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Steeleheart

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Aug 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/28/98
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Sometimes yes, but I think that it is more that the poem or story hasn't
"touched" me in the same way that it touched others. On the other paw, I
find that there are things out there that have touched me, and I find out
that no one else was touched or moved in the same way. I believe that it
all depends on your "P.O.V.", and possibly your current "mood", I have found
stuff that hasn't moved me in any form at the time that I originally saw it,
but maybe a week later I go back and look at it again and find things in it
that I had missed the first time around (or at least it seems that way).

"Someone hold him down. He's gone off rambling again"

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A lack of brains on your part,
DOES NOT constitute an Emergency on my part.
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Locandez wrote in message ...
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> Does anyone else here skim through poems and stories, and totally fail to
>empathise with the "your words touched me so much!" replies that some get?
>Am I experiencing some sort of 'lower animal' related stupidity?
>
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>Locandez
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Rael

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Aug 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/28/98
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Locandez wrote in message ...
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> Does anyone else here skim through poems and stories, and totally fail to
>empathise with the "your words touched me so much!" replies that some get?
>Am I experiencing some sort of 'lower animal' related stupidity?


I doubt it highly. Simply put, "one fur's joy makes another fur weep".
What "clicked" with someone else simply had no effect on you...and I'll bet
the opposite happens a lot too, and you may not be aware of it. I know that
I personally never really such much meaning in most traditional artwork.
All those abstract paintings and such...99% of them just mean nothing to me,
no matter how much I try to pull something from them. Does this mean I'm an
uneducated dolt?? Perhaps, but I'd like to think it's more of the case of
just not having the same "eye" for art that others do. Like the fact that I
might be good at fixing things while some others can't even work a
screwdriver; or the fact that some people can draw without even thinking
about it, while someone like me can't even handle a stick figure *giggle*

Rael

http://home.mci2000.com/~s...@mci2000.com/
"Look upon this life as just a picture you are painting, there is a reason
for this being"
---Jon Anderson (Yes) "That, That is"

Flicker

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Aug 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/28/98
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Locandez wrote:

> Does anyone else here skim through poems and stories, and totally fail to
> empathise with the "your words touched me so much!" replies that some get?
> Am I experiencing some sort of 'lower animal' related stupidity?

Stupidity? If so, paint me stupid too.
My tastes in poetry and prose and rather narrowly defined, and if something
doesn't get past my "filter" it means very little to me.
That's not to imply anything derogatory about anything posted here (or
anywhere else, for that matter). Anything that falls outside my interests could
be lumped with the very best writing in the world.

-Flicker
"anyone lived in a pretty how town
with up so floating many bells down..."


Chris Johnson

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Aug 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/29/98
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In article <na.6eca24487c...@argonet.co.uk>, Locandez

<pve...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Does anyone else here skim through poems and stories, and totally fail to
> empathise with the "your words touched me so much!" replies that some get?
> Am I experiencing some sort of 'lower animal' related stupidity?
> Locandez

Yeah- me :) and the weird part is, I get those replies sometimes, from
things I've written. I could kind of understand it from things Edie has
written, because that avenue of my self-expression is the free-er one, but
for me? It doesn't make any sense, though it is nice and all :)
I always am cheered and appreciate them and am happy to see 'em, but
occasionally I'm just freaked out by them :)

Jinx_tigr
(aka Chris Johnson)

Sun-stone

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Aug 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/30/98
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Locandez wrote:

> Does anyone else here skim through poems and stories, and totally
> fail to
> empathise with the "your words touched me so much!" replies that some
> get?
> Am I experiencing some sort of 'lower animal' related stupidity?

No. You're just being honest. That's a precious commodity. Poetry, art,
and literature are personal. Some of it you'll like; some you won't.
There are great works of literature that I can't get into -- I think
most Victorian novels are simply 'orrible. Why, some folx don't even
like Shakespeare.

The important thing to keep in mind is not to call something down if you
don't like it. To someone else it might truly *be* important and
meaningful. Don't shortchange their feelings.

