a little off furry, but just wondering about Wicca
Robin91783
Paul Harvey reported that a girl in a Baltimore City school was suspended for
casting a spell & being a witch - that isn't quite what happened, actually -
apparently a high school girl (9th grade) became_ hysterical_ when somebody
_told_ her that a spell was cast on her (it wasn't the girl that is the witch
that told her that). The girl said she didn't believe in witchcraft, but she
was so_upset_, nobody in the school could understand what she was talking
about..
the girl (witch) that had allegedly cast the spell said she would never do
that, because the principles of Wicca dictate that whatever you do, good or
evil, returns to you threefold...I know very little about Wicca, but I thought
this was interesting, because it related to the idea of karma* & other
religions ("Do unto others as you would have them do unto you").
so I'm curious - what are the principles of Wicca? According to a talk show
guest, the Wiccans celebrate 8 holidays a year but they didn't elaborate on the
holidays...any fur that's versed in Wicca & feels like discussing it, please,
enlighten me....and is the Wiccan separate from the furry or do they complement
each other?
Robin, thinking the hysterical girl is something that rhymes with "witch"
"WAG THE DOG"
Farlo
>I know very little about Wicca,
Neither do I...
>Robin, thinking the hysterical girl is something that rhymes with "witch"
*noddles* It's sad, too.
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Well, give me a couple of days, and I'll get you a list of things, Robin.
Basically, the main tentant is 'An it harm none, do what thou will, in
perfect love and in perfect trust.' The harm includes one's own self. So
the three-fold law is a corallary (sp?) of the main rule. Those two tend to
cover -almost- the whole shebang. So if someone wants to 'get back at'
someone else, they need to think of what will come back to them also. Far
too many don't think. Then wonder why their life is going to hades in a
handbasket of a sudden. Which is why I get twitchy when kids dabble in
this sort of thing. They really don't know what it is they're doing and
then have to deal with a whole sh**-load of bad things happening to them.
Many continue to blame others for their sudden misfortunes and keep on
'getting back at' those caught in the line of sights.
As for whether they blend? Yes they can. Quite well, I might add. <G>
Getting into how the world works brings you closer to Nature and that can
help one feel all the more furry. Hope this helps clarify things... -Walk
in Balance
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SCA: Lady Aelfreda O'Llyn Ewig
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David Formosa
[...]
>Robin, thinking the hysterical girl is something that rhymes with "witch"
I have known some wonderfull bitches, I think its a shame that word is
used for such peaple.
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> Paul Harvey reported that a girl in a Baltimore City school was suspended for
> casting a spell & being a witch - that isn't quite what happened, actually -
> apparently a high school girl (9th grade) became_ hysterical_ when somebody
> _told_ her that a spell was cast on her (it wasn't the girl that is the witch
> that told her that). The girl said she didn't believe in witchcraft, but she
> was so_upset_, nobody in the school could understand what she was talking
> about..
*great rolling of eyes* It's Halloween season and all the LOONIES are out
again... I feel sorry for my wiccan friends this time of the year.
> the girl (witch) that had allegedly cast the spell said she would never do
> that, because the principles of Wicca dictate that whatever you do, good or
> evil, returns to you threefold...I know very little about Wicca, but I thought
> this was interesting, because it related to the idea of karma* & other
> religions ("Do unto others as you would have them do unto you").
As was previously mentioned, yes -- it's related, so is "What goes around,
comes around" and "Do unto others as thou wilt have done to you". These
themes have been around a long time and have even done lots of good when
they're remembered.
I am not wiccan although I know some of their tennants, so I'd rather have a
practitioner give you details of their faith. What I can say is that _many_
of the pagan/wiccan/shaman practices dovetail with furry very nicely because
they all hold to the tenants that man is not above nature but is a part of
nature...
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Tim Gadd
>In <19981022225241...@ngol07.aol.com> robin...@aol.com (Robin91783) writes:
>[...]
>>Robin, thinking the hysterical girl is something that rhymes with "witch"
>I have known some wonderfull bitches, I think its a shame that word is
>used for such peaple.
Unfortunately my thesis supervisor believes that 'bitch' is the worst
possible thing that a person can call a woman. I say unforunately,
because as my thesis was about human-canine crossover texts, in which
ideas of humans and dogs, particularly women and dogs, were conflated,
she naturally found the material in the thesis offensive. In fact, I
think I can safely say that the entire academic staff of the english
dept are effectively anti-furry, which doesn't give me great hopes of
a sympathetic hearing (I was warned to change the woman-dog quotes
because they might alienate the examiners. It weirds me profoundly
that these are quotes from books which ar edirected at a general
audience, and freely sold, and no-one says boo, but I _quote_ them,
and in the context of trying to prove an argument that the material is
potentially shocking, and academics get upset with _me_ for proving my
own argument.) Ah well, it probably doesn;t matter. The other good
news is that I went 5,500 words over limit, which I had been led to
believe would not be a problem, but it turns out it might be a big
enough problem to get me a failure. Well, irony is my life, as I
always say. Never thought I'd be failed for working too hard...
Sorry, that had nothing to do with Wicca, did it.
Kimba W. Lion
>Never thought I'd be failed for working too hard...
>
>Sorry, that had nothing to do with Wicca, did it.
Well, maybe the Wiccan belief that what you do returns to you 3-fold will
hold true and something will come of you pouring so much of yourself into
that essay even if it isn't what you had intended.
Kimba
Sidhain
>
>Well, give me a couple of days, and I'll get you a list of things, Robin.
