Realism/being furry
Locandez
Suppose you could become a 'furry' in real life (ie. animal/morph). How
realistic would you want to be, with regards to the difference between
Mother Nature's designs and, say, Terri Smith's designs.
Take colour, for example. According to just about every furry drawing I
have seen, we are supposed to believe that a red fox has an even chestnut
coloured fur, with a white scruff running from chin to stomach, and neat
little white tip to the tail, and tidy little black 'socks' on the paws.
However, foxes are not like that. Foxes are _wild_ animals, and therefore do
not have this kind of neatness that you would only expect on a pedigree dog.
Their fur may be specked with bits of black or white. Their paws have dirty
streaks of black, on the _front_ of the paws. Their tail tips may be black,
white or non existence. And fox tails are nowhere nearly as fluffy as they
are made out to be.
Also consider build. Furry pin ups are always drawn with great builds - men
with large, well defined muscles, and women with shapely figures. But
animals aren't like that. Foxes, for example, are relatively scrawny. Lions,
it seems, (no offence to Kimba et al :) are quite pudgy.
Basically, if you could change into the body of an furry, would you like
that body to be 'realistic', or based on a furry artist's designs? For
example, if I chose a 'realistic' fox body, it would be a fairly scruffy
design, slightly scrawny, and with a reasonably fluffy tail. If I based my
design on a pin up, I would have a beautifully manicured coat, with tidy
markings on chest, tail and paws, a large, sturdy build and a beautifully
fluffy tail. _But_, might it seem less natural? Furs and weres seem more 'in
touch' with nature than Joe Mundane, and becoming this animal form, possibly
to live a feral life, would allow them to shed their (possibly disliked)
human forms, and to distance themselves from human society. But if your body
is based on a design thought up by a 'mundane' artist (by 'mundane', I mean
non-lifestyler), who bases _his/her_ designs on an established form of human
'beauty', then you might feel that your body still contains elements of
'humaness'.
Locandez
--
"You're watching BBC2. Not really... the power of suggestion!"
Buster Charlie
Locandez <lyn...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Suppose you could become a 'furry' in real life (ie. animal/morph). How
>realistic would you want to be, with regards to the difference between
>Mother Nature's designs and, say, Terri Smith's designs.
>
> Take colour, for example. According to just about every furry drawing I
>have seen, we are supposed to believe that a red fox has an even chestnut
>coloured fur, with a white scruff running from chin to stomach, and neat
>little white tip to the tail, and tidy little black 'socks' on the paws.
>However, foxes are not like that. Foxes are _wild_ animals, and therefore do
>not have this kind of neatness that you would only expect on a pedigree dog.
>Their fur may be specked with bits of black or white. Their paws have dirty
>streaks of black, on the _front_ of the paws. Their tail tips may be black,
>white or non existence. And fox tails are nowhere nearly as fluffy as they
>are made out to be.
Yeah, I saw ONE fox recently (Too bad, great animals) and it was more of a
orange/yello color, didn't see it long enough to get any markings...
Of course, Either way, I would get cool markings, why? Because ferrets and
weasels are cool, no matter what markings. :) But thats another point, my
three ferrets have diffrent markings, ANYWAY...
> Also consider build. Furry pin ups are always drawn with great builds - men
>with large, well defined muscles, and women with shapely figures. But
>animals aren't like that. Foxes, for example, are relatively scrawny. Lions,
>it seems, (no offence to Kimba et al :) are quite pudgy.
>
Well, not im my art, and If so, its a mistake, I really don't try to kid
myself, never met a body-builder ferret...
> Basically, if you could change into the body of an furry, would you like
>that body to be 'realistic', or based on a furry artist's designs? For
>example, if I chose a 'realistic' fox body, it would be a fairly scruffy
>design, slightly scrawny, and with a reasonably fluffy tail. If I based my
>design on a pin up, I would have a beautifully manicured coat, with tidy
>markings on chest, tail and paws, a large, sturdy build and a beautifully
>fluffy tail. _But_, might it seem less natural? Furs and weres seem more 'in
>touch' with nature than Joe Mundane, and becoming this animal form, possibly
>to live a feral life, would allow them to shed their (possibly disliked)
>human forms, and to distance themselves from human society. But if your body
>is based on a design thought up by a 'mundane' artist (by 'mundane', I mean
>non-lifestyler), who bases _his/her_ designs on an established form of human
>'beauty', then you might feel that your body still contains elements of
>'humaness'.
>
>
>
>
>Locandez
>
>
>--
>
>"You're watching BBC2. Not really... the power of suggestion!"
>
Well, I would be a furry, either relistic or "pin-up", because ferrets are
cool. But this is a good point, and I hope it dosen't turn into a
"off-topic-flamewar" :)
PINE MARTEN!
Buster Charlie
Al Jones
Huskee <wo...@capmedia.fr> wrote in article
<33ad3a9b...@news.fysh.org>...
> On 22 Jun 1997 14:42:30 GMT, Buster Charlie <Bust...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Locandez <lyn...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> Suppose you could become a 'furry' in real life (ie. animal/morph).
How
> >>realistic would you want to be, with regards to the difference between
> >>Mother Nature's designs and, say, Terri Smith's designs.
>
> As far as possible from the latter : ) (No offense please to
> T.Smith...)
> I had an interesting correspondence along these lines with WolfGirl
> and we both agreed that the oddly proportioned look which such a being
> would probably have was very attractive to us.
It's not just a matter of attactiveness. Some of the poses and body
proportions look rather painful.
Chiropractors would be doing a great deal of business in a Terri Smith
world.
>
> >> Also consider build. Furry pin ups are always drawn with great builds
- men
> >>with large, well defined muscles, and women with shapely figures. But
> >>animals aren't like that. Foxes, for example, are relatively scrawny.
Lions,
> >>it seems, (no offence to Kimba et al :) are quite pudgy.
Human pin-ups tend to be like that too, and as we know, not too
representative of the general population.
Wolves, foxes, etc are powerful in their natural form. To me, the
addition of bulging muscles (or other parts) just looks weird on them.
>
>>
> >Well, not im my art, and If so, its a mistake, I really don't try to kid
> >myself, never met a body-builder ferret...
>
Oops, left out ferrets back there.
> Not in my art either. (I'd tell you to check out my website but it
> seems that FurNation is down at the moment.....)
> I figure that animals love to eat, and it's completely natural for
> them to have a layer of fat. So if some anthropomorphic wolf, for
> example ( my favorite example!) no longer had to work so damn hard to
> get food, (it's a lot easier to call Pizza Hut or something!) and had
> no preconcieved ideas that fat is BAD, it might just get rather
> chubby...and feel good about it.
>
Well, a few layers of fat would be okay, but it's best to stay healthy.
Rather chubby is okay. I'm assuming you're not including the "extreme
obesity"
pics as examples.
> >> Basically, if you could change into the body of an furry, would you
like
> >>that body to be 'realistic', or based on a furry artist's designs?
>
> Definately the natural realistic shape for me.
>
> >>example, if I chose a 'realistic' fox body, it would be a fairly
scruffy
> >>design, slightly scrawny, and with a reasonably fluffy tail. If I based
my
> >>design on a pin up, I would have a beautifully manicured coat, with
tidy
> >>markings on chest, tail and paws, a large, sturdy build and a
beautifully
> >>fluffy tail. _But_, might it seem less natural? Furs and weres seem
more 'in
> >>touch' with nature than Joe Mundane, and becoming this animal form,
possibly
> >>to live a feral life, would allow them to shed their (possibly
disliked)
> >>human forms, and to distance themselves from human society. But if your
body
> >>is based on a design thought up by a 'mundane' artist (by 'mundane', I
mean
> >>non-lifestyler), who bases _his/her_ designs on an established form of
human
> >>'beauty', then you might feel that your body still contains elements of
> >>'humaness'.