Cheers;
Sun-stone, poetical Puma


Sun-stone

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Aug 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/30/98
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Rael wrote:

> I know that
> I personally never really such much meaning in most traditional
> artwork.
> All those abstract paintings and such...99% of them just mean nothing
> to me,
> no matter how much I try to pull something from them.

If I may .... Abstract Expressionism is *not* traditional artwork. Most
of it is a con job done for an elite market by pretenders who can walk
the walk and not talk the talk. It's deliberately designed to be obtuse
and off-putting. Do you know that Motherwell can't even draw? Feh!

Take some time to look at some real art from the Renaissance and 19th
Century Masters. You might really come to like it.

For a skeptic's eye view of modern art see:
http://www.interlog.com/~hugod/
And be charmed by the vitriol of one Mani DeLi!
Don't say I didn't warn ya! =^_^=
(Note: I actually like some of the modernists, like Cezanne, that he
doesn't, but we're pretty united on our dislike of Abstract art.)

Cheers;
Sun-stone, art history Puma


Kimba W. Lion

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Sep 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/3/98
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Sun-stone <umno...@cc.umanitoba.ca> wrote:

>Abstract Expressionism is *not* traditional artwork. Most
>of it is a con job done for an elite market by pretenders who can walk
>the walk and not talk the talk. It's deliberately designed to be obtuse
>and off-putting. Do you know that Motherwell can't even draw? Feh!
>
>Take some time to look at some real art from the Renaissance and 19th
>Century Masters. You might really come to like it.

heh heh... I'll bet you had a fun time with some teachers, too.

Kimba

croqu...@my-dejanews.com

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Sep 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/4/98
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Sun-stone wrote:

>
> If I may .... Abstract Expressionism is *not* traditional artwork. Most


> of it is a con job done for an elite market by pretenders who can walk
> the walk and not talk the talk. It's deliberately designed to be obtuse
> and off-putting. Do you know that Motherwell can't even draw? Feh!

Isn't that, "talk the talk but not walk the walk?" Do they say it different
in Canada? But I totally agree. Public schools just teach you how to BS, not
draw and paint. If you're lucky, you can find a private teacher; if you're
good, you might even induce that teacher to help you.

> For a skeptic's eye view of modern art see:
> http://www.interlog.com/~hugod/
> And be charmed by the vitriol of one Mani DeLi!
> Don't say I didn't warn ya! =^_^=

Funny you should mention Mani. Yes. He's hilarious. Ties the academics up into
apoplectic knots. I've avoided posting to rec.arts.fine 'cause it's such a
flame pit. Also, it wouldn't do any good. For the ones with talent, there's no
stopping 'em, for the ones without, well, there's no helping 'em.

I'm reminded of a favorite Monet quote: When asked why he didn't hang out with
the Parisian artists he said, "Some artists like sit around in cafés and talk
about art. Me? I like to DO art."

And what does that have to do with furry? Or even this thread? I dunno. Think
of it as an reference to the difference between a way of life as a participant
rather than an observer.

Richard Crockett

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Sun-stone

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Sep 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/8/98
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croqu...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> Isn't that, "talk the talk but not walk the walk?" Do they say it
> different
> in Canada?

Errr .... ummmm .... ::sheepishly:: yeah! I just kinda got my words
back-a-ways, side-a-ways, and up-a-side down!

> But I totally agree. Public schools just teach you how to BS, not
> draw and paint. If you're lucky, you can find a private teacher; if
> you're
> good, you might even induce that teacher to help you.

There is some good stuff to be learned at university, but an art school
friend of mine says you have to do a lot of the work yourself You also
have to make it clear that you're one of those rare students who wants
to learn the technique, not hide from it.

> Funny you should mention Mani. Yes. He's hilarious. Ties the academics
> up into
> apoplectic knots. I've avoided posting to rec.arts.fine 'cause it's
> such a
> flame pit. Also, it wouldn't do any good. For the ones with talent,
> there's no
> stopping 'em, for the ones without, well, there's no helping 'em.

Yeah. R.A.F. can be a chore. I've waded in there a few times, but
generally I just lurk when I have time. Mani didn't seem to hate me the
way he dislikes a few others.

Cheers;
Sun-stone, gouache Puma


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