>Basically, the main tentant is 'An it harm none, do what thou will, in
>perfect love and in perfect trust.' The harm includes one's own self. So
>the three-fold law is a corallary (sp?) of the main rule. Those two tend to
>cover -almost- the whole shebang. So if someone wants to 'get back at'
>someone else, they need to think of what will come back to them also. Far
>too many don't think. Then wonder why their life is going to hades in a
>handbasket of a sudden. Which is why I get twitchy when kids dabble in
>this sort of thing. They really don't know what it is they're doing and
>then have to deal with a whole sh**-load of bad things happening to them.
>Many continue to blame others for their sudden misfortunes and keep on
>'getting back at' those caught in the line of sights.
>
>As for whether they blend? Yes they can. Quite well, I might add. <G>
>Getting into how the world works brings you closer to Nature and that can
>help one feel all the more furry. Hope this helps clarify things... -Walk
>in Balance
>
>Ambergold Wolfeyes
>SCA: Lady Aelfreda O'Llyn Ewig
The largest problem is not Wicca but rather Mr Anton Levey, (levay?) and his
'satanic' witch concept. Carrying on on the 'Great Beast' concept of
Aleister Crowely a sick sad little man who died none too soon back in the
early part of this century.
And the reason children fall into these religons (Wicca) and false
beleifs(LEvey's pseudo religon)
Is part the rebellion of youth and art because it gives them a sense of
power, usually through fear over their parents and sometimes peers.
I
Locandez
I heard this on the news today; it was the subject of one of those 'phone
up the radio stations and suggest a topical record' challenges. It lodged in
my mind because I knew Kimba and Robin were from Baltimore :)
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>
> (I was warned to change the woman-dog quotes
> because they might alienate the examiners. It weirds me profoundly
> that these are quotes from books which ar edirected at a general
> audience, and freely sold, and no-one says boo, but I _quote_ them,
> and in the context of trying to prove an argument that the material is
> potentially shocking, and academics get upset with _me_ for proving my
> own argument.)
Academicians generally have no appreciation for art. Or irony.
> Ah well, it probably doesn;t matter. The other good
> news is that I went 5,500 words over limit, which I had been led to
> believe would not be a problem, but it turns out it might be a big
> enough problem to get me a failure. Well, irony is my life, as I
> always say. Never thought I'd be failed for working too hard...
It's not that you worked too hard, I would guess. Rather, you didn't
tell them anything they wanted to hear.
-Flicker
Lucas
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> dfor...@zeta.org.au (David Formosa) wrote:
> enough problem to get me a failure. Well, irony is my life, as I
> always say. Never thought I'd be failed for working too hard...
I can *still* remember when I was in 3rd grade, and we had to do a
"project" that showed that we understood the difference between a "want"
and a "need".
I was supposed to put cut out magazine pictures of food, shelter, and
clothing on the needs half of a piece of construction paper, and then
examples of "wants" on the other half of it.
So, I put the three required things in the "need" half and then I pasted a
picture of the earth under the need section as well. So, as you can
imagine I thought that I was being quite clever, and as you probably
guessed, the teacher thought nothing of the sort.
I was pretty irritated to get my paper back and find that it had received
a "C" as a grade. I tried to explain my reasoning to her but she wouldn't
hear of it. :/
I wonder if her and my old second grade teacher didn't have a big leather
bound book labeled "Lesson Plans" sitting on a candle lit altar at home.
;)
Flicker
>
> additional ponderings: I don't know if it's common in other areas, _but_ this
> area it seems common to have the school close to a graveyard. my junior high
> was right across the street from one, the "teen witch's" school has the
> graveyard right across from them & even the cubs school has a graveyard next to
> it. is that a Baltimore thing or what?
That seems to be common to the older incorporated cities. I would guess
that's because all the city land was initially one plot and they divvied
it up for whatever public buildings/facilities were deemed necessary.
Or it might be that people who build big cities have a sick sense of
humor.
-Flicker, Mad Coyote
WolfenRose
It's a form of paganism(though, of a different path), the wiccan idea(and
creed) is "an with harm to none, do as ye will" and one of the ideas which was
mentioned in your' post about how anytyhing you do returns to you treefold is
true ^,,^...um, wasn't sure what ya wanted to know so I just thought I'd add me
2cents in
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In article <na.b0af8a4899...@argonet.co.uk>, Locandez
<tqo...@argonet.co.uk> writes:
> I heard this on the news today; it was the subject of one of those 'phone
>up the radio stations and suggest a topical record' challenges. It lodged in
>my mind because I knew Kimba and Robin were from Baltimore :)
>
>
:) yep & I bet you thought "no, wait, they have _male_cubs_"...
according to the news reports around here, some girls were standing around some
rocks, writing names on them with white ink (the correction pen, I imagine) &
somebody wrote "is death a virtue of life" on the rock that had the
(hysterical) girl's' name on it...so of course, somebody had to run & tell the
girl that something bad was going to happen to her (a girl in the "teen witch"
group)...and, as she put it , "I spazzed out". She returned to school wearing a
silver crucifix (I thought it was silver for werewolves, but what do I
know?)...
I don't know the teen witch, the last name is familiar to me, so it's possible
I may know her mother or aunt or something...
but in one way it's good for the girl, providing she can find a school where
she hasn't been heard of - the school she did attend is known as "dummy's
paradise" by other high schoolers....
Robin, who had a sister who was registered to attend that school....
additional ponderings: I don't know if it's common in other areas, _but_ this
area it seems common to have the school close to a graveyard. my junior high
was right across the street from one, the "teen witch's" school has the
graveyard right across from them & even the cubs school has a graveyard next to
it. is that a Baltimore thing or what?
"WAG THE DOG"
Atara
> additional ponderings: I don't know if it's common in other areas, _but_ this
> area it seems common to have the school close to a graveyard.
My high school was across the street from the only cemetary in town. My
11th grade english teacher was fond of saying, "If you don't do your
homework, you'll end up stupid when you die. *points in direction of
cememtary* And the folks over there don't like stupid people."
