The greatest lesson is about self
Dennis
When I was a Catholic it meant I would give up something for Lent starting
today.
It was great---for it not only did it make one aware that Easter was coming,
but also taught great self discipline.
I learned from this that if one can control small things in their life it
was a small step to control big ones also.
Why not try it....
The rewards are great.
Dennis (who learned what self disciple is by giving up ice cream for Lent)
Sparks
hours (all voluntary) and use the money we would have spent on food to give
to the poor. It is very rewarding, but also, nice to see if you have the
strength and endurance. For those who can't fast because of health, etc.,
they usually choose something else to give up for that 24 hours.
--
In spite of everything, I still believe that people are really good at
heart.
--Anne Frank
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Dennis
It's gift to one's self and to others the way you do it.
Sounds great.
Dennis
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"It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming
or tedious"
--Oscar Wilde
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who have made it worthwhile....
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anyway.
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"It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming
or tedious"
--Oscar Wilde
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Ape, a transportable temple, so no matter where I go, there's a place where
God is.))
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Dennis
Do you mean me actually insulting or every commit being interpreted as an
insult?
I only have control over one of those items.
Dennis (who is the only human in the world who actually knows his
intentions)
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Now this I understand.
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Dennis
I think we are just butting heads here , but as long as you assume bad
intentions there is not a darn thing I can do about it.
It took me a long time here to learn that. Seems I'm a slow learner.
So now I just follow the serenity prayer here.
Dennis
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it" (or not) is your business and hasn't got a thing to do with me.
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Cyra
jeez, i'm glad i didn't respond with what i tell my mother-in-law & her
friends!! i'd really be in deep............. strange thing is, they find it
funny...........
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Cyra
"We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
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insult.
Reminds me of a joke hubby sent out. One of his relatives was really pissed
at him for sending it to two of his Christian relatives as they were "too
innocent for that kind of stuff" LOL - They both wrote him back to tell him
out funny the joke was.
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"It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming
or tedious"
--Oscar Wilde
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semi-serious "truth said in jest" kind of remark along the same lines as the
first.
Go ahead and talk about what you tell your mother-in-law and her friends if
you want to. It's a free newsgroup. :)
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Cyra
i couldn't grasp it..... especially after Dennis had expressed what he sees
as beneficial results of the practice of Lent........ and that it was so
obviously teasing, in that we all know Dennis & Ape gave up church long
ago....... for reasons other than Lent........
and free newsgroup aside, in light of that light teasing having been taken
exception to, why would i cause more grief, by adding my own humor, which
most likely would be taken stronger exception to as it could be considered
much darker? i was only making a point on how mild the teasing was..........
--
Cyra
"We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
A Cherokee Feast of Days
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cleared........ so on to the next misunderstanding! ;)
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Dennis
I'm glad you are here and "hear" so I know I am not crazy sometimes----LOL
I think some of the miscommunication is because many followers can not
believe people like Ape and I can follow another path and still be of good
conscience.
The assumption seems to be if you have rejected what we still believe in you
either you never where a "true follower" "never understood it" or you are
bad, evil, of the dark side, etc. It's NEVER assumed you changed paths
because it did not appear valid in your opinion and you made an informed
decision.
It's the ---giant---- gap IMO that you, me and most who here who follow
different paths have experienced.
As you say the best way to deal with it is just not deal with it and expect
a worse possible interpretation on any post that involves their beliefs. I
expect every one of my posts about Christianity to be examined under a
microscope with the hopes of finding some way to assign me an evil motive.
It does not matter how far one has to bend the rules of logic to find it, it
will be found.
IMO nothing you or I are can say will make a difference for it's a
conditioned reflex and done with good intentions.
BTW I respect the 'good intentions' part and knowing this is it's basis it
does not bother me.
Dennis (who knows most have good intentions and it's up to me to find them)
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devilish?) ;)
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Cyra
"We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
A Cherokee Feast of Days
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http://www.motocentral.com
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am going to obsess about this all night.
