably *the* biggest source of
>>>global instability in the world.
>>>
>>I'd say its Islamic extreemists helping things also get worse :)
>>
>>>They have nuclear weapons, They run an apartheid state.
>>>
>>>That is too dangerous to be allowed to carry on like that.
>>>
>>They're a tiny country.
>
>A tiny country with NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
>
Yep. Japan has a couple too IIRC :)
>Isreal has Nuclear missle armed submarines.
> It purchased them from germany.
>
Isreal sold some old ones to India IIRC a while ago...
>With them, They can potentialy hit any place in the world.
>
Sure...but sattelites can track subs so it wouldn't be all that much of a
suprise, unless it was on a country w/ no way to get that data fro teh
sattelites...
I bet Camstone could tell us stuff about this...but he's very sensitive...can't
take a joke etc...
>>>The following Big corperations all gave the majority of their money to
>>>the democrats:
>>>
>>>AOL/Time Warner, owner of CNN
>>>
>>>Viacom, owner of CBS network
>>>
>>>Walt Disney, owner of ABC network
>>>
>>>And guess what? The Democrats support measures to allow less
>>>restrictions on media monopolies...
>>>
>>CITE?
>
>You're getting lazy now. Look on the guardianonline website.
>
Oh...I guess I could g00gle for it. The weather has finnaly warmed up you see
and the outdoors are looking inviting again.
>>>>>However, As I have already pointed out, They've given him money
>>>>>anyway, It doesn't make him any less likely to do what they want him
>>>>>to.
>>>>>
>>>>Actually it does. thats why they support Bush *more*.
>>>
>>>There are some people out there who are just *stupid* right?
>>>And some people who are more cunning.
>>>
>>>Well, some companies, are just *stupid*, They want to rip the skin of
>>>the sheep and rape the earth, But some are more cunning and they want
>>>to sheer it regualy and just get the earth drunk and then have their
>>>way with it.
>>>
>>>That probably determines who donates to the democrats or republicans.
>>>
>>You paint a very gloomy picture. Lighten up.
>
>No, I like useing black.
>
Mix it with yellow...you get GREEN!
>>>>>Indeed, They will just give him more money in the future if he wins,
>>>>>Thus corrupting him more.
>>>>>
>>>>Nope. There is a basic difference in ideology between Dems & Republicans.
>>>
>>>What With kerry voteing for the war on iraq, For the "no child left
>>>behind" education thing, againt labeling GM foods as such and so on.
>>>
>>Senator Kerry supported legislation authorizing the use of force if necessary
>>to disarm Iraq and remove the threat posed by Saddam Hussein’s brutal and
>>aggressive regime, a position he has not waivered from. In the months leading
>>up to the war, he stressed the importance of working diplomatically to form
the
>>broadest possible coalition so that America would have support in the
difficult
>>task of reconstructing Iraq. “We should be particularly concerned that we do
>
>You do know that the reconstruction of iraq is just an excuse to
>transfer moneyt from the goverment to hallibirutons et al yea?
>
You should watch C-SPAN sometime....a couple of dem senators were talking to
each other last nite about how much is being budgeted for IRAQ and the similar
*cuts* being made for American programs at home.
Really amazing.
Billions being cut here, billions going to rebuild IRAQ after we turned it into
a crater going after Weapons of Mass Deception.
>>not go alone or essentially alone if we can avoid it, because the
complications
>>and costs of post-war Iraq would be far better managed and shared with the
>>United Nations’ participation,” he said in his address at Georgetown in
>>January. Senator Kerry continues to make the case that greater international
>>involvement is necessary if we are to win the peace as effectively as our
>>troops won the war. “We now know that the Administration went to war without
a
>>thorough plan to win the peace” he said in recent remarks on Capitol Hill.
“It
>>is time to face that truth and to change course—to share the post-war burden
>>internationally—for the sake of our country, for our standing in the world,
and
>>most of all for the young Americans in uniform.” By involving NATO, troops
from
>>other countries, and the United Nations, Senator Kerry believes that we can
>>best achieve our goal of helping the Iraqi people to create a stable and
>>democratic Iraq, while reducing the burden on our military and making America
>>more secure by increasing our ability to combat terrorism. "Winning the peace
>>in Iraq is critical to us because it’s going to have a profound impact on the
>>war on terrorism," he said in a recent interview with the Washington Post.
"We
>>literally cannot allow ourselves to fail."
>
>Yes, the new imperalism.
>
Oh come on.
I've personally *lived* thru three & 1/2 years of a Bush-run government.
Lemme tell you something: it sucks.
>>
>>>The democrats and the republicans, Like the labour party and the
>>>conservative party, are loseing their differences.
>>>
>><rolls eyes>
>
>It's true. They move further and fruther to the right.
>
Not all. Some perhaps. And some republicans are liberal on certain issues.
Take me, I'm very liberal on most everything except gun legislation.And I'm a
democrat :)
<shrugs>
>Yesterday, The conservative front bench secreuity spokesmen said that
>he thought that britians firearms laws were too trestrictive and that
>people should be allowed to own handguns.
>
Kewl!
>all the other parties called on him to resign for saying that, and the
>conservatives refused to suport his statements.
>
>That makes me proud a bit.
>
If you ever get over here I'll be sure to take you shooting and you can get
over that fear of guns you have ;)
>>>
>>>God knows what effect that has on global warming, cutting down all
>>>those trees, And of course, When the soil starts to erode, You're
>>>turning the rainforsts in desert...
>>>
>>>But hey! it makes money
>>>
>>Or...
>>http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/energy/enivronmental_justice.html
>
>If he is comminted to capitlism, How can he cahnge this?
>
I do think you can have responsible industry.
>>>>Actually.......you should have studied Russia or China as they are
socialist
>>>>countries. America isn't, FYI.
>>>
>>>If you think either of those countrie are (currenlty, Neither of them
>>>claim to be socalist) or were socalist, I don't think you understand
>>>what socalism isl.
>>>
>>So you're going to cite a current country where your flavor of socialism
>>exists, right?
>>Try hard now :)
>
>None of course. It's not in the interests of the ruleing classes to
>allow it.
>
Maybe it would work on Mars....hmmmmmmmmmm...
>>>>I'll go with the guy who I believe in most: Kerry.
>>>
>>>Ok then, You're going to Vote Tacitaly.
>>>
>>>The lesser of two evils.
>>>
>>>That's what I will do anway. all the british Poltica parties are
>>>shits.
>>>But I'd rather have the Liberal Democrats than Labourl, And I'd rahte
>>>have labour than the conservatives.
>>>
>>You could have saved yourself some time by just figuring this out quickly.
>
>NO!
>
Yeah. Its been discussed in the media here also: democrats are dropping the
smaller issues and banding together. There is a very large backlash against
Bush on domestic policy. Less so on foreign policy, but with this evidence of
lieing to the public and spinning the whole WMD issue, that will change come
november :)
>>>>>The Bush goverment want to overthrow the leftwing adminstration of
>>>>>Chavez, yes I know.
>>>>>
>>>>>Venuzuala is the 5th largest oil exporter in the world IIRC.
>>>>>
>>>>>They want the oil under their control.
>>>>>
>>>>Exactly. The d00d that leads Venezuala called Bush an asshole the other
day.
>>>>Heh...
>>>
>>>Well, I think he was kidpnapped and held hostae by rich people.
>>>
>>He's being attacked by people funded by the US.
>
>Even though he has privatised utilities and stuff.
>
>If they were patient with him, he'd do what they want.
>
Not at this point. He called 'Dubyuh an asshole :)
>but as I say, Bush and pals are so stupid that they'd tear the skin
>off the sheep.
>
Its spreading democracy!!!111!!! Heh...
>>>>Get a charcoal filter mask you twit!
>>>
>>>
>>>Owww, my fingers hurt. At least I had to think really hard.
>>>
>>I used one...they work real well.
>
>I have bags of charcol for the fishtank filters, Could't I just strap
>one to my face?
>
Ummmmm...no. A good filter mask will have changeable cartridges and fit real
closely to your face. they're not comfortable but they'll save your organs from
damage :)
Over here they cost about 20.00-50.00$
King Snuhw()1f
Dave the welfare subsistence Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>Dave the welfare subsistence Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
><404ef99...@news.individual.net>:
>
>>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>>him.
>>
>>>>I haven't started takeing it yet oddly enough. I'm still on my year
>>>>off as I said.
>>>>
>>>Might want to stop slacking then :)
>>
>>I've been useing this time to study fine art, going to canada,
>
>You're in canada? Why didn't you say so?
>:)
No, I'm not in Canada yet, check my IP adresss and all that. I'm still
in the UK.
I'll be leaving on the 31st of May to Toronto for 4 months!
I'm going to get a job and learn to be a real canadien then travel a
bit in north america.
Then I come back and slack for a month and then go off to universirty,
Where I slack for 4 years.
>>at
>>least A WHOLE HOUR!!! of life drwaing every day, doing a job, Saveing
>>up £3000 and so on.
>>I hardly think you're one to point the finger...
>>
>I have a difficult intro to M$ Office class to attend...
Those are easy money, You just sit around while peopel type, You don't
even have to do marking at home.
>>>>It's all fancy rhetoric, And no concrete polotcies or proposals at
>>>>all.
>>>>
>>>Try again Dave.
>>
>>Cite some of these concrete promises and policies please.
>>Do not simply cut and paste rhetoric from the website, post some of
>>his concrete polices.
>>
>>Like maybe raiseing income tax to 80% on people like bill gates?
>>
>You will have to grep for it yourself.
>A) You don't live in America.
>B) You don't have a vote to cast.
I will live there (for a while) in 3 years time so There!
I hope that Bush doesn't win, Cos if he does, god knows what the
country will be like in 3 yeasr and whether they'll let me in.
>>>>For example, He says nothing about repealing Bushs Tax cuts, nor does
>>>>he suggest raiseing taxes on the rich.
>>>>
>>>Look for the issues yourself. It's all there on the web site :)
>>
>>He says nothing on there about raiseing taxes for the rich, nor a free
>>at point of use healtchare scheme.
>>
>Grep for it yourself :)
NO.
>>>Thats not a draft you ninny, thats incentive programs.
>>
>>"Mandatory service for high school students"
>>
>Its like a WPA thing dimmy.
>
>>Did you note the word "mandatory"?
>>
>Well yuh!
>
>>You know as well as I, that once some legislation has been passed and
>>put into action, it's very hard to reverse it and/or to get poloticans
>>to give it up.
>>
>Think Patriot Act, sure :)
>
>>Once some kind of "mandatory service" regime is in place, It becomes
>>that much easier to introduce the draft again.
>>
>You think Bush won't do it a lot faster?
>Kerry's less likely by far.
>
>>Think of it as draft-lite.
>>
>Think of it as WPA projects. Do you even know what the WPA was!?
I don't like the "mandatory" element. It's not right to force children
to become "soldiers in the war on terrorism".
>>>>>>>>oh! look! It's the same rich people and companies who donate to the
>>>>>>>>republicans.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Somewhat, as the corp's who donate try and play *both* sides of the
>fence.
>>>>>But
>>>>>>>the lions share goes to the Republicans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You think kerry is going to be any less "greatful" to the people who
>>>>>>donate to him than bush is?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Yes.
>>>>
>>>>Provide some precendent for that.
>>>>
>>>I could say DYOFDW but since you're a lazy slacker taking a year off...
>>
>>I'm learning more about the world, As oppose to being shoved off to
>>university straight from school.
>>
>Uh huh. Go to Africa if you want to learn hard & fast.
What if I get robbed by people kept in poverty by western
corperations?
>>>"John Kerry has a plan to secure America’s economic future and ensure that
>>>workers can achieve the American dream in our changing economy. John Kerry
>has
>>>the courage to roll back Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans so we
>can
>>
>>Which of bushes taxs cuts will he be rolling back?
>>
>THe ones "for the wealthiest Americans" ???
>Comprehension problems Dave?
Already, The current tax structure in america places too much of the
burden on the poorest people.
As a proportion of their income, They pay more than rich people.
>>Why will he not be increaseing tax on the rich?
>>
>Maybe he will. Check out www.johnkerry.com for details :)
>
>>Also, The idea of "the american dream" is fundament
>>
>Eh? The middle class is shrinking under Bush, that much we know for sure.
Well, it's polariseing, Either you get very very rich, or you become
poor. That's bush.
>>>invest in education and healthcare. He isn’t afraid to crack down on
>>>corporations that are hiding their money in Bermuda to avoid paying their
>fair
>>
>>Which corperations are these? can he not give any examples?
>>
>The ones hiding in Bermuda would be my guess.
>Really Dave...c'mon!
What about ones hideing in states that have no corperation tax?
>>>>Did you notice how he voted against a bill to label GM food as
>>>>containing GM, cos he'd been funded by Monsanto?
>>>>
>>>CITE :)
>>
>>In 2000, after Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) introduced a labeling law
>>that would have given Americans the right to know whether the foods
>>they ate contained genetically modified organisms, Kerry refused to
>>support that bill.
>>
>Hmmmmm...
>
>>Monsanto didn't like that bill.
>>
>>Check that out for yourself.
>>
>>The law firm of Mintz, Levin, Cohn, et. al., specializes in
>>biotechnology law. One of their most important clients is Monsanto.
>>
>>Mintz, Levin, Cohn has acted as counsel in funding biotech
>>acquisitions by raising nearly $800 million. Mintz, Levin & Cohn also
>>represents Monsanto in PCB litigation.
>>
>>Guess what? in campaign donations from 1997 through 2002, Mintz, Levin
>>& Cohn gave. $54,700 to kerry.
>>
>Wow. Oh well, I'm still votin fer Kerry :)
Words.
Eat.
Eat words. Eat.
>>>>Also, By trying to influence policy through donatuions, They are
>>>>legitmiseing the game that corperations play anway, And since the
>>>>corps will always have more money, They will lose anyway.
>>>>
>>>Why do you bother to get out of bed w/ an attitude like that?
>>
>>You're going to die one day.
>>Why do you bother to get out of bed knowing that?
>>
>Because I want to have a bit of fun before I go :)
When I die, Will I say: "I wish I had read more books"?
>>>>He voted For the "no child left behind act" when it bush pushed it
>>>>(and it's obvious to you I'm sure that nothing bush pushes can be any
>>>>good) and then he turns around and says its bad!
>>>>
>>>>He should know! he voted for it in the first place!
>>>>
>>>>The very fact that kerry went with the tide in the first place and
>>>>voted for the Patrioat Act shows that he himself is weak.
>>>>
>>>>A true leader would have stuck to his principles.
>>>>
>>>Yawn. I'm still voting for Kerry :)
>>
>>You should put your fingers in your ears and shout:
>>"na na na I can't hear you!"
>>
>>It would be more honest.
>>
>Or you could tell me & the rest of us why you wish to be a spoiler in this
>election.YOU HAVE THE POWER TO SWAY THE CRITICAL FURRY VOTE!!!111!!!!!
>:)
I dunno.
>>>>>>Since the patriot act was in itself, a massive assualt on civil
>>>>>>rights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, yes it is.
>>>>
>>>>And kerry supported it.
>>>>
>>>Whine about it lots more now :)
>>
>>Those are the words of a man who knows he is in the wrong.
>>
>I'm voting for Kerry :)
>YOu can just piss & moan about it.
<insert lamer here>
>>>Kerry has turned a spotlight on the Bush Administration’s rollbacks of our
>>>hard-won environmental gains and their outdated, old-economy notions that our
>>>environment must be sacrificed in the name of short-term profit. John Kerry
>has
>>
>>So, We should sacrifice it in the name of long term profit then?
>>
>My god, you really *do* have comprehension problems don't you?
>read s-l-o-w-l-y...
I did read it, and it said "short term profit", perhaps you should ask
him about long term profit?
>>>the courage to take on the polluters that are trying to gut our clean air and
>>>water laws. John Kerry has the vision to create a new Manhattan Project to
>make
>>>America independent of Middle East oil in 10 years by creating alternative
>>>fuels like ethanol and making cars more efficient. We’ll create half a
>million
>>>new jobs here at home at the same time – and we’ll never have to send our
>sons
>>>and daughters to war for Mideast oil."
>>
>>That's fecking stupid, Since you need so much land to grow all that
>>corn for ethanol that given americans current consumption, you'd need
>>to grow corn over the entire of north america just to fuel it all.
>>
>Uh...you're way out of your league here Dave. American farmers have been paid
>to *not* grow crops like corn for years. We have a grain *surplus*, not a
>defecit. Thats the Bush economy you're thinking of :)
That's because the grain is not being used to fuel cars. You will have
to get rid of much of the cars and use much less electricity if that
is to be a viable option.
Given how much land
>>Not to mention, it still contributes to global warming.
>>
>Nope, it takes CO2 *out* of the system. Go here: www.greasel.com for some ideas
>on bio-diesel :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But he takes the Corperate Shill from Monsanto...
>>>>>>
>>>>>As a democrat? So you're saying that the dems get some money from corps?
>>>>>Duh.
>>>>
>>>>The fact that they take money from corps makes them a tool of the
>>>>corps./
>>>>
>>>>For example, in california, The democrats voted with the republicans
>>>>to slash welfare instead of raiseing taxes.
>>>>
>>>Californians are stupid enough to elect Arnold, what do you expect?
>>
>>Quack. Quack. sounds like you're ducking the issue!
>>
>I addressed the stupidity of people in cali...what were you looking for?
Maybe it's elsewhere too?
>>>>>>I've always made my political views quite clear from the start.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Socialism wont work in america dear...
>>>>
>>>>On what basis do you make that astonshingly sweeping statement?
>>>>
>>>A 200 year relatively successful experiment in democracy :)
>>
>>America is not a democracy, It's a republic with limited sufferage.
>>
>Actually Ive heard it described as an oligarchy :)
>Maybe its becoming an 'apointocracy' though...
Those twoo.
>>Still it''s funny how that never stoped Bush stealing the election eh?
>
>Diebold is very clever you see...no paper trail for ballots :)
>
>>Or Slavery.
>
>England *never* had slaves?
Lots of them. Also, a lot of the "citizens" of the british empire were
slaves in all but name.
>>Or Genocide (of the indians)
>
>Yep, we're as fucked up as them South Afrikaaners.
>
>>Or wars over oil.
>>
>True dat :)
>
>>Yeah, Realy sucessful eh?
>>
>Well I read something that implied that we're not #1 in terms of true
>democracy...maybe it was Belize that was?
>Hmmm...
Ancient Greece, except that women, mad people, and people you didn;t
like were not allowed to vote.
>>>>Have you ever read "The German ideology" or "capital"?
>>>>
>>>No...tell me more.
>>>
>>>>Do you have even the vaguest idea as to their content?
>>>>
>>>Of course not :)
>>
>>I expected nothing but.
>>
>Got the Cliffs notes version? Ive got other things to do like read the Atlantic
>monthly you see...
The german ideology can be sumed up as:
Hagel sucks.
The Young hegelians are all big poopy heads.
The matriel determines history. So for example, the crusades were not
primarly dirven by relegion, but rather because people were greedy for
arab land.
There was moore, But rats got at it and chewed it (seriously)
>>>>You Could vote For the Socalist Equality party, Who are standing, But
>>>>I'm sure that you'd rather haveing the thinking done for you.
>>>>
>>>No...I'm not an ignorant twit who will throw his vote away on an untenable
>>>candidate who has *NO* chance of winning.
>>>Try again :)
>>
>>Sure, You'll still get an assualt on freedom and liberty and the
>>enviroment whoever wins of the two.
>>
>I *know* what I'm getting with Bush...(2.8 million jobs lost, assault on the
>enviroment) I *hope* things will be much better with John Kerry.
>Thats my strategy.
Well ok then, I can't fualt Hope. I hope that things will get better
all the time.
>>>>The Socalist Equality Party is running for the presidential election.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/stat-j27.shtml
>>>>
>>>Heh...you mean this guy?
>>>"Its candidates are Bill Van Auken for president and Jim Lawrence for vice
>>>president. Bill Van Auken, 54, is a full-time writer for the World Socialist
>>>Web Site. "
>>>
>>>He's elected himself as candidate.
>>>Well maybe I should run as King of Hoemstead.
>>>ROTFLMAO!
>>
>>No, he was chosen by the socalist equality party to be their
>>candidate.
>>
>I'm still running as King of Hoemstead. I need a minister of foreign policy...
>hmmm.
I'll do whatever you tell me to without an independent thought of my
own! Pick me! pick me!
>>>>>>Or is this an act in order to persuade certain people of something
>>>>>>that they can use?
>>>>>>
>>>>>We're all against you Dave :)
>>>>
>>>>Would you like me to make a "voices" and/or Schizophrenia Lamer here?
>>>>
>>>Could you? It'd make my job a little easier :)
>>
>><insert "You don't have a real job" lamer here>
>>
>Have you learned the Canadian anthem yet?
Umm... "mooses, gooses and big trees, La La LA, Lee le le le"
I think.
>>>>>>>>>>He hasn't even said he';ll do anything about the patrioat act.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>He has said that when the so-called Patriot act sunsets (comes up for
>>>>>reveiw)
>>>>>>>>>in '05 that he won't support it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>He supported it originaly did he not?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Duh. But the original act had a sunset clause. Or are you too stupid to
>>>>>>>understand that concept you mental midget?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What you gonna do if he says that THE WAR ON TERROR needs to go on
>>>>>>even longer and the act needs to stay?
>>>>>>
>>>>>We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
>>>>
>>>>A-Ha!
>>>>
>>>Ive already posted MB's of info & quotes...serious people are now well
>>>informed. You can taunt me all you want, I'm still voting Kerry.
>>
>>At this point you should be saying:
>>
>>"na na na na na, I can't hear you" and sticking your fingers in your
>>ears.
>>
>Bummed that I'm not gonna throw away a vote on your guy?
>Sorry dave; its like this- I can't waste my vote.
:o(
>>>Translation: throw you vote away and help Bush get re-elected.
>>>Sorry Dave, no can do :)
>>
>>You'll merely get bush in sheeps clotheing anyway.
>>
>>You're damned if you do, And damned if you don't.
>>
>>As I've already proved, kerry takes money from the Corps.
>>
>>Roll on Corperate puppet election.
>>
>Thanks for permission as to how to cast my vote Dave.
><smirk>
You may vote, yes.
>>>"The first thing John Kerry will do is fight his heart out to bring back the
>>>three million jobs that have been lost under George W. Bush. He will fight to
>>>restore the jobs lost under Bush in the first 500 days of his administration.
>>>Kerry has proposed creating jobs through a new manufacturing jobs credit, by
>>>investing in new energy industries, restoring technology, and stopping
>layoffs
>>>in education."
>>
>>How exactly will he do this?
>>
>>Again, anyone can say what he says, yet he makes no acutal concrete
>>promises.
>>
>>It's all smoke and mirrors.
>>
>Since anything I post from his website in explanation of your questions has
>been and will be met with Lames, I'm snipping the rest in order to save my time
>and everyones bandwidth.
>The thing I'm getting out of this is that you seem jealous that I have a vote
>to cast and you don't. Hey, sorry you can't vote or whatever you limeys do to
>appoint your numb-nuts leaders like Tony B-a-liar :)
They don't even have to call elections every 4 years, They could in
theory stay as long as they want twithout calling an election.
Probably though, in 18 months time the next one. Blair out!
>>>>That the american goverment brings all this upon itself.
>>>>
>>>>They caused sept 11th as sure as the people who acutually did the
>>>>deed.
>>>>
>>>No...people *chose* to fly planes into buildings based on religious beliefs.
>>>Americas foreign policy probably helped influence their decision though.
>>
>>
>Logic kicks your ass every time don't it?
>:)
They were ordered to, they were probably soldiers from the saudis.
Maybe the saudis felt they had no choice at all, but they had to
strike at the great satan.
Thiers not to reason why, Thiers but to do or die.
>>>>>>Ameircan agents helped the military dictatorhop
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Eisenhower supported rebels in Gutamala to overthrow ademocratical
>>>>>>elected goverment. over 250,000 died as a direct result of american
>>>>>>actions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah yeah yeah...
>>>>
>>>>There are literaly hunderds more.
>>>>
>>>I know. The whole Hatian thing has some unanswered questions.
>>
>>Also, There have been reports that people who are detained by the
>>british in iraq, have been dieing of heart attacks, But when the
>>faimilys come to collect the bodies, they find bruises, broken limbs
>>and stuff.
>>
>>Hmm, I wonder, Could british soldiers be beating iraquis to
>>death?!?!?!
>>
>Well they were sending the so called detainees to places like Syria and Israel
>to get beat up. maybe they're doing it directly now.
Cutting out the middleman to make saveings!
>>>>>>>>"Allies give us more hands in the struggle, but no president would
>>>>>>>>ever let them tie our hands and prevent us from doing what must be
>>>>>>>>done,"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Which means?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>*cough* Unilaterism *cough*
>>>>>>
>>>>>SO you're agaisnt that?
>>>>
>>>>I prefer Negotations, Talking, Rather than just saying "do this".
>>>>
>>>Then you condemn people who fly planes into buildings?
>>>Hmmmmm...
>>
>>That was the Saudis who probably arranged that, They are relegious
>>crackpots.
>>
>>Relegious crackpots are excluded. That includes falwell and the like.
>>
>Why exclude those who have the most effect?
>You cant have it both ways :)
Because I abominate relegion.
>>>>Yeah well, Here in england, They are preposeing to let people vote
>>>>online with just a normal computer to a "secure" website. I dread to
>>>>think how easily that could be hacked.
>>>>
>>>>Also, There have been reports of postal ballots being tampered with
>>>>here, however, The newspaprs uddently lost interest and nothing more
>>>>was heard about it...
>>>>
>>>Welcome to the Brave New World...
>>
>>A british MP swapped houses for votes, then fled to isreal IIRC.
>>
>Interesting hiding place...
Well, They can't winkle her out, And no matter how much they say
pretty please, She won't give the money back.
>>>>>>*cough* Henry Kissenger *cough*
>>>>>>
>>>>>Nope, be real:
>>>>>http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=15238&mode=nested&order=0
>>>>
>>>>I read that It was saudi arabia behind sept 11th. The majority of the
>>>>hijackers were Saudi.
>>>>
>>>>Micheal moores new book, I can't remember the title, but that
>>>>postulated that it was The Saudis what done it.
>>>>
>>>>Cos, Even though the Saudis get american oil money, they are still
>>>>relegious manciacs who will bite the hand that feeds them.
>>>>
>>>Yes.
>>>Notice we're not attacking them though :)
>>
>>They even sent a special plane to send them home after septh 11th.
>>
>I know. How many reasons do you need to see that theres a difference between
>Bush and *any* democrat?
>Bush Family Ties to bin Ladens...g00gle on that for an eye opener.
There was ome micheal moore book, Bush and me or something.
I wonder whats happen to moore afther his candidate didn't make it.
>>>>>>Is it wrong to steal other peoples land?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Duh. Having a defined border is bad how?
>>>>
>>>>That's ducking the issue, All the land in the first place was stolen
>>>>from the palestinains.
>>>>
>>>>Palestines existed for over 1000 yeasr before the isrealis nicked it.
>>>>
>>>English invade America.
>>>Dutch invade South Africa.
>>
>>This is modern times.
>>
>I condemn the policies of Israel as much as anyone who dislikes their heavy
>handed approach to securing a homeland. But you have to admit that they *are*
>being attacked constantly. Maybe if both sides just took a few weeks
>off...hmmm...
Only because of their polocies in the first place!!
>>>>>>>>That the palestiains were ethnicaly cleansed, Forced from their homes
>>>>>>>>and killed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No kidding?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>do you think that you take up suicide bombing if it was the only way
>>>>>>you could fight the people who did that you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Nope. But militant religious FUNDIES would.
>>>>>So would xtian fundies, oh wait...Bush is a fundie :)
>>>>>Hmmmmmmmm...
>>>>
>>>>I think you would. I read that most of these suicide bombers, From
>>>>Docotrs who had seen them beofre, or from talking to their families,
>>>>they nearly all suffered from depression and stuff like that.
>>>>Think about it, You live in miserable poverty, no hope of a job, You
>>>>get depressed, why not take some isrealis who stole your land while
>>>>you're at it?
>>>>
>>>Its a desparate act by hopless people, sure. But there are some successful
>>>palestinians who grow pistachios & other crops. Make things etc.
>>
>>Not anymore. Palestines economy has utterly collapsed. and kerry
>>doesn't care. He saus that arafay is an "outlaw".
>>
>>He courts the jewish vote.
>>
>I'd like to see a link to him actually saying that but it wouldnt suprise me to
>know that he did. He plays the middle usually.
>Bush panders to the far right.
It was in the guardian yesterday, That's as what they quoted him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The palestians are poor, The isralis rich.
>>>>>
>>>>>YOu cant support your silly Blacks are being walled in argument can you?
>>>>>Heh eh heh...
>>>>
>>>>The analogy still stands, It's a case for both of exploiatation.
>>>>The isrealis exploit the palestians, What few jobs there once where in
>>>>palestine were things like picking fruit.
>>>>
>>>>The palesitans would pick the fruit, The isrealis took the fruit and
>>>>sold it for much more. Not passing the money on.
>>>>
>>>>Reminds me of others...
>>>>
>>>What do you want me to do about it?
>>
>>Get a paper knife and carve your way into history.
>>
>0_o Tell yu what...I'll pray to a god I dont believe in to smite the horrible
>Isrealis, kay?
>Or I'll go watch teevee...whatever...
we bought a 25 inch sony T.V secondhand for only £120 and a DVD player
and obscure french films to watch.
>>>teenagers who had fallen off the edge of society it was not too late. They
>>>still wanted to lead a positive life. They still needed to find a pathway
>>>where adults cared about them, offered them skills, education, a positive
>peer
>>>group, a way to get free of their drug and alcohol habits, and something to
>>>belong to that opened doors to a decent future."
>>
>>Americans prisons are privatised, This creates a powerful inpetus to
>>carry on locking people up, since people profit from it.
>>
>I know...it should scare the living shit out of any thinking person in this
>country. But most Moron Americans (tm) don't seem to be aware of these things.
>States activly *court* those industries to be built in their state because it
>"creates good jobs"! Fuck! Now we sell the concept of locking people up as
>being *good* for the economy!?!?!?!?
Seriously, There was a guy quoted in yesterdays paper as saying how it
would be good for the local economy to have a prison built here.
>>FWIW, Britian is inviteing american companies to come over here and
>>build privatised prisons.
>>
>You're heading down the same slippery slope. My heartfelt condolences :(
>
>>I think we're probably going to end up the 52nd state or something.
>>
>Heh...Well then I want some of that freebie healthcare.
Umm... It's not free anymore. I have to pay £25 just to be allowed
into the dentists surgery place.
>Sure...but sattelites can track subs so it wouldn't be all that much of a
>suprise, unless it was on a country w/ no way to get that data fro teh
>sattelites...
>I bet Camstone could tell us stuff about this...but he's very sensitive...can't
>take a joke etc...
He refused to help me get infomation on ameircas arms exports!
>>all the other parties called on him to resign for saying that, and the
>>conservatives refused to suport his statements.
>>
>>That makes me proud a bit.
>>
>If you ever get over here I'll be sure to take you shooting and you can get
>over that fear of guns you have ;)
Actually, I think I've been in denial over guns, I like shooting guns
and I've always wanted to have a go with a black powder weapon esp.
Even though I understand, That the flash of the powder in the "pan",
often makes people flinch (unless it's precussion cap presumably), and
they are very dirty and need lots of cleaning, And produce lots of
recoil.
The problem is, any handgun, no matter what calibre or mechanism it
uses is illegal.
Shotguns and single shot bolt action .22s are legal, But there are so
many restrictions and stuff, That the local shooting club place here
had to close down, Just because they couldn't take it all.
Not to mention, gunpowder, or blackpowder itself, IIRC, you need an
exposives license to own it. And It's not like I could get an
explosives license ever.
It's easier to smash the toy than to make a new one remember.
+NRA types make me cry.
>>>>>I'll go with the guy who I believe in most: Kerry.
>>>>
>>>>Ok then, You're going to Vote Tacitaly.
>>>>
>>>>The lesser of two evils.
>>>>
>>>>That's what I will do anway. all the british Poltica parties are
>>>>shits.
>>>>But I'd rather have the Liberal Democrats than Labourl, And I'd rahte
>>>>have labour than the conservatives.
>>>>
>>>You could have saved yourself some time by just figuring this out quickly.
>>
>>NO!
>>
>Yeah. Its been discussed in the media here also: democrats are dropping the
>smaller issues and banding together. There is a very large backlash against
>Bush on domestic policy. Less so on foreign policy, but with this evidence of
>lieing to the public and spinning the whole WMD issue, that will change come
>november :)
I dunno, tony blair has been lieiong like shit and covering up
eveything, But the papers just drop it after a few days.
>>>>>Get a charcoal filter mask you twit!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Owww, my fingers hurt. At least I had to think really hard.
>>>>
>>>I used one...they work real well.
>>
>>I have bags of charcol for the fishtank filters, Could't I just strap
>>one to my face?
>>
>Ummmmm...no. A good filter mask will have changeable cartridges and fit real
>closely to your face. they're not comfortable but they'll save your organs from
>damage :)
>Over here they cost about 20.00-50.00$
Well, I'm leaving on the 25th or sopemthing, I get a leaving present!
§ńühwřŁf
>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>>
>>>>>I haven't started takeing it yet oddly enough. I'm still on my year
>>>>>off as I said.
>>>>>
>>>>Might want to stop slacking then :)
>>>
>>>I've been useing this time to study fine art, going to canada,
>>
>>You're in canada? Why didn't you say so?
>>:)
>
>No, I'm not in Canada yet, check my IP adresss and all that. I'm still
>in the UK.
>I'll be leaving on the 31st of May to Toronto for 4 months!
>
Ah...be sure to insult the french people you run across :)
>I'm going to get a job and learn to be a real canadien then travel a
>bit in north america.
>Then I come back and slack for a month and then go off to universirty,
>Where I slack for 4 years.
>
Whee! Tell us your travel plans & maybe yu can meet some peeps from the NG :)
>>>at
>>>least A WHOLE HOUR!!! of life drwaing every day, doing a job, Saveing
>>>up £3000 and so on.
>>>I hardly think you're one to point the finger...
>>>
>>I have a difficult intro to M$ Office class to attend...
>
>Those are easy money, You just sit around while peopel type, You don't
>even have to do marking at home.
>
Its booring. I'm ahead of the class and could skip half classes & still ace it.
Maybe Powerpoint will be fun...Excell is dull tho...
>>>>>It's all fancy rhetoric, And no concrete polotcies or proposals at
>>>>>all.
>>>>>
>>>>Try again Dave.
>>>
>>>Cite some of these concrete promises and policies please.
>>>Do not simply cut and paste rhetoric from the website, post some of
>>>his concrete polices.
>>>
>>>Like maybe raiseing income tax to 80% on people like bill gates?
>>>
>>You will have to grep for it yourself.
>>A) You don't live in America.
>>B) You don't have a vote to cast.
>
>I will live there (for a while) in 3 years time so There!
>I hope that Bush doesn't win, Cos if he does, god knows what the
>country will be like in 3 yeasr and whether they'll let me in.
>
Um...damn...I shoulda bookmarked that site for you...Eschalon the bot that
searches email, the web & usenet for keywords probably has flagged several of
our posts thus far. I wouldn't be suprised if I and you are on the FBI no-fly
list. You can't get thru security at the airport like the other peeps can: you
get *special* treatment :)
>>>>>For example, He says nothing about repealing Bushs Tax cuts, nor does
>>>>>he suggest raiseing taxes on the rich.
>>>>>
>>>>Look for the issues yourself. It's all there on the web site :)
>>>
>>>He says nothing on there about raiseing taxes for the rich, nor a free
>>>at point of use healtchare scheme.
>>>
>>Grep for it yourself :)
>
>NO.
>
Remain uninformed then :)
>>
>>>Think of it as draft-lite.
>>>
>>Think of it as WPA projects. Do you even know what the WPA was!?
>
>I don't like the "mandatory" element. It's not right to force children
>to become "soldiers in the war on terrorism".
>
I doubt ther'll be a need for it unless this so-called war drags on.
THe quicker we exit IRAQ the less chance of a draft.
>>>
>>>I'm learning more about the world, As oppose to being shoved off to
>>>university straight from school.
>>>
>>Uh huh. Go to Africa if you want to learn hard & fast.
>
>What if I get robbed by people kept in poverty by western
>corperations?
>
You'll learn *real* fast. You might find them warm & friendly tho...
>>>>"John Kerry has a plan to secure America’s economic future and ensure that
>>>>workers can achieve the American dream in our changing economy. John Kerry
>>has
>>>>the courage to roll back Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans so we
>>can
>>>
>>>Which of bushes taxs cuts will he be rolling back?
>>>
>>THe ones "for the wealthiest Americans" ???
>>Comprehension problems Dave?
>
>Already, The current tax structure in america places too much of the
>burden on the poorest people.
>
>As a proportion of their income, They pay more than rich people.
>
Heh...theres an old law thats called the Minimum Taxable Amount clause that was
originally designed to catch rich peeps who dont claim all their income. But
its hitting the middle class with families hardest and missing the uber rich
entirely.
SO theres been only a 1/3 tax cut for most americans when you factor in the
MTA.
>>>Why will he not be increaseing tax on the rich?
>>>
>>Maybe he will. Check out www.johnkerry.com for details :)
>>
>>>Also, The idea of "the american dream" is fundament
>>>
>>Eh? The middle class is shrinking under Bush, that much we know for sure.
>
>Well, it's polariseing, Either you get very very rich, or you become
>poor. That's bush.
>
Sure, a two tiered economy. Haves & have nots.
Leads to class warfare & strife :(
>>>>invest in education and healthcare. He isn’t afraid to crack down on
>>>>corporations that are hiding their money in Bermuda to avoid paying their
>>fair
>>>
>>>Which corperations are these? can he not give any examples?
>>>
>>The ones hiding in Bermuda would be my guess.
>>Really Dave...c'mon!
>
>What about ones hideing in states that have no corperation tax?
>
Those too.
>>>Monsanto didn't like that bill.
>>>
>>>Check that out for yourself.
>>>
>>>The law firm of Mintz, Levin, Cohn, et. al., specializes in
>>>biotechnology law. One of their most important clients is Monsanto.
>>>
>>>Mintz, Levin, Cohn has acted as counsel in funding biotech
>>>acquisitions by raising nearly $800 million. Mintz, Levin & Cohn also
>>>represents Monsanto in PCB litigation.
>>>
>>>Guess what? in campaign donations from 1997 through 2002, Mintz, Levin
>>>& Cohn gave. $54,700 to kerry.
>>>
>>Wow. Oh well, I'm still votin fer Kerry :)
>
>Words.
>Eat.
>
>Eat words. Eat.
>
He insulted the GOP yesterday calling them "crooks". I'd say he's definitly the
guy I want :)
>>>>>Also, By trying to influence policy through donatuions, They are
>>>>>legitmiseing the game that corperations play anway, And since the
>>>>>corps will always have more money, They will lose anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>Why do you bother to get out of bed w/ an attitude like that?
>>>
>>>You're going to die one day.
>>>Why do you bother to get out of bed knowing that?
>>>
>>Because I want to have a bit of fun before I go :)
>
>When I die, Will I say: "I wish I had read more books"?
>
Maybe...I'll probably be saying "I wish I'd gotten laid more..."
:(
>>>>>
>>>>>The very fact that kerry went with the tide in the first place and
>>>>>voted for the Patrioat Act shows that he himself is weak.
>>>>>
>>>>>A true leader would have stuck to his principles.
>>>>>
>>>>Yawn. I'm still voting for Kerry :)
>>>
>>>You should put your fingers in your ears and shout:
>>>"na na na I can't hear you!"
>>>
>>>It would be more honest.
>>>
>>Or you could tell me & the rest of us why you wish to be a spoiler in this
>>election.YOU HAVE THE POWER TO SWAY THE CRITICAL FURRY VOTE!!!111!!!!!
>>:)
>
>I dunno.
>
You're the anti-fur.
>>>>>>>Since the patriot act was in itself, a massive assualt on civil
>>>>>>>rights.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, yes it is.
>>>>>
>>>>>And kerry supported it.
>>>>>
>>>>Whine about it lots more now :)
>>>
>>>Those are the words of a man who knows he is in the wrong.
>>>
>>I'm voting for Kerry :)
>>YOu can just piss & moan about it.
>
><insert lamer here>
>
BLAM
you hace been blam'd.
>>>>Kerry has turned a spotlight on the Bush Administration’s rollbacks of our
>>>>hard-won environmental gains and their outdated, old-economy notions that
our
>>>>environment must be sacrificed in the name of short-term profit. John Kerry
>>has
>>>
>>>So, We should sacrifice it in the name of long term profit then?
>>>
>>My god, you really *do* have comprehension problems don't you?
>>read s-l-o-w-l-y...
>
>I did read it, and it said "short term profit", perhaps you should ask
>him about long term profit?
>
I'm afraid to approach such a powerful individual.
You do it for me ;)
>>>>the courage to take on the polluters that are trying to gut our clean air
and
>>>>water laws. John Kerry has the vision to create a new Manhattan Project to
>>make
>>>>America independent of Middle East oil in 10 years by creating alternative
>>>>fuels like ethanol and making cars more efficient. We’ll create half a
>>million
>>>>new jobs here at home at the same time – and we’ll never have to send our
>>sons
>>>>and daughters to war for Mideast oil."
>>>
>>>That's fecking stupid, Since you need so much land to grow all that
>>>corn for ethanol that given americans current consumption, you'd need
>>>to grow corn over the entire of north america just to fuel it all.
>>>
>>Uh...you're way out of your league here Dave. American farmers have been paid
>>to *not* grow crops like corn for years. We have a grain *surplus*, not a
>>defecit. Thats the Bush economy you're thinking of :)
>
>That's because the grain is not being used to fuel cars. You will have
>to get rid of much of the cars and use much less electricity if that
>is to be a viable option.
>
Why?
>Given how much land
>
Believe me...theres pleanty of land being used to grow stuff.
>>>Not to mention, it still contributes to global warming.
>>>
>>Nope, it takes CO2 *out* of the system. Go here: www.greasel.com for some
ideas
>>on bio-diesel :)
>
Heh eh heh heh eh...Neil Young announced that he was having all his tour busses
converted to bio-diesel because it helps reduce the greenhouse problem.
NEIL YOUNG R00lS!!!!!
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But he takes the Corperate Shill from Monsanto...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>As a democrat? So you're saying that the dems get some money from corps?
>>>>>>Duh.
>>>>>
>>>>>The fact that they take money from corps makes them a tool of the
>>>>>corps./
>>>>>
>>>>>For example, in california, The democrats voted with the republicans
>>>>>to slash welfare instead of raiseing taxes.
>>>>>
>>>>Californians are stupid enough to elect Arnold, what do you expect?
>>>
>>>Quack. Quack. sounds like you're ducking the issue!
>>>
>>I addressed the stupidity of people in cali...what were you looking for?
>
>Maybe it's elsewhere too?
>
Its endemic to the populated parts of the globe ;)
>>>>>>>I've always made my political views quite clear from the start.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Socialism wont work in america dear...
>>>>>
>>>>>On what basis do you make that astonshingly sweeping statement?
>>>>>
>>>>A 200 year relatively successful experiment in democracy :)
>>>
>>>America is not a democracy, It's a republic with limited sufferage.
>>>
>>Actually Ive heard it described as an oligarchy :)
>>Maybe its becoming an 'apointocracy' though...
>
>Those twoo.
>
Oligarchy: a system run by a powerful elite.
FYI
>>>Still it''s funny how that never stoped Bush stealing the election eh?
>>
>>Diebold is very clever you see...no paper trail for ballots :)
>>
>>>Or Slavery.
>>
>>England *never* had slaves?
>
>Lots of them. Also, a lot of the "citizens" of the british empire were
>slaves in all but name.
>
Child labor helped make England great, eh?
>>>Or Genocide (of the indians)
>>
>>Yep, we're as fucked up as them South Afrikaaners.
>>
>>>Or wars over oil.
>>>
>>True dat :)
>>
>>>Yeah, Realy sucessful eh?
>>>
>>Well I read something that implied that we're not #1 in terms of true
>>democracy...maybe it was Belize that was?
>>Hmmm...
>
>Ancient Greece, except that women, mad people, and people you didn;t
>like were not allowed to vote.
>
Well that takes out furries then...
>>>>>Have you ever read "The German ideology" or "capital"?
>>>>>
>>>>No...tell me more.
>>>>
>>>>>Do you have even the vaguest idea as to their content?
>>>>>
>>>>Of course not :)
>>>
>>>I expected nothing but.
>>>
>>Got the Cliffs notes version? Ive got other things to do like read the
Atlantic
>>monthly you see...
>
>The german ideology can be sumed up as:
>
>Hagel sucks.
>The Young hegelians are all big poopy heads.
>
>The matriel determines history. So for example, the crusades were not
>primarly dirven by relegion, but rather because people were greedy for
>arab land.
>
Its usually land or some resource. Iraq would be ignored if not for the oil :)
>There was moore, But rats got at it and chewed it (seriously)
>
Sir Thomas? I thot he was beheaded for keeping his mouth shut?
>>>>>You Could vote For the Socalist Equality party, Who are standing, But
>>>>>I'm sure that you'd rather haveing the thinking done for you.
>>>>>
>>>>No...I'm not an ignorant twit who will throw his vote away on an untenable
>>>>candidate who has *NO* chance of winning.
>>>>Try again :)
>>>
>>>Sure, You'll still get an assualt on freedom and liberty and the
>>>enviroment whoever wins of the two.
>>>
>>I *know* what I'm getting with Bush...(2.8 million jobs lost, assault on the
>>enviroment) I *hope* things will be much better with John Kerry.
>>Thats my strategy.
>
>Well ok then, I can't fualt Hope. I hope that things will get better
>all the time.
>
I used to think it was what keeps me going...now I know that its actually food
& water.
>>>>>The Socalist Equality Party is running for the presidential election.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/stat-j27.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>Heh...you mean this guy?
>>>>"Its candidates are Bill Van Auken for president and Jim Lawrence for vice
>>>>president. Bill Van Auken, 54, is a full-time writer for the World
Socialist
>>>>Web Site. "
>>>>
>>>>He's elected himself as candidate.
>>>>Well maybe I should run as King of Hoemstead.
>>>>ROTFLMAO!
>>>
>>>No, he was chosen by the socalist equality party to be their
>>>candidate.
>>>
>>I'm still running as King of Hoemstead. I need a minister of foreign
policy...
>>hmmm.
>
>I'll do whatever you tell me to without an independent thought of my
>own! Pick me! pick me!
>
<picks you> Ok...um...flame that Pyesatz guy...he's irritating :)
Invade his territory and pillage & stuff...then claim we had a god given right
to that land as it was "holy" to us so annex it as well.
>>>>>>>Or is this an act in order to persuade certain people of something
>>>>>>>that they can use?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>We're all against you Dave :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Would you like me to make a "voices" and/or Schizophrenia Lamer here?
>>>>>
>>>>Could you? It'd make my job a little easier :)
>>>
>>><insert "You don't have a real job" lamer here>
>>>
>>Have you learned the Canadian anthem yet?
>
>Umm... "mooses, gooses and big trees, La La LA, Lee le le le"
>
>I think.
>
Oh Canada....something something something...
kinda like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>He hasn't even said he';ll do anything about the patrioat act.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>He has said that when the so-called Patriot act sunsets (comes up for
>>>>>>reveiw)
>>>>>>>>>>in '05 that he won't support it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>He supported it originaly did he not?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Duh. But the original act had a sunset clause. Or are you too stupid to
>>>>>>>>understand that concept you mental midget?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What you gonna do if he says that THE WAR ON TERROR needs to go on
>>>>>>>even longer and the act needs to stay?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
>>>>>
>>>>>A-Ha!
>>>>>
>>>>Ive already posted MB's of info & quotes...serious people are now well
>>>>informed. You can taunt me all you want, I'm still voting Kerry.
>>>
>>>At this point you should be saying:
>>>
>>>"na na na na na, I can't hear you" and sticking your fingers in your
>>>ears.
>>>
>>Bummed that I'm not gonna throw away a vote on your guy?
>>Sorry dave; its like this- I can't waste my vote.
>
> :o(
>
Fun text cut & pasted from various web pages:
"Because this populism, ever present on the radio and on Fox News , is obsessed
with the symbolism of the consumer culture. Instead of rebuking the powerful
directly, it vituperates against the snobbish and delicate things that the
powerful are believed to enjoy: special kinds of coffee, high-end restaurants,
Ivy League educations, vacations in Europe, and always, always, imported cars.
The beauty of it is that the architects of this Manichean claptrap knew from
the get-go that millions of the weaker-minded would buy into it, like they buy
into everything else they see or hear on TV. They've already been dumbed down
and Pavlovian- trained as indiscriminate consumers by the ad-hocracy and
corporatocracy."
Kewl huh?
>>>>Translation: throw you vote away and help Bush get re-elected.
>>>>Sorry Dave, no can do :)
>>>
>>>You'll merely get bush in sheeps clotheing anyway.
>>>
>>>You're damned if you do, And damned if you don't.
>>>
>>>As I've already proved, kerry takes money from the Corps.
>>>
>>>Roll on Corperate puppet election.
>>>
>>Thanks for permission as to how to cast my vote Dave.
>><smirk>
>
>You may vote, yes.
>
Diebold will be the final authority I fear :(
He's been slapped by that lady about bugging Hans Blix's office....and various
other scandals...I wont miss the bugger.
>>>>>That the american goverment brings all this upon itself.
>>>>>
>>>>>They caused sept 11th as sure as the people who acutually did the
>>>>>deed.
>>>>>
>>>>No...people *chose* to fly planes into buildings based on religious
beliefs.
>>>>Americas foreign policy probably helped influence their decision though.
>>>
>>>
>>Logic kicks your ass every time don't it?
>>:)
>
>They were ordered to, they were probably soldiers from the saudis.
>Maybe the saudis felt they had no choice at all, but they had to
>strike at the great satan.
>
I hate those saudi hypocrites...they take our oil dollars and then bitch about
it. Asshats the lot of em...
>Thiers not to reason why, Thiers but to do or die.
>
Allah will beat them up and take their 72 rasins :)
>>>>>>>Ameircan agents helped the military dictatorhop
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Eisenhower supported rebels in Gutamala to overthrow ademocratical
>>>>>>>elected goverment. over 250,000 died as a direct result of american
>>>>>>>actions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah yeah yeah...
>>>>>
>>>>>There are literaly hunderds more.
>>>>>
>>>>I know. The whole Hatian thing has some unanswered questions.
>>>
>>>Also, There have been reports that people who are detained by the
>>>british in iraq, have been dieing of heart attacks, But when the
>>>faimilys come to collect the bodies, they find bruises, broken limbs
>>>and stuff.
>>>
>>>Hmm, I wonder, Could british soldiers be beating iraquis to
>>>death?!?!?!
>>>
>>Well they were sending the so called detainees to places like Syria and
Israel
>>to get beat up. maybe they're doing it directly now.
>
>Cutting out the middleman to make saveings!
>
Let the experts handle it. You know outsourcing is a big issue nowadays...
>>>>>>>>>"Allies give us more hands in the struggle, but no president would
>>>>>>>>>ever let them tie our hands and prevent us from doing what must be
>>>>>>>>>done,"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Which means?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>*cough* Unilaterism *cough*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>SO you're agaisnt that?
>>>>>
>>>>>I prefer Negotations, Talking, Rather than just saying "do this".
>>>>>
>>>>Then you condemn people who fly planes into buildings?
>>>>Hmmmmm...
>>>
>>>That was the Saudis who probably arranged that, They are relegious
>>>crackpots.
>>>
>>>Relegious crackpots are excluded. That includes falwell and the like.
>>>
>>Why exclude those who have the most effect?
>>You cant have it both ways :)
>
>Because I abominate relegion.
>
I just abhore those who kill and claim that they're doing "gods work".
Well if thats gods work let him do it.
>>>>>Yeah well, Here in england, They are preposeing to let people vote
>>>>>online with just a normal computer to a "secure" website. I dread to
>>>>>think how easily that could be hacked.
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, There have been reports of postal ballots being tampered with
>>>>>here, however, The newspaprs uddently lost interest and nothing more
>>>>>was heard about it...
>>>>>
>>>>Welcome to the Brave New World...
>>>
>>>A british MP swapped houses for votes, then fled to isreal IIRC.
>>>
>>Interesting hiding place...
>
>Well, They can't winkle her out, And no matter how much they say
>pretty please, She won't give the money back.
>
Appeal to the Isrealis for help?
<chuckle>
>>>>>>>*cough* Henry Kissenger *cough*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nope, be real:
>>>>>>http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=15238&mode=nested&order=0
>>>>>
>>>>>I read that It was saudi arabia behind sept 11th. The majority of the
>>>>>hijackers were Saudi.
>>>>>
>>>>>Micheal moores new book, I can't remember the title, but that
>>>>>postulated that it was The Saudis what done it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cos, Even though the Saudis get american oil money, they are still
>>>>>relegious manciacs who will bite the hand that feeds them.
>>>>>
>>>>Yes.
>>>>Notice we're not attacking them though :)
>>>
>>>They even sent a special plane to send them home after septh 11th.
>>>
>>I know. How many reasons do you need to see that theres a difference between
>>Bush and *any* democrat?
>>Bush Family Ties to bin Ladens...g00gle on that for an eye opener.
>
>There was ome micheal moore book, Bush and me or something.
>
Lesse...theres "Dude, wheres my country?"
"Stupid White Men"
"Bowling for Columbine"
>I wonder whats happen to moore afther his candidate didn't make it.
>
He said that if he was voting by his pocketbook he'd have to support Bush
because all those tax cuts have benefitted rich guys...and now hes a rich guy.
But he prolly supports Kerry.
>>>>>>>Is it wrong to steal other peoples land?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Duh. Having a defined border is bad how?
>>>>>
>>>>>That's ducking the issue, All the land in the first place was stolen
>>>>>from the palestinains.
>>>>>
>>>>>Palestines existed for over 1000 yeasr before the isrealis nicked it.
>>>>>
>>>>English invade America.
>>>>Dutch invade South Africa.
>>>
>>>This is modern times.
>>>
>>I condemn the policies of Israel as much as anyone who dislikes their heavy
>>handed approach to securing a homeland. But you have to admit that they *are*
>>being attacked constantly. Maybe if both sides just took a few weeks
>>off...hmmm...
>
>Only because of their polocies in the first place!!
>
Jerusalem *is* really their city though...you have to admit...the wailing wall
and all that.
>>>>>>>>>That the palestiains were ethnicaly cleansed, Forced from their homes
>>>>>>>>>and killed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No kidding?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>do you think that you take up suicide bombing if it was the only way
>>>>>>>you could fight the people who did that you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nope. But militant religious FUNDIES would.
>>>>>>So would xtian fundies, oh wait...Bush is a fundie :)
>>>>>>Hmmmmmmmm...
>>>>>
>>>>>I think you would. I read that most of these suicide bombers, From
>>>>>Docotrs who had seen them beofre, or from talking to their families,
>>>>>they nearly all suffered from depression and stuff like that.
>>>>>Think about it, You live in miserable poverty, no hope of a job, You
>>>>>get depressed, why not take some isrealis who stole your land while
>>>>>you're at it?
>>>>>
>>>>Its a desparate act by hopless people, sure. But there are some successful
>>>>palestinians who grow pistachios & other crops. Make things etc.
>>>
>>>Not anymore. Palestines economy has utterly collapsed. and kerry
>>>doesn't care. He saus that arafay is an "outlaw".
>>>
>>>He courts the jewish vote.