He was a little odd... ;)
--
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in a pagan soul..." -Rush
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Locandez
robin...@aol.com (Robin91783) wrote:
>> I heard this on the news today; it was the subject of one of those 'phone
>>up the radio stations and suggest a topical record' challenges. It lodged
>>in my mind because I knew Kimba and Robin were from Baltimore :)
>
>:) yep & I bet you thought "no, wait, they have _male_cubs_"...
>
>according to the news reports around here, some girls were standing around
>some rocks, writing names on them with white ink (the correction pen, I
>imagine)
*nod* The Tippex pen is the traditional Wicca curse dispenser...
>somebody wrote "is death a virtue of life" on the rock that had the
>(hysterical) girl's' name on it...so of course, somebody had to run & tell
>the girl that something bad was going to happen to her (a girl in the "teen
>witch" group)...and, as she put it , "I spazzed out".
LOL! This has the makings of an Onion article :)
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>
> so I'm curious - what are the principles of Wicca? According to a talk show
> guest, the Wiccans celebrate 8 holidays a year but they didn't elaborate on the
> holidays...any fur that's versed in Wicca & feels like discussing it, please,
> enlighten me....and is the Wiccan separate from the furry or do they complement
> each other?
>
Gee, sounds like three hysterical girls who started something big a few
centuries ago!
The problem with understanding Wicca is the many forms it takes.
Christianity, of course, has colored it in a two millenia campaign to
suppress and eliminate it and it's what many today believe witches and
witchcraft represent. The other side of the coin is what the religion is
to wiccans. It's a lot like christianity; it has evolved and adapted
over the centuries as to be barely recognizable for what it originally
was. It has diversified into many subcults each with their own veiw as
to what is and isn't.
I can't remember what US cable station presented it, either Discovery or
The Learning Channel, but there was a Halloween presentation about the
historical facts behind witches and witchcraft. Mostly, it described the
horrendous treatment of women, who aided their communities, by a
religion usurping power at all levels of society. You get to understand
the more recent origins of christian/wiccan animosity. I hope they run
it again this year!
As to wicca and furry complimenting each other. Yes it can. Again, it
has many facets but wicca is a much more nature oriented religion. As
for the eight holidays... I couldn't find my very old copies of the
Witches' Almanac but I *guess* at the two solostices and two equinoxes,
the Roodmas on Feburary second, the Beltane... Sorry, that's it for me.
If I find my almanacs,before someone else beats me to it, I'll be more
accurate.
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Skytech
^^
<@@>
./
Skytech
>
> Which is why I get twitchy when kids dabble in
> this sort of thing. They really don't know what it is they're doing and
> then have to deal with a whole sh**-load of bad things happening to them.
> Many continue to blame others for their sudden misfortunes and keep on
> 'getting back at' those caught in the line of sights.
>
They get in trouble for messing with 'witchcraft' then blame it on
Dungeons and Dragons, which is linked to Satanism, which is... you get
the circle!
--
La kashigada vulpo
Skytech
^^
<-->
./
Skytech
>
> Is part the rebellion of youth and art because it gives them a sense of
> power, usually through fear over their parents and sometimes peers.
>
Explains Young Republicans...
--
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Skytech
^^
<-->
.D
Skytech
>
> So, I put the three required things in the "need" half and then I pasted a
> picture of the earth under the need section as well. So, as you can
> imagine I thought that I was being quite clever, and as you probably
> guessed, the teacher thought nothing of the sort.
>
> I was pretty irritated to get my paper back and find that it had received
> a "C" as a grade. I tried to explain my reasoning to her but she wouldn't
> hear of it. :/
>
> I wonder if her and my old second grade teacher didn't have a big leather
> bound book labeled "Lesson Plans" sitting on a candle lit altar at home.
> ;)
Sounds soo familiar.
A high school teacher seem to have it in for me. I wrote a twenty type
written page scifi short story. N grade. He expected everyone, at most,
would do six. Mine was the only one he lost. I was accused of plagerism
when I didn't. He wouldn't listen to my side. Failed. I applied for a
special Creative Writing class. He flatly said I had no talent and would
speak against my admission.
Probably a bug from Men in Black.
--
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Skytech
^^
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Kimba W. Lion
>As for the eight holidays... I couldn't find my very old copies of the
>Witches' Almanac but I *guess* at the two solostices and two equinoxes,
>the Roodmas on Feburary second, the Beltane... Sorry, that's it for me.
>If I find my almanacs,before someone else beats me to it, I'll be more
>accurate.
Gee, I'm surprised I'm the one to post this...
"Wiccans celebrate eight festivals, called "Sabbats," as a
means of attunement to the seasonal rhythms of Nature. These are
January 31 (Called Oimelc, Brigit, or February Eve), March 21
(Ostara or Spring Equinox), April 30 (Beltane or May Eve), June
22 (Midsummer, Litha or Summer Solstice), July 31 (Lunasa or
Lammas), September 21 (Harvest, Mabon or Autumn Equinox), October
31 (Samhain, Sowyn or Hallows), and December 21 (Yule or Winter
Solstice.) Some groups find meetings within a few days of those
dates to be acceptable, others require the precise date. In
addition, most groups will meet for worship at each Full Moon,
and many will also meet on the New Moon."
from the USAF Chaplains' Handbook.
Barbarian
Skytech <sky...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>They get in trouble for messing with 'witchcraft' then blame it on
>Dungeons and Dragons, which is linked to Satanism, which is... you get
>the circle!
Actually that's always been one of the most amusing vicious circles to me.
The teens of these rabidly Paulian "Christians" rebel against their
parents by becoming "Satanists". Of course where does their information
on what Satanists do come from? Their parents and church, of course. The
parents can then go down their checklist of satanic activity and confirm
that their ideas are true.
Sure makes me laugh. (Except for how this reflects on real Satanists, of
course.