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at one time or another, and only the individual can stop their part of the
cycle........ (ok, that sounds pretty confusing)
then there is the personal part....... spirituality is very personal, and
religion can be very personal ........ the thing is separating your personal
experience from the format........
--
Cyra
"We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
A Cherokee Feast of Days
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--
Cyra
"We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
A Cherokee Feast of Days
http://www.thesacredgrove.com
http://www.motocentral.com
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assumption seems to be.." and "expect a worse possible interpretation." and
"expect every one of my posts about Christianity to be examined under a
microscope with the hopes of finding some way to assign me an evil motive.
It does not matter how far one has to bend the rules of logic to find it, it
intent" philosophy you have been preaching here lately?
You may find this difficult to believe, but I honestly have NO problem with
you, in good conscience, choosing another path. I just wish you'd get on
with it already! THAT'S what I meant by suggesting you give up insulting
people who go to church for Lent. It's a form of clinging to the past that
you might want to think about letting go someday. Who knows? It might be fun
!
--
Karyn
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Dennis
We are very different here and what I am saying, you are not hearing, but
that's OK.
If you wish to try to hear me a little better it might be fun but first I
have a few things I wish to say about good intentions.
I have come to love you very much as a person from our interactions here.
You have given me hugs when I needed them and ass chewings when I needed
them.
You have provided me a shoulder to cry on and tough love when you thought it
was the right thing to do.
For this I thank you even though I don't say it very often.
IMO that's what friends are.
In any case no matter what you say to me even when I don't like it I always
assume you are doing what you belief is from a good heart.
I see you as a follower of Christ and very Christ like in many ways.
I can not picture you ever wishing me or others here harm and have come to
understand you will defend my right to speak even when it disagrees with
what you stand for.
I see that as integrity. I see you always having good intentions---
Dennis (who knows a good thing when he sees it)
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Samhain.
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Eve
The UU Service Committee sponsors a program called "Guest at Your Table"
starting Thanksgiving and going through New Years, where you keep a box
on the dinner table and add enough cash at each meal to feed one more
person. You hand the whole shebang in after Jan. 1.
I did it this year, and was pretty amazed to see how it added up. :))
Eve
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> Dennis, Lent sounds like Fast Sunday for us. Once a month we fast for
24
> hours (all voluntary) and use the money we would have spent on food to
give
> to the poor. It is very rewarding, but also, nice to see if you have
the
> strength and endurance. For those who can't fast because of health,
etc.,
> they usually choose something else to give up for that 24 hours.
>
> --
> In spite of everything, I still believe that people are really good at
> heart.
> --Anne Frank
> "Dennis" <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
Marylyn
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made me feel as if I had some "company" . . .
:)
Eve
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I like this one a lot too. Giving freely is such a good thing.
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My wife and I have been observing a 'pagan Lent' (Imbolc to Ostara)
for several years. This year I gave up caffiene (including chocolate,
which is the tough one at our office). In past years we have given up
T.V. (that one stuck so we can't use it anymore), and food packaged in
plastic (very tough and very eye opening).
One explanation of the practice I heard from a Catholic priest which I
particularly like is that by giving up something you don't want to
give up, you can teach yourself that this habit is not your God.
I also like the Lent practice of adding service to others rather than
or in addition to giving up something. It helps remind us that we can
express our connection to the Divine by connecting meaningfully to the
expression of the Divine made manifest in creation. I've only used
that path once, because it is hard to make it a daily practice which
would be the ideal way to observe Lent. Maybe I could make a small
act of service a daily practice, but with a child and another on the
way, and an exciting but increasingly demanding job, it is tough
adding to my schedule. So I'm searching around for what I could
gracefully (pun intended) give up permanently and replace with
connection through service.
Bob "decaf posting" Duniway
Bob Duniway
You know, I had the exact same questions reading Dennis' post. Then
it occurred to me that I'm doing the same thing at work, assigning
personality/bad faith explanations to a few folks in another
department who I think are pursuing an agenda at odds with the best
interest of the university where I work. I even had a recent
'confirmation' of my suspicions from an insider who is leaving.