>>>
>>I'd like to see a link to him actually saying that but it wouldnt suprise me
to
>>know that he did. He plays the middle usually.
>>Bush panders to the far right.
>
>It was in the guardian yesterday, That's as what they quoted him.
>
I need ta book mark it...I have the Register tabbed...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The palestians are poor, The isralis rich.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>YOu cant support your silly Blacks are being walled in argument can you?
>>>>>>Heh eh heh...
>>>>>
>>>>>The analogy still stands, It's a case for both of exploiatation.
>>>>>The isrealis exploit the palestians, What few jobs there once where in
>>>>>palestine were things like picking fruit.
>>>>>
>>>>>The palesitans would pick the fruit, The isrealis took the fruit and
>>>>>sold it for much more. Not passing the money on.
>>>>>
>>>>>Reminds me of others...
>>>>>
>>>>What do you want me to do about it?
>>>
>>>Get a paper knife and carve your way into history.
>>>
>>0_o Tell yu what...I'll pray to a god I dont believe in to smite the horrible
>>Isrealis, kay?
>>Or I'll go watch teevee...whatever...
>
>we bought a 25 inch sony T.V secondhand for only £120 and a DVD player
>and obscure french films to watch.
>
With Subtitles!?!?!? All hail film noir.
And cinema verite`.
>>>>teenagers who had fallen off the edge of society it was not too late. They
>>>>still wanted to lead a positive life. They still needed to find a pathway
>>>>where adults cared about them, offered them skills, education, a positive
>>peer
>>>>group, a way to get free of their drug and alcohol habits, and something to
>>>>belong to that opened doors to a decent future."
>>>
>>>Americans prisons are privatised, This creates a powerful inpetus to
>>>carry on locking people up, since people profit from it.
>>>
>>I know...it should scare the living shit out of any thinking person in this
>>country. But most Moron Americans (tm) don't seem to be aware of these
things.
>>States activly *court* those industries to be built in their state because it
>>"creates good jobs"! Fuck! Now we sell the concept of locking people up as
>>being *good* for the economy!?!?!?!?
>
>
>Seriously, There was a guy quoted in yesterdays paper as saying how it
>would be good for the local economy to have a prison built here.
>
Well...it does employ people...but when one puts economics abouve things like
justice and liberty....something is gone very wrong.
>>>FWIW, Britian is inviteing american companies to come over here and
>>>build privatised prisons.
>>>
>>You're heading down the same slippery slope. My heartfelt condolences :(
>>
>>>I think we're probably going to end up the 52nd state or something.
>>>
>>Heh...Well then I want some of that freebie healthcare.
>
>Umm... It's not free anymore. I have to pay £25 just to be allowed
>into the dentists surgery place.
>
Thats still cheap. I have to pay about 250$ per filling.
Surgery would be a lot more...
Did you have your jaw wired shut then?
>>Sure...but sattelites can track subs so it wouldn't be all that much of a
>>suprise, unless it was on a country w/ no way to get that data fro teh
>>sattelites...
>>I bet Camstone could tell us stuff about this...but he's very
sensitive...can't
>>take a joke etc...
>
>He refused to help me get infomation on ameircas arms exports!
>
He's so patriotic! Remember how he was posting from work? Now *thats*
dedication.
I Love Camstone :)
>>>all the other parties called on him to resign for saying that, and the
>>>conservatives refused to suport his statements.
>>>
>>>That makes me proud a bit.
>>>
>>If you ever get over here I'll be sure to take you shooting and you can get
>>over that fear of guns you have ;)
>
>Actually, I think I've been in denial over guns, I like shooting guns
>and I've always wanted to have a go with a black powder weapon esp.
>Even though I understand, That the flash of the powder in the "pan",
>often makes people flinch (unless it's precussion cap presumably), and
>they are very dirty and need lots of cleaning, And produce lots of
>recoil.
>
They kick like a gawdamn missouri mule.
>The problem is, any handgun, no matter what calibre or mechanism it
>uses is illegal.
>
Hmmmm...unless the admin does something about it, assault weapons will be legal
to own again after September. Thats when the ban runs out in teh US.
>Shotguns and single shot bolt action .22s are legal, But there are so
>many restrictions and stuff, That the local shooting club place here
>had to close down, Just because they couldn't take it all.
>
Hmmmmm...maybe the noise was too much. I saw a rifle range in Tucson close
because they built houses all around it and then bitched about the noise.
Id'jits...
>Not to mention, gunpowder, or blackpowder itself, IIRC, you need an
>exposives license to own it. And It's not like I could get an
>explosives license ever.
>
Anyone can buy reloading supplies...simple black powder and primers...all that
stuff.
Fireworks are legal here too :)
>It's easier to smash the toy than to make a new one remember.
>
>+NRA types make me cry.
>
Now you've lost me...
0_o
>>>>>>I'll go with the guy who I believe in most: Kerry.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok then, You're going to Vote Tacitaly.
>>>>>
>>>>>The lesser of two evils.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's what I will do anway. all the british Poltica parties are
>>>>>shits.
>>>>>But I'd rather have the Liberal Democrats than Labourl, And I'd rahte
>>>>>have labour than the conservatives.
>>>>>
>>>>You could have saved yourself some time by just figuring this out quickly.
>>>
>>>NO!
>>>
>>Yeah. Its been discussed in the media here also: democrats are dropping the
>>smaller issues and banding together. There is a very large backlash against
>>Bush on domestic policy. Less so on foreign policy, but with this evidence of
>>lieing to the public and spinning the whole WMD issue, that will change come
>>november :)
>
>I dunno, tony blair has been lieiong like shit and covering up
>eveything, But the papers just drop it after a few days.
>
Burnout. After a while you get used to the bad news...and it aint news anymore.
>>>>>>Get a charcoal filter mask you twit!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Owww, my fingers hurt. At least I had to think really hard.
>>>>>
>>>>I used one...they work real well.
>>>
>>>I have bags of charcol for the fishtank filters, Could't I just strap
>>>one to my face?
>>>
>>Ummmmm...no. A good filter mask will have changeable cartridges and fit real
>>closely to your face. they're not comfortable but they'll save your organs
from
>>damage :)
>>Over here they cost about 20.00-50.00$
>
>Well, I'm leaving on the 25th or sopemthing, I get a leaving present!
>
You prolly will get a watch...they always give watches...
King Snuhw()1f
Elector Palatine of the Rhine
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>>him.
>>
>>>>
>>>>>>I haven't started takeing it yet oddly enough. I'm still on my year
>>>>>>off as I said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Might want to stop slacking then :)
>>>>
>>>>I've been useing this time to study fine art, going to canada,
>>>
>>>You're in canada? Why didn't you say so?
>>>:)
>>
>>No, I'm not in Canada yet, check my IP adresss and all that. I'm still
>>in the UK.
>>I'll be leaving on the 31st of May to Toronto for 4 months!
>>
>Ah...be sure to insult the french people you run across :)
Sacre Bleu! Ou est le vessele? Je M'appele Jean'claude!
>>I'm going to get a job and learn to be a real canadien then travel a
>>bit in north america.
>>Then I come back and slack for a month and then go off to universirty,
>>Where I slack for 4 years.
>>
>Whee! Tell us your travel plans & maybe yu can meet some peeps from the NG :)
Umm... I dunno, I think I'm going to drive on a greyhound after I've
worked for 3 months in canada. I
The thing is, I feel this need to justify it all, by visiting all
these historical places in order to get educated by the historical
expierence.
Besides, I don't think many of the peopel on this NG like me anyway.
*cries*
>>>>at
>>>>least A WHOLE HOUR!!! of life drwaing every day, doing a job, Saveing
>>>>up £3000 and so on.
>>>>I hardly think you're one to point the finger...
>>>>
>>>I have a difficult intro to M$ Office class to attend...
>>
>>Those are easy money, You just sit around while peopel type, You don't
>>even have to do marking at home.
>>
>Its booring. I'm ahead of the class and could skip half classes & still ace it.
>Maybe Powerpoint will be fun...Excell is dull tho...
There's a hidden flying game hidden in excel 97 IIRC. It's got a
monument with the programmers name on it.
>>>>>>It's all fancy rhetoric, And no concrete polotcies or proposals at
>>>>>>all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Try again Dave.
>>>>
>>>>Cite some of these concrete promises and policies please.
>>>>Do not simply cut and paste rhetoric from the website, post some of
>>>>his concrete polices.
>>>>
>>>>Like maybe raiseing income tax to 80% on people like bill gates?
>>>>
>>>You will have to grep for it yourself.
>>>A) You don't live in America.
>>>B) You don't have a vote to cast.
>>
>>I will live there (for a while) in 3 years time so There!
>>I hope that Bush doesn't win, Cos if he does, god knows what the
>>country will be like in 3 yeasr and whether they'll let me in.
>>
>Um...damn...I shoulda bookmarked that site for you...Eschalon the bot that
>searches email, the web & usenet for keywords probably has flagged several of
>our posts thus far. I wouldn't be suprised if I and you are on the FBI no-fly
>list. You can't get thru security at the airport like the other peeps can: you
>get *special* treatment :)
Yeah, I remember once in germany, on a school trip, we got stopped and
searched at the airport, The only person they took away to search more
was a girl who had er... *raises eyebrows* big ones.
>>>>>>For example, He says nothing about repealing Bushs Tax cuts, nor does
>>>>>>he suggest raiseing taxes on the rich.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Look for the issues yourself. It's all there on the web site :)
>>>>
>>>>He says nothing on there about raiseing taxes for the rich, nor a free
>>>>at point of use healtchare scheme.
>>>>
>>>Grep for it yourself :)
>>
>>NO.
>>
>Remain uninformed then :)
fear no danger, Shirk no labour
Lift up rifle, pike and saber
To arms! To arms! to arms!
In dixie!
>>>>Think of it as draft-lite.
>>>>
>>>Think of it as WPA projects. Do you even know what the WPA was!?
>>
>>I don't like the "mandatory" element. It's not right to force children
>>to become "soldiers in the war on terrorism".
>>
>I doubt ther'll be a need for it unless this so-called war drags on.
>THe quicker we exit IRAQ the less chance of a draft.
I think if the "coalition" went home today, The fighting would mostly
stop. At least, The violent kind.
>>>>
>>>>I'm learning more about the world, As oppose to being shoved off to
>>>>university straight from school.
>>>>
>>>Uh huh. Go to Africa if you want to learn hard & fast.
>>
>>What if I get robbed by people kept in poverty by western
>>corperations?
>>
>You'll learn *real* fast. You might find them warm & friendly tho...
But dieing from Aids.
>>>>>"John Kerry has a plan to secure America’s economic future and ensure that
>>>>>workers can achieve the American dream in our changing economy. John Kerry
>>>has
>>>>>the courage to roll back Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans so we
>>>can
>>>>
>>>>Which of bushes taxs cuts will he be rolling back?
>>>>
>>>THe ones "for the wealthiest Americans" ???
>>>Comprehension problems Dave?
>>
>>Already, The current tax structure in america places too much of the
>>burden on the poorest people.
>>
>>As a proportion of their income, They pay more than rich people.
>>
>Heh...theres an old law thats called the Minimum Taxable Amount clause that was
>originally designed to catch rich peeps who dont claim all their income. But
>its hitting the middle class with families hardest and missing the uber rich
>entirely.
>SO theres been only a 1/3 tax cut for most americans when you factor in the
>MTA.
My father acutally earns less than me per hour, when taxes et al are
factored in.
>>>>Why will he not be increaseing tax on the rich?
>>>>
>>>Maybe he will. Check out www.johnkerry.com for details :)
>>>
>>>>Also, The idea of "the american dream" is fundament
>>>>
>>>Eh? The middle class is shrinking under Bush, that much we know for sure.
>>
>>Well, it's polariseing, Either you get very very rich, or you become
>>poor. That's bush.
>>
>Sure, a two tiered economy. Haves & have nots.
>Leads to class warfare & strife :(
There's going to be a drama Documentry on the BBC soon set in a
fictional future britian, Where rich people all live in gated
communitoies and poor people live in great urban slums.
Of course, They could always go to brazil to see it for real.
>>>>>invest in education and healthcare. He isn’t afraid to crack down on
>>>>>corporations that are hiding their money in Bermuda to avoid paying their
>>>fair
>>>>
>>>>Which corperations are these? can he not give any examples?
>>>>
>>>The ones hiding in Bermuda would be my guess.
>>>Really Dave...c'mon!
>>
>>What about ones hideing in states that have no corperation tax?
>>
>Those too.
North Dakota has no corp tax IIRC.
>>>>Monsanto didn't like that bill.
>>>>
>>>>Check that out for yourself.
>>>>
>>>>The law firm of Mintz, Levin, Cohn, et. al., specializes in
>>>>biotechnology law. One of their most important clients is Monsanto.
>>>>
>>>>Mintz, Levin, Cohn has acted as counsel in funding biotech
>>>>acquisitions by raising nearly $800 million. Mintz, Levin & Cohn also
>>>>represents Monsanto in PCB litigation.
>>>>
>>>>Guess what? in campaign donations from 1997 through 2002, Mintz, Levin
>>>>& Cohn gave. $54,700 to kerry.
>>>>
>>>Wow. Oh well, I'm still votin fer Kerry :)
>>
>>Words.
>>Eat.
>>
>>Eat words. Eat.
>>
>He insulted the GOP yesterday calling them "crooks". I'd say he's definitly the
>guy I want :)
Did he call em' "War criminals"?
>>>>>>Also, By trying to influence policy through donatuions, They are
>>>>>>legitmiseing the game that corperations play anway, And since the
>>>>>>corps will always have more money, They will lose anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Why do you bother to get out of bed w/ an attitude like that?
>>>>
>>>>You're going to die one day.
>>>>Why do you bother to get out of bed knowing that?
>>>>
>>>Because I want to have a bit of fun before I go :)
>>
>>When I die, Will I say: "I wish I had read more books"?
>>
>Maybe...I'll probably be saying "I wish I'd gotten laid more..."
>:(
I can be anything I want to be and do anything I want to, because I'm
young and have my whole life ahead of me!!!!
hough, it does seem a little odd how the days pass by. There are so
many days, but they all pass so quickly. And another day is gone...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The very fact that kerry went with the tide in the first place and
>>>>>>voted for the Patrioat Act shows that he himself is weak.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A true leader would have stuck to his principles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Yawn. I'm still voting for Kerry :)
>>>>
>>>>You should put your fingers in your ears and shout:
>>>>"na na na I can't hear you!"
>>>>
>>>>It would be more honest.
>>>>
>>>Or you could tell me & the rest of us why you wish to be a spoiler in this
>>>election.YOU HAVE THE POWER TO SWAY THE CRITICAL FURRY VOTE!!!111!!!!!
>>>:)
>>
>>I dunno.
>>
>You're the anti-fur.
I'm not anti-fur, Furry is my Smut fix!
And, there's even one or two artists produceing cubist furry art.
Neato!
>>>>>>>>Since the patriot act was in itself, a massive assualt on civil
>>>>>>>>rights.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, yes it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And kerry supported it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Whine about it lots more now :)
>>>>
>>>>Those are the words of a man who knows he is in the wrong.
>>>>
>>>I'm voting for Kerry :)
>>>YOu can just piss & moan about it.
>>
>><insert lamer here>
>>
>BLAM
>
>you hace been blam'd.
YOU R NO JOB WELFARE MAN!
>>>>>the courage to take on the polluters that are trying to gut our clean air
>and
>>>>>water laws. John Kerry has the vision to create a new Manhattan Project to
>>>make
>>>>>America independent of Middle East oil in 10 years by creating alternative
>>>>>fuels like ethanol and making cars more efficient. We’ll create half a
>>>million
>>>>>new jobs here at home at the same time – and we’ll never have to send our
>>>sons
>>>>>and daughters to war for Mideast oil."
>>>>
>>>>That's fecking stupid, Since you need so much land to grow all that
>>>>corn for ethanol that given americans current consumption, you'd need
>>>>to grow corn over the entire of north america just to fuel it all.
>>>>
>>>Uh...you're way out of your league here Dave. American farmers have been paid
>>>to *not* grow crops like corn for years. We have a grain *surplus*, not a
>>>defecit. Thats the Bush economy you're thinking of :)
>>
>>That's because the grain is not being used to fuel cars. You will have
>>to get rid of much of the cars and use much less electricity if that
>>is to be a viable option.
>>
>Why?
Because america uses too much energy. People leave computers on 25
hours a day and dont turn of the office lights and stuff!
>>>>Not to mention, it still contributes to global warming.
>>>>
>>>Nope, it takes CO2 *out* of the system. Go here: www.greasel.com for some
>ideas
>>>on bio-diesel :)
>>
>Heh eh heh heh eh...Neil Young announced that he was having all his tour busses
>converted to bio-diesel because it helps reduce the greenhouse problem.
>NEIL YOUNG R00lS!!!!!
My mother likes him,...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But he takes the Corperate Shill from Monsanto...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As a democrat? So you're saying that the dems get some money from corps?
>>>>>>>Duh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The fact that they take money from corps makes them a tool of the
>>>>>>corps./
>>>>>>
>>>>>>For example, in california, The democrats voted with the republicans
>>>>>>to slash welfare instead of raiseing taxes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Californians are stupid enough to elect Arnold, what do you expect?
>>>>
>>>>Quack. Quack. sounds like you're ducking the issue!
>>>>
>>>I addressed the stupidity of people in cali...what were you looking for?
>>
>>Maybe it's elsewhere too?
>>
>Its endemic to the populated parts of the globe ;)
Well, Those parts where there are rich peopel in existence.
>>>>Still it''s funny how that never stoped Bush stealing the election eh?
>>>
>>>Diebold is very clever you see...no paper trail for ballots :)
>>>
>>>>Or Slavery.
>>>
>>>England *never* had slaves?
>>
>>Lots of them. Also, a lot of the "citizens" of the british empire were
>>slaves in all but name.
>>
>Child labor helped make England great, eh?
Most of them only live to be about 25!!!
that's even worse than medevil times!
>>>>>>Have you ever read "The German ideology" or "capital"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>No...tell me more.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you have even the vaguest idea as to their content?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Of course not :)
>>>>
>>>>I expected nothing but.
>>>>
>>>Got the Cliffs notes version? Ive got other things to do like read the
>Atlantic
>>>monthly you see...
>>
>>The german ideology can be sumed up as:
>>
>>Hagel sucks.
>>The Young hegelians are all big poopy heads.
>>
>>The matriel determines history. So for example, the crusades were not
>>primarly dirven by relegion, but rather because people were greedy for
>>arab land.
>>
>Its usually land or some resource. Iraq would be ignored if not for the oil :)
>
>>There was moore, But rats got at it and chewed it (seriously)
>>
>Sir Thomas? I thot he was beheaded for keeping his mouth shut?
Well, The book got put in an attic for years, because people DID NOT
RECOGNIZE IT FOR THE MASTERPIECE IT WAS.
>>>>>>You Could vote For the Socalist Equality party, Who are standing, But
>>>>>>I'm sure that you'd rather haveing the thinking done for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>No...I'm not an ignorant twit who will throw his vote away on an untenable
>>>>>candidate who has *NO* chance of winning.
>>>>>Try again :)
>>>>
>>>>Sure, You'll still get an assualt on freedom and liberty and the
>>>>enviroment whoever wins of the two.
>>>>
>>>I *know* what I'm getting with Bush...(2.8 million jobs lost, assault on the
>>>enviroment) I *hope* things will be much better with John Kerry.
>>>Thats my strategy.
>>
>>Well ok then, I can't fualt Hope. I hope that things will get better
>>all the time.
>>
>I used to think it was what keeps me going...now I know that its actually food
>& water.
and Cheap alchol? I could buy 500ml of 37.5% vodka for only $7 approx.
>>>>>>The Socalist Equality Party is running for the presidential election.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/stat-j27.shtml
>>>>>>
>>>>>Heh...you mean this guy?
>>>>>"Its candidates are Bill Van Auken for president and Jim Lawrence for vice
>>>>>president. Bill Van Auken, 54, is a full-time writer for the World
>Socialist
>>>>>Web Site. "
>>>>>
>>>>>He's elected himself as candidate.
>>>>>Well maybe I should run as King of Hoemstead.
>>>>>ROTFLMAO!
>>>>
>>>>No, he was chosen by the socalist equality party to be their
>>>>candidate.
>>>>
>>>I'm still running as King of Hoemstead. I need a minister of foreign
>policy...
>>>hmmm.
>>
>>I'll do whatever you tell me to without an independent thought of my
>>own! Pick me! pick me!
>>
><picks you> Ok...um...flame that Pyesatz guy...he's irritating :)
>Invade his territory and pillage & stuff...then claim we had a god given right
>to that land as it was "holy" to us so annex it as well.
I made some pretty CUTTING remarks about his furvey methinks.
But he says he has some form of autism. I fear what will happen if
autistic people are allowed to reproduce.
>>>>>>>>Or is this an act in order to persuade certain people of something
>>>>>>>>that they can use?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We're all against you Dave :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Would you like me to make a "voices" and/or Schizophrenia Lamer here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Could you? It'd make my job a little easier :)
>>>>
>>>><insert "You don't have a real job" lamer here>
>>>>
>>>Have you learned the Canadian anthem yet?
>>
>>Umm... "mooses, gooses and big trees, La La LA, Lee le le le"
>>
>>I think.
>>
>Oh Canada....something something something...
>kinda like that.
The RMPS spy on people and invade their privacy and crossdress, So I
heard.
Wow, What amazing Jargon!!!!
The manicheans were people who said that jesus was both at once a
normal and man, but also the son of god at the same time, Nobody liked
them ever.
They got packed off to china by the byzantines IIRC. I think thye
still have some followers there.
>>>and everyones bandwidth.
>>>The thing I'm getting out of this is that you seem jealous that I have a vote
>>>to cast and you don't. Hey, sorry you can't vote or whatever you limeys do to
>>>appoint your numb-nuts leaders like Tony B-a-liar :)
>>
>>They don't even have to call elections every 4 years, They could in
>>theory stay as long as they want twithout calling an election.
>>
>>Probably though, in 18 months time the next one. Blair out!
>>
>He's been slapped by that lady about bugging Hans Blix's office....and various
>other scandals...I wont miss the bugger.
I won't be able to moan about him though :o(
However, he will probably either get in, or else the conservatives
will, and they are worse then he, so then I will have even more to
moan about!
>>>>>>That the american goverment brings all this upon itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They caused sept 11th as sure as the people who acutually did the
>>>>>>deed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>No...people *chose* to fly planes into buildings based on religious
>beliefs.
>>>>>Americas foreign policy probably helped influence their decision though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Logic kicks your ass every time don't it?
>>>:)
>>
>>They were ordered to, they were probably soldiers from the saudis.
>>Maybe the saudis felt they had no choice at all, but they had to
>>strike at the great satan.
>>
>I hate those saudi hypocrites...they take our oil dollars and then bitch about
>it. Asshats the lot of em...
>
>>Thiers not to reason why, Thiers but to do or die.
>>
>Allah will beat them up and take their 72 rasins :)
Jump! Jump! off the wall! Allah will receive you all!!
That's what a heavy metal band sung. It upset some peopke.
>>>>>>>>Ameircan agents helped the military dictatorhop
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Eisenhower supported rebels in Gutamala to overthrow ademocratical
>>>>>>>>elected goverment. over 250,000 died as a direct result of american
>>>>>>>>actions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yeah yeah yeah...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are literaly hunderds more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I know. The whole Hatian thing has some unanswered questions.
>>>>
>>>>Also, There have been reports that people who are detained by the
>>>>british in iraq, have been dieing of heart attacks, But when the
>>>>faimilys come to collect the bodies, they find bruises, broken limbs
>>>>and stuff.
>>>>
>>>>Hmm, I wonder, Could british soldiers be beating iraquis to
>>>>death?!?!?!
>>>>
>>>Well they were sending the so called detainees to places like Syria and
>Israel
>>>to get beat up. maybe they're doing it directly now.
>>
>>Cutting out the middleman to make saveings!
>>
>Let the experts handle it. You know outsourcing is a big issue nowadays...
You can just lock people in a room which is all white, Feed them white
rice on white plates and make them wear white clothes, Just like they
do in iran...
>>>>>>>>>>"Allies give us more hands in the struggle, but no president would
>>>>>>>>>>ever let them tie our hands and prevent us from doing what must be
>>>>>>>>>>done,"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Which means?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>*cough* Unilaterism *cough*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>SO you're agaisnt that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I prefer Negotations, Talking, Rather than just saying "do this".
>>>>>>
>>>>>Then you condemn people who fly planes into buildings?
>>>>>Hmmmmm...
>>>>
>>>>That was the Saudis who probably arranged that, They are relegious
>>>>crackpots.
>>>>
>>>>Relegious crackpots are excluded. That includes falwell and the like.
>>>>
>>>Why exclude those who have the most effect?
>>>You cant have it both ways :)
>>
>>Because I abominate relegion.
>>
>I just abhore those who kill and claim that they're doing "gods work".
>Well if thats gods work let him do it.
I think he is more than eager too, look at all those dead children.
>>>>>>Yeah well, Here in england, They are preposeing to let people vote
>>>>>>online with just a normal computer to a "secure" website. I dread to
>>>>>>think how easily that could be hacked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, There have been reports of postal ballots being tampered with
>>>>>>here, however, The newspaprs uddently lost interest and nothing more
>>>>>>was heard about it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>Welcome to the Brave New World...
>>>>
>>>>A british MP swapped houses for votes, then fled to isreal IIRC.
>>>>
>>>Interesting hiding place...
>>
>>Well, They can't winkle her out, And no matter how much they say
>>pretty please, She won't give the money back.
>>
>Appeal to the Isrealis for help?
><chuckle>
The govermint has asked her to meet for a "firendly discussion" on the
matter. Unforuntaly, She didn;t turn up.
>>>>>>>>*cough* Henry Kissenger *cough*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nope, be real:
>>>>>>>http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=15238&mode=nested&order=0
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I read that It was saudi arabia behind sept 11th. The majority of the
>>>>>>hijackers were Saudi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Micheal moores new book, I can't remember the title, but that
>>>>>>postulated that it was The Saudis what done it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cos, Even though the Saudis get american oil money, they are still
>>>>>>relegious manciacs who will bite the hand that feeds them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Yes.
>>>>>Notice we're not attacking them though :)
>>>>
>>>>They even sent a special plane to send them home after septh 11th.
>>>>
>>>I know. How many reasons do you need to see that theres a difference between
>>>Bush and *any* democrat?
>>>Bush Family Ties to bin Ladens...g00gle on that for an eye opener.
>>
>>There was ome micheal moore book, Bush and me or something.
>>
>Lesse...theres "Dude, wheres my country?"
>"Stupid White Men"
>"Bowling for Columbine"
>
>>I wonder whats happen to moore afther his candidate didn't make it.
>>
>He said that if he was voting by his pocketbook he'd have to support Bush
>because all those tax cuts have benefitted rich guys...and now hes a rich guy.
>But he prolly supports Kerry.
Well, IT COULD BE WORSE.
>>>>>>>>Is it wrong to steal other peoples land?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Duh. Having a defined border is bad how?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's ducking the issue, All the land in the first place was stolen
>>>>>>from the palestinains.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Palestines existed for over 1000 yeasr before the isrealis nicked it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>English invade America.
>>>>>Dutch invade South Africa.
>>>>
>>>>This is modern times.
>>>>
>>>I condemn the policies of Israel as much as anyone who dislikes their heavy
>>>handed approach to securing a homeland. But you have to admit that they *are*
>>>being attacked constantly. Maybe if both sides just took a few weeks
>>>off...hmmm...
>>
>>Only because of their polocies in the first place!!
>>
>Jerusalem *is* really their city though...you have to admit...the wailing wall
>and all that.
It's part of the worlds CULTURAL HERITIGE. It belongs to us ALL.
>>>>>>>>The palestians are poor, The isralis rich.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>YOu cant support your silly Blacks are being walled in argument can you?
>>>>>>>Heh eh heh...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The analogy still stands, It's a case for both of exploiatation.
>>>>>>The isrealis exploit the palestians, What few jobs there once where in
>>>>>>palestine were things like picking fruit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The palesitans would pick the fruit, The isrealis took the fruit and
>>>>>>sold it for much more. Not passing the money on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Reminds me of others...
>>>>>>
>>>>>What do you want me to do about it?
>>>>
>>>>Get a paper knife and carve your way into history.
>>>>
>>>0_o Tell yu what...I'll pray to a god I dont believe in to smite the horrible
>>>Isrealis, kay?
>>>Or I'll go watch teevee...whatever...
>>
>>we bought a 25 inch sony T.V secondhand for only £120 and a DVD player
>>and obscure french films to watch.
>>
>With Subtitles!?!?!? All hail film noir.
>And cinema verite`.
One of them is artistic that there is no dialogue whatsoever. And
nothing much happens, Except soem french people rob a bank.
>>>>>teenagers who had fallen off the edge of society it was not too late. They
>>>>>still wanted to lead a positive life. They still needed to find a pathway
>>>>>where adults cared about them, offered them skills, education, a positive
>>>peer
>>>>>group, a way to get free of their drug and alcohol habits, and something to
>>>>>belong to that opened doors to a decent future."
>>>>
>>>>Americans prisons are privatised, This creates a powerful inpetus to
>>>>carry on locking people up, since people profit from it.
>>>>
>>>I know...it should scare the living shit out of any thinking person in this
>>>country. But most Moron Americans (tm) don't seem to be aware of these
>things.
>>>States activly *court* those industries to be built in their state because it
>>>"creates good jobs"! Fuck! Now we sell the concept of locking people up as
>>>being *good* for the economy!?!?!?!?
>>
>>
>>Seriously, There was a guy quoted in yesterdays paper as saying how it
>>would be good for the local economy to have a prison built here.
>>
>Well...it does employ people...but when one puts economics abouve things like
>justice and liberty....something is gone very wrong.
Heh, Again, In the newspapers here, There's details of a scheme
whereby Private corperations will "lend" some of their executives to
british prisons in order to help them be more profitable!?!!?
>>>>FWIW, Britian is inviteing american companies to come over here and
>>>>build privatised prisons.
>>>>
>>>You're heading down the same slippery slope. My heartfelt condolences :(
>>>
>>>>I think we're probably going to end up the 52nd state or something.
>>>>
>>>Heh...Well then I want some of that freebie healthcare.
>>
>>Umm... It's not free anymore. I have to pay £25 just to be allowed
>>into the dentists surgery place.
>>
>Thats still cheap. I have to pay about 250$ per filling.
>Surgery would be a lot more...
>Did you have your jaw wired shut then?
I have no fillings!
the NHS paid for my Orthodontic treatment, to correct my teeth because
I was under 14 when I started it.
In total it cost, about £2500.
I had to pay extra for Gas though, £10 for sleepy gas. It was trippy
though. eveything looked like I was looking through a fish eye lens.
>>>Sure...but sattelites can track subs so it wouldn't be all that much of a
>>>suprise, unless it was on a country w/ no way to get that data fro teh
>>>sattelites...
>>>I bet Camstone could tell us stuff about this...but he's very
>sensitive...can't
>>>take a joke etc...
>>
>>He refused to help me get infomation on ameircas arms exports!
>>
>He's so patriotic! Remember how he was posting from work? Now *thats*
>dedication.
>I Love Camstone :)
I will paint my soul red, white and blue!
>>>>all the other parties called on him to resign for saying that, and the
>>>>conservatives refused to suport his statements.
>>>>
>>>>That makes me proud a bit.
>>>>
>>>If you ever get over here I'll be sure to take you shooting and you can get
>>>over that fear of guns you have ;)
>>
>>Actually, I think I've been in denial over guns, I like shooting guns
>>and I've always wanted to have a go with a black powder weapon esp.
>>Even though I understand, That the flash of the powder in the "pan",
>>often makes people flinch (unless it's precussion cap presumably), and
>>they are very dirty and need lots of cleaning, And produce lots of
>>recoil.
>>
>They kick like a gawdamn missouri mule.
You need good teeth also, to bite the top off the "cartride", that's
why the british army only too kpeope with good teeth.
>>The problem is, any handgun, no matter what calibre or mechanism it
>>uses is illegal.
>>
>Hmmmm...unless the admin does something about it, assault weapons will be legal
>to own again after September. Thats when the ban runs out in teh US.
Well, I don't reall understand why someone needs a machinegun, Unless
they live in texas.
>>Shotguns and single shot bolt action .22s are legal, But there are so
>>many restrictions and stuff, That the local shooting club place here
>>had to close down, Just because they couldn't take it all.
>>
>Hmmmmm...maybe the noise was too much. I saw a rifle range in Tucson close
>because they built houses all around it and then bitched about the noise.
>Id'jits...
No, It was out on an industrial estate, At least 1km from any houses.
But the restrictions... Guns had to be stored in huge (expensive)
safes, and thye had to have the triggers removed and kept somewhere
else, The ammunition was about $5 or £2.50 for 10 .22 rounds et al.
>>Not to mention, gunpowder, or blackpowder itself, IIRC, you need an
>>exposives license to own it. And It's not like I could get an
>>explosives license ever.
>>
>Anyone can buy reloading supplies...simple black powder and primers...all that
>stuff.
>Fireworks are legal here too :)
Wow, I want to make my own matchlock rifle!
>>It's easier to smash the toy than to make a new one remember.
>>
>>+NRA types make me cry.
>>
>Now you've lost me...
>0_o
Well, There were a few "funny" people at the shooting club, I'm sure
one knows the sort...
My dentist went though! he was an amazing shot, he had very steady
hands. which was rather releif really.
>>>>>>>Get a charcoal filter mask you twit!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Owww, my fingers hurt. At least I had to think really hard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I used one...they work real well.
>>>>
>>>>I have bags of charcol for the fishtank filters, Could't I just strap
>>>>one to my face?
>>>>
>>>Ummmmm...no. A good filter mask will have changeable cartridges and fit real
>>>closely to your face. they're not comfortable but they'll save your organs
>from
>>>damage :)
>>>Over here they cost about 20.00-50.00$
>>
>>Well, I'm leaving on the 25th or sopemthing, I get a leaving present!
>>
>You prolly will get a watch...they always give watches...
The last person got a bottle of Cognac and a pot plant.
---
"My men have a disease of the heart which can only be assuaged by
gold"- Hernan Cortez
§ńühwřŁf
<4053015...@news.individual.net>:
>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>I haven't started takeing it yet oddly enough. I'm still on my year
>>>>>>>off as I said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Might want to stop slacking then :)
>>>>>
>>>>>I've been useing this time to study fine art, going to canada,
>>>>
>>>>You're in canada? Why didn't you say so?
>>>>:)
>>>
>>>No, I'm not in Canada yet, check my IP adresss and all that. I'm still
>>>in the UK.
>>>I'll be leaving on the 31st of May to Toronto for 4 months!
>>>
>>Ah...be sure to insult the french people you run across :)
>
>Sacre Bleu! Ou est le vessele? Je M'appele Jean'claude!
>
Mal de merde!
>>>I'm going to get a job and learn to be a real canadien then travel a
>>>bit in north america.
>>>Then I come back and slack for a month and then go off to universirty,
>>>Where I slack for 4 years.
>>>
>>Whee! Tell us your travel plans & maybe yu can meet some peeps from the NG :)
>
>Umm... I dunno, I think I'm going to drive on a greyhound after I've
>worked for 3 months in canada. I
>
Poor doggy...why not just take a bus?
>The thing is, I feel this need to justify it all, by visiting all
>these historical places in order to get educated by the historical
>expierence.
>
Go to the Grand Canyon, Carlsbad Caverns, Mammoth Cave, the Alamo and Custer
Battlefield National Monument.
>Besides, I don't think many of the peopel on this NG like me anyway.
>*cries*
>
All the more reason to show up at their house :)
>>>>>at
>>>>>least A WHOLE HOUR!!! of life drwaing every day, doing a job, Saveing
>>>>>up £3000 and so on.
>>>>>I hardly think you're one to point the finger...
>>>>>
>>>>I have a difficult intro to M$ Office class to attend...
>>>
>>>Those are easy money, You just sit around while peopel type, You don't
>>>even have to do marking at home.
>>>
>>Its booring. I'm ahead of the class and could skip half classes & still ace
it.
>>Maybe Powerpoint will be fun...Excell is dull tho...
>
>There's a hidden flying game hidden in excel 97 IIRC. It's got a
>monument with the programmers name on it.
>
EASTER EGGS!!! I'll look for it...
>>>>>>>It's all fancy rhetoric, And no concrete polotcies or proposals at
>>>>>>>all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Try again Dave.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cite some of these concrete promises and policies please.
>>>>>Do not simply cut and paste rhetoric from the website, post some of
>>>>>his concrete polices.
>>>>>
>>>>>Like maybe raiseing income tax to 80% on people like bill gates?
>>>>>
>>>>You will have to grep for it yourself.
>>>>A) You don't live in America.
>>>>B) You don't have a vote to cast.
>>>
>>>I will live there (for a while) in 3 years time so There!
>>>I hope that Bush doesn't win, Cos if he does, god knows what the
>>>country will be like in 3 yeasr and whether they'll let me in.
>>>
>>Um...damn...I shoulda bookmarked that site for you...Eschalon the bot that
>>searches email, the web & usenet for keywords probably has flagged several of
>>our posts thus far. I wouldn't be suprised if I and you are on the FBI no-fly
>>list. You can't get thru security at the airport like the other peeps can:
you
>>get *special* treatment :)
>
>Yeah, I remember once in germany, on a school trip, we got stopped and
>searched at the airport, The only person they took away to search more
>was a girl who had er... *raises eyebrows* big ones.
>
Heh...kom here frauline...hey, the US is torturing your dark skinned fellow
brits:
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/enhancedstory.jsp?maxphotos=5&phototerm=Gua
ntanamo+Bay&floc=FF-APO-
PLS&idq=/ff/story/0001/20040312/0729494493.htm&photoid=20040309XLJM103
Was he innocent?
>>>>>>>For example, He says nothing about repealing Bushs Tax cuts, nor does
>>>>>>>he suggest raiseing taxes on the rich.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Look for the issues yourself. It's all there on the web site :)
>>>>>
>>>>>He says nothing on there about raiseing taxes for the rich, nor a free
>>>>>at point of use healtchare scheme.
>>>>>
>>>>Grep for it yourself :)
>>>
>>>NO.
>>>
>>Remain uninformed then :)
>
>fear no danger, Shirk no labour
>Lift up rifle, pike and saber
>To arms! To arms! to arms!
>
>In dixie!
>
Friggin dixiecrats...thump that damn bible of theirs all the time...
He knows the universe and does not know himself.
-Jean de la Fontaine
>>>>>Think of it as draft-lite.
>>>>>
>>>>Think of it as WPA projects. Do you even know what the WPA was!?
>>>
>>>I don't like the "mandatory" element. It's not right to force children
>>>to become "soldiers in the war on terrorism".
>>>
>>I doubt ther'll be a need for it unless this so-called war drags on.
>>THe quicker we exit IRAQ the less chance of a draft.
>
>I think if the "coalition" went home today, The fighting would mostly
>stop. At least, The violent kind.
>
There'd be a short lived civil war as the various factions of Shiites & Sunnis
etc jostled for power. But America wants to maintain its power there since
theres OIL.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm learning more about the world, As oppose to being shoved off to
>>>>>university straight from school.
>>>>>
>>>>Uh huh. Go to Africa if you want to learn hard & fast.
>>>
>>>What if I get robbed by people kept in poverty by western
>>>corperations?
>>>
>>You'll learn *real* fast. You might find them warm & friendly tho...
>
>But dieing from Aids.
>
True...not all but many. you could be a computer consultant with what you know.
Since in comparason they know nothing.
>>>>>Which of bushes taxs cuts will he be rolling back?
>>>>>
>>>>THe ones "for the wealthiest Americans" ???
>>>>Comprehension problems Dave?
>>>
>>>Already, The current tax structure in america places too much of the
>>>burden on the poorest people.
>>>
>>>As a proportion of their income, They pay more than rich people.
>>>
>>Heh...theres an old law thats called the Minimum Taxable Amount clause that
was
>>originally designed to catch rich peeps who dont claim all their income. But
>>its hitting the middle class with families hardest and missing the uber rich
>>entirely.
>>SO theres been only a 1/3 tax cut for most americans when you factor in the
>>MTA.
>
>My father acutally earns less than me per hour, when taxes et al are
>factored in.
>
0_o Whoa... but the benifits make up for it?
>>>>>Why will he not be increaseing tax on the rich?
>>>>>
>>>>Maybe he will. Check out www.johnkerry.com for details :)
>>>>
>>>>>Also, The idea of "the american dream" is fundament
>>>>>
>>>>Eh? The middle class is shrinking under Bush, that much we know for sure.
>>>
>>>Well, it's polariseing, Either you get very very rich, or you become
>>>poor. That's bush.
>>>
>>Sure, a two tiered economy. Haves & have nots.
>>Leads to class warfare & strife :(
>
>There's going to be a drama Documentry on the BBC soon set in a
>fictional future britian, Where rich people all live in gated
>communitoies and poor people live in great urban slums.
>
>Of course, They could always go to brazil to see it for real.
>
Or America :) I saw it happen in Tucson. Cities here become segragated like
this: the rich live in gated communities in the suburbs and the foothills and
the poor live in the urban center.
This is your future America....*guaranteed* under Bush.
>>>>>>invest in education and healthcare. He isn’t afraid to crack down on
>>>>>>corporations that are hiding their money in Bermuda to avoid paying their
>>>>fair
>>>>>
>>>>>Which corperations are these? can he not give any examples?
>>>>>
>>>>The ones hiding in Bermuda would be my guess.
>>>>Really Dave...c'mon!
>>>
>>>What about ones hideing in states that have no corperation tax?
>>>
>>Those too.
>
>North Dakota has no corp tax IIRC.
>
ND lacks a lot of things...a tolerable climate being one of them.
>>>>>Guess what? in campaign donations from 1997 through 2002, Mintz, Levin
>>>>>& Cohn gave. $54,700 to kerry.
>>>>>
>>>>Wow. Oh well, I'm still votin fer Kerry :)
>>>
>>>Words.
>>>Eat.
>>>
>>>Eat words. Eat.
>>>
>>He insulted the GOP yesterday calling them "crooks". I'd say he's definitly
the
>>guy I want :)
>
>Did he call em' "War criminals"?
>
Nope...just said they were a bunch of crooks :)
>>>>>You're going to die one day.
>>>>>Why do you bother to get out of bed knowing that?
>>>>>
>>>>Because I want to have a bit of fun before I go :)
>>>
>>>When I die, Will I say: "I wish I had read more books"?
>>>
>>Maybe...I'll probably be saying "I wish I'd gotten laid more..."
>>:(
>
>I can be anything I want to be and do anything I want to, because I'm
>young and have my whole life ahead of me!!!!
>
Yep.
>hough, it does seem a little odd how the days pass by. There are so
>many days, but they all pass so quickly. And another day is gone...
>
It speeds up as you get older. Heres a theory as to why: when we're cold we
percieve time as passing more quickly, when we're hot it seems to pass more
slowly. As we age our mean body temp drops and so we percieve time to pass more
quickly.
FYI
Actual Theory©
>>>>Or you could tell me & the rest of us why you wish to be a spoiler in this
>>>>election.YOU HAVE THE POWER TO SWAY THE CRITICAL FURRY VOTE!!!111!!!!!
>>>>:)
>>>
>>>I dunno.
>>>
>>You're the anti-fur.
>
>I'm not anti-fur, Furry is my Smut fix!
>And, there's even one or two artists produceing cubist furry art.
>Neato!
>
Who!? I demand to know! Real art being furry themed!??! Well...there is Bob
Drake...
>>>>I'm voting for Kerry :)
>>>>YOu can just piss & moan about it.
>>>
>>><insert lamer here>
>>>
>>BLAM
>>
>>you hace been blam'd.
>
>YOU R NO JOB WELFARE MAN!
>
IR BABOON!
:)
>>>>>That's fecking stupid, Since you need so much land to grow all that
>>>>>corn for ethanol that given americans current consumption, you'd need
>>>>>to grow corn over the entire of north america just to fuel it all.
>>>>>
>>>>Uh...you're way out of your league here Dave. American farmers have been
paid
>>>>to *not* grow crops like corn for years. We have a grain *surplus*, not a
>>>>defecit. Thats the Bush economy you're thinking of :)
>>>
>>>That's because the grain is not being used to fuel cars. You will have
>>>to get rid of much of the cars and use much less electricity if that
>>>is to be a viable option.
>>>
>>Why?
>
>Because america uses too much energy. People leave computers on 25
>hours a day and dont turn of the office lights and stuff!
>
I leave this laptop on 24/7 because I dont want to do a stone cold boot
everyday and wear the bugger out.
Theres energy star© features you can enable on most PCs. THe office lights
should go *off* I agree.
>>>>>Not to mention, it still contributes to global warming.
>>>>>
>>>>Nope, it takes CO2 *out* of the system. Go here: www.greasel.com for some
>>ideas
>>>>on bio-diesel :)
>>>
>>Heh eh heh heh eh...Neil Young announced that he was having all his tour
busses
>>converted to bio-diesel because it helps reduce the greenhouse problem.
>>NEIL YOUNG R00lS!!!!!
>
>My mother likes him,...
>
He sang about the Kent State massacre...
"four dead in Ohio..."
>>>>>>>For example, in california, The democrats voted with the republicans
>>>>>>>to slash welfare instead of raiseing taxes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Californians are stupid enough to elect Arnold, what do you expect?
>>>>>
>>>>>Quack. Quack. sounds like you're ducking the issue!
>>>>>
>>>>I addressed the stupidity of people in cali...what were you looking for?
>>>
>>>Maybe it's elsewhere too?
>>>
>>Its endemic to the populated parts of the globe ;)
>
>Well, Those parts where there are rich peopel in existence.
>
Just about everywhere then :)
>>>>>Still it''s funny how that never stoped Bush stealing the election eh?
>>>>
>>>>Diebold is very clever you see...no paper trail for ballots :)
>>>>
>>>>>Or Slavery.
>>>>
>>>>England *never* had slaves?
>>>
>>>Lots of them. Also, a lot of the "citizens" of the british empire were
>>>slaves in all but name.
>>>
>>Child labor helped make England great, eh?
>
>Most of them only live to be about 25!!!
>that's even worse than medevil times!
>
Black Lung was a 'orrible way to die...
But you'd be suprised how much coal a 6 yr old can dig in a 16 hour day...
>>>
>>>The german ideology can be sumed up as:
>>>
>>>Hagel sucks.
>>>The Young hegelians are all big poopy heads.
>>>
>>>The matriel determines history. So for example, the crusades were not
>>>primarly dirven by relegion, but rather because people were greedy for
>>>arab land.
>>>
>>Its usually land or some resource. Iraq would be ignored if not for the oil
:)
>>
>>>There was moore, But rats got at it and chewed it (seriously)
>>>
>>Sir Thomas? I thot he was beheaded for keeping his mouth shut?
>
>Well, The book got put in an attic for years, because people DID NOT
>RECOGNIZE IT FOR THE MASTERPIECE IT WAS.
>
It was ahead of its time. Many things are...equal rights...
>>>>>Sure, You'll still get an assualt on freedom and liberty and the
>>>>>enviroment whoever wins of the two.
>>>>>
>>>>I *know* what I'm getting with Bush...(2.8 million jobs lost, assault on
the
>>>>enviroment) I *hope* things will be much better with John Kerry.
>>>>Thats my strategy.
>>>
>>>Well ok then, I can't fualt Hope. I hope that things will get better
>>>all the time.
>>>
>>I used to think it was what keeps me going...now I know that its actually
food
>>& water.
>
>and Cheap alchol? I could buy 500ml of 37.5% vodka for only $7 approx.
>
I gave up consuming large amounts in the 90's...
you could get an early start on quitting now :)
>>>>I'm still running as King of Hoemstead. I need a minister of foreign
>>policy...
>>>>hmmm.
>>>
>>>I'll do whatever you tell me to without an independent thought of my
>>>own! Pick me! pick me!
>>>
>><picks you> Ok...um...flame that Pyesatz guy...he's irritating :)
>>Invade his territory and pillage & stuff...then claim we had a god given
right
>>to that land as it was "holy" to us so annex it as well.
>
>I made some pretty CUTTING remarks about his furvey methinks.
>But he says he has some form of autism. I fear what will happen if
>autistic people are allowed to reproduce.
>
You might want to get a copy of this months Atlantic Monthly then...it has a
excellent article on the ethics of cloning and eugenics.
>>>>Have you learned the Canadian anthem yet?
>>>
>>>Umm... "mooses, gooses and big trees, La La LA, Lee le le le"
>>>
>>>I think.
>>>
>>Oh Canada....something something something...
>>kinda like that.
>
>The RMPS spy on people and invade their privacy and crossdress, So I
>heard.
>
The crossdressing I can handle...spying is just rude however. I was under the
impresssion that Canada has better privacy laws than the US does since the
power grab that Ashcroft did post 9/11.
>>Fun text cut & pasted from various web pages:
>>
>>"Because this populism, ever present on the radio and on Fox News , is
obsessed
>>with the symbolism of the consumer culture. Instead of rebuking the powerful
>>directly, it vituperates against the snobbish and delicate things that the
>>powerful are believed to enjoy: special kinds of coffee, high-end
restaurants,
>>Ivy League educations, vacations in Europe, and always, always, imported
cars.
>>The beauty of it is that the architects of this Manichean claptrap knew from
>>the get-go that millions of the weaker-minded would buy into it, like they
buy
>>into everything else they see or hear on TV. They've already been dumbed down
>>and Pavlovian- trained as indiscriminate consumers by the ad-hocracy and
>>corporatocracy."
>>
>>Kewl huh?
>
>Wow, What amazing Jargon!!!!
>
>The manicheans were people who said that jesus was both at once a
>normal and man, but also the son of god at the same time, Nobody liked
>them ever.
>
>They got packed off to china by the byzantines IIRC. I think thye
>still have some followers there.
>
You really ought to look into teaching history at university.
Really...
>>>They don't even have to call elections every 4 years, They could in
>>>theory stay as long as they want twithout calling an election.
>>>
>>>Probably though, in 18 months time the next one. Blair out!
>>>
>>He's been slapped by that lady about bugging Hans Blix's office....and
various
>>other scandals...I wont miss the bugger.
>
>I won't be able to moan about him though :o(
>However, he will probably either get in, or else the conservatives
>will, and they are worse then he, so then I will have even more to
>moan about!
>
The papers there are ripping him a new arsehole on the whole Iraq thing:
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1164326,00.html
>>>
>>>They were ordered to, they were probably soldiers from the saudis.
>>>Maybe the saudis felt they had no choice at all, but they had to
>>>strike at the great satan.
>>>
>>I hate those saudi hypocrites...they take our oil dollars and then bitch
about
>>it. Asshats the lot of em...
>>
>>>Thiers not to reason why, Thiers but to do or die.
>>>
>>Allah will beat them up and take their 72 rasins :)
>
>Jump! Jump! off the wall! Allah will receive you all!!
>
>That's what a heavy metal band sung. It upset some peopke.
>
They sound kewl. Most groups of people need a reality check from time to time.
And fundamentalists of *all* stripes need it the most :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, There have been reports that people who are detained by the
>>>>>british in iraq, have been dieing of heart attacks, But when the
>>>>>faimilys come to collect the bodies, they find bruises, broken limbs
>>>>>and stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hmm, I wonder, Could british soldiers be beating iraquis to
>>>>>death?!?!?!
>>>>>
>>>>Well they were sending the so called detainees to places like Syria and
>>Israel
>>>>to get beat up. maybe they're doing it directly now.
>>>
>>>Cutting out the middleman to make saveings!
>>>
>>Let the experts handle it. You know outsourcing is a big issue nowadays...
>
>You can just lock people in a room which is all white, Feed them white
>rice on white plates and make them wear white clothes, Just like they
>do in iran...
>
Sounds like science fiction...is there a point to it?
Some sort of sensory deprivation?
Sleep deprivation is the most effective "tool" in brainwashing IIRC.
>>>>>>>I prefer Negotations, Talking, Rather than just saying "do this".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Then you condemn people who fly planes into buildings?
>>>>>>Hmmmmm...
>>>>>
>>>>>That was the Saudis who probably arranged that, They are relegious
>>>>>crackpots.
>>>>>
>>>>>Relegious crackpots are excluded. That includes falwell and the like.
>>>>>
>>>>Why exclude those who have the most effect?
>>>>You cant have it both ways :)
>>>
>>>Because I abominate relegion.
>>>
>>I just abhore those who kill and claim that they're doing "gods work".
>>Well if thats gods work let him do it.
>
>I think he is more than eager too, look at all those dead children.
>
But did "god" actually do it or was it people pretending to do "gods work"?
I think people should quit trying to play god.
I mean...if god exists and is all powerful, he would have the resources to do
any necessary thing himself-directly.
>>>>>A british MP swapped houses for votes, then fled to isreal IIRC.
>>>>>
>>>>Interesting hiding place...
>>>
>>>Well, They can't winkle her out, And no matter how much they say
>>>pretty please, She won't give the money back.
>>>
>>Appeal to the Isrealis for help?
>><chuckle>
>
>The govermint has asked her to meet for a "firendly discussion" on the
>matter. Unforuntaly, She didn;t turn up.
>
She'd have to be an idiot to show up.
>>>There was ome micheal moore book, Bush and me or something.
>>>
>>Lesse...theres "Dude, wheres my country?"
>>"Stupid White Men"
>>"Bowling for Columbine"
>>
>>>I wonder whats happen to moore afther his candidate didn't make it.
>>>
>>He said that if he was voting by his pocketbook he'd have to support Bush
>>because all those tax cuts have benefitted rich guys...and now hes a rich
guy.
>>But he prolly supports Kerry.
>
>Well, IT COULD BE WORSE.
>
How so?
>>>>>>English invade America.
>>>>>>Dutch invade South Africa.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is modern times.
>>>>>
>>>>I condemn the policies of Israel as much as anyone who dislikes their heavy
>>>>handed approach to securing a homeland. But you have to admit that they
*are*
>>>>being attacked constantly. Maybe if both sides just took a few weeks
>>>>off...hmmm...
>>>
>>>Only because of their polocies in the first place!!
>>>
>>Jerusalem *is* really their city though...you have to admit...the wailing
wall
>>and all that.
>
>It's part of the worlds CULTURAL HERITIGE. It belongs to us ALL.
>
One question: do the jews deserve a homeland?
>>>>>>What do you want me to do about it?
>>>>>
>>>>>Get a paper knife and carve your way into history.
>>>>>
>>>>0_o Tell yu what...I'll pray to a god I dont believe in to smite the
horrible
>>>>Isrealis, kay?
>>>>Or I'll go watch teevee...whatever...
>>>
>>>we bought a 25 inch sony T.V secondhand for only £120 and a DVD player
>>>and obscure french films to watch.
>>>
>>With Subtitles!?!?!? All hail film noir.
>>And cinema verite`.
>
>One of them is artistic that there is no dialogue whatsoever. And
>nothing much happens, Except soem french people rob a bank.
>
How very artistic! I'd like to see the Lion King 2.5 on dvd...its full of
Timon's oddly jewish sounding relatives. I wonder why cartoons so often use
stereotypes with respect to the dialog and accents for the characters.
Must be a lazy writers crutch :)
>>>>>Americans prisons are privatised, This creates a powerful inpetus to
>>>>>carry on locking people up, since people profit from it.
>>>>>
>>>>I know...it should scare the living shit out of any thinking person in this
>>>>country. But most Moron Americans (tm) don't seem to be aware of these
>>things.
>>>>States activly *court* those industries to be built in their state because
it
>>>>"creates good jobs"! Fuck! Now we sell the concept of locking people up as
>>>>being *good* for the economy!?!?!?!?