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Robin91783 <robin...@aol.com> wrote:
>that told her that). The girl said she didn't believe in witchcraft, but she
>was so_upset_, nobody in the school could understand what she was talking
She didn't believe in witchcraft, yet was completely distraught when she
thought someone had cast a spell on her. Ah, yeah.
>evil, returns to you threefold...I know very little about Wicca, but I thought
>this was interesting, because it related to the idea of karma* & other
>religions ("Do unto others as you would have them do unto you").
It's a common and very practical idea among many of the worlds better
religions.
>so I'm curious - what are the principles of Wicca? According to a talk show
>guest, the Wiccans celebrate 8 holidays a year but they didn't elaborate on the
>holidays...any fur that's versed in Wicca & feels like discussing it, please,
>enlighten me....and is the Wiccan separate from the furry or do they complement
>each other?
Others have done a quite good job of describing the Rede and the threefold
law, so I'll just touch on the basic Sabbats. I don't really consider
myself Wiccan, but I celebrate the same Holidays. Not everyone celebrates
all eight and the dates are usually aproximate. (They're also considered
to run from sundown to sundown.) Names also tend to vary a bit - I'm
listing what I usually call them and when I celebrate them.
Samhain - Oct 31 (New Years, Death of the god, Last harvest.)
Yule - Dec 21 (Winter Solstice, Rebirth of the god)
Imbolg - Feb 1 (The warming of the earth)
Ostara - Mar 21 (Spring Equinox, rebirth of the land.)
Beltaine - May 1 (Fertility.)
Midsummer - Jun 21 (Summer Solstice.)
Lammas - Aug 1 (First harvest.)
Mabon - Sep 21 (Fall Equinox, Second harvest.)
A good book for anyone interested is "The Sabbats" by Edain McCoy.
Wicca belief should be very furry-friendly, but I wouldn't say that every
Wiccan would be. I've met Wiccans who could be every bit bigoted against
people who were different as any other random group you care to name.
Barbarian
>*great rolling of eyes* It's Halloween season and all the LOONIES are out
>again... I feel sorry for my wiccan friends this time of the year.
No kidding! Especially since Wicca seems to be the most well known Pagan
religion to the loonies. About two weeks ago we were camping up in the UP
of Michigan. One evening we were driving into the local town to pick up
some supplies and we found this very distrubing radio program on one of
the (3 or 4) radio stations we could pick up. (They claimed to be a
Christian station, but I have my doubts.) Basically, they'd latched onto
Wicca as the current source of Evil and were going on about the lies that
witches tell and the immorality that goes on at Covens and the 'immoral
clothing' and body piercing, etc. It was rather interesting in a
train-wreck kind of way.
The clincher of course was how Witches want YOUR children. Sigh. As many
cases as I've heard of where children were taken away from their parents
for what amounts to not being Christian - gee, who wants whos children?
Of course the claim that THEY want YOUR children is always a good one to
throw your followers into a frenzy. It's been leveled at gays, blacks,
feminists and every enemy any army has ever fought. I'm sure it would be
thrown at Furs if someone wanted to come after us.
(Ah, my apologies to the real Christians who read this. I know that those
folks aren't true representives of your faith.)
I've also heard a fairly short 'discussion' segment on our local talk
radio station, but even though one of the hosts was a complete idiot about
it at least he wasn't spreading that kind of crap around. He was more of
the 'but it's weird!' variety. I couldn't help but wonder if he'd have
the same kind of reaction to a Hindu or a Buddist.
Cerulean
>from the USAF Chaplains' Handbook.
Wow, the Armed Forces recognise Wicca? I have to say I'm very
surprised it isn't one of those "un-American" things that'll get you
kicked out...
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>
> In article <3631E347...@ix.netcom.com>,
> Skytech <sky...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >They get in trouble for messing with 'witchcraft' then blame it on
> >Dungeons and Dragons, which is linked to Satanism, which is... you get
> >the circle!
>
> Actually that's always been one of the most amusing vicious circles to me.
> The teens of these rabidly Paulian "Christians" rebel against their
> parents by becoming "Satanists". Of course where does their information
> on what Satanists do come from? Their parents and church, of course. The
> parents can then go down their checklist of satanic activity and confirm
> that their ideas are true.
>
> Sure makes me laugh. (Except for how this reflects on real Satanists, of
> course.
>
HEY! A voice not heard here in a *very* long time. Welcome back,
m'friend!! Gonna stay 'round these parts a little more often now? Hope
so. <G> -Walk in Balance
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>
> brba...@xochi.tezcat.com (Barbarian) wrote:
>
> >Samhain - Oct 31 (New Years, Death of the god, Last harvest.)
> >Yule - Dec 21 (Winter Solstice, Rebirth of the god)
> >Imbolg - Feb 1 (The warming of the earth)
> >Ostara - Mar 21 (Spring Equinox, rebirth of the land.)
> >Beltaine - May 1 (Fertility.)
> >Midsummer - Jun 21 (Summer Solstice.)
> >Lammas - Aug 1 (First harvest.)
> >Mabon - Sep 21 (Fall Equinox, Second harvest.)
>
Yes and no, Tim. From what I've heard, they get flipped around to match
your own weather patterns for the year. Yule would be the Midsummer fest.
The equinoxes would be flipped one for the other and the cross-quarter
dates also. Give that a try. -Walk in Balance
Tim Gadd
Tim Gadd
>Yes and no, Tim. From what I've heard, they get flipped around to match
>your own weather patterns for the year. Yule would be the Midsummer fest.
