Talking with God

Naked Ape

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Oct 12, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/12/00

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Are you saying it's possible to have two-way conversations with God, which
to me would be a sign that the self-brainwashing would be complete? Ape;))

"Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message
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> This is something we will always disagree on. There certainly ARE people
who
> think they have faith, but have actually only "brainwashed themselves",
but
> there are also people of faith who have arrived at that place by means of
> "the journey". I believe that all the regulars here fall into the latter.
>
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> Naked Ape <Naked...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> > I hope you don't mind, Melanie, but I really disagree. When one has
faith
> > and thinks they are actually talking with God, they've brainwashed
> > themselves. .. Ape;)
> >
> > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message
> > news:8s2gbg$ivfj1$1...@ID-10218.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > Ape, FWIW, I don't think anyone on this ng is currently brainwashed. I
> > think
> > > some have been IN THE PAST, but are cured.
> > >
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Melanie

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I have no idea. My communications are not in the form of words:)

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John McEnery

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I have one of those conversations every morning..and then I come
here and carry on conversations with invisible, people most of
whom I shall never see in this lifetime.
A matter of degree
John
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John McEnery

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Good point...just las nite I read a paper on that by a Fransciscan
Theologian...and tho he does have a place for formal prayer..He
says that in personal prayer...words are inadequate...
I tend to agree.
John
***************************

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> I have no idea. My communications are not in the form of words:)
>

Melanie

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Well, that's not quite what I meant. Only time I ever heard God's "voice" it
was in a dream, but my "replies" do come. So often they are Butterflies. A
neat one.

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Naked Ape

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In a sense, I communicate with my 5 senses, but the 6th sense is the best,
for it (the mind) is the consciousness of Nature (God). .. Ape;))

Naked Ape

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Oct 12, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/12/00

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And direct experience, the kind where you just reach out and literally touch
the Divine which is everything, requires no dialogue. .. Ape;)

"John McEnery" <bigjohn...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> Good point...just las nite I read a paper on that by a Fransciscan
> Theologian...and tho he does have a place for formal prayer..He
> says that in personal prayer...words are inadequate...
> I tend to agree.
> John
> ***************************

nywgem

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Oct 12, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/12/00

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I decided to make another work shirt yesterday, and I found this wonderful,
100% cotton material, white, with huge, colorful butterflies.. actually,
they are many sized. :). I finished the shirt tonight, to wear tomorrow..
I hope the ladies enjoy it :)

Megwyn

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> Well, that's not quite what I meant. Only time I ever heard God's "voice"
it
> was in a dream, but my "replies" do come. So often they are Butterflies. A
> neat one.
>

Travis Morien

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Oct 13, 2000, 12:54:11 AM10/13/00

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Naked Ape <Naked...@email.msn.com> wrote:
: Are you saying it's possible to have two-way conversations with God, which

: to me would be a sign that the self-brainwashing would be complete? Ape;))

If you talk to God you are probably spiritual.

If you hear God talk to you, you are probably schitzophrenic.

*ducks* *runs*

Travis

Naked Ape

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I am spiritual, Travis, but I'd say that only that part of God that is
within the reach of my voice, which would include you reading this post,
hears my words. .. Ape;))

"Travis Morien" <pha...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au> wrote in message
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Marylyn

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I'd love to see it : )

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John McEnery

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(VBG)
It's a possibility...
It would depend on the consistency of his statements.
(g)
John
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fish

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I would love to be able to sew.

fish

> > --
> > Melanie, hard at work on:
> > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/4838
> >
> >
> >
> > John McEnery <bigjohn...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:8s520d$jc9gb$1...@ID-47389.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > Good point...just las nite I read a paper on that by a Fransciscan
> > > Theologian...and tho he does have a place for formal prayer..He
> > > says that in personal prayer...words are inadequate...
> > > I tend to agree.
> > > John
> > > ***************************

> > > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

> > > news:8s511f$j83ta$1...@ID-10218.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > I have no idea. My communications are not in the form of words:)
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Melanie, hard at work on:
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/4838
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Naked Ape <Naked...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:8s50qk$jf87t$1...@ID-10187.news.cis.dfn.de...

> > > > > Are you saying it's possible to have two-way conversations
> > > with God, which
> > > > > to me would be a sign that the self-brainwashing would be
> > > complete?
> > > > Ape;))
> > > > >

> > > > > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

> > > > > news:8s4egr$jg3vv$1...@ID-10218.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > > > This is something we will always disagree on. There
> > > certainly ARE people
> > > > > who
> > > > > > think they have faith, but have actually only "brainwashed
> > > themselves",
> > > > > but
> > > > > > there are also people of faith who have arrived at that
> > > place by means
> > > > of
> > > > > > "the journey". I believe that all the regulars here fall
> > > into the
> > > > latter.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Melanie, hard at work on:
> > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/4838
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Naked Ape <Naked...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:8s2q23$j5nf5$1...@ID-10187.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > > > > I hope you don't mind, Melanie, but I really disagree.
> > > When one has
> > > > > faith
> > > > > > > and thinks they are actually talking with God, they've
> > > brainwashed
> > > > > > > themselves. .. Ape;)
> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

Melanie

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COOL!