>>>
>>>
>>>Seriously, There was a guy quoted in yesterdays paper as saying how it
>>>would be good for the local economy to have a prison built here.
>>>
>>Well...it does employ people...but when one puts economics abouve things like
>>justice and liberty....something is gone very wrong.
>
>Heh, Again, In the newspapers here, There's details of a scheme
>whereby Private corperations will "lend" some of their executives to
>british prisons in order to help them be more profitable!?!!?
>
I wonder if historians will look back on the 20th century as some kind of
second Dark Age?
:(
>>>>>FWIW, Britian is inviteing american companies to come over here and
>>>>>build privatised prisons.
>>>>>
>>>>You're heading down the same slippery slope. My heartfelt condolences :(
>>>>
>>>>>I think we're probably going to end up the 52nd state or something.
>>>>>
>>>>Heh...Well then I want some of that freebie healthcare.
>>>
>>>Umm... It's not free anymore. I have to pay £25 just to be allowed
>>>into the dentists surgery place.
>>>
>>Thats still cheap. I have to pay about 250$ per filling.
>>Surgery would be a lot more...
>>Did you have your jaw wired shut then?
>
>I have no fillings!
>the NHS paid for my Orthodontic treatment, to correct my teeth because
>I was under 14 when I started it.
>In total it cost, about £2500.
>
Now thats a good system...
>I had to pay extra for Gas though, £10 for sleepy gas. It was trippy
>though. eveything looked like I was looking through a fish eye lens.
>
It permanently warped your mind it seems :(
Sounds like how we used to sell carpet cleaning. Its 25$ per room. pretreating
the carpet with soap (a necessary ingriedient to a thourough job) is however an
additional 12.00$ :)
>>>>Sure...but sattelites can track subs so it wouldn't be all that much of a
>>>>suprise, unless it was on a country w/ no way to get that data fro teh
>>>>sattelites...
>>>>I bet Camstone could tell us stuff about this...but he's very
>>sensitive...can't
>>>>take a joke etc...
>>>
>>>He refused to help me get infomation on ameircas arms exports!
>>>
>>He's so patriotic! Remember how he was posting from work? Now *thats*
>>dedication.
>>I Love Camstone :)
>
>I will paint my soul red, white and blue!
>
You should go visit him and that Cougar fella :)
Smyrgol is also on the east coast. I bet in Rl they'd be very pleasant actually
and not beat you about the head with plushies ;)
>>>>>all the other parties called on him to resign for saying that, and the
>>>>>conservatives refused to suport his statements.
>>>>>
>>>>>That makes me proud a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>If you ever get over here I'll be sure to take you shooting and you can get
>>>>over that fear of guns you have ;)
>>>
>>>Actually, I think I've been in denial over guns, I like shooting guns
>>>and I've always wanted to have a go with a black powder weapon esp.
>>>Even though I understand, That the flash of the powder in the "pan",
>>>often makes people flinch (unless it's precussion cap presumably), and
>>>they are very dirty and need lots of cleaning, And produce lots of
>>>recoil.
>>>
>>They kick like a gawdamn missouri mule.
>
>You need good teeth also, to bite the top off the "cartride", that's
>why the british army only took peope with good teeth.
>
Ummmm...most muzzle loaders IIRC have no cartrige. Just powder, wadding, ball,
and more wadding. Flint-locks...you know...
>>>The problem is, any handgun, no matter what calibre or mechanism it
>>>uses is illegal.
>>>
>>Hmmmm...unless the admin does something about it, assault weapons will be
legal
>>to own again after September. Thats when the ban runs out in teh US.
>
>Well, I don't reall understand why someone needs a machinegun, Unless
>they live in texas.
>
No one really needs guns if you look at it from a standpoint of "need".
Exceptions being Police and sport hunters. But in a society that is free enough
to allow its citizenry to own guns, it indicates a certain trust and attitude
towards the ability of said citizenry to behave with that kind of power. It all
boils down to an issue of trust: does the government *trust* its private
citizens enough to let them carry a means of deadly force?
I'd like to think so.
:)
>>>Shotguns and single shot bolt action .22s are legal, But there are so
>>>many restrictions and stuff, That the local shooting club place here
>>>had to close down, Just because they couldn't take it all.
>>>
>>Hmmmmm...maybe the noise was too much. I saw a rifle range in Tucson close
>>because they built houses all around it and then bitched about the noise.
>>Id'jits...
>
>No, It was out on an industrial estate, At least 1km from any houses.
>But the restrictions... Guns had to be stored in huge (expensive)
>safes, and thye had to have the triggers removed and kept somewhere
>else, The ammunition was about $5 or £2.50 for 10 .22 rounds et al.
>
Cost factors. Legislate so that its not economically feasible.
This makes it a sport of the Uber Riche though and sets up another haves vs
have-nots situation. And begs this question: are rich people inherently better
able to handle the responsibility of gun ownership???
Hmmmmm...
>>>Not to mention, gunpowder, or blackpowder itself, IIRC, you need an
>>>exposives license to own it. And It's not like I could get an
>>>explosives license ever.
>>>
>>Anyone can buy reloading supplies...simple black powder and primers...all
that
>>stuff.
>>Fireworks are legal here too :)
>
> Wow, I want to make my own matchlock rifle!
>
You can buy kits thru the mail without a permit or any background checks.
>>>It's easier to smash the toy than to make a new one remember.
>>>
>>>+NRA types make me cry.
>>>
>>Now you've lost me...
>>0_o
>
>Well, There were a few "funny" people at the shooting club, I'm sure
>one knows the sort...
>
Um....comedians?
>My dentist went though! he was an amazing shot, he had very steady
>hands. which was rather releif really.
>
Sure...surgeons & dentists need Steady Hands©
>>>>>>>>Get a charcoal filter mask you twit!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Owww, my fingers hurt. At least I had to think really hard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I used one...they work real well.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have bags of charcol for the fishtank filters, Could't I just strap
>>>>>one to my face?
>>>>>
>>>>Ummmmm...no. A good filter mask will have changeable cartridges and fit
real
>>>>closely to your face. they're not comfortable but they'll save your organs
>>from
>>>>damage :)
>>>>Over here they cost about 20.00-50.00$
>>>
>>>Well, I'm leaving on the 25th or sopemthing, I get a leaving present!
>>>
>>You prolly will get a watch...they always give watches...
>
>The last person got a bottle of Cognac and a pot plant.
>
Courvasier? (sp?) I'll have to translate for the non British Speaking© audience
that "pot plant" merely means "potted" plant.
I'd prefer a nice Rolex...
King Snuhw()1f
--
Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.
-Woody Allen
Dave The Elector Palatine Hyena of the Rhine
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>>>>I'm going to get a job and learn to be a real canadien then travel a
>>>>bit in north america.
>>>>Then I come back and slack for a month and then go off to universirty,
>>>>Where I slack for 4 years.
>>>>
>>>Whee! Tell us your travel plans & maybe yu can meet some peeps from the NG :)
>>
>>Umm... I dunno, I think I'm going to drive on a greyhound after I've
>>worked for 3 months in canada. I
>>
>Poor doggy...why not just take a bus?
Counting the cars on the new jersey turnpike?
>>The thing is, I feel this need to justify it all, by visiting all
>>these historical places in order to get educated by the historical
>>expierence.
>>
>Go to the Grand Canyon, Carlsbad Caverns, Mammoth Cave, the Alamo and Custer
>Battlefield National Monument.
I'll go to look for america then.
>>Besides, I don't think many of the peopel on this NG like me anyway.
>>*cries*
>>
>All the more reason to show up at their house :)
I don't know where any of them live, I know what states and even towns
some of them live thanks to Geolocater though.
>>>>>>at
>>>>>>least A WHOLE HOUR!!! of life drwaing every day, doing a job, Saveing
>>>>>>up £3000 and so on.
>>>>>>I hardly think you're one to point the finger...
>>>>>>
>>>>>I have a difficult intro to M$ Office class to attend...
>>>>
>>>>Those are easy money, You just sit around while peopel type, You don't
>>>>even have to do marking at home.
>>>>
>>>Its booring. I'm ahead of the class and could skip half classes & still ace
>it.
>>>Maybe Powerpoint will be fun...Excell is dull tho...
>>
>>There's a hidden flying game hidden in excel 97 IIRC. It's got a
>>monument with the programmers name on it.
>>
>EASTER EGGS!!! I'll look for it...
>>>>I will live there (for a while) in 3 years time so There!
>>>>I hope that Bush doesn't win, Cos if he does, god knows what the
>>>>country will be like in 3 yeasr and whether they'll let me in.
>>>>
>>>Um...damn...I shoulda bookmarked that site for you...Eschalon the bot that
>>>searches email, the web & usenet for keywords probably has flagged several of
>>>our posts thus far. I wouldn't be suprised if I and you are on the FBI no-fly
>>>list. You can't get thru security at the airport like the other peeps can:
>you
>>>get *special* treatment :)
>>
>>Yeah, I remember once in germany, on a school trip, we got stopped and
>>searched at the airport, The only person they took away to search more
>>was a girl who had er... *raises eyebrows* big ones.
>>
>Heh...kom here frauline...hey, the US is torturing your dark skinned fellow
>brits:
>http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/enhancedstory.jsp?maxphotos=5&phototerm=Gua
>ntanamo+Bay&floc=FF-APO-
>PLS&idq=/ff/story/0001/20040312/0729494493.htm&photoid=20040309XLJM103
>
>Was he innocent?
Probably, Even if he wasn't, There is no excuse for torture. I can't
belive that one of them lost an arm thanks to botched medical
operations and stuff.
On an interview for the news, Colon powell said that they were not
mistreated "because we are americans".
>>>>>>>>For example, He says nothing about repealing Bushs Tax cuts, nor does
>>>>>>>>he suggest raiseing taxes on the rich.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Look for the issues yourself. It's all there on the web site :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He says nothing on there about raiseing taxes for the rich, nor a free
>>>>>>at point of use healtchare scheme.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Grep for it yourself :)
>>>>
>>>>NO.
>>>>
>>>Remain uninformed then :)
>>
>>fear no danger, Shirk no labour
>>Lift up rifle, pike and saber
>>To arms! To arms! to arms!
>>
>>In dixie!
>>
>Friggin dixiecrats...thump that damn bible of theirs all the time...
>
>He knows the universe and does not know himself.
> -Jean de la Fontaine
They know the price of everything, But the value of nothing?!
>>>>>>I'm learning more about the world, As oppose to being shoved off to
>>>>>>university straight from school.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Uh huh. Go to Africa if you want to learn hard & fast.
>>>>
>>>>What if I get robbed by people kept in poverty by western
>>>>corperations?
>>>>
>>>You'll learn *real* fast. You might find them warm & friendly tho...
>>
>>But dieing from Aids.
>>
>True...not all but many. you could be a computer consultant with what you know.
>Since in comparason they know nothing.
That would be dishonest though, Since I couldnt' fixa broken computer,
unless it was really simple.
>>>>>>Which of bushes taxs cuts will he be rolling back?
>>>>>>
>>>>>THe ones "for the wealthiest Americans" ???
>>>>>Comprehension problems Dave?
>>>>
>>>>Already, The current tax structure in america places too much of the
>>>>burden on the poorest people.
>>>>
>>>>As a proportion of their income, They pay more than rich people.
>>>>
>>>Heh...theres an old law thats called the Minimum Taxable Amount clause that
>was
>>>originally designed to catch rich peeps who dont claim all their income. But
>>>its hitting the middle class with families hardest and missing the uber rich
>>>entirely.
>>>SO theres been only a 1/3 tax cut for most americans when you factor in the
>>>MTA.
>>
>>My father acutally earns less than me per hour, when taxes et al are
>>factored in.
>>
>0_o Whoa... but the benifits make up for it?
Umm... well, if 60 pence per day for travel allowences coutn as
benefits, yes.
>>>>>>Why will he not be increaseing tax on the rich?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe he will. Check out www.johnkerry.com for details :)
>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, The idea of "the american dream" is fundament
>>>>>>
>>>>>Eh? The middle class is shrinking under Bush, that much we know for sure.
>>>>
>>>>Well, it's polariseing, Either you get very very rich, or you become
>>>>poor. That's bush.
>>>>
>>>Sure, a two tiered economy. Haves & have nots.
>>>Leads to class warfare & strife :(
>>
>>There's going to be a drama Documentry on the BBC soon set in a
>>fictional future britian, Where rich people all live in gated
>>communitoies and poor people live in great urban slums.
>>
>>Of course, They could always go to brazil to see it for real.
>>
>Or America :) I saw it happen in Tucson. Cities here become segragated like
>this: the rich live in gated communities in the suburbs and the foothills and
>the poor live in the urban center.
>This is your future America....*guaranteed* under Bush.
That's happening here, I like to walk around "my" town and I cannot
resist pokeing around on the weekends at the new houseing
developments, But they are all huge mansions, and there's already a
large wall with an automatic gate going up.
>>>>>>>invest in education and healthcare. He isn’t afraid to crack down on
>>>>>>>corporations that are hiding their money in Bermuda to avoid paying their
>>>>>fair
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which corperations are these? can he not give any examples?
>>>>>>
>>>>>The ones hiding in Bermuda would be my guess.
>>>>>Really Dave...c'mon!
>>>>
>>>>What about ones hideing in states that have no corperation tax?
>>>>
>>>Those too.
>>
>>North Dakota has no corp tax IIRC.
>>
>ND lacks a lot of things...a tolerable climate being one of them.
It seems so odd that people in america can just up and move to another
part of the country, that is so different that it might as well be
another country, Someone moveing from new york to San Francisco would
be like a european moveing from London to Morroco or something like
that.
>>>>>>Guess what? in campaign donations from 1997 through 2002, Mintz, Levin
>>>>>>& Cohn gave. $54,700 to kerry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Wow. Oh well, I'm still votin fer Kerry :)
>>>>
>>>>Words.
>>>>Eat.
>>>>
>>>>Eat words. Eat.
>>>>
>>>He insulted the GOP yesterday calling them "crooks". I'd say he's definitly
>the
>>>guy I want :)
>>
>>Did he call em' "War criminals"?
>>
>Nope...just said they were a bunch of crooks :)
Pity, I supposed since he voted for the war, He'd be incrimniateing
himself anyway.
>>>>>>You're going to die one day.
>>>>>>Why do you bother to get out of bed knowing that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Because I want to have a bit of fun before I go :)
>>>>
>>>>When I die, Will I say: "I wish I had read more books"?
>>>>
>>>Maybe...I'll probably be saying "I wish I'd gotten laid more..."
>>>:(
>>
>>I can be anything I want to be and do anything I want to, because I'm
>>young and have my whole life ahead of me!!!!
>>
>Yep.
Er... No.
>>hough, it does seem a little odd how the days pass by. There are so
>>many days, but they all pass so quickly. And another day is gone...
>>
>It speeds up as you get older. Heres a theory as to why: when we're cold we
>percieve time as passing more quickly, when we're hot it seems to pass more
>slowly. As we age our mean body temp drops and so we percieve time to pass more
>quickly.
>FYI
>Actual Theory©
Woh, I thought it was just because old people were dumb.
>>>>>Or you could tell me & the rest of us why you wish to be a spoiler in this
>>>>>election.YOU HAVE THE POWER TO SWAY THE CRITICAL FURRY VOTE!!!111!!!!!
>>>>>:)
>>>>
>>>>I dunno.
>>>>
>>>You're the anti-fur.
>>
>>I'm not anti-fur, Furry is my Smut fix!
>>And, there's even one or two artists produceing cubist furry art.
>>Neato!
>>
>Who!? I demand to know! Real art being furry themed!??! Well...there is Bob
>Drake...
some of it impresses me. I hate oils though, Acrylics yes.
>>>>>I'm voting for Kerry :)
>>>>>YOu can just piss & moan about it.
>>>>
>>>><insert lamer here>
>>>>
>>>BLAM
>>>
>>>you hace been blam'd.
>>
>>YOU R NO JOB WELFARE MAN!
>>
>IR BABOON!
>:)
It must be nice not haveing to get up a 6.30 and then walking to work
like a zombie.
>>>>>>That's fecking stupid, Since you need so much land to grow all that
>>>>>>corn for ethanol that given americans current consumption, you'd need
>>>>>>to grow corn over the entire of north america just to fuel it all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Uh...you're way out of your league here Dave. American farmers have been
>paid
>>>>>to *not* grow crops like corn for years. We have a grain *surplus*, not a
>>>>>defecit. Thats the Bush economy you're thinking of :)
>>>>
>>>>That's because the grain is not being used to fuel cars. You will have
>>>>to get rid of much of the cars and use much less electricity if that
>>>>is to be a viable option.
>>>>
>>>Why?
>>
>>Because america uses too much energy. People leave computers on 25
>>hours a day and dont turn of the office lights and stuff!
>>
>I leave this laptop on 24/7 because I dont want to do a stone cold boot
>everyday and wear the bugger out.
>Theres energy star© features you can enable on most PCs. THe office lights
>should go *off* I agree.
I turn my desktop off every day, it's still going fine after about 2
years. The computer downstairs gos on fine after 5 years.
>>>>>>Not to mention, it still contributes to global warming.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Nope, it takes CO2 *out* of the system. Go here: www.greasel.com for some
>>>ideas
>>>>>on bio-diesel :)
>>>>
>>>Heh eh heh heh eh...Neil Young announced that he was having all his tour
>busses
>>>converted to bio-diesel because it helps reduce the greenhouse problem.
>>>NEIL YOUNG R00lS!!!!!
>>
>>My mother likes him,...
>>
>He sang about the Kent State massacre...
>"four dead in Ohio..."
He sort of heavy metal I think.
>>>>>>Still it''s funny how that never stoped Bush stealing the election eh?
>>>>>
>>>>>Diebold is very clever you see...no paper trail for ballots :)
>>>>>
>>>>>>Or Slavery.
>>>>>
>>>>>England *never* had slaves?
>>>>
>>>>Lots of them. Also, a lot of the "citizens" of the british empire were
>>>>slaves in all but name.
>>>>
>>>Child labor helped make England great, eh?
>>
>>Most of them only live to be about 25!!!
>>that's even worse than medevil times!
>>
>Black Lung was a 'orrible way to die...
>But you'd be suprised how much coal a 6 yr old can dig in a 16 hour day...
I can clean two rooms in 3 hours!
>>>>The german ideology can be sumed up as:
>>>>
>>>>Hagel sucks.
>>>>The Young hegelians are all big poopy heads.
>>>>
>>>>The matriel determines history. So for example, the crusades were not
>>>>primarly dirven by relegion, but rather because people were greedy for
>>>>arab land.
>>>>
>>>Its usually land or some resource. Iraq would be ignored if not for the oil
>:)
>>>
>>>>There was moore, But rats got at it and chewed it (seriously)
>>>>
>>>Sir Thomas? I thot he was beheaded for keeping his mouth shut?
>>
>>Well, The book got put in an attic for years, because people DID NOT
>>RECOGNIZE IT FOR THE MASTERPIECE IT WAS.
>>
>It was ahead of its time. Many things are...equal rights...
Ah yes, as far back as the 1660's people were suggesting that kind of
thing.
Intereinstly enough, When the spainish and portuguese conqured the new
world, Most people were split into too camps, Either the natives were
horrible heathen savages who should be enslaved to teach them the
error of their ways, Or else they were pure and innocent noble savages
who should be educated by er... enslaveing them.
I think about two people maybe said that they were people "just like
us".
>>>>>>Sure, You'll still get an assualt on freedom and liberty and the
>>>>>>enviroment whoever wins of the two.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I *know* what I'm getting with Bush...(2.8 million jobs lost, assault on
>the
>>>>>enviroment) I *hope* things will be much better with John Kerry.
>>>>>Thats my strategy.
>>>>
>>>>Well ok then, I can't fualt Hope. I hope that things will get better
>>>>all the time.
>>>>
>>>I used to think it was what keeps me going...now I know that its actually
>food
>>>& water.
>>
>>and Cheap alchol? I could buy 500ml of 37.5% vodka for only $7 approx.
>>
>I gave up consuming large amounts in the 90's...
>you could get an early start on quitting now :)
Well, IIRC the alchold age in canada is 19!! so I'll be dprived there
for two months.
>>>>>I'm still running as King of Hoemstead. I need a minister of foreign
>>>policy...
>>>>>hmmm.
>>>>
>>>>I'll do whatever you tell me to without an independent thought of my
>>>>own! Pick me! pick me!
>>>>
>>><picks you> Ok...um...flame that Pyesatz guy...he's irritating :)
>>>Invade his territory and pillage & stuff...then claim we had a god given
>right
>>>to that land as it was "holy" to us so annex it as well.
>>
>>I made some pretty CUTTING remarks about his furvey methinks.
>>But he says he has some form of autism. I fear what will happen if
>>autistic people are allowed to reproduce.
>>
>You might want to get a copy of this months Atlantic Monthly then...it has a
>excellent article on the ethics of cloning and eugenics.
We don't get that here, we have The New scientist and "medevil
history". it had an interesting article about Uroscopy.
>>>>>Have you learned the Canadian anthem yet?
>>>>
>>>>Umm... "mooses, gooses and big trees, La La LA, Lee le le le"
>>>>
>>>>I think.
>>>>
>>>Oh Canada....something something something...
>>>kinda like that.
>>
>>The RMPS spy on people and invade their privacy and crossdress, So I
>>heard.
>>
>The crossdressing I can handle...spying is just rude however. I was under the
>impresssion that Canada has better privacy laws than the US does since the
>power grab that Ashcroft did post 9/11.
Nah, They've got a new PM who wants to make canada more like american
and mend frences with bush. He also wants to make their military
bigger and do more oversreas intervention.
>>>Fun text cut & pasted from various web pages:
>>>
>>>"Because this populism, ever present on the radio and on Fox News , is
>obsessed
>>>with the symbolism of the consumer culture. Instead of rebuking the powerful
>>>directly, it vituperates against the snobbish and delicate things that the
>>>powerful are believed to enjoy: special kinds of coffee, high-end
>restaurants,
>>>Ivy League educations, vacations in Europe, and always, always, imported
>cars.
>>>The beauty of it is that the architects of this Manichean claptrap knew from
>>>the get-go that millions of the weaker-minded would buy into it, like they
>buy
>>>into everything else they see or hear on TV. They've already been dumbed down
>>>and Pavlovian- trained as indiscriminate consumers by the ad-hocracy and
>>>corporatocracy."
>>>
>>>Kewl huh?
>>
>>Wow, What amazing Jargon!!!!
>>
>>The manicheans were people who said that jesus was both at once a
>>normal and man, but also the son of god at the same time, Nobody liked
>>them ever.
>>
>>They got packed off to china by the byzantines IIRC. I think thye
>>still have some followers there.
>>
>You really ought to look into teaching history at university.
>Really...
IIRC, one does some teaching in the 4th year, Also, If I do a
postgraduate degree, I think you do some teaching them.
Prboe, is, I don't know I can afford a Postgraduate degree, but I so
want to have a P.H.D, so that people wil call me "Dr. David"
>>>>They don't even have to call elections every 4 years, They could in
>>>>theory stay as long as they want twithout calling an election.
>>>>
>>>>Probably though, in 18 months time the next one. Blair out!
>>>>
>>>He's been slapped by that lady about bugging Hans Blix's office....and
>various
>>>other scandals...I wont miss the bugger.
>>
>>I won't be able to moan about him though :o(
>>However, he will probably either get in, or else the conservatives
>>will, and they are worse then he, so then I will have even more to
>>moan about!
>>
>The papers there are ripping him a new arsehole on the whole Iraq thing:
>http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1164326,00.html
The guardian still supports him ultimatel,y It is the voice of the
bourgous.
>>>>They were ordered to, they were probably soldiers from the saudis.
>>>>Maybe the saudis felt they had no choice at all, but they had to
>>>>strike at the great satan.
>>>>
>>>I hate those saudi hypocrites...they take our oil dollars and then bitch
>about
>>>it. Asshats the lot of em...
>>>
>>>>Thiers not to reason why, Thiers but to do or die.
>>>>
>>>Allah will beat them up and take their 72 rasins :)
>>
>>Jump! Jump! off the wall! Allah will receive you all!!
>>
>>That's what a heavy metal band sung. It upset some peopke.
>>
>They sound kewl. Most groups of people need a reality check from time to time.
>And fundamentalists of *all* stripes need it the most :)
Grave Digger, On "knights of the cross", "Fanatic Assasains", Refers
to the HAssishim, The Muslim blokes who smoked pot before fighting to
make them into ASSASAINS!!!
It's a trippy track with all thise strange whispering voices and
arabic bag pipes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, There have been reports that people who are detained by the
>>>>>>british in iraq, have been dieing of heart attacks, But when the
>>>>>>faimilys come to collect the bodies, they find bruises, broken limbs
>>>>>>and stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hmm, I wonder, Could british soldiers be beating iraquis to
>>>>>>death?!?!?!
>>>>>>
>>>>>Well they were sending the so called detainees to places like Syria and
>>>Israel
>>>>>to get beat up. maybe they're doing it directly now.
>>>>
>>>>Cutting out the middleman to make saveings!
>>>>
>>>Let the experts handle it. You know outsourcing is a big issue nowadays...
>>
>>You can just lock people in a room which is all white, Feed them white
>>rice on white plates and make them wear white clothes, Just like they
>>do in iran...
>>
>Sounds like science fiction...is there a point to it?
>Some sort of sensory deprivation?
>Sleep deprivation is the most effective "tool" in brainwashing IIRC.
Yes, Sensory deprivation, They shine bright white light in 24 hours a
day, So bright that it's apparantly like you're in an endless white
space.
>>>>>>>>I prefer Negotations, Talking, Rather than just saying "do this".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Then you condemn people who fly planes into buildings?
>>>>>>>Hmmmmm...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That was the Saudis who probably arranged that, They are relegious
>>>>>>crackpots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Relegious crackpots are excluded. That includes falwell and the like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Why exclude those who have the most effect?
>>>>>You cant have it both ways :)
>>>>
>>>>Because I abominate relegion.
>>>>
>>>I just abhore those who kill and claim that they're doing "gods work".
>>>Well if thats gods work let him do it.
>>
>>I think he is more than eager too, look at all those dead children.
>>
>But did "god" actually do it or was it people pretending to do "gods work"?
>I think people should quit trying to play god.
>I mean...if god exists and is all powerful, he would have the resources to do
>any necessary thing himself-directly.
Why does he need worship if he is all powerful at all?
>>>>There was ome micheal moore book, Bush and me or something.
>>>>
>>>Lesse...theres "Dude, wheres my country?"
>>>"Stupid White Men"
>>>"Bowling for Columbine"
>>>
>>>>I wonder whats happen to moore afther his candidate didn't make it.
>>>>
>>>He said that if he was voting by his pocketbook he'd have to support Bush
>>>because all those tax cuts have benefitted rich guys...and now hes a rich
>guy.
>>>But he prolly supports Kerry.
>>
>>Well, IT COULD BE WORSE.
>>
>How so?
Well,
>>>>>>>English invade America.
>>>>>>>Dutch invade South Africa.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is modern times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I condemn the policies of Israel as much as anyone who dislikes their heavy
>>>>>handed approach to securing a homeland. But you have to admit that they
>*are*
>>>>>being attacked constantly. Maybe if both sides just took a few weeks
>>>>>off...hmmm...
>>>>
>>>>Only because of their polocies in the first place!!
>>>>
>>>Jerusalem *is* really their city though...you have to admit...the wailing
>wall
>>>and all that.
>>
>>It's part of the worlds CULTURAL HERITIGE. It belongs to us ALL.
>>
>One question: do the jews deserve a homeland?
does anyone deserve a homeland just because of their relegion?
No.
The entire claim of the jewish relegion to that land is based upon a
"holy book".
>>>>>>>What do you want me to do about it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Get a paper knife and carve your way into history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>0_o Tell yu what...I'll pray to a god I dont believe in to smite the
>horrible
>>>>>Isrealis, kay?
>>>>>Or I'll go watch teevee...whatever...
>>>>
>>>>we bought a 25 inch sony T.V secondhand for only £120 and a DVD player
>>>>and obscure french films to watch.
>>>>
>>>With Subtitles!?!?!? All hail film noir.
>>>And cinema verite`.
>>
>>One of them is artistic that there is no dialogue whatsoever. And
>>nothing much happens, Except soem french people rob a bank.
>>
>How very artistic! I'd like to see the Lion King 2.5 on dvd...its full of
>Timon's oddly jewish sounding relatives. I wonder why cartoons so often use
>stereotypes with respect to the dialog and accents for the characters.
>Must be a lazy writers crutch :)
And a way of makeing the charecters "relate" to us more, Since you're
putting in something that we recognize as being charectersitly human.
>>>>>>Americans prisons are privatised, This creates a powerful inpetus to
>>>>>>carry on locking people up, since people profit from it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I know...it should scare the living shit out of any thinking person in this
>>>>>country. But most Moron Americans (tm) don't seem to be aware of these
>>>things.
>>>>>States activly *court* those industries to be built in their state because
>it
>>>>>"creates good jobs"! Fuck! Now we sell the concept of locking people up as
>>>>>being *good* for the economy!?!?!?!?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Seriously, There was a guy quoted in yesterdays paper as saying how it
>>>>would be good for the local economy to have a prison built here.
>>>>
>>>Well...it does employ people...but when one puts economics abouve things like
>>>justice and liberty....something is gone very wrong.
>>
>>Heh, Again, In the newspapers here, There's details of a scheme
>>whereby Private corperations will "lend" some of their executives to
>>british prisons in order to help them be more profitable!?!!?
>>
>I wonder if historians will look back on the 20th century as some kind of
>second Dark Age?
>:(
Maybe we will descend into a neo-fuedal dark age where people do
"indentured" work for corperations. they give you a roof and food and
in terutn, you work for them forever.
Yeah, with house prices what they are...
>>>>>>FWIW, Britian is inviteing american companies to come over here and
>>>>>>build privatised prisons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>You're heading down the same slippery slope. My heartfelt condolences :(
>>>>>
>>>>>>I think we're probably going to end up the 52nd state or something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Heh...Well then I want some of that freebie healthcare.
>>>>
>>>>Umm... It's not free anymore. I have to pay £25 just to be allowed
>>>>into the dentists surgery place.
>>>>
>>>Thats still cheap. I have to pay about 250$ per filling.
>>>Surgery would be a lot more...
>>>Did you have your jaw wired shut then?
>>
>>I have no fillings!
>>the NHS paid for my Orthodontic treatment, to correct my teeth because
>>I was under 14 when I started it.
>>In total it cost, about £2500.
>>
>Now thats a good system...
>
>>I had to pay extra for Gas though, £10 for sleepy gas. It was trippy
>>though. eveything looked like I was looking through a fish eye lens.
>>
>It permanently warped your mind it seems :(
>Sounds like how we used to sell carpet cleaning. Its 25$ per room. pretreating
>the carpet with soap (a necessary ingriedient to a thourough job) is however an
>additional 12.00$ :)
How so?
>>>>>Sure...but sattelites can track subs so it wouldn't be all that much of a
>>>>>suprise, unless it was on a country w/ no way to get that data fro teh
>>>>>sattelites...
>>>>>I bet Camstone could tell us stuff about this...but he's very
>>>sensitive...can't
>>>>>take a joke etc...
>>>>
>>>>He refused to help me get infomation on ameircas arms exports!
>>>>
>>>He's so patriotic! Remember how he was posting from work? Now *thats*
>>>dedication.
>>>I Love Camstone :)
>>
>>I will paint my soul red, white and blue!
>>
>You should go visit him and that Cougar fella :)
>Smyrgol is also on the east coast. I bet in Rl they'd be very pleasant actually
>and not beat you about the head with plushies ;)
I don't want to.
>>>>>>all the other parties called on him to resign for saying that, and the
>>>>>>conservatives refused to suport his statements.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That makes me proud a bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>If you ever get over here I'll be sure to take you shooting and you can get
>>>>>over that fear of guns you have ;)
>>>>
>>>>Actually, I think I've been in denial over guns, I like shooting guns
>>>>and I've always wanted to have a go with a black powder weapon esp.
>>>>Even though I understand, That the flash of the powder in the "pan",
>>>>often makes people flinch (unless it's precussion cap presumably), and
>>>>they are very dirty and need lots of cleaning, And produce lots of
>>>>recoil.
>>>>
>>>They kick like a gawdamn missouri mule.
>>
>>You need good teeth also, to bite the top off the "cartride", that's
>>why the british army only took peope with good teeth.
>>
>Ummmm...most muzzle loaders IIRC have no cartrige. Just powder, wadding, ball,
>and more wadding. Flint-locks...you know...
The powder came in a white packet which was called the "cartridge".
A lot of flint locks were converted to precussion locks, Then
converted back to flint locks when dealiers realise that they could
makes loads of money by selling "genuine flint locks" to gullbiel
people.
>>>>The problem is, any handgun, no matter what calibre or mechanism it
>>>>uses is illegal.
>>>>
>>>Hmmmm...unless the admin does something about it, assault weapons will be
>legal
>>>to own again after September. Thats when the ban runs out in teh US.
>>
>>Well, I don't reall understand why someone needs a machinegun, Unless
>>they live in texas.
>>
>No one really needs guns if you look at it from a standpoint of "need".
>Exceptions being Police and sport hunters. But in a society that is free enough
>to allow its citizenry to own guns, it indicates a certain trust and attitude
>towards the ability of said citizenry to behave with that kind of power. It all
>boils down to an issue of trust: does the government *trust* its private
>citizens enough to let them carry a means of deadly force?
>I'd like to think so.
>:)
Yeah, but machine guns are machine guns, A rifle is a rifle.
>>>>Shotguns and single shot bolt action .22s are legal, But there are so
>>>>many restrictions and stuff, That the local shooting club place here
>>>>had to close down, Just because they couldn't take it all.
>>>>
>>>Hmmmmm...maybe the noise was too much. I saw a rifle range in Tucson close
>>>because they built houses all around it and then bitched about the noise.
>>>Id'jits...
>>
>>No, It was out on an industrial estate, At least 1km from any houses.
>>But the restrictions... Guns had to be stored in huge (expensive)
>>safes, and thye had to have the triggers removed and kept somewhere
>>else, The ammunition was about $5 or £2.50 for 10 .22 rounds et al.
>>
>Cost factors. Legislate so that its not economically feasible.
>This makes it a sport of the Uber Riche though and sets up another haves vs
>have-nots situation. And begs this question: are rich people inherently better
>able to handle the responsibility of gun ownership???
>Hmmmmm...
Well, They can afford people to carry them for them.
>>>>Not to mention, gunpowder, or blackpowder itself, IIRC, you need an
>>>>exposives license to own it. And It's not like I could get an
>>>>explosives license ever.
>>>>
>>>Anyone can buy reloading supplies...simple black powder and primers...all
>that
>>>stuff.
>>>Fireworks are legal here too :)
>>
>> Wow, I want to make my own matchlock rifle!
>>
>You can buy kits thru the mail without a permit or any background checks.
to make a real matchlock?¬? K4wl. I wonder If could get one back
through customs.
>>>>It's easier to smash the toy than to make a new one remember.
>>>>
>>>>+NRA types make me cry.
>>>>
>>>Now you've lost me...
>>>0_o
>>
>>Well, There were a few "funny" people at the shooting club, I'm sure
>>one knows the sort...
>>
>Um....comedians?
The sort who buy lots and lots of knives and swords and guns.
>>>>>>>>>Get a charcoal filter mask you twit!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Owww, my fingers hurt. At least I had to think really hard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I used one...they work real well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have bags of charcol for the fishtank filters, Could't I just strap
>>>>>>one to my face?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Ummmmm...no. A good filter mask will have changeable cartridges and fit
>real
>>>>>closely to your face. they're not comfortable but they'll save your organs
>>>from
>>>>>damage :)
>>>>>Over here they cost about 20.00-50.00$
>>>>
>>>>Well, I'm leaving on the 25th or sopemthing, I get a leaving present!
>>>>
>>>You prolly will get a watch...they always give watches...
>>
>>The last person got a bottle of Cognac and a pot plant.
>>
>Courvasier? (sp?) I'll have to translate for the non British Speaking© audience
>that "pot plant" merely means "potted" plant.
>I'd prefer a nice Rolex...
Yes! Courvasier! how did you guess?
Claviarm
said:
>§ńühwřŁf <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>You should go visit him and that Cougar fella :)
>>Smyrgol is also on the east coast. I bet in Rl they'd be very pleasant actually
>>and not beat you about the head with plushies ;)
>
>I don't want to.
I was introduced to Kamau and Smrgol at FC. They did not attempt to
beat me with plushies, so you should perhaps not worry. Also, I think
it is possible they did not know who I was.
Also I met cat and Warren and Avenging Lioness and they are all neato.
--
Claviarm
ICQ 16521227
Dave The Elector Palatine Hyena of the Rhine
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>I was introduced to Kamau and Smrgol at FC. They did not attempt to
>beat me with plushies, so you should perhaps not worry. Also, I think
>it is possible they did not know who I was.
>
>Also I met cat and Warren and Avenging Lioness and they are all neato.
Really? Well, I may have to consider it.
§ńühwřŁf
<40559550...@news.individual.net>:
>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>>>>I'm going to get a job and learn to be a real canadien then travel a
>>>>>bit in north america.
>>>>>Then I come back and slack for a month and then go off to universirty,
>>>>>Where I slack for 4 years.
>>>>>
>>>>Whee! Tell us your travel plans & maybe yu can meet some peeps from the NG
:)
>>>
>>>Umm... I dunno, I think I'm going to drive on a greyhound after I've
>>>worked for 3 months in canada. I
>>>
>>Poor doggy...why not just take a bus?
>
>Counting the cars on the new jersey turnpike?
>
I dont know that song...
>>>The thing is, I feel this need to justify it all, by visiting all
>>>these historical places in order to get educated by the historical
>>>expierence.
>>>
>>Go to the Grand Canyon, Carlsbad Caverns, Mammoth Cave, the Alamo and Custer
>>Battlefield National Monument.
>
>I'll go to look for america then.
>
Listening to Simon & Garfield?
>>>Besides, I don't think many of the peopel on this NG like me anyway.
>>>*cries*
>>>
>>All the more reason to show up at their house :)
>
>I don't know where any of them live, I know what states and even towns
>some of them live thanks to Geolocater though.
>
When you actually get ready to go just ask on th NG and see who volunteers to
let you come over :) I'd think that some would be curious enough to want to
meet you.
>>>Yeah, I remember once in germany, on a school trip, we got stopped and
>>>searched at the airport, The only person they took away to search more
>>>was a girl who had er... *raises eyebrows* big ones.
>>>
>>Heh...kom here frauline...hey, the US is torturing your dark skinned fellow
>>brits:
>>http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/enhancedstory.jsp?maxphotos=5&phototerm=G
ua
>>ntanamo+Bay&floc=FF-APO-
>>PLS&idq=/ff/story/0001/20040312/0729494493.htm&photoid=20040309XLJM103
>>
>>Was he innocent?
>
>Probably, Even if he wasn't, There is no excuse for torture. I can't
>belive that one of them lost an arm thanks to botched medical
>operations and stuff.
>
Oops! Yeap...no human rights violations here....
>On an interview for the news, Colon powell said that they were not
>mistreated "because we are americans".
>
ROTFLAMO! Being American now means that one is incapable of mistreating others.
I guess he dosen't read any american newspapers.
>>>
>>>fear no danger, Shirk no labour
>>>Lift up rifle, pike and saber
>>>To arms! To arms! to arms!
>>>
>>>In dixie!
>>>
>>Friggin dixiecrats...thump that damn bible of theirs all the time...
>>
>>He knows the universe and does not know himself.
>> -Jean de la Fontaine
>
>They know the price of everything, But the value of nothing?!
>
Virtue has never been as respectable as money.
-Mark twain
>>>>>>>I'm learning more about the world, As oppose to being shoved off to
>>>>>>>university straight from school.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Uh huh. Go to Africa if you want to learn hard & fast.
>>>>>
>>>>>What if I get robbed by people kept in poverty by western
>>>>>corperations?
>>>>>
>>>>You'll learn *real* fast. You might find them warm & friendly tho...
>>>
>>>But dieing from Aids.
>>>
>>True...not all but many. you could be a computer consultant with what you
know.
>>Since in comparason they know nothing.
>
>That would be dishonest though, Since I couldnt' fixa broken computer,
>unless it was really simple.
>
Ok...lets test your knowledge.
Do you know how to boot from a floppy?
Do you know how to set up an email account?
" " " set up a firewall?
Check the system for IRQ conflicts?
I bet you do :)
>>>>>>>Which of bushes taxs cuts will he be rolling back?
>>>>Heh...theres an old law thats called the Minimum Taxable Amount clause that
>>was
>>>>originally designed to catch rich peeps who dont claim all their income.
But
>>>>its hitting the middle class with families hardest and missing the uber
rich
>>>>entirely.
>>>>SO theres been only a 1/3 tax cut for most americans when you factor in the
>>>>MTA.
>>>
>>>My father acutally earns less than me per hour, when taxes et al are
>>>factored in.
>>>
>>0_o Whoa... but the benifits make up for it?
>
>Umm... well, if 60 pence per day for travel allowences coutn as
>benefits, yes.
>
I meant like some kind of health & dental plan...a retirement account...
>>>There's going to be a drama Documentry on the BBC soon set in a
>>>fictional future britian, Where rich people all live in gated
>>>communitoies and poor people live in great urban slums.
>>>
>>>Of course, They could always go to brazil to see it for real.
>>>
>>Or America :) I saw it happen in Tucson. Cities here become segragated like
>>this: the rich live in gated communities in the suburbs and the foothills and
>>the poor live in the urban center.
>>This is your future America....*guaranteed* under Bush.
>
>That's happening here, I like to walk around "my" town and I cannot
>resist pokeing around on the weekends at the new houseing
>developments, But they are all huge mansions, and there's already a
>large wall with an automatic gate going up.
>
Where are the rich people coming from to populate such housing?
>>>
>>>North Dakota has no corp tax IIRC.
>>>
>>ND lacks a lot of things...a tolerable climate being one of them.
>
>It seems so odd that people in america can just up and move to another
>part of the country, that is so different that it might as well be
>another country, Someone moveing from new york to San Francisco would
>be like a european moveing from London to Morroco or something like
>that.
>
Its a big country but its getting harder to find places where you can escape
from having to look at signs of human habitation. Parts of the west are still
sparsely populated...thankfully :)
>>>>>>>Guess what? in campaign donations from 1997 through 2002, Mintz, Levin
>>>>>>>& Cohn gave. $54,700 to kerry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wow. Oh well, I'm still votin fer Kerry :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Words.
>>>>>Eat.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eat words. Eat.
>>>>>
>>>>He insulted the GOP yesterday calling them "crooks". I'd say he's definitly
>>the
>>>>guy I want :)
>>>
>>>Did he call em' "War criminals"?
>>>
>>Nope...just said they were a bunch of crooks :)
>
>Pity, I supposed since he voted for the war, He'd be incrimniateing
>himself anyway.
>
Mmmm hmmm :)
>>>>>>>You're going to die one day.
>>>>>>>Why do you bother to get out of bed knowing that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Because I want to have a bit of fun before I go :)
>>>>>
>>>>>When I die, Will I say: "I wish I had read more books"?
>>>>>
>>>>Maybe...I'll probably be saying "I wish I'd gotten laid more..."
>>>>:(
>>>
>>>I can be anything I want to be and do anything I want to, because I'm
>>>young and have my whole life ahead of me!!!!
>>>
>>Yep.
>
>Er... No.
>
Why not? You're really a 45 yr old houswife in georgia who weighs 250 lbs???
>>>hough, it does seem a little odd how the days pass by. There are so
>>>many days, but they all pass so quickly. And another day is gone...
>>>
>>It speeds up as you get older. Heres a theory as to why: when we're cold we
>>percieve time as passing more quickly, when we're hot it seems to pass more
>>slowly. As we age our mean body temp drops and so we percieve time to pass
more
>>quickly.
>>FYI
>>Actual Theory©
>
>Woh, I thought it was just because old people were dumb.
>
Its not that. Otherwise why would smart old people claim its a real perception?
Next time you run a fever think about how slowly time passes.
:)
>>>>You're the anti-fur.
>>>
>>>I'm not anti-fur, Furry is my Smut fix!
>>>And, there's even one or two artists produceing cubist furry art.
>>>Neato!
>>>
>>Who!? I demand to know! Real art being furry themed!??! Well...there is Bob
>>Drake...
>
>http://thomas-blue.com/
>
>some of it impresses me. I hate oils though, Acrylics yes.
>
Its not awe inspireing. Its good...but nothing really original. Since all
cubist art would be compared to Georges Bracque and Pablo Picasso anyway...so
its derivative in that sense.
<shrugs>
>>>>>>I'm voting for Kerry :)
>>>>>>YOu can just piss & moan about it.
>>>>>
>>>>><insert lamer here>
>>>>>
>>>>BLAM
>>>>
>>>>you hace been blam'd.
>>>
>>>YOU R NO JOB WELFARE MAN!
>>>
>>IR BABOON!
>>:)
>
>It must be nice not haveing to get up a 6.30 and then walking to work
>like a zombie.
>
When I was working I always got up on time and being a morning person was
usually more animated than the rest of the sloths I worked with :)
>>>>>
>>>>>That's because the grain is not being used to fuel cars. You will have
>>>>>to get rid of much of the cars and use much less electricity if that
>>>>>is to be a viable option.
>>>>>
>>>>Why?
>>>
>>>Because america uses too much energy. People leave computers on 25
>>>hours a day and dont turn of the office lights and stuff!
>>>
>>I leave this laptop on 24/7 because I dont want to do a stone cold boot
>>everyday and wear the bugger out.
>>Theres energy star© features you can enable on most PCs. THe office lights
>>should go *off* I agree.
>
>I turn my desktop off every day, it's still going fine after about 2
>years. The computer downstairs gos on fine after 5 years.
>
The jury is still out on the leave em on or not issue...
Mine stays on :)
Uses about as much juice as a 15 watt light.
>>>>Heh eh heh heh eh...Neil Young announced that he was having all his tour
>>busses
>>>>converted to bio-diesel because it helps reduce the greenhouse problem.
>>>>NEIL YOUNG R00lS!!!!!
>>>
>>>My mother likes him,...
>>>
>>He sang about the Kent State massacre...
>>"four dead in Ohio..."
>
>He sort of heavy metal I think.
>
Sort of all over the rock spectrum. He was in Crosby Stills Nash &
Young...remember? Thats more like classic & folk rock...but he's done hard rock
stuff as well as country influenced and folksy stuff.
Rockin in the Free World is good :)
>>>>>>England *never* had slaves?
>>>>>
>>>>>Lots of them. Also, a lot of the "citizens" of the british empire were
>>>>>slaves in all but name.
>>>>>
>>>>Child labor helped make England great, eh?
>>>
>>>Most of them only live to be about 25!!!
>>>that's even worse than medevil times!
>>>
>>Black Lung was a 'orrible way to die...
>>But you'd be suprised how much coal a 6 yr old can dig in a 16 hour day...
>
>I can clean two rooms in 3 hours!
>
How big a room? I used to clean five houses a day as a carpet
cleaner...averaging about 3 rooms per house.
>>>>>The german ideology can be sumed up as:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hagel sucks.
>>>>>The Young hegelians are all big poopy heads.
>>>>>
>>>>>The matriel determines history. So for example, the crusades were not
>>>>>primarly dirven by relegion, but rather because people were greedy for
>>>>>arab land.
>>>>>
>>>>Its usually land or some resource. Iraq would be ignored if not for the oil
>>:)
>>>>
>>>>>There was moore, But rats got at it and chewed it (seriously)
>>>>>
>>>>Sir Thomas? I thot he was beheaded for keeping his mouth shut?
>>>
>>>Well, The book got put in an attic for years, because people DID NOT
>>>RECOGNIZE IT FOR THE MASTERPIECE IT WAS.
>>>
>>It was ahead of its time. Many things are...equal rights...
>
>Ah yes, as far back as the 1660's people were suggesting that kind of
>thing.
>
Read Utopia...
>Intereinstly enough, When the spainish and portuguese conqured the new
>world, Most people were split into too camps, Either the natives were
>horrible heathen savages who should be enslaved to teach them the
>error of their ways, Or else they were pure and innocent noble savages
>who should be educated by er... enslaveing them.
>
Make them like us!!!! Only without any rights...
>I think about two people maybe said that they were people "just like
>us".
>
They were obviously ignored...
>>>>>Well ok then, I can't fualt Hope. I hope that things will get better
>>>>>all the time.
>>>>>
>>>>I used to think it was what keeps me going...now I know that its actually
>>food
>>>>& water.
>>>
>>>and Cheap alchol? I could buy 500ml of 37.5% vodka for only $7 approx.
>>>
>>I gave up consuming large amounts in the 90's...
>>you could get an early start on quitting now :)
>
>Well, IIRC the alchold age in canada is 19!! so I'll be dprived there
>for two months.
>
Like you've been deprived of it where you are now?
;)
>>>>>>I'm still running as King of Hoemstead. I need a minister of foreign
>>>>policy...
>>>>>>hmmm.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'll do whatever you tell me to without an independent thought of my
>>>>>own! Pick me! pick me!
>>>>>
>>>><picks you> Ok...um...flame that Pyesatz guy...he's irritating :)
>>>>Invade his territory and pillage & stuff...then claim we had a god given
>>right
>>>>to that land as it was "holy" to us so annex it as well.
>>>
>>>I made some pretty CUTTING remarks about his furvey methinks.
>>>But he says he has some form of autism. I fear what will happen if
>>>autistic people are allowed to reproduce.
>>>
>>You might want to get a copy of this months Atlantic Monthly then...it has a
>>excellent article on the ethics of cloning and eugenics.
>
>We don't get that here, we have The New scientist and "medevil
>history". it had an interesting article about Uroscopy.
>
Was it called, " A pictorial guide to the pee-hole"?
>>>>>>Have you learned the Canadian anthem yet?
>>>>>
>>>>>Umm... "mooses, gooses and big trees, La La LA, Lee le le le"
>>>>>
>>>>>I think.
>>>>>
>>>>Oh Canada....something something something...
>>>>kinda like that.
>>>
>>>The RMPS spy on people and invade their privacy and crossdress, So I
>>>heard.
>>>
>>The crossdressing I can handle...spying is just rude however. I was under the
>>impresssion that Canada has better privacy laws than the US does since the
>>power grab that Ashcroft did post 9/11.
>
>Nah, They've got a new PM who wants to make canada more like american
>and mend frences with bush. He also wants to make their military
>bigger and do more oversreas intervention.
>
Stupidity must be catching over here on the continent...hmmm.
>>>
>>>The manicheans were people who said that jesus was both at once a
>>>normal and man, but also the son of god at the same time, Nobody liked
>>>them ever.
>>>
>>>They got packed off to china by the byzantines IIRC. I think thye
>>>still have some followers there.
>>>
>>You really ought to look into teaching history at university.
>>Really...
>
>IIRC, one does some teaching in the 4th year, Also, If I do a
>postgraduate degree, I think you do some teaching them.
>
>Prboe, is, I don't know I can afford a Postgraduate degree, but I so
>want to have a P.H.D, so that people wil call me "Dr. David"
>
Hey...what did I tell you? Only Rich People Deserve To Have Degrees.
Now *dont* forget.
>>>>>They don't even have to call elections every 4 years, They could in
>>>>>theory stay as long as they want twithout calling an election.
>>>>>
>>>>>Probably though, in 18 months time the next one. Blair out!
>>>>>
>>>>He's been slapped by that lady about bugging Hans Blix's office....and
>>various
>>>>other scandals...I wont miss the bugger.
>>>
>>>I won't be able to moan about him though :o(
>>>However, he will probably either get in, or else the conservatives
>>>will, and they are worse then he, so then I will have even more to
>>>moan about!
>>>
>>The papers there are ripping him a new arsehole on the whole Iraq thing:
>>http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1164326,00.html
>
>The guardian still supports him ultimatel,y It is the voice of the
>bourgous.
>
I like the Independent :)
I just found it the other day.
>>>>>They were ordered to, they were probably soldiers from the saudis.
>>>>>Maybe the saudis felt they had no choice at all, but they had to
>>>>>strike at the great satan.
>>>>>
>>>>I hate those saudi hypocrites...they take our oil dollars and then bitch
>>about
>>>>it. Asshats the lot of em...
>>>>
>>>>>Thiers not to reason why, Thiers but to do or die.
>>>>>
>>>>Allah will beat them up and take their 72 rasins :)
>>>
>>>Jump! Jump! off the wall! Allah will receive you all!!
>>>
>>>That's what a heavy metal band sung. It upset some peopke.
>>>
>>They sound kewl. Most groups of people need a reality check from time to
time.
>>And fundamentalists of *all* stripes need it the most :)
>
>Grave Digger, On "knights of the cross", "Fanatic Assasains", Refers
>to the HAssishim, The Muslim blokes who smoked pot before fighting to
>make them into ASSASAINS!!!
>
>It's a trippy track with all thise strange whispering voices and
>arabic bag pipes.
>
Interesting to note that bands in the UK still have political veiws.
The Dixie Chicks got slapped for having one...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Also, There have been reports that people who are detained by the
>>>>>>>british in iraq, have been dieing of heart attacks, But when the
>>>>>>>faimilys come to collect the bodies, they find bruises, broken limbs
>>>>>>>and stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hmm, I wonder, Could british soldiers be beating iraquis to
>>>>>>>death?!?!?!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well they were sending the so called detainees to places like Syria and
>>>>Israel
>>>>>>to get beat up. maybe they're doing it directly now.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cutting out the middleman to make saveings!
>>>>>
>>>>Let the experts handle it. You know outsourcing is a big issue nowadays...
>>>
>>>You can just lock people in a room which is all white, Feed them white
>>>rice on white plates and make them wear white clothes, Just like they
>>>do in iran...
>>>
>>Sounds like science fiction...is there a point to it?
>>Some sort of sensory deprivation?
>>Sleep deprivation is the most effective "tool" in brainwashing IIRC.
>
>Yes, Sensory deprivation, They shine bright white light in 24 hours a
>day, So bright that it's apparantly like you're in an endless white
>space.
>
The innuit people would have a distinct advantage...
>>>>I just abhore those who kill and claim that they're doing "gods work".
>>>>Well if thats gods work let him do it.
>>>
>>>I think he is more than eager too, look at all those dead children.
>>>
>>But did "god" actually do it or was it people pretending to do "gods work"?
>>I think people should quit trying to play god.
>>I mean...if god exists and is all powerful, he would have the resources to do
>>any necessary thing himself-directly.
>
>Why does he need worship if he is all powerful at all?
>
I bet you're right :)
>>>>>There was ome micheal moore book, Bush and me or something.
>>>>>
>>>>Lesse...theres "Dude, wheres my country?"
>>>>"Stupid White Men"
>>>>"Bowling for Columbine"
>>>>
>>>>>I wonder whats happen to moore afther his candidate didn't make it.
>>>>>
>>>>He said that if he was voting by his pocketbook he'd have to support Bush
>>>>because all those tax cuts have benefitted rich guys...and now hes a rich
>>guy.
>>>>But he prolly supports Kerry.
>>>
>>>Well, IT COULD BE WORSE.
>>>
>>How so?
>
>Well,
>
LOL! Hard to imagine?
>>>>>>>>English invade America.
>>>>>>>>Dutch invade South Africa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This is modern times.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I condemn the policies of Israel as much as anyone who dislikes their
heavy
>>>>>>handed approach to securing a homeland. But you have to admit that they
>>*are*
>>>>>>being attacked constantly. Maybe if both sides just took a few weeks
>>>>>>off...hmmm...
