AFTER 8 YEARS OF BUSH LIES and Cheney pipedreams and bullshit bubbles, "America" surely doesn't need 4 to 8 more years of congenital liar HILLARY CLINTON in the White House with her red-faced, well-suckled, dishonorable husband.
Nick...@Click.com wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2008 08:53:06 -0700 (PDT), Perry Neheum > <perryneh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> AFTER 8 YEARS OF BUSH LIES and Cheney pipedreams and bullshit bubbles, >> "America" surely doesn't need 4 to 8 more years of congenital liar >> HILLARY CLINTON in the White House with her red-faced, well-suckled, >> dishonorable husband.
> Except you cannot name ANY "lie" that the Clintons have > told that could remotely compare to the lies of Ronnie > Raygun, Bush 1, and your present miserable lying > sonofabitch Bush 2
Oh, so we admit she IS a liar? I guess the dispute now is just how BIG a liar she is!! So using your technique, if I compare Reagan to someone else in history, he too would come out to be acceptable in your eyes??
Admit it, people do NOT like her for many reasons. Lying is just one of them. You keep hoping that the over 50% of the population who said they would not vote for her regardless of her opponent will change. Go ahead, put her on the ticket with Obama. You will then have a racist running with a lying, obsessively ambitious liberal as vice president. That is like putting lipstick on a pig (no pun intended) and hoping someone thinks it is a movie star.
> All presidents "lie"----except the hypocrisy, racism, > greed, and self-serving lies of the last 3 republicans > has exceeded any known quantity of sleaze.
Nick...@Click.com wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:48:38 -0600, Ken > <k...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Nick...@Click.com wrote: >>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 08:53:06 -0700 (PDT), Perry Neheum >>> <perryneh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> AFTER 8 YEARS OF BUSH LIES and Cheney pipedreams and bullshit bubbles, >>>> "America" surely doesn't need 4 to 8 more years of congenital liar >>>> HILLARY CLINTON in the White House with her red-faced, well-suckled, >>>> dishonorable husband. >>> Except you cannot name ANY "lie" that the Clintons have >>> told that could remotely compare to the lies of Ronnie >>> Raygun, Bush 1, and your present miserable lying >>> sonofabitch Bush 2 >> Oh, so we admit she IS a liar?
> Oh, so you admit that reagan was a bigger liar?
> ....and committed perjury to boot?
I am sorry, I had forgotten that she experienced shell shock in Bosnia and is still suffering from it. Of course that was after "she testified in 1996 about her work for Madison, Mrs. Clinton said on 99 occasions that she was unable to recall what she might have done." Could that have been an example of perjury???? America wants to know.
>> In the case of the two 1985 Israeli arms transfers, President Reagan >> knew from the outset that he was acting in conflict with his own >> announced policies of not rewarding hostage takers and of not selling >> arms to nations sponsoring terrorism. He knew this activity was >> politically and legally questionable.52 Two of his principal advisers, >> Secretary of Defense Casper W. Weinberger and Secretary of State >> Shultz, both opposed the initiative for those and other reasons. >> Nonetheless, the President decided to proceed, and he directed >> that Congress not be notified.53
Nick...@Click.com wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2008 13:48:30 -0600, Ken > <k...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Nick...@Click.com wrote: >>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:48:38 -0600, Ken >>> <k...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> Nick...@Click.com wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 08:53:06 -0700 (PDT), Perry Neheum >>>>> <perryneh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> AFTER 8 YEARS OF BUSH LIES and Cheney pipedreams and bullshit bubbles, >>>>>> "America" surely doesn't need 4 to 8 more years of congenital liar >>>>>> HILLARY CLINTON in the White House with her red-faced, well-suckled, >>>>>> dishonorable husband. >>>>> Except you cannot name ANY "lie" that the Clintons have >>>>> told that could remotely compare to the lies of Ronnie >>>>> Raygun, Bush 1, and your present miserable lying >>>>> sonofabitch Bush 2 >>>> Oh, so we admit she IS a liar? >>> Oh, so you admit that reagan was a bigger liar?
>>> ....and committed perjury to boot? >> I am sorry, I had forgotten that she experienced shell shock in Bosnia >> and is still suffering from it.