Melanie

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So learn:)

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> I would love to be able to sew.
>
> fish
>

Cyra

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sounds beautiful, Meggie, enjoy!!!

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K-girl

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There are other ways to speak other than talking. Take sign language for
example. ;-) God gives us many signs.

nywgem

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It's rather loud.. and it was a big hit :))

Megwyn

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> I'd love to see it : )
>

> "nywgem" <mjt2...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:8s6avd$jonjv$1...@ID-10142.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > I decided to make another work shirt yesterday, and I found this
> wonderful,
> > 100% cotton material, white, with huge, colorful butterflies.. actually,
> > they are many sized. :). I finished the shirt tonight, to wear
> tomorrow..
> > I hope the ladies enjoy it :)
> >
> > Megwyn
> >
> >

> > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

nywgem

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I am just learning.. this was my fifth uniform top.. the first two have been
turned into rags :) the third kept tearing on me, and I have not fixed it
yet, the fourth is almost worn out already :)

Megwyn..

nywgem

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I did :))

Megwyn

"Cyra" <cyraa...@my.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> sounds beautiful, Meggie, enjoy!!!
>
> --
> Cyra
> "We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
> A Cherokee Feast of Days
> http://www.thesacredgrove.com
> http://witch.drak.net/cyrascauldron

> "nywgem" <mjt2...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:8s6avd$jonjv$1...@ID-10142.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > I decided to make another work shirt yesterday, and I found this
> wonderful,
> > 100% cotton material, white, with huge, colorful butterflies.. actually,
> > they are many sized. :). I finished the shirt tonight, to wear
> tomorrow..
> > I hope the ladies enjoy it :)
> >
> > Megwyn
> >
> >
> > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message
> > news:8s538h$jf40h$1...@ID-10218.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > Well, that's not quite what I meant. Only time I ever heard God's
> "voice"
> > it
> > > was in a dream, but my "replies" do come. So often they are
Butterflies.
> A
> > > neat one.
> > >

> > > --
> > > Melanie, hard at work on:
> > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/4838
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > > John McEnery <bigjohn...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> > > news:8s520d$jc9gb$1...@ID-47389.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > Good point...just las nite I read a paper on that by a Fransciscan
> > > > Theologian...and tho he does have a place for formal prayer..He
> > > > says that in personal prayer...words are inadequate...
> > > > I tend to agree.
> > > > John
> > > > ***************************

> > > > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

> > > > news:8s511f$j83ta$1...@ID-10218.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > > I have no idea. My communications are not in the form of words:)
> > > > >

> > > > > --
> > > > > Melanie, hard at work on:
> > > > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/4838
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Naked Ape <Naked...@email.msn.com> wrote in message

> > > > > news:8s50qk$jf87t$1...@ID-10187.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > > > Are you saying it's possible to have two-way conversations
> > > > with God, which
> > > > > > to me would be a sign that the self-brainwashing would be
> > > > complete?
> > > > > Ape;))
> > > > > >

> > > > > > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

> > > > > > news:8s4egr$jg3vv$1...@ID-10218.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > > > > This is something we will always disagree on. There
> > > > certainly ARE people
> > > > > > who
> > > > > > > think they have faith, but have actually only "brainwashed
> > > > themselves",
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > there are also people of faith who have arrived at that
> > > > place by means
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > "the journey". I believe that all the regulars here fall
> > > > into the
> > > > > latter.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Melanie, hard at work on:
> > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/4838
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Naked Ape <Naked...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:8s2q23$j5nf5$1...@ID-10187.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > > > > > I hope you don't mind, Melanie, but I really disagree.
> > > > When one has
> > > > > > faith
> > > > > > > > and thinks they are actually talking with God, they've
> > > > brainwashed
> > > > > > > > themselves. .. Ape;)
> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

Marylyn

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I can imagine it was! I know I'd have liked it <g>.

"nywgem" <mjt2...@home.com> wrote in message

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> It's rather loud.. and it was a big hit :))
>
> Megwyn
>
>
> "Marylyn" <mmo...@cncnet.com> wrote in message
> news:8s6emk$jcbtm$1...@ID-10249.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > I'd love to see it : )
> >

Melanie

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OK, maybe you can explain these "uniforms" to me. I always thought the word
uniform meant "the same". I remember when nurses wore white dresses with
aprons and folded cardboard hats. Now they all wear pants and loose fitting
tops. BUT THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT. If they aren't uniform, why do they wear
"uniforms"?

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John McEnery

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Dont get me started (g)
John
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Cyra

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actually most just call them 'scrubs' and leave it at that, now days......
its uniform in that they must be 'scrubs' but thats about it... although
some places still have specific colours, types, etc.....

