Would I get my vixen, Indra in Heaven?
Drago the Wolf
was first developed, I thought it worked just like in scifi and
cartoons, so I thought that I could have the anthro vixen of my dreams
created through cloning and gene splicing, and I though Indra would
just be grown in in form of an adult, in one of those huge glass
capsules, and I also figured that the scientists would have the
ability to manipulate, alter or engineer Indra's skull and face, to
look like the picture that I want Indra to look like. And of course,
have an adult mind programmed into her brain. Oh, and I would have
begged actress Sandy Duncan to use her DNA for the human half of
Indra, as I would have hoped for Indra to have that "Vixey voice" from
the disney movie "The Fox and the Hound" Damn, I loved that Vixey
voice. So soft and kind sounding.
Well, I talked to a woman for a few years, who supported human
cloning, mannly for organs, (I don't know if anyone here has heard
about the Human Cloning Foundation website, or a Shauna Anderson who
did chats there before she died) because her kidneys were killed by a
strep virus, and Shauna was on dialysis off and on, and had two kidney
transplants, and eventually died in her early 30s, Shuana's Hell
started at age 9, that is when her kidneys were killed.
Anyway, Shauna was somewhat religious (I think more than she let out),
and she treated me like a little brother, and she knew about my love
for Indra, and Shauna always told me that, God will make me happy in
Heaven, and I asked her "If I want Indra in Heaven, to be my forever
soul mate (even though you can't have sex in Heaven, but I'm told you
are so happy in Heaven, that you don't even think about sex, and I
don't even care about sex), anyway would God create Indra to be there
with me forever?" and Shauna did tell me that, if Indra is what it
takes for me to be happy, God will do it for me. I had even asked
Shauna if she though God would wipe my mind clean of any thoughts of
Indra, just thinking I'd be better off thinking about other things,
and Shauna just said to me "No, God won't wipe your mind of Indra or
anything"
So, since I love Indra, and have loved her for close to 15 years or
so, and I'm not really interested in human girls (athough I do like
the looks of human girls, I just don't want the commitment or to have
to spend any time with anyone, exept if Indra were real) I have been
holding out, waiting to die, to hope I could have Indra.
I have had many beautiful dreams of me and Indra together that I
enjoyed. There was one dream, where I died and went to Heaven, and
asked God for Indra, and God told me, in order to get Indra, I must
give up something else, so I gave up my ability to fly (since angels
fly) and God created Indra for me. God also said he would eventually
return my flight ability. After a while in the dream, Hell's forces
started attacking Heaven, and the devil was trying to grab us angels
to pull us into Hell, but there was a higher level of Heaven where
Satan couldn't reach for some reason, so, all of the other angels
(including Indra) flew up to that level, but I tried to and couldn't
fly up there, I had forgotten that I couldn't fly, so, Indra swooped
down, grabbed my hand, and we both flew away to the safe level of
Heaven together. Later on, God returned my flight ability, and that is
about where the dream ended.
However, some other people told me that God would not create Indra for
me, and even if he did, Indra would be like "a gift for everyone in
Heaven" and not just for me.
So, I don't know. I'm still likely going to wait out life, alone,
since I am used to being alone, until I die and maybe get Indra, since
most of humanity is my sworn enemy. Just because I was different,
everyone in school hated me, as do many people out of my classes. I
dropped out of school at age 14, 15 or so, and am now 28 almost 29
years old now, and the pain, as well as the grudge against them still
remains. My mother and grandma tell me to forget about the past, and I
try to, but damn it, I can't stop dreaming about that, and people
wanting me to do something in a dream that I disagree to, so they try
to drug me with needles (I'm scared shitless of needles) so, I just
can't help hating humanity, and not getting with human girls. Every
time I think of a human girl relationship, all of that anger and
hatred of humanity from the past, just turns me off on humans.
I'm sorry that I am repeating a few things again, but some of this is
for new Furs here, but maybe talking to fellow furries can help me out
a bit.
Tom
Epiphany
> Anyway, Shauna was somewhat religious (I think more than she let out),
> and she treated me like a little brother, and she knew about my love
> for Indra, and Shauna always told me that, God will make me happy in
> Heaven, and I asked her "If I want Indra in Heaven, to be my forever
> soul mate (even though you can't have sex in Heaven, but I'm told you
> are so happy in Heaven, that you don't even think about sex, and I
> don't even care about sex), anyway would God create Indra to be there
> with me forever?" and Shauna did tell me that, if Indra is what it
> takes for me to be happy, God will do it for me. I had even asked
> Shauna if she though God would wipe my mind clean of any thoughts of
> Indra, just thinking I'd be better off thinking about other things,
> and Shauna just said to me "No, God won't wipe your mind of Indra or
> anything"
Okay, Drago, my religious philosophy runs to the idea that love is the
ultimate power. So that God can and will create Indra for you. But it
would have to be done properly. Indra cannot just be your slave if she
is to be an independent being. I say there is sex in Heaven, since
making love is part of being loving, but it must be done carefully
because being so intimate ultimately involves total trust and
understanding. Now God can do all this quite properly, but God may also
need to cleanse you of anything evil. That is why Heaven is a good
place: evil is explicitly not allowed.
So to sum up, yes, Drago, there is a Heaven where you get to yiff
(have sex with) your favorite anthrovixen forever. However, God is
*still* fighting Satan, so Heaven is delayed until God wins.
It can also be arranged to be the case that one doesn't even think of
sex in Heaven, but I'm not choosing that option either!
\ | /
-Epiphany- Physicist Frank Tipler explains how Heaven works in
_The_Physics_of_Immortality_, but it is rather technical!
/ | \
Drago the Wolf
>
> Okay, Drago, my religious philosophy runs to the idea that love is the
> ultimate power. So that God can and will create Indra for you. But it
> would have to be done properly. Indra cannot just be your slave if she
> is to be an independent being.
Thats no problem, because, as I've said many times, even if I had
Indra created here on Earth, I would want her to freely choose me, and
be able to go her own way. If she didn't want anything to do with me,
I'd just let her go her own way. Do do not, and have never wanted some
"sex slave" but some jerks I once talked to somewhere said "You would
never let her go. You would have just "paid for a girlfriend" Not
true. I want to be able to have Indra in Heaven, but I don't want some
slave who says "You're absolutely right, darlin'" after everything I
say or do. That is just plain wrong, and I don't want it. But there
were also people who said Indra would despise me for creating her for
a love interest, but I hope Heaven, where you're supposed to be happy,
isn't like that.
>I say there is sex in Heaven, since
> making love is part of being loving, but it must be done carefully
> because being so intimate ultimately involves total trust and
> understanding.