>>>>>
>>>>>Only because of their polocies in the first place!!
>>>>>
>>>>Jerusalem *is* really their city though...you have to admit...the wailing
>>wall
>>>>and all that.
>>>
>>>It's part of the worlds CULTURAL HERITIGE. It belongs to us ALL.
>>>
>>One question: do the jews deserve a homeland?
>
>does anyone deserve a homeland just because of their relegion?
>No.
>
Hmmmmm...arn't they claiming to be a distinct race or tribe as well?
With a unique culture & yada yada yada?
>The entire claim of the jewish relegion to that land is based upon a
>"holy book".
>
And being driven from a bunch of other places...so they decided to make a
stand...I really think they deserve something to call their own. Its a tiny
country...
>>>>>we bought a 25 inch sony T.V secondhand for only £120 and a DVD player
>>>>>and obscure french films to watch.
>>>>>
>>>>With Subtitles!?!?!? All hail film noir.
>>>>And cinema verite`.
>>>
>>>One of them is artistic that there is no dialogue whatsoever. And
>>>nothing much happens, Except soem french people rob a bank.
>>>
>>How very artistic! I'd like to see the Lion King 2.5 on dvd...its full of
>>Timon's oddly jewish sounding relatives. I wonder why cartoons so often use
>>stereotypes with respect to the dialog and accents for the characters.
>>Must be a lazy writers crutch :)
>
>And a way of makeing the charecters "relate" to us more, Since you're
>putting in something that we recognize as being charectersitly human.
>
I always prefered the science fiction that pushed the envelope: creatures that
are gas clouds, crystal based...stuff that challenged your imagination.
>>>>>Seriously, There was a guy quoted in yesterdays paper as saying how it
>>>>>would be good for the local economy to have a prison built here.
>>>>>
>>>>Well...it does employ people...but when one puts economics abouve things
like
>>>>justice and liberty....something is gone very wrong.
>>>
>>>Heh, Again, In the newspapers here, There's details of a scheme
>>>whereby Private corperations will "lend" some of their executives to
>>>british prisons in order to help them be more profitable!?!!?
>>>
>>I wonder if historians will look back on the 20th century as some kind of
>>second Dark Age?
>>:(
>
>Maybe we will descend into a neo-fuedal dark age where people do
>"indentured" work for corperations. they give you a roof and food and
>in terutn, you work for them forever.
>
>Yeah, with house prices what they are...
>
The coming of the two tiered social structure...
BUT THINK OF THE LOW PRICES AT WALMART!!!!1111!!!!!
>>>I have no fillings!
>>>the NHS paid for my Orthodontic treatment, to correct my teeth because
>>>I was under 14 when I started it.
>>>In total it cost, about £2500.
>>>
>>Now thats a good system...
>>
>>>I had to pay extra for Gas though, £10 for sleepy gas. It was trippy
>>>though. eveything looked like I was looking through a fish eye lens.
>>>
>>It permanently warped your mind it seems :(
>>Sounds like how we used to sell carpet cleaning. Its 25$ per room.
pretreating
>>the carpet with soap (a necessary ingriedient to a thourough job) is however
an
>>additional 12.00$ :)
>
>How so?
>
The warping of your mind? I was joking...but really....carpets just *wont* come
clean unless you use a pre-treatment to loosen the soil :)
>>>>>>Sure...but sattelites can track subs so it wouldn't be all that much of a
>>>>>>suprise, unless it was on a country w/ no way to get that data fro teh
>>>>>>sattelites...
>>>>>>I bet Camstone could tell us stuff about this...but he's very
>>>>sensitive...can't
>>>>>>take a joke etc...
>>>>>
>>>>>He refused to help me get infomation on ameircas arms exports!
>>>>>
>>>>He's so patriotic! Remember how he was posting from work? Now *thats*
>>>>dedication.
>>>>I Love Camstone :)
>>>
>>>I will paint my soul red, white and blue!
>>>
>>You should go visit him and that Cougar fella :)
>>Smyrgol is also on the east coast. I bet in Rl they'd be very pleasant
actually
>>and not beat you about the head with plushies ;)
>
>I don't want to.
>
You don't like them? Hmmmmm...so far no one has said anything to me on ALF that
I'd personally hold against them and refuse to see them in RL. What happens on
the net dosent always reflect a persons true character.
And thats even with people telling me they'd "dance on my grave".
Mheh...
>>>
>>Ummmm...most muzzle loaders IIRC have no cartrige. Just powder, wadding,
ball,
>>and more wadding. Flint-locks...you know...
>
>The powder came in a white packet which was called the "cartridge".
>A lot of flint locks were converted to precussion locks, Then
>converted back to flint locks when dealiers realise that they could
>makes loads of money by selling "genuine flint locks" to gullbiel
>people.
>
Well you know more about them than me :)
Ive never fired one even.
>>>>>The problem is, any handgun, no matter what calibre or mechanism it
>>>>>uses is illegal.
>>>>>
>>>>Hmmmm...unless the admin does something about it, assault weapons will be
>>legal
>>>>to own again after September. Thats when the ban runs out in teh US.
>>>
>>>Well, I don't reall understand why someone needs a machinegun, Unless
>>>they live in texas.
>>>
>>No one really needs guns if you look at it from a standpoint of "need".
>>Exceptions being Police and sport hunters. But in a society that is free
enough
>>to allow its citizenry to own guns, it indicates a certain trust and attitude
>>towards the ability of said citizenry to behave with that kind of power. It
all
>>boils down to an issue of trust: does the government *trust* its private
>>citizens enough to let them carry a means of deadly force?
>>I'd like to think so.
>>:)
>
>Yeah, but machine guns are machine guns, A rifle is a rifle.
>
And a car is a car. I fail to see the subtle distinction you're trying to make.
>>>>Hmmmmm...maybe the noise was too much. I saw a rifle range in Tucson close
>>>>because they built houses all around it and then bitched about the noise.
>>>>Id'jits...
>>>
>>>No, It was out on an industrial estate, At least 1km from any houses.
>>>But the restrictions... Guns had to be stored in huge (expensive)
>>>safes, and thye had to have the triggers removed and kept somewhere
>>>else, The ammunition was about $5 or £2.50 for 10 .22 rounds et al.
>>>
>>Cost factors. Legislate so that its not economically feasible.
>>This makes it a sport of the Uber Riche though and sets up another haves vs
>>have-nots situation. And begs this question: are rich people inherently
better
>>able to handle the responsibility of gun ownership???
>>Hmmmmm...
>
>Well, They can afford people to carry them for them.
>
And afford better lawyers when things go wrong...I HACE FINALLY SEEN TEH
LITE!!! ALL HAIL TEH RICH FOR TEHY ARE TEH BETTER AND GOD CHOSEN WONS!!!
I feel so much better now knowing the truth :)
I hace got teh inlitenment.
>>>>>Not to mention, gunpowder, or blackpowder itself, IIRC, you need an
>>>>>exposives license to own it. And It's not like I could get an
>>>>>explosives license ever.
>>>>>
>>>>Anyone can buy reloading supplies...simple black powder and primers...all
>>that
>>>>stuff.
>>>>Fireworks are legal here too :)
>>>
>>> Wow, I want to make my own matchlock rifle!
>>>
>>You can buy kits thru the mail without a permit or any background checks.
>
>to make a real matchlock?¬? K4wl. I wonder If could get one back
>through customs.
>
You'd probably have to ship it by air-freight I'd guess. Your gun shop could
tell you how to get it home legally.
>>>>>It's easier to smash the toy than to make a new one remember.
>>>>>
>>>>>+NRA types make me cry.
>>>>>
>>>>Now you've lost me...
>>>>0_o
>>>
>>>Well, There were a few "funny" people at the shooting club, I'm sure
>>>one knows the sort...
>>>
>>Um....comedians?
>
>The sort who buy lots and lots of knives and swords and guns.
>
Collectors? Plushie collectors give me the willies!
>>>>>Well, I'm leaving on the 25th or sopemthing, I get a leaving present!
>>>>>
>>>>You prolly will get a watch...they always give watches...
>>>
>>>The last person got a bottle of Cognac and a pot plant.
>>>
>>Courvasier? (sp?) I'll have to translate for the non British Speaking©
audience
>>that "pot plant" merely means "potted" plant.
>>I'd prefer a nice Rolex...
>
>Yes! Courvasier! how did you guess?
>
I kept hearing it mentioned in hip-hop music...so it was a guess, yes.
King Snuhw()1f
Elizabeth A. Johnson
Dave The Elector Palatine Hyena of the Rhine wrote:
> blat...@invalid.email (Claviarm) shall never vanquished be until
> great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
> him.
>
>
>>I was introduced to Kamau and Smrgol at FC. They did not attempt to
>>beat me with plushies, so you should perhaps not worry. Also, I think
>>it is possible they did not know who I was.
>>
>>Also I met cat and Warren and Avenging Lioness and they are all neato.
>
>
> Really? Well, I may have to consider it.
fear me for I am woman and on the rag.
Avenging_Lioness
--
"I'm wet... I'm naked... your sister is wearing my clothes... and this
is all part of some evil plot TO RULE THE WORLD AS A SOGGY CHIMP IN HIS
BIRTHDAY SUIT?!?!?!?"
Elizabeth A. Johnson
he lies. I am not neato.
Claviarm
>> Also I met cat and Warren and Avenging Lioness and they are all neato.
>
>he lies. I am not neato.
I should add that even though she's neato, she has a tendency to lie
in this specific situation and claim that she is in fact not neato.
Disregard her comments on this subject.
--
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Scratch the Badger
<4059fa2a....@news.sysmatrix.net>:
Much like your self assessment on intelligence?
Heh eh heh.
Dave The Robber Baron Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>Dave The Elector Palatine Hyena of the Rhine <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
><40559550...@news.individual.net>:
>
>>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>>him.
>>
>>>>>>I'm going to get a job and learn to be a real canadien then travel a
>>>>>>bit in north america.
>>>>>>Then I come back and slack for a month and then go off to universirty,
>>>>>>Where I slack for 4 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Whee! Tell us your travel plans & maybe yu can meet some peeps from the NG
>:)
>>>>
>>>>Umm... I dunno, I think I'm going to drive on a greyhound after I've
>>>>worked for 3 months in canada. I
>>>>
>>>Poor doggy...why not just take a bus?
>>
>>Counting the cars on the new jersey turnpike?
>>
>I dont know that song...
America of course!
>>>>The thing is, I feel this need to justify it all, by visiting all
>>>>these historical places in order to get educated by the historical
>>>>expierence.
>>>>
>>>Go to the Grand Canyon, Carlsbad Caverns, Mammoth Cave, the Alamo and Custer
>>>Battlefield National Monument.
>>
>>I'll go to look for america then.
>>
>Listening to Simon & Garfield?
Richie Blackmore now.
>>>>Besides, I don't think many of the peopel on this NG like me anyway.
>>>>*cries*
>>>>
>>>All the more reason to show up at their house :)
>>
>>I don't know where any of them live, I know what states and even towns
>>some of them live thanks to Geolocater though.
>>
>When you actually get ready to go just ask on th NG and see who volunteers to
>let you come over :) I'd think that some would be curious enough to want to
>meet you.
I'm not acutally going traveling for about 2 and half to 3 months
mind, I'll be working in toronto for that time, mind you, since my
parents insist that I send them an e-mail when I do go traveling,
maybe I can do it then.
>>>>Yeah, I remember once in germany, on a school trip, we got stopped and
>>>>searched at the airport, The only person they took away to search more
>>>>was a girl who had er... *raises eyebrows* big ones.
>>>>
>>>Heh...kom here frauline...hey, the US is torturing your dark skinned fellow
>>>brits:
>>>http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/enhancedstory.jsp?maxphotos=5&phototerm=G
>ua
>>>ntanamo+Bay&floc=FF-APO-
>>>PLS&idq=/ff/story/0001/20040312/0729494493.htm&photoid=20040309XLJM103
>>>
>>>Was he innocent?
>>
>>Probably, Even if he wasn't, There is no excuse for torture. I can't
>>belive that one of them lost an arm thanks to botched medical
>>operations and stuff.
>>
>Oops! Yeap...no human rights violations here....
>
>>On an interview for the news, Colon powell said that they were not
>>mistreated "because we are americans".
>>
>ROTFLAMO! Being American now means that one is incapable of mistreating others.
>I guess he dosen't read any american newspapers.
He ought to be sued for slander!
>>>>fear no danger, Shirk no labour
>>>>Lift up rifle, pike and saber
>>>>To arms! To arms! to arms!
>>>>
>>>>In dixie!
>>>>
>>>Friggin dixiecrats...thump that damn bible of theirs all the time...
>>>
>>>He knows the universe and does not know himself.
>>> -Jean de la Fontaine
>>
>>They know the price of everything, But the value of nothing?!
>>
>Virtue has never been as respectable as money.
> -Mark twain
"Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone
lives"
>>>>>>>>I'm learning more about the world, As oppose to being shoved off to
>>>>>>>>university straight from school.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Uh huh. Go to Africa if you want to learn hard & fast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What if I get robbed by people kept in poverty by western
>>>>>>corperations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>You'll learn *real* fast. You might find them warm & friendly tho...
>>>>
>>>>But dieing from Aids.
>>>>
>>>True...not all but many. you could be a computer consultant with what you
>know.
>>>Since in comparason they know nothing.
>>
>>That would be dishonest though, Since I couldnt' fixa broken computer,
>>unless it was really simple.
>>
>Ok...lets test your knowledge.
>Do you know how to boot from a floppy?
>Do you know how to set up an email account?
>" " " set up a firewall?
>Check the system for IRQ conflicts?
>I bet you do :)
Well, Yes, But I don't know about the solving of IRQ conflicts, I can
look at some control panel which says if they exist though.
>>>>>>>>Which of bushes taxs cuts will he be rolling back?
>
>>>>>Heh...theres an old law thats called the Minimum Taxable Amount clause that
>>>was
>>>>>originally designed to catch rich peeps who dont claim all their income.
>But
>>>>>its hitting the middle class with families hardest and missing the uber
>rich
>>>>>entirely.
>>>>>SO theres been only a 1/3 tax cut for most americans when you factor in the
>>>>>MTA.
>>>>
>>>>My father acutally earns less than me per hour, when taxes et al are
>>>>factored in.
>>>>
>>>0_o Whoa... but the benifits make up for it?
>>
>>Umm... well, if 60 pence per day for travel allowences coutn as
>>benefits, yes.
>>
>I meant like some kind of health & dental plan...a retirement account...
Of course not, There is nothing like that.
>>>>There's going to be a drama Documentry on the BBC soon set in a
>>>>fictional future britian, Where rich people all live in gated
>>>>communitoies and poor people live in great urban slums.
>>>>
>>>>Of course, They could always go to brazil to see it for real.
>>>>
>>>Or America :) I saw it happen in Tucson. Cities here become segragated like
>>>this: the rich live in gated communities in the suburbs and the foothills and
>>>the poor live in the urban center.
>>>This is your future America....*guaranteed* under Bush.
>>
>>That's happening here, I like to walk around "my" town and I cannot
>>resist pokeing around on the weekends at the new houseing
>>developments, But they are all huge mansions, and there's already a
>>large wall with an automatic gate going up.
>>
>Where are the rich people coming from to populate such housing?
I dunno, But aparantly there are more than 1000 gated communities
across the UK ATM, Whats worrying is that some of them have their own
power gen, sewage, doctors and even private sectuirty guards, So the
police don't patrol them.
Even worse, The goverment has said that they are "good" and that "more
should be built".
>>>>
>>>>North Dakota has no corp tax IIRC.
>>>>
>>>ND lacks a lot of things...a tolerable climate being one of them.
>>
>>It seems so odd that people in america can just up and move to another
>>part of the country, that is so different that it might as well be
>>another country, Someone moveing from new york to San Francisco would
>>be like a european moveing from London to Morroco or something like
>>that.
>>
>Its a big country but its getting harder to find places where you can escape
>from having to look at signs of human habitation. Parts of the west are still
>sparsely populated...thankfully :)
I've never been anywhere here, I have never seen any place at all come
to think of it, where you cannot see the signs of human habitation.
>>>>>>>>Guess what? in campaign donations from 1997 through 2002, Mintz, Levin
>>>>>>>>& Cohn gave. $54,700 to kerry.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wow. Oh well, I'm still votin fer Kerry :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Words.
>>>>>>Eat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Eat words. Eat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>He insulted the GOP yesterday calling them "crooks". I'd say he's definitly
>>>the
>>>>>guy I want :)
>>>>
>>>>Did he call em' "War criminals"?
>>>>
>>>Nope...just said they were a bunch of crooks :)
>>
>>Pity, I supposed since he voted for the war, He'd be incrimniateing
>>himself anyway.
>>
>Mmmm hmmm :)
He did, He did.
>>>>>>>>You're going to die one day.
>>>>>>>>Why do you bother to get out of bed knowing that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Because I want to have a bit of fun before I go :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When I die, Will I say: "I wish I had read more books"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe...I'll probably be saying "I wish I'd gotten laid more..."
>>>>>:(
>>>>
>>>>I can be anything I want to be and do anything I want to, because I'm
>>>>young and have my whole life ahead of me!!!!
>>>>
>>>Yep.
>>
>>Er... No.
>>
>Why not? You're really a 45 yr old houswife in georgia who weighs 250 lbs???
Because I am limited by my circumstances and wealth.
>>>>hough, it does seem a little odd how the days pass by. There are so
>>>>many days, but they all pass so quickly. And another day is gone...
>>>>
>>>It speeds up as you get older. Heres a theory as to why: when we're cold we
>>>percieve time as passing more quickly, when we're hot it seems to pass more
>>>slowly. As we age our mean body temp drops and so we percieve time to pass
>more
>>>quickly.
>>>FYI
>>>Actual Theory©
>>
>>Woh, I thought it was just because old people were dumb.
>>
>Its not that. Otherwise why would smart old people claim its a real perception?
>Next time you run a fever think about how slowly time passes.
>:)
Time is not a constant!
>>>>>You're the anti-fur.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not anti-fur, Furry is my Smut fix!
>>>>And, there's even one or two artists produceing cubist furry art.
>>>>Neato!
>>>>
>>>Who!? I demand to know! Real art being furry themed!??! Well...there is Bob
>>>Drake...
>>
>>http://thomas-blue.com/
>>
>>some of it impresses me. I hate oils though, Acrylics yes.
>>
>Its not awe inspireing. Its good...but nothing really original. Since all
>cubist art would be compared to Georges Bracque and Pablo Picasso anyway...so
>its derivative in that sense.
><shrugs>
I like woodcuts. They are teh k4wl.
>>>>>>>I'm voting for Kerry :)
>>>>>>>YOu can just piss & moan about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>><insert lamer here>
>>>>>>
>>>>>BLAM
>>>>>
>>>>>you hace been blam'd.
>>>>
>>>>YOU R NO JOB WELFARE MAN!
>>>>
>>>IR BABOON!
>>>:)
>>
>>It must be nice not haveing to get up a 6.30 and then walking to work
>>like a zombie.
>>
>When I was working I always got up on time and being a morning person was
>usually more animated than the rest of the sloths I worked with :)
I'm only a morning person when I don't have to work. I usueally fall
asleep at work in the mornings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's because the grain is not being used to fuel cars. You will have
>>>>>>to get rid of much of the cars and use much less electricity if that
>>>>>>is to be a viable option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Why?
>>>>
>>>>Because america uses too much energy. People leave computers on 25
>>>>hours a day and dont turn of the office lights and stuff!
>>>>
>>>I leave this laptop on 24/7 because I dont want to do a stone cold boot
>>>everyday and wear the bugger out.
>>>Theres energy star© features you can enable on most PCs. THe office lights
>>>should go *off* I agree.
>>
>>I turn my desktop off every day, it's still going fine after about 2
>>years. The computer downstairs gos on fine after 5 years.
>>
>The jury is still out on the leave em on or not issue...
>Mine stays on :)
>Uses about as much juice as a 15 watt light.
Don't laptops get hot and burn out though?
>>>>>Heh eh heh heh eh...Neil Young announced that he was having all his tour
>>>busses
>>>>>converted to bio-diesel because it helps reduce the greenhouse problem.
>>>>>NEIL YOUNG R00lS!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>My mother likes him,...
>>>>
>>>He sang about the Kent State massacre...
>>>"four dead in Ohio..."
>>
>>He sort of heavy metal I think.
>>
>Sort of all over the rock spectrum. He was in Crosby Stills Nash &
>Young...remember? Thats more like classic & folk rock...but he's done hard rock
>stuff as well as country influenced and folksy stuff.
>Rockin in the Free World is good :)
They relreased all his albums here, But they don't have them at the
local shop!
>>>>>>>England *never* had slaves?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Lots of them. Also, a lot of the "citizens" of the british empire were
>>>>>>slaves in all but name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Child labor helped make England great, eh?
>>>>
>>>>Most of them only live to be about 25!!!
>>>>that's even worse than medevil times!
>>>>
>>>Black Lung was a 'orrible way to die...
>>>But you'd be suprised how much coal a 6 yr old can dig in a 16 hour day...
>>
>>I can clean two rooms in 3 hours!
>>
>How big a room? I used to clean five houses a day as a carpet
>cleaner...averaging about 3 rooms per house.
They're about like 10 meters by 5.
>>>>>>The german ideology can be sumed up as:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hagel sucks.
>>>>>>The Young hegelians are all big poopy heads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The matriel determines history. So for example, the crusades were not
>>>>>>primarly dirven by relegion, but rather because people were greedy for
>>>>>>arab land.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Its usually land or some resource. Iraq would be ignored if not for the oil
>>>:)
>>>>>
>>>>>>There was moore, But rats got at it and chewed it (seriously)
>>>>>>
>>>>>Sir Thomas? I thot he was beheaded for keeping his mouth shut?
>>>>
>>>>Well, The book got put in an attic for years, because people DID NOT
>>>>RECOGNIZE IT FOR THE MASTERPIECE IT WAS.
>>>>
>>>It was ahead of its time. Many things are...equal rights...
>>
>>Ah yes, as far back as the 1660's people were suggesting that kind of
>>thing.
>>
>Read Utopia...
>
>>Intereinstly enough, When the spainish and portuguese conqured the new
>>world, Most people were split into too camps, Either the natives were
>>horrible heathen savages who should be enslaved to teach them the
>>error of their ways, Or else they were pure and innocent noble savages
>>who should be educated by er... enslaveing them.
>>
>Make them like us!!!! Only without any rights...
well, The incas planned to enslave the spainyards when they first
found the, But the spainyards pre-emtively masscared them. more than
7000 of them, each spainyward cilled about 15 indiands each for only
the loss of 5 spainwards in total.
>>I think about two people maybe said that they were people "just like
>>us".
>>
>They were obviously ignored...
I think it was the ships full of gold that did it.
>>>>>>Well ok then, I can't fualt Hope. I hope that things will get better
>>>>>>all the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I used to think it was what keeps me going...now I know that its actually
>>>food
>>>>>& water.
>>>>
>>>>and Cheap alchol? I could buy 500ml of 37.5% vodka for only $7 approx.
>>>>
>>>I gave up consuming large amounts in the 90's...
>>>you could get an early start on quitting now :)
>>
>>Well, IIRC the alchold age in canada is 19!! so I'll be dprived there
>>for two months.
>>
>Like you've been deprived of it where you are now?
>;)
At the lecture, They said "most of your social life there will
revolved around alcohol"
>>>>>>>I'm still running as King of Hoemstead. I need a minister of foreign
>>>>>policy...
>>>>>>>hmmm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'll do whatever you tell me to without an independent thought of my
>>>>>>own! Pick me! pick me!
>>>>>>
>>>>><picks you> Ok...um...flame that Pyesatz guy...he's irritating :)
>>>>>Invade his territory and pillage & stuff...then claim we had a god given
>>>right
>>>>>to that land as it was "holy" to us so annex it as well.
>>>>
>>>>I made some pretty CUTTING remarks about his furvey methinks.
>>>>But he says he has some form of autism. I fear what will happen if
>>>>autistic people are allowed to reproduce.
>>>>
>>>You might want to get a copy of this months Atlantic Monthly then...it has a
>>>excellent article on the ethics of cloning and eugenics.
>>
>>We don't get that here, we have The New scientist and "medevil
>>history". it had an interesting article about Uroscopy.
>>
>Was it called, " A pictorial guide to the pee-hole"?
They thought they could tel everything that was wrong with you, just
by looking at the color of your pee.
>>>>>>>Have you learned the Canadian anthem yet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Umm... "mooses, gooses and big trees, La La LA, Lee le le le"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Oh Canada....something something something...
>>>>>kinda like that.
>>>>
>>>>The RMPS spy on people and invade their privacy and crossdress, So I
>>>>heard.
>>>>
>>>The crossdressing I can handle...spying is just rude however. I was under the
>>>impresssion that Canada has better privacy laws than the US does since the
>>>power grab that Ashcroft did post 9/11.
>>
>>Nah, They've got a new PM who wants to make canada more like american
>>and mend frences with bush. He also wants to make their military
>>bigger and do more oversreas intervention.
>>
>Stupidity must be catching over here on the continent...hmmm.
Well, American newspaprs have been bashing spain for voteing out the
prime minsters who lied to them about the bombs, he blamed it on ETA,
when it was mostly likely islamic terorotists.
>>>>
>>>>The manicheans were people who said that jesus was both at once a
>>>>normal and man, but also the son of god at the same time, Nobody liked
>>>>them ever.
>>>>
>>>>They got packed off to china by the byzantines IIRC. I think thye
>>>>still have some followers there.
>>>>
>>>You really ought to look into teaching history at university.
>>>Really...
>>
>>IIRC, one does some teaching in the 4th year, Also, If I do a
>>postgraduate degree, I think you do some teaching them.
>>
>>Prboe, is, I don't know I can afford a Postgraduate degree, but I so
>>want to have a P.H.D, so that people wil call me "Dr. David"
>>
>Hey...what did I tell you? Only Rich People Deserve To Have Degrees.
>Now *dont* forget.
I tried to apply to a college which takes more than 50% of it's intake
from private schools, but they didn't even reply.
>>>>>>They don't even have to call elections every 4 years, They could in
>>>>>>theory stay as long as they want twithout calling an election.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Probably though, in 18 months time the next one. Blair out!
>>>>>>
>>>>>He's been slapped by that lady about bugging Hans Blix's office....and
>>>various
>>>>>other scandals...I wont miss the bugger.
>>>>
>>>>I won't be able to moan about him though :o(
>>>>However, he will probably either get in, or else the conservatives
>>>>will, and they are worse then he, so then I will have even more to
>>>>moan about!
>>>>
>>>The papers there are ripping him a new arsehole on the whole Iraq thing:
>>>http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1164326,00.html
>>
>>The guardian still supports him ultimatel,y It is the voice of the
>>bourgous.
>>
>I like the Independent :)
>I just found it the other day.
They do that in a handbag sized edition! with extra small text.
>>>>>>They were ordered to, they were probably soldiers from the saudis.
>>>>>>Maybe the saudis felt they had no choice at all, but they had to
>>>>>>strike at the great satan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I hate those saudi hypocrites...they take our oil dollars and then bitch
>>>about
>>>>>it. Asshats the lot of em...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Thiers not to reason why, Thiers but to do or die.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Allah will beat them up and take their 72 rasins :)
>>>>
>>>>Jump! Jump! off the wall! Allah will receive you all!!
>>>>
>>>>That's what a heavy metal band sung. It upset some peopke.
>>>>
>>>They sound kewl. Most groups of people need a reality check from time to
>time.
>>>And fundamentalists of *all* stripes need it the most :)
>>
>>Grave Digger, On "knights of the cross", "Fanatic Assasains", Refers
>>to the HAssishim, The Muslim blokes who smoked pot before fighting to
>>make them into ASSASAINS!!!
>>
>>It's a trippy track with all thise strange whispering voices and
>>arabic bag pipes.
>>
>Interesting to note that bands in the UK still have political veiws.
>The Dixie Chicks got slapped for having one...
No, they're a German band. I don't thin british bands are alowed to
have polotical veiws.Blind guardian, Another german band did one
called "battlions of fear" which attacked Ronnie raygun.
"For the last film you all get a part
Be by my side
Or you've to die
Believe what I do is the right
...
Battalions of fear
They search and they scream
For the American dreams
Battalions of fear
The way of R.R.
To show he is the star
Battalions
Star wars
With hands full of blood
He talks about peace
With snake poisoning tongue
He's praying
El Salvador and Vietnam
You soon fast forget
But you satisfy on Afghanistan"
Sadly, They never did another song like that, There are very few
polotical heavy metal songs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Also, There have been reports that people who are detained by the
>>>>>>>>british in iraq, have been dieing of heart attacks, But when the
>>>>>>>>faimilys come to collect the bodies, they find bruises, broken limbs
>>>>>>>>and stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hmm, I wonder, Could british soldiers be beating iraquis to
>>>>>>>>death?!?!?!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well they were sending the so called detainees to places like Syria and
>>>>>Israel
>>>>>>>to get beat up. maybe they're doing it directly now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cutting out the middleman to make saveings!
>>>>>>
>>>>>Let the experts handle it. You know outsourcing is a big issue nowadays...
>>>>
>>>>You can just lock people in a room which is all white, Feed them white
>>>>rice on white plates and make them wear white clothes, Just like they
>>>>do in iran...
>>>>
>>>Sounds like science fiction...is there a point to it?
>>>Some sort of sensory deprivation?
>>>Sleep deprivation is the most effective "tool" in brainwashing IIRC.
>>
>>Yes, Sensory deprivation, They shine bright white light in 24 hours a
>>day, So bright that it's apparantly like you're in an endless white
>>space.
>>
>The innuit people would have a distinct advantage...
Yeah, But I suspect even they, if they were not allowed to talk, read
or do anything but stay in there would go barmy.
>>>>>I just abhore those who kill and claim that they're doing "gods work".
>>>>>Well if thats gods work let him do it.
>>>>
>>>>I think he is more than eager too, look at all those dead children.
>>>>
>>>But did "god" actually do it or was it people pretending to do "gods work"?
>>>I think people should quit trying to play god.
>>>I mean...if god exists and is all powerful, he would have the resources to do
>>>any necessary thing himself-directly.
>>
>>Why does he need worship if he is all powerful at all?
>>
>I bet you're right :)
Being a priest is (or was) a good job in the days of youre. No
slaveing the fields. just going around mumbeling in a language that
common people didnt understand anyway (latin).
>>>>>>There was ome micheal moore book, Bush and me or something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Lesse...theres "Dude, wheres my country?"
>>>>>"Stupid White Men"
>>>>>"Bowling for Columbine"
>>>>>
>>>>>>I wonder whats happen to moore afther his candidate didn't make it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>He said that if he was voting by his pocketbook he'd have to support Bush
>>>>>because all those tax cuts have benefitted rich guys...and now hes a rich
>>>guy.
>>>>>But he prolly supports Kerry.
>>>>
>>>>Well, IT COULD BE WORSE.
>>>>
>>>How so?
>>
>>Well,
>>
>LOL! Hard to imagine?
Maybe if hitler won world war 2 or something?
>>>>>>>>>English invade America.
>>>>>>>>>Dutch invade South Africa.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is modern times.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I condemn the policies of Israel as much as anyone who dislikes their
>heavy
>>>>>>>handed approach to securing a homeland. But you have to admit that they
>>>*are*
>>>>>>>being attacked constantly. Maybe if both sides just took a few weeks
>>>>>>>off...hmmm...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Only because of their polocies in the first place!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>Jerusalem *is* really their city though...you have to admit...the wailing
>>>wall
>>>>>and all that.
>>>>
>>>>It's part of the worlds CULTURAL HERITIGE. It belongs to us ALL.
>>>>
>>>One question: do the jews deserve a homeland?
>>
>>does anyone deserve a homeland just because of their relegion?
>>No.
>>
>Hmmmmm...arn't they claiming to be a distinct race or tribe as well?
>With a unique culture & yada yada yada?
Well, you could say the same about the english and the welsh and the
scots, but we call tjhem "British".
>>The entire claim of the jewish relegion to that land is based upon a
>>"holy book".
>>
>And being driven from a bunch of other places...so they decided to make a
>stand...I really think they deserve something to call their own. Its a tiny
>country...
my great grandparents were jews, so if anyone is ever nasty to me ever
again, they are a VICIOUS ANTISEMETIC NAZI!
>>>>>>we bought a 25 inch sony T.V secondhand for only £120 and a DVD player
>>>>>>and obscure french films to watch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>With Subtitles!?!?!? All hail film noir.
>>>>>And cinema verite`.
>>>>
>>>>One of them is artistic that there is no dialogue whatsoever. And
>>>>nothing much happens, Except soem french people rob a bank.
>>>>
>>>How very artistic! I'd like to see the Lion King 2.5 on dvd...its full of
>>>Timon's oddly jewish sounding relatives. I wonder why cartoons so often use
>>>stereotypes with respect to the dialog and accents for the characters.
>>>Must be a lazy writers crutch :)
>>
>>And a way of makeing the charecters "relate" to us more, Since you're
>>putting in something that we recognize as being charectersitly human.
>>
>I always prefered the science fiction that pushed the envelope: creatures that
>are gas clouds, crystal based...stuff that challenged your imagination.
Hmmm, Gene Wolfes "book of the new sun" is pretty interesint, like
there are predators which absorb the concioness of those they eat, and
the charecter has an odd converstaion with one, or is the people it
has eaten eh?
There's also an enture nation who are only tought in, speak and
communicate in propaganda.
It's also set in the far future of earth, And the city of vast towers,
you eventually ralize that they are rockets.
>>>>>>Seriously, There was a guy quoted in yesterdays paper as saying how it
>>>>>>would be good for the local economy to have a prison built here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Well...it does employ people...but when one puts economics abouve things
>like
>>>>>justice and liberty....something is gone very wrong.
>>>>
>>>>Heh, Again, In the newspapers here, There's details of a scheme
>>>>whereby Private corperations will "lend" some of their executives to
>>>>british prisons in order to help them be more profitable!?!!?
>>>>
>>>I wonder if historians will look back on the 20th century as some kind of
>>>second Dark Age?
>>>:(
>>
>>Maybe we will descend into a neo-fuedal dark age where people do
>>"indentured" work for corperations. they give you a roof and food and
>>in terutn, you work for them forever.
>>
>>Yeah, with house prices what they are...
>>
>The coming of the two tiered social structure...
>BUT THINK OF THE LOW PRICES AT WALMART!!!!1111!!!!!
I bought 4 pairs of trousers for just £4 each!
>>>>I have no fillings!
>>>>the NHS paid for my Orthodontic treatment, to correct my teeth because
>>>>I was under 14 when I started it.
>>>>In total it cost, about £2500.
>>>>
>>>Now thats a good system...
>>>
>>>>I had to pay extra for Gas though, £10 for sleepy gas. It was trippy
>>>>though. eveything looked like I was looking through a fish eye lens.
>>>>
>>>It permanently warped your mind it seems :(
>>>Sounds like how we used to sell carpet cleaning. Its 25$ per room.
>pretreating
>>>the carpet with soap (a necessary ingriedient to a thourough job) is however
>an
>>>additional 12.00$ :)
>>
>>How so?
>>
>The warping of your mind? I was joking...but really....carpets just *wont* come
>clean unless you use a pre-treatment to loosen the soil :)
Ah, That would explain why the carpet cleaning at work never worked.
The boss insisted, So I did it, But even though it smelt nice after,
it didn't acuitally look much better. I pretended it did though and
said that it was a really good idea for him to have me do that and
stuff.
>>>>>>>Sure...but sattelites can track subs so it wouldn't be all that much of a
>>>>>>>suprise, unless it was on a country w/ no way to get that data fro teh
>>>>>>>sattelites...
>>>>>>>I bet Camstone could tell us stuff about this...but he's very
>>>>>sensitive...can't
>>>>>>>take a joke etc...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He refused to help me get infomation on ameircas arms exports!
>>>>>>
>>>>>He's so patriotic! Remember how he was posting from work? Now *thats*
>>>>>dedication.
>>>>>I Love Camstone :)
>>>>
>>>>I will paint my soul red, white and blue!
>>>>
>>>You should go visit him and that Cougar fella :)
>>>Smyrgol is also on the east coast. I bet in Rl they'd be very pleasant
>actually
>>>and not beat you about the head with plushies ;)
>>
>>I don't want to.
>>
>You don't like them? Hmmmmm...so far no one has said anything to me on ALF that
>I'd personally hold against them and refuse to see them in RL. What happens on
>the net dosent always reflect a persons true character.
>And thats even with people telling me they'd "dance on my grave".
>Mheh...
True. I will see. I will see.
>>>>
>>>Ummmm...most muzzle loaders IIRC have no cartrige. Just powder, wadding,
>ball,
>>>and more wadding. Flint-locks...you know...
>>
>>The powder came in a white packet which was called the "cartridge".
>>A lot of flint locks were converted to precussion locks, Then
>>converted back to flint locks when dealiers realise that they could
>>makes loads of money by selling "genuine flint locks" to gullbiel
>>people.
>>
>Well you know more about them than me :)
>Ive never fired one even.
Oh, Well, I've never fired one either, but they're fascinateing,
Beacuse compared to Longbows, They were pants, they could penetrate
6mm of steel (i.e the best plate armour) at about 60 yards max,
Whereas a longbow could do it at about 250.
however, it took about 10 years to train someone to use a longbow, and
they had a 100lb draw, which had to be pulled out and sustained for a
few seconds, So you had to be very strong anyway.
Whereas anyone, can use a gun with a few hours training, and kill even
the most heavily armoured man with a sword.
It's just odd, Fascinateing even, How that is.
>>>>>>The problem is, any handgun, no matter what calibre or mechanism it
>>>>>>uses is illegal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Hmmmm...unless the admin does something about it, assault weapons will be
>>>legal
>>>>>to own again after September. Thats when the ban runs out in teh US.
>>>>
>>>>Well, I don't reall understand why someone needs a machinegun, Unless
>>>>they live in texas.
>>>>
>>>No one really needs guns if you look at it from a standpoint of "need".
>>>Exceptions being Police and sport hunters. But in a society that is free
>enough
>>>to allow its citizenry to own guns, it indicates a certain trust and attitude
>>>towards the ability of said citizenry to behave with that kind of power. It
>all
>>>boils down to an issue of trust: does the government *trust* its private
>>>citizens enough to let them carry a means of deadly force?
>>>I'd like to think so.
>>>:)
>>
>>Yeah, but machine guns are machine guns, A rifle is a rifle.
>>
>And a car is a car. I fail to see the subtle distinction you're trying to make.
A Maxmim gun can fire something like 650 rounds per minute from 250
round belts. IIRC, the bullets are lethal at about 1000 yards.
>>>>>Hmmmmm...maybe the noise was too much. I saw a rifle range in Tucson close
>>>>>because they built houses all around it and then bitched about the noise.
>>>>>Id'jits...
>>>>
>>>>No, It was out on an industrial estate, At least 1km from any houses.
>>>>But the restrictions... Guns had to be stored in huge (expensive)
>>>>safes, and thye had to have the triggers removed and kept somewhere
>>>>else, The ammunition was about $5 or £2.50 for 10 .22 rounds et al.
>>>>
>>>Cost factors. Legislate so that its not economically feasible.
>>>This makes it a sport of the Uber Riche though and sets up another haves vs
>>>have-nots situation. And begs this question: are rich people inherently
>better
>>>able to handle the responsibility of gun ownership???
>>>Hmmmmm...
>>
>>Well, They can afford people to carry them for them.
>>
>And afford better lawyers when things go wrong...I HACE FINALLY SEEN TEH
>LITE!!! ALL HAIL TEH RICH FOR TEHY ARE TEH BETTER AND GOD CHOSEN WONS!!!
>I feel so much better now knowing the truth :)
>I hace got teh inlitenment.
Madonna had a media article where she talked about how she loved
shooting so much,.
>>>>>>Not to mention, gunpowder, or blackpowder itself, IIRC, you need an
>>>>>>exposives license to own it. And It's not like I could get an
>>>>>>explosives license ever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Anyone can buy reloading supplies...simple black powder and primers...all
>>>that
>>>>>stuff.
>>>>>Fireworks are legal here too :)
>>>>
>>>> Wow, I want to make my own matchlock rifle!
>>>>
>>>You can buy kits thru the mail without a permit or any background checks.
>>
>>to make a real matchlock?¬? K4wl. I wonder If could get one back
>>through customs.
>>
>You'd probably have to ship it by air-freight I'd guess. Your gun shop could
>tell you how to get it home legally.
Matchlock mechanisms themselves seem rather simple. Some of them just
had an S shaped lever with a clip to hold the smouldering match.
>>>>>>It's easier to smash the toy than to make a new one remember.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>+NRA types make me cry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Now you've lost me...
>>>>>0_o
>>>>
>>>>Well, There were a few "funny" people at the shooting club, I'm sure
>>>>one knows the sort...
>>>>
>>>Um....comedians?
>>
>>The sort who buy lots and lots of knives and swords and guns.
>>
>Collectors? Plushie collectors give me the willies!
There is something odd about grown men haveing stuffed toys. I have
wally wale, From when I was little, Made from flannel. but that is
all.
>>>>>>Well, I'm leaving on the 25th or sopemthing, I get a leaving present!
>>>>>>
>>>>>You prolly will get a watch...they always give watches...
>>>>
>>>>The last person got a bottle of Cognac and a pot plant.
>>>>
>>>Courvasier? (sp?) I'll have to translate for the non British Speaking©
>audience
>>>that "pot plant" merely means "potted" plant.
>>>I'd prefer a nice Rolex...
>>
>>Yes! Courvasier! how did you guess?
>>
>I kept hearing it mentioned in hip-hop music...so it was a guess, yes.
Oh, I thought cognac was a sophiscated drink, not something that
ganstas swig while driveing around in their soft tops.
Claviarm
>>I should add that even though she's neato, she has a tendency to lie
>>in this specific situation and claim that she is in fact not neato.
>>Disregard her comments on this subject.
>>
>Much like your self assessment on intelligence?
>Heh eh heh.
A pox upon ye, sir.
--
Claviarm
ICQ 16521227
§ńühwřŁf
<40598e1c...@news.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>I'm going to get a job and learn to be a real canadien then travel a
>>>>>>>bit in north america.
>>>>>>>Then I come back and slack for a month and then go off to universirty,
>>>>>>>Where I slack for 4 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Whee! Tell us your travel plans & maybe yu can meet some peeps from the
NG
>>:)
>>>>>
>>>>>Umm... I dunno, I think I'm going to drive on a greyhound after I've
>>>>>worked for 3 months in canada. I
>>>>>
>>>>Poor doggy...why not just take a bus?
>>>
>>>Counting the cars on the new jersey turnpike?
>>>
>>I dont know that song...
>
>America of course!
>
Life in the fast lane...
>>>>>The thing is, I feel this need to justify it all, by visiting all
>>>>>these historical places in order to get educated by the historical
>>>>>expierence.
>>>>>
>>>>Go to the Grand Canyon, Carlsbad Caverns, Mammoth Cave, the Alamo and
Custer
>>>>Battlefield National Monument.
>>>
>>>I'll go to look for america then.
>>>
>>Listening to Simon & Garfield?
>
>Richie Blackmore now.
>
Beats the Eagles...
>>>>>Besides, I don't think many of the peopel on this NG like me anyway.
>>>>>*cries*
>>>>>
>>>>All the more reason to show up at their house :)
>>>
>>>I don't know where any of them live, I know what states and even towns
>>>some of them live thanks to Geolocater though.
>>>
>>When you actually get ready to go just ask on th NG and see who volunteers to
>>let you come over :) I'd think that some would be curious enough to want to
>>meet you.
>
>I'm not acutally going traveling for about 2 and half to 3 months
>mind, I'll be working in toronto for that time, mind you, since my
>parents insist that I send them an e-mail when I do go traveling,
>maybe I can do it then.
>
They want you to be safe. CANADA IS DANGEROUS!!!!
Roving bands of hockey players have been beating up people...its atrocious.
>>Oops! Yeap...no human rights violations here....
>>
>>>On an interview for the news, Colon powell said that they were not
>>>mistreated "because we are americans".
>>>
>>ROTFLAMO! Being American now means that one is incapable of mistreating
others.
>>I guess he dosen't read any american newspapers.
>
>He ought to be sued for slander!
>
Heres the real deal:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/03/10/osp_moveon/
Its a long article but it details why we went to IRAQ in the first place...as
told by an insider.Its the proverbial Smoking Gun that if it gets widespread
media attention, will sink Bush's "re"-election.
It blows the administrations cover story right outta the water...
>>>>>fear no danger, Shirk no labour
>>>>>Lift up rifle, pike and saber
>>>>>To arms! To arms! to arms!
>>>>>
>>>>>In dixie!
>>>>>
>>>>Friggin dixiecrats...thump that damn bible of theirs all the time...
>>>>
>>>>He knows the universe and does not know himself.
>>>> -Jean de la Fontaine
>>>
>>>They know the price of everything, But the value of nothing?!
>>>
>>Virtue has never been as respectable as money.
>> -Mark twain
>
>"Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone
>lives"
>
Teach me to live that I may dread
The grave as little as my bed.
-Thomas Ken
>>>>>>>>>I'm learning more about the world, As oppose to being shoved off to
>>>>>>>>>university straight from school.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Uh huh. Go to Africa if you want to learn hard & fast.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What if I get robbed by people kept in poverty by western
>>>>>>>corperations?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>You'll learn *real* fast. You might find them warm & friendly tho...
>>>>>
>>>>>But dieing from Aids.
>>>>>
>>>>True...not all but many. you could be a computer consultant with what you
>>know.
>>>>Since in comparason they know nothing.
>>>
>>>That would be dishonest though, Since I couldnt' fixa broken computer,
>>>unless it was really simple.
>>>
>>Ok...lets test your knowledge.
>>Do you know how to boot from a floppy?
>>Do you know how to set up an email account?
>>" " " set up a firewall?
>>Check the system for IRQ conflicts?
>>I bet you do :)
>
>Well, Yes, But I don't know about the solving of IRQ conflicts, I can
>look at some control panel which says if they exist though.
>
Do you know how to use Windoze help? Then you can use teh L337 troubleshooter
:)
U R N XPRT!
>>>>>>>>>Which of bushes taxs cuts will he be rolling back?
>>
>>>>>>Heh...theres an old law thats called the Minimum Taxable Amount clause
that
>>>>was
>>>>>>originally designed to catch rich peeps who dont claim all their income.
>>But
>>>>>>its hitting the middle class with families hardest and missing the uber
>>rich
>>>>>>entirely.
>>>>>>SO theres been only a 1/3 tax cut for most americans when you factor in
the
>>>>>>MTA.
>>>>>
>>>>>My father acutally earns less than me per hour, when taxes et al are
>>>>>factored in.
>>>>>
>>>>0_o Whoa... but the benifits make up for it?
>>>
>>>Umm... well, if 60 pence per day for travel allowences coutn as
>>>benefits, yes.
>>>
>>I meant like some kind of health & dental plan...a retirement account...
>
>Of course not, There is nothing like that.
>
Whoa. My dad got benni's from being a prof....funny that yours didnt.
>>>>>There's going to be a drama Documentry on the BBC soon set in a
>>>>>fictional future britian, Where rich people all live in gated
>>>>>communitoies and poor people live in great urban slums.
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course, They could always go to brazil to see it for real.
>>>>>
>>>>Or America :) I saw it happen in Tucson. Cities here become segragated like
>>>>this: the rich live in gated communities in the suburbs and the foothills
and
>>>>the poor live in the urban center.
>>>>This is your future America....*guaranteed* under Bush.
>>>
>>>That's happening here, I like to walk around "my" town and I cannot
>>>resist pokeing around on the weekends at the new houseing
>>>developments, But they are all huge mansions, and there's already a
>>>large wall with an automatic gate going up.
>>>
>>Where are the rich people coming from to populate such housing?
>
>I dunno, But aparantly there are more than 1000 gated communities
>across the UK ATM, Whats worrying is that some of them have their own
>power gen, sewage, doctors and even private sectuirty guards, So the
>police don't patrol them.
>
>Even worse, The goverment has said that they are "good" and that "more
>should be built".
>
These walled self sufficient villages seem a bit like Lords & Serfs...
hmmmmm.
>>>>>
>>>>>North Dakota has no corp tax IIRC.
>>>>>
>>>>ND lacks a lot of things...a tolerable climate being one of them.
>>>
>>>It seems so odd that people in america can just up and move to another
>>>part of the country, that is so different that it might as well be
>>>another country, Someone moveing from new york to San Francisco would
>>>be like a european moveing from London to Morroco or something like
>>>that.
>>>
>>Its a big country but its getting harder to find places where you can escape
>>from having to look at signs of human habitation. Parts of the west are still
>>sparsely populated...thankfully :)
>
>I've never been anywhere here, I have never seen any place at all come
>to think of it, where you cannot see the signs of human habitation.
>
I can't imagine it. Makes me shudder thinkin of it! Looking around, seeing
nothing but nature, that makes me feel "safe" somehow knowing that theres still
some land that hasn't been marred by the hand of man.
>>>>>>He insulted the GOP yesterday calling them "crooks". I'd say he's
definitly
>>>>the
>>>>>>guy I want :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Did he call em' "War criminals"?
>>>>>
>>>>Nope...just said they were a bunch of crooks :)
>>>
>>>Pity, I supposed since he voted for the war, He'd be incrimniateing
>>>himself anyway.
>>>
>>Mmmm hmmm :)
>
>He did, He did.
>
Let the mud-slinging begin...
>>>>>>>>>You're going to die one day.
>>>>>>>>>Why do you bother to get out of bed knowing that?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Because I want to have a bit of fun before I go :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>When I die, Will I say: "I wish I had read more books"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Maybe...I'll probably be saying "I wish I'd gotten laid more..."
>>>>>>:(
>>>>>
>>>>>I can be anything I want to be and do anything I want to, because I'm
>>>>>young and have my whole life ahead of me!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>Yep.
>>>
>>>Er... No.
>>>
>>Why not? You're really a 45 yr old houswife in georgia who weighs 250 lbs???
>
>Because I am limited by my circumstances and wealth.
>
Well....I think its also attitudinal. I think I'm limited a lot by my
persistent feelings of helplessness when I examine what others have done, how
large collectives can crush opposition, that kind of thing.
>>>>>hough, it does seem a little odd how the days pass by. There are so
>>>>>many days, but they all pass so quickly. And another day is gone...
>>>>>
>>>>It speeds up as you get older. Heres a theory as to why: when we're cold we
>>>>percieve time as passing more quickly, when we're hot it seems to pass more
>>>>slowly. As we age our mean body temp drops and so we percieve time to pass
>>more
>>>>quickly.
>>>>FYI
>>>>Actual Theory©
>>>
>>>Woh, I thought it was just because old people were dumb.
>>>
>>Its not that. Otherwise why would smart old people claim its a real
perception?
>>Next time you run a fever think about how slowly time passes.
>>:)
>
>Time is not a constant!
>
I know. It surges and lurches onward into the "future".
>>>>>>You're the anti-fur.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm not anti-fur, Furry is my Smut fix!
>>>>>And, there's even one or two artists produceing cubist furry art.
>>>>>Neato!
>>>>>
>>>>Who!? I demand to know! Real art being furry themed!??! Well...there is Bob
>>>>Drake...
>>>
>>>http://thomas-blue.com/
>>>
>>>some of it impresses me. I hate oils though, Acrylics yes.
>>>
>>Its not awe inspireing. Its good...but nothing really original. Since all
>>cubist art would be compared to Georges Bracque and Pablo Picasso anyway...so
>>its derivative in that sense.
>><shrugs>
>
>I like woodcuts. They are teh k4wl.
>
Beats papercuts...get it? Heh...thats sooooo 15th century d00d...
I like Black & White photography...
>>>>>>>>I'm voting for Kerry :)
>>>>>>>>YOu can just piss & moan about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><insert lamer here>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>BLAM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>you hace been blam'd.
>>>>>
>>>>>YOU R NO JOB WELFARE MAN!
>>>>>
>>>>IR BABOON!
>>>>:)
>>>
>>>It must be nice not haveing to get up a 6.30 and then walking to work
>>>like a zombie.
>>>
>>When I was working I always got up on time and being a morning person was
>>usually more animated than the rest of the sloths I worked with :)
>
>I'm only a morning person when I don't have to work. I usueally fall
>asleep at work in the mornings.
>
What kind of job lets you do that!?
>>>>I leave this laptop on 24/7 because I dont want to do a stone cold boot
>>>>everyday and wear the bugger out.
>>>>Theres energy star© features you can enable on most PCs. THe office lights
>>>>should go *off* I agree.
>>>
>>>I turn my desktop off every day, it's still going fine after about 2
>>>years. The computer downstairs gos on fine after 5 years.
>>>
>>The jury is still out on the leave em on or not issue...
>>Mine stays on :)
>>Uses about as much juice as a 15 watt light.
>
>Don't laptops get hot and burn out though?
>
No...the drive can be set to 'spin-down' after a set period of time. Its
controlled in the Display Properties & Screen savers tab...this one wont wake
properly after it goes to "sleep" so I just have the drive stop spinning and
the screen blank out after 20 minutes of inactivity. If you have one that will
sleep properly it uses about 2-5 watts of juice.
>>>>>>Heh eh heh heh eh...Neil Young announced that he was having all his tour
>>>>busses
>>>>>>converted to bio-diesel because it helps reduce the greenhouse problem.
>>>>>>NEIL YOUNG R00lS!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>My mother likes him,...
>>>>>
>>>>He sang about the Kent State massacre...
>>>>"four dead in Ohio..."
>>>
>>>He sort of heavy metal I think.
>>>
>>Sort of all over the rock spectrum. He was in Crosby Stills Nash &
>>Young...remember? Thats more like classic & folk rock...but he's done hard
rock
>>stuff as well as country influenced and folksy stuff.
>>Rockin in the Free World is good :)
>
>They relreased all his albums here, But they don't have them at the
>local shop!
>
Picket the shop. Make signs and chant!
>>>>Black Lung was a 'orrible way to die...
>>>>But you'd be suprised how much coal a 6 yr old can dig in a 16 hour day...
>>>
>>>I can clean two rooms in 3 hours!
>>>
>>How big a room? I used to clean five houses a day as a carpet
>>cleaner...averaging about 3 rooms per house.
>
>They're about like 10 meters by 5.
>
Wow. Are you using a toothbrush and a sponge?
>>>Intereinstly enough, When the spainish and portuguese conqured the new
>>>world, Most people were split into too camps, Either the natives were
>>>horrible heathen savages who should be enslaved to teach them the
>>>error of their ways, Or else they were pure and innocent noble savages
>>>who should be educated by er... enslaveing them.
>>>
>>Make them like us!!!! Only without any rights...
>
>well, The incas planned to enslave the spainyards when they first
>found the, But the spainyards pre-emtively masscared them. more than
>7000 of them, each spainyward cilled about 15 indiands each for only
>the loss of 5 spainwards in total.
>
Your disgraphia is amusing :)
Technology beat the Incas. Its not like they were a peaceful & kind people
though. Soccer matches where the loosing team dies is a bit harsh eh?
>>>I think about two people maybe said that they were people "just like
>>>us".
>>>
>>They were obviously ignored...
>
>I think it was the ships full of gold that did it.
>
Yes. But they still found time to fuck their women pleanty while calling the
men heathens & kill em. Mexicans are mostly a mixture of spanish and Indian
ancestors.
Truly...the history of humanity is very inspireing.
>>>>>>>Well ok then, I can't fualt Hope. I hope that things will get better
>>>>>>>all the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I used to think it was what keeps me going...now I know that its actually
>>>>food
>>>>>>& water.
>>>>>
>>>>>and Cheap alchol? I could buy 500ml of 37.5% vodka for only $7 approx.
