=> Cop shot at firing range <= American Gun MADNESS!
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By Alan Gathright
Originally published 09:52 a.m., May 14, 2008
Updated 12:36 p.m., May 14, 2008
A Littleton police officer accidentally shot himself in the leg today while
holstering his handgun after a "live-fire" shooting range exercise.
The unidentified officer's wound was not life-threatening and he was "alert
and conscious" as paramedics treated him at the Highlands Ranch Law
Enforcement Training Facility, Littleton police said in a statement.
The officer was transferred by ambulance to Swedish Medical Center.
The incident happened about 8:15 a.m. as several officers participated in
regularly scheduled firearms training.
"The officer suffered a wound to his leg while re-holstering his handgun
after a live-fire exercise," Littleton police Lt. Mike Broadhead said in the
statement.
Douglas County sheriff's investigators responded to the shooting and will
conduct an independent investigation.
Littleton police will do their own internal investigation, including "a
thorough review of the circumstances surrounding the incident as well as a
policy review," Broadhead said.
The officer will not be identified pending the outcome of the internal
probe.
Al Patrick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIJOVD8hwY
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Herb Martin
"Al Patrick" <a...@vance.net> wrote in message
news:Y-edneuS-Y3fjrHV...@posted.internetofbeaufortcounty...
> This man was also holstering his weapon when it went off.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIJOVD8hwY
This is all due to violating the SIMPLEST of the safety rules:
Keep your &#$@#$@# finger OFF the #$#@$# trigger except when SHOOTING
_ Prof. Jonez _
> "Al Patrick" <a...@vance.net> wrote in message
> news:Y-edneuS-Y3fjrHV...@posted.internetofbeaufortcounty...
>> This man was also holstering his weapon when it went off.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIJOVD8hwY
>
> This is all due to violating the SIMPLEST of the safety rules:
>
> Keep your &#$@#$@# finger OFF the #$#@$# trigger except when
> SHOOTING
Simpler rule would be to keep guns away from imbeciles and morons ... like you.
Herb Martin
"_ Prof. Jonez _" <the...@jonez.net> wrote in message
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Ok, I will play along: Please tell us how your "law" would be
worded, at least somewhat specifically:
[Yes, we know you were just spouting nonsense, but here is your
chance to actually put forward some suggestion.]
You say it is a SIMPLER rule -- mine only took one sentenc but
take a few more if you need it to explain who would and who would
not be prohibited and how a judge or whoever would distinguish...
Honus
"Al Patrick" <a...@vance.net> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIJOVD8hwY
Ah, Lee Paige.
Are you all familiar with his lawsuit in regards to that incident?
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0411061foot1.html
I found section 7, page 3 of the complaint to be of particular interest.
Al Patrick
I heard he was suing but did not know how it was progressing. I'd also heard the major
complaint was something on the order of release of personal (? health) information.
I doubt he'll collect much for this. Obviously, release of the data seems to be all that
he could sue for. It was *his* mistake, not theirs. Now he's suing to try to convince
some judge that the DEA was supposed to help him keep it a secret. I can understand some
embarrassment but can't see where he thinks they should be aiding and abetting his secrecy
on the matter.
OTOH: Maybe the DEA should also be embarrassed . . . for having him on the force -- or at
least for having him head up this safety lesson! ;-)
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*MY point* was not to further embarrass the man, but to point out the similarities in the
two cases. *Perhaps* there is something that can be learned here. Yes, perhaps the other
fellow over simplified the matter - "keep your finger off the trigger except when firing
the weapon."
I was thinking more along the lines of "blame Glock"; "some*thing* bumped the trigger on
the way to the holster"; "social promotions"; "political correctness"; etc., etc., etc.
He did *say* something along the lines of, "This gun's not loaded!" when in actuality he
should have *demonstrated* the gun to be unloaded - by properly checking it in front of
the audience. ("Ain't hind sight wonderful?")
You could tell the audience was well pleased with his performance by the way they started
getting up and leaving, carrying their (? sleeping or crying) children with them; ordering
someone else NOT to give him the M-16 or whatever else it was he wanted. They probably
weren't sure if he wanted to demonstrate it in a similar manner or if he was "going
postal"! :-)
A child stumps his toe and wants mama to doctor it. This guy makes a fool of himself in
front of a crowd and wants the government to give him a reward! You, GO FIGURE!
Honus
> Honus wrote:
>> "Al Patrick" <a...@vance.net> wrote in message
>> news:Y-edneuS-Y3fjrHV...@posted.internetofbeaufortcounty...
>>> This man was also holstering his weapon when it went off.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIJOVD8hwY
>>
>> Ah, Lee Paige.
>>
>> Are you all familiar with his lawsuit in regards to that incident?
>>
>> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0411061foot1.html
>>
>> I found section 7, page 3 of the complaint to be of particular interest.
>
> I heard he was suing but did not know how it was progressing. I'd also
> heard the major complaint was something on the order of release of
> personal (? health) information.
It's old news; I don't know how the suit is progressing either.
> I doubt he'll collect much for this. Obviously, release of the data seems
> to be all that he could sue for. It was *his* mistake, not theirs. Now
> he's suing to try to convince some judge that the DEA was supposed to help
> him keep it a secret. I can understand some embarrassment but can't see
> where he thinks they should be aiding and abetting his secrecy on the
> matter.