To have sex with Indra in Heaven would be nice, I must admit, I don't
have a whole lot of need for sex if its not allowed. And I wouldn't be
no sloppy pervert about it if sex were allowed in Heaven. Again,
because I have no desire for that.
Now God can do all this quite properly, but God may also
> need to cleanse you of anything evil. That is why Heaven is a good
> place: evil is explicitly not allowed.
Well, as long as my mind is not wiped of certain good things, such as
Indra, I don't care what evil gets erased from me. I have had evil
ideas of world, Heaven, Hell and Purgatory domination, which I'd like
God to wipe from my mind. I want any type of idea of betraying God to
be wiped from my mind in Heaven, because I don't want to be evil, and/
or wind up in Hell.
> So to sum up, yes, Drago, there is a Heaven where you get to yiff
> (have sex with) your favorite anthrovixen forever.
I know what "yiff" means. I'm a lifestyle Furry, for crying out loud.
LoL (-;
>However, God is
> *still* fighting Satan, so Heaven is delayed until God wins.
What do you mean? I know, or at least have been told that there is a
Heaven now. Not something you have to wait for. And Shauna told me
once, that there would be a battle or war, but it would be between
Jesus and Satan, and I asked Shauna, no offense toward God, but
shouldn't he be the one fighting Satan unstead of his son?
> It can also be arranged to be the case that one doesn't even think of
> sex in Heaven, but I'm not choosing that option either!
You mean, you can choose where you never feel like having sex, or if
you choose to want sex in your afterlife, you can choose to? I've
never heard of this. I always heard that sex is like a sin and there
is no sex in Heaven.
Epiphany
> But there
> were also people who said Indra would despise me for creating her for
> a love interest, but I hope Heaven, where you're supposed to be happy,
> isn't like that.
Well, to be a soulmate for you implies to me a being who is idealized
just as you are idealized in Heaven; I don't think she would despise you
for creating her or having God create her especially because she
wouldn't be created to be unhappy.
> Well, as long as my mind is not wiped of certain good things, such as
> Indra, I don't care what evil gets erased from me. I have had evil
> ideas of world, Heaven, Hell and Purgatory domination, which I'd like
> God to wipe from my mind. I want any type of idea of betraying God to
> be wiped from my mind in Heaven, because I don't want to be evil, and/
> or wind up in Hell.
It seems to me like you are quite ready to go to Heaven where God would
explain what your options are as far as residing there.
> I know what "yiff" means. I'm a lifestyle Furry, for crying out loud.
> LoL (-;
Sorry, I didn't want to assume too much.
> What do you mean? I know, or at least have been told that there is a
> Heaven now. Not something you have to wait for. And Shauna told me
> once, that there would be a battle or war, but it would be between
> Jesus and Satan, and I asked Shauna, no offense toward God, but
> shouldn't he be the one fighting Satan unstead of his son?
The thing is there is something about 1) God defeating Satan in this
realm, so that there is Heaven on Earth too and 2) time doesn't have to
be linear in Heaven and that gets confusing for me. I don't understand
the whole relationship between Jesus and Satan as the Bible doesn't
really say as much about Satan as I would expect if Satan is the number
one bad guy.
> You mean, you can choose where you never feel like having sex, or if
> you choose to want sex in your afterlife, you can choose to? I've
> never heard of this. I always heard that sex is like a sin and there
> is no sex in Heaven.
Yes, Heaven is very adjustable, hence it is difficult to say Heaven is a
particular way. I just understand that one can choose Heaven to be a
particular way for oneself. I have never understood why some see sex as
sinful. Perhaps it is because some easily distort ideas of loving into
ideas of power over others. But it doesn't seem like many have that
problem and I say that true love ought to win in the end if anything
wins. But I can see how the idea that there is no sex in Heaven got
started: angels would be "above" sexual relationships so that they would
not be subject to being seduced and mislead by the Deceiver (Satan).
But when Satan is completely defeated, no one need worry about Satan's
corruption. So ultimately, I say there is sex in Heaven.
\ | /
-Epiphany- Omnia superat amor! Love overcomes all!
/ | \
Muke Tever
> I always heard that sex is like a sin and there is no sex in Heaven.
C.S. Lewis wrote in _Mere Christianity_:
>> It is not the thing, nor the pleasure, that is the trouble. The old
>> Christian teachers said that if man had never fallen, sexual pleasure,
>> instead of being less than it is now, would actually have been greater.
>> I know some muddle-headed Christians have talked as if Christianity
>> thought that sex, or the body, or pleasure, were bad in themselves.
>> But they were wrong. Christianity is almost the only one of the great
>> religions which thoroughly approves of the body—which believes that
>> matter is good, that God Himself once took on a human body, that some
>> kind of body is going to be given to us even in Heaven and is going
>> to be an essential part of our happiness, our beauty and our energy.
>> Christianity has glorified marriage more than any other religion: and
>> nearly all the greatest love poetry in the world has been produced by
>> Christians. If anyone says that sex, in itself, is bad, Christianity
>> contradicts him at once.
Sex in itself is not a sinful thing. Like most anything else, the
mindset that you go into it with is what makes it sinful: notice that
the traditional "deadly sins" are sins of character, not of action—
greed, not moneymaking; pride, not accomplishment; lust, not sex.
Selfish sex, reckless sex, rape—those would be sinful.
Physical urges _will_ be different in Paradise, though: having a body
without the imperfections of this world does mean physical urges that
lead only to sin will be gone and the physical urges that may be
expressed sinfully or lawfully will be reduced enough that your mind
will be able to control them appropriately, and in that sense, it
doesn't really matter whether or not there is sex in Heaven—if there
is, you will enjoy it, and if there isn't, you're right, you won't
miss it.
*Muke!
--
http://frath.net/
Drago the Wolf
>
> > What do you mean? I know, or at least have been told that there is a
> > Heaven now. Not something you have to wait for. And Shauna told me
> > once, that there would be a battle or war, but it would be between
> > Jesus and Satan, and I asked Shauna, no offense toward God, but
> > shouldn't he be the one fighting Satan unstead of his son?
>
> The thing is there is something about 1) God defeating Satan in this
> realm, so that there is Heaven on Earth too and 2) time doesn't have to
> be linear in Heaven and that gets confusing for me. I don't understand
> the whole relationship between Jesus and Satan as the Bible doesn't
> really say as much about Satan as I would expect if Satan is the number
> one bad guy.
>
Sorry, I should have made it clearer. I meant by "God fighting Satan,
indtead of his son" I meant that, I thought God would be the one to
fight Satan, not Jesus fighting Satan. I just was told that Jesus will
be the one to fight Satan, but I just figured it made more sense for
God to fight Satan, instead of Jesus fighting Satan.
Drago the Wolf
answer all of them at that momment. I just wanted to make it clear
about the Jesus fighting the devil thing.