> I don't buy into the generally accepted standards of what's
> "attractive" in humans, so I sure wouldn't want any of it if I were
> physically a furry. To me, scruffy/scrawny or messy/chubby are
> ideal.
> BD
Well said.
Nrasser
Locandez <lyn...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in article
<na.513d9e479e...@argonet.co.uk>...
>
> Suppose you could become a 'furry' in real life (ie. animal/morph). How
> realistic would you want to be, with regards to the difference between
> Mother Nature's designs and, say, Terri Smith's designs.
When I view the stylized art of Terri Smith, Michelle Light, or other furry
artists, I tend to add the realistic details in my own perception of the
picture. If I could become a furry in real life, I would tend more towards
the animal form, extended senses and most instincts very much intact. A
form modified to fit a bipedal world, but more animal than hyooman.
> Take colour, for example. According to just about every furry drawing I
> have seen, we are supposed to believe that a red fox has an even chestnut
> coloured fur, with a white scruff running from chin to stomach, and neat
> little white tip to the tail, and tidy little black 'socks' on the paws.
> However, foxes are not like that. Foxes are _wild_ animals, and therefore
do
> not have this kind of neatness that you would only expect on a pedigree
dog.
> Their fur may be specked with bits of black or white. Their paws have
dirty
> streaks of black, on the _front_ of the paws. Their tail tips may be
black,
> white or non existence. And fox tails are nowhere nearly as fluffy as
they
> are made out to be.
I've always had the realistic picture...not very much influenced by what
others have drawn. I guess that's why I'm not much of a "fan".
> Also consider build. Furry pin ups are always drawn with great builds -
men
> with large, well defined muscles, and women with shapely figures. But
> animals aren't like that. Foxes, for example, are relatively scrawny.
Lions,
> it seems, (no offence to Kimba et al :) are quite pudgy.
I think that some "humanization" would occur in my form, simply because a
bipedal form has to obey certain laws of physics...but definitely not just
to "be humanlike", or to be "humanly attractive".
Nrasser
Al Jones
Huskee <wo...@capmedia.fr> wrote in article
<33ad3a9b...@news.fysh.org>...
> On 22 Jun 1997 14:42:30 GMT, Buster Charlie <Bust...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Well, not im my art, and If so, its a mistake, I really don't try to kid
> >myself, never met a body-builder ferret...
>
> Not in my art either. (I'd tell you to check out my website but it
> seems that FurNation is down at the moment.....)
> I figure that animals love to eat, and it's completely natural for
> them to have a layer of fat. So if some anthropomorphic wolf, for
> example ( my favorite example!) no longer had to work so damn hard to
> get food, (it's a lot easier to call Pizza Hut or something!) and had
> no preconcieved ideas that fat is BAD, it might just get rather
> chubby...and feel good about it.
My art shows how this sort of thing starts.
Those donuts flew just like frisbees and he was so
happy to catch them.
http://rat.org/pub/furry/jonesal/donu1-aj.jpg
Just to ensure this on topic, note that the neither the marten nor the
husky exhibit bulging muscles.
Al Jones
Kimba W. Lion
Locandez <lyn...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Suppose you could become a 'furry' in real life (ie. animal/morph). How
>realistic would you want to be, with regards to the difference between
>Mother Nature's designs and, say, Terri Smith's designs.
>Lions, it seems, (no offence to Kimba et al :) are quite pudgy.
heh...if I took offense at that, I'd be a complete hypocrite. :)
When I indulge in such ideas (and I think that such indulgence
holds the danger, at least for me, of going beyond a pleasant
fantasy into a trap that actually prevents me from living fully
as the lion-man I am), I find many different degrees of "realism"
are equally appealing to me.
I am the only one of my acquaintance who seems to feel this way,
but I like the portrayal of the character "Vincent" on the old
Beauty and the Beast TV show...I also like the drawing by Eugene
Arenhaus (http://rat.org/pub/furry/areneuge/lionmrph.jpg),
although I find myself trying to figure out just what it is about
the face that doesn't sit well with me...and I love the adult
white lion character Caesar/Panja/Leo (depending on which
incarnation you're seeing).
The key feature to all of these is the lion/morph would have all
the intelligence and ability to communicate with humans that I
have now (no cracks, please! :) ). That relates to the key
feature of the Kimba TV show that totally swept me away...not
only did Kimba seek to have all animals (predator and prey) live
in peace but he sought to bridge the animal and human worlds
through communication. If morphing meant a life of lying in the
sun and eating water buffalo, I would not be interested.
So if I still want my intelligence and personality, why should I
morph? That is the key to my thought that it is not a fantasy I
should get too wrapped up in. But the reason for wanting it is
that Lion has taught me a great many things, and the morphing
would be symbolic of Lion replacing portions of my personality
that I am not too proud of. As a practical matter, it would serve
no purpose I can think of--outside of making me very proud and
happy about my appearance! (and that's one of the 7 Big Ones,
so...)
But I can't be practical _all_ the time... :)
Kimba W. Lion
Anyone interested in the Tezuka White Lion character can check
out http://www.tezuka.co.jp/Japanese/metrotown/filmcenter/movie
/jungle/images/movie/jungle03.mov if you have QuickTime [change
mov to .avi for Windows AVI]--but it will take a _looong_ time
to download!
Al Jones
Huskee <wo...@capmedia.fr> wrote in article
<33ad98cc...@news.fysh.org>...
> On 22 Jun 1997 19:47:44 GMT, "Al Jones" <alj...@cyberus.ca> wrote:
(snip)
> I wasn't speaking of the proportions of a Terrie Smith creature,
> (which I don't generally find very attractive) but rather the shape of
> the creature which would actually result if a human were to transform
> into some other animal, or vice versa, (in RL) and stop the
> transformation half way. That would probably be a rather oddly
> proportioned critter, but the idea is weirdly attractive to me.
Me too! See http://rat.org/pub/furry/drakebob/bdaj.jpg for two fine
examples.
> I would never argue that "extreme obesity" wasn't a health hazard.
> I just really love the idea of a bit of a fat layer, it's difficult to
> explain, but it's something deeply rooted in my furry/animal self.
>
How about some ice cream sammiches? Sully's back at SCFA!
> Woof.
WebKitty
Locandez wrote:
> Basically, if you could change into the body of an furry, would you like
> that body to be 'realistic', or based on a furry artist's designs?
I've always thought that my RL proportions (5'1", around 100 lbs) were
nicely adapted to me in furry form. I'm still looking at the pros and
cons of plantigrade vs. digitigrade legs, but right now I'm leaning
towards plantigrade. I'm not much into furry art and artists so I'm not
familiar with differences between the artists' styles. My body would
be slim, but not skinny, muscular, but not muscle-bound. Reality
Check's Catreece has a rather nice body, something I'd like to have. I
sometimes wonder if my furry form is too human, but then I think, it
doesn't really matter cuz it's my body and I can think whatever I want.
My ideal furry body would take the best aspects of both animal and human
and combine them into one cute little package. :)
WebKitty
Locandez
In article <01bc7f5d$dbfe6660$Loca...@Cyberus.cyberus.ca>, "Al Jones"
<alj...@cyberus.ca> wrote:
>
>> I had an interesting correspondence along these lines with WolfGirl
>> and we both agreed that the oddly proportioned look which such a being
>> would probably have was very attractive to us.
>
>It's not just a matter of attactiveness. Some of the poses and body
>proportions look rather painful.
>Chiropractors would be doing a great deal of business in a Terri Smith
>world.
Well, we'll assume that your body is physiologically able to support your
weight/structure.
>Human pin-ups tend to be like that too, and as we know, not too
>representative of the general population.
>Wolves, foxes, etc are powerful in their natural form. To me, the
>addition of bulging muscles (or other parts) just looks weird on them.
Whilst I think an amount of 'functional' muscle looks okay, I think body
builders with their 'ripped' muscles look unnatural and unpleasant.
Locandez
--
"It must be terrible when really important people think you're shite."