>>>>>
>>>>I gave up consuming large amounts in the 90's...
>>>>you could get an early start on quitting now :)
>>>
>>>Well, IIRC the alchold age in canada is 19!! so I'll be dprived there
>>>for two months.
>>>
>>Like you've been deprived of it where you are now?
>>;)
>
>At the lecture, They said "most of your social life there will
>revolved around alcohol"
>
So don't expect any better! JUST GIVE IN NOW!!!!!
Lovely message.
>>>>>I made some pretty CUTTING remarks about his furvey methinks.
>>>>>But he says he has some form of autism. I fear what will happen if
>>>>>autistic people are allowed to reproduce.
>>>>>
>>>>You might want to get a copy of this months Atlantic Monthly then...it has
a
>>>>excellent article on the ethics of cloning and eugenics.
>>>
>>>We don't get that here, we have The New scientist and "medevil
>>>history". it had an interesting article about Uroscopy.
>>>
>>Was it called, " A pictorial guide to the pee-hole"?
>
>They thought they could tel everything that was wrong with you, just
>by looking at the color of your pee.
>
Ahhh...people have applied the same idea to the color of ones eyes.
And bumps on the head...
palmistry...
facial types...tis all bunk!
>>>>>The RMPS spy on people and invade their privacy and crossdress, So I
>>>>>heard.
>>>>>
>>>>The crossdressing I can handle...spying is just rude however. I was under
the
>>>>impresssion that Canada has better privacy laws than the US does since the
>>>>power grab that Ashcroft did post 9/11.
>>>
>>>Nah, They've got a new PM who wants to make canada more like american
>>>and mend frences with bush. He also wants to make their military
>>>bigger and do more oversreas intervention.
>>>
>>Stupidity must be catching over here on the continent...hmmm.
>
>Well, American newspaprs have been bashing spain for voteing out the
>prime minsters who lied to them about the bombs, he blamed it on ETA,
>when it was mostly likely islamic terorotists.
>
Or maybe a new temporary alliance of the two? I wonder if they realise that
they (Spain) just rewarded "bad behavior"?
>>>>>
>>>>>The manicheans were people who said that jesus was both at once a
>>>>>normal and man, but also the son of god at the same time, Nobody liked
>>>>>them ever.
>>>>>
>>>>>They got packed off to china by the byzantines IIRC. I think thye
>>>>>still have some followers there.
>>>>>
>>>>You really ought to look into teaching history at university.
>>>>Really...
>>>
>>>IIRC, one does some teaching in the 4th year, Also, If I do a
>>>postgraduate degree, I think you do some teaching them.
>>>
>>>Prboe, is, I don't know I can afford a Postgraduate degree, but I so
>>>want to have a P.H.D, so that people wil call me "Dr. David"
>>>
>>Hey...what did I tell you? Only Rich People Deserve To Have Degrees.
>>Now *dont* forget.
>
>I tried to apply to a college which takes more than 50% of it's intake
>from private schools, but they didn't even reply.
>
Filling out applications for practice eh?
>>>>>>>They don't even have to call elections every 4 years, They could in
>>>>>>>theory stay as long as they want twithout calling an election.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Probably though, in 18 months time the next one. Blair out!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>He's been slapped by that lady about bugging Hans Blix's office....and
>>>>various
>>>>>>other scandals...I wont miss the bugger.
>>>>>
>>>>>I won't be able to moan about him though :o(
>>>>>However, he will probably either get in, or else the conservatives
>>>>>will, and they are worse then he, so then I will have even more to
>>>>>moan about!
>>>>>
>>>>The papers there are ripping him a new arsehole on the whole Iraq thing:
>>>>http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1164326,00.html
>>>
>>>The guardian still supports him ultimatel,y It is the voice of the
>>>bourgous.
>>>
>>I like the Independent :)
>>I just found it the other day.
>
>They do that in a handbag sized edition! with extra small text.
>
It loads quickly. thats a big plus as far as Im concerned for news.
>>>>>Jump! Jump! off the wall! Allah will receive you all!!
>>>>>
>>>>>That's what a heavy metal band sung. It upset some peopke.
>>>>>
>>>>They sound kewl. Most groups of people need a reality check from time to
>>time.
>>>>And fundamentalists of *all* stripes need it the most :)
>>>
>>>Grave Digger, On "knights of the cross", "Fanatic Assasains", Refers
>>>to the HAssishim, The Muslim blokes who smoked pot before fighting to
>>>make them into ASSASAINS!!!
>>>
>>>It's a trippy track with all thise strange whispering voices and
>>>arabic bag pipes.
>>>
>>Interesting to note that bands in the UK still have political veiws.
>>The Dixie Chicks got slapped for having one...
>
>No, they're a German band. I don't thin british bands are alowed to
>have polotical veiws.
Is Sinead O'Connor a UK "band"?
Shes made remarks agin the Church.
>Blind guardian, Another german band did one
>called "battlions of fear" which attacked Ronnie raygun.
>
>"For the last film you all get a part
>Be by my side
>Or you've to die
>Believe what I do is the right
>...
>
>Battalions of fear
>They search and they scream
>For the American dreams
>Battalions of fear
>The way of R.R.
>To show he is the star
>Battalions
>
>Star wars
>
>With hands full of blood
>He talks about peace
>With snake poisoning tongue
>He's praying
>El Salvador and Vietnam
>You soon fast forget
>But you satisfy on Afghanistan"
>
>Sadly, They never did another song like that, There are very few
>polotical heavy metal songs.
>
If you want good political musical stuff: Mojo Nixon.
He r00ls :)
>>>>>You can just lock people in a room which is all white, Feed them white
>>>>>rice on white plates and make them wear white clothes, Just like they
>>>>>do in iran...
>>>>>
>>>>Sounds like science fiction...is there a point to it?
>>>>Some sort of sensory deprivation?
>>>>Sleep deprivation is the most effective "tool" in brainwashing IIRC.
>>>
>>>Yes, Sensory deprivation, They shine bright white light in 24 hours a
>>>day, So bright that it's apparantly like you're in an endless white
>>>space.
>>>
>>The innuit people would have a distinct advantage...
>
>Yeah, But I suspect even they, if they were not allowed to talk, read
>or do anything but stay in there would go barmy.
>
So its also isolation. Might crack them...but you never know.
>>>>>>I just abhore those who kill and claim that they're doing "gods work".
>>>>>>Well if thats gods work let him do it.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think he is more than eager too, look at all those dead children.
>>>>>
>>>>But did "god" actually do it or was it people pretending to do "gods work"?
>>>>I think people should quit trying to play god.
>>>>I mean...if god exists and is all powerful, he would have the resources to
do
>>>>any necessary thing himself-directly.
>>>
>>>Why does he need worship if he is all powerful at all?
>>>
>>I bet you're right :)
>
>Being a priest is (or was) a good job in the days of youre. No
>slaveing the fields. just going around mumbeling in a language that
>common people didnt understand anyway (latin).
>
And collecting money for services and gay sex between boys & men...hmmm...
well...maybe not *every* church did that...
They were sometimes the only ones who were literate though.
>>>>>Well, IT COULD BE WORSE.
>>>>>
>>>>How so?
>>>
>>>Well,
>>>
>>LOL! Hard to imagine?
>
>Maybe if hitler won world war 2 or something?
>
That would probably suck.
>>>>>>Jerusalem *is* really their city though...you have to admit...the wailing
>>>>wall
>>>>>>and all that.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's part of the worlds CULTURAL HERITIGE. It belongs to us ALL.
>>>>>
>>>>One question: do the jews deserve a homeland?
>>>
>>>does anyone deserve a homeland just because of their relegion?
>>>No.
>>>
>>Hmmmmm...arn't they claiming to be a distinct race or tribe as well?
>>With a unique culture & yada yada yada?
>
>Well, you could say the same about the english and the welsh and the
>scots, but we call tjhem "British".
>
The Irish seem to think they deserve a homeland.
>>>The entire claim of the jewish relegion to that land is based upon a
>>>"holy book".
>>>
>>And being driven from a bunch of other places...so they decided to make a
>>stand...I really think they deserve something to call their own. Its a tiny
>>country...
>
>my great grandparents were jews, so if anyone is ever nasty to me ever
>again, they are a VICIOUS ANTISEMETIC NAZI!
>
Well sure you can say that if you're a member of any group that has sufferd
opression you can always play the "race card" and make your critic an automatic
bigot with no argumantative leg to stand on. I think people are wising up to
the whole "poor me" I'm a member of group 'X' dont criticise me bit.
>>>>>>>we bought a 25 inch sony T.V secondhand for only £120 and a DVD player
>>>>>>>and obscure french films to watch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>With Subtitles!?!?!? All hail film noir.
>>>>>>And cinema verite`.
>>>>>
>>>>>One of them is artistic that there is no dialogue whatsoever. And
>>>>>nothing much happens, Except soem french people rob a bank.
>>>>>
>>>>How very artistic! I'd like to see the Lion King 2.5 on dvd...its full of
>>>>Timon's oddly jewish sounding relatives. I wonder why cartoons so often use
>>>>stereotypes with respect to the dialog and accents for the characters.
>>>>Must be a lazy writers crutch :)
>>>
>>>And a way of makeing the charecters "relate" to us more, Since you're
>>>putting in something that we recognize as being charectersitly human.
>>>
>>I always prefered the science fiction that pushed the envelope: creatures
that
>>are gas clouds, crystal based...stuff that challenged your imagination.
>
>Hmmm, Gene Wolfes "book of the new sun" is pretty interesint, like
>there are predators which absorb the concioness of those they eat, and
>the charecter has an odd converstaion with one, or is the people it
>has eaten eh?
>
Sounds kewl.
>There's also an enture nation who are only tought in, speak and
>communicate in propaganda.
>
>It's also set in the far future of earth, And the city of vast towers,
>you eventually ralize that they are rockets.
>
Science fiction makes you think at least while it entertains you.
>>>>>>>Seriously, There was a guy quoted in yesterdays paper as saying how it
>>>>>>>would be good for the local economy to have a prison built here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well...it does employ people...but when one puts economics abouve things
>>like
>>>>>>justice and liberty....something is gone very wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>Heh, Again, In the newspapers here, There's details of a scheme
>>>>>whereby Private corperations will "lend" some of their executives to
>>>>>british prisons in order to help them be more profitable!?!!?
>>>>>
>>>>I wonder if historians will look back on the 20th century as some kind of
>>>>second Dark Age?
>>>>:(
>>>
>>>Maybe we will descend into a neo-fuedal dark age where people do
>>>"indentured" work for corperations. they give you a roof and food and
>>>in terutn, you work for them forever.
>>>
>>>Yeah, with house prices what they are...
>>>
>>The coming of the two tiered social structure...
>>BUT THINK OF THE LOW PRICES AT WALMART!!!!1111!!!!!
>
>I bought 4 pairs of trousers for just £4 each!
>
Theres a Walmart there too?!?!?!?
AGGGGGHH!
>>>>>I have no fillings!
>>>>>the NHS paid for my Orthodontic treatment, to correct my teeth because
>>>>>I was under 14 when I started it.
>>>>>In total it cost, about £2500.
>>>>>
>>>>Now thats a good system...
>>>>
>>>>>I had to pay extra for Gas though, £10 for sleepy gas. It was trippy
>>>>>though. eveything looked like I was looking through a fish eye lens.
>>>>>
>>>>It permanently warped your mind it seems :(
>>>>Sounds like how we used to sell carpet cleaning. Its 25$ per room.
>>pretreating
>>>>the carpet with soap (a necessary ingriedient to a thourough job) is
however
>>an
>>>>additional 12.00$ :)
>>>
>>>How so?
>>>
>>The warping of your mind? I was joking...but really....carpets just *wont*
come
>>clean unless you use a pre-treatment to loosen the soil :)
>
>Ah, That would explain why the carpet cleaning at work never worked.
>The boss insisted, So I did it, But even though it smelt nice after,
>it didn't acuitally look much better. I pretended it did though and
>said that it was a really good idea for him to have me do that and
>stuff.
>
Unless you have harsh chemicals, very hot water, and powerful vaccuming to suck
it all up, you dont get a good job.
More power is better.
>>>>>I will paint my soul red, white and blue!
>>>>>
>>>>You should go visit him and that Cougar fella :)
>>>>Smyrgol is also on the east coast. I bet in Rl they'd be very pleasant
>>actually
>>>>and not beat you about the head with plushies ;)
>>>
>>>I don't want to.
>>>
>>You don't like them? Hmmmmm...so far no one has said anything to me on ALF
that
>>I'd personally hold against them and refuse to see them in RL. What happens
on
>>the net dosent always reflect a persons true character.
>>And thats even with people telling me they'd "dance on my grave".
>>Mheh...
>
>True. I will see. I will see.
>
MAybe they give you fursex?
LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>Ummmm...most muzzle loaders IIRC have no cartrige. Just powder, wadding,
>>ball,
>>>>and more wadding. Flint-locks...you know...
>>>
>>>The powder came in a white packet which was called the "cartridge".
>>>A lot of flint locks were converted to precussion locks, Then
>>>converted back to flint locks when dealiers realise that they could
>>>makes loads of money by selling "genuine flint locks" to gullbiel
>>>people.
>>>
>>Well you know more about them than me :)
>>Ive never fired one even.
>
>Oh, Well, I've never fired one either, but they're fascinateing,
>Beacuse compared to Longbows, They were pants, they could penetrate
>6mm of steel (i.e the best plate armour) at about 60 yards max,
>Whereas a longbow could do it at about 250.
>
Interesting.
>however, it took about 10 years to train someone to use a longbow, and
>they had a 100lb draw, which had to be pulled out and sustained for a
>few seconds, So you had to be very strong anyway.
>
Crossbows?
>Whereas anyone, can use a gun with a few hours training, and kill even
>the most heavily armoured man with a sword.
>
>It's just odd, Fascinateing even, How that is.
>
Technology: bringing us bettter ways to kill.
>>>>No one really needs guns if you look at it from a standpoint of "need".
>>>>Exceptions being Police and sport hunters. But in a society that is free
>>enough
>>>>to allow its citizenry to own guns, it indicates a certain trust and
attitude
>>>>towards the ability of said citizenry to behave with that kind of power. It
>>all
>>>>boils down to an issue of trust: does the government *trust* its private
>>>>citizens enough to let them carry a means of deadly force?
>>>>I'd like to think so.
>>>>:)
>>>
>>>Yeah, but machine guns are machine guns, A rifle is a rifle.
>>>
>>And a car is a car. I fail to see the subtle distinction you're trying to
make.
>
>A Maxmim gun can fire something like 650 rounds per minute from 250
>round belts. IIRC, the bullets are lethal at about 1000 yards.
>
I now see your distinction.
>>>
>>>Well, They can afford people to carry them for them.
>>>
>>And afford better lawyers when things go wrong...I HACE FINALLY SEEN TEH
>>LITE!!! ALL HAIL TEH RICH FOR TEHY ARE TEH BETTER AND GOD CHOSEN WONS!!!
>>I feel so much better now knowing the truth :)
>>I hace got teh inlitenment.
>
>Madonna had a media article where she talked about how she loved
>shooting so much,.
>
Heh...I wonder if shes trying to put the FEAR OF GOD into anyone considering
stalking her?
Or maybe she just likes guns :)
>>>>> Wow, I want to make my own matchlock rifle!
>>>>>
>>>>You can buy kits thru the mail without a permit or any background checks.
>>>
>>>to make a real matchlock?¬? K4wl. I wonder If could get one back
>>>through customs.
>>>
>>You'd probably have to ship it by air-freight I'd guess. Your gun shop could
>>tell you how to get it home legally.
>
>Matchlock mechanisms themselves seem rather simple. Some of them just
>had an S shaped lever with a clip to hold the smouldering match.
>
Get some pipe and a hacksaw and get crackin...oh...and an anvil, torch, and
some tongs and a drill-press and...
>>>>>>>It's easier to smash the toy than to make a new one remember.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>+NRA types make me cry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now you've lost me...
>>>>>>0_o
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, There were a few "funny" people at the shooting club, I'm sure
>>>>>one knows the sort...
>>>>>
>>>>Um....comedians?
>>>
>>>The sort who buy lots and lots of knives and swords and guns.
>>>
>>Collectors? Plushie collectors give me the willies!
>
>There is something odd about grown men haveing stuffed toys. I have
>wally wale, From when I was little, Made from flannel. but that is
>all.
>
I have Wile E Coyote from when me mum saw him at a yard sale a few years back.
Iem teh freeky plush owner :(
>>>>>>>Well, I'm leaving on the 25th or sopemthing, I get a leaving present!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>You prolly will get a watch...they always give watches...
>>>>>
>>>>>The last person got a bottle of Cognac and a pot plant.
>>>>>
>>>>Courvasier? (sp?) I'll have to translate for the non British Speaking©
>>audience
>>>>that "pot plant" merely means "potted" plant.
>>>>I'd prefer a nice Rolex...
>>>
>>>Yes! Courvasier! how did you guess?
>>>
>>I kept hearing it mentioned in hip-hop music...so it was a guess, yes.
>
>Oh, I thought cognac was a sophiscated drink, not something that
>ganstas swig while driveing around in their soft tops.
>
They have the 'bling' and the 'blunts' and the 'ho's...
King Snuhw()1f
Scratch the Badger
<405d251a....@news.sysmatrix.net>:
Let your soul gravitate to the love y'all.
Where Is The Love?
Where Is the Love The Love The Love...
Dave The Pompous Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>>>>Counting the cars on the new jersey turnpike?
>>>>
>>>I dont know that song...
>>
>>America of course!
>>
>Life in the fast lane...
Your newsreader should be called Anubis, not Thoth. Thoth was just
some scribal god of knowledge, but anubis had a jackals head!
That makes him furry.
>>>>>>The thing is, I feel this need to justify it all, by visiting all
>>>>>>these historical places in order to get educated by the historical
>>>>>>expierence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Go to the Grand Canyon, Carlsbad Caverns, Mammoth Cave, the Alamo and
>Custer
>>>>>Battlefield National Monument.
>>>>
>>>>I'll go to look for america then.
>>>>
>>>Listening to Simon & Garfield?
>>
>>Richie Blackmore now.
>>
>Beats the Eagles...
IT's like folk rock, he's a guitart ghod(TM) but not so tedoiously
masturbationry as Vai or Malmsteen.
>>>>>>Besides, I don't think many of the peopel on this NG like me anyway.
>>>>>>*cries*
>>>>>>
>>>>>All the more reason to show up at their house :)
>>>>
>>>>I don't know where any of them live, I know what states and even towns
>>>>some of them live thanks to Geolocater though.
>>>>
>>>When you actually get ready to go just ask on th NG and see who volunteers to
>>>let you come over :) I'd think that some would be curious enough to want to
>>>meet you.
>>
>>I'm not acutally going traveling for about 2 and half to 3 months
>>mind, I'll be working in toronto for that time, mind you, since my
>>parents insist that I send them an e-mail when I do go traveling,
>>maybe I can do it then.
>>
>They want you to be safe. CANADA IS DANGEROUS!!!!
>Roving bands of hockey players have been beating up people...its atrocious.
Apparantly, They play hockey there and acutally find it enterainting!
Canadian hockey here appears on the 5th channel, at 2 o clock in the
morning.
>>>Oops! Yeap...no human rights violations here....
>>>
>>>>On an interview for the news, Colon powell said that they were not
>>>>mistreated "because we are americans".
>>>>
>>>ROTFLAMO! Being American now means that one is incapable of mistreating
>others.
>>>I guess he dosen't read any american newspapers.
>>
>>He ought to be sued for slander!
>>
>Heres the real deal:
>http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/03/10/osp_moveon/
>
>Its a long article but it details why we went to IRAQ in the first place...as
>told by an insider.Its the proverbial Smoking Gun that if it gets widespread
>media attention, will sink Bush's "re"-election.
>It blows the administrations cover story right outta the water...
The spanish goverment lied to. It claimed that the bombing in madrid
was the work of ETA (a native teroorist organisation) and said that
the they had "definitive evidence", howeveer, They knew within a few
hours that the explosive used was a saudi arabian brand. Yet they
still tried to claim that ETA did it.
They lied and paid the price, They got voted out.
>>>>>>fear no danger, Shirk no labour
>>>>>>Lift up rifle, pike and saber
>>>>>>To arms! To arms! to arms!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In dixie!
>>>>>>
>>>>>Friggin dixiecrats...thump that damn bible of theirs all the time...
>>>>>
>>>>>He knows the universe and does not know himself.
>>>>> -Jean de la Fontaine
>>>>
>>>>They know the price of everything, But the value of nothing?!
>>>>
>>>Virtue has never been as respectable as money.
>>> -Mark twain
>>
>>"Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone
>>lives"
>>
>Teach me to live that I may dread
>The grave as little as my bed.
>-Thomas Ken
"Faith, like a jackal, feeds among the tombs, and even
from these dead doubts she gathers her most vital hope."
>>>>>>>>>>I'm learning more about the world, As oppose to being shoved off to
>>>>>>>>>>university straight from school.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Uh huh. Go to Africa if you want to learn hard & fast.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What if I get robbed by people kept in poverty by western
>>>>>>>>corperations?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You'll learn *real* fast. You might find them warm & friendly tho...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But dieing from Aids.
>>>>>>
>>>>>True...not all but many. you could be a computer consultant with what you
>>>know.
>>>>>Since in comparason they know nothing.
>>>>
>>>>That would be dishonest though, Since I couldnt' fixa broken computer,
>>>>unless it was really simple.
>>>>
>>>Ok...lets test your knowledge.
>>>Do you know how to boot from a floppy?
>>>Do you know how to set up an email account?
>>>" " " set up a firewall?
>>>Check the system for IRQ conflicts?
>>>I bet you do :)
>>
>>Well, Yes, But I don't know about the solving of IRQ conflicts, I can
>>look at some control panel which says if they exist though.
>>
>Do you know how to use Windoze help? Then you can use teh L337 troubleshooter
>:)
>U R N XPRT!
Windows help never helped me.
>>>>>>>>>>Which of bushes taxs cuts will he be rolling back?
>>>
>>>>>>>Heh...theres an old law thats called the Minimum Taxable Amount clause
>that
>>>>>was
>>>>>>>originally designed to catch rich peeps who dont claim all their income.
>>>But
>>>>>>>its hitting the middle class with families hardest and missing the uber
>>>rich
>>>>>>>entirely.
>>>>>>>SO theres been only a 1/3 tax cut for most americans when you factor in
>the
>>>>>>>MTA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My father acutally earns less than me per hour, when taxes et al are
>>>>>>factored in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>0_o Whoa... but the benifits make up for it?
>>>>
>>>>Umm... well, if 60 pence per day for travel allowences coutn as
>>>>benefits, yes.
>>>>
>>>I meant like some kind of health & dental plan...a retirement account...
>>
>>Of course not, There is nothing like that.
>>
>Whoa. My dad got benni's from being a prof....funny that yours didnt.
Bennis? My father got to be bald by the time he was 40 if that helps.
>>>>>>There's going to be a drama Documentry on the BBC soon set in a
>>>>>>fictional future britian, Where rich people all live in gated
>>>>>>communitoies and poor people live in great urban slums.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Of course, They could always go to brazil to see it for real.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Or America :) I saw it happen in Tucson. Cities here become segragated like
>>>>>this: the rich live in gated communities in the suburbs and the foothills
>and
>>>>>the poor live in the urban center.
>>>>>This is your future America....*guaranteed* under Bush.
>>>>
>>>>That's happening here, I like to walk around "my" town and I cannot
>>>>resist pokeing around on the weekends at the new houseing
>>>>developments, But they are all huge mansions, and there's already a
>>>>large wall with an automatic gate going up.
>>>>
>>>Where are the rich people coming from to populate such housing?
>>
>>I dunno, But aparantly there are more than 1000 gated communities
>>across the UK ATM, Whats worrying is that some of them have their own
>>power gen, sewage, doctors and even private sectuirty guards, So the
>>police don't patrol them.
>>
>>Even worse, The goverment has said that they are "good" and that "more
>>should be built".
>>
>These walled self sufficient villages seem a bit like Lords & Serfs...
>hmmmmm.
well, perhaps people will in time "sell themselves" as it where, to a
corperation or rich person, and get houseing and food in exchange for
working for them forever.
I bet that this "indentured servitued" will be made legal or whatever
in the future, As people become too poor to even afford houses.
Why, Think about mexcian maids and stuff, It's pracitcaly done now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>North Dakota has no corp tax IIRC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>ND lacks a lot of things...a tolerable climate being one of them.
>>>>
>>>>It seems so odd that people in america can just up and move to another
>>>>part of the country, that is so different that it might as well be
>>>>another country, Someone moveing from new york to San Francisco would
>>>>be like a european moveing from London to Morroco or something like
>>>>that.
>>>>
>>>Its a big country but its getting harder to find places where you can escape
>>>from having to look at signs of human habitation. Parts of the west are still
>>>sparsely populated...thankfully :)
>>
>>I've never been anywhere here, I have never seen any place at all come
>>to think of it, where you cannot see the signs of human habitation.
>>
>I can't imagine it. Makes me shudder thinkin of it! Looking around, seeing
>nothing but nature, that makes me feel "safe" somehow knowing that theres still
>some land that hasn't been marred by the hand of man.
Sometimes It's nice, Like looking at a nice granite dam in wales, but
sometimes it's seeing coke cans out up on hills that are at least 3 or
4 miles from the nearest village.
>>>>>>>He insulted the GOP yesterday calling them "crooks". I'd say he's
>definitly
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>guy I want :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Did he call em' "War criminals"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Nope...just said they were a bunch of crooks :)
>>>>
>>>>Pity, I supposed since he voted for the war, He'd be incrimniateing
>>>>himself anyway.
>>>>
>>>Mmmm hmmm :)
>>
>>He did, He did.
>>
>Let the mud-slinging begin...
Noam Chomsky backed Kerry as "bush-lite" saying that kerry was
slihgtly better than bish.
>>>>>>>>>>You're going to die one day.
>>>>>>>>>>Why do you bother to get out of bed knowing that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Because I want to have a bit of fun before I go :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>When I die, Will I say: "I wish I had read more books"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Maybe...I'll probably be saying "I wish I'd gotten laid more..."
>>>>>>>:(
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I can be anything I want to be and do anything I want to, because I'm
>>>>>>young and have my whole life ahead of me!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>Yep.
>>>>
>>>>Er... No.
>>>>
>>>Why not? You're really a 45 yr old houswife in georgia who weighs 250 lbs???
>>
>>Because I am limited by my circumstances and wealth.
>>
>Well....I think its also attitudinal. I think I'm limited a lot by my
>persistent feelings of helplessness when I examine what others have done, how
>large collectives can crush opposition, that kind of thing.
When I look at my art, I think of people like Durer and weep and feel
crap.
I like the 16th century. Well, The art anyway. Going to Mexico and
spending 7 months on a mosquito infested island wainting for a ship to
come by does not appeal so much.
>>>>>>>>>I'm voting for Kerry :)
>>>>>>>>>YOu can just piss & moan about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>><insert lamer here>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>BLAM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>you hace been blam'd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>YOU R NO JOB WELFARE MAN!
>>>>>>
>>>>>IR BABOON!
>>>>>:)
>>>>
>>>>It must be nice not haveing to get up a 6.30 and then walking to work
>>>>like a zombie.
>>>>
>>>When I was working I always got up on time and being a morning person was
>>>usually more animated than the rest of the sloths I worked with :)
>>
>>I'm only a morning person when I don't have to work. I usueally fall
>>asleep at work in the mornings.
>>
>What kind of job lets you do that!?
A job where the bosses work in another building...
>>>>>I leave this laptop on 24/7 because I dont want to do a stone cold boot
>>>>>everyday and wear the bugger out.
>>>>>Theres energy star© features you can enable on most PCs. THe office lights
>>>>>should go *off* I agree.
>>>>
>>>>I turn my desktop off every day, it's still going fine after about 2
>>>>years. The computer downstairs gos on fine after 5 years.
>>>>
>>>The jury is still out on the leave em on or not issue...
>>>Mine stays on :)
>>>Uses about as much juice as a 15 watt light.
>>
>>Don't laptops get hot and burn out though?
>>
>No...the drive can be set to 'spin-down' after a set period of time. Its
>controlled in the Display Properties & Screen savers tab...this one wont wake
>properly after it goes to "sleep" so I just have the drive stop spinning and
>the screen blank out after 20 minutes of inactivity. If you have one that will
>sleep properly it uses about 2-5 watts of juice.
Well, That's not so bad I guess, I have an energy saveign bulb for my
room, it's like a little neon tube, I badgred my parents to get energy
saveing bulbs for the rest of the house but they said no.
>>>>>>>Heh eh heh heh eh...Neil Young announced that he was having all his tour
>>>>>busses
>>>>>>>converted to bio-diesel because it helps reduce the greenhouse problem.
>>>>>>>NEIL YOUNG R00lS!!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My mother likes him,...
>>>>>>
>>>>>He sang about the Kent State massacre...
>>>>>"four dead in Ohio..."
>>>>
>>>>He sort of heavy metal I think.
>>>>
>>>Sort of all over the rock spectrum. He was in Crosby Stills Nash &
>>>Young...remember? Thats more like classic & folk rock...but he's done hard
>rock
>>>stuff as well as country influenced and folksy stuff.
>>>Rockin in the Free World is good :)
>>
>>They relreased all his albums here, But they don't have them at the
>>local shop!
>>
>Picket the shop. Make signs and chant!
I thought about doing that for the local sportswear shop, but I think
policement would tell me to "move on"
>>>>>Black Lung was a 'orrible way to die...
>>>>>But you'd be suprised how much coal a 6 yr old can dig in a 16 hour day...
>>>>
>>>>I can clean two rooms in 3 hours!
>>>>
>>>How big a room? I used to clean five houses a day as a carpet
>>>cleaner...averaging about 3 rooms per house.
>>
>>They're about like 10 meters by 5.
>>
>Wow. Are you using a toothbrush and a sponge?
I suffer from a lack of decent wages. This makes me work very slowly
and never do anything unless specificaly instructed to do it.
>>>>Intereinstly enough, When the spainish and portuguese conqured the new
>>>>world, Most people were split into too camps, Either the natives were
>>>>horrible heathen savages who should be enslaved to teach them the
>>>>error of their ways, Or else they were pure and innocent noble savages
>>>>who should be educated by er... enslaveing them.
>>>>
>>>Make them like us!!!! Only without any rights...
>>
>>well, The incas planned to enslave the spainyards when they first
>>found the, But the spainyards pre-emtively masscared them. more than
>>7000 of them, each spainyward cilled about 15 indiands each for only
>>the loss of 5 spainwards in total.
>>
>Your disgraphia is amusing :)
>Technology beat the Incas. Its not like they were a peaceful & kind people
>though. Soccer matches where the loosing team dies is a bit harsh eh?
It's not funny! I have trouble distuguinshing left and right, I've
almost caused an accident while learning to drive cos of that.
I write "R" and "L" on my hands in black marker.
>>>>I think about two people maybe said that they were people "just like
>>>>us".
>>>>
>>>They were obviously ignored...
>>
>>I think it was the ships full of gold that did it.
>>
>Yes. But they still found time to fuck their women pleanty while calling the
>men heathens & kill em. Mexicans are mostly a mixture of spanish and Indian
>ancestors.
>Truly...the history of humanity is very inspireing.
Pizzaros brother ("juan" IIRC) took any women he wanted to bed. He
came to a bad end mind, He got beheaded.
>>>>>>>>Well ok then, I can't fualt Hope. I hope that things will get better
>>>>>>>>all the time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I used to think it was what keeps me going...now I know that its actually
>>>>>food
>>>>>>>& water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>and Cheap alchol? I could buy 500ml of 37.5% vodka for only $7 approx.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I gave up consuming large amounts in the 90's...
>>>>>you could get an early start on quitting now :)
>>>>
>>>>Well, IIRC the alchold age in canada is 19!! so I'll be dprived there
>>>>for two months.
>>>>
>>>Like you've been deprived of it where you are now?
>>>;)
>>
>>At the lecture, They said "most of your social life there will
>>revolved around alcohol"
>>
>So don't expect any better! JUST GIVE IN NOW!!!!!
>Lovely message.
What? It's a british tradition that at social functions you drink till
you're drunk. Also, It's rare to drink "for pleasure" people will
mostly drink to get drunk. Seriously, I've seen it first hand.
>>>>>>I made some pretty CUTTING remarks about his furvey methinks.
>>>>>>But he says he has some form of autism. I fear what will happen if
>>>>>>autistic people are allowed to reproduce.
>>>>>>
>>>>>You might want to get a copy of this months Atlantic Monthly then...it has
>a
>>>>>excellent article on the ethics of cloning and eugenics.
>>>>
>>>>We don't get that here, we have The New scientist and "medevil
>>>>history". it had an interesting article about Uroscopy.
>>>>
>>>Was it called, " A pictorial guide to the pee-hole"?
>>
>>They thought they could tel everything that was wrong with you, just
>>by looking at the color of your pee.
>>
>Ahhh...people have applied the same idea to the color of ones eyes.
>And bumps on the head...
>palmistry...
>facial types...tis all bunk!
Its still popular, Biometric tests et al.
>>>>>>The RMPS spy on people and invade their privacy and crossdress, So I
>>>>>>heard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>The crossdressing I can handle...spying is just rude however. I was under
>the
>>>>>impresssion that Canada has better privacy laws than the US does since the
>>>>>power grab that Ashcroft did post 9/11.
>>>>
>>>>Nah, They've got a new PM who wants to make canada more like american
>>>>and mend frences with bush. He also wants to make their military
>>>>bigger and do more oversreas intervention.
>>>>
>>>Stupidity must be catching over here on the continent...hmmm.
>>
>>Well, American newspaprs have been bashing spain for voteing out the
>>prime minsters who lied to them about the bombs, he blamed it on ETA,
>>when it was mostly likely islamic terorotists.
>>
>Or maybe a new temporary alliance of the two? I wonder if they realise that
>they (Spain) just rewarded "bad behavior"?
The spanish voted out the goverment that lied to them and created this
whole mess by suppprtong the iraq invasion.
OF course< bush and co hate the spanish for exceruiseing their
democratice right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The manicheans were people who said that jesus was both at once a
>>>>>>normal and man, but also the son of god at the same time, Nobody liked
>>>>>>them ever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They got packed off to china by the byzantines IIRC. I think thye
>>>>>>still have some followers there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>You really ought to look into teaching history at university.
>>>>>Really...
>>>>
>>>>IIRC, one does some teaching in the 4th year, Also, If I do a
>>>>postgraduate degree, I think you do some teaching them.
>>>>
>>>>Prboe, is, I don't know I can afford a Postgraduate degree, but I so
>>>>want to have a P.H.D, so that people wil call me "Dr. David"
>>>>
>>>Hey...what did I tell you? Only Rich People Deserve To Have Degrees.
>>>Now *dont* forget.
>>
>>I tried to apply to a college which takes more than 50% of it's intake
>>from private schools, but they didn't even reply.
>>
>Filling out applications for practice eh?
Well, UCAS did it all for me mind. I got into a uni anyway, The very
same one my father went to.
>>>>>>>>They don't even have to call elections every 4 years, They could in
>>>>>>>>theory stay as long as they want twithout calling an election.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Probably though, in 18 months time the next one. Blair out!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He's been slapped by that lady about bugging Hans Blix's office....and
>>>>>various
>>>>>>>other scandals...I wont miss the bugger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I won't be able to moan about him though :o(
>>>>>>However, he will probably either get in, or else the conservatives
>>>>>>will, and they are worse then he, so then I will have even more to
>>>>>>moan about!
>>>>>>
>>>>>The papers there are ripping him a new arsehole on the whole Iraq thing:
>>>>>http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1164326,00.html
>>>>
>>>>The guardian still supports him ultimatel,y It is the voice of the
>>>>bourgous.
>>>>
>>>I like the Independent :)
>>>I just found it the other day.
>>
>>They do that in a handbag sized edition! with extra small text.
>>
>It loads quickly. thats a big plus as far as Im concerned for news.
the WSWS loads as quick as you please.
Gamma Ray did a wired rap on their first album (wierd since htey're a
heavy metal band) about their "brothers in africa and cuba", but odlly
enough, They (gamma ray) are all white.
Hmmm.
>>>>>>You can just lock people in a room which is all white, Feed them white
>>>>>>rice on white plates and make them wear white clothes, Just like they
>>>>>>do in iran...
>>>>>>
>>>>>Sounds like science fiction...is there a point to it?
>>>>>Some sort of sensory deprivation?
>>>>>Sleep deprivation is the most effective "tool" in brainwashing IIRC.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, Sensory deprivation, They shine bright white light in 24 hours a
>>>>day, So bright that it's apparantly like you're in an endless white
>>>>space.
>>>>
>>>The innuit people would have a distinct advantage...
>>
>>Yeah, But I suspect even they, if they were not allowed to talk, read
>>or do anything but stay in there would go barmy.
>>
>So its also isolation. Might crack them...but you never know.
In guatnamo bay, while beating the prisoners, The guads schanted
something like "conform, conform, conform, don't resist, resisit".
Brain washing!
>>>>>>>I just abhore those who kill and claim that they're doing "gods work".
>>>>>>>Well if thats gods work let him do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think he is more than eager too, look at all those dead children.
>>>>>>
>>>>>But did "god" actually do it or was it people pretending to do "gods work"?
>>>>>I think people should quit trying to play god.
>>>>>I mean...if god exists and is all powerful, he would have the resources to
>do
>>>>>any necessary thing himself-directly.
>>>>
>>>>Why does he need worship if he is all powerful at all?
>>>>
>>>I bet you're right :)
>>
>>Being a priest is (or was) a good job in the days of youre. No
>>slaveing the fields. just going around mumbeling in a language that
>>common people didnt understand anyway (latin).
>>
>And collecting money for services and gay sex between boys & men...hmmm...
>well...maybe not *every* church did that...
>They were sometimes the only ones who were literate though.
WEll, IIRC at the time of the american civil war, something like 62%
of the uinion army were literate, Though boarderline. Theuir letters
had lots oss pelling mistakes and stuff.
>>>>>>Well, IT COULD BE WORSE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>How so?
>>>>
>>>>Well,
>>>>
>>>LOL! Hard to imagine?
>>
>>Maybe if hitler won world war 2 or something?
>>
>That would probably suck.
we'd still have bing crosbyt apparnatly though, accotrding to
thistorians.
>>>>>>>Jerusalem *is* really their city though...you have to admit...the wailing
>>>>>wall
>>>>>>>and all that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's part of the worlds CULTURAL HERITIGE. It belongs to us ALL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>One question: do the jews deserve a homeland?
>>>>
>>>>does anyone deserve a homeland just because of their relegion?
>>>>No.
>>>>
>>>Hmmmmm...arn't they claiming to be a distinct race or tribe as well?
>>>With a unique culture & yada yada yada?
>>
>>Well, you could say the same about the english and the welsh and the
>>scots, but we call tjhem "British".
>>
>The Irish seem to think they deserve a homeland.
iReland bloned to england till the 1920;'s you know.
>>>>The entire claim of the jewish relegion to that land is based upon a
>>>>"holy book".
>>>>
>>>And being driven from a bunch of other places...so they decided to make a
>>>stand...I really think they deserve something to call their own. Its a tiny
>>>country...
>>
>>my great grandparents were jews, so if anyone is ever nasty to me ever
>>again, they are a VICIOUS ANTISEMETIC NAZI!
>>
>Well sure you can say that if you're a member of any group that has sufferd
>opression you can always play the "race card" and make your critic an automatic
>bigot with no argumantative leg to stand on. I think people are wising up to
>the whole "poor me" I'm a member of group 'X' dont criticise me bit.
My great great great grandfather was a german jew!
>>>>>>>>we bought a 25 inch sony T.V secondhand for only £120 and a DVD player
>>>>>>>>and obscure french films to watch.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>With Subtitles!?!?!? All hail film noir.
>>>>>>>And cinema verite`.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One of them is artistic that there is no dialogue whatsoever. And
>>>>>>nothing much happens, Except soem french people rob a bank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>How very artistic! I'd like to see the Lion King 2.5 on dvd...its full of
>>>>>Timon's oddly jewish sounding relatives. I wonder why cartoons so often use
>>>>>stereotypes with respect to the dialog and accents for the characters.
>>>>>Must be a lazy writers crutch :)
>>>>
>>>>And a way of makeing the charecters "relate" to us more, Since you're
>>>>putting in something that we recognize as being charectersitly human.
>>>>
>>>I always prefered the science fiction that pushed the envelope: creatures
>that
>>>are gas clouds, crystal based...stuff that challenged your imagination.
>>
>>Hmmm, Gene Wolfes "book of the new sun" is pretty interesint, like
>>there are predators which absorb the concioness of those they eat, and
>>the charecter has an odd converstaion with one, or is the people it
>>has eaten eh?
>>
>Sounds kewl.
The book is a bit hard to understand though, The world has changed so
much that it's hard tor elated to and understand the way the future
people think and act.
Though I supporse, That is the whole point of it.
>>There's also an enture nation who are only tought in, speak and
>>communicate in propaganda.
>>
>>It's also set in the far future of earth, And the city of vast towers,
>>you eventually ralize that they are rockets.
>>
>Science fiction makes you think at least while it entertains you.
IAin M. Banks "the Culture" series are very lefty liberal.
They are set in a future civlisation where history has essentialy
ended, There is a perfect communist goverment controled by machines
which are infinately more inteligent and powerul than humans, but they
run this perfect worlds for humans just because it amuses them to.
>>>>>>>>Seriously, There was a guy quoted in yesterdays paper as saying how it
>>>>>>>>would be good for the local economy to have a prison built here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well...it does employ people...but when one puts economics abouve things
>>>like
>>>>>>>justice and liberty....something is gone very wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Heh, Again, In the newspapers here, There's details of a scheme
>>>>>>whereby Private corperations will "lend" some of their executives to
>>>>>>british prisons in order to help them be more profitable!?!!?
>>>>>>
>>>>>I wonder if historians will look back on the 20th century as some kind of
>>>>>second Dark Age?
>>>>>:(
>>>>
>>>>Maybe we will descend into a neo-fuedal dark age where people do
>>>>"indentured" work for corperations. they give you a roof and food and
>>>>in terutn, you work for them forever.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, with house prices what they are...
>>>>
>>>The coming of the two tiered social structure...
>>>BUT THINK OF THE LOW PRICES AT WALMART!!!!1111!!!!!
>>
>>I bought 4 pairs of trousers for just £4 each!
>>
>Theres a Walmart there too?!?!?!?
>AGGGGGHH!
Well, It's a wholly owned subsidery.
I found the vacumm cleaner in the storeoom and it was dusty anyway!
>>>>>>I will paint my soul red, white and blue!
>>>>>>
>>>>>You should go visit him and that Cougar fella :)
>>>>>Smyrgol is also on the east coast. I bet in Rl they'd be very pleasant
>>>actually
>>>>>and not beat you about the head with plushies ;)
>>>>
>>>>I don't want to.
>>>>
>>>You don't like them? Hmmmmm...so far no one has said anything to me on ALF
>that
>>>I'd personally hold against them and refuse to see them in RL. What happens
>on
>>>the net dosent always reflect a persons true character.
>>>And thats even with people telling me they'd "dance on my grave".
>>>Mheh...
>>
>>True. I will see. I will see.
>>
>MAybe they give you fursex?
>LOL!
Ewwwwww. Fursuits are creepy. Those eyes, those terrible eyes...
>>>>>
>>>>>Ummmm...most muzzle loaders IIRC have no cartrige. Just powder, wadding,
>>>ball,
>>>>>and more wadding. Flint-locks...you know...
>>>>
>>>>The powder came in a white packet which was called the "cartridge".
>>>>A lot of flint locks were converted to precussion locks, Then
>>>>converted back to flint locks when dealiers realise that they could
>>>>makes loads of money by selling "genuine flint locks" to gullbiel
>>>>people.
>>>>
>>>Well you know more about them than me :)
>>>Ive never fired one even.
>>
>>Oh, Well, I've never fired one either, but they're fascinateing,
>>Beacuse compared to Longbows, They were pants, they could penetrate
>>6mm of steel (i.e the best plate armour) at about 60 yards max,
>>Whereas a longbow could do it at about 250.
>>
>Interesting.
>
>>however, it took about 10 years to train someone to use a longbow, and
>>they had a 100lb draw, which had to be pulled out and sustained for a
>>few seconds, So you had to be very strong anyway.
>>
>Crossbows?
Very slow and they were expensive to make (they were made from
composites), mind you, By about 1530;s, They cod fire nearly 1000
yards and kill at that distance. But it was the priace, And they could
only fire at best, 1 shot per minuite, Whereas muskets could do 2 or
3.
>>Whereas anyone, can use a gun with a few hours training, and kill even
>>the most heavily armoured man with a sword.
>>
>>It's just odd, Fascinateing even, How that is.
>>
>Technology: bringing us bettter ways to kill.
Well,
>>>>>No one really needs guns if you look at it from a standpoint of "need".
>>>>>Exceptions being Police and sport hunters. But in a society that is free
>>>enough
>>>>>to allow its citizenry to own guns, it indicates a certain trust and
>attitude
>>>>>towards the ability of said citizenry to behave with that kind of power. It
>>>all
>>>>>boils down to an issue of trust: does the government *trust* its private
>>>>>citizens enough to let them carry a means of deadly force?
>>>>>I'd like to think so.
>>>>>:)
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, but machine guns are machine guns, A rifle is a rifle.
>>>>
>>>And a car is a car. I fail to see the subtle distinction you're trying to
>make.
>>
>>A Maxmim gun can fire something like 650 rounds per minute from 250
>>round belts. IIRC, the bullets are lethal at about 1000 yards.
>>
>I now see your distinction.
The idea of baptists owning them makes me cry.
>>>>
>>>>Well, They can afford people to carry them for them.
>>>>
>>>And afford better lawyers when things go wrong...I HACE FINALLY SEEN TEH
>>>LITE!!! ALL HAIL TEH RICH FOR TEHY ARE TEH BETTER AND GOD CHOSEN WONS!!!
>>>I feel so much better now knowing the truth :)
>>>I hace got teh inlitenment.
>>
>>Madonna had a media article where she talked about how she loved
>>shooting so much,.
>>
>Heh...I wonder if shes trying to put the FEAR OF GOD into anyone considering
>stalking her?
>Or maybe she just likes guns :)
Or the upper class image that pheastent shooting projects..
>>>>>> Wow, I want to make my own matchlock rifle!
>>>>>>
>>>>>You can buy kits thru the mail without a permit or any background checks.
>>>>
>>>>to make a real matchlock?¬? K4wl. I wonder If could get one back
>>>>through customs.
>>>>
>>>You'd probably have to ship it by air-freight I'd guess. Your gun shop could
>>>tell you how to get it home legally.
>>
>>Matchlock mechanisms themselves seem rather simple. Some of them just
>>had an S shaped lever with a clip to hold the smouldering match.
>>
>Get some pipe and a hacksaw and get crackin...oh...and an anvil, torch, and
>some tongs and a drill-press and...
I have a screwdriver and some scissors.
>>>>>>>>It's easier to smash the toy than to make a new one remember.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>+NRA types make me cry.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now you've lost me...
>>>>>>>0_o
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, There were a few "funny" people at the shooting club, I'm sure
>>>>>>one knows the sort...
>>>>>>
>>>>>Um....comedians?
>>>>
>>>>The sort who buy lots and lots of knives and swords and guns.
>>>>
>>>Collectors? Plushie collectors give me the willies!
>>
>>There is something odd about grown men haveing stuffed toys. I have
>>wally wale, From when I was little, Made from flannel. but that is
>>all.
>>
>I have Wile E Coyote from when me mum saw him at a yard sale a few years back.
>Iem teh freeky plush owner :(
my mother brought me a book about "growing up", I never raed it and
set fire to a bit of it once.
>>>>>>>>Well, I'm leaving on the 25th or sopemthing, I get a leaving present!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You prolly will get a watch...they always give watches...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The last person got a bottle of Cognac and a pot plant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Courvasier? (sp?) I'll have to translate for the non British Speaking©
>>>audience
>>>>>that "pot plant" merely means "potted" plant.
>>>>>I'd prefer a nice Rolex...
>>>>
>>>>Yes! Courvasier! how did you guess?
>>>>
>>>I kept hearing it mentioned in hip-hop music...so it was a guess, yes.
>>
>>Oh, I thought cognac was a sophiscated drink, not something that
>>ganstas swig while driveing around in their soft tops.
>>
>They have the 'bling' and the 'blunts' and the 'ho's...
I have a "shiv", or I did, But I threw it away cos sand got into the
mechanism.
§ńühwřŁf
<405ca80...@news.individual.net>:
>§ńühwřŁf <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>>>>Counting the cars on the new jersey turnpike?
>>>>>
>>>>I dont know that song...
>>>
>>>America of course!
>>>
>>Life in the fast lane...
>
>Your newsreader should be called Anubis, not Thoth. Thoth was just
>some scribal god of knowledge, but anubis had a jackals head!
>
>That makes him furry.
>
It makes Thoth furry as well...he had an Ibis' head IIRC.
>>>>>>>The thing is, I feel this need to justify it all, by visiting all
>>>>>>>these historical places in order to get educated by the historical
>>>>>>>expierence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Go to the Grand Canyon, Carlsbad Caverns, Mammoth Cave, the Alamo and
>>Custer
>>>>>>Battlefield National Monument.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'll go to look for america then.
>>>>>
>>>>Listening to Simon & Garfield?
>>>
>>>Richie Blackmore now.
>>>
>>Beats the Eagles...
>
>IT's like folk rock, he's a guitart ghod(TM) but not so tedoiously
>masturbationry as Vai or Malmsteen.
>
I've probably heard him...Vai isnt mastubatory...vertuoso maybe...
>>>>>>>Besides, I don't think many of the peopel on this NG like me anyway.
>>>>>>>*cries*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>All the more reason to show up at their house :)
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't know where any of them live, I know what states and even towns
>>>>>some of them live thanks to Geolocater though.
>>>>>
>>>>When you actually get ready to go just ask on th NG and see who volunteers
to
>>>>let you come over :) I'd think that some would be curious enough to want to
>>>>meet you.
>>>
>>>I'm not acutally going traveling for about 2 and half to 3 months
>>>mind, I'll be working in toronto for that time, mind you, since my
>>>parents insist that I send them an e-mail when I do go traveling,
>>>maybe I can do it then.
>>>
>>They want you to be safe. CANADA IS DANGEROUS!!!!
>>Roving bands of hockey players have been beating up people...its atrocious.
>
>Apparantly, They play hockey there and acutally find it enterainting!
>Canadian hockey here appears on the 5th channel, at 2 o clock in the
>morning.
>
I can't stand it- its stupid as that NASCAR shit...
>>>>Oops! Yeap...no human rights violations here....
>>>>
>>>>>On an interview for the news, Colon powell said that they were not
>>>>>mistreated "because we are americans".
>>>>>
>>>>ROTFLAMO! Being American now means that one is incapable of mistreating
>>others.
>>>>I guess he dosen't read any american newspapers.
>>>
>>>He ought to be sued for slander!
>>>
>>Heres the real deal:
>>http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/03/10/osp_moveon/
>>
>>Its a long article but it details why we went to IRAQ in the first place...as
>>told by an insider.Its the proverbial Smoking Gun that if it gets widespread
>>media attention, will sink Bush's "re"-election.
>>It blows the administrations cover story right outta the water...
>
>The spanish goverment lied to. It claimed that the bombing in madrid
>was the work of ETA (a native teroorist organisation) and said that
>the they had "definitive evidence", howeveer, They knew within a few
>hours that the explosive used was a saudi arabian brand. Yet they
>still tried to claim that ETA did it.
>
I got the impression that they thought that the groups had formed a temporary
alliance for the attack.
>They lied and paid the price, They got voted out.
>
I also thought it was because they supported having their forces in Iraq.
>>>>>>He knows the universe and does not know himself.
>>>>>> -Jean de la Fontaine
>>>>>
>>>>>They know the price of everything, But the value of nothing?!
>>>>>
>>>>Virtue has never been as respectable as money.
>>>> -Mark twain
>>>
>>>"Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone
>>>lives"
>>>
>>Teach me to live that I may dread
>>The grave as little as my bed.
>>-Thomas Ken
>
>"Faith, like a jackal, feeds among the tombs, and even
>from these dead doubts she gathers her most vital hope."
>
Faith which does not doubt is dead faith.
-Miguel de Unamuno
>>>>>That would be dishonest though, Since I couldnt' fixa broken computer,
>>>>>unless it was really simple.
>>>>>
>>>>Ok...lets test your knowledge.
>>>>Do you know how to boot from a floppy?
>>>>Do you know how to set up an email account?
>>>>" " " set up a firewall?
>>>>Check the system for IRQ conflicts?
>>>>I bet you do :)
>>>
>>>Well, Yes, But I don't know about the solving of IRQ conflicts, I can
>>>look at some control panel which says if they exist though.
>>>
>>Do you know how to use Windoze help? Then you can use teh L337 troubleshooter
>>:)
>>U R N XPRT!
>
>Windows help never helped me.
>
You gotta have faith?
;)
>>>>>>>My father acutally earns less than me per hour, when taxes et al are
>>>>>>>factored in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>0_o Whoa... but the benifits make up for it?
>>>>>
>>>>>Umm... well, if 60 pence per day for travel allowences coutn as
>>>>>benefits, yes.
>>>>>
>>>>I meant like some kind of health & dental plan...a retirement account...
>>>
>>>Of course not, There is nothing like that.
>>>
>>Whoa. My dad got benni's from being a prof....funny that yours didnt.
>
>Bennis? My father got to be bald by the time he was 40 if that helps.
>
Benifits=bennis. Baldness is just too much testosterone.
>>>>>That's happening here, I like to walk around "my" town and I cannot
>>>>>resist pokeing around on the weekends at the new houseing
>>>>>developments, But they are all huge mansions, and there's already a
>>>>>large wall with an automatic gate going up.
>>>>>
>>>>Where are the rich people coming from to populate such housing?
>>>
>>>I dunno, But aparantly there are more than 1000 gated communities
>>>across the UK ATM, Whats worrying is that some of them have their own
>>>power gen, sewage, doctors and even private sectuirty guards, So the
>>>police don't patrol them.
>>>
>>>Even worse, The goverment has said that they are "good" and that "more
>>>should be built".
>>>
>>These walled self sufficient villages seem a bit like Lords & Serfs...
>>hmmmmm.
>
>well, perhaps people will in time "sell themselves" as it where, to a
>corperation or rich person, and get houseing and food in exchange for
>working for them forever.
>
Theres some stupid new teevee show where people vie for favor with Donald Trump
and he gets to fire them...like a corporate version of 'Survivor'.
What an egomaniac.
>I bet that this "indentured servitued" will be made legal or whatever
>in the future, As people become too poor to even afford houses.
>
Thats what the military is for: push up unemployment to the level where people
become desperate enough to sign up.
>Why, Think about mexcian maids and stuff, It's pracitcaly done now.
>
And Bush wants to bring more in...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>North Dakota has no corp tax IIRC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>ND lacks a lot of things...a tolerable climate being one of them.
>>>>>
>>>>>It seems so odd that people in america can just up and move to another
>>>>>part of the country, that is so different that it might as well be
>>>>>another country, Someone moveing from new york to San Francisco would
>>>>>be like a european moveing from London to Morroco or something like
>>>>>that.
>>>>>
>>>>Its a big country but its getting harder to find places where you can
escape
>>>>from having to look at signs of human habitation. Parts of the west are
still
>>>>sparsely populated...thankfully :)
>>>
>>>I've never been anywhere here, I have never seen any place at all come
>>>to think of it, where you cannot see the signs of human habitation.