>
> Well, to be a soulmate for you implies to me a being who is idealized
> just as you are idealized in Heaven; I don't think she would despise you
> for creating her or having God create her especially because she
> wouldn't be created to be unhappy.
Yeah, but as far as "me" creating her, people dig into that "Bride of
Frankenstein" issue, saying that I'm "trying to create the perfect
mate" only the thoughts of "sex slave" usually comes to their mind,
which I explain, is not true, but not many seem to believe that I'm
not out to get some slave. Although, I do feel as if I want someone
with "the beauty of a fox, yet the understanding of a human" and I
hope thats not a bad thing. But the beauty part isn't the only thing,
as I'd like her to be very sweet and good natured as a person, as
well.
>
>
> It seems to me like you are quite ready to go to Heaven where God would
> explain what your options are as far as residing there.
I'm not ready to die yet, although, if I don't suffer much from
whatever way I die, I really don't mind so much. I'm almost 29, and if
I make it up to 50, 50 years of life would satisfy me, though.
>
> The thing is there is something about 1) God defeating Satan in this
> realm, so that there is Heaven on Earth too and 2) time doesn't have to
> be linear in Heaven and that gets confusing for me. I don't understand
> the whole relationship between Jesus and Satan as the Bible doesn't
> really say as much about Satan as I would expect if Satan is the number
> one bad guy.
Wait. Did you think I was thinking thinking you meant God was going to
fight Jesus, or did I confuse something there? I think I got confused,
which explains my other post about Jesus fighting the devil. I'm
sorry. I got confused.
>
> Yes, Heaven is very adjustable, hence it is difficult to say Heaven is a
> particular way. I just understand that one can choose Heaven to be a
> particular way for oneself.
Wow, that sounds awesome, if it is true. This might sound funny or
stupid, but I actually had a date planned for me and Indra, if we met
in Heaven. I was watching an episode of that Alladin animated series
where the genie meets a female genie, and they go on a date through
space, and they end up by Saturn, and they end up ice skating on
Saturn's rings. Ever since I saw that, I felt that this was something
I would like to do with Indra. Even though we could probably just
teleport right to Saturn, from Heaven (which I am assuming is located
near Earth) I'd much rather take a slow flight that would last at
least a few thousand years throgh space, to get to Saturn, skate
together with Indra on the rings, then maybe go a few more places in
space, and return to Heaven. However, Shauna used to tell me that you
are not allowed beyond the Pearly Gates, so, who knows?
>I have never understood why some see sex as
> sinful. Perhaps it is because some easily distort ideas of loving into
> ideas of power over others. But it doesn't seem like many have that
> problem and I say that true love ought to win in the end if anything
> wins. But I can see how the idea that there is no sex in Heaven got
> started: angels would be "above" sexual relationships so that they would
> not be subject to being seduced and mislead by the Deceiver (Satan).
> But when Satan is completely defeated, no one need worry about Satan's
> corruption. So ultimately, I say there is sex in Heaven.
>
I've never understood why most religious people consider sex or sex
before marrage a sinful act, either, but I know a lot of people
consider sex as "yucky" or "nasty" I told my brother I'll probably die
a virgin, and he just remarked in an unserious way "Well, you'll go to
Heaven" (my brother don't believe in God or religious things)
> \ | /
> -Epiphany- Omnia superat amor! Love overcomes all!
> / | \
One more thing I wanted to mention was, and this is still a bit scary
to me. One time, I was in a chat room, and someone using the name
"GodsOmenz" or something like that, said "Does anyone here, want to
join an army?" and as a joke, I said "I will" (I did not mean it) and
the person said "Enerjak50 (my screen name at the time) you will die
at age 38 of a massive stroke" and I said, "How do you know?" and he
said "My master doesn't like me talking about it" and I said "Who is
your master?" and he said "Satan" So, even though I wasn't serious, I
was always afraid that I had doomed myself, and feel that I will be
holding my breath throughout my 38th to 39th birthday, because of
those words, ten years or so ago. Anyway, my mom just thought it was
some crackhead on the computer, and she told me if I seen the guy on
the computer, to tell them she wants to join "the army" as well, and
the next day, I told him, and the guy called me a "satanist punk" and
I told him, "I thought you were recruiting people to be in Satan's
army" and he said "No. That was some asshole who prirated my account,
and I kicked his ass for it"
Shauna and a lot of other people told me not to listen to this
satanist jerk, and Shauna always told me I am going to Heaven. Plus
they say to accept Jesus and God as your savior, and you are saved,
and I have no problem with God or Jesus now, even though in the past,
when I was a bit messed up in the head and evil, I thought of God as
"the Santa Claus for adults" I have a very good respect of God and
Jesus now. I had also been told that your soul is not yours to sell
anyway. And besides that, even if that jerk thought I was serious, I
was only joking about joining the army . Like I'm going to seriously
join anything without asking any serious questions first.
Epiphany
> Sorry for a second post on these words, but I didn't have time to
> answer all of them at that momment. I just wanted to make it clear
> about the Jesus fighting the devil thing.
Before we get too much further, I just want to say that everyone who
repudiates evil fights the devil, so both God and Jesus fight the devil
since they are good. Other good religious figures also fight the devil.
Even good people who don't believe in the devil also fight the devil
because the devil does not have to be physically present to cause
trouble, as I currently understand the situation.
> Yeah, but as far as "me" creating her, people dig into that "Bride of
> Frankenstein" issue, saying that I'm "trying to create the perfect
> mate" only the thoughts of "sex slave" usually comes to their mind,
> which I explain, is not true, but not many seem to believe that I'm
> not out to get some slave. Although, I do feel as if I want someone
> with "the beauty of a fox, yet the understanding of a human" and I
> hope thats not a bad thing. But the beauty part isn't the only thing,
> as I'd like her to be very sweet and good natured as a person, as
> well.
Your desire isn't quite like Frankenstein because you would have God's
direct help in creating this being, this soulmate. God wouldn't let you
do this harmfully, and if you don't want to mistreat or take advantage
of Indra, you are already on the right path. I don't think it is a bad
thing to ask for someone with "the beauty of a fox, yet the
understanding of a human" and Indra could of course ask God for things
as well. Indra might ask for you to be different in some way and God
could make that possible.
>> Yes, Heaven is very adjustable, hence it is difficult to say Heaven is a
>> particular way. I just understand that one can choose Heaven to be a
>> particular way for oneself.