Ricochet
Locandez wrote:
>
> Suppose you could become a 'furry' in real life (ie. animal/morph). How
> realistic would you want to be, with regards to the difference between
> Mother Nature's designs and, say, Terri Smith's designs.
>
> not have this kind of neatness that you would only expect on a pedigree dog.
I always had this vision that I was an all-white furred dog morph, but I
haven't seen an old-english sheepdog that is all white. Therefore I have
random brownish-patches. I suppose in morphic state, I'd hafta be more
humanistic...more like the Hepcats...which are just humans with animal
heads. However, I would want more of a paw with dexterity for hands and
the same for the feet. I'd also have a rather nice tail, even though Old
English sheepdogs usually are whelped.
> Also consider build. Furry pin ups are always drawn with great builds - men
> with large, well defined muscles, and women with shapely figures. But
> animals aren't like that. Foxes, for example, are relatively scrawny. Lions,
> it seems, (no offence to Kimba et al :) are quite pudgy.
>
> Basically, if you could change into the body of an furry, would you like
> that body to be 'realistic', or based on a furry artist's designs?
In morphic appearence, I guess I wouldn't want some of the extra weight
I have now...but I don't want it now. (Too much Mountain Dew and Steak
and Shake) However, non-morphic form, I'd be just perfect, belly and
all.
*snip*
_But_, might it seem less natural? Furs and weres seem more 'in
> touch' with nature than Joe Mundane, and becoming this animal form, possibly
> to live a feral life, would allow them to shed their (possibly disliked)
> human forms, and to distance themselves from human society. But if your body
> is based on a design thought up by a 'mundane' artist (by 'mundane', I mean
> non-lifestyler), who bases _his/her_ designs on an established form of human
> 'beauty', then you might feel that your body still contains elements of
> 'humaness'.
I have talked to many of my furry friends who would prefer morphic
forms, and yes, they have pictures drawn by artists with a "perfect"
appearence and they identify very much with that picture...maybe with
just a few slight changes to suit personality. To myself, that
non-morphic, non perfect, random appearence would be great, as long as
it was just that NON-morphic form... with a few small exceptions like
human thought,(memory retention mostly, to know who I was and why I
liked what I became), advanced paw dexterity and color recognition. If I
was the ugliest mutt in the world, but in my breed, I wouldn't give a
damn if I couldn't win dog shows ;) -Ricochet
Skytech
On 22 Jun 1997 21:03:53 GMT, "Al Jones" <alj...@cyberus.ca> wrote:
>
> I figure that animals love to eat, and it's completely natural for
> them to have a layer of fat. So if some anthropomorphic wolf, for
> example ( my favorite example!) no longer had to work so damn hard to
> get food, (it's a lot easier to call Pizza Hut or something!) and had
> no preconcieved ideas that fat is BAD, it might just get rather
> chubby...and feel good about it.
If your furry is more non-human or non-human, they probably won't
get too chubby, proportionally. Most non-human animals, including
primates are much leaner than humans. It's those extra fat layers that
give even normal humans a soft roundness (those iron-pumpers are not
normal!). Humans needed something to make up the loss of fur.
--
La kasigada vulpo
Skytech
Trella
Locandez wrote:
>
Well, lets see...what sort of realism are we talking about? I can tell
you fur sure, I wanna be bipedal! It may sacrifice speed and
maneuverabily, but it has advantages in terms of body cooling. I
wouldn't mind looking like something out of a Terrie Smith
print...except I would prefer being...well, just slightly less busty.
Since I'm feline, I would be generally sleek and smooth anyway. But two
things are of concern and interest. One-would I be the only fur
around? I sincerely hope not! The entire history of humanity
illustrates, only too well, what happens to those that are regarded as
"different"...and what might happen to a furry, that is demonstrably
different...well, I shudder to think. The second thought is in concern
for instinctual reactions...how much feline instincts (in my case) would
continue, and how strong would they be...how much would they override
more civilizing tendancies? Yes, I know, I shouldn't answer questions
with more questions, but...
Just thinking...
Trella
--
F.L.U.F.F. The Furry Liberation Underground Freedom Fighters
Locandez
In article <5omlup$c...@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net>, Buster Charlie
<Bust...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>Listen to some white zombie, it will make you "BETTER"
>
>As for eating live mice....
>
>You may wonder why I don't take more of the "Carnivor" role in my
>story's/roleplaying...Well, I figure, nobody likes to have their totem
>picked on, I am sick of this crap.
You mean, you don't roleplay animals being killed, or animals being classed
as 'evil' or 'good'?
>What really gets me, is when this redwall freak E-mailed me and gave me
>this BJ RULS YOU SUCK treatment, that didn't get me mad, what got me mad
>was when he said this little comment, something about how in one book
>there was a good rat, but the way he said it, like rats are bad, I mean
>REALLY?
It's kinda like the 'token' characters in films/programmes - the token
'black', the token 'woman' etc. It's like, BJ decided to put in a good rat,
to somehow 'balance' the stakes, although if the number of bad rats outweigh
the number of bad rats, then who is he kidding?
>Is this "On-topic" WHo cares, Rats are cool, Its those cute bunnies we got
>to look out for, THEY SCARE ME! AHHHHHH!
Hmmm... article=ontopic if article discusses furry lifestyles. If you get
offended when BJ anthropomorphizes certain animals as bad, then arguably
it's a sign that you 'feel' so ferrety.
Locandez
In article <33aec81a...@news.fysh.org>, wo...@capmedia.fr (Huskee)
wrote:
>
>That sounds like a good plan, taking your favorite aspects of your
>human form and mixing them with your ideal furry form, but maybe
>a certain element of unexpectedness would be exciting too...like
>if I could physically morph half way into a husky/wolf, and finding
>things like my ears were some color I didn't expect, or my tail was
>funny, or I was not exactly what many humans would consider "nice
>looking" (or smelling)..like a wild beast, you know???
Interesting... or how about if your markings changed every day? Let's face
it, no self respecting fox would take a brush (no pun intended) to their
fur...
Locandez
--
Phil and Rosie polish apples on Tor's jumper. "Mmm," says Tor. "Apple massage."
Locandez
Funny, that. No one has seemed to realise that _any_ anthropomorphic form
would be 'human like', because the design of anthros seems to be based on
combining the beauty of an animal's body with certain practicalities of the
human body. Arguably, the only way you could shed all traces of 'humaness'
from your body would to be a non-anthro animal, exactly as you see in the
wild.
Locandez
--
"I was thinking of making myself a fox costume someday. Nothing special, mind. A 'trivial fursuit'.
Locandez
In article <33AF18...@glasscity.net>, Ricochet <bl...@glasscity.net>
wrote:
>
>I always had this vision that I was an all-white furred dog morph, but I
>haven't seen an old-english sheepdog that is all white. Therefore I have
>random brownish-patches. I suppose in morphic state, I'd hafta be more
>humanistic...more like the Hepcats...
That's a kind of animal form which I _wouldn't_ like. I don't like art
which is little more than a human body with an animal's head, perhaps with a
tail or a bit of fur. For me, the only form I would be happy with would be
like the form of a fox, physiologically modified to resemble the stance of a
human.
Then again, why do we want anthro forms? Some may say, "I want to still use
a computer", or "I want to be able to talk to other furs", but if you were
to change into a fur for a day, would you think, "Oh well, better catch up
on my email"? Probably not; you'd want to do just about everything possible
with your new body (assuming that everyone else was a fur; that way you
don't have to be scared of leaving the house). If you want to use a
computer, you can always change back into a human.
>heads. However, I would want more of a paw with dexterity for hands and
>the same for the feet. I'd also have a rather nice tail, even though Old
>English sheepdogs usually are whelped.
Creative license! I'd have a nice bushy tail, much bushier than a _real_
fox's... and I'd have hands, not paws - shaped like a human's hand, nice and
nimble, covered with fur, possible with some pads on the finger tips, and
with retractable claws.