Unfortunately for me, I practice a daily meditation that involves
memorizing passages from various sacred texts, and going over them
slowly in my mind while attempting to just focus on the words and calm
my tendency to analyze. The passage that has tripped me up is Matthew
Ch. 5, particularly:
43
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour,
and hate thine enemy.
44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do
good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use
you, and persecute you;
45
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he
maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain
on the just and on the unjust.
46
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even
the publicans the same?
47
And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do
not even the publicans so?
Wow. Clearly there is a disconnect between this level of love and my
small view of those folks at work. I'm going to keep working on this
standard. It will be tough, and I will undoubtedly fall short pretty
often, but as the next verse says,
48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is
perfect.
Ignoring the gendered anthropomorphizing of the Divine in all of this
text, I think it makes sense to aim for high standards, and it also
makes sense to recognize that I'm just as imperfect as the next guy.
So imagine the irony of starting to judge Dennis, then seeing what I
was doing. Let's see, where is that verse about judging the splinter
in your neighbor's eye. Maybe that should be next on my list.
Bob "plenty of room for future growth" Duniway
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Ape:)
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making assumptions about how people were going to react to him and why.
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from a very fractured family that probably didn't know it was lent even, but
I went to a catholic school, therefore, lent was recognized.
I can't imagine what I might give up or better yet, how I would serve
differently, my philosophy about life is to do what has been put in front of
me, many times it is a kind word to an unhappy person (being a daily transit
rider provides lots of those opportunities), small opportunities that just
seem to be part of life......feeding those table dancers at christmas still
burns bright in my memory, they were precious cause I got to be good to
someone(s) who needed it.
I like what you had to say Bob, I like your honesty.
Speaking of honesty, the other night JD and I were talking about unsolicited
porn opportunities that seem to come via email almost daily. He asked me if
I ever visit those kind of sites....I said....you can't meditate on a
regular basis and lie....of course I do....i just don't go through the doors
that require your visa card #.....he was pretty shocked at my
admission....hell.....I'm just as ordinary, curious and human as the next
guy......and trying to lie a whole lot less.
Trudy
"I wanted a perfect ending. Now I've learned, the hard way, that some poems
don't rhyme, and some stories don't have a clear beginning, middle and end.
Life is about not knowing, having to change, taking the moment and making
the best of it, without knowing what's going to happen next." (Gilda
Radner)
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Dennis
I've had similar experiences I gave up desserts once and don't eat very many
anymore.
As a family we gave up TV and the phone on Sundays and after the TV watching
went way down.
I strongly believe this:
"by giving up something you don't want to give up, you can teach yourself
that this habit is not your God".
Dennis (who knows 'what' he serves is his God)
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Dennis
There is a difference between describing actions and assuming motives.
Example this is "my" assumption based on action that has occurred over and
over..
"I expect every one of my posts about Christianity to be examined under a
microscope with the hopes of finding some way to assign me an evil
motive."
This is a guess not an assignment.
" The assumption seems to be if you have rejected what we still believe in
..........."
O well it does not matter for no one is reading this to see what my problem
here is anyway.
Dennis
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Ape, who is into initially given another the benefit of the doubt, but
then... .:)
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Ishi
Ishi.. ... .... ..
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> How about we give up going to church for Lent ?
>
>
>
>
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> > I gave up a small thing. I gave up Lent. .. Ape;)
> >
> > "Dennis" <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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Ishi
Good read.
Ishi.. ... .... ..
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Ishi.. ... .... ..like minded.and while there, be gentle.
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> Not something I can do.... my "church" is all around me. :o)
>
>
>
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> How about we give up going to church for Lent ?
>
>
>
>
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> > I gave up a small thing. I gave up Lent. .. Ape;)
> >
> > "Dennis" <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
Naked_Apes
stimulating, but like you, I never go through that Visa Portal. ..
Ape, who once heard it said that if you never tell a lie, you never have to
remember everything you've ever said.))
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thinking when we read your posts about Christianity though.
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it was practiced and so it was never part of my life. Giving things up
(fasting, etc.) is something I'd do at any time, with no special season set
aside for it. Same with helping others.