--
Cyra
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Melanie

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Go right ahead........

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> Dont get me started (g)
> John
> *********************

Melanie

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Well........

When I had my first two babies the midwives wore the typical white dresses
etc. When I went for my first check-up when expecting Sian the midwives were
in mufti. I asked why and she said it was a new directive, because pregnancy
wasn't an illness per se there was no requirement for them to be in nurse
attire except for white coats to designate their roles. It didn't catch on,
and by my next pregnancy they were back in white by popular demand, but it
HAD switched to pants and tops...like surgeon's outfits.

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Cyra <cyraa...@my.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> actually most just call them 'scrubs' and leave it at that, now days......
> its uniform in that they must be 'scrubs' but thats about it... although
> some places still have specific colours, types, etc.....
>
> --
> Cyra
> "We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
> A Cherokee Feast of Days
> http://www.thesacredgrove.com
> http://witch.drak.net/cyrascauldron

Cyra

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if i could pinpoint it - i'd say it started in the pediatric wards.... thats
where i 1st noticed the different ones anyway...... usually the motif on the
scrubs was children oriented, then came holidays.... but i'm not an expert
on it

--
Cyra
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Melanie

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OK, but WHY?

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John McEnery

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rmpf,mrmmm..nnenn...murmmm.
( duct tape...self applied)
John

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> Go right ahead........

>
> --
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>
>
>

> John McEnery <bigjohn...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> > Dont get me started (g)
> > John
> > *********************

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<gags>

You would not get me wearing 'starchy white'...<shudder>... white yes... but
why be limited to white.. actually, in the geriatric side of nursing, it's
preferable to wear bright colors.. the eyes.. easier on the eyes. :).
besides colors against white gives depth perception that tired eyes often
need...

I swear the all male white brother hood of olden times made sure all women
wore uncomfortable clothing.. when was the last time you saw a doctor in
'starched whites' with a ridiculous looking hat?.. or heels and hose???

I rest my case, we have evolved.. I don't know of any nurses who would
rather go back to the old days..

Megwyn

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> I'm with you as is Saint Mary ( the retired RN)...starchy white
> uniform ( in some cases white pants are appropriate) ..and
> distinctive cap ( indicating the school or branch of service) a
> pin worn on the uniform.
> That's a nurse
> John
> *******************************
>

> "fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> > Hey,
> > I'll say it for you. I want anyone who has license to stick
> things in me
> > (like needles) to be wearing white so I can see that it's clean.
> Paranoid me
> > thinks they wear these flowery clothes so I can't see the last
> patient's
> > blood (or worse) on it.
> >
> > fish
> >
> > "John McEnery" <bigjohn...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:8sb523$k38pr$1...@ID-47389.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > rmpf,mrmmm..nnenn...murmmm.
> > > ( duct tape...self applied)
> > > John
> > >

> > > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

> > > news:8sb2s9$fiucu$2...@ID-10218.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > Go right ahead........

> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Melanie, hard at work on:
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/4838
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

> > > > John McEnery <bigjohn...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:8sb272$jtep2$1...@ID-47389.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > > Dont get me started (g)
> > > > > John
> > > > > *********************

nywgem

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I've always believed that it started in geriatric.. but it makes sense both
ways.. If I remember I'll ask on of our RN's who's been in the business for
many years..

Megwyn

"Cyra" <cyraa...@my.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> if i could pinpoint it - i'd say it started in the pediatric wards....
thats
> where i 1st noticed the different ones anyway...... usually the motif on
the
> scrubs was children oriented, then came holidays.... but i'm not an expert
> on it
>
> --
> Cyra
> "We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
> A Cherokee Feast of Days
> http://www.thesacredgrove.com
> http://witch.drak.net/cyrascauldron

> "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

> news:8sb2td$fiucu$3...@ID-10218.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > Well........
> >
> > When I had my first two babies the midwives wore the typical white
dresses
> > etc. When I went for my first check-up when expecting Sian the midwives
> were
> > in mufti. I asked why and she said it was a new directive, because
> pregnancy
> > wasn't an illness per se there was no requirement for them to be in
nurse
> > attire except for white coats to designate their roles. It didn't catch
> on,
> > and by my next pregnancy they were back in white by popular demand, but
it
> > HAD switched to pants and tops...like surgeon's outfits.
> >

> > --
> > Melanie, hard at work on:
> > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/4838
> >
> >
> >

> > Cyra <cyraa...@my.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:8sb2hs$jc2vs$1...@ID-49111.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > actually most just call them 'scrubs' and leave it at that, now
> days......
> > > its uniform in that they must be 'scrubs' but thats about it...
although
> > > some places still have specific colours, types, etc.....
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cyra
> > > "We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
> > > A Cherokee Feast of Days
> > > http://www.thesacredgrove.com
> > > http://witch.drak.net/cyrascauldron