>>>
>>I can't imagine it. Makes me shudder thinkin of it! Looking around, seeing
>>nothing but nature, that makes me feel "safe" somehow knowing that theres
still
>>some land that hasn't been marred by the hand of man.
>
>Sometimes It's nice, Like looking at a nice granite dam in wales, but
>sometimes it's seeing coke cans out up on hills that are at least 3 or
>4 miles from the nearest village.
>
Yeah...trash has a way of spoiling ones veiw.
>>>>>>>>He insulted the GOP yesterday calling them "crooks". I'd say he's
>>definitly
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>guy I want :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Did he call em' "War criminals"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nope...just said they were a bunch of crooks :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Pity, I supposed since he voted for the war, He'd be incrimniateing
>>>>>himself anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>Mmmm hmmm :)
>>>
>>>He did, He did.
>>>
>>Let the mud-slinging begin...
>
>Noam Chomsky backed Kerry as "bush-lite" saying that kerry was
>slihgtly better than bish.
>
Where'd you see that?
>>>>>>>>>>>You're going to die one day.
>>>>>>>>>>>Why do you bother to get out of bed knowing that?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Because I want to have a bit of fun before I go :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>When I die, Will I say: "I wish I had read more books"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Maybe...I'll probably be saying "I wish I'd gotten laid more..."
>>>>>>>>:(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I can be anything I want to be and do anything I want to, because I'm
>>>>>>>young and have my whole life ahead of me!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yep.
>>>>>
>>>>>Er... No.
>>>>>
>>>>Why not? You're really a 45 yr old houswife in georgia who weighs 250
lbs???
>>>
>>>Because I am limited by my circumstances and wealth.
>>>
>>Well....I think its also attitudinal. I think I'm limited a lot by my
>>persistent feelings of helplessness when I examine what others have done, how
>>large collectives can crush opposition, that kind of thing.
>
>When I look at my art, I think of people like Durer and weep and feel
>crap.
>
LOL! Heh...look at Paul Klee then :)
Juan Miro...Marcel Duchamp.
>>>>>>>>You're the anti-fur.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm not anti-fur, Furry is my Smut fix!
>>>>>>>And, there's even one or two artists produceing cubist furry art.
>>>>>>>Neato!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Who!? I demand to know! Real art being furry themed!??! Well...there is
Bob
>>>>>>Drake...
>>>>>
>>>>>http://thomas-blue.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>some of it impresses me. I hate oils though, Acrylics yes.
>>>>>
>>>>Its not awe inspireing. Its good...but nothing really original. Since all
>>>>cubist art would be compared to Georges Bracque and Pablo Picasso
anyway...so
>>>>its derivative in that sense.
>>>><shrugs>
>>>
>>>I like woodcuts. They are teh k4wl.
>>>
>>Beats papercuts...get it? Heh...thats sooooo 15th century d00d...
>>I like Black & White photography...
>
>I like the 16th century. Well, The art anyway. Going to Mexico and
>spending 7 months on a mosquito infested island wainting for a ship to
>come by does not appeal so much.
>
I'm enamoured of the 1800's...the Old west where men were men and women didnt
shave their bits :)
A shootin iron & a bottle of whiskey and a gold claim...why thats all a man
needs by golly!
>>>>>>>YOU R NO JOB WELFARE MAN!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>IR BABOON!
>>>>>>:)
>>>>>
>>>>>It must be nice not haveing to get up a 6.30 and then walking to work
>>>>>like a zombie.
>>>>>
>>>>When I was working I always got up on time and being a morning person was
>>>>usually more animated than the rest of the sloths I worked with :)
>>>
>>>I'm only a morning person when I don't have to work. I usueally fall
>>>asleep at work in the mornings.
>>>
>>What kind of job lets you do that!?
>
>A job where the bosses work in another building...
>
Kewl. I liked the semi-autonomous aspect of driving around in a van and going
to peoples houses all by myself :)
I kept hoping that somwon would make a pass at me....but it never happened :(
>>>>>>I leave this laptop on 24/7 because I dont want to do a stone cold boot
>>>>>>everyday and wear the bugger out.
>>>>>>Theres energy starŠ features you can enable on most PCs. THe office
lights
>>>>>>should go *off* I agree.
>>>>>
>>>>>I turn my desktop off every day, it's still going fine after about 2
>>>>>years. The computer downstairs gos on fine after 5 years.
>>>>>
>>>>The jury is still out on the leave em on or not issue...
>>>>Mine stays on :)
>>>>Uses about as much juice as a 15 watt light.
>>>
>>>Don't laptops get hot and burn out though?
>>>
>>No...the drive can be set to 'spin-down' after a set period of time. Its
>>controlled in the Display Properties & Screen savers tab...this one wont wake
>>properly after it goes to "sleep" so I just have the drive stop spinning and
>>the screen blank out after 20 minutes of inactivity. If you have one that
will
>>sleep properly it uses about 2-5 watts of juice.
>
>Well, That's not so bad I guess, I have an energy saveign bulb for my
>room, it's like a little neon tube, I badgred my parents to get energy
>saveing bulbs for the rest of the house but they said no.
>
Tell them its really not a communist plot...
>>>>>>>>Heh eh heh heh eh...Neil Young announced that he was having all his
tour
>>>>>>busses
>>>>>>>>converted to bio-diesel because it helps reduce the greenhouse problem.
>>>>>>>>NEIL YOUNG R00lS!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My mother likes him,...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>He sang about the Kent State massacre...
>>>>>>"four dead in Ohio..."
>>>>>
>>>>>He sort of heavy metal I think.
>>>>>
>>>>Sort of all over the rock spectrum. He was in Crosby Stills Nash &
>>>>Young...remember? Thats more like classic & folk rock...but he's done hard
>>rock
>>>>stuff as well as country influenced and folksy stuff.
>>>>Rockin in the Free World is good :)
>>>
>>>They relreased all his albums here, But they don't have them at the
>>>local shop!
>>>
>>Picket the shop. Make signs and chant!
>
>I thought about doing that for the local sportswear shop, but I think
>policement would tell me to "move on"
>
Tell them you're a member of an oppressed minority then.
>>>>>>Black Lung was a 'orrible way to die...
>>>>>>But you'd be suprised how much coal a 6 yr old can dig in a 16 hour
day...
>>>>>
>>>>>I can clean two rooms in 3 hours!
>>>>>
>>>>How big a room? I used to clean five houses a day as a carpet
>>>>cleaner...averaging about 3 rooms per house.
>>>
>>>They're about like 10 meters by 5.
>>>
>>Wow. Are you using a toothbrush and a sponge?
>
>I suffer from a lack of decent wages. This makes me work very slowly
>and never do anything unless specificaly instructed to do it.
>
Heh eh heh eh heh...yeah...thats one thing about being on an hourly wage; you
tend to milk the clock.
>>>>>Intereinstly enough, When the spainish and portuguese conqured the new
>>>>>world, Most people were split into too camps, Either the natives were
>>>>>horrible heathen savages who should be enslaved to teach them the
>>>>>error of their ways, Or else they were pure and innocent noble savages
>>>>>who should be educated by er... enslaveing them.
>>>>>
>>>>Make them like us!!!! Only without any rights...
>>>
>>>well, The incas planned to enslave the spainyards when they first
>>>found the, But the spainyards pre-emtively masscared them. more than
>>>7000 of them, each spainyward cilled about 15 indiands each for only
>>>the loss of 5 spainwards in total.
>>>
>>Your disgraphia is amusing :)
>>Technology beat the Incas. Its not like they were a peaceful & kind people
>>though. Soccer matches where the loosing team dies is a bit harsh eh?
>
>It's not funny! I have trouble distuguinshing left and right, I've
>almost caused an accident while learning to drive cos of that.
>
ROTFLMAO! OMG!!! Heh...stick to public transportation then :)
>I write "R" and "L" on my hands in black marker.
>
Theres an easier way: muscle memory. Get a dumbell or weight set and have one
in each hand. Each time you lift one side say aloud the correct name for it;
right or left.
Or a punching bag; punch left, punch right...over & over.
>>>>>I think about two people maybe said that they were people "just like
>>>>>us".
>>>>>
>>>>They were obviously ignored...
>>>
>>>I think it was the ships full of gold that did it.
>>>
>>Yes. But they still found time to fuck their women pleanty while calling the
>>men heathens & kill em. Mexicans are mostly a mixture of spanish and Indian
>>ancestors.
>>Truly...the history of humanity is very inspireing.
>
>Pizzaros brother ("juan" IIRC) took any women he wanted to bed. He
>came to a bad end mind, He got beheaded.
>
For the orgys?
>>>>>Well, IIRC the alchold age in canada is 19!! so I'll be dprived there
>>>>>for two months.
>>>>>
>>>>Like you've been deprived of it where you are now?
>>>>;)
>>>
>>>At the lecture, They said "most of your social life there will
>>>revolved around alcohol"
>>>
>>So don't expect any better! JUST GIVE IN NOW!!!!!
>>Lovely message.
>
>What? It's a british tradition that at social functions you drink till
>you're drunk. Also, It's rare to drink "for pleasure" people will
>mostly drink to get drunk. Seriously, I've seen it first hand.
>
Me too. Its a drug epidemic. but a profitable one for the government, so they
allow it.
>>>>>We don't get that here, we have The New scientist and "medevil
>>>>>history". it had an interesting article about Uroscopy.
>>>>>
>>>>Was it called, " A pictorial guide to the pee-hole"?
>>>
>>>They thought they could tel everything that was wrong with you, just
>>>by looking at the color of your pee.
>>>
>>Ahhh...people have applied the same idea to the color of ones eyes.
>>And bumps on the head...
>>palmistry...
>>facial types...tis all bunk!
>
>Its still popular, Biometric tests et al.
>
Faith healing and homeopathic crap...
>>>>>>>The RMPS spy on people and invade their privacy and crossdress, So I
>>>>>>>heard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>The crossdressing I can handle...spying is just rude however. I was under
>>the
>>>>>>impresssion that Canada has better privacy laws than the US does since
the
>>>>>>power grab that Ashcroft did post 9/11.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nah, They've got a new PM who wants to make canada more like american
>>>>>and mend frences with bush. He also wants to make their military
>>>>>bigger and do more oversreas intervention.
>>>>>
>>>>Stupidity must be catching over here on the continent...hmmm.
>>>
>>>Well, American newspaprs have been bashing spain for voteing out the
>>>prime minsters who lied to them about the bombs, he blamed it on ETA,
>>>when it was mostly likely islamic terorotists.
>>>
>>Or maybe a new temporary alliance of the two? I wonder if they realise that
>>they (Spain) just rewarded "bad behavior"?
>
>The spanish voted out the goverment that lied to them and created this
>whole mess by suppprtong the iraq invasion.
>
I know...I'm a news addict...
>OF course< bush and co hate the spanish for exceruiseing their
>democratice right.
>
In a way it could send the wrong message to the terrorists: blow shit up, get
what you want.
>>>>>Prboe, is, I don't know I can afford a Postgraduate degree, but I so
>>>>>want to have a P.H.D, so that people wil call me "Dr. David"
>>>>>
>>>>Hey...what did I tell you? Only Rich People Deserve To Have Degrees.
>>>>Now *dont* forget.
>>>
>>>I tried to apply to a college which takes more than 50% of it's intake
>>>from private schools, but they didn't even reply.
>>>
>>Filling out applications for practice eh?
>
>Well, UCAS did it all for me mind. I got into a uni anyway, The very
>same one my father went to.
>
Take a class in arabic :) Work for MI6 or whatever they're called.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>The papers there are ripping him a new arsehole on the whole Iraq thing:
>>>>>>http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1164326,00.html
>>>>>
>>>>>The guardian still supports him ultimatel,y It is the voice of the
>>>>>bourgous.
>>>>>
>>>>I like the Independent :)
>>>>I just found it the other day.
>>>
>>>They do that in a handbag sized edition! with extra small text.
>>>
>>It loads quickly. thats a big plus as far as Im concerned for news.
>
>the WSWS loads as quick as you please.
>
Ah...the sundayjournal loads really slow but its not got any fancy jpgs.
I like this: www.dailyrotten.com
Lots of bands have tried to cash in on those feelings.
Might be genuine though...
>>>>>>>You can just lock people in a room which is all white, Feed them white
>>>>>>>rice on white plates and make them wear white clothes, Just like they
>>>>>>>do in iran...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sounds like science fiction...is there a point to it?
>>>>>>Some sort of sensory deprivation?
>>>>>>Sleep deprivation is the most effective "tool" in brainwashing IIRC.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, Sensory deprivation, They shine bright white light in 24 hours a
>>>>>day, So bright that it's apparantly like you're in an endless white
>>>>>space.
>>>>>
>>>>The innuit people would have a distinct advantage...
>>>
>>>Yeah, But I suspect even they, if they were not allowed to talk, read
>>>or do anything but stay in there would go barmy.
>>>
>>So its also isolation. Might crack them...but you never know.
>
>In guatnamo bay, while beating the prisoners, The guads schanted
>something like "conform, conform, conform, don't resist, resisit".
>
>Brain washing!
>
They gave water as a "reward". I think that says it all.
>>>>>>>>I just abhore those who kill and claim that they're doing "gods work".
>>>>>>>>Well if thats gods work let him do it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think he is more than eager too, look at all those dead children.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>But did "god" actually do it or was it people pretending to do "gods
work"?
>>>>>>I think people should quit trying to play god.
>>>>>>I mean...if god exists and is all powerful, he would have the resources
to
>>do
>>>>>>any necessary thing himself-directly.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why does he need worship if he is all powerful at all?
>>>>>
>>>>I bet you're right :)
>>>
>>>Being a priest is (or was) a good job in the days of youre. No
>>>slaveing the fields. just going around mumbeling in a language that
>>>common people didnt understand anyway (latin).
>>>
>>And collecting money for services and gay sex between boys & men...hmmm...
>>well...maybe not *every* church did that...
>>They were sometimes the only ones who were literate though.
>
>WEll, IIRC at the time of the american civil war, something like 62%
>of the uinion army were literate, Though boarderline. Theuir letters
>had lots oss pelling mistakes and stuff.
>
Much like yours :) Our literacy rate trails Cubas...which is 92% IIRC.
>>>>>>>Well, IT COULD BE WORSE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>How so?
>>>>>
>>>>>Well,
>>>>>
>>>>LOL! Hard to imagine?
>>>
>>>Maybe if hitler won world war 2 or something?
>>>
>>That would probably suck.
>
>we'd still have bing crosbyt apparnatly though, accotrding to
>thistorians.
>
Just his head? In a tank with tubes and wires?
>>>>>>>>Jerusalem *is* really their city though...you have to admit...the
wailing
>>>>>>wall
>>>>>>>>and all that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's part of the worlds CULTURAL HERITIGE. It belongs to us ALL.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>One question: do the jews deserve a homeland?
>>>>>
>>>>>does anyone deserve a homeland just because of their relegion?
>>>>>No.
>>>>>
>>>>Hmmmmm...arn't they claiming to be a distinct race or tribe as well?
>>>>With a unique culture & yada yada yada?
>>>
>>>Well, you could say the same about the english and the welsh and the
>>>scots, but we call tjhem "British".
>>>
>>The Irish seem to think they deserve a homeland.
>
>iReland bloned to england till the 1920;'s you know.
>
1916 they had a meeting at the post office...shots were fired...you could say
the Irish went postal ;)
>>>>>The entire claim of the jewish relegion to that land is based upon a
>>>>>"holy book".
>>>>>
>>>>And being driven from a bunch of other places...so they decided to make a
>>>>stand...I really think they deserve something to call their own. Its a tiny
>>>>country...
>>>
>>>my great grandparents were jews, so if anyone is ever nasty to me ever
>>>again, they are a VICIOUS ANTISEMETIC NAZI!
>>>
>>Well sure you can say that if you're a member of any group that has sufferd
>>opression you can always play the "race card" and make your critic an
automatic
>>bigot with no argumantative leg to stand on. I think people are wising up to
>>the whole "poor me" I'm a member of group 'X' dont criticise me bit.
>
>My great great great grandfather was a german jew!
>
Ok. I can trace my roots back to some clown who started a pesant revolt in the
1300's. Wat Tyler.
Also related to teh Hershey Candy family...but on the poor side of course :(
>>>>I always prefered the science fiction that pushed the envelope: creatures
>>that
>>>>are gas clouds, crystal based...stuff that challenged your imagination.
>>>
>>>Hmmm, Gene Wolfes "book of the new sun" is pretty interesint, like
>>>there are predators which absorb the concioness of those they eat, and
>>>the charecter has an odd converstaion with one, or is the people it
>>>has eaten eh?
>>>
>>Sounds kewl.
>
>The book is a bit hard to understand though, The world has changed so
>much that it's hard tor elated to and understand the way the future
>people think and act.
>
>Though I supporse, That is the whole point of it.
>
Exactly. Why shouldn't there be a cultural revolution between now and 3000?
Maybe women rise to power?
>>>There's also an enture nation who are only tought in, speak and
>>>communicate in propaganda.
>>>
>>>It's also set in the far future of earth, And the city of vast towers,
>>>you eventually ralize that they are rockets.
>>>
>>Science fiction makes you think at least while it entertains you.
>
>IAin M. Banks "the Culture" series are very lefty liberal.
>
>They are set in a future civlisation where history has essentialy
>ended, There is a perfect communist goverment controled by machines
>which are infinately more inteligent and powerul than humans, but they
>run this perfect worlds for humans just because it amuses them to.
>
I need to read me sum Sci Fi...again.
>>>>>>I wonder if historians will look back on the 20th century as some kind of
>>>>>>second Dark Age?
>>>>>>:(
>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe we will descend into a neo-fuedal dark age where people do
>>>>>"indentured" work for corperations. they give you a roof and food and
>>>>>in terutn, you work for them forever.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, with house prices what they are...
>>>>>
>>>>The coming of the two tiered social structure...
>>>>BUT THINK OF THE LOW PRICES AT WALMART!!!!1111!!!!!
>>>
>>>I bought 4 pairs of trousers for just Ł4 each!
>>>
>>Theres a Walmart there too?!?!?!?
>>AGGGGGHH!
>
>Well, It's a wholly owned subsidery.
>
But its got the logo and everything!?!? they have been doing a lot of damage
control ads here on teevee about how Walmart is so great to work for and they
are sponsors of this & that charity.
Its so damn obvious...
>>>>The warping of your mind? I was joking...but really....carpets just *wont*
>>come
>>>>clean unless you use a pre-treatment to loosen the soil :)
>>>
>>>Ah, That would explain why the carpet cleaning at work never worked.
>>>The boss insisted, So I did it, But even though it smelt nice after,
>>>it didn't acuitally look much better. I pretended it did though and
>>>said that it was a really good idea for him to have me do that and
>>>stuff.
>>>
>>Unless you have harsh chemicals, very hot water, and powerful vaccuming to
suck
>>it all up, you dont get a good job.
>>More power is better.
>
>I found the vacumm cleaner in the storeoom and it was dusty anyway!
>
0_o
>>>>>>>I will paint my soul red, white and blue!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>You should go visit him and that Cougar fella :)
>>>>>>Smyrgol is also on the east coast. I bet in Rl they'd be very pleasant
>>>>actually
>>>>>>and not beat you about the head with plushies ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't want to.
>>>>>
>>>>You don't like them? Hmmmmm...so far no one has said anything to me on ALF
>>that
>>>>I'd personally hold against them and refuse to see them in RL. What happens
>>on
>>>>the net dosent always reflect a persons true character.
>>>>And thats even with people telling me they'd "dance on my grave".
>>>>Mheh...
>>>
>>>True. I will see. I will see.
>>>
>>MAybe they give you fursex?
>>LOL!
>
>Ewwwwww. Fursuits are creepy. Those eyes, those terrible eyes...
>
Like giant versions of the Snuggle Fabric Softener bear...
EEeeeeeeeeeeviiiiiiiiiLLLLLLL!!!
>>>Oh, Well, I've never fired one either, but they're fascinateing,
>>>Beacuse compared to Longbows, They were pants, they could penetrate
>>>6mm of steel (i.e the best plate armour) at about 60 yards max,
>>>Whereas a longbow could do it at about 250.
>>>
>>Interesting.
>>
>>>however, it took about 10 years to train someone to use a longbow, and
>>>they had a 100lb draw, which had to be pulled out and sustained for a
>>>few seconds, So you had to be very strong anyway.
>>>
>>Crossbows?
>
>Very slow and they were expensive to make (they were made from
>composites), mind you, By about 1530;s, They cod fire nearly 1000
>yards and kill at that distance. But it was the priace, And they could
>only fire at best, 1 shot per minuite, Whereas muskets could do 2 or
>3.
>
ANd then came the Gattling Gun....
>>>Whereas anyone, can use a gun with a few hours training, and kill even
>>>the most heavily armoured man with a sword.
>>>
>>>It's just odd, Fascinateing even, How that is.
>>>
>>Technology: bringing us bettter ways to kill.
>
>Well,
>
And live too I guess, he said begrudgingly.
>>>>>Yeah, but machine guns are machine guns, A rifle is a rifle.
>>>>>
>>>>And a car is a car. I fail to see the subtle distinction you're trying to
>>make.
>>>
>>>A Maxmim gun can fire something like 650 rounds per minute from 250
>>>round belts. IIRC, the bullets are lethal at about 1000 yards.
>>>
>>I now see your distinction.
>
>The idea of baptists owning them makes me cry.
>
Baptists aren't so bad...evangelicals though! Ask them if a jew can get to
heaven some time :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, They can afford people to carry them for them.
>>>>>
>>>>And afford better lawyers when things go wrong...I HACE FINALLY SEEN TEH
>>>>LITE!!! ALL HAIL TEH RICH FOR TEHY ARE TEH BETTER AND GOD CHOSEN WONS!!!
>>>>I feel so much better now knowing the truth :)
>>>>I hace got teh inlitenment.
>>>
>>>Madonna had a media article where she talked about how she loved
>>>shooting so much,.
>>>
>>Heh...I wonder if shes trying to put the FEAR OF GOD into anyone considering
>>stalking her?
>>Or maybe she just likes guns :)
>
>Or the upper class image that pheastent shooting projects..
>
And those friggin fox hunters...Madonna in riding boots and crop?
Only if shes topless :)
>>>>>>> Wow, I want to make my own matchlock rifle!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>You can buy kits thru the mail without a permit or any background checks.
>>>>>
>>>>>to make a real matchlock?Ź? K4wl. I wonder If could get one back
>>>>>through customs.
>>>>>
>>>>You'd probably have to ship it by air-freight I'd guess. Your gun shop
could
>>>>tell you how to get it home legally.
>>>
>>>Matchlock mechanisms themselves seem rather simple. Some of them just
>>>had an S shaped lever with a clip to hold the smouldering match.
>>>
>>Get some pipe and a hacksaw and get crackin...oh...and an anvil, torch, and
>>some tongs and a drill-press and...
>
>I have a screwdriver and some scissors.
>
Its a start.
>>>>>>>>>It's easier to smash the toy than to make a new one remember.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>+NRA types make me cry.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Now you've lost me...
>>>>>>>>0_o
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, There were a few "funny" people at the shooting club, I'm sure
>>>>>>>one knows the sort...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Um....comedians?
>>>>>
>>>>>The sort who buy lots and lots of knives and swords and guns.
>>>>>
>>>>Collectors? Plushie collectors give me the willies!
>>>
>>>There is something odd about grown men haveing stuffed toys. I have
>>>wally wale, From when I was little, Made from flannel. but that is
>>>all.
>>>
>>I have Wile E Coyote from when me mum saw him at a yard sale a few years
back.
>>Iem teh freeky plush owner :(
>
>my mother brought me a book about "growing up", I never raed it and
>set fire to a bit of it once.
>
Is that a thinly veiled criticism? I'll be forced to impose a furry 30 day shun
on you.
>>>>>>>>>Well, I'm leaving on the 25th or sopemthing, I get a leaving present!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You prolly will get a watch...they always give watches...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The last person got a bottle of Cognac and a pot plant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Courvasier? (sp?) I'll have to translate for the non British SpeakingŠ
>>>>audience
>>>>>>that "pot plant" merely means "potted" plant.
>>>>>>I'd prefer a nice Rolex...
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes! Courvasier! how did you guess?
>>>>>
>>>>I kept hearing it mentioned in hip-hop music...so it was a guess, yes.
>>>
>>>Oh, I thought cognac was a sophiscated drink, not something that
>>>ganstas swig while driveing around in their soft tops.
>>>
>>They have the 'bling' and the 'blunts' and the 'ho's...
>
>I have a "shiv", or I did, But I threw it away cos sand got into the
>mechanism.
>
A "shiv" is any knife, not limited to switchblades & stillettos :)
FYI
I've had both...but I always wore out the mechanism playing with them :(
King Snuhw()1f
Dave The Stinky Were-Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>>him.
>>
>>>>>>Counting the cars on the new jersey turnpike?
>>>>>>
>>>>>I dont know that song...
>>>>
>>>>America of course!
>>>>
>>>Life in the fast lane...
>>
>>Your newsreader should be called Anubis, not Thoth. Thoth was just
>>some scribal god of knowledge, but anubis had a jackals head!
>>
>>That makes him furry.
>>
>It makes Thoth furry as well...he had an Ibis' head IIRC.
well, his statue was blue. BLUE!
>>>>>>>>The thing is, I feel this need to justify it all, by visiting all
>>>>>>>>these historical places in order to get educated by the historical
>>>>>>>>expierence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Go to the Grand Canyon, Carlsbad Caverns, Mammoth Cave, the Alamo and
>>>Custer
>>>>>>>Battlefield National Monument.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'll go to look for america then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Listening to Simon & Garfield?
>>>>
>>>>Richie Blackmore now.
>>>>
>>>Beats the Eagles...
>>
>>IT's like folk rock, he's a guitart ghod(TM) but not so tedoiously
>>masturbationry as Vai or Malmsteen.
>>
>I've probably heard him...Vai isnt mastubatory...vertuoso maybe...
Malmsteen is. It's like wee wee wee, but with guitars.
>>>>>>>>Besides, I don't think many of the peopel on this NG like me anyway.
>>>>>>>>*cries*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>All the more reason to show up at their house :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't know where any of them live, I know what states and even towns
>>>>>>some of them live thanks to Geolocater though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>When you actually get ready to go just ask on th NG and see who volunteers
>to
>>>>>let you come over :) I'd think that some would be curious enough to want to
>>>>>meet you.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not acutally going traveling for about 2 and half to 3 months
>>>>mind, I'll be working in toronto for that time, mind you, since my
>>>>parents insist that I send them an e-mail when I do go traveling,
>>>>maybe I can do it then.
>>>>
>>>They want you to be safe. CANADA IS DANGEROUS!!!!
>>>Roving bands of hockey players have been beating up people...its atrocious.
>>
>>Apparantly, They play hockey there and acutally find it enterainting!
>>Canadian hockey here appears on the 5th channel, at 2 o clock in the
>>morning.
>>
>I can't stand it- its stupid as that NASCAR shit...
Is that where they race round and round in an endless loop forever?
>>>>>Oops! Yeap...no human rights violations here....
>>>>>
>>>>>>On an interview for the news, Colon powell said that they were not
>>>>>>mistreated "because we are americans".
>>>>>>
>>>>>ROTFLAMO! Being American now means that one is incapable of mistreating
>>>others.
>>>>>I guess he dosen't read any american newspapers.
>>>>
>>>>He ought to be sued for slander!
>>>>
>>>Heres the real deal:
>>>http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/03/10/osp_moveon/
>>>
>>>Its a long article but it details why we went to IRAQ in the first place...as
>>>told by an insider.Its the proverbial Smoking Gun that if it gets widespread
>>>media attention, will sink Bush's "re"-election.
>>>It blows the administrations cover story right outta the water...
>>
>>The spanish goverment lied to. It claimed that the bombing in madrid
>>was the work of ETA (a native teroorist organisation) and said that
>>the they had "definitive evidence", howeveer, They knew within a few
>>hours that the explosive used was a saudi arabian brand. Yet they
>>still tried to claim that ETA did it.
>>
>I got the impression that they thought that the groups had formed a temporary
>alliance for the attack.
>
>>They lied and paid the price, They got voted out.
>>
>I also thought it was because they supported having their forces in Iraq.
I doubt that they would ally together, That's probably just more
goverment lies to try and cover their backs. When it coems to the
"war" on terro, You just cannot trust a word of goverments.
>>>>>>>He knows the universe and does not know himself.
>>>>>>> -Jean de la Fontaine
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They know the price of everything, But the value of nothing?!
>>>>>>
>>>>>Virtue has never been as respectable as money.
>>>>> -Mark twain
>>>>
>>>>"Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone
>>>>lives"
>>>>
>>>Teach me to live that I may dread
>>>The grave as little as my bed.
>>>-Thomas Ken
>>
>>"Faith, like a jackal, feeds among the tombs, and even
>>from these dead doubts she gathers her most vital hope."
>>
>Faith which does not doubt is dead faith.
> -Miguel de Unamuno
Audentis Fortuna iuvat
>>>>>>That would be dishonest though, Since I couldnt' fixa broken computer,
>>>>>>unless it was really simple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Ok...lets test your knowledge.
>>>>>Do you know how to boot from a floppy?
>>>>>Do you know how to set up an email account?
>>>>>" " " set up a firewall?
>>>>>Check the system for IRQ conflicts?
>>>>>I bet you do :)
>>>>
>>>>Well, Yes, But I don't know about the solving of IRQ conflicts, I can
>>>>look at some control panel which says if they exist though.
>>>>
>>>Do you know how to use Windoze help? Then you can use teh L337 troubleshooter
>>>:)
>>>U R N XPRT!
>>
>>Windows help never helped me.
>>
>You gotta have faith?
>;)
Oh! Oh! I installed some new drivers for my grahpics card and it made
the system unstable! whenever I tried to save anything for some
reason, It would just crash.
I rolled back the drivers and now it works fine!
>>>>>>>>My father acutally earns less than me per hour, when taxes et al are
>>>>>>>>factored in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>0_o Whoa... but the benifits make up for it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Umm... well, if 60 pence per day for travel allowences coutn as
>>>>>>benefits, yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I meant like some kind of health & dental plan...a retirement account...
>>>>
>>>>Of course not, There is nothing like that.
>>>>
>>>Whoa. My dad got benni's from being a prof....funny that yours didnt.
>>
>>Bennis? My father got to be bald by the time he was 40 if that helps.
>>
>Benifits=bennis. Baldness is just too much testosterone.
And stress!
>>>>>>That's happening here, I like to walk around "my" town and I cannot
>>>>>>resist pokeing around on the weekends at the new houseing
>>>>>>developments, But they are all huge mansions, and there's already a
>>>>>>large wall with an automatic gate going up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Where are the rich people coming from to populate such housing?
>>>>
>>>>I dunno, But aparantly there are more than 1000 gated communities
>>>>across the UK ATM, Whats worrying is that some of them have their own
>>>>power gen, sewage, doctors and even private sectuirty guards, So the
>>>>police don't patrol them.
>>>>
>>>>Even worse, The goverment has said that they are "good" and that "more
>>>>should be built".
>>>>
>>>These walled self sufficient villages seem a bit like Lords & Serfs...
>>>hmmmmm.
>>
>>well, perhaps people will in time "sell themselves" as it where, to a
>>corperation or rich person, and get houseing and food in exchange for
>>working for them forever.
>>
>Theres some stupid new teevee show where people vie for favor with Donald Trump
>and he gets to fire them...like a corporate version of 'Survivor'.
>What an egomaniac.
And what sort of sniveliny weaseal would want to take part?
They deserve everytyhin they get, But I object to it appearing on T.V.
>>I bet that this "indentured servitued" will be made legal or whatever
>>in the future, As people become too poor to even afford houses.
>>
>Thats what the military is for: push up unemployment to the level where people
>become desperate enough to sign up.
>
>>Why, Think about mexcian maids and stuff, It's pracitcaly done now.
>>
>And Bush wants to bring more in...
And there is the fear of latinos and hispanics. I read articles in the
newspapers about how americans will be OVERWHELMED with them.
I think it's white people being scared of what they did to everyone
else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>North Dakota has no corp tax IIRC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>ND lacks a lot of things...a tolerable climate being one of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It seems so odd that people in america can just up and move to another
>>>>>>part of the country, that is so different that it might as well be
>>>>>>another country, Someone moveing from new york to San Francisco would
>>>>>>be like a european moveing from London to Morroco or something like
>>>>>>that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Its a big country but its getting harder to find places where you can
>escape
>>>>>from having to look at signs of human habitation. Parts of the west are
>still
>>>>>sparsely populated...thankfully :)
>>>>
>>>>I've never been anywhere here, I have never seen any place at all come
>>>>to think of it, where you cannot see the signs of human habitation.
>>>>
>>>I can't imagine it. Makes me shudder thinkin of it! Looking around, seeing
>>>nothing but nature, that makes me feel "safe" somehow knowing that theres
>still
>>>some land that hasn't been marred by the hand of man.
>>
>>Sometimes It's nice, Like looking at a nice granite dam in wales, but
>>sometimes it's seeing coke cans out up on hills that are at least 3 or
>>4 miles from the nearest village.
>>
>Yeah...trash has a way of spoiling ones veiw.
Sometimes the lorries carrying away gravel and stuff from the local
gravel quarrus are so overloaded it spills on the road. That happend
once while I was driveing, but it wasn't going anywhere near me
thankgod.
>>>>>>>>>He insulted the GOP yesterday calling them "crooks". I'd say he's
>>>definitly
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>guy I want :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Did he call em' "War criminals"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nope...just said they were a bunch of crooks :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Pity, I supposed since he voted for the war, He'd be incrimniateing
>>>>>>himself anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Mmmm hmmm :)
>>>>
>>>>He did, He did.
>>>>
>>>Let the mud-slinging begin...
>>
>>Noam Chomsky backed Kerry as "bush-lite" saying that kerry was
>>slihgtly better than bish.
>>
>Where'd you see that?
In the "guardian" it was a few days ago. Saturday I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>You're going to die one day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Why do you bother to get out of bed knowing that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Because I want to have a bit of fun before I go :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>When I die, Will I say: "I wish I had read more books"?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Maybe...I'll probably be saying "I wish I'd gotten laid more..."
>>>>>>>>>:(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I can be anything I want to be and do anything I want to, because I'm
>>>>>>>>young and have my whole life ahead of me!!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yep.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Er... No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Why not? You're really a 45 yr old houswife in georgia who weighs 250
>lbs???
>>>>
>>>>Because I am limited by my circumstances and wealth.
>>>>
>>>Well....I think its also attitudinal. I think I'm limited a lot by my
>>>persistent feelings of helplessness when I examine what others have done, how
>>>large collectives can crush opposition, that kind of thing.
>>
>>When I look at my art, I think of people like Durer and weep and feel
>>crap.
>>
>LOL! Heh...look at Paul Klee then :)
>Juan Miro...Marcel Duchamp.
I feel slighty better, but I know of 15 year olds with "innate talent"
who are better than I. It uis humial;uiteing, I hope they die die die
die. That would be nice.
>>>>>>>>>You're the anti-fur.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm not anti-fur, Furry is my Smut fix!
>>>>>>>>And, there's even one or two artists produceing cubist furry art.
>>>>>>>>Neato!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Who!? I demand to know! Real art being furry themed!??! Well...there is
>Bob
>>>>>>>Drake...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://thomas-blue.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>some of it impresses me. I hate oils though, Acrylics yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Its not awe inspireing. Its good...but nothing really original. Since all
>>>>>cubist art would be compared to Georges Bracque and Pablo Picasso
>anyway...so
>>>>>its derivative in that sense.
>>>>><shrugs>
>>>>
>>>>I like woodcuts. They are teh k4wl.
>>>>
>>>Beats papercuts...get it? Heh...thats sooooo 15th century d00d...
>>>I like Black & White photography...
>>
>>I like the 16th century. Well, The art anyway. Going to Mexico and
>>spending 7 months on a mosquito infested island wainting for a ship to
>>come by does not appeal so much.
>>
>I'm enamoured of the 1800's...the Old west where men were men and women didnt
>shave their bits :)
>A shootin iron & a bottle of whiskey and a gold claim...why thats all a man
>needs by golly!
It seems to occupy a perculiar place in the ameircan concioness, I bet
when I do american studies I'll have to do essays about it.
though read "lonesome dove", that takes away the romeance.
FWIW, IIRC I remember rading in some book about how some french bloke
in the 18th century did a survey of prostitues in his town (in the
interests of science of course) and reporting that about 1/4th of them
had hairy nipples.
>>>>>>>>YOU R NO JOB WELFARE MAN!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>IR BABOON!
>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It must be nice not haveing to get up a 6.30 and then walking to work
>>>>>>like a zombie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>When I was working I always got up on time and being a morning person was
>>>>>usually more animated than the rest of the sloths I worked with :)
>>>>
>>>>I'm only a morning person when I don't have to work. I usueally fall
>>>>asleep at work in the mornings.
>>>>
>>>What kind of job lets you do that!?
>>
>>A job where the bosses work in another building...
>>
>Kewl. I liked the semi-autonomous aspect of driving around in a van and going
>to peoples houses all by myself :)
>I kept hoping that somwon would make a pass at me....but it never happened :(
WEll, perhaps people cut across at roundabouts?
>>>>>>>I leave this laptop on 24/7 because I dont want to do a stone cold boot
>>>>>>>everyday and wear the bugger out.
>>>>>>>Theres energy star© features you can enable on most PCs. THe office
>lights
>>>>>>>should go *off* I agree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I turn my desktop off every day, it's still going fine after about 2
>>>>>>years. The computer downstairs gos on fine after 5 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>The jury is still out on the leave em on or not issue...
>>>>>Mine stays on :)
>>>>>Uses about as much juice as a 15 watt light.
>>>>
>>>>Don't laptops get hot and burn out though?
>>>>
>>>No...the drive can be set to 'spin-down' after a set period of time. Its
>>>controlled in the Display Properties & Screen savers tab...this one wont wake
>>>properly after it goes to "sleep" so I just have the drive stop spinning and
>>>the screen blank out after 20 minutes of inactivity. If you have one that
>will
>>>sleep properly it uses about 2-5 watts of juice.
>>
>>Well, That's not so bad I guess, I have an energy saveign bulb for my
>>room, it's like a little neon tube, I badgred my parents to get energy
>>saveing bulbs for the rest of the house but they said no.
>>
>Tell them its really not a communist plot...
The council give grants for energy effiency stuff, but to save money,
they stopped. But surely, In the end it will save more moeny to have
engery saveing since less electricity et al?!?!
>>>>>>>>>Heh eh heh heh eh...Neil Young announced that he was having all his
>tour
>>>>>>>busses
>>>>>>>>>converted to bio-diesel because it helps reduce the greenhouse problem.
>>>>>>>>>NEIL YOUNG R00lS!!!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My mother likes him,...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He sang about the Kent State massacre...
>>>>>>>"four dead in Ohio..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He sort of heavy metal I think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Sort of all over the rock spectrum. He was in Crosby Stills Nash &
>>>>>Young...remember? Thats more like classic & folk rock...but he's done hard
>>>rock
>>>>>stuff as well as country influenced and folksy stuff.
>>>>>Rockin in the Free World is good :)
>>>>
>>>>They relreased all his albums here, But they don't have them at the
>>>>local shop!
>>>>
>>>Picket the shop. Make signs and chant!
>>
>>I thought about doing that for the local sportswear shop, but I think
>>policement would tell me to "move on"
>>
>Tell them you're a member of an oppressed minority then.
I don't think jews are very opressed, It's the arabs who are opressed
now.
Arabs are the new jews!
>>>>>>>Black Lung was a 'orrible way to die...
>>>>>>>But you'd be suprised how much coal a 6 yr old can dig in a 16 hour
>day...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I can clean two rooms in 3 hours!
>>>>>>
>>>>>How big a room? I used to clean five houses a day as a carpet
>>>>>cleaner...averaging about 3 rooms per house.
>>>>
>>>>They're about like 10 meters by 5.
>>>>
>>>Wow. Are you using a toothbrush and a sponge?
>>
>>I suffer from a lack of decent wages. This makes me work very slowly
>>and never do anything unless specificaly instructed to do it.
>>
>Heh eh heh eh heh...yeah...thats one thing about being on an hourly wage; you
>tend to milk the clock.
I put the clock at work is 10 meniutes fast :o)
>>>>>>Intereinstly enough, When the spainish and portuguese conqured the new
>>>>>>world, Most people were split into too camps, Either the natives were
>>>>>>horrible heathen savages who should be enslaved to teach them the
>>>>>>error of their ways, Or else they were pure and innocent noble savages
>>>>>>who should be educated by er... enslaveing them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Make them like us!!!! Only without any rights...
>>>>
>>>>well, The incas planned to enslave the spainyards when they first
>>>>found the, But the spainyards pre-emtively masscared them. more than
>>>>7000 of them, each spainyward cilled about 15 indiands each for only
>>>>the loss of 5 spainwards in total.
>>>>
>>>Your disgraphia is amusing :)
>>>Technology beat the Incas. Its not like they were a peaceful & kind people
>>>though. Soccer matches where the loosing team dies is a bit harsh eh?
>>
>>It's not funny! I have trouble distuguinshing left and right, I've
>>almost caused an accident while learning to drive cos of that.
>>
>ROTFLMAO! OMG!!! Heh...stick to public transportation then :)
What, And go nowhere at all, or wait for busdrivers to finfish eating
their lunch or something?
>>I write "R" and "L" on my hands in black marker.
>>
>Theres an easier way: muscle memory. Get a dumbell or weight set and have one
>in each hand. Each time you lift one side say aloud the correct name for it;
>right or left.
>Or a punching bag; punch left, punch right...over & over.
I'll hit my father then.
>>>>>>I think about two people maybe said that they were people "just like
>>>>>>us".
>>>>>>
>>>>>They were obviously ignored...
>>>>
>>>>I think it was the ships full of gold that did it.
>>>>
>>>Yes. But they still found time to fuck their women pleanty while calling the
>>>men heathens & kill em. Mexicans are mostly a mixture of spanish and Indian
>>>ancestors.
>>>Truly...the history of humanity is very inspireing.
>>
>>Pizzaros brother ("juan" IIRC) took any women he wanted to bed. He
>>came to a bad end mind, He got beheaded.
>>
>For the orgys?
Just for being a bastard, the conquistoders faught each other afrter
the though for tindans.
>>>>>>Well, IIRC the alchold age in canada is 19!! so I'll be dprived there
>>>>>>for two months.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Like you've been deprived of it where you are now?
>>>>>;)
>>>>
>>>>At the lecture, They said "most of your social life there will
>>>>revolved around alcohol"
>>>>
>>>So don't expect any better! JUST GIVE IN NOW!!!!!
>>>Lovely message.
>>
>>What? It's a british tradition that at social functions you drink till
>>you're drunk. Also, It's rare to drink "for pleasure" people will
>>mostly drink to get drunk. Seriously, I've seen it first hand.
>>
>Me too. Its a drug epidemic. but a profitable one for the government, so they
>allow it.
I did it a few times, In the morning I said "no more", but I did it
again, But only with friends interelising enoguh,
>>>>>>We don't get that here, we have The New scientist and "medevil
>>>>>>history". it had an interesting article about Uroscopy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Was it called, " A pictorial guide to the pee-hole"?
>>>>
>>>>They thought they could tel everything that was wrong with you, just
>>>>by looking at the color of your pee.
>>>>
>>>Ahhh...people have applied the same idea to the color of ones eyes.
>>>And bumps on the head...
>>>palmistry...
>>>facial types...tis all bunk!
>>
>>Its still popular, Biometric tests et al.
>>
>Faith healing and homeopathic crap...
a docotor here got into tourble for giveing someone that when they
shoiuld have given them anti0-depressents.
DEspite the person was an recovering alchoholic, They refused and gave
them sulphar.
>>>>>>>>The RMPS spy on people and invade their privacy and crossdress, So I
>>>>>>>>heard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The crossdressing I can handle...spying is just rude however. I was under
>>>the
>>>>>>>impresssion that Canada has better privacy laws than the US does since
>the
>>>>>>>power grab that Ashcroft did post 9/11.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nah, They've got a new PM who wants to make canada more like american
>>>>>>and mend frences with bush. He also wants to make their military
>>>>>>bigger and do more oversreas intervention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Stupidity must be catching over here on the continent...hmmm.
>>>>
>>>>Well, American newspaprs have been bashing spain for voteing out the
>>>>prime minsters who lied to them about the bombs, he blamed it on ETA,
>>>>when it was mostly likely islamic terorotists.
>>>>
>>>Or maybe a new temporary alliance of the two? I wonder if they realise that
>>>they (Spain) just rewarded "bad behavior"?
>>
>>The spanish voted out the goverment that lied to them and created this
>>whole mess by suppprtong the iraq invasion.
>>
>I know...I'm a news addict...
>
>>OF course< bush and co hate the spanish for exceruiseing their
>>democratice right.
>>
>In a way it could send the wrong message to the terrorists: blow shit up, get
>what you want.
But the incomeing spanish goverment has pledged to gfight teroorism et
al.
>>>>>>Prboe, is, I don't know I can afford a Postgraduate degree, but I so
>>>>>>want to have a P.H.D, so that people wil call me "Dr. David"
>>>>>>
>>>>>Hey...what did I tell you? Only Rich People Deserve To Have Degrees.
>>>>>Now *dont* forget.
>>>>
>>>>I tried to apply to a college which takes more than 50% of it's intake
>>>>from private schools, but they didn't even reply.
>>>>
>>>Filling out applications for practice eh?
>>
>>Well, UCAS did it all for me mind. I got into a uni anyway, The very
>>same one my father went to.
>>
>Take a class in arabic :) Work for MI6 or whatever they're called.
That would be too much hard work. I'd rather sit at home and vegatate
over a book.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The papers there are ripping him a new arsehole on the whole Iraq thing:
>>>>>>>http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1164326,00.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The guardian still supports him ultimatel,y It is the voice of the
>>>>>>bourgous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I like the Independent :)
>>>>>I just found it the other day.
>>>>
>>>>They do that in a handbag sized edition! with extra small text.
>>>>
>>>It loads quickly. thats a big plus as far as Im concerned for news.
>>
>>the WSWS loads as quick as you please.
>>
>Ah...the sundayjournal loads really slow but its not got any fancy jpgs.
>I like this: www.dailyrotten.com
Coo, Poliec chiefs sun shoots husky with bow and arrow.
Perhaps, Though 40 year old germans in tight leather clothes probably
shouldnt be trying.
>>>>>>>>You can just lock people in a room which is all white, Feed them white
>>>>>>>>rice on white plates and make them wear white clothes, Just like they
>>>>>>>>do in iran...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sounds like science fiction...is there a point to it?
>>>>>>>Some sort of sensory deprivation?
>>>>>>>Sleep deprivation is the most effective "tool" in brainwashing IIRC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, Sensory deprivation, They shine bright white light in 24 hours a
>>>>>>day, So bright that it's apparantly like you're in an endless white
>>>>>>space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>The innuit people would have a distinct advantage...
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, But I suspect even they, if they were not allowed to talk, read
>>>>or do anything but stay in there would go barmy.
>>>>
>>>So its also isolation. Might crack them...but you never know.
>>
>>In guatnamo bay, while beating the prisoners, The guads schanted
>>something like "conform, conform, conform, don't resist, resisit".
>>
>>Brain washing!
>>
>They gave water as a "reward". I think that says it all.
The withdrew that Coke "dasaani" minderal water here cos it had
carcinogenic contatmination. PR disaster!
IT's just RO water anyway, From the tap.
>>>>>>>>>I just abhore those who kill and claim that they're doing "gods work".
>>>>>>>>>Well if thats gods work let him do it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I think he is more than eager too, look at all those dead children.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But did "god" actually do it or was it people pretending to do "gods
>work"?
>>>>>>>I think people should quit trying to play god.
>>>>>>>I mean...if god exists and is all powerful, he would have the resources
>to
>>>do
>>>>>>>any necessary thing himself-directly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why does he need worship if he is all powerful at all?
>>>>>>
>>>>>I bet you're right :)
>>>>
>>>>Being a priest is (or was) a good job in the days of youre. No
>>>>slaveing the fields. just going around mumbeling in a language that
>>>>common people didnt understand anyway (latin).
>>>>
>>>And collecting money for services and gay sex between boys & men...hmmm...
>>>well...maybe not *every* church did that...
>>>They were sometimes the only ones who were literate though.
>>
>>WEll, IIRC at the time of the american civil war, something like 62%
>>of the uinion army were literate, Though boarderline. Theuir letters
>>had lots oss pelling mistakes and stuff.
>>
>Much like yours :) Our literacy rate trails Cubas...which is 92% IIRC.
Finland has bout 99% IIRC, the highest in the world.
>>>>>>>>Well, IT COULD BE WORSE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How so?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well,
>>>>>>
>>>>>LOL! Hard to imagine?
>>>>
>>>>Maybe if hitler won world war 2 or something?
>>>>
>>>That would probably suck.
>>
>>we'd still have bing crosbyt apparnatly though, accotrding to
>>thistorians.
>>
>Just his head? In a tank with tubes and wires?
Well, It was writteen in the late 1960;s./
>>>>>>>>>Jerusalem *is* really their city though...you have to admit...the
>wailing
>>>>>>>wall
>>>>>>>>>and all that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's part of the worlds CULTURAL HERITIGE. It belongs to us ALL.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>One question: do the jews deserve a homeland?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>does anyone deserve a homeland just because of their relegion?
>>>>>>No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Hmmmmm...arn't they claiming to be a distinct race or tribe as well?
>>>>>With a unique culture & yada yada yada?
>>>>
>>>>Well, you could say the same about the english and the welsh and the
>>>>scots, but we call tjhem "British".
>>>>
>>>The Irish seem to think they deserve a homeland.
>>
>>iReland bloned to england till the 1920;'s you know.
>>
>1916 they had a meeting at the post office...shots were fired...you could say
>the Irish went postal ;)
For the nest 80 years or so.
>>>>>>The entire claim of the jewish relegion to that land is based upon a
>>>>>>"holy book".
>>>>>>
>>>>>And being driven from a bunch of other places...so they decided to make a
>>>>>stand...I really think they deserve something to call their own. Its a tiny
>>>>>country...
>>>>
>>>>my great grandparents were jews, so if anyone is ever nasty to me ever
>>>>again, they are a VICIOUS ANTISEMETIC NAZI!
>>>>
>>>Well sure you can say that if you're a member of any group that has sufferd
>>>opression you can always play the "race card" and make your critic an
>automatic
>>>bigot with no argumantative leg to stand on. I think people are wising up to
>>>the whole "poor me" I'm a member of group 'X' dont criticise me bit.
>>
>>My great great great grandfather was a german jew!
>>
>Ok. I can trace my roots back to some clown who started a pesant revolt in the
>1300's. Wat Tyler.
>Also related to teh Hershey Candy family...but on the poor side of course :(
Really? Wat Tyler? Wow.
Bascialy, he was cruely tricked. He lead a peasents revolt for better
conditions, and the king agreed to meet with him to discuss terms, But
one of the kings advisers cruelly slew him (Wat tyler).
Still, You should be proud of that, at least he did something to make
the world a better place.
>>>>>I always prefered the science fiction that pushed the envelope: creatures
>>>that
>>>>>are gas clouds, crystal based...stuff that challenged your imagination.
>>>>
>>>>Hmmm, Gene Wolfes "book of the new sun" is pretty interesint, like
>>>>there are predators which absorb the concioness of those they eat, and
>>>>the charecter has an odd converstaion with one, or is the people it
>>>>has eaten eh?
>>>>
>>>Sounds kewl.
>>
>>The book is a bit hard to understand though, The world has changed so
>>much that it's hard tor elated to and understand the way the future
>>people think and act.
>>
>>Though I supporse, That is the whole point of it.
>>
>Exactly. Why shouldn't there be a cultural revolution between now and 3000?
>Maybe women rise to power?
That scares me. What if men were treated like women are treated
noW?!!?!?
>>>>There's also an enture nation who are only tought in, speak and
>>>>communicate in propaganda.
>>>>
>>>>It's also set in the far future of earth, And the city of vast towers,
>>>>you eventually ralize that they are rockets.
>>>>
>>>Science fiction makes you think at least while it entertains you.
>>
>>IAin M. Banks "the Culture" series are very lefty liberal.
>>
>>They are set in a future civlisation where history has essentialy
>>ended, There is a perfect communist goverment controled by machines
>>which are infinately more inteligent and powerul than humans, but they
>>run this perfect worlds for humans just because it amuses them to.
>>
>I need to read me sum Sci Fi...again.
My father liked Ray Bradbury.
>>>>>>>I wonder if historians will look back on the 20th century as some kind of
>>>>>>>second Dark Age?
>>>>>>>:(
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Maybe we will descend into a neo-fuedal dark age where people do
>>>>>>"indentured" work for corperations. they give you a roof and food and
>>>>>>in terutn, you work for them forever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah, with house prices what they are...
>>>>>>
>>>>>The coming of the two tiered social structure...
>>>>>BUT THINK OF THE LOW PRICES AT WALMART!!!!1111!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>I bought 4 pairs of trousers for just £4 each!
>>>>
>>>Theres a Walmart there too?!?!?!?
>>>AGGGGGHH!
>>
>>Well, It's a wholly owned subsidery.
>>
>But its got the logo and everything!?!? they have been doing a lot of damage
>control ads here on teevee about how Walmart is so great to work for and they
>are sponsors of this & that charity.
>Its so damn obvious...
No, It doesn't have the logo, it's called "Asda", but they do run
logos where people slap their asses (to symbolise how muchn money they
are saveing) and talk about how much they love aSSda.
>>>>>The warping of your mind? I was joking...but really....carpets just *wont*
>>>come
>>>>>clean unless you use a pre-treatment to loosen the soil :)
>>>>
>>>>Ah, That would explain why the carpet cleaning at work never worked.
>>>>The boss insisted, So I did it, But even though it smelt nice after,
>>>>it didn't acuitally look much better. I pretended it did though and
>>>>said that it was a really good idea for him to have me do that and
>>>>stuff.
>>>>
>>>Unless you have harsh chemicals, very hot water, and powerful vaccuming to
>suck
>>>it all up, you dont get a good job.
>>>More power is better.
>>
>>I found the vacumm cleaner in the storeoom and it was dusty anyway!
>>
>0_o
If I clean cleaning quipment, Does that make it meta-cleaning?
>>>>>>>>I will paint my soul red, white and blue!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You should go visit him and that Cougar fella :)
>>>>>>>Smyrgol is also on the east coast. I bet in Rl they'd be very pleasant
>>>>>actually
>>>>>>>and not beat you about the head with plushies ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't want to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>You don't like them? Hmmmmm...so far no one has said anything to me on ALF
>>>that
>>>>>I'd personally hold against them and refuse to see them in RL. What happens
>>>on
>>>>>the net dosent always reflect a persons true character.
>>>>>And thats even with people telling me they'd "dance on my grave".
>>>>>Mheh...
>>>>
>>>>True. I will see. I will see.
>>>>
>>>MAybe they give you fursex?
>>>LOL!
>>
>>Ewwwwww. Fursuits are creepy. Those eyes, those terrible eyes...
>>
>Like giant versions of the Snuggle Fabric Softener bear...
>EEeeeeeeeeeeviiiiiiiiiLLLLLLL!!!
We have more clowns than fursuiters here, i saw one smokeing a
ciggerete, It destoryed the whole mystique.
>>>>Oh, Well, I've never fired one either, but they're fascinateing,
>>>>Beacuse compared to Longbows, They were pants, they could penetrate
>>>>6mm of steel (i.e the best plate armour) at about 60 yards max,
>>>>Whereas a longbow could do it at about 250.