>
> Wow, that sounds awesome, if it is true. This might sound funny or
> stupid, but I actually had a date planned for me and Indra, if we met
> in Heaven. I was watching an episode of that Alladin animated series
> where the genie meets a female genie, and they go on a date through
> space, and they end up by Saturn, and they end up ice skating on
> Saturn's rings. Ever since I saw that, I felt that this was something
> I would like to do with Indra. Even though we could probably just
> teleport right to Saturn, from Heaven (which I am assuming is located
> near Earth) I'd much rather take a slow flight that would last at
> least a few thousand years throgh space, to get to Saturn, skate
> together with Indra on the rings, then maybe go a few more places in
> space, and return to Heaven. However, Shauna used to tell me that you
> are not allowed beyond the Pearly Gates, so, who knows?
It seems to me that you really know how to have fun in Heaven! :) As
far as not being allowed beyond the Pearly Gates, well I can see that as
a safeguard against evil. But since Heaven doesn't have to be anywhere
specific or contain anything specific, there's nothing that says the
whole solar system couldn't be within the Pearly Gates. So you could
have your date with Indra on Saturn's rings.
> I've never understood why most religious people consider sex or sex
> before marrage a sinful act, either, but I know a lot of people
> consider sex as "yucky" or "nasty" I told my brother I'll probably die
> a virgin, and he just remarked in an unserious way "Well, you'll go to
> Heaven" (my brother don't believe in God or religious things)
I can see sex being seen as "yucky" or "nasty" here on Earth where we
have risks of disease and pregnancy. Making serious love goes quite
beyond a mere carnal act. And I can understand not believing in God,
for God is kinda magical, and where do we find real magic on Earth?
> One more thing I wanted to mention was, and this is still a bit scary
> to me. One time, I was in a chat room, and someone using the name
> "GodsOmenz" or something like that, said "Does anyone here, want to
> join an army?" and as a joke, I said "I will" (I did not mean it) and
> the person said "Enerjak50 (my screen name at the time) you will die
> at age 38 of a massive stroke" and I said, "How do you know?" and he
> said "My master doesn't like me talking about it" and I said "Who is
> your master?" and he said "Satan" So, even though I wasn't serious, I
> was always afraid that I had doomed myself, and feel that I will be
> holding my breath throughout my 38th to 39th birthday, because of
> those words, ten years or so ago.
It is unsettling to have such a dire prophecy. But I wouldn't worry too
much about it. You could have pointed out that Satan is the master of
deceit, so why should GodsOmenz be believed? Or you could have said,
"God determines when I die, not Satan!"
> Shauna and a lot of other people told me not to listen to this
> satanist jerk, and Shauna always told me I am going to Heaven. Plus
> they say to accept Jesus and God as your savior, and you are saved,
> and I have no problem with God or Jesus now, even though in the past,
> when I was a bit messed up in the head and evil, I thought of God as
> "the Santa Claus for adults" I have a very good respect of God and
> Jesus now. I had also been told that your soul is not yours to sell
> anyway. And besides that, even if that jerk thought I was serious, I
> was only joking about joining the army . Like I'm going to seriously
> join anything without asking any serious questions first.
I believe, especially since not everyone believes in Jesus, that to get
into Heaven you have to sincerely admit your errors in life and take
responsibility for them. It is those who "see no wrong" who may be in
serious trouble in the afterlife.
\ | /
-Epiphany- God may be kinda magical and unreal, but I recently realized
there's more to magic than I thought!
/ | \
Drago the Wolf
>
> Your desire isn't quite like Frankenstein because you would have God's
> direct help in creating this being, this soulmate. God wouldn't let you
> do this harmfully, and if you don't want to mistreat or take advantage
> of Indra, you are already on the right path. I don't think it is a bad
> thing to ask for someone with "the beauty of a fox, yet the
> understanding of a human" and Indra could of course ask God for things
> as well. Indra might ask for you to be different in some way and God
> could make that possible.
>
I used to think I'd like to keep my human form forever, but let's say
Indra feels I should be an anthro like her, I'd likely ask God for me
to be mutated into Fang from Gargoyles, as I said, I liked Fang a lot,
and even sort have wanted to be him. I just wouldn't be as much of a
bully as the real Fang. Bullying is a bad thing, so I'd probably just
be a good, pure form of Fang, which I have no problem with.
>
> >> Yes, Heaven is very adjustable, hence it is difficult to say Heaven is a
> >> particular way. I just understand that one can choose Heaven to be a
> >> particular way for oneself.
Sounds cool. I'd like to be able to choose not to have to eat, drink,
breathe, pee, crap, or feel pain. I want to escape that sort of thing.
>
> It seems to me that you really know how to have fun in Heaven! :) As
> far as not being allowed beyond the Pearly Gates, well I can see that as
> a safeguard against evil. But since Heaven doesn't have to be anywhere
> specific or contain anything specific, there's nothing that says the
> whole solar system couldn't be within the Pearly Gates. So you could
> have your date with Indra on Saturn's rings.
I was sort of thinking, at times, that Heaven spans out to the full
universe, but who knows? Anyway, I just love the idea of me and Indra
being alone in space for a couple thousand years or so, while flying
to Saturn. So romantic. At least, to me anyway.
> And I can understand not believing in God,
> for God is kinda magical, and where do we find real magic on Earth?
I always had the theory that, there was magic, witches, sourcerers and
other magical and mythical creatures at one time, maybe before the
dinosaurs, but these magic users abused their powers, so God took the
magic away from them, and that was it for magic, and Shauna told me
that that was pretty much it. I mean, look at how they found actual
Hobbit skeletons burried somewhere. Just a thought.
>
>
> It is unsettling to have such a dire prophecy. But I wouldn't worry too
> much about it. You could have pointed out that Satan is the master of
> deceit, so why should GodsOmenz be believed? Or you could have said,
> "God determines when I die, not Satan!"
I wish I would have thought to say this, as it IS ultimately up to God
to decide my time. Not Satan.
>
> I believe, especially since not everyone believes in Jesus, that to get
> into Heaven you have to sincerely admit your errors in life and take
> responsibility for them. It is those who "see no wrong" who may be in
> serious trouble in the afterlife.
