Post Modernism
Karyn Carlo
theologies which question the certitude of the assumptions of the modernist
era. Very briefly, the pre-modern era was marked by the complete social and
political domination of the church. The modern era began with the
Enlightenment of the 17th century and was marked by the assumptions of
logical positivism, rationalism, reason, the "scientific method" etc.
Whereas the pre-modernist took the theology and symbolism of the church to
be absolute, the modernist assumed the logic of science to be absolute.
In contrast to both of these paradigms, the post-moderist says there ARE no
absolutes. There is no "pure reason." All meaning is local and contextual.
The "metatheories" of modernist logic are as culturally determined as the
pre-modernist assumptions and, furthermore, they serve the interests of the
dominant political and social groups and, by definition, marginalize others.
The post modernist looks at the constructions of the prevailing theories
contextually according to the particular mode of domination which they serve
and offers counter or deconstructions based on alternative views.
Clear as mud?
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Karyn
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above my head,.but I will persevere.
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Dennis
I just use--
pre- Catholic church religious controlled
post -free logical in development
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"Dennis" <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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Stephen
essay i wrote called "The Modern Century: Unsuitable for Children." A part of
the poem is the way the words on the page are formatted. That might become lost
in >>>>>>>>>>>.
Glumsad and Blackcoat Stiffcollar
Glumsad returned from the forest
he had painted a tree
points of light
and sun-glitter
d n
c
a ing and leap
ing
off the canvas
he was pleased there was light
he hung the painting beside some dark Jesus
and awaited his execution
Blackcoat Stiffcollar was pissed
Glumsad you bastard
you painted a tree
we don't paint trees we paint Jesuses
dark Jesuses hung on trees but not just trees
there must be a Jesus on the damn tree
yellow skinny ones with sad eyes maybe
not bright with infused light
take it back or die
Glumsad, fearful, ran into the forest
where he sat rotting in the bush
astheyearsflewpast
Glumsad's painting was ripped
off the wall by the masspeople
who shouted `that is not art that is crap'
then they removed their drawers excreted on the canvas
and threw it amongst the trees in the forest
where it lay
glowing
breathing
permanent
Glumsad rolled around in the dirt
Fuck them if they can't take it
his hair grew long
he didn't cut his nails or brush his teeth
he began to stink and let his clothing wear
Donald-Vronski-Choy-Klein-Muhamud-Jones
parked his watercar
having travelled from Internationaland
and walked into the forest to take a leak
he found Glumsad's painting
cleaned off the shit and said
I've seen trees like this
Years later Glumsad found a swan--
tore its wings off
at last found himself running through the park
naked
covered in swanblood
wings strapped on back
in his hand the Book
his hair flowed behind like sinewy
s s s s s
n n n n n
a a a a a
k k k k k
e e e e e
s s s s s
he was looking for a woman but he was tired
he sat down on the grass to smoke
then Blackcoat came
with the Bluemen
they put a bullet
in his criminally-artistic brain
(c) 1995, SJR, North Bay, Ontario. Please repost copyright info if reposting.
Dennis
Powerful.
For the pre and post wars are still being fought today and the results are
still the same.
The cause is still "The Modern Century: Unsuitable for Children "
It's shouted from the roof tops.
I like the mix of crude with passion, pain and the "cause".
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Dennis
"Stephen" <ste...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Speaking of, i'm going out on a limb and posting a poem i wrote as part
of an
> essay i wrote called "." A part of
Dennis
I don't know how to say it simpler.
The church (Catholic) controlled the pre-era with dogma and authority
Logical thinkers controlled the post-era with public feedback as to what
sold and what did not. It was free enterprise of the mind.
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"Karyn Carlo" <Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> What? I don't understand what you just said.
>
> --
> Karyn
>
> "Dennis" <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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I don't get is the second part. Logical positivism isn't related to public
feedback or free enterprise, at as far as I am aware of.
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"Dennis" <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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Dennis
thinking on others (with only a few exceptions). Public opinion (mostly the
upper class, but at least some not just a small group) for the most part
decided who survived and who died out and which ideas evolved.
An Example evolution is popular because many accept it. No group dictates
this, so it means the public majority does.
I like Emerson, because I like Emerson.
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Karyn Carlo
population had a say in this, so I wouldn't say it was popular or public
opinion so much as it was a dominant class whose ideas permeated the entire
society
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Karyn Carlo
the point of view of who is left out. It makes for some interesting
perspective.
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"Dennis" <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> Karyn
>
> I agree with what you wrote. In fact today it's the same only a few
counties
> (the economic ones) control today's extension of ideas to any great
degree.
> The basic rule is he who has the gold makes the rules.
>
> Then it was a segment of the upper class, now it's a segment of the upper
(I
> just mean they have money) class countries.