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That's no joke. Around here on the psych units the nurses wear jeans.
Supposed to make the patients feel "equal" but I imagine it can be pretty
disconcerting for those who are having problems with dementia or psychosis.

fish

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> I remember the discussions that went on and it did start in
> pediatrics.....at the time I thought it was misguided...because it
> isn't the uniform but the way a person acts that will scare a
> young child or make him feel comforted.
> The camel having gotten his nose in the tent...the rest of him has
> now followed and in some of the more "progressive " hospitals it's
> difficult to tell the patients from the nurses....especially on
> the psychiatric wards (joke)
> John
> ***********************

> "Cyra" <cyraa...@my.yahoo.com> wrote in message

> news:8sb7fn$jm76u$1...@ID-49111.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > well, and i'm totally guessing here, it was to make the nurses
> more
> > comfortable to the kiddies - less scary if the person is wearing
> a cartoon
> > character.....
> >

> > --
> > Cyra
> > "We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
> > A Cherokee Feast of Days
> > http://www.thesacredgrove.com
> > http://witch.drak.net/cyrascauldron
> > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

> > news:8sb372$jvs90$4...@ID-10218.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > OK, but WHY?

Melanie

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BLEARGH you have a point there.

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> Hey,
> I'll say it for you. I want anyone who has license to stick things in me
> (like needles) to be wearing white so I can see that it's clean. Paranoid
me
> thinks they wear these flowery clothes so I can't see the last patient's
> blood (or worse) on it.
>

> fish
>
> "John McEnery" <bigjohn...@email.msn.com> wrote in message

> news:8sb523$k38pr$1...@ID-47389.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > rmpf,mrmmm..nnenn...murmmm.
> > ( duct tape...self applied)
> > John
> >

> > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

> > news:8sb2s9$fiucu$2...@ID-10218.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > Go right ahead........

> > >
> > > --
> > > Melanie, hard at work on:
> > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/4838
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > > John McEnery <bigjohn...@email.msn.com> wrote in message

> > > news:8sb272$jtep2$1...@ID-47389.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > Dont get me started (g)
> > > > John
> > > > *********************

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No, and personally I'm not asking them to, for exactly the reasons you
describe, but why are they ALL DIFFERENT?

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> <gags>
>
> You would not get me wearing 'starchy white'...<shudder>... white yes...
but
> why be limited to white.. actually, in the geriatric side of nursing, it's
> preferable to wear bright colors.. the eyes.. easier on the eyes. :).
> besides colors against white gives depth perception that tired eyes often
> need...
>
> I swear the all male white brother hood of olden times made sure all women
> wore uncomfortable clothing.. when was the last time you saw a doctor in
> 'starched whites' with a ridiculous looking hat?.. or heels and hose???
>
> I rest my case, we have evolved.. I don't know of any nurses who would
> rather go back to the old days..
>
> Megwyn

> "John McEnery" <bigjohn...@email.msn.com> wrote in message

> news:8sb5uk$jsa93$1...@ID-47389.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > I'm with you as is Saint Mary ( the retired RN)...starchy white
> > uniform ( in some cases white pants are appropriate) ..and
> > distinctive cap ( indicating the school or branch of service) a
> > pin worn on the uniform.
> > That's a nurse
> > John
> > *******************************
> >

Melanie

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Hmm, possible, but why adults then?

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Cyra <cyraa...@my.yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> well, and i'm totally guessing here, it was to make the nurses more
> comfortable to the kiddies - less scary if the person is wearing a cartoon
> character.....
>
> --
> Cyra
> "We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
> A Cherokee Feast of Days
> http://www.thesacredgrove.com
> http://witch.drak.net/cyrascauldron

> "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

> news:8sb372$jvs90$4...@ID-10218.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > OK, but WHY?

> >
> > --
> > Melanie, hard at work on:
> > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/4838
> >
> >
> >

> > Cyra <cyraa...@my.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:8sb336$jr9jb$1...@ID-49111.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > if i could pinpoint it - i'd say it started in the pediatric wards....
> > thats
> > > where i 1st noticed the different ones anyway...... usually the motif
on
> > the
> > > scrubs was children oriented, then came holidays.... but i'm not an
> expert
> > > on it
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cyra
> > > "We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
> > > A Cherokee Feast of Days
> > > http://www.thesacredgrove.com
> > > http://witch.drak.net/cyrascauldron

> > > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

> > > news:8sb2td$fiucu$3...@ID-10218.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > Well........
> > > >
> > > > When I had my first two babies the midwives wore the typical white
> > dresses
> > > > etc. When I went for my first check-up when expecting Sian the
> midwives
> > > were
> > > > in mufti. I asked why and she said it was a new directive, because
> > > pregnancy
> > > > wasn't an illness per se there was no requirement for them to be in
> > nurse
> > > > attire except for white coats to designate their roles. It didn't
> catch
> > > on,
> > > > and by my next pregnancy they were back in white by popular demand,
> but
> > it
> > > > HAD switched to pants and tops...like surgeon's outfits.
> > > >