> "Sorry" isn't the word for somone who launches tirades > against a political opponent using a sham set of > "principles" that never seem to apply to your own > choice of politician
> It's called HYPOCRISY
>> Of course that was after "she testified >> in 1996 about her work for Madison, Mrs. Clinton said on 99 occasions >> that she was unable to recall what she might have done." Could that >> have been an example of perjury???? America wants to know.
> No, that's not an example of "perjury", KENLOON
Again I am sorry, for I thought telling a lie while under oath was perjury? I guess YOU have a different definition of the word "Perjury."
> It may well be a very good case of evasion, or (I > believe) "Stick it in your ass" replies to a smear > campaign that had little or nothing to do with the > original issue.
> OTOH, when Reagan said "I don't remember" 144+ times in > sworn testimony, he was contradicted by FACTS and > EVIDENCE to the contrary (by North, McFarland, and his > appointees)---FORCING him to appear on TV and admit he > LIED (under oath---which IS perjury)
I am not sure of the claim you made of 144 times saying "I don't remember." But the man DID die with Alzheimer's. Could it be that he truly did not remember??? On the other hand, Hillary is running for the office of President of the U.S. Either she is lying (which is where I would place my bet) or she is seriously impaired. Either of which would disqualify her for the office.
> Any "lie" told by Clintons is/was not comparable and > therefore a non-issue with Americans
I noticed that you did not address the fact that over 50% of the voting public would not vote for Hillary under any circumstances. Perhaps you too have Alzheimer's??? I would suggest you seek medical attention, for I do not see Hillary's free medical plan for those who do not want to buy it becoming law.
> That it is for YOU----is self-evident testimony of what > a stupid cocksucker you are for using a set of > "principles" that have no basis in use.
Lastly, you can always tell when your opponent has been beaten in a discussion. He starts using vulgarity because he has run out of facts. As I said before: I would suggest you take ALL available laxatives, for it is obvious that the shit level has reached your brain.
Ken wrote: > Nick...@Click.com wrote: >> On Wed, 14 May 2008 13:48:30 -0600, Ken >> <k...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> Nick...@Click.com wrote: >>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:48:38 -0600, Ken >>>> <k...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>> Nick...@Click.com wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 08:53:06 -0700 (PDT), Perry Neheum >>>>>> <perryneh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> AFTER 8 YEARS OF BUSH LIES and Cheney pipedreams and bullshit >>>>>>> bubbles, "America" surely doesn't need 4 to 8 more years of >>>>>>> congenital liar HILLARY CLINTON in the White House with her >>>>>>> red-faced, well-suckled, dishonorable husband. >>>>>> Except you cannot name ANY "lie" that the Clintons have >>>>>> told that could remotely compare to the lies of Ronnie >>>>>> Raygun, Bush 1, and your present miserable lying >>>>>> sonofabitch Bush 2 >>>>> Oh, so we admit she IS a liar? >>>> Oh, so you admit that reagan was a bigger liar?
>>>> ....and committed perjury to boot? >>> I am sorry, I had forgotten that she experienced shell shock in >>> Bosnia and is still suffering from it.
>> "Sorry" isn't the word for somone who launches tirades >> against a political opponent using a sham set of >> "principles" that never seem to apply to your own >> choice of politician
>> It's called HYPOCRISY
>>> Of course that was after "she testified >>> in 1996 about her work for Madison, Mrs. Clinton said on 99 >>> occasions that she was unable to recall what she might have done." >>> Could that have been an example of perjury???? America wants to >>> know.
>> No, that's not an example of "perjury", KENLOON
> Again I am sorry, for I thought telling a lie while under oath was > perjury?
Lamont Cranston wrote: > Ken wrote: >> Nick...@Click.com wrote: >>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 13:48:30 -0600, Ken >>> <k...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> Nick...@Click.com wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:48:38 -0600, Ken >>>>> <k...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Nick...@Click.com wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 08:53:06 -0700 (PDT), Perry Neheum >>>>>>> <perryneh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> AFTER 8 YEARS OF BUSH LIES and Cheney pipedreams and bullshit >>>>>>>> bubbles, "America" surely doesn't need 4 to 8 more years of >>>>>>>> congenital liar HILLARY CLINTON in the White House with her >>>>>>>> red-faced, well-suckled, dishonorable husband. >>>>>>> Except you cannot name ANY "lie" that the Clintons have >>>>>>> told that could remotely compare to the lies of Ronnie >>>>>>> Raygun, Bush 1, and your present miserable lying >>>>>>> sonofabitch Bush 2 >>>>>> Oh, so we admit she IS a liar? >>>>> Oh, so you admit that reagan was a bigger liar?