>
> But it's also not a small group who control it. Hence it's at least more
> public.
>
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> Dennis
> "Karyn Carlo" <Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
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Dennis
Ape
became the lyrics to the music. .. Ape
"Stephen" <ste...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Speaking of, i'm going out on a limb and posting a poem i wrote as part
of an
> essay i wrote called "The Modern Century: Unsuitable for Children." A
Ape
"Dennis" <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> Karyn
>
> I don't know how to say it simpler.
>
> The church (Catholic) controlled the pre-era with dogma and authority
>
> Logical thinkers controlled the post-era with public feedback as to what
> sold and what did not. It was free enterprise of the mind.
>
>
>
> --
> Dennis
> "Karyn Carlo" <Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:8hglej$2uufp$1...@fu-berlin.de...
> > What? I don't understand what you just said.
> >
> > --
> > Karyn
> >
> > "Dennis" <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > news:8hghjl$32h17$1...@fu-berlin.de...
Ape
How could you say something as outlandish as, "I like Emerson, because I
like Emerson."
Ape, but not Ape. ..
"Dennis" <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> The logical thinkers who made it were 'popular'. No group forced their
> thinking on others (with only a few exceptions). Public opinion (mostly
the
> upper class, but at least some not just a small group) for the most part
> decided who survived and who died out and which ideas evolved.
>
> An Example evolution is popular because many accept it. No group dictates
> this, so it means the public majority does.
>
> I like Emerson, because I like Emerson.
>
> --
> Dennis
> "Karyn Carlo" <Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:8hgpnp$30s4s$1...@fu-berlin.de...
> > OK, I got the first part. The church controlled pre-modernist thinking.
> What
> > I don't get is the second part. Logical positivism isn't related to
public
> > feedback or free enterprise, at as far as I am aware of.
> >
Karyn Carlo
argue that our ways of thinking are largely culturally determined and need
to be deconstructed until an alternate vision can emerge.
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"Ape" <Naked...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> Free enterprise of the mind. What a concept. .. Ape
>
Stephen
Ape wrote:
Dennis
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"Ape" <Naked...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> But, but, but Dennis. You've stepped beyond the boundaries of my
definition.
> How could you say something as outlandish as, "I like Emerson, because I
> like Emerson."
> Ape, but not Ape. ..
>
> "Dennis" <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:8hgs1b$33gec$1...@fu-berlin.de...
> > The logical thinkers who made it were 'popular'. No group forced their
> > thinking on others (with only a few exceptions). Public opinion (mostly
> the
> > upper class, but at least some not just a small group) for the most part
> > decided who survived and who died out and which ideas evolved.
> >
> > An Example evolution is popular because many accept it. No group
dictates
> > this, so it means the public majority does.
> >
> > I like Emerson, because I like Emerson.
> >
> > --
> > Dennis
> > "Karyn Carlo" <Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:8hgpnp$30s4s$1...@fu-berlin.de...
> > > OK, I got the first part. The church controlled pre-modernist
thinking.
> > What
> > > I don't get is the second part. Logical positivism isn't related to
> public
> > > feedback or free enterprise, at as far as I am aware of.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Karyn
> > >
> > > "Dennis" <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > > news:8hgpg8$31mbp$1...@fu-berlin.de...
> > > > Karyn
> > > >
> > > > I don't know how to say it simpler.
> > > >
> > > > The church (Catholic) controlled the pre-era with dogma and
authority
> > > >
> > > > Logical thinkers controlled the post-era with public feedback as to
> what
> > > > sold and what did not. It was free enterprise of the mind.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dennis
> > > > "Karyn Carlo" <Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:8hglej$2uufp$1...@fu-berlin.de...
> > > > > What? I don't understand what you just said.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Karyn
> > > > >
> > > > > "Dennis" <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:8hghjl$32h17$1...@fu-berlin.de...
Ape
Ape, but not Ape. ..
"Dennis" <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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Karyn Carlo
sort of spiritual practice?
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"Ape" <Naked...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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Dennis
now its only 487 to go.
I give up !!!!
Karyn Carlo
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"Dennis" <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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Ape
and admit that you're scum for not saying so, I'll stop posting about your
behavior. Oh, by the way, stop mimicking me with all of that foul language.
Only I'm justified when it comes to that kind of personal abuse. ..
Ape, but not Ape
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Dennis
Better ?
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Ape
Your true loving friend,
Ape, but not Ape
"Dennis" <denn...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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Marylyn
era when the philosophy of Religion is contextual and culturally determined,
with the practitioners of such equally convinced they have the correct view
as those who went before... just one more step in the search for an
intellectual understanding of a spiritual experience (what IS and has been
throughout the history of humanity).