>The equinoxes would be flipped one for the other and the cross-quarter
>dates also. Give that a try. -Walk in Balance
I used to observe the vernal equinox, back when I was living with a
guy called Werner. I figured the vernal equinox was when Werner spent
the same amount of time in bed as out of bed. Of course back then I
used to get up at 6.13 every morning. Nowadays that's more like my
bedtime...
khr...@my-dejanews.com
> Quoth Kimba...@aol.com (Kimba W. Lion):
> >from the USAF Chaplains' Handbook.
>
> Wow, the Armed Forces recognise Wicca? I have to say I'm very
> surprised it isn't one of those "un-American" things that'll get you
> kicked out...
Actually, no. Remember that one of the biggest tennants of America is the
concept of a separation between church and state. At the government-level,
there should be _no_ judgement upon your chosen faith in regard to your
duties to the country.
I suspect that's partially why gender-preference is a touchy subject in the
military... the bigots have to vent at _someone_. :/
I wouldn't be surprised if the Chaplain's handbook even has at least a
footnote of information about Satanists, as well. After all, they _are_ a
Christian sect.
-- ermine
MegaDog the Nettweiler
writes
>I wouldn't be surprised if the Chaplain's handbook even has at least a
>footnote of information about Satanists, as well. After all, they _are_ a
>Christian sect.
ISTR reading somewhere that "Satanist" "Wiccan" "pagan" etc.
are all acceptable faiths to declare when signing up to serve
with the US Military. (Don't have the appropriate URL to
confirm this though).
Must admit, whenever i'm asked for my religion, I tend to put
something like "Evangelistic atheist", if only to confuse the
people who asked!
--
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"With its' diet of keycaps, mouse-balls and Ethernet terminators, the
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Barbarian
D. Jean Cooper <dco...@diespammage.inav.net> wrote:
>HEY! A voice not heard here in a *very* long time. Welcome back,
>m'friend!! Gonna stay 'round these parts a little more often now? Hope
>so. <G> -Walk in Balance
It was a very busy summer / early fall! Between cons, client jobs,
RenFaire and various visits / camping trips I just haven't had time to do
all that much online. I did periodically get a chance to stick my nose
into alf and sniff around a bit, but knew I didn't have time to get into a
real discussion. Hopefully things are slowing down enough that I can get
a chance to visit here a bit more often.
Woof!
Barbarian - The Founder of the Barbarian Illuminati
Barbarian
D. Jean Cooper <dco...@diespammage.inav.net> wrote:
>Yes and no, Tim. From what I've heard, they get flipped around to match
>your own weather patterns for the year. Yule would be the Midsummer fest.
>The equinoxes would be flipped one for the other and the cross-quarter
>dates also. Give that a try. -Walk in Balance
I'll agree with this and add an additional comment of my own. One thing
about Paganism in general is that there is no "one true way" (even if you
do have some people who will tell you otherwise). There may be
'traditional' ways of doing certain things but nothing is really absolute.
(Wow, a lot like nature works in the world, eh?)
Anyway, since the holidays listed are mostly from the Northern European /
Celtic / Wiccan tinted tradition the exact descriptions might not fit for
the Southern Hemisphere, but as Ambergold pointed out the wheel of the
year flips and rotates quite nicely.
(I've got an extensive listing of other Holidays as well - celebrations
and holidays from around the world. All kinds of good times going on and
it's amazing how many of them involve animals in one way or another.)
Richard Chandler - WA Resident
meg...@canis-major.daemon.co.uk> writes:
> Must admit, whenever i'm asked for my religion, I tend to put
> something like "Evangelistic atheist", if only to confuse the people
> who asked!
I have a button that says "Militant Agnostic. I don't know and you don't
either!"
--
Due to GTE's new 100 Hour monthly limit, I am now looking for an ISP in
the Everett/Lakes Stevens WA area that will not Bait and Switch me on the Unlimited PPP time, who has decent web services, fewer DNS breakdowns and
will stick to their <$20 /month fee schedule.
I am NOT a "Granny's got E-mail now" casual web surfer.
Robin91783
In article <70pubm$14$1...@crucigera.fysh.org>, add...@in.sig (Tim Gadd) writes:
>>I have known some wonderfull bitches, I think its a shame that word is
>>used for such peaple.
yeah, I'm not sure _why_ either it's used that way....
>
>Unfortunately my thesis supervisor believes that 'bitch' is the worst
>possible thing that a person can call a woman. I say unforunately,
>because as my thesis was about human-canine crossover texts, in which
>ideas of humans and dogs, particularly women and dogs, were conflated,
>she naturally found the material in the thesis offensive.
_really_ the worse you can about a woman is "bitch"? maybe she should meet my
exhusband;)
seriously, most women I know don't seem to mind being called a bitch, but of
course it depends on the context, etc...
I got a rubber stamp that says "I'm not _a_bitch. I'm the _Bitch_ M's Bitch to
you"
it's really quite popular with rubberstampers (or at least the ones I know, so
that shows you what kind of crowd I run with)...
> In fact, I think I can safely say that the entire academic staff of the
english
>dept are effectively anti-furry, which doesn't give me great hopes of
>a sympathetic hearing (I was warned to change the woman-dog quotes
>because they might alienate the examiners.
:( that _sucks_
> It weirds me profoundly
>that these are quotes from books which ar edirected at a general
>audience, and freely sold, and no-one says boo, but I _quote_ them,
>and in the context of trying to prove an argument that the material is
>potentially shocking, and academics get upset with _me_ for proving my
>own argument.) Ah well, it probably doesn;t matter. The other good
>news is that I went 5,500 words over limit, which I had been led to
>believe would not be a problem, but it turns out it might be a big
>enough problem to get me a failure. Well, irony is my life, as I
>always say. Never thought I'd be failed for working too hard...
:(
sounds like a teacher I had - if she said a thousand words, she _meant_ a
thousand words & she would deduct points if you deviated _either_ way...
>Sorry, that had nothing to do with Wicca, did it.
nope, but it was an interesting aside....