I've done things that I wish I could take back. Getthis though. Before
I met Shauna, I was a very mean and evil person, and one day, on the
computer, I was saying bad things about God, and all of a sudden, the
whole area I was in, started smelling exactly like the funeral home
where my grandfather was laid out. It was scary. Shauna told me that
God probably made the funeral smell as a message to stop doing wrong,
and I've pretty much had a lot of respect for God ever since. Then
there was also a dream I had where I saw Jesus, and in the dream, I
immediately fell to my knees. I told Shauna about the dream, and she
said that it must have been nice to see Jesus, and yes, we do get on
our knees to honor him. I've also had a couple dreams after Shauna
died. There was one dream where I was looking for Shauna, because I
knew she was there somewhere in this place I was in, and I told Shauna
"You abandoned me" and she told me she did not. Then I was telling
her, maybe I'll just let myself die too. Then I was climbing higher
into this place, and I hear this big group of people gently chanting
"Shauna, Shauna, Shauna..." from somewhere and Shauna's voice said
"Listen to me. I'm only going to tell you this one last time" then I
woke up. I wish I would have heard what she wanted to tell me. Other
people I talked to, have said I will know in time, what Shauna was
going to tell me, if I need to. Then there was this other dream I had,
where I was in my first house, me and some other guy were in the half
filled bath tub in underwear (this was nothing gay. It just happened
this way) and this woman appeared, completely naked in between us,
facing the other guy, and I quickly tried to look at her face, but she
disappeared before I could see her face, and I asked the guy "Who was
that?" and he said "Shauna" and then he disappeared, and I said "Show
yourself, Shauna" and she didn't show herself, so I just slowly slid
down into the bath water and said "Okay then. I'm just going to let
myself die too, then" and just as my face got close to under the water
and I was about to drown myself, a phone rang once, and then the voice
mail came on and said "Hello, this is Shauna" and thats how that dream
ended, so my mom and grandma really think Shauna still watches over
me, as a guardian angel of sort.
I'm sorry. I hope I didn't bore you, or get annoying with these
stories.
Epiphany
> I used to think I'd like to keep my human form forever, but let's say
> Indra feels I should be an anthro like her, I'd likely ask God for me
> to be mutated into Fang from Gargoyles, as I said, I liked Fang a lot,
> and even sort have wanted to be him. I just wouldn't be as much of a
> bully as the real Fang. Bullying is a bad thing, so I'd probably just
> be a good, pure form of Fang, which I have no problem with.
I thought you might ask for that as you've said you like Fang before.
I'm sure you'll get to be morphed into a good form of Fang if you ask.
[adjustable Heaven]
> Sounds cool. I'd like to be able to choose not to have to eat, drink,
> breathe, pee, crap, or feel pain. I want to escape that sort of thing.
Wow! You really have thought about things! Escaping those sorts of
things was a revelation for me! Not something I would have ordinarily
associated with being furry, and not something I thought of right away
either.
> I was sort of thinking, at times, that Heaven spans out to the full
> universe, but who knows? Anyway, I just love the idea of me and Indra
> being alone in space for a couple thousand years or so, while flying
> to Saturn. So romantic. At least, to me anyway.
Well, the way I understand it, since God is omnipotent, He or She can
copy the whole universe (and more) into Heaven if desired. That's how
that works. And flying to Saturn for a couple thousand years with one's
beloved does sound very romantic. I hope you get to do it without a lot
of trouble.
> I always had the theory that, there was magic, witches, sourcerers and
> other magical and mythical creatures at one time, maybe before the
> dinosaurs, but these magic users abused their powers, so God took the
> magic away from them, and that was it for magic, and Shauna told me
> that that was pretty much it. I mean, look at how they found actual
> Hobbit skeletons burried somewhere. Just a thought.
They do say that power corrupts, so perhaps God did have to teach some
magic users a lesson. But those "Hobbit" skeletons are called "Hobbit"
because they are diminutive hominids, not because they are Tolkien's
hobbits.
> I've done things that I wish I could take back. Getthis though. Before
> I met Shauna, I was a very mean and evil person, and one day, on the
> computer, I was saying bad things about God, and all of a sudden, the
> whole area I was in, started smelling exactly like the funeral home
> where my grandfather was laid out. It was scary. Shauna told me that
> God probably made the funeral smell as a message to stop doing wrong,
> and I've pretty much had a lot of respect for God ever since.
The thing one has to look out with about God is that God can be
impersonated by Satan. But I'm glad you understand more about good and
evil, for that's what humanity really has to understand, good and evil.
> ...and then the voice
> mail came on and said "Hello, this is Shauna" and thats how that dream
> ended, so my mom and grandma really think Shauna still watches over
> me, as a guardian angel of sort.
Yes, I just know it's hard for such guardians to speak to us clearly
since they would just give us all the answers right away if they could.
> I'm sorry. I hope I didn't bore you, or get annoying with these
> stories.
Don't worry, Drago, you haven't offended me. I've enjoyed hearing you
discuss your feelings and what's important to you because I believe it
is important to talk about such things. You needn't be sorry with me.
\ | /
-Epiphany-
/ | \
Drago the Wolf
>
> I thought you might ask for that as you've said you like Fang before.
> I'm sure you'll get to be morphed into a good form of Fang if you ask.
Yeah, even though I prefer canines to felines, I just really got
attached to wanting to be like Fang. Just not a bully who turns into a
bad guy, though.
>
> [adjustable Heaven]
>
> Wow! You really have thought about things! Escaping those sorts of
> things was a revelation for me! Not something I would have ordinarily
> associated with being furry, and not something I thought of right away
> either.
What are you meaning? Are wishing to escape those thing considered a
bad thing?
>
> Well, the way I understand it, since God is omnipotent, He or She can
> copy the whole universe (and more) into Heaven if desired. That's how
> that works. And flying to Saturn for a couple thousand years with one's
> beloved does sound very romantic. I hope you get to do it without a lot
> of trouble.
>
Well thank you. I like when people understand my desires and wishes,
even if they are weird to others. But one thing, why might I have
trouble flying to Saturn? Are you saying God may object it it?
>
> > I've done things that I wish I could take back. Getthis though. Before
> > I met Shauna, I was a very mean and evil person, and one day, on the
> > computer, I was saying bad things about God, and all of a sudden, the
> > whole area I was in, started smelling exactly like the funeral home
> > where my grandfather was laid out. It was scary. Shauna told me that
> > God probably made the funeral smell as a message to stop doing wrong,
> > and I've pretty much had a lot of respect for God ever since.
>
> The thing one has to look out with about God is that God can be
> impersonated by Satan. But I'm glad you understand more about good and
> evil, for that's what humanity really has to understand, good and evil.
Are you saying Satan could have been the one trying to scare me with
the funeral home smell?
I did have a dream once about going to Hell, and the devils were all
very nice to me, but in the end, I had a choice where I could stay in
Hell, or go to Heaven to be with the rest of the family. I chose to go
to Heaven. But I have also had dreams were God was evil, and tried to
kill me with bolts of lightning from the sky. Shauna told me that
these dreams could be the work of Satan and he is trying to convince
me that I don't want to go to Heaven. I guess Satan was trying to get
me to think that God was the evil one. I don't know.
> Yes, I just know it's hard for such guardians to speak to us clearly
> since they would just give us all the answers right away if they could.
Yeah, but I wish I would have heard what Shauna had to say, but as I
said, maybe some day I will. I'm sure she will be back in my dreams
some day, to help guide me.