>>>>> ....and committed perjury to boot? >>>> I am sorry, I had forgotten that she experienced shell shock in >>>> Bosnia and is still suffering from it.
>>> "Sorry" isn't the word for somone who launches tirades >>> against a political opponent using a sham set of >>> "principles" that never seem to apply to your own >>> choice of politician
>>> It's called HYPOCRISY
>>>> Of course that was after "she testified >>>> in 1996 about her work for Madison, Mrs. Clinton said on 99 >>>> occasions that she was unable to recall what she might have done." >>>> Could that have been an example of perjury???? America wants to >>>> know.
>>> No, that's not an example of "perjury", KENLOON
>> Again I am sorry, for I thought telling a lie while under oath was >> perjury?
> That is not the definition of perjury.
Listed below is what YourDictionary.com says. If you disagree with my definition, just what is YOUR defintion????
Synonyms · Law Definition · Usage Examples
perjury Definition
per·jury (pʉr′jə rē)
noun pl. -·ries
1. the willful telling of a lie while under lawful oath or affirmation to tell the truth in a matter material to the point of inquiry 2. the breaking of any oath or formal promise
Ken wrote: > Lamont Cranston wrote: >> Ken wrote: >>> Nick...@Click.com wrote: >>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 13:48:30 -0600, Ken >>>> <k...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>> Nick...@Click.com wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:48:38 -0600, Ken >>>>>> <k...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Nick...@Click.com wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 08:53:06 -0700 (PDT), Perry Neheum >>>>>>>> <perryneh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> AFTER 8 YEARS OF BUSH LIES and Cheney pipedreams and bullshit >>>>>>>>> bubbles, "America" surely doesn't need 4 to 8 more years of >>>>>>>>> congenital liar HILLARY CLINTON in the White House with her >>>>>>>>> red-faced, well-suckled, dishonorable husband. >>>>>>>> Except you cannot name ANY "lie" that the Clintons have >>>>>>>> told that could remotely compare to the lies of Ronnie >>>>>>>> Raygun, Bush 1, and your present miserable lying >>>>>>>> sonofabitch Bush 2 >>>>>>> Oh, so we admit she IS a liar? >>>>>> Oh, so you admit that reagan was a bigger liar?
>>>>>> ....and committed perjury to boot? >>>>> I am sorry, I had forgotten that she experienced shell shock in >>>>> Bosnia and is still suffering from it.
>>>> "Sorry" isn't the word for somone who launches tirades >>>> against a political opponent using a sham set of >>>> "principles" that never seem to apply to your own >>>> choice of politician
>>>> It's called HYPOCRISY
>>>>> Of course that was after "she testified >>>>> in 1996 about her work for Madison, Mrs. Clinton said on 99 >>>>> occasions that she was unable to recall what she might have done." >>>>> Could that have been an example of perjury???? America wants to >>>>> know.
>>>> No, that's not an example of "perjury", KENLOON
>>> Again I am sorry, for I thought telling a lie while under oath was >>> perjury?
>> That is not the definition of perjury.
> Listed below is what YourDictionary.com says. If you disagree with my > definition, just what is YOUR defintion????
The Model Penal Code, which has been adopted in some form by many states and promulgated by the Commission on Uniform State Laws, also sets forth the following basic elements for the crime of perjury: (1) a false statement is made under oath or equivalent affirmation during a judicial proceeding; (2) the statement must be material or relevant to the proceeding; and (3) the witness must have the Specific Intent to deceive.
> 1. the willful telling of a lie while under lawful oath or > affirmation to tell the truth in a matter material to the point of > inquiry 2. the breaking of any oath or formal promise
Nick...@Click.com wrote: > On Thu, 15 May 2008 12:09:44 -0600, Ken > <k...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Lamont Cranston wrote: >>> Ken wrote: >>>> Nick...@Click.com wrote:
>>>>> "Sorry" isn't the word for somone who launches tirades >>>>> against a political opponent using a sham set of >>>>> "principles" that never seem to apply to your own >>>>> choice of politician
>>>>> It's called HYPOCRISY
>>>>>> Of course that was after "she testified >>>>>> in 1996 about her work for Madison, Mrs. Clinton said on 99 >>>>>> occasions that she was unable to recall what she might have done." >>>>>> Could that have been an example of perjury???? America wants to >>>>>> know. >>>>> No, that's not an example of "perjury", KENLOON >>>> Again I am sorry, for I thought telling a lie while under oath was >>>> perjury? >>> That is not the definition of perjury.