> > > > --
> > > > Melanie, hard at work on:
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/4838
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

> > > > Cyra <cyraa...@my.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:8sb2hs$jc2vs$1...@ID-49111.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > > actually most just call them 'scrubs' and leave it at that, now
> > > days......
> > > > > its uniform in that they must be 'scrubs' but thats about it...
> > although
> > > > > some places still have specific colours, types, etc.....
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Cyra
> > > > > "We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
> > > > > A Cherokee Feast of Days
> > > > > http://www.thesacredgrove.com
> > > > > http://witch.drak.net/cyrascauldron

Melanie

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I find it confusing. And I'm young:)

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nywgem <mjt2...@home.com> wrote in message

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> basically what nurses wear now are called 'scrubs'..
>
> The are basic cotton, cotton/poly material.. most are white with colors,
> they are basic t-tunic, large front pockets and usually V necked.. The
> pants are loose fitting, usually elastic waist.. comfortable, cool and
> colorful :)
>
> IMO the elderly enjoy the vivid colors..
>
> Megwyn
>

nywgem

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Well, thank heavens they are! Or I could not have worn a butterfly one and
made people smile..

What's wrong with unique?

Megwyn

"Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

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> No, and personally I'm not asking them to, for exactly the reasons you
> describe, but why are they ALL DIFFERENT?
>

> --
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>
>
>
> nywgem <mjt2...@home.com> wrote in message

> > > "fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> > > news:8sb5nv$jgdoo$1...@ID-10324.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > Hey,
> > > > I'll say it for you. I want anyone who has license to stick
> > > things in me
> > > > (like needles) to be wearing white so I can see that it's clean.
> > > Paranoid me
> > > > thinks they wear these flowery clothes so I can't see the last
> > > patient's
> > > > blood (or worse) on it.
> > > >
> > > > fish
> > > >
> > > > "John McEnery" <bigjohn...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:8sb523$k38pr$1...@ID-47389.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > > rmpf,mrmmm..nnenn...murmmm.
> > > > > ( duct tape...self applied)
> > > > > John
> > > > >

> > > > > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

> > > > > news:8sb2s9$fiucu$2...@ID-10218.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > > > Go right ahead........

> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Melanie, hard at work on:
> > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/4838
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >

> > > > > > John McEnery <bigjohn...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:8sb272$jtep2$1...@ID-47389.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > > > > Dont get me started (g)
> > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > *********************

John McEnery

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Historically the Nurses Uniform was woman inspired and directed...
and rightfully so...for the sanitary reasons already mentioned....
Scrubs are appropriate in their place...the OR or lab....
and in Pediatrics and possibly Geriatrics the flowery or whatever
tops have a place.....but generally , I'm more comfortable with
Nurses (RNs and LPNs) in white.
John...old, crotchety and "sot in his ways"...but knows a lot
about hospital life...from both sides.
and is still convinced that the Healing sorority are all close
cousins to Melanie.....even the ones who dont know it....
***********************************************

Melanie

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Most modern Witches wear white coats when doing anything that needs a
sterile environment, and ritual garb only if the healing is of a wholly
Spiritual nature. I see a compromise in white scrubs, or at least all in the
SAME "colourful" scrubs. When I walk into a hospital I want to know at a
glance who the medical staff are.

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As do I.
My reference to you and RNS came from when I was I was in the
hospital ( that tearing Auuerysm) and wandering in and out of
never-never land.
I became convinced ( probably dredging it up out of my sub-
conscious) that the Hospital had a good side and a bad side and
that there was a sorority of Good Witches (nurses) and one of bad
witches (nurses)
When I came out of it and became a medical problem again the
nurses would kid me about calling for a "witch" when others would
call for a "nurse"

How many are aware that there is a "hidden" network of corridors
in many modern hospitals accessable only to staff through those
elevators that have two doors... I saw the public side as the Good
and the closed side as the "Bad" one.

John...who knows personally what "crazy" really means and it is
quite close to "sane"
**************************************

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You may have been right:)

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Eve

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The nurses in my Mom's cancer ward wore a variety of colored blouses -
there were several different designs but they were clearly staff
garments. I think they wore them to be cheerful - maybe not a bad idea
in such a place . . .