> Don't worry, Drago, you haven't offended me. I've enjoyed hearing you
> discuss your feelings and what's important to you because I believe it
> is important to talk about such things. You needn't be sorry with me.
>
Actually, my real name is Tom. Drage the Wolf is an anthro white wolf
who is a villain in the Archie Sonic the Hedgehog comic. Drago was
originall a good guy who turned bad, and for over 10 years that the
series went on, I had hoped that Drago would turn back into a good
guy. I want Drago to be a hero again, so badly that I annoyed the Hell
out of people on certain comic boards about it, and one guy wouldn't
even let me join his boards unless I agreed not to talk about Drago or
villains turning good, which I think was very wrong. I still have high
hopes for Drago turning good though, and I hope he does. Anyway, I
like drago so much that I actually wrote an anthro story where Indra
is my wife, and Drago is my brother, cloned from a mix of arctic white
wolf, and my human DNA, and actually, if I got Indra as my soulmate in
Heaven, I wouldn't mind also having Drago as my brother, however, I'd
be spending much more time with my wife than I would be spending with
my brother, of course.
> \ | /
> -Epiphany-
> / | \
Tom
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Drago the Wolf wrote:
> This might be a stupid topic,
I should have put money on this...
> but for a while, when cloning technology
> was first developed, I thought it worked just like in scifi and
> cartoons, so I thought that I could have the anthro vixen of my dreams
> created through cloning and gene splicing, and I though Indra would
> just be grown in in form of an adult, in one of those huge glass
> capsules, and I also figured that the scientists would have the
> ability to manipulate, alter or engineer Indra's skull and face, to
> look like the picture that I want Indra to look like. And of course,
> have an adult mind programmed into her brain. Oh, and I would have
> begged actress Sandy Duncan to use her DNA for the human half of
> Indra,
ROTFLMAO!
Fucking hilarious!
> as I would have hoped for Indra to have that "Vixey voice" from
> the disney movie "The Fox and the Hound" Damn, I loved that Vixey
> voice. So soft and kind sounding.
>
> Well, I talked to a woman for a few years,
Ok, now you're just Making Stuff Up...
> who supported human
> cloning, mannly for organs, (I don't know if anyone here has heard
> about the Human Cloning Foundation website, or a Shauna Anderson who
> did chats there before she died) because her kidneys were killed by a
> strep virus, and Shauna was on dialysis off and on, and had two kidney
> transplants, and eventually died in her early 30s, Shuana's Hell
> started at age 9, that is when her kidneys were killed.
>
So you're an organ donor, right?
> Anyway, Shauna was somewhat religious (I think more than she let out),
> and she treated me like a little brother, and she knew about my love
> for Indra, and Shauna always told me that, God will make me happy in
> Heaven, and I asked her "If I want Indra in Heaven, to be my forever
> soul mate (even though you can't have sex in Heaven, but I'm told you
> are so happy in Heaven, that you don't even think about sex, and I
> don't even care about sex), anyway would God create Indra to be there
> with me forever?" and Shauna did tell me that, if Indra is what it
> takes for me to be happy, God will do it for me. I had even asked
> Shauna if she though God would wipe my mind clean of any thoughts of
> Indra, just thinking I'd be better off thinking about other things,
> and Shauna just said to me "No, God won't wipe your mind of Indra or
> anything"
>
> So, since I love Indra, and have loved her for close to 15 years or
> so, and I'm not really interested in human girls
Of course not: typical furry.
(athough I do like
> the looks of human girls, I just don't want the commitment or to have
> to spend any time with anyone, exept if Indra were real) I have been
> holding out, waiting to die, to hope I could have Indra.
>
Sure, that must be it.
If you're not practicing writing fantasy fiction, then what you *need* is a bit
of psycotherapy.
HTH
Btw, theres some daft git putting bad drawings of a guy having sex with a fox
on the VCL artist site. Is that your poorly drawn fantasy?
Dude, get help.
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Epiphany
> Yeah, even though I prefer canines to felines, I just really got
> attached to wanting to be like Fang. Just not a bully who turns into a
> bad guy, though.
Yes, canines are popular. Do you prefer any particular canines, like
wolves, say?
>> [adjustable Heaven]
> What are you meaning? Are wishing to escape those thing considered a
> bad thing?
I'm just saying that I didn't originally consider being a furry as being
like a Heavenly creature that didn't have to eat or go to the bathroom.
There definitely is a convenience to not having to do things like those.
> Well thank you. I like when people understand my desires and wishes,
> even if they are weird to others. But one thing, why might I have
> trouble flying to Saturn? Are you saying God may object it it?
No, I'm saying you might have trouble getting to Heaven. Satan loves to
cause trouble for those headed there. I assume you've heard the
expression "The devil is in the details"? Well, there can be a lot of
details! And they can be quite diabolical.
> Are you saying Satan could have been the one trying to scare me with
> the funeral home smell?
I'm saying it's worse than that! Satan tries to make the important look
unimportant and the unimportant look important.
> Shauna told me that
> these dreams could be the work of Satan and he is trying to convince
> me that I don't want to go to Heaven. I guess Satan was trying to get
> me to think that God was the evil one. I don't know.
Right, Satan doesn't *want* you to know. Satan likes it when people are
confused.
> Anyway, I
> like drago so much that I actually wrote an anthro story where Indra
> is my wife, and Drago is my brother, cloned from a mix of arctic white
> wolf, and my human DNA, and actually, if I got Indra as my soulmate in
> Heaven, I wouldn't mind also having Drago as my brother, however, I'd
> be spending much more time with my wife than I would be spending with
> my brother, of course.
You mention your name is Tom. Is Tom the name of your personal furry
like Epiphany is the name of my personal furry? I find it kinda
inconvenient if you call yourself Drago as the sender of your newsposts
when that's not your human or furry name. What is the relationship
between your human and furry selves, Tom? I'm currently working on a
story that explains how my furry and human selves interrelate and it
gets quite involved, so I've avoided trying to explain it piecemeal.
\ | /
-Epiphany-
/ | \
Drago the Wolf
>
> Yes, canines are popular. Do you prefer any particular canines, like
> wolves, say?
Knowing of my love for Indra should tell you that I love foxes the
most (-;. However, I mostly see foxes as "females" even though not all
foxes are female, but if I had to choose to be a canine anthro, I'd
definately choose being a wolf.
>
>
> I'm just saying that I didn't originally consider being a furry as being
> like a Heavenly creature that didn't have to eat or go to the bathroom.
> There definitely is a convenience to not having to do things like those.
Yeah, eating every once in a while would be okay, if you could eat
good food, but without excreting it, or without getting fat if you
don't.
>
> No, I'm saying you might have trouble getting to Heaven. Satan loves to
> cause trouble for those headed there. I assume you've heard the
> expression "The devil is in the details"? Well, there can be a lot of
> details! And they can be quite diabolical.