>> Basically, if you could change into the body of an furry, would you like
>> that body to be 'realistic', or based on a furry artist's designs?
>
>In morphic appearence, I guess I wouldn't want some of the extra weight
>I have now...but I don't want it now. (Too much Mountain Dew and Steak
>and Shake) However, non-morphic form, I'd be just perfect, belly and
>all.
I figured that a lot of people would gladly take the 'muscular' approach,
seeing as the change would occur alongside the morphing; something which
would take many months/years of hard work and perseverance could be yours in
seconds, but many chose to have a similar form as they do now. I've posted
this to aff - as a separate post, not x-posted - so it will be interesting
to see what they think. I'm guessing that they will favour unnatural,
muscular forms... but I could be wrong...
Locandez
In article <33B039...@akron.infi.net>, Trella <oce...@akron.infi.net>
wrote:
>
>Locandez wrote:
>>
>Well, lets see...what sort of realism are we talking about? I can tell
>you fur sure, I wanna be bipedal! It may sacrifice speed and
>maneuverabily, but it has advantages in terms of body cooling. I
>wouldn't mind looking like something out of a Terrie Smith
>print...except I would prefer being...well, just slightly less busty.
<g> I can't stand the 'huge breasts' style as favoured by many artists; I'd
much prefer just a lovely fluffy scruff to scritchie :) If a fur _was_ to
have them, I'd prefer them to be small and covered in fur.
>Since I'm feline, I would be generally sleek and smooth anyway. But two
>things are of concern and interest. One-would I be the only fur
>around? I sincerely hope not!
A lot of choices might revolve around that. You would probably be scared to
step out of the house if you were the _only_ furry around; so you wouldn't
enjoy it much (then again... :) If there were other furs around, you'd want
to talk to them... you would probably only a functional voice box if you
chose to be anthro, and you'd want to hug them...
>illustrates, only too well, what happens to those that are regarded as
>"different"...and what might happen to a furry, that is demonstrably
>different...well, I shudder to think.
It saddens me greatly that society has this intolerant attitude which treats
perfectly normal (me, normal? Ha!) people as weird. I think it sucks big
time that some people would actually make the effort to insult a person if
they are different.
Locandez
In article <5op5ed$7n9$1...@lykos.oche.de>, jre...@poboxes.dwxdjm.com
(Oecherwolf) wrote:
>In article <na.513d9e479e...@argonet.co.uk>,
> Locandez <lyn...@argonet.co.uk> writes:
>>
>> Suppose you could become a 'furry' in real life (ie. animal/morph). How
>> realistic would you want to be, with regards to the difference between
>> Mother Nature's designs and, say, Terri Smith's designs.
>
>Haven't seen Terri Smith's concepts yet, but... I'd prefer the
>natural shape...
I say Terri Smith, but mean any 'pin-up' artist.
>> white or non existence. And fox tails are nowhere nearly as fluffy as
>> they are made out to be.
>
>And wolves aren't fluffy in summer either... ;-)
And arctic foxes look about 2453 times cuter in the winter...
Luh! Kan dez
--
"I know I'm an emotional punchbag... *thwack!* Emotional and _physical_ punchbag..."
Buster Charlie
Locandez <lyn...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <5omlup$c...@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net>, Buster Charlie
><Bust...@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>>Listen to some white zombie, it will make you "BETTER"
>>
>>As for eating live mice....
>>
>>You may wonder why I don't take more of the "Carnivor" role in my
>>story's/roleplaying...Well, I figure, nobody likes to have their totem
>>picked on, I am sick of this crap.
>
>You mean, you don't roleplay animals being killed, or animals being classed
>as 'evil' or 'good'?
I'm sick of this 'Good' 'evil' crap
for example:
"Polecats, least weasels, sables, grisons, ratels and tayras are all evil"
-Christopher Beatty
Why, thank you sir, I DID NOT KNOW THAT! Gee, too bad I have all this
"Brain" stuff in my head, otherwise I would see that all these animals are
evil because.. why? "Well, they just are."
You know why that pisses me off? THINK ABOUT IT! ALl these furs are
talking about how they would hate to be the only fur because people are so
intolerent...WAKE UP! These Stonewall freaks, call themselfs "furries" or
whatever, yet, they are just as dangerous as some waco with a shotgun.
AHHH!
Call me paranoid? Well, its a good thing, because I think all, um, HORSES
are EVIL AND SHOULD BE EXTERMINATED!
People are sick, they get all upset about people eating dogs, WELL
AMERICANS EAT COWS! Alot of people see eating cows as bad.
The point its, I really try to say, hell, even though I don't really like
a certain animal, somebody dose, they are not evil, how would I like it
that animal was a ferret? I wouldent like it. I know how it feels, I mean,
IT really pisses me off how someone can use this "Good" "Evil" crap to
cover up for sloppy writing.
Do I make sense?
>
>>What really gets me, is when this redwall freak E-mailed me and gave me
>>this BJ RULS YOU SUCK treatment, that didn't get me mad, what got me mad
>>was when he said this little comment, something about how in one book
>>there was a good rat, but the way he said it, like rats are bad, I mean
>>REALLY?
>
>It's kinda like the 'token' characters in films/programmes - the token
>'black', the token 'woman' etc. It's like, BJ decided to put in a good rat,
>to somehow 'balance' the stakes, although if the number of bad rats outweigh
>the number of bad rats, then who is he kidding?
>
>>Is this "On-topic" WHo cares, Rats are cool, Its those cute bunnies we got
>>to look out for, THEY SCARE ME! AHHHHHH!
>
>Hmmm... article=ontopic if article discusses furry lifestyles. If you get
>offended when BJ anthropomorphizes certain animals as bad, then arguably
>it's a sign that you 'feel' so ferrety.
>
>
>
>Locandez
>
>
>--
>
>"It must be terrible when really important people think you're shite."
>
Yeah, Its like "HEY! These "books" are dirty as hell, AND I'M NOT GOING TO
TAKE IT ANYMORE!"
Try track 14.
GIVE ME A REASON! NOT A COMMAND!
Kimba W. Lion
Rorschach <o...@efn.org> wrote:
>What kinds of decoration do you think that you would use as a furry?
>Examples might be dying fur in patterns (and also shaving patterns),
>jewelry, clothing, scarves, etc.
Heh...as little as possible! Heck, as it is, I only wear clothes
as a public service.
KWLion
Rorschach
Locandez wrote:
>
> Suppose you could become a 'furry' in real life (ie. animal/morph). How
> realistic would you want to be, with regards to the difference between
> Mother Nature's designs and, say, Terri Smith's designs.
snip
> Basically, if you could change into the body of an furry, would you like
> that body to be 'realistic', or based on a furry artist's designs?
I can't remember whether I have seen this thread recently, so I will
start it up here as a subtopic. (It goes well with Realism/Being Furry)
What kinds of decoration do you think that you would use as a furry?
Examples might be dying fur in patterns (and also shaving patterns),
jewelry, clothing, scarves, etc.
. . Rorschach (Rors)
| \ / |
|/ """ \? A simple pattern of Black and White?
//,\ /,\\ Within it you can find images, reflections. Maybe Balance.
\ |_| / I walk a risky path: alone, yet not: whole, yet fractured.
`=' "Now is the time to RAGE against the dying of the light"
Rorschach
Locandez wrote:
>
> Suppose you could become a 'furry' in real life (ie. animal/morph). How
> realistic would you want to be, with regards to the difference between
> Mother Nature's designs and, say, Terri Smith's designs.
snip colour example :b
> Basically, if you could change into the body of an furry, would you like
> that body to be 'realistic', or based on a furry artist's designs?
My furryness as I have visualized it is a very natural form. For a long
time the only alternate form that I had even imagined was that of a true
wolf (and I still don't know what color. I don't tend to look at myself
in dreams. Brown or Reddish I would guess)
It is only more recently with finding other weres that I started to
imagine an anthropomorphic form as well. I don't know whether this is a
form that I could take, or whether it is an internal visualization of my
furriness.... Whichever it is, it is still very naturalistic.