Eve

Cyra <cyraa...@my.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> if i could pinpoint it - i'd say it started in the pediatric
wards.... thats
> where i 1st noticed the different ones anyway...... usually the
motif on the
> scrubs was children oriented, then came holidays.... but i'm not an
expert
> on it
>
> --
> Cyra
> "We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
> A Cherokee Feast of Days
> http://www.thesacredgrove.com
> http://witch.drak.net/cyrascauldron

> "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

> news:8sb2td$fiucu$3...@ID-10218.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > Well........
> >
> > When I had my first two babies the midwives wore the typical white
dresses
> > etc. When I went for my first check-up when expecting Sian the
midwives
> were
> > in mufti. I asked why and she said it was a new directive, because
> pregnancy
> > wasn't an illness per se there was no requirement for them to be
in nurse
> > attire except for white coats to designate their roles. It didn't
catch
> on,
> > and by my next pregnancy they were back in white by popular
demand, but it
> > HAD switched to pants and tops...like surgeon's outfits.
> >

> > --
> > Melanie, hard at work on:
> > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/4838
> >
> >
> >

> > Cyra <cyraa...@my.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:8sb2hs$jc2vs$1...@ID-49111.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > actually most just call them 'scrubs' and leave it at that, now
> days......
> > > its uniform in that they must be 'scrubs' but thats about it...
although
> > > some places still have specific colours, types, etc.....
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cyra
> > > "We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
> > > A Cherokee Feast of Days
> > > http://www.thesacredgrove.com
> > > http://witch.drak.net/cyrascauldron

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Not objecting to cheerfulness but for me it can go too far. It may just be
me but the ornate decorations in some hospital areas, thought to be
"sensitive", which would obviously include the cancer wards, sometimes have
the opposite effect. Several times I've visted friends in such places and it
was as if they were ALREADY in the funeral home, with the flower
arrangements etc. The blandness of some of the artwork reminds of someone
saying "there, there" while offering no real solace. This is hard to
explain. Hope someone understands what I'm saying. When my Mom was
hospitalized after an overdose they put her into a psychiatric ward which
was very BLAND, "coffee table" art, elevator muzak, harmonious colour
schemes, carefuly chosen bland books, bland TV. She said it made her FAR
more depressed!

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because adults tend to become childlike when in the hosp? that i don't know

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A Cherokee Feast of Days
http://www.thesacredgrove.com
http://witch.drak.net/cyrascauldron
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> Hmm, possible, but why adults then?
>

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>
>
>
> Cyra <cyraa...@my.yahoo.com> wrote in message

> news:8sb7fn$jm76u$1...@ID-49111.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > well, and i'm totally guessing here, it was to make the nurses more
> > comfortable to the kiddies - less scary if the person is wearing a
cartoon
> > character.....
> >

> > --
> > Cyra
> > "We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to Be"
> > A Cherokee Feast of Days
> > http://www.thesacredgrove.com
> > http://witch.drak.net/cyrascauldron
> > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

> > news:8sb372$jvs90$4...@ID-10218.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > OK, but WHY?

kitty

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most have to buy their own uniforms, and many rotate from assignment to
assignment. not many of us would have to have two or three separate
wardrobes for work, depending on what we were doing that day.

"Eve" <eli...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The nurses in my Mom's cancer ward wore a variety of colored blouses -
> there were several different designs but they were clearly staff
> garments. I think they wore them to be cheerful - maybe not a bad idea
> in such a place . . .
>
> Eve
>

Melanie

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It comes down to personal preference in the end, like most things, and you
can't please all the people all the time.

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Yes!!!!!
John
False cheerfulness reminds me of some of those smiling "refinance
your loan and save money" types who oil their way across the TV
screen.
Business like honesty should be the key as far as I am
concerned....A cancer ward is a CANCER ward for crying out
loud...not a stay at a vacation condo.
John
************************

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> Not objecting to cheerfulness but for me it can go too far. It
may just be
> me but the ornate decorations in some hospital areas, thought to
be
> "sensitive", which would obviously include the cancer wards,
sometimes have
> the opposite effect. Several times I've visted friends in such
places and it
> was as if they were ALREADY in the funeral home, with the flower
> arrangements etc. The blandness of some of the artwork reminds
of someone
> saying "there, there" while offering no real solace. This is
hard to
> explain. Hope someone understands what I'm saying. When my Mom
was
> hospitalized after an overdose they put her into a psychiatric
ward which
> was very BLAND, "coffee table" art, elevator muzak, harmonious
colour
> schemes, carefuly chosen bland books, bland TV. She said it made
her FAR
> more depressed!
>

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>
>
>

Melanie

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It's not a question of being false so much as creating new associations. For
me silk flower arrangements will always make me think of funerals. This
isn't a problem as I don't like them anyway. But do I want a bunch of other
stuff to become inextricably associated with disease? I'm very archetypal.
If I see enough nurses wearing floral tops, I'll start to associate floral
tops with disease.

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yes, but again, where's the happy medium? what might be great artwork to
one will be insufferable to another.

I understand what you mean, i truly do. but my point is based on what works
for the greatest number of people. if you have someone who is very
agitated, you don't want to fill the room with things and colors which will
increase agitation. Yes, i agree that most hospital rooms and wards are
depressing as heck -- and yes, i hate "bland". But you also have to
consider that it is an institution, not supposed to be totally like the
environment the patient came from -- you'd be changing decors every time a
patient came or went.