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Based on ????
Dennis
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Dennis, I have to agree with Marylyn. What you think I think isn't even
close to what I actually think.
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PuNx
Sounds like you had a great Christmas.
--
PuNx
Life is but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour
upon the stage, and then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot,
full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. - MacBeth
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"The assumption seems to be if you have rejected what we still believe in
you either you never where a "true follower" "never understood it" or you
are bad, evil, of the dark side, etc"
You seem to do this over and over --but I am listening.
Dennis
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"I expect every one of my posts about Christianity to be examined under a
microscope with the hopes of finding some way to assign me an evil motive."
"Dennis" <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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"CaliforniaGirl" <ACalifo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> X-No-archive: yes
> I don't know, I think of that text where Jesus says obeying God is more
> about mercy and not sacrifice.
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/kathymosesian/pictures.html
> "Marylyn" <mmo...@cncnet.com> wrote in message
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PuNx
--
PuNx
Life is but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour
upon the stage, and then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot,
full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. - MacBeth
"Karyn" <Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
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perspective on things is introduced that's up to you. I still plan to
present my point of view. .. Ape:)
"Karyn" <Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
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Trudy Higginson
--
Trudy
"I wanted a perfect ending. Now I've learned, the hard way, that some poems
don't rhyme, and some stories don't have a clear beginning, middle and end.
Life is about not knowing, having to change, taking the moment and making
the best of it, without knowing what's going to happen next." (Gilda
Radner)
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"Karyn" <Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
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confused - LOL..... ;)
--
Cyra
"We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
A Cherokee Feast of Days
http://www.thesacredgrove.com
http://www.motocentral.com
"Marylyn" <mmo...@cncnet.com> wrote in message
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> Because the very first shoe horns fell out of a Horn of Plenty during the
first
> Samhain.
>
> "Cyra" <cyraa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a4mqek$1ekkf$1...@ID-49111.news.dfncis.de...
> > <grabs box of new shoe horns> (why are they called shoe HORNS anyway??
> > devilish?) ;)
> >
> > --
> > Cyra
> > "We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
> > A Cherokee Feast of Days
> > http://www.thesacredgrove.com
> > http://www.motocentral.com
> > "Karyn" <Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:a4m5hn$19263$1...@ID-10225.news.dfncis.de...
> > > LOL. Coming right up. <prepares foot for insertion into mouth>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Karyn
> > >
> > > "Cyra" <cyraa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:a4m4ej$190kk$1...@ID-49111.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > well we could keep going on this...... but i think the air is
somewhat
> > > > cleared........ so on to the next misunderstanding! ;)
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Cyra
> > > > "We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
> > > > A Cherokee Feast of Days
> > > > http://www.thesacredgrove.com
> > > > http://www.motocentral.com
> > > > "Karyn" <Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:a4m2i3$19f6e$1...@ID-10225.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > > I thought my teasing was pretty mild too, but look at the reaction
I
> > > got!
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Karyn
> > > > >
> > > > > "Cyra" <cyraa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:a4m2dd$18co0$1...@ID-49111.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > > > question answered :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i couldn't grasp it..... especially after Dennis had expressed
what
> > he
> > > > > sees
> > > > > > as beneficial results of the practice of Lent........ and that
it
> > was
> > > so
> > > > > > obviously teasing, in that we all know Dennis & Ape gave up
church
> > > long
> > > > > > ago....... for reasons other than Lent........
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and free newsgroup aside, in light of that light teasing having
been
> > > > taken
> > > > > > exception to, why would i cause more grief, by adding my own
humor,
> > > > which
> > > > > > most likely would be taken stronger exception to as it could be
> > > > considered
> > > > > > much darker? i was only making a point on how mild the teasing
> > > > > was..........
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Cyra
> > > > > > "We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
> > > > > > A Cherokee Feast of Days
> > > > > > http://www.thesacredgrove.com
> > > > > > http://www.motocentral.com
> > > > > > "Karyn" <Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:a4m05b$17t3o$1...@ID-10225.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > > > > Actually, I wasn't insulted at all, just making another tongue
in
> > > > cheek.