Robin, glad she's not in school...
"WAG THE DOG"
Cassie Foxx
Robin91783 wrote in message
<19981028071023...@ngol01.aol.com>...
>
>In article <70pubm$14$1...@crucigera.fysh.org>, add...@in.sig (Tim Gadd)
writes:
>
>>>I have known some wonderfull bitches, I think its a shame that word is
>>>used for such peaple.
>yeah, I'm not sure _why_ either it's used that way....
>>
>>Unfortunately my thesis supervisor believes that 'bitch' is the worst
>>possible thing that a person can call a woman
Really? The last time somebody called me a bitch, I answered "Thank you. But
I prefer to be called a Vixen. Bitch isn't really the proper term for my
species" And smiled, walking away. I swear, she was flummoxed for a good
five minutes! I barely got inside the building where i was going before i
broke into uncontrollable giggles!
Maybe it goes to show that a calm, unexpected answer can really mess with
some people's minds, eh?
Cassie Foxx
Vixen by name and vixen by nature.
Tim Gadd
>>own argument.) Ah well, it probably doesn;t matter. The other good
>>news is that I went 5,500 words over limit, which I had been led to
>>believe would not be a problem, but it turns out it might be a big
>>enough problem to get me a failure. Well, irony is my life, as I
>>always say. Never thought I'd be failed for working too hard...
>:(
>sounds like a teacher I had - if she said a thousand words, she _meant_ a
>thousand words & she would deduct points if you deviated _either_ way...
The culture I've grown up with is that wordcounts are a minimum, but
people don;t get upset if you go over. The most overlength paper I
ever handed in was literally 100% overlength. I got 92% for it, and a
suggestion that I try to publish it - which didn't exactly send me a
"watch your wordcount" message.
--
Tim Gadd
Hobart, Tasmania
Lupercal .com
@wolf-web
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/1161/
'The Life I am trying to grasp is the me that is trying to grasp it.'
R.D. Laing
Allen Kitchen
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote in message <363b4a7b...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
>
> The Junior High in Ft. Leonard Wood, MO had a cemetery next to
>the running track.
Gives a whole new meaning to the term
"run till you drop."
:)
Allen Kitchen 9shockwave0
Them thar Sullivan's
Robin91783 wrote:
> In article <70pubm$14$1...@crucigera.fysh.org>, add...@in.sig (Tim Gadd) writes:
> sounds like a teacher I had - if she said a thousand words, she _meant_ a
> thousand words & she would deduct points if you deviated _either_ way...
> Robin, glad she's not in school...
> "WAG THE DOG"
I knew an instructer, English department head, who gave a woman an R on
a paper because she did agree with her POV of the argument of the paper.
These kind of hyoomans have no business being in education.
Unfortunately, there altogether too many already entrenched in the
educational beaurocracies around the word.
Tiger in man's clothing
Is there a way I can get ALF through my Hotmail account?
Barbarian
Them thar Sullivan's <sull...@gila.coppernet.net> wrote:
>I knew an instructer, English department head, who gave a woman an R on
>a paper because she did agree with her POV of the argument of the paper.
Er ... did agree or did not agree? (I assume 'did not'.) In that vein, I
had an art teacher who would deduct points for drawing 'fantasy' objects.
Apparently her idea of art was the artist depicting objects that she could
seen. I always felt that art was depicting objects that I could see so
others could see them too.
Them thar Sullivan's
> Er ... did agree or did not agree? (I assume 'did not'.) In that vein, I
> had an art teacher who would deduct points for drawing 'fantasy' objects.
> Apparently her idea of art was the artist depicting objects that she could
> seen. I always felt that art was depicting objects that I could see so
> others could see them too.
Grrr... I suffer from big paws, small keyboard disorder.
Yes, the instructor did not agree with the students POV as stated in the
paper.
Tiger in man's clothing who canna type his way out of a wet paper bag
khr...@my-dejanews.com
> Them thar Sullivan's <sull...@gila.coppernet.net> wrote:
>
> >I knew an instructer, English department head, who gave a woman an R on
> >a paper because she did agree with her POV of the argument of the paper.
>
> had an art teacher who would deduct points for drawing 'fantasy' objects.
> Apparently her idea of art was the artist depicting objects that she could
> seen. I always felt that art was depicting objects that I could see so
> others could see them too.
Heck, I got grief for my _realistic_ animal drawing! Okay, so it was a
transformation assignment and I turned a jeweler's saw into a beaver, but I
got so peeved at the teacher publicly calling me 'a warped mind' to be able
to envision that kind of transformation sequence. Meanwhile, the guy who
turned the plumber's wrench into a gremlin (the assignment specifically said
real animal!) didn't get a mutter from the teacher. Grrrrr....
Allen Kitchen
WebKitty wrote in message ...
<horror story about plagerism here>
>If I had known more about the legal process, I would've asked Jim Davis to
>sue the kid's pants off! *sigh*
Oh, that's awful. But sounds par for the course.
I got put off writing by an english teacher in High School. She
was the stereotype of all that is bad with english teachers, and
even as a kid I would only take so much BS quietly. (at a con
sometime, ask me to tell you the M16 story... I'll not do it online.)
Anyway, she really put me off of writing, although I kept reading
SciFi and such.
In college I rediscovered writing when I took an english class
with a heavy writing component. I couldn't understand what the prof
meant by keeping a journal, so he told me to write short stories
instead. I aced the class. A year later I was called to the main
building and learned that another student had been caught trying
to pass off one of my stories as his in another class. Suddenly I
realized I wasn't too shabby a writer :)
then there was my two page filk of "Twas the night
before Xmas" I wrote down in the shiftchange log during
my airforce days :)
***
Twas the night before Xmas, and all through the shops
all the airmen were cleaning with buckets and mops.