I've seen some hospice rooms that are very home-like, but they will never
substitute for "home".

Melanie

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But that's just it, I wouldn't want it to look like home! I want it to look
like a hospital. I think I'm in a minority here and ought to shut up.

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I have "thing: about stuff like "This wont hurt a bit"...or "just
a little sting" or "How are "we" feeling today?"

When I am seriously ill, I want professional *attention* I want
staff who are professional..and for Nurses that does include
"caring"...I dont want over familiarity, nor do I want long drawn
soulful expressions.
Just good solid caring professional attention to my needs...I dont
expect the food to be great...but I want hot things hot, cold
things cold and a clean tray..... I want my Meds on time and done
with professional care.
In other words I want help in the process of getting better...not
a false gushy friendliness. I'm "John" after a person gets to know
me and that takes more than a 4-5 day hospital stay....I will
never be real close with anyone male or female who is inserting a
catheter or a gastric tube (friends dont do those things to
friends ....at least not in my social circle)

Nursing is an art as well as a profession.... but it is also a
profession as well as an art.
John
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i guess some of it depends upon the situation...... one of my hospital stays
was very traumatic to me.... the nurse that held me as i cried did more than
anyone else could've done.........

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Ah, I think we may be getting somewhere now. Professional, yes, that's it.
Now I DON'T require starched stuff, I like people to be comfortable when
they work (they work better that way). But I don't like over-familiarity
until I've initiated it. My doctor called me Melanie ONCE so I called him
Doug. Now we're back to Mrs Boxall and Dr Wheeler. His excuse was that we're
the same age. As an alternative healer I call people what they wish to be
called, for some that IS their first name. I introduce myself by mine. My
son Tom's teacher introduced herself to me as Angie, then proceeded to call
ME Mrs Boxall. This appears to be standard now. I write letters to Mrs
Cotteril, and this is expected. I have a friend who refers to all teachers
by their first names. She doesn't get it.

As to medics who say "THIS WON'T HURT" and lie, especially to children, I
have zero respect. I figured out early on that if you want the truth you
have to make that very plain.

My doctor has also learned NOT to say "How are you?" when I visit him:)

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one of my dr's calls me Kandy, but as he's been my dr since i was 13 i
understand..... the others call me Mrs. Dorey.... which in a way is weird to
me.......

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I mind it more if they don't know me, that's very true.

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Southerners have been calling people "Miz" for years -- not as a separate
category (outside of Mrs. or Miss) but sort of as a friendly honorific that
really doesn't specify whether the "Miz" is Miss, Mrs. or whatever.

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we had windows, true. and the psych ward next door complete with patients
banging their beds against the walls at all hours.

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I think that's fine so long as they restrict it to other Southerners.

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Oh great choice of location!

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i have enough of an accent left that you'd feel relatively natural with it
in a bit. but i don't think i'd ever have reason to address you by your
formal name, would i? :D somehow, you've always been Melanie to me. :)

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Because it's what you are used to, like kitty says, it's part of your
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Well quite!

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most hospitals are also letting the father or a grandparent go with the
baby, unless there are complications......there lately seems to be a
positive move to correcting the potential for mistakes or kidnappings.....

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Good.

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True. back then it was standard procedure. but back then there were fewer
kidnappings from hospitals than there are now. and a lot of things are a
bit more enlightened.

although i don't subscribe to "drive through" deliveries.

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They're also..moving awary from the "scientific" model of caring
for children and back toward a more natural "maternal" model.
John
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When I'm in Florida I get called "Miz Marylyn" by all the teenagers. It's
kind of delightful, actually : )

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Even better.

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Unless on demand.

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If I wasn't feeling up to par, I think I'd prefer to see someone in a
butterfly shirt she made herself. fwiw, ymmv, but that's what I would like

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> Well, thank heavens they are! Or I could not have worn a butterfly one and
> made people smile..
>
> What's wrong with unique?
>
> Megwyn

>
>
> "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

> news:8sca7r$jshib$2...@ID-10218.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > No, and personally I'm not asking them to, for exactly the reasons you
> > describe, but why are they ALL DIFFERENT?