>>>>
>>>Interesting.
>>>
>>>>however, it took about 10 years to train someone to use a longbow, and
>>>>they had a 100lb draw, which had to be pulled out and sustained for a
>>>>few seconds, So you had to be very strong anyway.
>>>>
>>>Crossbows?
>>
>>Very slow and they were expensive to make (they were made from
>>composites), mind you, By about 1530;s, They cod fire nearly 1000
>>yards and kill at that distance. But it was the priace, And they could
>>only fire at best, 1 shot per minuite, Whereas muskets could do 2 or
>>3.
>>
>ANd then came the Gattling Gun....
Organ guns came first, They were just like 10 or even 20 barrels all
side by side on a gun carriegne. They were used for defending bridges
usealy.
They were lasted used in the american civil war, Called
"billingshurst-reque covered volley guns" IIRC.
>>>>Whereas anyone, can use a gun with a few hours training, and kill even
>>>>the most heavily armoured man with a sword.
>>>>
>>>>It's just odd, Fascinateing even, How that is.
>>>>
>>>Technology: bringing us bettter ways to kill.
>>
>>Well,
>>
>And live too I guess, he said begrudgingly.
It still easier to destory than create. I think that;s just how the
universe works.
Like, It's easier to pull one card out of a house , than to make it in
the first palce.
It requires less effort to take apart structures due to their inherent
complexist or something.
>>>>>>Yeah, but machine guns are machine guns, A rifle is a rifle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>And a car is a car. I fail to see the subtle distinction you're trying to
>>>make.
>>>>
>>>>A Maxmim gun can fire something like 650 rounds per minute from 250
>>>>round belts. IIRC, the bullets are lethal at about 1000 yards.
>>>>
>>>I now see your distinction.
>>
>>The idea of baptists owning them makes me cry.
>>
>Baptists aren't so bad...evangelicals though! Ask them if a jew can get to
>heaven some time :)
I had a jehovas witness tell me thta I wasn't going to go to heaven
and that I would burn in hell.
This was in primary school so he got told off and had to sit in the
corner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, They can afford people to carry them for them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>And afford better lawyers when things go wrong...I HACE FINALLY SEEN TEH
>>>>>LITE!!! ALL HAIL TEH RICH FOR TEHY ARE TEH BETTER AND GOD CHOSEN WONS!!!
>>>>>I feel so much better now knowing the truth :)
>>>>>I hace got teh inlitenment.
>>>>
>>>>Madonna had a media article where she talked about how she loved
>>>>shooting so much,.
>>>>
>>>Heh...I wonder if shes trying to put the FEAR OF GOD into anyone considering
>>>stalking her?
>>>Or maybe she just likes guns :)
>>
>>Or the upper class image that pheastent shooting projects..
>>
>And those friggin fox hunters...Madonna in riding boots and crop?
>Only if shes topless :)
Go and take a cold shower.
>>>>>>>> Wow, I want to make my own matchlock rifle!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You can buy kits thru the mail without a permit or any background checks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>to make a real matchlock?¬? K4wl. I wonder If could get one back
>>>>>>through customs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>You'd probably have to ship it by air-freight I'd guess. Your gun shop
>could
>>>>>tell you how to get it home legally.
>>>>
>>>>Matchlock mechanisms themselves seem rather simple. Some of them just
>>>>had an S shaped lever with a clip to hold the smouldering match.
>>>>
>>>Get some pipe and a hacksaw and get crackin...oh...and an anvil, torch, and
>>>some tongs and a drill-press and...
>>
>>I have a screwdriver and some scissors.
>>
>Its a start.
I have some sandpaper too, The extra fine sort.
>>>>>>>>>>It's easier to smash the toy than to make a new one remember.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>+NRA types make me cry.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Now you've lost me...
>>>>>>>>>0_o
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well, There were a few "funny" people at the shooting club, I'm sure
>>>>>>>>one knows the sort...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Um....comedians?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The sort who buy lots and lots of knives and swords and guns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Collectors? Plushie collectors give me the willies!
>>>>
>>>>There is something odd about grown men haveing stuffed toys. I have
>>>>wally wale, From when I was little, Made from flannel. but that is
>>>>all.
>>>>
>>>I have Wile E Coyote from when me mum saw him at a yard sale a few years
>back.
>>>Iem teh freeky plush owner :(
>>
>>my mother brought me a book about "growing up", I never raed it and
>>set fire to a bit of it once.
>>
>Is that a thinly veiled criticism? I'll be forced to impose a furry 30 day shun
>on you.
I hope you bought your monther a mothers day present, I bought her
some... Choclates.
>>>>>>>>>>Well, I'm leaving on the 25th or sopemthing, I get a leaving present!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You prolly will get a watch...they always give watches...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The last person got a bottle of Cognac and a pot plant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Courvasier? (sp?) I'll have to translate for the non British Speaking©
>>>>>audience
>>>>>>>that "pot plant" merely means "potted" plant.
>>>>>>>I'd prefer a nice Rolex...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes! Courvasier! how did you guess?
>>>>>>
>>>>>I kept hearing it mentioned in hip-hop music...so it was a guess, yes.
>>>>
>>>>Oh, I thought cognac was a sophiscated drink, not something that
>>>>ganstas swig while driveing around in their soft tops.
>>>>
>>>They have the 'bling' and the 'blunts' and the 'ho's...
>>
>>I have a "shiv", or I did, But I threw it away cos sand got into the
>>mechanism.
>>
>A "shiv" is any knife, not limited to switchblades & stillettos :)
>FYI
>I've had both...but I always wore out the mechanism playing with them :(
I had a nice french stainless stell knife, I used it to clean my
nails.
§ńühwřŁf
<4060366c...@news.individual.net>:
>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>>§ñühwø£f <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>>>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>>>him.
>>>
>>>>>>>Counting the cars on the new jersey turnpike?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I dont know that song...
>>>>>
>>>>>America of course!
>>>>>
>>>>Life in the fast lane...
>>>
>>>Your newsreader should be called Anubis, not Thoth. Thoth was just
>>>some scribal god of knowledge, but anubis had a jackals head!
>>>
>>>That makes him furry.
>>>
>>It makes Thoth furry as well...he had an Ibis' head IIRC.
>
>well, his statue was blue. BLUE!
>
I dont recall seeing a statue of him...just paintings on walls.
Was he furry?
>>>>>>Listening to Simon & Garfield?
>>>>>
>>>>>Richie Blackmore now.
>>>>>
>>>>Beats the Eagles...
>>>
>>>IT's like folk rock, he's a guitart ghod(TM) but not so tedoiously
>>>masturbationry as Vai or Malmsteen.
>>>
>>I've probably heard him...Vai isnt mastubatory...vertuoso maybe...
>
>Malmsteen is. It's like wee wee wee, but with guitars.
>
Its too much arpeggios, not enough funk...
>>>>>I'm not acutally going traveling for about 2 and half to 3 months
>>>>>mind, I'll be working in toronto for that time, mind you, since my
>>>>>parents insist that I send them an e-mail when I do go traveling,
>>>>>maybe I can do it then.
>>>>>
>>>>They want you to be safe. CANADA IS DANGEROUS!!!!
>>>>Roving bands of hockey players have been beating up people...its atrocious.
>>>
>>>Apparantly, They play hockey there and acutally find it enterainting!
>>>Canadian hockey here appears on the 5th channel, at 2 o clock in the
>>>morning.
>>>
>>I can't stand it- its stupid as that NASCAR shit...
>
>Is that where they race round and round in an endless loop forever?
>
500 miles of zoom ,zoom, zoom...and for what?
At least hockey players sometimes beat the shit outta each other.
>>>>>>Oops! Yeap...no human rights violations here....
>>>>Heres the real deal:
>>>>http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/03/10/osp_moveon/
>>>>
>>>>Its a long article but it details why we went to IRAQ in the first
place...as
>>>>told by an insider.Its the proverbial Smoking Gun that if it gets
widespread
>>>>media attention, will sink Bush's "re"-election.
>>>>It blows the administrations cover story right outta the water...
>>>
>>>The spanish goverment lied to. It claimed that the bombing in madrid
>>>was the work of ETA (a native teroorist organisation) and said that
>>>the they had "definitive evidence", howeveer, They knew within a few
>>>hours that the explosive used was a saudi arabian brand. Yet they
>>>still tried to claim that ETA did it.
>>>
>>I got the impression that they thought that the groups had formed a temporary
>>alliance for the attack.
>>
>>>They lied and paid the price, They got voted out.
>>>
>>I also thought it was because they supported having their forces in Iraq.
>
>I doubt that they would ally together, That's probably just more
>goverment lies to try and cover their backs. When it coems to the
>"war" on terro, You just cannot trust a word of goverments.
>
Well....maybe a word or two...but there was definitly an agenda in place
*before* 9-11...too many people have come forward now to be ignored.
War is usually about resources. Thus our interest in s. america an africa.
>>>>>>>>He knows the universe and does not know himself.
>>>>>>>> -Jean de la Fontaine
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They know the price of everything, But the value of nothing?!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Virtue has never been as respectable as money.
>>>>>> -Mark twain
>>>>>
>>>>>"Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone
>>>>>lives"
>>>>>
>>>>Teach me to live that I may dread
>>>>The grave as little as my bed.
>>>>-Thomas Ken
>>>
>>>"Faith, like a jackal, feeds among the tombs, and even
>>>from these dead doubts she gathers her most vital hope."
>>>
>>Faith which does not doubt is dead faith.
>> -Miguel de Unamuno
>
>Audentis Fortuna iuvat
>
Originality is undetected plagarism.
-W.R. Inge
>>>>>>>That would be dishonest though, Since I couldnt' fixa broken computer,
>>>>>>>unless it was really simple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ok...lets test your knowledge.
>>>>>>Do you know how to boot from a floppy?
>>>>>>Do you know how to set up an email account?
>>>>>>" " " set up a firewall?
>>>>>>Check the system for IRQ conflicts?
>>>>>>I bet you do :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, Yes, But I don't know about the solving of IRQ conflicts, I can
>>>>>look at some control panel which says if they exist though.
>>>>>
>>>>Do you know how to use Windoze help? Then you can use teh L337
troubleshooter
>>>>:)
>>>>U R N XPRT!
>>>
>>>Windows help never helped me.
>>>
>>You gotta have faith?
>>;)
>
>Oh! Oh! I installed some new drivers for my grahpics card and it made
>the system unstable! whenever I tried to save anything for some
>reason, It would just crash.
>
IRQ conflict. Two bits of hardware are trying to access the same IRQ channel at
once.
>I rolled back the drivers and now it works fine!
>
Never upgrade unless absolutely necessary :)
Sometimes you can manually re-assign DMA and IRQ and all that crap...but often
the easiest way is to burn your disk down to th ground with a completely
*fresh* OS install with the new hardware in place and let the system *detect*
and *assign* the IRQ channels & shit itself. But be prepared to spend an hour
debugging it anyway :OP
>>>>>>>>>My father acutally earns less than me per hour, when taxes et al are
>>>>>>>>>factored in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>0_o Whoa... but the benifits make up for it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Umm... well, if 60 pence per day for travel allowences coutn as
>>>>>>>benefits, yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I meant like some kind of health & dental plan...a retirement account...
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course not, There is nothing like that.
>>>>>
>>>>Whoa. My dad got benni's from being a prof....funny that yours didnt.
>>>
>>>Bennis? My father got to be bald by the time he was 40 if that helps.
>>>
>>Benifits=bennis. Baldness is just too much testosterone.
>
>And stress!
>
Um....mostly genetic...carried by genes on the mothers side of the family.
IIRC...
>>>>These walled self sufficient villages seem a bit like Lords & Serfs...
>>>>hmmmmm.
>>>
>>>well, perhaps people will in time "sell themselves" as it where, to a
>>>corperation or rich person, and get houseing and food in exchange for
>>>working for them forever.
>>>
>>Theres some stupid new teevee show where people vie for favor with Donald
Trump
>>and he gets to fire them...like a corporate version of 'Survivor'.
>>What an egomaniac.
>
>And what sort of sniveliny weaseal would want to take part?
>They deserve everytyhin they get, But I object to it appearing on T.V.
>
People who want to be on teevee??? Seems like with this making Trump an icon,
they (whoever they are) are trying to sell the greed is good idea to the public
again.
>>>I bet that this "indentured servitued" will be made legal or whatever
>>>in the future, As people become too poor to even afford houses.
>>>
>>Thats what the military is for: push up unemployment to the level where
people
>>become desperate enough to sign up.
>>
>>>Why, Think about mexcian maids and stuff, It's pracitcaly done now.
>>>
>>And Bush wants to bring more in...
>
>And there is the fear of latinos and hispanics. I read articles in the
>newspapers about how americans will be OVERWHELMED with them.
>
By 2050 america will no longer be a white-majority nation.
>I think it's white people being scared of what they did to everyone
>else.
>
Its people not wanting to be in the minority :)
Heh...
>>>>>I've never been anywhere here, I have never seen any place at all come
>>>>>to think of it, where you cannot see the signs of human habitation.
>>>>>
>>>>I can't imagine it. Makes me shudder thinkin of it! Looking around, seeing
>>>>nothing but nature, that makes me feel "safe" somehow knowing that theres
>>still
>>>>some land that hasn't been marred by the hand of man.
>>>
>>>Sometimes It's nice, Like looking at a nice granite dam in wales, but
>>>sometimes it's seeing coke cans out up on hills that are at least 3 or
>>>4 miles from the nearest village.
>>>
>>Yeah...trash has a way of spoiling ones veiw.
>
>Sometimes the lorries carrying away gravel and stuff from the local
>gravel quarrus are so overloaded it spills on the road. That happend
>once while I was driveing, but it wasn't going anywhere near me
>thankgod.
>
The sand trucks in the winter have a blade on the front that throws snow to the
side of th road...they travel 50-60 mph...they also pick up the rocks and throw
them at your windshield...from the sand they spread. I got *3* new chips this
year :(
>>>>Let the mud-slinging begin...
>>>
>>>Noam Chomsky backed Kerry as "bush-lite" saying that kerry was
>>>slihgtly better than bish.
>>>
>>Where'd you see that?
>
>In the "guardian" it was a few days ago. Saturday I think.
>
Why does a linguist think his opinion of politics is important?
>>>>>>>>>I can be anything I want to be and do anything I want to, because I'm
>>>>>>>>>young and have my whole life ahead of me!!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yep.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Er... No.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why not? You're really a 45 yr old houswife in georgia who weighs 250
>>lbs???
>>>>>
>>>>>Because I am limited by my circumstances and wealth.
>>>>>
>>>>Well....I think its also attitudinal. I think I'm limited a lot by my
>>>>persistent feelings of helplessness when I examine what others have done,
how
>>>>large collectives can crush opposition, that kind of thing.
>>>
>>>When I look at my art, I think of people like Durer and weep and feel
>>>crap.
>>>
>>LOL! Heh...look at Paul Klee then :)
>>Juan Miro...Marcel Duchamp.
>
>I feel slighty better, but I know of 15 year olds with "innate talent"
>who are better than I. It uis humial;uiteing, I hope they die die die
>die. That would be nice.
>
Why? Stop compareing yourself to them. The deal with being an artist is your
personal vision. That can't be copyied. I'm not doing art anymore because my
parents might see it and they never liked it....lots. And I dont feel the need
to express myself that way any longer. But if you have a idea that wants to be
expressed via drawing or whatever, just do it...regardless.
The west is a state of mind as well as a geographic location :)
>though read "lonesome dove", that takes away the romeance.
>
Never read it. Watched westerns though...
>FWIW, IIRC I remember rading in some book about how some french bloke
>in the 18th century did a survey of prostitues in his town (in the
>interests of science of course) and reporting that about 1/4th of them
>had hairy nipples.
>
Mmmmmmmmmmm...nipple fur! Theres some advert on teevee where a drop of water
runs down this girls stomach...shes covered in this awsum tiny fine blond
hair...the backlighting is perfect so you can see it real well...obviuosly...I
have a fetish.
>>>>>>>>>YOU R NO JOB WELFARE MAN!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>IR BABOON!
>>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It must be nice not haveing to get up a 6.30 and then walking to work
>>>>>>>like a zombie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>When I was working I always got up on time and being a morning person was
>>>>>>usually more animated than the rest of the sloths I worked with :)
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm only a morning person when I don't have to work. I usueally fall
>>>>>asleep at work in the mornings.
>>>>>
>>>>What kind of job lets you do that!?
>>>
>>>A job where the bosses work in another building...
>>>
>>Kewl. I liked the semi-autonomous aspect of driving around in a van and going
>>to peoples houses all by myself :)
>>I kept hoping that somwon would make a pass at me....but it never happened :(
>
>WEll, perhaps people cut across at roundabouts?
>
I meant sexually...in their house...a come-on by a lonely housewife?
Sheesh Dave, get your mind back here in the gutter...my blood is PURE
VIAGRUH!!!
>>>>>Don't laptops get hot and burn out though?
>>>>>
>>>>No...the drive can be set to 'spin-down' after a set period of time. Its
>>>>controlled in the Display Properties & Screen savers tab...this one wont
wake
>>>>properly after it goes to "sleep" so I just have the drive stop spinning
and
>>>>the screen blank out after 20 minutes of inactivity. If you have one that
>>will
>>>>sleep properly it uses about 2-5 watts of juice.
>>>
>>>Well, That's not so bad I guess, I have an energy saveign bulb for my
>>>room, it's like a little neon tube, I badgred my parents to get energy
>>>saveing bulbs for the rest of the house but they said no.
>>>
>>Tell them its really not a communist plot...
>
>The council give grants for energy effiency stuff, but to save money,
>they stopped. But surely, In the end it will save more moeny to have
>engery saveing since less electricity et al?!?!
>
Yes, but you see its all about the short-term gain now with stupid gits like
Tony & George...
>>>>>>>>>>Heh eh heh heh eh...Neil Young announced that he was having all his
>>tour
>>>>>>>>busses
>>>>>>>>>>converted to bio-diesel because it helps reduce the greenhouse
problem.
>>>>>>>>>>NEIL YOUNG R00lS!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>My mother likes him,...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>He sang about the Kent State massacre...
>>>>>>>>"four dead in Ohio..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He sort of heavy metal I think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sort of all over the rock spectrum. He was in Crosby Stills Nash &
>>>>>>Young...remember? Thats more like classic & folk rock...but he's done
hard
>>>>rock
>>>>>>stuff as well as country influenced and folksy stuff.
>>>>>>Rockin in the Free World is good :)
>>>>>
>>>>>They relreased all his albums here, But they don't have them at the
>>>>>local shop!
>>>>>
>>>>Picket the shop. Make signs and chant!
>>>
>>>I thought about doing that for the local sportswear shop, but I think
>>>policement would tell me to "move on"
>>>
>>Tell them you're a member of an oppressed minority then.
>
>I don't think jews are very opressed, It's the arabs who are opressed
>now.
>
I'm too afraid to make that call...I'd rather say I'm anti-stupid and let
people apply that as they see fit.
>Arabs are the new jews!
>
I think we all need to buck up a bit and stop whineing about being so opressed.
>>>>>>>>Black Lung was a 'orrible way to die...
>>>>>>>>But you'd be suprised how much coal a 6 yr old can dig in a 16 hour
>>day...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I can clean two rooms in 3 hours!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>How big a room? I used to clean five houses a day as a carpet
>>>>>>cleaner...averaging about 3 rooms per house.
>>>>>
>>>>>They're about like 10 meters by 5.
>>>>>
>>>>Wow. Are you using a toothbrush and a sponge?
>>>
>>>I suffer from a lack of decent wages. This makes me work very slowly
>>>and never do anything unless specificaly instructed to do it.
>>>
>>Heh eh heh eh heh...yeah...thats one thing about being on an hourly wage; you
>>tend to milk the clock.
>
>I put the clock at work is 10 meniutes fast :o)
>
You changed the time clock for the punch cards?
For shame...
>>>>>>>Intereinstly enough, When the spainish and portuguese conqured the new
>>>>>>>world, Most people were split into too camps, Either the natives were
>>>>>>>horrible heathen savages who should be enslaved to teach them the
>>>>>>>error of their ways, Or else they were pure and innocent noble savages
>>>>>>>who should be educated by er... enslaveing them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Make them like us!!!! Only without any rights...
>>>>>
>>>>>well, The incas planned to enslave the spainyards when they first
>>>>>found the, But the spainyards pre-emtively masscared them. more than
>>>>>7000 of them, each spainyward cilled about 15 indiands each for only
>>>>>the loss of 5 spainwards in total.
>>>>>
>>>>Your disgraphia is amusing :)
>>>>Technology beat the Incas. Its not like they were a peaceful & kind people
>>>>though. Soccer matches where the loosing team dies is a bit harsh eh?
>>>
>>>It's not funny! I have trouble distuguinshing left and right, I've
>>>almost caused an accident while learning to drive cos of that.
>>>
>>ROTFLMAO! OMG!!! Heh...stick to public transportation then :)
>
>What, And go nowhere at all, or wait for busdrivers to finfish eating
>their lunch or something?
>
It cant be that bad...take the "tube"...
>>>I write "R" and "L" on my hands in black marker.
>>>
>>Theres an easier way: muscle memory. Get a dumbell or weight set and have one
>>in each hand. Each time you lift one side say aloud the correct name for it;
>>right or left.
>>Or a punching bag; punch left, punch right...over & over.
>
>I'll hit my father then.
>
o_0 Why?
>>>>>>>I think about two people maybe said that they were people "just like
>>>>>>>us".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>They were obviously ignored...
>>>>>
>>>>>I think it was the ships full of gold that did it.
>>>>>
>>>>Yes. But they still found time to fuck their women pleanty while calling
the
>>>>men heathens & kill em. Mexicans are mostly a mixture of spanish and Indian
>>>>ancestors.
>>>>Truly...the history of humanity is very inspireing.
>>>
>>>Pizzaros brother ("juan" IIRC) took any women he wanted to bed. He
>>>came to a bad end mind, He got beheaded.
>>>
>>For the orgys?
>
>Just for being a bastard, the conquistoders faught each other afrter
>the though for tindans.
>
Poor bastard...
>>>>>>>Well, IIRC the alchold age in canada is 19!! so I'll be dprived there
>>>>>>>for two months.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Like you've been deprived of it where you are now?
>>>>>>;)
>>>>>
>>>>>At the lecture, They said "most of your social life there will
>>>>>revolved around alcohol"
>>>>>
>>>>So don't expect any better! JUST GIVE IN NOW!!!!!
>>>>Lovely message.
>>>
>>>What? It's a british tradition that at social functions you drink till
>>>you're drunk. Also, It's rare to drink "for pleasure" people will
>>>mostly drink to get drunk. Seriously, I've seen it first hand.
>>>
>>Me too. Its a drug epidemic. but a profitable one for the government, so they
>>allow it.
>
>I did it a few times, In the morning I said "no more", but I did it
>again, But only with friends interelising enoguh,
>
Got any alcoholics in your family?
>>>>>>>We don't get that here, we have The New scientist and "medevil
>>>>>>>history". it had an interesting article about Uroscopy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Was it called, " A pictorial guide to the pee-hole"?
>>>>>
>>>>>They thought they could tel everything that was wrong with you, just
>>>>>by looking at the color of your pee.
>>>>>
>>>>Ahhh...people have applied the same idea to the color of ones eyes.
>>>>And bumps on the head...
>>>>palmistry...
>>>>facial types...tis all bunk!
>>>
>>>Its still popular, Biometric tests et al.
>>>
>>Faith healing and homeopathic crap...
>
>a docotor here got into tourble for giveing someone that when they
>shoiuld have given them anti0-depressents.
>
>DEspite the person was an recovering alchoholic, They refused and gave
>them sulphar.
>
Like I said...crap medicine. But faith can "heal" people sometimes.
Its the placebo effect and psychosomatic result of a strong belief. There is a
mind-body connection.
>>>>>Well, American newspaprs have been bashing spain for voteing out the
>>>>>prime minsters who lied to them about the bombs, he blamed it on ETA,
>>>>>when it was mostly likely islamic terorotists.
>>>>>
>>>>Or maybe a new temporary alliance of the two? I wonder if they realise that
>>>>they (Spain) just rewarded "bad behavior"?
>>>
>>>The spanish voted out the goverment that lied to them and created this
>>>whole mess by suppprtong the iraq invasion.
>>>
>>I know...I'm a news addict...
>>
>>>OF course< bush and co hate the spanish for exceruiseing their
>>>democratice right.
>>>
>>In a way it could send the wrong message to the terrorists: blow shit up, get
>>what you want.
>
>But the incomeing spanish goverment has pledged to gfight teroorism et
>al.
>
Ok. But dont you think it might send a message to the terrorists?
Hmmmm?
>>>>>>>Prboe, is, I don't know I can afford a Postgraduate degree, but I so
>>>>>>>want to have a P.H.D, so that people wil call me "Dr. David"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey...what did I tell you? Only Rich People Deserve To Have Degrees.
>>>>>>Now *dont* forget.
>>>>>
>>>>>I tried to apply to a college which takes more than 50% of it's intake
>>>>>from private schools, but they didn't even reply.
>>>>>
>>>>Filling out applications for practice eh?
>>>
>>>Well, UCAS did it all for me mind. I got into a uni anyway, The very
>>>same one my father went to.
>>>
>>Take a class in arabic :) Work for MI6 or whatever they're called.
>
>That would be too much hard work. I'd rather sit at home and vegatate
>over a book.
>
<rolls eyes>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The papers there are ripping him a new arsehole on the whole Iraq
thing:
>>>>>>>>http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1164326,00.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The guardian still supports him ultimatel,y It is the voice of the
>>>>>>>bourgous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I like the Independent :)
>>>>>>I just found it the other day.
>>>>>
>>>>>They do that in a handbag sized edition! with extra small text.
>>>>>
>>>>It loads quickly. thats a big plus as far as Im concerned for news.
>>>
>>>the WSWS loads as quick as you please.
>>>
>>Ah...the sundayjournal loads really slow but its not got any fancy jpgs.
>>I like this: www.dailyrotten.com
>
>Coo, Poliec chiefs sun shoots husky with bow and arrow.
>
AWK! I didnt see that one...how sad :(
Or I blocked it mentally...
DONT DENY THEM THEIR ARTISTIC VISION!!!!1111!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>You can just lock people in a room which is all white, Feed them white
>>>>>>>>>rice on white plates and make them wear white clothes, Just like they
>>>>>>>>>do in iran...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sounds like science fiction...is there a point to it?
>>>>>>>>Some sort of sensory deprivation?
>>>>>>>>Sleep deprivation is the most effective "tool" in brainwashing IIRC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, Sensory deprivation, They shine bright white light in 24 hours a
>>>>>>>day, So bright that it's apparantly like you're in an endless white
>>>>>>>space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>The innuit people would have a distinct advantage...
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, But I suspect even they, if they were not allowed to talk, read
>>>>>or do anything but stay in there would go barmy.
>>>>>
>>>>So its also isolation. Might crack them...but you never know.
>>>
>>>In guatnamo bay, while beating the prisoners, The guads schanted
>>>something like "conform, conform, conform, don't resist, resisit".
>>>
>>>Brain washing!
>>>
>>They gave water as a "reward". I think that says it all.
>
>The withdrew that Coke "dasaani" minderal water here cos it had
>carcinogenic contatmination. PR disaster!
>
Most bottled water is just tap water. Carry your own and get one of those
filters fer yer tap.
>IT's just RO water anyway, From the tap.
>
Whats "ro"?
>>>>>>>>>>I just abhore those who kill and claim that they're doing "gods
work".
>>>>>>>>>>Well if thats gods work let him do it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I think he is more than eager too, look at all those dead children.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But did "god" actually do it or was it people pretending to do "gods
>>work"?
>>>>>>>>I think people should quit trying to play god.
>>>>>>>>I mean...if god exists and is all powerful, he would have the resources
>>to
>>>>do
>>>>>>>>any necessary thing himself-directly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why does he need worship if he is all powerful at all?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I bet you're right :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Being a priest is (or was) a good job in the days of youre. No
>>>>>slaveing the fields. just going around mumbeling in a language that
>>>>>common people didnt understand anyway (latin).
>>>>>
>>>>And collecting money for services and gay sex between boys & men...hmmm...
>>>>well...maybe not *every* church did that...
>>>>They were sometimes the only ones who were literate though.
>>>
>>>WEll, IIRC at the time of the american civil war, something like 62%
>>>of the uinion army were literate, Though boarderline. Theuir letters
>>>had lots oss pelling mistakes and stuff.
>>>
>>Much like yours :) Our literacy rate trails Cubas...which is 92% IIRC.
>
>Finland has bout 99% IIRC, the highest in the world.
>
Ah...I thot it was Cuba...those finns have long winters and lots of time to
read you see...
>>>>>>>>>Well, IT COULD BE WORSE.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How so?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>LOL! Hard to imagine?
>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe if hitler won world war 2 or something?
>>>>>
>>>>That would probably suck.
>>>
>>>we'd still have bing crosbyt apparnatly though, accotrding to
>>>thistorians.
>>>
>>Just his head? In a tank with tubes and wires?
>
>Well, It was writteen in the late 1960;s./
>
Sci-fi isn't history...its MAKE BELIEVE!
>>>>>>>>>>Jerusalem *is* really their city though...you have to admit...the
>>wailing
>>>>>>>>wall
>>>>>>>>>>and all that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It's part of the worlds CULTURAL HERITIGE. It belongs to us ALL.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>One question: do the jews deserve a homeland?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>does anyone deserve a homeland just because of their relegion?
>>>>>>>No.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hmmmmm...arn't they claiming to be a distinct race or tribe as well?
>>>>>>With a unique culture & yada yada yada?
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, you could say the same about the english and the welsh and the
>>>>>scots, but we call tjhem "British".
>>>>>
>>>>The Irish seem to think they deserve a homeland.
>>>
>>>iReland bloned to england till the 1920;'s you know.
>>>
>>1916 they had a meeting at the post office...shots were fired...you could say
>>the Irish went postal ;)
>
>For the nest 80 years or so.
>
LOL! Heh...I guess you folks have had a civil war of your own, eh?
>>>>>>>The entire claim of the jewish relegion to that land is based upon a
>>>>>>>"holy book".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>And being driven from a bunch of other places...so they decided to make a
>>>>>>stand...I really think they deserve something to call their own. Its a
tiny
>>>>>>country...
>>>>>
>>>>>my great grandparents were jews, so if anyone is ever nasty to me ever
>>>>>again, they are a VICIOUS ANTISEMETIC NAZI!
>>>>>
>>>>Well sure you can say that if you're a member of any group that has sufferd
>>>>opression you can always play the "race card" and make your critic an
>>automatic
>>>>bigot with no argumantative leg to stand on. I think people are wising up
to
>>>>the whole "poor me" I'm a member of group 'X' dont criticise me bit.
>>>
>>>My great great great grandfather was a german jew!
>>>
>>Ok. I can trace my roots back to some clown who started a pesant revolt in
the
>>1300's. Wat Tyler.
>>Also related to teh Hershey Candy family...but on the poor side of course :(
>
>Really? Wat Tyler? Wow.
>
Yep. Ise descended from trouble makers :)
>Bascialy, he was cruely tricked. He lead a peasents revolt for better
>conditions, and the king agreed to meet with him to discuss terms, But
>one of the kings advisers cruelly slew him (Wat tyler).
>
See...I got more claim to L337 socialist blood than you ;)
>Still, You should be proud of that, at least he did something to make
>the world a better place.
>
He tried....did it work?
>>>>>>I always prefered the science fiction that pushed the envelope: creatures
>>>>that
>>>>>>are gas clouds, crystal based...stuff that challenged your imagination.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hmmm, Gene Wolfes "book of the new sun" is pretty interesint, like
>>>>>there are predators which absorb the concioness of those they eat, and
>>>>>the charecter has an odd converstaion with one, or is the people it
>>>>>has eaten eh?
>>>>>
>>>>Sounds kewl.
>>>
>>>The book is a bit hard to understand though, The world has changed so
>>>much that it's hard tor elated to and understand the way the future
>>>people think and act.
>>>
>>>Though I supporse, That is the whole point of it.
>>>
>>Exactly. Why shouldn't there be a cultural revolution between now and 3000?
>>Maybe women rise to power?
>
>That scares me. What if men were treated like women are treated
>noW?!!?!?
>
Gee...chicks opening doors for me...wooing me (thus taking the pressure off
*me* to be the sexual agressor) being the primary bread-winner...so whats not
to like?
:)
>>>>>There's also an enture nation who are only tought in, speak and
>>>>>communicate in propaganda.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's also set in the far future of earth, And the city of vast towers,
>>>>>you eventually ralize that they are rockets.
>>>>>
>>>>Science fiction makes you think at least while it entertains you.
>>>
>>>IAin M. Banks "the Culture" series are very lefty liberal.
>>>
>>>They are set in a future civlisation where history has essentialy
>>>ended, There is a perfect communist goverment controled by machines
>>>which are infinately more inteligent and powerul than humans, but they
>>>run this perfect worlds for humans just because it amuses them to.
>>>
>>I need to read me sum Sci Fi...again.
>
>My father liked Ray Bradbury.
>
Bradbury was good...Poul Anderson, Ursula K. LeGuin, Jerry Pournelle, Larry
Niven...yep...the golden age of Sci-fi...
>>>>>>>>I wonder if historians will look back on the 20th century as some kind
of
>>>>>>>>second Dark Age?
>>>>>>>>:(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Maybe we will descend into a neo-fuedal dark age where people do
>>>>>>>"indentured" work for corperations. they give you a roof and food and
>>>>>>>in terutn, you work for them forever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yeah, with house prices what they are...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>The coming of the two tiered social structure...
>>>>>>BUT THINK OF THE LOW PRICES AT WALMART!!!!1111!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>I bought 4 pairs of trousers for just £4 each!
>>>>>
>>>>Theres a Walmart there too?!?!?!?
>>>>AGGGGGHH!
>>>
>>>Well, It's a wholly owned subsidery.
>>>
>>But its got the logo and everything!?!? they have been doing a lot of damage
>>control ads here on teevee about how Walmart is so great to work for and they
>>are sponsors of this & that charity.
>>Its so damn obvious...
>
>No, It doesn't have the logo, it's called "Asda", but they do run
>logos where people slap their asses (to symbolise how muchn money they
>are saveing) and talk about how much they love aSSda.
>
LOL! Cute.
>>>>>>The warping of your mind? I was joking...but really....carpets just
*wont*
>>>>come
>>>>>>clean unless you use a pre-treatment to loosen the soil :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Ah, That would explain why the carpet cleaning at work never worked.
>>>>>The boss insisted, So I did it, But even though it smelt nice after,
>>>>>it didn't acuitally look much better. I pretended it did though and
>>>>>said that it was a really good idea for him to have me do that and
>>>>>stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>Unless you have harsh chemicals, very hot water, and powerful vaccuming to
>>suck
>>>>it all up, you dont get a good job.
>>>>More power is better.
>>>
>>>I found the vacumm cleaner in the storeoom and it was dusty anyway!
>>>
>>0_o
>
>If I clean cleaning quipment, Does that make it meta-cleaning?
>
Um....yeah...thats the ticket...
WE HAD TO WASH & WAX TEH VANS AT OUR OWN EXPENSE!!!!
>>>>>>>>>I will paint my soul red, white and blue!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You should go visit him and that Cougar fella :)
>>>>>>>>Smyrgol is also on the east coast. I bet in Rl they'd be very pleasant
>>>>>>actually
>>>>>>>>and not beat you about the head with plushies ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't want to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>You don't like them? Hmmmmm...so far no one has said anything to me on
ALF
>>>>that
>>>>>>I'd personally hold against them and refuse to see them in RL. What
happens
>>>>on
>>>>>>the net dosent always reflect a persons true character.
>>>>>>And thats even with people telling me they'd "dance on my grave".
>>>>>>Mheh...
>>>>>
>>>>>True. I will see. I will see.
>>>>>
>>>>MAybe they give you fursex?
>>>>LOL!
>>>
>>>Ewwwwww. Fursuits are creepy. Those eyes, those terrible eyes...
>>>
>>Like giant versions of the Snuggle Fabric Softener bear...
>>EEeeeeeeeeeeviiiiiiiiiLLLLLLL!!!
>
>We have more clowns than fursuiters here, i saw one smokeing a
>ciggerete, It destoryed the whole mystique.
>
His name was "Smokey". Worked for R J Reynolds undercover stealth marketing
division...
>>>>>Oh, Well, I've never fired one either, but they're fascinateing,
>>>>>Beacuse compared to Longbows, They were pants, they could penetrate
>>>>>6mm of steel (i.e the best plate armour) at about 60 yards max,
>>>>>Whereas a longbow could do it at about 250.
>>>>>
>>>>Interesting.
>>>>
>>>>>however, it took about 10 years to train someone to use a longbow, and
>>>>>they had a 100lb draw, which had to be pulled out and sustained for a
>>>>>few seconds, So you had to be very strong anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>Crossbows?
>>>
>>>Very slow and they were expensive to make (they were made from
>>>composites), mind you, By about 1530;s, They cod fire nearly 1000
>>>yards and kill at that distance. But it was the priace, And they could
>>>only fire at best, 1 shot per minuite, Whereas muskets could do 2 or
>>>3.
>>>
>>ANd then came the Gattling Gun....
>
>Organ guns came first, They were just like 10 or even 20 barrels all
>side by side on a gun carriegne. They were used for defending bridges
>usealy.
>
Did they fire simultaneously??
>They were lasted used in the american civil war, Called
>"billingshurst-reque covered volley guns" IIRC.
>
Hmmmm...
>>>>>Whereas anyone, can use a gun with a few hours training, and kill even
>>>>>the most heavily armoured man with a sword.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's just odd, Fascinateing even, How that is.
>>>>>
>>>>Technology: bringing us bettter ways to kill.
>>>
>>>Well,
>>>
>>And live too I guess, he said begrudgingly.
>
>It still easier to destory than create. I think that;s just how the
>universe works.
>
Entropy is teh ruler!!!
>Like, It's easier to pull one card out of a house , than to make it in
>the first palce.
>
I use the house of cards analogy when I rant to myself on the nature of bio-
diversity and how lower levels support higher levels.
I'm very self-entertaining :)
>It requires less effort to take apart structures due to their inherent
>complexist or something.
>
I have no idea if thats the case or why it would be.
Audience???
>>>>>>>Yeah, but machine guns are machine guns, A rifle is a rifle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>And a car is a car. I fail to see the subtle distinction you're trying to
>>>>make.
>>>>>
>>>>>A Maxmim gun can fire something like 650 rounds per minute from 250
>>>>>round belts. IIRC, the bullets are lethal at about 1000 yards.
>>>>>
>>>>I now see your distinction.
>>>
>>>The idea of baptists owning them makes me cry.
>>>
>>Baptists aren't so bad...evangelicals though! Ask them if a jew can get to
>>heaven some time :)
>
>I had a jehovas witness tell me thta I wasn't going to go to heaven
>and that I would burn in hell.
>
Thats just a scare tactic to sell...I used that when selling scotchguard for
carpets ;)
>This was in primary school so he got told off and had to sit in the
>corner.
>
Wow...talk about your brainwashed kids :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, They can afford people to carry them for them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>And afford better lawyers when things go wrong...I HACE FINALLY SEEN TEH
>>>>>>LITE!!! ALL HAIL TEH RICH FOR TEHY ARE TEH BETTER AND GOD CHOSEN WONS!!!
>>>>>>I feel so much better now knowing the truth :)
>>>>>>I hace got teh inlitenment.
>>>>>
>>>>>Madonna had a media article where she talked about how she loved
>>>>>shooting so much,.
>>>>>
>>>>Heh...I wonder if shes trying to put the FEAR OF GOD into anyone
considering
>>>>stalking her?
>>>>Or maybe she just likes guns :)
>>>
>>>Or the upper class image that pheastent shooting projects..
>>>
>>And those friggin fox hunters...Madonna in riding boots and crop?
>>Only if shes topless :)
>
>Go and take a cold shower.
>
More one handed typing perhaps...
>>>>>>>>> Wow, I want to make my own matchlock rifle!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You can buy kits thru the mail without a permit or any background
checks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>to make a real matchlock?¬? K4wl. I wonder If could get one back
>>>>>>>through customs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>You'd probably have to ship it by air-freight I'd guess. Your gun shop
>>could
>>>>>>tell you how to get it home legally.
>>>>>
>>>>>Matchlock mechanisms themselves seem rather simple. Some of them just
>>>>>had an S shaped lever with a clip to hold the smouldering match.
>>>>>
>>>>Get some pipe and a hacksaw and get crackin...oh...and an anvil, torch, and
>>>>some tongs and a drill-press and...
>>>
>>>I have a screwdriver and some scissors.
>>>
>>Its a start.
>
>I have some sandpaper too, The extra fine sort.
>
You need a drill...boring holes is important to making firearms.
>>>>>>>>>>>It's easier to smash the toy than to make a new one remember.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>+NRA types make me cry.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Now you've lost me...
>>>>>>>>>>0_o
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Well, There were a few "funny" people at the shooting club, I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>one knows the sort...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Um....comedians?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The sort who buy lots and lots of knives and swords and guns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Collectors? Plushie collectors give me the willies!
>>>>>
>>>>>There is something odd about grown men haveing stuffed toys. I have
>>>>>wally wale, From when I was little, Made from flannel. but that is
>>>>>all.
>>>>>
>>>>I have Wile E Coyote from when me mum saw him at a yard sale a few years
>>back.
>>>>Iem teh freeky plush owner :(
>>>
>>>my mother brought me a book about "growing up", I never raed it and
>>>set fire to a bit of it once.
>>>
>>Is that a thinly veiled criticism? I'll be forced to impose a furry 30 day
shun
>>on you.
>
>I hope you bought your monther a mothers day present, I bought her
>some... Choclates.
>
Um....when was Mothers Day again? My sisters husband died last week...I think
I'll buy her a fence...
>>>
>>>I have a "shiv", or I did, But I threw it away cos sand got into the
>>>mechanism.
>>>
>>A "shiv" is any knife, not limited to switchblades & stillettos :)
>>FYI
>>I've had both...but I always wore out the mechanism playing with them :(
>
>I had a nice french stainless stell knife, I used it to clean my
>nails.
>
I like Ginsu knives...the word "ginsu" was made up just to market the product!
Heh...
King Snuhw()1f
Dave The Apostate Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>>>>Your newsreader should be called Anubis, not Thoth. Thoth was just
>>>>some scribal god of knowledge, but anubis had a jackals head!
>>>>
>>>>That makes him furry.
>>>>
>>>It makes Thoth furry as well...he had an Ibis' head IIRC.
>>
>>well, his statue was blue. BLUE!
>>
>I dont recall seeing a statue of him...just paintings on walls.
>Was he furry?
It was in the british museam, he had the body of a man, and the head
of an ibis.
>>>>>>>Listening to Simon & Garfield?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Richie Blackmore now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Beats the Eagles...
>>>>
>>>>IT's like folk rock, he's a guitart ghod(TM) but not so tedoiously
>>>>masturbationry as Vai or Malmsteen.
>>>>
>>>I've probably heard him...Vai isnt mastubatory...vertuoso maybe...
>>
>>Malmsteen is. It's like wee wee wee, but with guitars.
>>
>Its too much arpeggios, not enough funk...
I've never heard anything by Vai acutally.
>>>>>>I'm not acutally going traveling for about 2 and half to 3 months
>>>>>>mind, I'll be working in toronto for that time, mind you, since my
>>>>>>parents insist that I send them an e-mail when I do go traveling,
>>>>>>maybe I can do it then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>They want you to be safe. CANADA IS DANGEROUS!!!!
>>>>>Roving bands of hockey players have been beating up people...its atrocious.
>>>>
>>>>Apparantly, They play hockey there and acutally find it enterainting!
>>>>Canadian hockey here appears on the 5th channel, at 2 o clock in the
>>>>morning.
>>>>
>>>I can't stand it- its stupid as that NASCAR shit...
>>
>>Is that where they race round and round in an endless loop forever?
>>
>500 miles of zoom ,zoom, zoom...and for what?
>At least hockey players sometimes beat the shit outta each other.
THey have hockey playes on canadia banknotes, and pictures of boring
pimie minsters who no one has ever heard of. Not even even canaidans.
>>>>>>>Oops! Yeap...no human rights violations here....
>>>>>Heres the real deal:
>>>>>http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/03/10/osp_moveon/
>>>>>
>>>>>Its a long article but it details why we went to IRAQ in the first
>place...as
>>>>>told by an insider.Its the proverbial Smoking Gun that if it gets
>widespread
>>>>>media attention, will sink Bush's "re"-election.
>>>>>It blows the administrations cover story right outta the water...
>>>>
>>>>The spanish goverment lied to. It claimed that the bombing in madrid
>>>>was the work of ETA (a native teroorist organisation) and said that
>>>>the they had "definitive evidence", howeveer, They knew within a few
>>>>hours that the explosive used was a saudi arabian brand. Yet they
>>>>still tried to claim that ETA did it.
>>>>
>>>I got the impression that they thought that the groups had formed a temporary
>>>alliance for the attack.
>>>
>>>>They lied and paid the price, They got voted out.
>>>>
>>>I also thought it was because they supported having their forces in Iraq.
>>
>>I doubt that they would ally together, That's probably just more
>>goverment lies to try and cover their backs. When it coems to the
>>"war" on terro, You just cannot trust a word of goverments.
>>
>Well....maybe a word or two...but there was definitly an agenda in place
>*before* 9-11...too many people have come forward now to be ignored.
>War is usually about resources. Thus our interest in s. america an africa.
If the media does not give them publicity or drops it, The goverment
can *useualy* ride it out though. Not even Marx realised what power
the media would have.
>>>>>>>>>He knows the universe and does not know himself.
>>>>>>>>> -Jean de la Fontaine
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>They know the price of everything, But the value of nothing?!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Virtue has never been as respectable as money.
>>>>>>> -Mark twain
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone
>>>>>>lives"
>>>>>>
>>>>>Teach me to live that I may dread
>>>>>The grave as little as my bed.
>>>>>-Thomas Ken
>>>>
>>>>"Faith, like a jackal, feeds among the tombs, and even
>>>>from these dead doubts she gathers her most vital hope."
>>>>
>>>Faith which does not doubt is dead faith.
>>> -Miguel de Unamuno
>>
>>Audentis Fortuna iuvat
>>
>Originality is undetected plagarism.
> -W.R. Inge
"I do not belive in the equality of the negro and white races"
- Abraham lincoln
>>>>>>Well, Yes, But I don't know about the solving of IRQ conflicts, I can
>>>>>>look at some control panel which says if they exist though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Do you know how to use Windoze help? Then you can use teh L337
>troubleshooter
>>>>>:)
>>>>>U R N XPRT!
>>>>
>>>>Windows help never helped me.
>>>>
>>>You gotta have faith?
>>>;)
>>
>>Oh! Oh! I installed some new drivers for my grahpics card and it made
>>the system unstable! whenever I tried to save anything for some
>>reason, It would just crash.
>>
>IRQ conflict. Two bits of hardware are trying to access the same IRQ channel at
>once.
>
>>I rolled back the drivers and now it works fine!
>>
>Never upgrade unless absolutely necessary :)
>Sometimes you can manually re-assign DMA and IRQ and all that crap...but often
>the easiest way is to burn your disk down to th ground with a completely
>*fresh* OS install with the new hardware in place and let the system *detect*
>and *assign* the IRQ channels & shit itself. But be prepared to spend an hour
>debugging it anyway :OP
I remember the Acorn we had, I never had to do anything to that ever.
IT didn't even have a hard drive mind you, You had to create a ram
disc whenever you wanted to say.. work ona word processing docment or
a paint picture.
That was a pain. And it had a computer game which had a design flaw in
a level, So that a bit where you had to jump, Your charecter could not
jump that far, But it drove my father nuts trying till he worjed that
one out.
>>>>>>>>>>My father acutally earns less than me per hour, when taxes et al are
>>>>>>>>>>factored in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>0_o Whoa... but the benifits make up for it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Umm... well, if 60 pence per day for travel allowences coutn as
>>>>>>>>benefits, yes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I meant like some kind of health & dental plan...a retirement account...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Of course not, There is nothing like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Whoa. My dad got benni's from being a prof....funny that yours didnt.
>>>>
>>>>Bennis? My father got to be bald by the time he was 40 if that helps.
>>>>
>>>Benifits=bennis. Baldness is just too much testosterone.
>>
>>And stress!
>>
>Um....mostly genetic...carried by genes on the mothers side of the family.
>IIRC...
And alzenheimer and testicle cancer, My faimly on my mothers side has
a lot of that.
>>>>>These walled self sufficient villages seem a bit like Lords & Serfs...
>>>>>hmmmmm.
>>>>
>>>>well, perhaps people will in time "sell themselves" as it where, to a
>>>>corperation or rich person, and get houseing and food in exchange for
>>>>working for them forever.
>>>>
>>>Theres some stupid new teevee show where people vie for favor with Donald
>Trump
>>>and he gets to fire them...like a corporate version of 'Survivor'.
>>>What an egomaniac.
>>
>>And what sort of sniveliny weaseal would want to take part?
>>They deserve everytyhin they get, But I object to it appearing on T.V.
>>
>People who want to be on teevee??? Seems like with this making Trump an icon,
>they (whoever they are) are trying to sell the greed is good idea to the public
>again.
People with money and power. That's who. Like buisnessmen, There was
an article in the paper,Where an employer moaned about the new laws
which mean that people are legally not allowed to work more than 48
hours a week mean that people won't be able to earn lots of money from
overtime.
Hte idea that he could just... pay people more, didn't appear to cross
his mind.
>>>>I bet that this "indentured servitued" will be made legal or whatever
>>>>in the future, As people become too poor to even afford houses.
>>>>
>>>Thats what the military is for: push up unemployment to the level where
>people
>>>become desperate enough to sign up.
>>>
>>>>Why, Think about mexcian maids and stuff, It's pracitcaly done now.
>>>>
>>>And Bush wants to bring more in...
>>
>>And there is the fear of latinos and hispanics. I read articles in the
>>newspapers about how americans will be OVERWHELMED with them.
>>
>By 2050 america will no longer be a white-majority nation.
>
>>I think it's white people being scared of what they did to everyone
>>else.
>>
>Its people not wanting to be in the minority :)
>Heh...
SO they want the cheap labour without the people, Perhaps they'd be
better off with robots?
>>>>>>I've never been anywhere here, I have never seen any place at all come
>>>>>>to think of it, where you cannot see the signs of human habitation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I can't imagine it. Makes me shudder thinkin of it! Looking around, seeing
>>>>>nothing but nature, that makes me feel "safe" somehow knowing that theres
>>>still
>>>>>some land that hasn't been marred by the hand of man.
>>>>
>>>>Sometimes It's nice, Like looking at a nice granite dam in wales, but
>>>>sometimes it's seeing coke cans out up on hills that are at least 3 or
>>>>4 miles from the nearest village.
>>>>
>>>Yeah...trash has a way of spoiling ones veiw.
>>
>>Sometimes the lorries carrying away gravel and stuff from the local
>>gravel quarrus are so overloaded it spills on the road. That happend
>>once while I was driveing, but it wasn't going anywhere near me
>>thankgod.
>>
>The sand trucks in the winter have a blade on the front that throws snow to the
>side of th road...they travel 50-60 mph...they also pick up the rocks and throw
>them at your windshield...from the sand they spread. I got *3* new chips this
>year :(
Some deliquent girl attacked mt mothers car with a brick, smashed the
backwinder and chipped the paint where it was chipped, started to
rust...
>>>>>Let the mud-slinging begin...
>>>>
>>>>Noam Chomsky backed Kerry as "bush-lite" saying that kerry was
>>>>slihgtly better than bish.
>>>>
>>>Where'd you see that?
>>
>>In the "guardian" it was a few days ago. Saturday I think.
>>
>Why does a linguist think his opinion of politics is important?
Becasue he's an intellectual of world stature.
>>>>>>>>>>I can be anything I want to be and do anything I want to, because I'm
>>>>>>>>>>young and have my whole life ahead of me!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yep.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Er... No.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why not? You're really a 45 yr old houswife in georgia who weighs 250
>>>lbs???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Because I am limited by my circumstances and wealth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Well....I think its also attitudinal. I think I'm limited a lot by my
>>>>>persistent feelings of helplessness when I examine what others have done,
>how
>>>>>large collectives can crush opposition, that kind of thing.
>>>>
>>>>When I look at my art, I think of people like Durer and weep and feel
>>>>crap.
>>>>
>>>LOL! Heh...look at Paul Klee then :)
>>>Juan Miro...Marcel Duchamp.
>>
>>I feel slighty better, but I know of 15 year olds with "innate talent"
>>who are better than I. It uis humial;uiteing, I hope they die die die
>>die. That would be nice.
>>
>Why? Stop compareing yourself to them. The deal with being an artist is your
>personal vision. That can't be copyied. I'm not doing art anymore because my
>parents might see it and they never liked it....lots. And I dont feel the need
>to express myself that way any longer. But if you have a idea that wants to be
>expressed via drawing or whatever, just do it...regardless.
That's sad, My parents don't really care (as in the sense of makeing
fuss and bother) about what I draw. Though they did seem to be rather
uncomrtable when they were looking at my life drawing folder, Nekkid
people squicks em'!
DAmn, That means a Looooong essay with big words and research.
>>though read "lonesome dove", that takes away the romeance.
>>
>Never read it. Watched westerns though...
>
>>FWIW, IIRC I remember rading in some book about how some french bloke
>>in the 18th century did a survey of prostitues in his town (in the
>>interests of science of course) and reporting that about 1/4th of them
>>had hairy nipples.
>>
>Mmmmmmmmmmm...nipple fur! Theres some advert on teevee where a drop of water
>runs down this girls stomach...shes covered in this awsum tiny fine blond
>hair...the backlighting is perfect so you can see it real well...obviuosly...I
>have a fetish.
Well, hair is a wholesome natural thing, and for most of history,
women didn;'t shave, and neither did men.
I mean, copper razors and only water to lubricate yer face? No thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>YOU R NO JOB WELFARE MAN!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>IR BABOON!
>>>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It must be nice not haveing to get up a 6.30 and then walking to work
>>>>>>>>like a zombie.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>When I was working I always got up on time and being a morning person was
>>>>>>>usually more animated than the rest of the sloths I worked with :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm only a morning person when I don't have to work. I usueally fall
>>>>>>asleep at work in the mornings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>What kind of job lets you do that!?
>>>>
>>>>A job where the bosses work in another building...
>>>>
>>>Kewl. I liked the semi-autonomous aspect of driving around in a van and going
>>>to peoples houses all by myself :)
>>>I kept hoping that somwon would make a pass at me....but it never happened :(
>>
>>WEll, perhaps people cut across at roundabouts?
>>
>I meant sexually...in their house...a come-on by a lonely housewife?
>Sheesh Dave, get your mind back here in the gutter...my blood is PURE
>VIAGRUH!!!
It hink I read some article by a Psych. somewhere who said that most
IRC channels defailt to sex talk if the topic drifts enough.
>>>>>>Don't laptops get hot and burn out though?
>>>>>>
>>>>>No...the drive can be set to 'spin-down' after a set period of time. Its
>>>>>controlled in the Display Properties & Screen savers tab...this one wont
>wake
>>>>>properly after it goes to "sleep" so I just have the drive stop spinning
>and
>>>>>the screen blank out after 20 minutes of inactivity. If you have one that
>>>will
>>>>>sleep properly it uses about 2-5 watts of juice.
>>>>
>>>>Well, That's not so bad I guess, I have an energy saveign bulb for my
>>>>room, it's like a little neon tube, I badgred my parents to get energy
>>>>saveing bulbs for the rest of the house but they said no.