> > > > > > > semi-serious "truth said in jest" kind of remark along the
same
> > > lines
> > > > as
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > first.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Go ahead and talk about what you tell your mother-in-law and
her
> > > > friends
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > you want to. It's a free newsgroup. :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Karyn
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Cyra" <cyraa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:a4kkv2$uue9$1...@ID-49111.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > > > > > why do you see this as an insult?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > jeez, i'm glad i didn't respond with what i tell my
> > mother-in-law
> > > &
> > > > > her
> > > > > > > > friends!! i'd really be in deep............. strange thing
is,
> > > they
> > > > > find
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > funny...........
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Cyra
> > > > > > > > "We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
> > > > > > > > A Cherokee Feast of Days
> > > > > > > > http://www.thesacredgrove.com
> > > > > > > > http://www.motocentral.com
> > > > > > > > "Karyn" <Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:a4jv63$r21q$1...@ID-10225.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > > > > > > How about you give up insulting those who do?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Karyn
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Dennis" <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:a4jt74$s936$1...@ID-10190.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > > > > > > > How about we give up going to church for Lent ?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Naked_Apes" <naked...@msn.com> wrote in message
Naked_Apes
"CaliforniaGirl" <ACalifo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> X-No-archive: yes
> Me either, really.
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/kathymosesian/pictures.html
> "Marylyn" <mmo...@cncnet.com> wrote in message
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Crowbear
giving up something then therefore someone else does not have to suffer.
"CaliforniaGirl" <ACalifo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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X-No-archive: yes
I don't know, I think of that text where Jesus says obeying God is more
about mercy and not sacrifice.
http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/kathymosesian/pictures.html
"Marylyn" <mmo...@cncnet.com> wrote in message
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who follow Native American paths who, out of great compassion, will
sacrifice something of themselves to help others. This is one way of
understanding sacrifice and I have great respect for this.
I don't think this is the same as the Christian concept of sacrifice though.
--
Karyn
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Karyn
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that I help to remember it when they see someone else who needs help.
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thing that we truly own in this life, and that is our bodies.
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That's why Christ said it is all about mercy. I think He is correct.
http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/kathymosesian/pictures.html
"Crowbear" <crow...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Ishi
Ishi.. ... .... ..
Naked_Apes <naked...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Is it, everywhere you go there is a temple, and you're it? Ape;)
>
> "Ishi" <miyag...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> > I can't give up what I am, But if I was a place, ya, I could give that
up.
> > Ishi.. ... .... ..
> >
> > Dennis <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > news:a4jt74$s936$1...@ID-10190.news.dfncis.de...
> > > How about we give up going to church for Lent ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Naked_Apes" <naked...@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > news:a4jrs8$sgvp$1...@ID-10187.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > I gave up a small thing. I gave up Lent. .. Ape;)
> > > >
Eve
as well.
A second strand of the idea for me is that sometimes by sacrificing one
thing, you get (or give) something better :))
An example - by giving up TV, you find time for other activities that
might be more beneficial.
Eve
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prophet Micah said were not what God desired and why.
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to live.
"Crowbear" <crow...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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sacrifice is one of the body, because ownership of anything else is pure
illusion.
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the sacrifice of one self in any form, can also be for the greater good, so
long as the intention for good is there.
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X-No-archive: yes
Greater love hath no man.................as they say. :-)
http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/kathymosesian/pictures.html
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Hiya Eve :o)
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wrong war, at the wrong time, in the wrong place. .. Ape;)
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Ape;)
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Eve
Also, it may take time to assess the benefit - thinking here of Ape's
comment on Vietnam. There is always good to be taken, and so the
sacrifice is not in vain.
Heya Oh Great Furry One :))
Eve
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for all they did for me, they said let me see you happy, and then pass
it on.
Eve
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sleep staying with us, or something like that. They taught me by example how to
give for the joy of it, especially my mom.
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don't you think?
Eve
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a personal goal. ..
Ape, hoping you understand what I mean.)
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Marylyn
special thing.
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