Digitigrade feet, pawlike hands, Reddish or Brownish fur, very
canine/lupine head and muzzle.
Probably would be about the same weight as I am, not too much fat at
all, but certainly not a body builders physique. Good shape and very
good endurance. I would probably end up somewhat scruffy looking, as I
have more important things to do than spend hours every day brushing my
fur.
WebKitty
> What kinds of decoration do you think that you would use as a furry?
> Examples might be dying fur in patterns (and also shaving patterns),
> jewelry, clothing, scarves, etc.
Hrm...I wouldn't mind still having pierced ears as a furry, although I'm
not sure how much this might restrict hearing. I just think that the
Egyptian statues of cats with one earring look really neat. :)
I don't think I'd dye my fur (basic black goes with everything anyhow).
But maybe I'd wear bracelets, bangles, ribbon on the tail?
"Rings on her fingers,
Bells on her toes,
She shall have music wherever she goes..."
WebKitty
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--Homer J. Simpson
Locandez
In article <5orbi2$q...@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net>, Buster Charlie
<Bust...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>You know why that pisses me off? THINK ABOUT IT! ALl these furs are
>talking about how they would hate to be the only fur because people are so
>intolerent...WAKE UP! These Stonewall freaks, call themselfs "furries" or
>whatever, yet, they are just as dangerous as some waco with a shotgun.
>AHHH!
Just because a person likes the Redwall series, doesn't mean that they share
the same idea of 'good' and 'evil' animals as BJ does. I agree that there
might a problem concerning people's attitudes towards animals - I believe
the Japanese consider the fox as evil - but I think that pales in comparison
to the general reaction of the public if they should see _any_ morph.
>Call me paranoid? Well, its a good thing, because I think all, um, HORSES
>are EVIL AND SHOULD BE EXTERMINATED!
Good thing Brad isn't reading this :)
>The point its, I really try to say, hell, even though I don't really like
>a certain animal, somebody dose, they are not evil, how would I like it
>that animal was a ferret? I wouldent like it. I know how it feels, I mean,
>IT really pisses me off how someone can use this "Good" "Evil" crap to
>cover up for sloppy writing.
I don't think BJ uses this good/evil stuff to cover up for 'sloppy writing'
- remember what age group it is written for; and that kids strongly identify
with ideas of good against evil. I personally don't think that these books
would convince a child that one particular animal is 'bad' - kids are
smarter than that.
Locandez
(a drink which makes ferrets hyperactive... coffee!)
--
"Replace the case screws, if you can find them."
Buster Charlie
"Chris Johnson" <jinx...@sover.net> wrote:
>On Wed, Jun 25, 1997 11:31 AM, Locandez <mailto:lyn...@argonet.co.uk>
>wrote:
>>>Interesting... or how about if your markings changed every day? Let's
>face
>>it, no self respecting fox would take a brush (no pun intended) to their
>>fur...
>
>reminds me of the Cambridge Bi-Hourly thing that I wrote ages ago, to be
>specific the sidebar with clothing designers speculating on furry clothing
><http://www.sover.net/~jinx6568/CBH1.html>
> Just imagine- furcoloring, and furrypunks with _shaved_ areas! eep! ;)
>
> Jinx_tigr
> (aka Chris Johnson)
>
>
I READ THAT! WOW! Nice "Thing"...
Farthing W. Fox
On Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:36:27 BST, Locandez <lyn...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <33B153...@efn.org>, Rorschach <o...@efn.org> wrote:
> >
> >What kinds of decoration do you think that you would use as a furry?
> >Examples might be dying fur in patterns (and also shaving patterns),
> >jewelry, clothing, scarves, etc.
>
> would be nice, and possibly a crude, home made tunic/jacket thingy -
Pretty much ditto on this for me - VR-wise at least, I go around in shorts
and a waistcoat.
> no jewellery mind.
Depends what you mean by jewelry. I wouldn't go fur any earrings or finger
rings. Though I would settle for my necklace with the fox pendant - same
as I wear RL.
--
F W Fox
f...@vulpes.net
'No hamster or purchase necessary'
Ricochet
Locandez wrote:
>
> In article <33AF18...@glasscity.net>, Ricochet <bl...@glasscity.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >I always had this vision that I was an all-white furred dog morph, but I
> >haven't seen an old-english sheepdog that is all white. Therefore I have
> >random brownish-patches. I suppose in morphic state, I'd hafta be more
> >humanistic...more like the Hepcats...
>
> That's a kind of animal form which I _wouldn't_ like. I don't like art
> which is little more than a human body with an animal's head, perhaps with a
> Then again, why do we want anthro forms? Some may say, "I want to still use
> a computer", or "I want to be able to talk to other furs", but if you were
> to change into a fur for a day, would you think, "Oh well, better catch up
> on my email"? *snip*.
>
Good point. I guess I don't want to be as non-shaggy as some of those
characters appear. Maybe I'd better describe myself as taking a
four-legger sheepdog and morphing UP to anthropomorphic form with my
suggested additions. I guess thaat would be a better description, rather
than starting human and changing.
After shifting to an anthropomorphic form, I'd get on the computer right
away to send an e-mail of the good news, and that I would be AFK for a
few days, then I'd hop in the car and go see my close furry friends.
Now, if I were to suddenly transform into a non-morphic form, the first
person I'd call is a very good non-furry friend (assuming I still could
speak, but even if I couldn't he has caller ID and would connect the
barking....) He'd get me to some of my furry friends in other states,
and I could go from there.
Either way, I think the computer would be the last thing in my thoughts
after a transformation. -Ricochet
Locandez
In article <33B153...@efn.org>, Rorschach <o...@efn.org> wrote:
>
>What kinds of decoration do you think that you would use as a furry?
>Examples might be dying fur in patterns (and also shaving patterns),
>jewelry, clothing, scarves, etc.
I'd feel a tad nekkid without any clothing, so some ripped denim shorts
would be nice, and possibly a crude, home made tunic/jacket thingy -
something as Robin Hoodesque as possible. Some sort of slogan on my back,
using non-permament white die would be pretty cool; no jewellery mind.
Locandez
--
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Robin91783
>"Polecats, least weasels, sables, grisons, ratels and tayras are all
evil"
> -Christopher Beatty
>
>
:) had this discussion (sort of) at work - a co-worker compared a
particularly stupid/loathsome manager to a weasel but (of course) I argued
the point that weasels are smart & cute & at least you know where you
stand with a weasel (I love my garden weasel:)) & he really_had_
nothing_in common with a weasel....she grudgingly agreed:)
Robin, scoring a small victory for weasels....
as for the artists, I am not familiar with Terri Smith's work, but I do
like Eugene Arenhaus' work....got a great white tiger (Johnny Blanco)
looking at a butterfly right here....and BTW, the lion morph is one Eugene
Arenhaus did....
Buster Charlie
YEAH! WEASELMAINIA!
Rael
Rorschach wrote in article <33B153...@efn.org>...
>What kinds of decoration do you think that you would use as a furry?
>Examples might be dying fur in patterns (and also shaving patterns),
>jewelry, clothing, scarves, etc.
Decorations??? Let me see....for one, I'm not exactly naturally pink. Sorry
to say, there aren't any naturally pink bunnys *giggle*
Anyway, my fur was originally white, but it was a tad too ordinary for me, so
now I dye it light pink. It's just a personal preference. To me, it seems no
different than having your hair dyed if you are a human.
Essentially, my "removable" decorations are dependant on the situation and it's
needs. For the most part, I tend to avoid clothing. When I'm in the privacy
of my own home, just enough clothing to maintain my modesty is all I ever need
*smile*
If clothing is required for the given situation,
I tend to like simpler things like jean-shorts and belly shirts, and other
casual clothing. For something a bit more formal, I like long dresses,
especially ones made from more exotic materials like PVC. Makes a rather
interesting statement, I suppose.