>
I've never heard the saying about the devil. I have however, always
thought Satan might try to trick me into falling into a trap, by
luring me with a demon shaped as Indra. So, is it hard getting into
Heaven, due to these problems with the devil? And if you fall for the
devil's tricks, are you out of luck, and in Hell forever?
>
> I'm saying it's worse than that! Satan tries to make the important look
> unimportant and the unimportant look important.
>
What kinds of things does Satan try to make look important and other
things not? Now you've got me curious.
>
> Right, Satan doesn't *want* you to know. Satan likes it when people are
> confused.
When I sometimes get mad, I sometimes say and almost feel like I want
to join Satan, and then try to overthrow him, God, and the people of
Earth and purgatory and rule everything in existance. Now, I don't
really "mean" these things, as I never wanted to do anything against
God, but when I get mad, I just get a few minutes of these evil
feelings. Is that Satan trying to confuse me? Like he doesn't want me
to know who's side I want to be on?
>
> You mention your name is Tom. Is Tom the name of your personal furry
> like Epiphany is the name of my personal furry? I find it kinda
> inconvenient if you call yourself Drago as the sender of your newsposts
> when that's not your human or furry name. What is the relationship
> between your human and furry selves, Tom? I'm currently working on a
> story that explains how my furry and human selves interrelate and it
> gets quite involved, so I've avoided trying to explain it piecemeal.
I never really had a Furry side to me as far as form goes. I had
always been a human with a love for anthro girls, until recently, when
humanity started treating me like shit (well, I've always been treated
like shit) , so I started thinking I'd like to shed my human form to
become an anthro. Preferably Fang, as I said, as I just started seeing
myself as Fang, although in the past I felt I was like Drago, who was
a bully that was an abusive, manipulative, selfish, self serving
bully, who only did things for his own gain, and since I turned good,
I wanted Drago to turn good. (Fang and Drago are VERY similar, if you
hadn't guessed) Most fans of the Archie Sonic comic hate Drago with a
passion, I however, felt that I could relate to him, and no one else
understood why I liked Drago so much, until I finally told them that,
"I can relate to Drago" then one person who could not understand my
liking of Drago for the life of them said "That, I can perfectly
understand" Even though I'd always viewed myself as a human, including
in a Furry story I wrote, I renamed myself Canis in that story, just
because of my love for canines. I was however, going to eventually
revert back to my first human name, Tom, but I never made it that far
in the story. Well, I guess since you'd prefer to know what to call
me, since I hate using my real name, Tom, you can either call or refer
to me as Fang, or Drago, although as I said, Drago is more like an
anthro brotherly figure to me. Drago is my anthro wolf brother in the
story, as I said.
Here are some images of Drago, if you haven't seen him. They aren't
the best, as many other pictures of him look awesome:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/12075/356946-46173-drago_large.jpg
(I'd love to have Drago's muscles, however, Fang seems to be built up
just as big as Drago, so, no problem there, I guess (-; )
> \ | /
> -Epiphany-
> / | \
Fang
Epiphany
> Knowing of my love for Indra should tell you that I love foxes the
> most (-;. However, I mostly see foxes as "females" even though not all
> foxes are female, but if I had to choose to be a canine anthro, I'd
> definately choose being a wolf.
I agree that anthro vixens can definitely be alluring. And wolves are
quite interesting too.
> I've never heard the saying about the devil. I have however, always
> thought Satan might try to trick me into falling into a trap, by
> luring me with a demon shaped as Indra. So, is it hard getting into
> Heaven, due to these problems with the devil? And if you fall for the
> devil's tricks, are you out of luck, and in Hell forever?
You are wise to think Satan might give you Indra, only it isn't really
Indra. It's hard to avoid some trick by the devil. I *think* that when
in Hell, it is possible to defeat the devil. But this takes 20,000 to
150,000 years. It's not forever, but you'd be in Hell forever without
the effort. It's in the story I'm slowly writing.
>> I'm saying it's worse than that! Satan tries to make the important look
>> unimportant and the unimportant look important.
>>
>
> What kinds of things does Satan try to make look important and other
> things not? Now you've got me curious.
Well, for example, Satan tries to make God look more important than
Satan. But if Satan is evil incarnate, why don't books like the Bible
talk more, much more about Satan, like how to avoid Satan's tricks and
exactly how God is going to defeat Satan? And Satan wants us to think
free will is important. But if free will means the freedom to choose
good or choose evil, but nobody wants evil, why do we need the freedom
to choose evil? To get to Heaven, all one really has to do is give up
the freedom to choose evil. That's good enough for God. But that's not
good enough for Satan, who keeps us out of Heaven even when we give up
the freedom to choose evil.
> When I sometimes get mad, I sometimes say and almost feel like I want
> to join Satan, and then try to overthrow him, God, and the people of
> Earth and purgatory and rule everything in existance. Now, I don't
> really "mean" these things, as I never wanted to do anything against
> God, but when I get mad, I just get a few minutes of these evil
> feelings. Is that Satan trying to confuse me? Like he doesn't want me
> to know who's side I want to be on?
Satan doesn't want you to know the *truth*. This is particularly
pertinent to not knowing the truth about God, the truth about Satan, or
the truth about everything in existence. I can't help thinking that
when the ultimate deceiver tells you "There's no such thing as an
ultimate deceiver," that's exactly an ultimate deception worthy of the
ultimate deceiver! And if you don't know the truth about yourself,
that's like bonus points for Satan.
> Well, I guess since you'd prefer to know what to call
> me, since I hate using my real name, Tom, you can either call or refer
> to me as Fang, or Drago, although as I said, Drago is more like an
> anthro brotherly figure to me.
Fang it is, then!
> Here are some images of Drago, if you haven't seen him.
[URLs]
Thanks, I appreciate the help of images!
> (I'd love to have Drago's muscles, however, Fang seems to be built up
> just as big as Drago, so, no problem there, I guess (-; )
I like to imagine furries getting what they want; what fun that would be!
\ | /
-Epiphany-
/ | \
Epiphany
> On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:28:38 -0500, Epiphany <epip...@mailaka.net>
> declaimed the following in alt.lifestyle.furry:
>
>> Well, for example, Satan tries to make God look more important than
>> Satan. But if Satan is evil incarnate, why don't books like the Bible
>> talk more, much more about Satan, like how to avoid Satan's tricks and
>
> of subject -- some of the later authors retell earlier events), you will
> find that the earliest references to "Satan" do not make him an
> independent being.
I use the New International Version of the Bible, which doesn't
translate anything in Numbers chapter 22 as "satan".