>>>>
>>>Tell them its really not a communist plot...
>>
>>The council give grants for energy effiency stuff, but to save money,
>>they stopped. But surely, In the end it will save more moeny to have
>>engery saveing since less electricity et al?!?!
>>
>Yes, but you see its all about the short-term gain now with stupid gits like
>Tony & George...
They condemned isreal kill the wheelchair man, but then froze the
accounts of people connected with him. Say one ting, do antoher.
I can look out of my window and see a factory on fire out on the
industrial estate. Lots of thick black smoke. I hope its not orrible
chemicals.
>>>>>>>>>Black Lung was a 'orrible way to die...
>>>>>>>>>But you'd be suprised how much coal a 6 yr old can dig in a 16 hour
>>>day...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I can clean two rooms in 3 hours!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How big a room? I used to clean five houses a day as a carpet
>>>>>>>cleaner...averaging about 3 rooms per house.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They're about like 10 meters by 5.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Wow. Are you using a toothbrush and a sponge?
>>>>
>>>>I suffer from a lack of decent wages. This makes me work very slowly
>>>>and never do anything unless specificaly instructed to do it.
>>>>
>>>Heh eh heh eh heh...yeah...thats one thing about being on an hourly wage; you
>>>tend to milk the clock.
>>
>>I put the clock at work is 10 meniutes fast :o)
>>
>You changed the time clock for the punch cards?
>For shame...
There are no punch cards, and today was my lasyt day. The person who
replaces me is spanish and will be working from 1 o clok in the
morning till 4!?!?!
>>>>>>>>Intereinstly enough, When the spainish and portuguese conqured the new
>>>>>>>>world, Most people were split into too camps, Either the natives were
>>>>>>>>horrible heathen savages who should be enslaved to teach them the
>>>>>>>>error of their ways, Or else they were pure and innocent noble savages
>>>>>>>>who should be educated by er... enslaveing them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Make them like us!!!! Only without any rights...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>well, The incas planned to enslave the spainyards when they first
>>>>>>found the, But the spainyards pre-emtively masscared them. more than
>>>>>>7000 of them, each spainyward cilled about 15 indiands each for only
>>>>>>the loss of 5 spainwards in total.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Your disgraphia is amusing :)
>>>>>Technology beat the Incas. Its not like they were a peaceful & kind people
>>>>>though. Soccer matches where the loosing team dies is a bit harsh eh?
>>>>
>>>>It's not funny! I have trouble distuguinshing left and right, I've
>>>>almost caused an accident while learning to drive cos of that.
>>>>
>>>ROTFLMAO! OMG!!! Heh...stick to public transportation then :)
>>
>>What, And go nowhere at all, or wait for busdrivers to finfish eating
>>their lunch or something?
>>
>It cant be that bad...take the "tube"...
Oh hurah, being pressed up against sweaty beuinessmen in a crushing
carriegffe.
>>>>I write "R" and "L" on my hands in black marker.
>>>>
>>>Theres an easier way: muscle memory. Get a dumbell or weight set and have one
>>>in each hand. Each time you lift one side say aloud the correct name for it;
>>>right or left.
>>>Or a punching bag; punch left, punch right...over & over.
>>
>>I'll hit my father then.
>>
>o_0 Why?
Because he won't diet. He needs encouragement.
>>>>>>>>I think about two people maybe said that they were people "just like
>>>>>>>>us".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They were obviously ignored...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think it was the ships full of gold that did it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Yes. But they still found time to fuck their women pleanty while calling
>the
>>>>>men heathens & kill em. Mexicans are mostly a mixture of spanish and Indian
>>>>>ancestors.
>>>>>Truly...the history of humanity is very inspireing.
>>>>
>>>>Pizzaros brother ("juan" IIRC) took any women he wanted to bed. He
>>>>came to a bad end mind, He got beheaded.
>>>>
>>>For the orgys?
>>
>>Just for being a bastard, the conquistoders faught each other afrter
>>the though for tindans.
>>
>Poor bastard...
Well, he did rape women (he took any women he wanted, Even against
their will) and murder their husbands. I don't think its that sad.
>>>>>>>>Well, IIRC the alchold age in canada is 19!! so I'll be dprived there
>>>>>>>>for two months.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Like you've been deprived of it where you are now?
>>>>>>>;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At the lecture, They said "most of your social life there will
>>>>>>revolved around alcohol"
>>>>>>
>>>>>So don't expect any better! JUST GIVE IN NOW!!!!!
>>>>>Lovely message.
>>>>
>>>>What? It's a british tradition that at social functions you drink till
>>>>you're drunk. Also, It's rare to drink "for pleasure" people will
>>>>mostly drink to get drunk. Seriously, I've seen it first hand.
>>>>
>>>Me too. Its a drug epidemic. but a profitable one for the government, so they
>>>allow it.
>>
>>I did it a few times, In the morning I said "no more", but I did it
>>again, But only with friends interelising enoguh,
>>
>Got any alcoholics in your family?
Yes. Two. both on my fathers side.
>>>>>>>>We don't get that here, we have The New scientist and "medevil
>>>>>>>>history". it had an interesting article about Uroscopy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Was it called, " A pictorial guide to the pee-hole"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They thought they could tel everything that was wrong with you, just
>>>>>>by looking at the color of your pee.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Ahhh...people have applied the same idea to the color of ones eyes.
>>>>>And bumps on the head...
>>>>>palmistry...
>>>>>facial types...tis all bunk!
>>>>
>>>>Its still popular, Biometric tests et al.
>>>>
>>>Faith healing and homeopathic crap...
>>
>>a docotor here got into tourble for giveing someone that when they
>>shoiuld have given them anti0-depressents.
>>
>>DEspite the person was an recovering alchoholic, They refused and gave
>>them sulphar.
>>
>Like I said...crap medicine. But faith can "heal" people sometimes.
>Its the placebo effect and psychosomatic result of a strong belief. There is a
>mind-body connection.
Well,That's becuse your brain is in your skull. Appanratly the next
big thing is chinese medecine, We're going to plunder it for drugs.
>>>>>>Well, American newspaprs have been bashing spain for voteing out the
>>>>>>prime minsters who lied to them about the bombs, he blamed it on ETA,
>>>>>>when it was mostly likely islamic terorotists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Or maybe a new temporary alliance of the two? I wonder if they realise that
>>>>>they (Spain) just rewarded "bad behavior"?
>>>>
>>>>The spanish voted out the goverment that lied to them and created this
>>>>whole mess by suppprtong the iraq invasion.
>>>>
>>>I know...I'm a news addict...
>>>
>>>>OF course< bush and co hate the spanish for exceruiseing their
>>>>democratice right.
>>>>
>>>In a way it could send the wrong message to the terrorists: blow shit up, get
>>>what you want.
>>
>>But the incomeing spanish goverment has pledged to gfight teroorism et
>>al.
>>
>Ok. But dont you think it might send a message to the terrorists?
>Hmmmm?
What, like underminding the reasons why people support them?
>>>>>>>>Prboe, is, I don't know I can afford a Postgraduate degree, but I so
>>>>>>>>want to have a P.H.D, so that people wil call me "Dr. David"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey...what did I tell you? Only Rich People Deserve To Have Degrees.
>>>>>>>Now *dont* forget.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I tried to apply to a college which takes more than 50% of it's intake
>>>>>>from private schools, but they didn't even reply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Filling out applications for practice eh?
>>>>
>>>>Well, UCAS did it all for me mind. I got into a uni anyway, The very
>>>>same one my father went to.
>>>>
>>>Take a class in arabic :) Work for MI6 or whatever they're called.
>>
>>That would be too much hard work. I'd rather sit at home and vegatate
>>over a book.
>>
><rolls eyes>
<rolls a six>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The papers there are ripping him a new arsehole on the whole Iraq
>thing:
>>>>>>>>>http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1164326,00.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The guardian still supports him ultimatel,y It is the voice of the
>>>>>>>>bourgous.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I like the Independent :)
>>>>>>>I just found it the other day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They do that in a handbag sized edition! with extra small text.
>>>>>>
>>>>>It loads quickly. thats a big plus as far as Im concerned for news.
>>>>
>>>>the WSWS loads as quick as you please.
>>>>
>>>Ah...the sundayjournal loads really slow but its not got any fancy jpgs.
>>>I like this: www.dailyrotten.com
>>
>>Coo, Poliec chiefs sun shoots husky with bow and arrow.
>>
>AWK! I didnt see that one...how sad :(
>Or I blocked it mentally...
You did find it!
It makes me sadder than some news I've read about people dieing for
some reason though. Poor little dog, Dieing like that.
What, singing songs about why heavy metal is so great?
(meta-metal?!?!)
>>>>>>>>>>You can just lock people in a room which is all white, Feed them white
>>>>>>>>>>rice on white plates and make them wear white clothes, Just like they
>>>>>>>>>>do in iran...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sounds like science fiction...is there a point to it?
>>>>>>>>>Some sort of sensory deprivation?
>>>>>>>>>Sleep deprivation is the most effective "tool" in brainwashing IIRC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, Sensory deprivation, They shine bright white light in 24 hours a
>>>>>>>>day, So bright that it's apparantly like you're in an endless white
>>>>>>>>space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The innuit people would have a distinct advantage...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah, But I suspect even they, if they were not allowed to talk, read
>>>>>>or do anything but stay in there would go barmy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>So its also isolation. Might crack them...but you never know.
>>>>
>>>>In guatnamo bay, while beating the prisoners, The guads schanted
>>>>something like "conform, conform, conform, don't resist, resisit".
>>>>
>>>>Brain washing!
>>>>
>>>They gave water as a "reward". I think that says it all.
>>
>>The withdrew that Coke "dasaani" minderal water here cos it had
>>carcinogenic contatmination. PR disaster!
>>
>Most bottled water is just tap water. Carry your own and get one of those
>filters fer yer tap.
>
>>IT's just RO water anyway, From the tap.
>>
>Whats "ro"?
Reverse Osmosis, REmoves everything (includeing the flavour) from
water.
It removes all particles from it, My father uses it in fishtank so he
can add his own blend of minderals.
It doesnt have any tate at all, just dampness.
They also had nazi swastikes on their aircraft, but not nazi ones,
They got them on before the nazis did.
>>>>>>>>>>Well, IT COULD BE WORSE.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How so?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>LOL! Hard to imagine?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Maybe if hitler won world war 2 or something?
>>>>>>
>>>>>That would probably suck.
>>>>
>>>>we'd still have bing crosbyt apparnatly though, accotrding to
>>>>thistorians.
>>>>
>>>Just his head? In a tank with tubes and wires?
>>
>>Well, It was writteen in the late 1960;s./
>>
>Sci-fi isn't history...its MAKE BELIEVE!
Scien fiction today, Relaity tomorrow, Obselete next week
- some bloke
>>>>>>>>>>>Jerusalem *is* really their city though...you have to admit...the
>>>wailing
>>>>>>>>>wall
>>>>>>>>>>>and all that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It's part of the worlds CULTURAL HERITIGE. It belongs to us ALL.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>One question: do the jews deserve a homeland?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>does anyone deserve a homeland just because of their relegion?
>>>>>>>>No.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hmmmmm...arn't they claiming to be a distinct race or tribe as well?
>>>>>>>With a unique culture & yada yada yada?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, you could say the same about the english and the welsh and the
>>>>>>scots, but we call tjhem "British".
>>>>>>
>>>>>The Irish seem to think they deserve a homeland.
>>>>
>>>>iReland bloned to england till the 1920;'s you know.
>>>>
>>>1916 they had a meeting at the post office...shots were fired...you could say
>>>the Irish went postal ;)
>>
>>For the nest 80 years or so.
>>
>LOL! Heh...I guess you folks have had a civil war of your own, eh?
why yes, in 1641 to 45 I think.
I saw the death warrent for the king, When the finally got him.
Er... well.. No. The peasents were being taxed at what was for them a
huge rate, while rich people paid the same, which was to them,
nothing.
So they rose up to demand justice, they killed some of the rich people
(But hey, These were brutal times) and then wat tyler was killed.
The king promised to let everyone else off, but then he hung em; all.
Then there was lots more opression forever and ever.
>>>>>>>I always prefered the science fiction that pushed the envelope: creatures
>>>>>that
>>>>>>>are gas clouds, crystal based...stuff that challenged your imagination.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hmmm, Gene Wolfes "book of the new sun" is pretty interesint, like
>>>>>>there are predators which absorb the concioness of those they eat, and
>>>>>>the charecter has an odd converstaion with one, or is the people it
>>>>>>has eaten eh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Sounds kewl.
>>>>
>>>>The book is a bit hard to understand though, The world has changed so
>>>>much that it's hard tor elated to and understand the way the future
>>>>people think and act.
>>>>
>>>>Though I supporse, That is the whole point of it.
>>>>
>>>Exactly. Why shouldn't there be a cultural revolution between now and 3000?
>>>Maybe women rise to power?
>>
>>That scares me. What if men were treated like women are treated
>>noW?!!?!?
>>
>Gee...chicks opening doors for me...wooing me (thus taking the pressure off
>*me* to be the sexual agressor) being the primary bread-winner...so whats not
>to like?
Er.. Well, Hmmm. What if they pinch yo' ass and patronise you or
something?
You might feel violated and insecure!
>>>>>>There's also an enture nation who are only tought in, speak and
>>>>>>communicate in propaganda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's also set in the far future of earth, And the city of vast towers,
>>>>>>you eventually ralize that they are rockets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Science fiction makes you think at least while it entertains you.
>>>>
>>>>IAin M. Banks "the Culture" series are very lefty liberal.
>>>>
>>>>They are set in a future civlisation where history has essentialy
>>>>ended, There is a perfect communist goverment controled by machines
>>>>which are infinately more inteligent and powerul than humans, but they
>>>>run this perfect worlds for humans just because it amuses them to.
>>>>
>>>I need to read me sum Sci Fi...again.
>>
>>My father liked Ray Bradbury.
>>
>Bradbury was good...Poul Anderson, Ursula K. LeGuin, Jerry Pournelle, Larry
>Niven...yep...the golden age of Sci-fi...
I liked "A wizard of Earthsea", that was a leguin, it has lovely
illustartion the version I have.
>>>>>>>>>I wonder if historians will look back on the 20th century as some kind
>of
>>>>>>>>>second Dark Age?
>>>>>>>>>:(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Maybe we will descend into a neo-fuedal dark age where people do
>>>>>>>>"indentured" work for corperations. they give you a roof and food and
>>>>>>>>in terutn, you work for them forever.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yeah, with house prices what they are...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The coming of the two tiered social structure...
>>>>>>>BUT THINK OF THE LOW PRICES AT WALMART!!!!1111!!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I bought 4 pairs of trousers for just Ł4 each!
>>>>>>
>>>>>Theres a Walmart there too?!?!?!?
>>>>>AGGGGGHH!
>>>>
>>>>Well, It's a wholly owned subsidery.
>>>>
>>>But its got the logo and everything!?!? they have been doing a lot of damage
>>>control ads here on teevee about how Walmart is so great to work for and they
>>>are sponsors of this & that charity.
>>>Its so damn obvious...
>>
>>No, It doesn't have the logo, it's called "Asda", but they do run
>>logos where people slap their asses (to symbolise how muchn money they
>>are saveing) and talk about how much they love aSSda.
>>
>LOL! Cute.
They have a smilly face as a logo. It dances around teh screen and
disspease into peoples asses.
>>>>>>>The warping of your mind? I was joking...but really....carpets just
>*wont*
>>>>>come
>>>>>>>clean unless you use a pre-treatment to loosen the soil :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ah, That would explain why the carpet cleaning at work never worked.
>>>>>>The boss insisted, So I did it, But even though it smelt nice after,
>>>>>>it didn't acuitally look much better. I pretended it did though and
>>>>>>said that it was a really good idea for him to have me do that and
>>>>>>stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Unless you have harsh chemicals, very hot water, and powerful vaccuming to
>>>suck
>>>>>it all up, you dont get a good job.
>>>>>More power is better.
>>>>
>>>>I found the vacumm cleaner in the storeoom and it was dusty anyway!
>>>>
>>>0_o
>>
>>If I clean cleaning quipment, Does that make it meta-cleaning?
>>
>Um....yeah...thats the ticket...
>WE HAD TO WASH & WAX TEH VANS AT OUR OWN EXPENSE!!!!
I had to bring my own keyring!
Apparntly, I read in a cmputer magazine that microsoft pay people to
go on the internet and talk up their products and diss linux.
No, Non-shatter proof is. It'#s plastic.
>>Like, It's easier to pull one card out of a house , than to make it in
>>the first palce.
>>
>I use the house of cards analogy when I rant to myself on the nature of bio-
>diversity and how lower levels support higher levels.
>I'm very self-entertaining :)
I talk to myself when I listen to CDs. I balence the player on my head
and walk around taking to myself about marxism.
>>>>>>>>Yeah, but machine guns are machine guns, A rifle is a rifle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And a car is a car. I fail to see the subtle distinction you're trying to
>>>>>make.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A Maxmim gun can fire something like 650 rounds per minute from 250
>>>>>>round belts. IIRC, the bullets are lethal at about 1000 yards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I now see your distinction.
>>>>
>>>>The idea of baptists owning them makes me cry.
>>>>
>>>Baptists aren't so bad...evangelicals though! Ask them if a jew can get to
>>>heaven some time :)
>>
>>I had a jehovas witness tell me thta I wasn't going to go to heaven
>>and that I would burn in hell.
>>
>Thats just a scare tactic to sell...I used that when selling scotchguard for
>carpets ;)
Coo, So I never need to wash again eh?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well, They can afford people to carry them for them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And afford better lawyers when things go wrong...I HACE FINALLY SEEN TEH
>>>>>>>LITE!!! ALL HAIL TEH RICH FOR TEHY ARE TEH BETTER AND GOD CHOSEN WONS!!!
>>>>>>>I feel so much better now knowing the truth :)
>>>>>>>I hace got teh inlitenment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Madonna had a media article where she talked about how she loved
>>>>>>shooting so much,.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Heh...I wonder if shes trying to put the FEAR OF GOD into anyone
>considering
>>>>>stalking her?
>>>>>Or maybe she just likes guns :)
>>>>
>>>>Or the upper class image that pheastent shooting projects..
>>>>
>>>And those friggin fox hunters...Madonna in riding boots and crop?
>>>Only if shes topless :)
>>
>>Go and take a cold shower.
>>
>More one handed typing perhaps...
Useing an electric razor with the other?
I can shave and type at the same time!
>>>>>>>>>> Wow, I want to make my own matchlock rifle!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You can buy kits thru the mail without a permit or any background
>checks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to make a real matchlock?Ź? K4wl. I wonder If could get one back
>>>>>>>>through customs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You'd probably have to ship it by air-freight I'd guess. Your gun shop
>>>could
>>>>>>>tell you how to get it home legally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Matchlock mechanisms themselves seem rather simple. Some of them just
>>>>>>had an S shaped lever with a clip to hold the smouldering match.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Get some pipe and a hacksaw and get crackin...oh...and an anvil, torch, and
>>>>>some tongs and a drill-press and...
>>>>
>>>>I have a screwdriver and some scissors.
>>>>
>>>Its a start.
>>
>>I have some sandpaper too, The extra fine sort.
>>
>You need a drill...boring holes is important to making firearms.
Wouldn;t I just fall asleep over a boring hole?
would it have nothign itnersting to say?
>>>>>>>>>>>>It's easier to smash the toy than to make a new one remember.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>+NRA types make me cry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Now you've lost me...
>>>>>>>>>>>0_o
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Well, There were a few "funny" people at the shooting club, I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>>one knows the sort...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Um....comedians?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The sort who buy lots and lots of knives and swords and guns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Collectors? Plushie collectors give me the willies!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There is something odd about grown men haveing stuffed toys. I have
>>>>>>wally wale, From when I was little, Made from flannel. but that is
>>>>>>all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I have Wile E Coyote from when me mum saw him at a yard sale a few years
>>>back.
>>>>>Iem teh freeky plush owner :(
>>>>
>>>>my mother brought me a book about "growing up", I never raed it and
>>>>set fire to a bit of it once.
>>>>
>>>Is that a thinly veiled criticism? I'll be forced to impose a furry 30 day
>shun
>>>on you.
>>
>>I hope you bought your monther a mothers day present, I bought her
>>some... Choclates.
>>
>Um....when was Mothers Day again? My sisters husband died last week...I think
>I'll buy her a fence...
Eh? That's sad though. someone at work, Their partner went to the
docotr on saturday, found out they had advanced cancer, and they're
haveing a big operation next wedsnesy.
I just don't know what to say when you people say stuff like that, no
one does, There was just silence.
>>>>I have a "shiv", or I did, But I threw it away cos sand got into the
>>>>mechanism.
>>>>
>>>A "shiv" is any knife, not limited to switchblades & stillettos :)
>>>FYI
>>>I've had both...but I always wore out the mechanism playing with them :(
>>
>>I had a nice french stainless stell knife, I used it to clean my
>>nails.
>>
>I like Ginsu knives...the word "ginsu" was made up just to market the product!
>Heh...
A certain german village put running wolves on their knives as a
brand.
§ńühwřŁf
<406435da...@news.individual.net>:
>§ńühwřŁf <snuhwo...@hotmail.com> shall never vanquished be until
>great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
>him.
>
>>>>>Your newsreader should be called Anubis, not Thoth. Thoth was just
>>>>>some scribal god of knowledge, but anubis had a jackals head!
>>>>>
>>>>>That makes him furry.
>>>>>
>>>>It makes Thoth furry as well...he had an Ibis' head IIRC.
>>>
>>>well, his statue was blue. BLUE!
>>>
>>I dont recall seeing a statue of him...just paintings on walls.
>>Was he furry?
>
>It was in the british museam, he had the body of a man, and the head
>of an ibis.
>
I meant do you think he was a lifestyler?
;)
>>>>>>>>Listening to Simon & Garfield?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Richie Blackmore now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Beats the Eagles...
>>>>>
>>>>>IT's like folk rock, he's a guitart ghod(TM) but not so tedoiously
>>>>>masturbationry as Vai or Malmsteen.
>>>>>
>>>>I've probably heard him...Vai isnt mastubatory...vertuoso maybe...
>>>
>>>Malmsteen is. It's like wee wee wee, but with guitars.
>>>
>>Its too much arpeggios, not enough funk...
>
>I've never heard anything by Vai acutally.
>
OMG! Get "Passion and Warfare". Its very nice :)
I like the cut "Greasy Kid Stuff" alot.
>>>>>Apparantly, They play hockey there and acutally find it enterainting!
>>>>>Canadian hockey here appears on the 5th channel, at 2 o clock in the
>>>>>morning.
>>>>>
>>>>I can't stand it- its stupid as that NASCAR shit...
>>>
>>>Is that where they race round and round in an endless loop forever?
>>>
>>500 miles of zoom ,zoom, zoom...and for what?
>>At least hockey players sometimes beat the shit outta each other.
>
>THey have hockey playes on canadia banknotes, and pictures of boring
>pimie minsters who no one has ever heard of. Not even even canaidans.
>
Ive seen their money...its very...colorful and artistic...yeah...
>>>>>
>>>>>The spanish goverment lied to. It claimed that the bombing in madrid
>>>>>was the work of ETA (a native teroorist organisation) and said that
>>>>>the they had "definitive evidence", howeveer, They knew within a few
>>>>>hours that the explosive used was a saudi arabian brand. Yet they
>>>>>still tried to claim that ETA did it.
>>>>>
>>>>I got the impression that they thought that the groups had formed a
temporary
>>>>alliance for the attack.
>>>>
>>>>>They lied and paid the price, They got voted out.
>>>>>
>>>>I also thought it was because they supported having their forces in Iraq.
>>>
>>>I doubt that they would ally together, That's probably just more
>>>goverment lies to try and cover their backs. When it coems to the
>>>"war" on terro, You just cannot trust a word of goverments.
>>>
>>Well....maybe a word or two...but there was definitly an agenda in place
>>*before* 9-11...too many people have come forward now to be ignored.
>>War is usually about resources. Thus our interest in s. america an africa.
>
>If the media does not give them publicity or drops it, The goverment
>can *useualy* ride it out though. Not even Marx realised what power
>the media would have.
>
Really? Was it Lenin then who came up with the idea of propaganda?
>>>>>>Teach me to live that I may dread
>>>>>>The grave as little as my bed.
>>>>>>-Thomas Ken
>>>>>
>>>>>"Faith, like a jackal, feeds among the tombs, and even
>>>>>from these dead doubts she gathers her most vital hope."
>>>>>
>>>>Faith which does not doubt is dead faith.
>>>> -Miguel de Unamuno
>>>
>>>Audentis Fortuna iuvat
>>>
>>Originality is undetected plagarism.
>> -W.R. Inge
>
>"I do not belive in the equality of the negro and white races"
>- Abraham lincoln
>
The defect of equality is that we only desire it with our superiors.
-Henri Becque
>>>I rolled back the drivers and now it works fine!
>>>
>>Never upgrade unless absolutely necessary :)
>>Sometimes you can manually re-assign DMA and IRQ and all that crap...but
often
>>the easiest way is to burn your disk down to th ground with a completely
>>*fresh* OS install with the new hardware in place and let the system *detect*
>>and *assign* the IRQ channels & shit itself. But be prepared to spend an hour
>>debugging it anyway :OP
>
>I remember the Acorn we had, I never had to do anything to that ever.
>IT didn't even have a hard drive mind you, You had to create a ram
>disc whenever you wanted to say.. work ona word processing docment or
>a paint picture.
>
The original Tandy laptops had no HDD either :)
They ran on C cell batteries and were used extensivly in Desert Storm...they
were dropped, beat on, etc...but were VERY reliable.
>That was a pain. And it had a computer game which had a design flaw in
>a level, So that a bit where you had to jump, Your charecter could not
>jump that far, But it drove my father nuts trying till he worjed that
>one out.
>
Heh...I'm trying to install win 98 in a 486 with 32mb ram...it keeps crapping
out though...might have to reveiw the system requirements for a sucessfull 98SE
install.
Its fun :)
>>>>>>Whoa. My dad got benni's from being a prof....funny that yours didnt.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bennis? My father got to be bald by the time he was 40 if that helps.
>>>>>
>>>>Benifits=bennis. Baldness is just too much testosterone.
>>>
>>>And stress!
>>>
>>Um....mostly genetic...carried by genes on the mothers side of the family.
>>IIRC...
>
>And alzenheimer and testicle cancer, My faimly on my mothers side has
>a lot of that.
>
Hmmm...theres some new evidence suggesting that MAd Cow disease is often mis-
diagnosed as alzheimers.
>>>>Theres some stupid new teevee show where people vie for favor with Donald
>>Trump
>>>>and he gets to fire them...like a corporate version of 'Survivor'.
>>>>What an egomaniac.
>>>
>>>And what sort of sniveliny weaseal would want to take part?
>>>They deserve everytyhin they get, But I object to it appearing on T.V.
>>>
>>People who want to be on teevee??? Seems like with this making Trump an icon,
>>they (whoever they are) are trying to sell the greed is good idea to the
public
>>again.
>
>People with money and power. That's who. Like buisnessmen, There was
>an article in the paper,Where an employer moaned about the new laws
>which mean that people are legally not allowed to work more than 48
>hours a week mean that people won't be able to earn lots of money from
>overtime.
>
>Hte idea that he could just... pay people more, didn't appear to cross
>his mind.
>
That dosent sound so bad. The Bush administration has been telling employers
how to get around paying overtime. Some new law was passed that removed all
sorts of employees from being elegible for overtime, and those that still were;
the admin sent out a report outlining how to avoid paying it for the rest.
What a bunch of Cunning Runts.
>>>>>I bet that this "indentured servitued" will be made legal or whatever
>>>>>in the future, As people become too poor to even afford houses.
>>>>>
>>>>Thats what the military is for: push up unemployment to the level where
>>people
>>>>become desperate enough to sign up.
>>>>
>>>>>Why, Think about mexcian maids and stuff, It's pracitcaly done now.
>>>>>
>>>>And Bush wants to bring more in...
>>>
>>>And there is the fear of latinos and hispanics. I read articles in the
>>>newspapers about how americans will be OVERWHELMED with them.
>>>
>>By 2050 america will no longer be a white-majority nation.
>>
>>>I think it's white people being scared of what they did to everyone
>>>else.
>>>
>>Its people not wanting to be in the minority :)
>>Heh...
>
>SO they want the cheap labour without the people, Perhaps they'd be
>better off with robots?
>
I dunno...I like the Australian system.
>>>>>Sometimes It's nice, Like looking at a nice granite dam in wales, but
>>>>>sometimes it's seeing coke cans out up on hills that are at least 3 or
>>>>>4 miles from the nearest village.
>>>>>
>>>>Yeah...trash has a way of spoiling ones veiw.
>>>
>>>Sometimes the lorries carrying away gravel and stuff from the local
>>>gravel quarrus are so overloaded it spills on the road. That happend
>>>once while I was driveing, but it wasn't going anywhere near me
>>>thankgod.
>>>
>>The sand trucks in the winter have a blade on the front that throws snow to
the
>>side of th road...they travel 50-60 mph...they also pick up the rocks and
throw
>>them at your windshield...from the sand they spread. I got *3* new chips this
>>year :(
>
>Some deliquent girl attacked mt mothers car with a brick, smashed the
>backwinder and chipped the paint where it was chipped, started to
>rust...
>
Eh? Wahts a Backwinder?
>>>>>>Let the mud-slinging begin...
>>>>>
>>>>>Noam Chomsky backed Kerry as "bush-lite" saying that kerry was
>>>>>slihgtly better than bish.
>>>>>
>>>>Where'd you see that?
>>>
>>>In the "guardian" it was a few days ago. Saturday I think.
>>>
>>Why does a linguist think his opinion of politics is important?
>
>Becasue he's an intellectual of world stature.
>
Oh...then explan why we keep electing actors.
:)
>>>>>When I look at my art, I think of people like Durer and weep and feel
>>>>>crap.
>>>>>
>>>>LOL! Heh...look at Paul Klee then :)
>>>>Juan Miro...Marcel Duchamp.
>>>
>>>I feel slighty better, but I know of 15 year olds with "innate talent"
>>>who are better than I. It uis humial;uiteing, I hope they die die die
>>>die. That would be nice.
>>>
>>Why? Stop compareing yourself to them. The deal with being an artist is your
>>personal vision. That can't be copyied. I'm not doing art anymore because my
>>parents might see it and they never liked it....lots. And I dont feel the
need
>>to express myself that way any longer. But if you have a idea that wants to
be
>>expressed via drawing or whatever, just do it...regardless.
>
>That's sad, My parents don't really care (as in the sense of makeing
>fuss and bother) about what I draw. Though they did seem to be rather
>uncomrtable when they were looking at my life drawing folder, Nekkid
>people squicks em'!
>
Hmmmm...my folks were more bothered by the "furry" or were art.
"WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED WITH WOLVES!?!?"
So I gave it up...Sheesh!
>>>>>
>>>>>I like the 16th century. Well, The art anyway. Going to Mexico and
>>>>>spending 7 months on a mosquito infested island wainting for a ship to
>>>>>come by does not appeal so much.
>>>>>
>>>>I'm enamoured of the 1800's...the Old west where men were men and women
didnt
>>>>shave their bits :)
>>>>A shootin iron & a bottle of whiskey and a gold claim...why thats all a man
>>>>needs by golly!
>>>
>>>It seems to occupy a perculiar place in the ameircan concioness, I bet
>>>when I do american studies I'll have to do essays about it.
>>>
>>The west is a state of mind as well as a geographic location :)
>
>DAmn, That means a Looooong essay with big words and research.
>
Any place gets a certain identity to it...you expect to see certain things when
you're back east....when you're out west you have different expectations.
I prefer lots & lots of open space...its my "comfort zone".
>>>FWIW, IIRC I remember rading in some book about how some french bloke
>>>in the 18th century did a survey of prostitues in his town (in the
>>>interests of science of course) and reporting that about 1/4th of them
>>>had hairy nipples.
>>>
>>Mmmmmmmmmmm...nipple fur! Theres some advert on teevee where a drop of water
>>runs down this girls stomach...shes covered in this awsum tiny fine blond
>>hair...the backlighting is perfect so you can see it real
well...obviuosly...I
>>have a fetish.
>
>Well, hair is a wholesome natural thing, and for most of history,
>women didn;'t shave, and neither did men.
>
Google on the history of women shaving and you'll see that it started in about
1915...with an ad campaign by Gillette razor company to Vogue magazine...
>I mean, copper razors and only water to lubricate yer face? No thanks!
>
Ewwwww...I would use olive oil :)
>>>>I kept hoping that somwon would make a pass at me....but it never happened
:(
>>>
>>>WEll, perhaps people cut across at roundabouts?
>>>
>>I meant sexually...in their house...a come-on by a lonely housewife?
>>Sheesh Dave, get your mind back here in the gutter...my blood is PURE
>>VIAGRUH!!!
>
>It hink I read some article by a Psych. somewhere who said that most
>IRC channels defailt to sex talk if the topic drifts enough.
>
I saw a statistic that males think of sex every eleven minutes on average.
Heh...
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, That's not so bad I guess, I have an energy saveign bulb for my
>>>>>room, it's like a little neon tube, I badgred my parents to get energy
>>>>>saveing bulbs for the rest of the house but they said no.
>>>>>
>>>>Tell them its really not a communist plot...
>>>
>>>The council give grants for energy effiency stuff, but to save money,
>>>they stopped. But surely, In the end it will save more moeny to have
>>>engery saveing since less electricity et al?!?!
>>>
>>Yes, but you see its all about the short-term gain now with stupid gits like
>>Tony & George...
>
>They condemned isreal kill the wheelchair man, but then froze the
>accounts of people connected with him. Say one ting, do antoher.
>
ITYM you mean Sheik Hammadi...that was a *big-ass* mistake...you don't get much
sympathy for killing frail old people with missiles...
idiots...I mean, they couldn't arrest him?
>>>>>>Picket the shop. Make signs and chant!
>>>>>
>>>>>I thought about doing that for the local sportswear shop, but I think
>>>>>policement would tell me to "move on"
>>>>>
>>>>Tell them you're a member of an oppressed minority then.
>>>
>>>I don't think jews are very opressed, It's the arabs who are opressed
>>>now.
>>>
>>I'm too afraid to make that call...I'd rather say I'm anti-stupid and let
>>people apply that as they see fit.
>>
>>>Arabs are the new jews!
>>>
>>I think we all need to buck up a bit and stop whineing about being so
opressed.
>
>I can look out of my window and see a factory on fire out on the
>industrial estate. Lots of thick black smoke. I hope its not orrible
>chemicals.
>
Most likely theres plenty of chemicals in whatevers burning. Plastic anything
that burns puts out toxic smoke. Thats what kills people in fires: the smoke
given off by burning wall to wall carpet is deadly.
>>>>>I suffer from a lack of decent wages. This makes me work very slowly
>>>>>and never do anything unless specificaly instructed to do it.
>>>>>
>>>>Heh eh heh eh heh...yeah...thats one thing about being on an hourly wage;
you
>>>>tend to milk the clock.
>>>
>>>I put the clock at work is 10 meniutes fast :o)
>>>
>>You changed the time clock for the punch cards?
>>For shame...
>
>There are no punch cards, and today was my lasyt day. The person who
>replaces me is spanish and will be working from 1 o clok in the
>morning till 4!?!?!
>
Graveyard is the *worst*. I did that once and felt like I had the flu all the
time.
>>>>>>Your disgraphia is amusing :)
>>>>>>Technology beat the Incas. Its not like they were a peaceful & kind
people
>>>>>>though. Soccer matches where the loosing team dies is a bit harsh eh?
>>>>>
>>>>>It's not funny! I have trouble distuguinshing left and right, I've
>>>>>almost caused an accident while learning to drive cos of that.
>>>>>
>>>>ROTFLMAO! OMG!!! Heh...stick to public transportation then :)
>>>
>>>What, And go nowhere at all, or wait for busdrivers to finfish eating
>>>their lunch or something?
>>>
>>It cant be that bad...take the "tube"...
>
>Oh hurah, being pressed up against sweaty beuinessmen in a crushing
>carriegffe.
>
Dress like a skinhead or a punk...people who look scary get more respect ;)
>>>>>I write "R" and "L" on my hands in black marker.
>>>>>
>>>>Theres an easier way: muscle memory. Get a dumbell or weight set and have
one
>>>>in each hand. Each time you lift one side say aloud the correct name for
it;
>>>>right or left.
>>>>Or a punching bag; punch left, punch right...over & over.
>>>
>>>I'll hit my father then.
>>>
>>o_0 Why?
>
>Because he won't diet. He needs encouragement.
>
I dont think hitting him will win him over.
Guilt is a very good motivational tool. try this: tell him how much you fear
loosing him to some disease caused by his being fat. Let a little tear well up
in yer eye when you say it.
HTH
:)
>>>>>Pizzaros brother ("juan" IIRC) took any women he wanted to bed. He
>>>>>came to a bad end mind, He got beheaded.
>>>>>
>>>>For the orgys?
>>>
>>>Just for being a bastard, the conquistoders faught each other afrter
>>>the though for tindans.
>>>
>>Poor bastard...
>
>Well, he did rape women (he took any women he wanted, Even against
>their will) and murder their husbands. I don't think its that sad.
>
Yeah...he was a bastard.
>>>>>>>At the lecture, They said "most of your social life there will
>>>>>>>revolved around alcohol"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>So don't expect any better! JUST GIVE IN NOW!!!!!
>>>>>>Lovely message.
>>>>>
>>>>>What? It's a british tradition that at social functions you drink till
>>>>>you're drunk. Also, It's rare to drink "for pleasure" people will
>>>>>mostly drink to get drunk. Seriously, I've seen it first hand.
>>>>>
>>>>Me too. Its a drug epidemic. but a profitable one for the government, so
they
>>>>allow it.
>>>
>>>I did it a few times, In the morning I said "no more", but I did it
>>>again, But only with friends interelising enoguh,
>>>
>>Got any alcoholics in your family?
>
>Yes. Two. both on my fathers side.
>
Hmmmmm...have you ever drank til you puked?
Do you think about drinking when you're at work?
>>>>Faith healing and homeopathic crap...
>>>
>>>a docotor here got into tourble for giveing someone that when they
>>>shoiuld have given them anti0-depressents.
>>>
>>>DEspite the person was an recovering alchoholic, They refused and gave
>>>them sulphar.
>>>
>>Like I said...crap medicine. But faith can "heal" people sometimes.
>>Its the placebo effect and psychosomatic result of a strong belief. There is
a
>>mind-body connection.
>
>Well,That's becuse your brain is in your skull. Appanratly the next
>big thing is chinese medecine, We're going to plunder it for drugs.
>
Well theres actual evidence that suggest an ability to speed up the healing
process and strengthen the immune system through meditation.
Chinese medicine will never be popular as one can't patent a plant substance.
Drugs companies call the shots. They even pulled strings with the FDA regarding
the recent warning about anti depressants. They listed *all* the anti
depressants although the evidence showed that it was only a couple of the newer
profitable ones implicated in teen suicide.
Its bullocks.
>>>>>OF course< bush and co hate the spanish for exceruiseing their
>>>>>democratice right.
>>>>>
>>>>In a way it could send the wrong message to the terrorists: blow shit up,
get
>>>>what you want.
>>>
>>>But the incomeing spanish goverment has pledged to gfight teroorism et
>>>al.
>>>
>>Ok. But dont you think it might send a message to the terrorists?
>>Hmmmm?
>
>What, like underminding the reasons why people support them?
>
No...this: blow shit up, get what you want.
>>>>>
>>>>Take a class in arabic :) Work for MI6 or whatever they're called.
>>>
>>>That would be too much hard work. I'd rather sit at home and vegatate
>>>over a book.
>>>
>><rolls eyes>
>
><rolls a six>
>
<a dragon appears>
>>>>>the WSWS loads as quick as you please.
>>>>>
>>>>Ah...the sundayjournal loads really slow but its not got any fancy jpgs.
>>>>I like this: www.dailyrotten.com
>>>
>>>Coo, Poliec chiefs sun shoots husky with bow and arrow.
>>>
>>AWK! I didnt see that one...how sad :(
>>Or I blocked it mentally...
>
>You did find it!
>It makes me sadder than some news I've read about people dieing for
>some reason though. Poor little dog, Dieing like that.
>
Maybe its the people can defend themselves better than some dog thing?
>>>>>Gamma Ray did a wired rap on their first album (wierd since htey're a
>>>>>heavy metal band) about their "brothers in africa and cuba", but odlly
>>>>>enough, They (gamma ray) are all white.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hmmm.
>>>>>
>>>>Lots of bands have tried to cash in on those feelings.
>>>>Might be genuine though...
>>>
>>>Perhaps, Though 40 year old germans in tight leather clothes probably
>>>shouldnt be trying.
>>>
>>DONT DENY THEM THEIR ARTISTIC VISION!!!!1111!!!!!
>
>What, singing songs about why heavy metal is so great?
>(meta-metal?!?!)
>
I was being facetious...
Music is subjective.
>>>>>
>>>>>In guatnamo bay, while beating the prisoners, The guads schanted
>>>>>something like "conform, conform, conform, don't resist, resisit".
>>>>>
>>>>>Brain washing!
>>>>>
>>>>They gave water as a "reward". I think that says it all.
>>>
>>>The withdrew that Coke "dasaani" minderal water here cos it had
>>>carcinogenic contatmination. PR disaster!
>>>
>>Most bottled water is just tap water. Carry your own and get one of those
>>filters fer yer tap.
>>
>>>IT's just RO water anyway, From the tap.
>>>
>>Whats "ro"?
>
>Reverse Osmosis, REmoves everything (includeing the flavour) from
>water.
>
>It removes all particles from it, My father uses it in fishtank so he
>can add his own blend of minderals.
>
>It doesnt have any tate at all, just dampness.
>
I had some once at a ladys house...she showed me the filter...big tank...very
fancy...the water tasted...like it had a positive charge?
It was good...but odd...very odd.
>>>>>>>>>Why does he need worship if he is all powerful at all?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I bet you're right :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Being a priest is (or was) a good job in the days of youre. No
>>>>>>>slaveing the fields. just going around mumbeling in a language that
>>>>>>>common people didnt understand anyway (latin).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>And collecting money for services and gay sex between boys &
men...hmmm...
>>>>>>well...maybe not *every* church did that...
>>>>>>They were sometimes the only ones who were literate though.
>>>>>
>>>>>WEll, IIRC at the time of the american civil war, something like 62%
>>>>>of the uinion army were literate, Though boarderline. Theuir letters
>>>>>had lots oss pelling mistakes and stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>Much like yours :) Our literacy rate trails Cubas...which is 92% IIRC.
>>>
>>>Finland has bout 99% IIRC, the highest in the world.
>>>
>>Ah...I thot it was Cuba...those finns have long winters and lots of time to
>>read you see...
>
>They also had nazi swastikes on their aircraft, but not nazi ones,
>They got them on before the nazis did.
>
American Indians...Japanese...that symbol has been around for a loooooong time.
>>>>>>>>>>>Well, IT COULD BE WORSE.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>How so?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Well,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>LOL! Hard to imagine?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Maybe if hitler won world war 2 or something?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>That would probably suck.
>>>>>
>>>>>we'd still have bing crosbyt apparnatly though, accotrding to
>>>>>thistorians.
>>>>>
>>>>Just his head? In a tank with tubes and wires?
>>>
>>>Well, It was writteen in the late 1960;s./
>>>
>>Sci-fi isn't history...its MAKE BELIEVE!
>
>Scien fiction today, Relaity tomorrow, Obselete next week
>- some bloke
>
We now have the Sci-Fi channel :)
Theres a very weird CGI cartoon with big titted women and aliens!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Irish seem to think they deserve a homeland.
>>>>>
>>>>>iReland bloned to england till the 1920;'s you know.
>>>>>
>>>>1916 they had a meeting at the post office...shots were fired...you could
say
>>>>the Irish went postal ;)
>>>
>>>For the nest 80 years or so.
>>>
>>LOL! Heh...I guess you folks have had a civil war of your own, eh?
>
>why yes, in 1641 to 45 I think.
>
>I saw the death warrent for the king, When the finally got him.
>
I bet you limeys have had more than one...
>>>>>My great great great grandfather was a german jew!
>>>>>
>>>>Ok. I can trace my roots back to some clown who started a pesant revolt in
>>the
>>>>1300's. Wat Tyler.
>>>>Also related to teh Hershey Candy family...but on the poor side of course
:(
>>>
>>>Really? Wat Tyler? Wow.
>>>
>>Yep. Ise descended from trouble makers :)
>>
>>>Bascialy, he was cruely tricked. He lead a peasents revolt for better
>>>conditions, and the king agreed to meet with him to discuss terms, But
>>>one of the kings advisers cruelly slew him (Wat tyler).
>>>
>>See...I got more claim to L337 socialist blood than you ;)
>>
>>>Still, You should be proud of that, at least he did something to make
>>>the world a better place.
>>>
>>He tried....did it work?
>
>Er... well.. No. The peasents were being taxed at what was for them a
>huge rate, while rich people paid the same, which was to them,
>nothing.
>
OMG! NOTHING HAS CHANGED!!!! HUMANS ARE STUCK IN A RUT!!!!
Like Ive said: we're doomed :)
>So they rose up to demand justice, they killed some of the rich people
>(But hey, These were brutal times) and then wat tyler was killed.
>
<wipes tear>
>The king promised to let everyone else off, but then he hung em; all.
>
>Then there was lots more opression forever and ever.
>
WHEE!!! No wonder I wanted to be a wolfy :)
But now I think I'd like to come back as a little bird...one of those ones with
no enemies...unremarkable...just fly around & eat seeds and be happy.
>>>>>
>>>>Exactly. Why shouldn't there be a cultural revolution between now and 3000?
>>>>Maybe women rise to power?
>>>
>>>That scares me. What if men were treated like women are treated
>>>noW?!!?!?
>>>
>>Gee...chicks opening doors for me...wooing me (thus taking the pressure off
>>*me* to be the sexual agressor) being the primary bread-winner...so whats not
>>to like?
>
>Er.. Well, Hmmm. What if they pinch yo' ass and patronise you or
>something?
>
I would pretend to be annoyed...yet secretly enjoy it :)
>You might feel violated and insecure!
>
Or I might get laid and have fun...
>>>>I need to read me sum Sci Fi...again.
>>>
>>>My father liked Ray Bradbury.
>>>
>>Bradbury was good...Poul Anderson, Ursula K. LeGuin, Jerry Pournelle, Larry
>>Niven...yep...the golden age of Sci-fi...
>
>I liked "A wizard of Earthsea", that was a leguin, it has lovely
>illustartion the version I have.
>
She wrote a story about these wolf like creatures that some other folks on the
net here have read...I read it because the cover art intrigued me...and of
course my obsession with wolfy things back then.
>>>>>>>I bought 4 pairs of trousers for just Ł4 each!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Theres a Walmart there too?!?!?!?
>>>>>>AGGGGGHH!
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, It's a wholly owned subsidery.
>>>>>
>>>>But its got the logo and everything!?!? they have been doing a lot of
damage
>>>>control ads here on teevee about how Walmart is so great to work for and
they
>>>>are sponsors of this & that charity.
>>>>Its so damn obvious...
>>>
>>>No, It doesn't have the logo, it's called "Asda", but they do run
>>>logos where people slap their asses (to symbolise how muchn money they
>>>are saveing) and talk about how much they love aSSda.
>>>
>>LOL! Cute.
>
>They have a smilly face as a logo. It dances around teh screen and
>disspease into peoples asses.
>
Now thats kind of creepy...
:(
>>>>>>More power is better.
>>>>>
>>>>>I found the vacumm cleaner in the storeoom and it was dusty anyway!
>>>>>
>>>>0_o
>>>
>>>If I clean cleaning quipment, Does that make it meta-cleaning?
>>>
>>Um....yeah...thats the ticket...
>>WE HAD TO WASH & WAX TEH VANS AT OUR OWN EXPENSE!!!!
>
>I had to bring my own keyring!
>
Horrors! But did you have to buy your own uniform pants!?!?!?
Heh...*my* personal history of opression trumps yours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>MAybe they give you fursex?
>>>>>>LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>>Ewwwwww. Fursuits are creepy. Those eyes, those terrible eyes...
>>>>>
>>>>Like giant versions of the Snuggle Fabric Softener bear...
>>>>EEeeeeeeeeeeviiiiiiiiiLLLLLLL!!!
>>>
>>>We have more clowns than fursuiters here, i saw one smokeing a
>>>ciggerete, It destoryed the whole mystique.
>>>
>>His name was "Smokey". Worked for R J Reynolds undercover stealth marketing
>>division...
>
>Apparntly, I read in a cmputer magazine that microsoft pay people to
>go on the internet and talk up their products and diss linux.
>
Yeap...corporate shills are all over the net.
I saw that crap in the Apple newsgroups too. Some gink would show up...post how
Apple dosent this or that then tout M$ as being better.
LAughable really. Fact: OS 10 has *no* virii written for it thus far.
Its 100% safe :)
>>>>>>>Whereas anyone, can use a gun with a few hours training, and kill even
>>>>>>>the most heavily armoured man with a sword.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's just odd, Fascinateing even, How that is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Technology: bringing us bettter ways to kill.
>>>>>
>>>>>Well,
>>>>>
>>>>And live too I guess, he said begrudgingly.
>>>
>>>It still easier to destory than create. I think that;s just how the
>>>universe works.
>>>
>>Entropy is teh ruler!!!
>
>No, Non-shatter proof is. It'#s plastic.
>
I meant that Entropy is the pervasive force working in the universe.
Life fights entropy.
I have a wooden ruler, so NYEAH.
>>>Like, It's easier to pull one card out of a house , than to make it in
>>>the first palce.
>>>
>>I use the house of cards analogy when I rant to myself on the nature of bio-
>>diversity and how lower levels support higher levels.
>>I'm very self-entertaining :)
>
>I talk to myself when I listen to CDs. I balence the player on my head
>and walk around taking to myself about marxism.
>
I analyse things but never actually do anything in RL to solve the problems :)
Do you agree with yourself on Marxism?
>>>>Baptists aren't so bad...evangelicals though! Ask them if a jew can get to
>>>>heaven some time :)
>>>
>>>I had a jehovas witness tell me thta I wasn't going to go to heaven
>>>and that I would burn in hell.
>>>
>>Thats just a scare tactic to sell...I used that when selling scotchguard for
>>carpets ;)
>
>Coo, So I never need to wash again eh?
>
Sure! Just scotchguard yourself and the DIRT WON'T STICK!!!111!!!!
Actually teflon has recently been found to be a toxic substance.
Throw out your teflon coated pans.
>>>>>>>Madonna had a media article where she talked about how she loved
>>>>>>>shooting so much,.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Heh...I wonder if shes trying to put the FEAR OF GOD into anyone
>>considering
>>>>>>stalking her?
>>>>>>Or maybe she just likes guns :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Or the upper class image that pheastent shooting projects..
>>>>>
>>>>And those friggin fox hunters...Madonna in riding boots and crop?
>>>>Only if shes topless :)
>>>
>>>Go and take a cold shower.
>>>
>>More one handed typing perhaps...
>
>Useing an electric razor with the other?
>I can shave and type at the same time!
>
Actually...it seems that you can't :)
Heh.
>>>>>>>Matchlock mechanisms themselves seem rather simple. Some of them just
>>>>>>>had an S shaped lever with a clip to hold the smouldering match.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Get some pipe and a hacksaw and get crackin...oh...and an anvil, torch,
and
>>>>>>some tongs and a drill-press and...
>>>>>
>>>>>I have a screwdriver and some scissors.
>>>>>
>>>>Its a start.
>>>
>>>I have some sandpaper too, The extra fine sort.
>>>
>>You need a drill...boring holes is important to making firearms.
>
>Wouldn;t I just fall asleep over a boring hole?
>would it have nothign itnersting to say?
>
You mean like this post?
:D
>>>>>>>There is something odd about grown men haveing stuffed toys. I have
>>>>>>>wally wale, From when I was little, Made from flannel. but that is
>>>>>>>all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have Wile E Coyote from when me mum saw him at a yard sale a few years
>>>>back.
>>>>>>Iem teh freeky plush owner :(
>>>>>
>>>>>my mother brought me a book about "growing up", I never raed it and
>>>>>set fire to a bit of it once.
>>>>>
>>>>Is that a thinly veiled criticism? I'll be forced to impose a furry 30 day
>>shun
>>>>on you.
>>>
>>>I hope you bought your monther a mothers day present, I bought her
>>>some... Choclates.
>>>
>>Um....when was Mothers Day again? My sisters husband died last week...I think
>>I'll buy her a fence...
>
>Eh? That's sad though. someone at work, Their partner went to the
>docotr on saturday, found out they had advanced cancer, and they're
>haveing a big operation next wedsnesy.
>
>I just don't know what to say when you people say stuff like that, no
>one does, There was just silence.
>
"Sorry to hear that" ?
I'm not much on that either.
>>>>>I have a "shiv", or I did, But I threw it away cos sand got into the
>>>>>mechanism.
>>>>>
>>>>A "shiv" is any knife, not limited to switchblades & stillettos :)
>>>>FYI
>>>>I've had both...but I always wore out the mechanism playing with them :(
>>>
>>>I had a nice french stainless stell knife, I used it to clean my
>>>nails.
>>>
>>I like Ginsu knives...the word "ginsu" was made up just to market the
product!
>>Heh...
>
>A certain german village put running wolves on their knives as a
>brand.
>
Wolfsburg? There was a wolfsburg edition VW for a while...
King Snuhw()1f
Claviarm
>Dave The Apostate Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
><406435da...@news.individual.net>:
>
>>I mean, copper razors and only water to lubricate yer face? No thanks!
>>
>Ewwwww...I would use olive oil :)
Sometimes, when I don't have access to my electric, I shave with a
dull razor. I don't even use water, except to clean it. It seems to
work well enough. *shrug* I wanna get an old-fashioned straight
razor!
--
Claviarm
ICQ 16521227
§ńühwřŁf
<4065d8a7....@news.sysmatrix.net>:
Blades make me break out :(
I get razor rash even from my 'lectric...
KIng Snuhw()1f
Dave The Generic Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>>
>>>Dave The Apostate Hyena <dsa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>>><406435da...@news.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>>I mean, copper razors and only water to lubricate yer face? No thanks!
>>>>
>>>Ewwwww...I would use olive oil :)
>>
>>Sometimes, when I don't have access to my electric, I shave with a
>>dull razor. I don't even use water, except to clean it. It seems to
>>work well enough. *shrug* I wanna get an old-fashioned straight
>>razor!
>>
>Blades make me break out :(
>I get razor rash even from my 'lectric...
The Emperor commodus 189 BC to 199? IIRC, used to commandeer barber
shops and have soldiers hold down the customers while he cut their
noses off.
It wouldn't have happend if they'd used electric razors.
§ńühwřŁf
<4067dfaf...@news.individual.net>:
0_o Uhhhhhhh yeah! Why'd he cut off their noses?
King Snuhw()1f
Dave The Generic Hyena
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>>>Blades make me break out :(
>>>I get razor rash even from my 'lectric...
>>
>>The Emperor commodus 189 BC to 199? IIRC, used to commandeer barber
>>shops and have soldiers hold down the customers while he cut their
>>noses off.
>>
>>It wouldn't have happend if they'd used electric razors.
>>
>0_o Uhhhhhhh yeah! Why'd he cut off their noses?
Well, He liked to perform as a gladiator, so er... I dunno.
He got assainated cos people didn't like him though.
IIRC, soimne people threw a cloack over hima nd then stabbed him to
death.