As for jewelry?? At most, I may wear a necklace, but I tend to avoid jewelry.
I just don't enjoy the idea of metal...things hanging off my ears and such.
*giggle*
So, these are the types of decorations I wear, as a furry. *smile*
Rael
Buster Charlie
"Rael" <ol...@nmol.com> wrote:
>
> Rorschach wrote in article <33B153...@efn.org>...
>>What kinds of decoration do you think that you would use as a furry?
>>Examples might be dying fur in patterns (and also shaving patterns),
>>jewelry, clothing, scarves, etc.
>
>Decorations??? Let me see....for one, I'm not exactly naturally pink. Sorry
>to say, there aren't any naturally pink bunnys *giggle*
*WINCE*
Well, I was toying with dyeing my whole body black, that would be cool,
but I guess I will have to settle for my head fur for now...
>Anyway, my fur was originally white, but it was a tad too ordinary for me, so
>now I dye it light pink. It's just a personal preference. To me, it seems no
>different than having your hair dyed if you are a human.
>
>Essentially, my "removable" decorations are dependant on the situation and it's
>needs. For the most part, I tend to avoid clothing. When I'm in the privacy
>of my own home, just enough clothing to maintain my modesty is all I ever need
>*smile*
*ACK!*
Ah-ha...
>If clothing is required for the given situation,
> I tend to like simpler things like jean-shorts and belly shirts, and other
>casual clothing. For something a bit more formal, I like long dresses,
>especially ones made from more exotic materials like PVC. Makes a rather
>interesting statement, I suppose.
>
I think I got some clothing made of PVC pipe someplace....
*ROLF*
>As for jewelry?? At most, I may wear a necklace, but I tend to avoid jewelry.
>I just don't enjoy the idea of metal...things hanging off my ears and such.
>*giggle*
>
Jewelry? Humm, dose grenades and skulls count?
>So, these are the types of decorations I wear, as a furry. *smile*
>
>Rael
>
>
>
MAKE THE GIGGLE-BUNNY STOP! MAKE HER STOP! I CAN'T STAND THE SMILES! NOOO!
Ron Orr...& Tirran
Buster Charlie <Bust...@juno.com> wrote:
> ... "Oh of
> course we are friends, even though we are totally diffrent species, we
> have learned to live in peace and harmony, Well EXCEPT for those Foxes,
> for some reason, I just hate them, of course I am not racist, because I
> only hate foxes, not other animals....."
Insert other epithets and I couldn't tell you how many people
I've heard say exactly the same thing...
> Ya know, Remember that american soldier who refued to fight, but he was
> willing to do other things...
<military history snipped>
Yeah...they pick whichever definition of 'right' that fits each
individual case...whichever one gives them the justification to exert
control.
Interesting parallel case; I was looking thru the Fredericks of
Hollywood catalog (never mind why) when I cam across a shirt and pant
set incorporating parts of cut-up American flags.
Anyone here remember Abby Hoffman? They arrested him (or tried
to...been a while) for wearing a shirt made from a flag. Would he have
been treated differently if he hadn't been a critic of the System? If
he'd just been someone making a Fashion Statement? Survey says 'yes'...
Tir'
Buster Charlie
griz...@vianet.on.ca (Ron Orr...& Tirran) wrote:
>Buster Charlie <Bust...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> ... "Oh of
>> course we are friends, even though we are totally diffrent species, we
>> have learned to live in peace and harmony, Well EXCEPT for those Foxes,
>> for some reason, I just hate them, of course I am not racist, because I
>> only hate foxes, not other animals....."
>
> Insert other epithets and I couldn't tell you how many people
>I've heard say exactly the same thing...
>
BECAUSE WHEN THE REVOLUTION COMES IT WILL BE ALL THE POLITICIANS AND
LAWERS WHO WILL BE THE FIRST AGAINST THE WALL!
And
WHEN WE START A GLOBAL THERMONUCEAR WAR AND EVERYONE DIES, I WONT GIVE A
SHISHT BECAUSE 75% ARE JERKS 10% ARE IDIOTS 10% ARE HIGH 4.9999999999999%
ARE REALLY NICE PEOPLE AND 0.000000000000001% are me. AND THEY ALL DESERVE
TO DIE! BUT! THe nicest thing? In 5,000,000 years, the world will be
populated by anthormophic cockraches that will have more morallity than
most humans, and THEY WILL NOT HAVE LAWYERS (They will be above that).
What about law? Well they will have BILLY THE 100ft MUTANT HUMAN WITH THE
CAN-O-RAID!
Nevermind.
>> Ya know, Remember that american soldier who refued to fight, but he was
>> willing to do other things...
>
><military history snipped>
>
> Yeah...they pick whichever definition of 'right' that fits each
>individual case...whichever one gives them the justification to exert
>control.
>
> Interesting parallel case; I was looking thru the Fredericks of
>Hollywood catalog (never mind why) when I cam across a shirt and pant
>set incorporating parts of cut-up American flags.
> Anyone here remember Abby Hoffman? They arrested him (or tried
>to...been a while) for wearing a shirt made from a flag. Would he have
>been treated differently if he hadn't been a critic of the System? If
>he'd just been someone making a Fashion Statement? Survey says 'yes'...
>
>Tir'
Very good point, another good point?
http://www.otal.umd.edu/~jyang/Paragon/internet.html
Very well put. Or maybe not.
Dennis Lee Bieber
On Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:09:46 BST in alt.lifestyle.furry,
Locandez (lyn...@argonet.co.uk) declaimed:
>
> And arctic foxes look about 2453 times cuter in the winter...
>
IOW: Deadly cute <G>
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Robin91783 <robin...@aol.com> wrote:
> In article <1997062719...@nor-annex-port5.vianet.on.ca>,
> griz...@vianet.on.ca (Ron Orr...& Tirran) writes:
>
> > Anyone here remember Abby Hoffman? They arrested him (or tried
> >to...been a while) for wearing a shirt made from a flag...
>
> hmmmm, sounds like a dress code violation here....perhaps Mr Hoffman did
> not look as "good" as the Fredericks of Hollywood model?...
It probably had more to do with his radical politics and
anti-Vietnam War stance than any worries about his looks...tho come to
think of it, everyone in _favour_ of that war wore suits...
> I have seen shirts lately made to look as if it was made from a flag, so
> perhaps that's what the model is wearing....
I suppose; but a flag is just paint and cloth anyway (tho some
of yer more fervent 'patriots' would have you think otherwisw...)
Tir'
CyberTiger
Ron Orr...& Tirran wrote:
> I suppose; but a flag is just paint and cloth anyway (tho some
> of yer more fervent 'patriots' would have you think otherwisw...)
>
> Tir'
*counting to 10 slowly* So you're lumping us who take pride in
that flag (and the country it stands for) with those like the
Viper Militia down in Arizona (?) or Timothy McVeigh?
Anyhow, I don't know if they're still in effect, but back in the
30's Congress passed a bill (I think it was a resolution, but not
sure) describing the proper treatment of the flag, which included
not making clothing out of a flag. Like I just said, I'm not
sure if such a law is in effect, but I believe it still was around
Abbie's time. Again, my memory fails to provide the details, so I
could have it all bungled...
CyberTiger ^..^
Locandez
In article <33B175...@efn.org>, Rorschach <o...@efn.org> wrote:
>
>I am intrigued with the idea of dying patterns into fur, I think that it
>could give a really cool effect. (Imagine also how it would look also
>if the color was in several layers so that as the fur moved, the
>underlying colors would show through at the surface).
Sounds very cool. Or perhaps fur which changes colour depending on
temperature, mood, sexual drive... or perhaps a sort of holographic,
shimmering effect?
>would have a number of patterns and swirls of blackwork at the least
>dyed onto me. (Downside of this is that tattoos don't work anymore
>unless you shave a patch (ick).
"Patches are for animals which have been to the vet."