> In the
> Book of Job, the being called "Satan" is, in essence, working as what
> the legal system would call a "prosecuting attorney" (that is, working
> for the government/"God", to present cases against people) -- he states
> that even Job, a paragon of good, can succumb to evil IF "Satan" is
> permitted to do the job... "God" grants "Satan" the permission to try --
> "Satan" is not a free agent; he's working under "God"s
> permission/management.
I don't think people who do evil ultimately need "prosecution" like
courts of law provide. I interpret Satan as being responsible for *all*
evil, like the affliction of chronic pain. Tell me, please, what is the
prosecutorial value of chronic pain.
> It is only in the works authored later that "Satan" is shown as an
> independent agent working in opposition to "God"... The progression is
> sort of a response to "If 'God' is so good, how could he do
> such-and-such... There must be someone else opposing him!" (In the
> earliest books, "God" himself makes demands that would be considered
> evil in later societies...
I subscribe to the assertion that there is opposition to God. If, to
quote the Belinda Carlisle song, "They say in Heaven, love comes first,"
and God has love perfect existence in Heaven, this our terrestrial
realm cannot be run by God as perfect love seeks to correct our lack of
love here. So here Satan must oppose love. Yes, I don't think any book
is the last word on morality and beings honored with the title "God"
have not necessarily been truly moral. This again is because this
reality is run by an immoral being, so many here, human or deity, can
become immoral.
> The concept of an opposition entity sort of oozes into the judaic
> writings about the same time the Hebrews encounter the Persians -- where
> Zoroastrianism had already had a duality between good and evil:
Again, I say there *must* be VAST opposition between omnipotent Good and
omnipotent Evil. If Evil were not also omnipotent, Good would triumph
immediately. And there must be opposition since if we say Good is like
an incorruptible police officer, such an officer could not abide knowing
of a corrupt police officer or he or she would not remain incorruptible.
\ | /
-Epiphany-
/ | \
Drago the Wolf
>
> I agree that anthro vixens can definitely be alluring. And wolves are
> quite interesting too.
Yeah, fox kind of makes me think "vixen" while wolf makes me think
"wolf man".
>
> You are wise to think Satan might give you Indra, only it isn't really
> Indra. It's hard to avoid some trick by the devil. I *think* that when
> in Hell, it is possible to defeat the devil. But this takes 20,000 to
> 150,000 years. It's not forever, but you'd be in Hell forever without
> the effort. It's in the story I'm slowly writing.
So, there is a chance you can get out of Hell? I never heard of its,
but no pun intended, fighting Satan that long, would BE Hell, but
definately worth it, even taking that long to defeat him and get out
of Hell.
> Well, for example, Satan tries to make God look more important than
> Satan. But if Satan is evil incarnate, why don't books like the Bible
> talk more, much more about Satan, like how to avoid Satan's tricks and
> exactly how God is going to defeat Satan? And Satan wants us to think
> free will is important. But if free will means the freedom to choose
> good or choose evil, but nobody wants evil, why do we need the freedom
> to choose evil? To get to Heaven, all one really has to do is give up
> the freedom to choose evil. That's good enough for God. But that's not
> good enough for Satan, who keeps us out of Heaven even when we give up
> the freedom to choose evil.
I used to choose being evil. I wanted to be some animal rights
extremist who killed animal abusers, and showed no mercy, until I
found out what animal rights people were really like, plus, although I
have many enemies I'd love to take revenge on, for others, I feel its
is God's job to judge. I have lobg since, chosen to be good, even
though I have the ocassional evil feeling when I get mad at people.
The evil thoughts do not last even an hour though. I'm lucky if they
last half an hour. Lucky in a bad way, that is.
>
>
> Satan doesn't want you to know the *truth*. This is particularly
> pertinent to not knowing the truth about God, the truth about Satan, or
> the truth about everything in existence. I can't help thinking that
> when the ultimate deceiver tells you "There's no such thing as an
> ultimate deceiver," that's exactly an ultimate deception worthy of the
> ultimate deceiver! And if you don't know the truth about yourself,
> that's like bonus points for Satan.
So are you saying its bad news, that I sometimes am evil, or am not
sure of myself? I sometimes quote Mewtwo from Pokemon where he says
"Why am I here? What is my purpose?" when I feel that I don't have a
point in life.
>
> Fang it is, then!
Cool. I like the sound of that already.
>
> Thanks, I appreciate the help of images!
Yeah, Drago is awesome, isn't he?
>
> I like to imagine furries getting what they want; what fun that would be!
By imagining, you mean you like to think about what "is" going to
happen, or just, what "might" happen? Sorry, got a little confused
there.
>
> \ | /
> -Epiphany-
> / | \
Fang
Epiphany
> Yeah, fox kind of makes me think "vixen" while wolf makes me think
> "wolf man".
That reminds me of when I was growing up and thought all dogs were male
and all cats were female. It's just one of those misconceptions that's
understandably converted into a connotation.
> So, there is a chance you can get out of Hell? I never heard of its,
> but no pun intended, fighting Satan that long, would BE Hell, but
> definately worth it, even taking that long to defeat him and get out
> of Hell.
Yes, one can be compelled to do what it takes to stop Hell, even if it
takes a long time. People don't realize that our terrestrial existence
is actually a level of Hell because Satan is in charge of Earth.
> I used to choose being evil. I wanted to be some animal rights
> extremist who killed animal abusers, and showed no mercy, until I
> found out what animal rights people were really like, plus, although I
> have many enemies I'd love to take revenge on, for others, I feel its
> is God's job to judge. I have lobg since, chosen to be good, even
> though I have the ocassional evil feeling when I get mad at people.
> The evil thoughts do not last even an hour though. I'm lucky if they
> last half an hour. Lucky in a bad way, that is.
I'm glad you stopped choosing evil, Fang.
> So are you saying its bad news, that I sometimes am evil, or am not
> sure of myself? I sometimes quote Mewtwo from Pokemon where he says
> "Why am I here? What is my purpose?" when I feel that I don't have a
> point in life.
Yes, it is bad news. Satan doesn't care if we feel our existences are
pointless. Satan probably smiles when we suffer. But we can still work
for love and truth and goodness to pitch in for the ultimate defeat of
Satan. We can know God is unhappy when people suffer with difficult
problems. God will help us find purpose if we seek such an answer.
> Yeah, Drago is awesome, isn't he?
Well, he's a good-looking wolf furry. But my individual tastes don't
favor wolves, though I must emphasize that's just my fursonal preference!
>> I like to imagine furries getting what they want; what fun that would be!
>
> By imagining, you mean you like to think about what "is" going to
> happen, or just, what "might" happen? Sorry, got a little confused
> there.
Well, right now it is what might happen, though it "is" going to happen
in Heaven.
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-Epiphany-
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