> Sorry, still does'nt qualify as "perjury", KENLOON
>> Listed below is what YourDictionary.com says. If you disagree with my >> definition, just what is YOUR defintion????
> Perjury is the "willful and corrupt taking of a false > oath in regard to a material matter in a judicial > proceeding". It is sometimes called "lying under oath"; > that is, deliberately telling a lie in a courtroom > proceeding after having taken an oath to tell the > truth.
> It is important that the false statement be material > to the case at hand—that it Could affect the outcome of > the case. It is not considered perjury, for example, to > lie about your age, unless your age is a key factor in > proving the case.
> Perjury can be used as a threat. Although it is a very > serious crime under state and Federal laws, and while > prosecutors often threaten prosecution, the number of > actual prosecutions for perjury is tiny.
> Perjury prosecutions stemming from civil lawsuits are > particularly rare. This is because it is difficult to > prove that someone is intentionally misstating a > material fact, rather than simply testifying honestly > from faulty memory.
>> 1. the willful telling of a lie while under lawful oath or >> affirmation to tell the truth in a matter material to the point of inquiry >> 2. the breaking of any oath or formal promise
> Now then, KENLOON
> 1) The "lie" in a CIVIL case of Jones v Clinton was > NOT (repeat not) "material to her case".
> 2) the Denial of "sexual relations": a) bore no bearing > on Jones's Case, b) was in response to a NON-LEGAL > definition concocted by Jones Attorneys and Clinton > made the denial believing he was correct.
> 3) The "Denial" was pointedly in reference to a > NON-LEGAL definition of "Sexual relations" (offered by > Jones attorneys)---Judge Wright explaining that Clinton > "Had a right" to make that denial
> 4) Was a "RIGHT" accorded Clinton (to deny) after Jones > was warned that he (clinton) had a LEGAL RIGHT to > challenge a NEW definition of "sexual relations" in a > court of law.
> OTOH, Reagan KNEW that North, etal, was selling arms to > Iran, Knew that the operation was underway, Aided and > abetted the subversion of constitutional government by > withholding (lying in congressional testimony by his > staff) and later ADMITTED knowing it was happening. He > "Forgot" he knew all those things---until they were > caught---at which time he went on TV and acknowledege > HE DID KNOW.
Dear Click,
I hope for your sake that the free medical care that the Democrats want passes, because you are apparently suffering from Attention Deficit Disorder. I was talking about Hillary when I said: "I am sorry, I had forgotten that she experienced shell shock in Bosnia and is still suffering from it. Of course that was after "she testified in 1996 about her work for Madison, Mrs. Clinton said on 99 occasions that she was unable to recall what she might have done." Could that have been an example of perjury???? America wants to know."
Why you feel it necessary to change the subject, leave out a question that was in reply to one of your points, or redefine the history books, is anyone's guess. Mine is you cannot handle the "Here and now" and want to go back to the time when people thought you knew what you were talking about. Since you are a Hillary fan, it makes the puzzle easier to understand for those of us the do not lie.
Lastly you seem to enjoy the episode where "Slick" took out his penis and asked a resident of Arkansas to kiss it. In your neighborhood or state that might be acting cool, but unfortunately not everyone, everywhere thinks it is cool. Here they think it is perverted even if you try to lie your way out of it by redefining the definition of a word.
>> In the case of the two 1985 Israeli arms transfers, President Reagan >> knew from the outset that he was acting in conflict with his own >> announced policies of not rewarding hostage takers and of not selling >> arms to nations sponsoring terrorism. He knew this activity was >> politically and legally questionable.52 Two of his principal advisers, >> Secretary of Defense Casper W. Weinberger and Secretary of State >> Shultz, both opposed the initiative for those and other reasons. >> Nonetheless, the President decided to proceed, and he directed >> that Congress not be notified.53