>I don't see wearing full shoes (especially not if digitigrade), but I
>can see having a pair of strong sandals for walking over nasty sharp
>surfaces.
Get some of those doggy-boots the fire/rescue services use... (for their
dogs, not themselves :)
Locandez
In article <33B1A2...@glasscity.net>, Ricochet <bl...@glasscity.net>
wrote:
>
>Non-morphed form, I'd simply be wearing my red webbed collar with a
>silver tag that says "Ricochet", and maybe whatever else is required by
>law that a dog wear so I don't end up in a pound. -Ricochet
Ricochet: "A dog license form, please"
Post Office Clerk: "Here you go..." (watches Ric fill in form)
"Is he a nice dog?"
Ricochet: (grinning) "Oh, yeah. Handsome dog, alright. Massive sex drive,
can act a bit silly sometimes. A big bundle o' fun!"
Clerk: "Where is he now? At home?"
Ricochet: "Errmmm.... "
Locandez
--
How many mice does it take to screw in a light bulb? Two, but it has to be a large light bulb...
Locandez
In article <5opkpq$5e3$1...@chaos.ao.net>, "Tikki" <ol...@nmol.com> wrote:
>
>
>I don't think Furrys, being human to some extent, will be able to
>escape concepts like vanity and the like. Some will exhibit them more than
>others, just like most regular human folks today. Then again ,some may not
>even carry this trait, and as such they'd have no inclining to choose at
>all.
'Course, the issue of vanity is different when _you_ designed the body,
rather than accepted what nature gave you. Perhaps it would be a good idea
if nature chose our designs - generally realistic, maybe anthro if you
really want, but with a random element thrown in. Personally, I'd feel
pretty cheated if I chose a realistic, scrawny build, when everyone chooses
a sturdier design...
>explain it....ok. I have a picture of my "furry half" up on my web
>page..it's the fox. In that, I look pretty vulpine, but still quite human
>too. The body structure is markedly human, as well as the stance and such.
Seen it; and even gone so far as to keep it for my furry archive :) It's
more or less how I see myself; and how I've drawn Locandez in my past (shame
I don't have a scanner; my pencil sketches are better than my computer
drawings - looks like I'll have to adapt 'FoxPaint'...) Admittedly, he's a
tad lithe, but that's perhaps relative to all the beefcake I've seen. And
his tail... just a _tad_ too bushy :)
>Yet...I think that who you are in terms of being more or less human "on the
>inside", will have nothing to do with your physical form at all. I think a
>lot of _how_ we are is simply a product of chance...and the "brainwashing"
>of society to some extent, but I don't think form will dictate who we are.
Right now, I'm human; no doubt about that. And if someone was to say, "Visit
this website, design your ideal furry form, submit it and within 28 days
you'll shift", I'd probably be wise to abstain for a while. The design that
'J', the human likes, would be far different to the form that I, in a
_vulpine_ mindframe, would appreciate.
Sideline: I took a sideline of the original article to alt.animals.foxes,
and what someone says prompted another thread back here: how willing would
you be to shed, not only aspects of _your_ human personality, but _other_
people? That is to say, if you injured yourself in the wild, would you allow
the wound to heal naturally (danger of infection, or in the case of a
leg-break, a stunted leg), or would you appreciate a little human
intervention? (Assuming that you lacked the skill to do the repair yourself;
ie if you were a four legged critter instead of an anthro) If I did go for
the four-legged critter design, and I injured myself; I'd gladly seek help
where possible. Let's face it; you probably wouldn't be able to enjoy your
animal life otherwise. Someone over at alt.animals.foxes said that foxes do
well without human intervention; a case of 'letting nature take over'. Maybe
so; but foxes probably aren't aware of the help available... :)
Locandez
--
"Do they mean me? They surely do!"
Ron Orr...& Tirran
Buster Charlie <Bust...@juno.com> wrote:
> Burning the flag "because you can" is like buying a bucnh of guns and
> going on a killing spree "Because you can". Just because you can does not
> make it right...
Flag-burning as a method of protest is kinda childish...but
there seem to be fewer and fewer ways of expressing discontent with
things as they are any more...
Tir'
Ron Orr...& Tirran
CyberTiger <dan...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Ron Orr...& Tirran wrote:
> > I suppose; but a flag is just paint and cloth anyway (tho some
> > of yer more fervent 'patriots' would have you think otherwise...)
>
> *counting to 10 slowly* So you're lumping us who take pride in
> that flag (and the country it stands for) with those like the
> Viper Militia down in Arizona (?) or Timothy McVeigh?
Oh, heavens, no...
I'm all for national pride; I have to admit to having rather a
lot of it myself. It can motivate one to get involved, to make positive
changes and to celebrate the acheivements of the past. (_And_ to
recognise the mistakes as well.)
But there's a point where one has to be careful. It's easy to
accept the status quo as being perfect ("America - love it or leave it")
whether it is or not. And one must be careful that one doesn't mistake
the symbols for the country, or put the symbols _before_ the
country...and there have been so many instances where people of evil
intent (like the militias) hide behind the symbols to disguise their
true motives. I guess that makes someone like me a little leery and
mistrustful and cynical after a while.
> Anyhow, I don't know if they're still in effect, but back in the
> 30's Congress passed a bill (I think it was a resolution, but not
> sure) describing the proper treatment of the flag, which included
> not making clothing out of a flag. Like I just said, I'm not
> sure if such a law is in effect, but I believe it still was around
> Abbie's time.
If so, I can see how the trouble began, tho I also remember
self-styled 'patriots' (the far-right 'hard-hats') who did the same
thing at the same time without approbation.
Hmm...wonder if that one would still be on the books...
Tir'
who will probably never understand Americans
Tikki
Locandez wrote in article ...
>'Course, the issue of vanity is different when _you_ designed the body,
>rather than accepted what nature gave you. Perhaps it would be a good idea
>if nature chose our designs - generally realistic, maybe anthro if you
>really want, but with a random element thrown in. Personally, I'd feel
>pretty cheated if I chose a realistic, scrawny build, when everyone chooses
>a sturdier design...
Yet, how many of us tend to just accept ourselves as we are physically??? On
average, most don't. So, seeing as though being furry will always have that
human aspect to it, you will get a large amount of vanity and the like.
But....you do have a point. It wouldn't be an issue at all if the fur just
accepts themselves for what they were naturally.
>Seen it; and even gone so far as to keep it for my furry archive :) It's
>more or less how I see myself; and how I've drawn Locandez in my past (shame
>I don't have a scanner; my pencil sketches are better than my computer
>drawings - looks like I'll have to adapt 'FoxPaint'...) Admittedly, he's a
>tad lithe, but that's perhaps relative to all the beefcake I've seen. And
>his tail... just a _tad_ too bushy :)
Well, the tail is a bit exaggerated, and surprisingly he does have my posture
(this was something I never touched on in my text desc to the artist...it just
kinda came out that way :)
I like the way it came out....it's about the most "right" image of me that I
could ever show somebody.
>Right now, I'm human; no doubt about that. And if someone was to say, "Visit
>this website, design your ideal furry form, submit it and within 28 days
>you'll shift", I'd probably be wise to abstain for a while. The design that
>'J', the human likes, would be far different to the form that I, in a
>_vulpine_ mindframe, would appreciate.
Perhaps....though it'd be hard to ever figure out just what _would_ be right
under those circumstances, since you wouldn't know what you wanted to look like
until you already looked like it.....if you follow.
Tikki
Locandez
In article <5p62cn$c...@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net>, Buster Charlie
<Bust...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>Burning the flag "because you can" is like buying a bucnh of guns and
>going on a killing spree "Because you can". Just because you can does not
Yeah, but killing people like that is inherently wrong, whereas the worst
you can do by burning the flag is to offend people. Assuming they see you,
of course.
s...@lns592.lns.cornell.edu
>Anyhow, I don't know if they're still in effect, but back in the
>30's Congress passed a bill (I think it was a resolution, but not
>sure) describing the proper treatment of the flag, which included
>not making clothing out of a flag. Like I just said, I'm not
>sure if such a law is in effect, but I believe it still was around
>Abbie's time. Again, my memory fails to provide the details, so I
>could have it all bungled...