The tech books were placed on the bookshelf with care
in the hopes that St. Francis wouldn't look there.
We worked through the night as the hours went by,
and Hogie watched to see if light tubes could fly (it broke.)
Walt filled up the buckets with Pine sol and tap,
and we settled in hours cleaning up with the cr*p.
We finished the floor, and we started to hum.
When suddenly, the pine oil turned into Gum!
It made the floor sticky, and we started to swear.
It wouldn't come up without sweat and a prayer!
***
sorry. Can't recall any more. It WAS 15 years ago :)
Allen Kitchen (shockwave)
Them thar Sullivan's
Hack!
>
> then there was my two page filk of "Twas the night
> before Xmas" I wrote down in the shiftchange log during
> my airforce days :)
>
> ***
> Twas the night before Xmas, and all through the shops
> all the airmen were cleaning with buckets and mops.
> The tech books were placed on the bookshelf with care
> in the hopes that St. Francis wouldn't look there.
>
> We worked through the night as the hours went by,
> and Hogie watched to see if light tubes could fly (it broke.)
> Walt filled up the buckets with Pine sol and tap,
> and we settled in hours cleaning up with the cr*p.
>
> We finished the floor, and we started to hum.
> When suddenly, the pine oil turned into Gum!
> It made the floor sticky, and we started to swear.
> It wouldn't come up without sweat and a prayer!
>
> ***
> sorry. Can't recall any more. It WAS 15 years ago :)
>
> Allen Kitchen (shockwave)
Having spent 6 years with Uncle Sam, I know all about that. It brings up
happy memories of Christmas in Germany, back when there was a cold war.
Allen Kitchen
Them thar Sullivan's wrote in message <3638C9...@gila.coppernet.net>...
>Having spent 6 years with Uncle Sam, I know all about that. It brings up
>happy memories of Christmas in Germany, back when there was a cold war.
Ah, another MilFur!
For whoever is interested, I'm still keeping the MilFur ALF list.
Shall I repost it for everyone?
Allen Kitchen (shockwave)
Them thar Sullivan's
>
Hack!
> Ah, another MilFur!
>
> For whoever is interested, I'm still keeping the MilFur ALF list.
> Shall I repost it for everyone?
>
> Allen Kitchen (shockwave)
Sure!
Maybe they didn't ley me go to desert storm because they didn't want
to run across my landmines in the sand box?
Furry Wurry
Them thar Sullivan's <sull...@gila.coppernet.net> writes:
> Allen Kitchen wrote:
>
> Hack!
Perhaps you might explain what you mean by that interjection?
Unfortunately, when used to describe writing, it most often
means something banal, hackneyed or otherwise not worth reading.
Hopefully that's not what you intended.
fw
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Furry Wurry
"Allen Kitchen" <all...@blkbox.com> writes:
>
> For whoever is interested, I'm still keeping the MilFur ALF list.
> Shall I repost it for everyone?
Sounds like a good idea to me.
Then we can again argue/////discuss what fraction of the furry population
it is :-3
Them thar Sullivan's
>
> > Hack!
>
> Perhaps you might explain what you mean by that interjection?
> Unfortunately, when used to describe writing, it most often
> means something banal, hackneyed or otherwise not worth reading.
> Hopefully that's not what you intended.
>
> fw
>
Gorsh! Thanks for brining that to my attention, FW.
I've been experimenting with cliping and snipping text, but those just
don't suit my attitudes. So Hack!, as in using a big axe to remove text,
seemed more my style.
I never meant to imply anything. And if I say something that seems
flamy, it's not. I just have a rare sense of humor.
Cerulean
>WebKitty wrote in message ...
><horror story about plagerism here>
>>If I had known more about the legal process, I would've asked Jim Davis to
>>sue the kid's pants off! *sigh*
>
>Oh, that's awful. But sounds par for the course.
Yep. I don't know why so many prisoners of the world's dreary school
systems don't jump at the chance to do something creative and fun for
a change.
One of my classmates in eighth grade, upon being assigned to write a
poem (A poem of any kind! How hard can that be?), plagiarized verbatim
"The Homework Machine" by Shel Silverstein.
This choice struck me as
1. such a simplistic little poem that he might as well have written
something, no matter how poor,
2. way too commonly known to go undetected, and
3. pretty bleeding foolish in the choice of subject matter! I'd be
pretty damned embarrassed to be caught stealing a poem about avoiding
doing one's own homework to avoid doing my own homework!
Despite all this, he got away with it, even though I recognized it
immediately and said so as soon as he was done reading it. (There was
no reason not to; all my eighth grade classmates hated me anyway.) The
teacher couldn't be bothered to show any interest in the validity of
my claim. So, she, too, was reluctant to put effort into doing her job
right if she could avoid it.
Robin91783
>> Er ... did agree or did not agree? (I assume 'did not'.) In that vein, I
>> had an art teacher who would deduct points for drawing 'fantasy' objects.
>> Apparently her idea of art was the artist depicting objects that she could
>> seen. I always felt that art was depicting objects that I could see so
>> others could see them too.
>
>
ahh, school, how_wonderful_!
I got a lot of grief from a high school teacher for a short story I wrote - it
was about a young woman, sitting by her window on a rainy Sunday, waiting for
her married boyfriend to visit her...It was all an internal view, just the girl
going from thinking it was _too_ early to wait to relizing she spent _another_
Sunday afternoon waiting for the boyfriend....well, the teacher asked me in
front of class what did I base my exeprience on, what did I know about married
men, etc..I was _embarressed_ & had to say I knew_nothing_ about married men or
anything like that (I was 15) - he was a creative writing teacher & I _thought_
I was writing creatively....
he totally trashed the story from the viewpoint - it was _much_ later in life
when I realized he didn't trash it from the skill or anything, just he felt I
took a terrible point of view....