> >
> > --
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> >
> >
> >
> > nywgem <mjt2...@home.com> wrote in message

> > news:8sbhon$jun8c$1...@ID-10142.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > <gags>
> > >
> > > You would not get me wearing 'starchy white'...<shudder>... white
yes...
> > but
> > > why be limited to white.. actually, in the geriatric side of nursing,
> it's
> > > preferable to wear bright colors.. the eyes.. easier on the eyes. :).
> > > besides colors against white gives depth perception that tired eyes
> often
> > > need...
> > >
> > > I swear the all male white brother hood of olden times made sure all
> women
> > > wore uncomfortable clothing.. when was the last time you saw a doctor
in
> > > 'starched whites' with a ridiculous looking hat?.. or heels and
hose???
> > >
> > > I rest my case, we have evolved.. I don't know of any nurses who would
> > > rather go back to the old days..
> > >
> > > Megwyn

> > > "John McEnery" <bigjohn...@email.msn.com> wrote in message

> > > news:8sb5uk$jsa93$1...@ID-47389.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > I'm with you as is Saint Mary ( the retired RN)...starchy white
> > > > uniform ( in some cases white pants are appropriate) ..and
> > > > distinctive cap ( indicating the school or branch of service) a
> > > > pin worn on the uniform.
> > > > That's a nurse
> > > > John
> > > > *******************************

> > > >
> > > > "fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> > > > news:8sb5nv$jgdoo$1...@ID-10324.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > > Hey,
> > > > > I'll say it for you. I want anyone who has license to stick
> > > > things in me
> > > > > (like needles) to be wearing white so I can see that it's clean.
> > > > Paranoid me
> > > > > thinks they wear these flowery clothes so I can't see the last
> > > > patient's
> > > > > blood (or worse) on it.
> > > > >
> > > > > fish

> > > > >
> > > > > "John McEnery" <bigjohn...@email.msn.com> wrote in message

> > > > > news:8sb523$k38pr$1...@ID-47389.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > > > rmpf,mrmmm..nnenn...murmmm.
> > > > > > ( duct tape...self applied)
> > > > > > John

> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

> > > > > > news:8sb2s9$fiucu$2...@ID-10218.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > > > > Go right ahead........

> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Melanie, hard at work on:
> > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/4838
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > John McEnery <bigjohn...@email.msn.com> wrote in message

> > > > > > > news:8sb272$jtep2$1...@ID-47389.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > > > > > Dont get me started (g)
> > > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > > *********************

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There's NOTHING wrong with unique. But look up the dictionary definition of
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That's what our hospital used to look like... pea green. I wonder what
people were thinking of in those days? And there were no geckoes : )

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> sounds like the maternity ward i was on when i had my son. no tv, no
radio,
> walls sort of pea-green, no fake flowers, no pictures on the wall.
>
> for entertainment, we did have two geckoes on the trying to reproduce.
> they'd get so far and fall off only to climb back up the wall and resume.
> it amused us for a couple of hours. that was one of the bright spots of
> that little 5-day hospital jaunt.
>

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> > Personal taste, like truth is not subject to a majority vote.
> > Besides..when you are right...you are right
> > John
> > **********************************

> > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

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> > > But that's just it, I wouldn't want it to look like home! I want
> > it to look
> > > like a hospital. I think I'm in a minority here and ought to
> > shut up.
> > >

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> > >
> > >
> > >

> > > > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

> > > > > --
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >

> > > > > > > "Melanie" <chov...@india.com> wrote in message

> > > > > > > news:8sb2td$fiucu$3...@ID-10218.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > > > > > Well........
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > When I had my first two babies the midwives wore the
> > typical white
> > > > > > dresses
> > > > > > > > etc. When I went for my first check-up when expecting
> > Sian the
> > > > > > midwives
> > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > in mufti. I asked why and she said it was a new
> > directive, because
> > > > > > > pregnancy
> > > > > > > > wasn't an illness per se there was no requirement for
> > them to be
> > > > > > in nurse
> > > > > > > > attire except for white coats to designate their
> > roles. It didn't
> > > > > > catch
> > > > > > > on,
> > > > > > > > and by my next pregnancy they were back in white by
> > popular
> > > > > > demand, but it
> > > > > > > > HAD switched to pants and tops...like surgeon's
> > outfits.
> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Cyra <cyraa...@my.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:8sb2hs$jc2vs$1...@ID-49111.news.cis.dfn.de...
> > > > > > > > > actually most just call them 'scrubs' and leave it
> > at that, now
> > > > > > > days......
> > > > > > > > > its uniform in that they must be 'scrubs' but thats
> > about it...
> > > > > > although
> > > > > > > > > some places still have specific colours, types,
> > etc.....
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Cyra
> > > > > > > > > "We can only be what we give ourselves the Power to
> > Be"
> > > > > > > > > A Cherokee Feast of Days
> > > > > > > > > http://www.thesacredgrove.com
> > > > > > > > > http://witch.drak.net/cyrascauldron

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Whether it was subconscious or not green is the colour of healing.

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this was kinda the color of whirled peas......
rather sick-making rather than soothing, imvho

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This wasn't a pleasant green at all. It looked kind of dirty to me. I was
never in the hospital more than 24 hours with any of mine though... less
than in fact, so I didn't have to endure the ugly green for long : )

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> Whether it was subconscious or not green is the colour of healing.
>

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OK, why is green paint cheaper?

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Volume buying is always cheaper when bidding is involved.....and a
lot of that institutional green paint ( also used in a lot of
schools) has a comparatively low dye content ( where the cost is)
John
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