>
The relevant laws are very much still in effect.
See
U.S. Code Title 18, Chapter 33, section 700
Desecration of the flag of the United States; penalties
at http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/36/176.html
which explicitly mentions burning
and
U.S. Code Title 36, Chapter 10, section 176
Respect for the flag
at http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/36/176.html
which forbids using a flag as clothing.
I hope this helps.
fuzzy
Micole The Ermine
In article <na.cc6ceb47a2...@argonet.co.uk>,
Locandez <lyn...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> In article <33B175...@efn.org>, Rorschach <o...@efn.org> wrote:
> >
> >I am intrigued with the idea of dying patterns into fur, I think that it
> >could give a really cool effect. (Imagine also how it would look also
> >if the color was in several layers so that as the fur moved, the
> >underlying colors would show through at the surface).
>
> Sounds very cool. Or perhaps fur which changes colour depending on
> temperature, mood, sexual drive... or perhaps a sort of holographic,
> shimmering effect?
(The Khromat ermine's ear twitch as her fur twinkles teal-blue.)
Did someone mention my fur?
:3
Actually, khromatai also dye their fur as decoration... as the color
coats athe guardhair fibers, it prevents the color-changing (or rather,
the chemical reaction still happens, but it's hidden under the dye), so
dyed patterns for a frozen color in the fur!
> >would have a number of patterns and swirls of blackwork at the least
> >dyed onto me. (Downside of this is that tattoos don't work anymore
> >unless you shave a patch (ick).
>
> "Patches are for animals which have been to the vet."
A brief fad that comes back every so often in the punk-equivalent of
khromat society is 'burned-fur'... shaved areas where the skin was burned
to prevent the hair from growing back. Lightly 'burned' areas will regrow
the fur, but the scar tissue prevents a complete recovery so the fur in
that area doesn't necessarily blend in with the surrounding 'normal'
areas.... it might be a permanently colored fur, or follows the
patterning of the contrast or underfurs...
> >I don't see wearing full shoes (especially not if digitigrade), but I
> >can see having a pair of strong sandals for walking over nasty sharp
> >surfaces.
Try Ninja Boots sometime... the split-toe is good for a digitigrade
design. Pawpads aren't necessarily armored. :3
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Locandez
In article <8678674...@dejanews.com>, jenn...@toysrus.com (Micole The
Ermine) wrote:
>
>> Sounds very cool. Or perhaps fur which changes colour depending on
>> temperature, mood, sexual drive... or perhaps a sort of holographic,
>> shimmering effect?
>
>(The Khromat ermine's ear twitch as her fur twinkles teal-blue.)
>
>Did someone mention my fur?
>:3
Might make hiding your emotions that little bit harder, mind.
"You're depressed, aren't you?"
"How can you tell?"
"Your fur is making a pouty face at me."
Locandez
In article <33bc3393...@news.rat.org>, Robin...@aol.com (Robin)
wrote:
>
>>you be to shed, not only aspects of _your_ human personality, but _other_
>>people? That is to say, if you injured yourself in the wild, would you
>>allow the wound to heal naturally (danger of infection, or in the case of
>>a leg-break, a stunted leg), or would you appreciate a little human
>>intervention? (Assuming that you lacked the skill to do the repair
>>yourself; ie if you were a four legged critter instead of an anthro)
>
>medical attention - suffering for suffering's sake does not appeal to
>me...(been there, done that).
Well, a lot of wild animals are by default scared of humans; and they aren't
aware that such help exists for them. One the advantage of having been a
human before, is the knowledge that there is help available, and that you
can also tell where to find it. I figure that if I were to shift into a fox,
the extra human knowledge would be useful in the wild...
Locandez
Locandez
In article <33bc38e5...@news.rat.org>, Robin...@aol.com (Robin)
wrote:
>
>>Ooh, forgot about smell :) I wouldn't mind walking around with the smell
>>of fox around me ("l'eau d'arse de Reynard?")
>>
>>*glares at Buster* "DON'T say it."
>okay, I will - all furs together "I smell coffee"
Doooohhh....! A hyperactive ferret and a silly tigress; how can I compete?
Locandez
--
"Now, I know what you're thinking - which makes me very powerful indeed"
Robin91783
In article <na.eb73e147a4...@argonet.co.uk>, Locandez
<lyn...@argonet.co.uk> writes:
>Doooohhh....! A hyperactive ferret and a silly tigress; how can I
compete?
>
>
difficult, isn't it;)
if we could put that energy towards good instead of eevil......
Robin, being silly again......
Boss Hoss
>><Bust...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Listen to some white zombie, it will make you "BETTER"
>>>
>>>As for eating live mice....
>>>
(Boss Hoss uses "snip"chainsaw on "arbitrary good/ee-vil species lables")
>
>Call me paranoid? Well, its a good thing, because I think all, um, HORSES
>are EVIL AND SHOULD BE EXTERMINATED!
>
(veritech fighter(from"Robotech")comes up behind and taps Buster on the
helmet w/the muzzle of the 57mm gun pod,the cockpit opens to reveal a
bay equi-morph)"I..*hope*..you are just illustrating a point with that
remark!(tries to hold his"enraged stallion"expression,but collapses into
a giggling fit,gun pod hangs loose to the side)
("snip"chainsaw again on more of point-making..BZZZ!)
>
>Try track 14.
>
>GIVE ME A REASON! NOT A COMMAND!
>
Just Horsing Around,
BOSS HOSS
Tom Brady
In article <5phjel$84h$2...@news.pacifier.com>, cop...@nospam.pacifier.com (c m) wrote:
> Really. There is a major difference between the two. A life cannot be
>restored, but you can always get another flag. As I've always said,
>Burn the politicians not the flag.
Molly Ivins said it best in her column yesterday:
"Better someone who burns the flag and wraps themselves in the Constitution
than a politician who burns the Constitution and wraps themselves in the
flag."
-T.
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Micole The Ermine
In article <na.d1d96d47a3...@argonet.co.uk>,
Locandez <lyn...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> In article <8678674...@dejanews.com>, jenn...@toysrus.com (Micole The
> Ermine) wrote:
> >
> >> Sounds very cool. Or perhaps fur which changes colour depending on
> >> temperature, mood, sexual drive... or perhaps a sort of holographic,
> >> shimmering effect?
> >
> >(The Khromat ermine's ear twitch as her fur twinkles teal-blue.)
> >
> >Did someone mention my fur?
> >:3
>
> Might make hiding your emotions that little bit harder, mind.
>
> "You're depressed, aren't you?"
> "How can you tell?"
> "Your fur is making a pouty face at me."
Actually, that is just like body language in general. Control is the key:
most people are expressive under strong emotions (excitement, depression,
anger), but are less disctinctive with more subtle emotions (envy versus
pique, frustration versus annoyance, melencholy versus aloofness). Then
it is considered socially impolite to be overly obvious about your
emotional state (yelling in public tends to get stares and/or police
calls).
With khromatai, you have the double problem of the emotionally-sensitive
color changing fur as well as their natural empathy... it is a societal
virtue to control the emotional washes on the fur and to control mental
outbursts... for the khromat, control is a very important psychological
need. Not too much control, though... they are not Vulcans, denying that
they *have* emotions. They just believe that you should be aware of
everyone around you and how your emotions can affect *them*. :3
Now, Micole's kind of unusual for a khromat. Her career path is one where
her training accentuates her emotional color-shifting, so she's
considered 'loud and vivacious' among other khromatai, but they expect
this kind of behavior from her profession -- to teach non-khromatai,
like teaching children, you must be more extreme and clearer in the
concepts.
ermine
home email: Khr...@InOrbit.com