Robin, who was happier when Kimba said the story hit the teacher a _little_ too
close for comfort...
"WAG THE DOG"
khr...@my-dejanews.com
sull...@gila.coppernet.net wrote:
> Furry Wurry wrote:
> > > Hack!
> >
> > Perhaps you might explain what you mean by that interjection?
> > Unfortunately, when used to describe writing, it most often
> > means something banal, hackneyed or otherwise not worth reading.
> > Hopefully that's not what you intended.
> Gorsh! Thanks for brining that to my attention, FW.
>
> I've been experimenting with cliping and snipping text, but those just
> don't suit my attitudes. So Hack!, as in using a big axe to remove text,
> seemed more my style.
>
> I never meant to imply anything. And if I say something that seems
> flamy, it's not. I just have a rare sense of humor.
>
> Tiger in man's clothing
Suggestion, tiger: Add some asterisks around it... you know like
*snip*
*slice!*
**HACK!**
**saw-saw-saw-saw**
That makes it visually appear to be a sound, rather than a commentary. :3
A lot of us get creative when clipping out unnecessary text for quotes.
Ricochet
> One of my classmates in eighth grade, upon being assigned to write a
> poem (A poem of any kind! How hard can that be?), plagiarized verbatim
> "The Homework Machine" by Shel Silverstein.
I was in a backwards predicament in school. The teacher wanted us to
FIND poems relating to certain topics and put them into a big poem book.
I was too damn lazy to find some of the poems required so I FAKED them.
Wrote them myself using different techniques and fake names. I got an A
on the project.
I was terrible in all my classes in school. I'd fake homework as best as
possible, sometimes the teach would grade, sometimes just see if you did
it. English was always my best class mainly because I was friends with
teach. They all liked my "creativity" sooooo much...and I aced the
courses when there wasn't lots of book reports or other junk.
I fear college because of the Thesis. I'd never be able to do one
because I hate research with a passion. I remember going through hell
trying to make a report about England. My lame ass C+ report was titled
"England...The Country That's Got It All." *cough* Oh well. If it was
creative writing, I did well. Everything else, I didn't even Cliffs
Notes. I did minimum and took the D. Good thing I had TWO Chior classes
that I Aced every time. My GPA wasn't so bad because of Chior.
AaaaaAAAMMmmmaaaazzzing Graaaace.... -Ricochet
*To E-mail The dog...just use my nick at dog dot com over dey!*
Them thar Sullivan's
Hack!
> Suggestion, tiger: Add some asterisks around it... you know like
> *snip*
> *slice!*
> **HACK!**
> **saw-saw-saw-saw**
> That makes it visually appear to be a sound, rather than a commentary. :3
> A lot of us get creative when clipping out unnecessary text for quotes.
> -- ermine
> ==================================
I'm a little to blunt for that... =^_^=
Tiger in man's clothing who is a little shy on the social skill and too
tired to care
Kimba W. Lion
>I was in a backwards predicament in school. The teacher wanted us to
>FIND poems relating to certain topics and put them into a big poem book.
>I was too damn lazy to find some of the poems required so I FAKED them.
>Wrote them myself using different techniques and fake names. I got an A
>on the project.
:D I find that really funny! I avoided creative writing like the
plague.
I guess the moral is, talent will find a way! :)
Kimba
David Cooke
>
> Unfortunately my thesis supervisor believes that 'bitch' is the worst
> because as my thesis was about human-canine crossover texts, in which
> ideas of humans and dogs, particularly women and dogs, were conflated,
> think I can safely say that the entire academic staff of the english
> dept are effectively anti-furry, which doesn't give me great hopes of
> a sympathetic hearing (I was warned to change the woman-dog quotes
> because they might alienate the examiners.
Do you get an external examiner too? If you can find one with an
interest in your subject matter, they should be able to get you a
proper evaluation from the department. It may be useful to get in
touch with a peer department at another Uni. My partner had lots
of trouble with hers because it had strayed away from the profs
personal area of interest.
> Sorry, that had nothing to do with Wicca, did it.
Um, mine neither. Erm, oh yes, the _only_ person other than furs
here and my partner I've ever spoken to about furry was wiccan.
Does that count?
David Cooke.
--
"The Congress of the Friendly Dog and the Two Small Biscuits!" she exclaimed,
examining the intricate tatoo. "You hardly ever see that these days. Isn't
it well done? You can even make out the yoghurt."
- Ptraci (Pterry)
[ Address munged: replace "medlar.SPAM" with "demon.co" to reply. ]
Tim Gadd
>Tim Gadd wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately my thesis supervisor believes that 'bitch' is the worst
>> possible thing that a person can call a woman. I say unforunately,
>> because as my thesis was about human-canine crossover texts, in which
>> ideas of humans and dogs, particularly women and dogs, were conflated,
>> she naturally found the material in the thesis offensive. In fact, I
>> think I can safely say that the entire academic staff of the english
>> dept are effectively anti-furry, which doesn't give me great hopes of
>> a sympathetic hearing (I was warned to change the woman-dog quotes
>> because they might alienate the examiners.
>Do you get an external examiner too? If you can find one with an
>interest in your subject matter, they should be able to get you a
>proper evaluation from the department. It may be useful to get in
>touch with a peer department at another Uni. My partner had lots
>of trouble with hers because it had strayed away from the profs
>personal area of interest.
I have three examiners, one is external (uni of queensland). I get to
veto the local ones, however, as given my choice, I woukld veto all of
them, it probably doesn't matter who I get ;) I don;t get to choose
external examiners unfortunately, though I have no particular reason
to suspect the one I have got of being more or less unsympathetic than
average.
--
Tim Gadd
Hobart, Tasmania
Lupercal .com
@wolf-web
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/1161/
"I am not a human being, I am an animal!"
The Man Elephant.