>
> OTOH: Maybe the DEA should also be embarrassed . . . for having him on the
> force -- or at least for having him head up this safety lesson! ;-)
>
> --------
>
> *MY point* was not to further embarrass the man, but to point out the
> similarities in the two cases. *Perhaps* there is something that can be
> learned here. Yes, perhaps the other fellow over simplified the matter -
> "keep your finger off the trigger except when firing the weapon."
>
> I was thinking more along the lines of "blame Glock"; "some*thing* bumped
> the trigger on the way to the holster"; "social promotions"; "political
> correctness"; etc., etc., etc.
>
> He did *say* something along the lines of, "This gun's not loaded!" when
> in actuality he should have *demonstrated* the gun to be unloaded - by
> properly checking it in front of the audience. ("Ain't hind sight
> wonderful?")
It looks like he has someone off camera "verify" that's it's unloaded. Oops.
Long Ranger
"Honus" <Ho...@invalid.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Al Patrick" <a...@vance.net> wrote in message
> news:QbudnY0meNhaNLHV...@posted.internetofbeaufortcounty...
>> Honus wrote:
>>> "Al Patrick" <a...@vance.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Y-edneuS-Y3fjrHV...@posted.internetofbeaufortcounty...
>>>> This man was also holstering his weapon when it went off.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIJOVD8hwY
>>>
>>> Ah, Lee Paige.
>>>
>>> Are you all familiar with his lawsuit in regards to that incident?
>>>
>>> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0411061foot1.html
I am not being facetious in the least when I say this episode is truly
heart-warming. It is so appropriate that this strutting embecil shoots
himself. The fact that he claimed to be the only one in the room qualified
to use it is like the addition of a foot massage after being offered a warm
hearth and a brandy.......utterly classic. Del Lord, who once directed The
Three Stooges, couldn't have done a better job.
Frank
40 S&W. He's not the first cop to shoot himself in the leg with a Glock.
Al Patrick
> There is no such gun as a Glock 40. Most likely a Glock 22 which shoots
> 40 S&W. He's not the first cop to shoot himself in the leg with a Glock.
My point precisely. They're used to the manual safety and apparently have trouble
adjusting to the *three* safeties which I believe Glock has. Some gun manufacturer just
recently added a manual safety so their weapons could be considered for use by the U.S.
Army. Can't recall if it was Springfield Armory or which one.
With it cocked and locked (or half cocked and locked) you can play with the trigger all
you like, until the MANUAL safety goes off. This is what some are used to and possibly
need available in the Glocks now. BUT this would mean one more step you have to go
through - one more delay - before you can fire the weapon. Seems it may have been Glock
who added this feature. Someone correct me!
Al Patrick
> I am not being facetious in the least when I say this episode is truly
> heart-warming. It is so appropriate that this strutting embecil shoots
> himself. The fact that he claimed to be the only one in the room qualified
> to use it is like the addition of a foot massage after being offered a warm
> hearth and a brandy.......utterly classic. Del Lord, who once directed The
> Three Stooges, couldn't have done a better job.
>
The timing could not have been better. "I'm the only in this room professional enough to
handle or carry this gun." BANG! OUCH! .....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIJOVD8hwY
about 1/4 of the way across.
Frank
Glock safety is built into the trigger. It is safe as if you drop it,
it will not go off and there is no external hammer to hit a loaded
round. Cops in PA told me a couple of years ago about fellow cop that
shot himself in leg during practice. Cops are taught to draw and shoot
fast at close quarters but you have to keep your finger off the Glock
trigger until ready to fire.
PA state police have switched to Glock 37's which handle the 45 GAP
round. This is a fairly new model Glock and mechanisms are like all
former models.
Herb Martin
"Frank" <frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet> wrote in message
news:eYadnWKRw5vlKbDV...@comcast.com...
> Al Patrick wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> There is no such gun as a Glock 40. Most likely a Glock 22 which shoots
>>> 40 S&W. He's not the first cop to shoot himself in the leg with a
>>> Glock.
>>
>> My point precisely. They're used to the manual safety and apparently
>> have trouble adjusting to the *three* safeties which I believe Glock has.
>> Some gun manufacturer just recently added a manual safety so their
>> weapons could be considered for use by the U.S. Army. Can't recall if it
>> was Springfield Armory or which one.
>>
>> With it cocked and locked (or half cocked and locked) you can play with
>> the trigger all you like, until the MANUAL safety goes off. This is what
>> some are used to and possibly need available in the Glocks now. BUT this
>> would mean one more step you have to go through - one more delay - before
>> you can fire the weapon. Seems it may have been Glock who added this
>> feature. Someone correct me!
>
> Glock safety is built into the trigger. It is safe as if you drop it, it
> will not go off and there is no external hammer to hit a loaded round.
> Cops in PA told me a couple of years ago about fellow cop that shot
> himself in leg during practice. Cops are taught to draw and shoot fast at
> close quarters but you have to keep your finger off the Glock trigger
> until ready to fire.
No, you have to (or SHOULD) keep your finger off the trigger of
EVERY FIREARM until ready to shoot.
I can place my finger on a Glock trigger with precisely the same
"safety" as I can place it on the vast majority of triggers.
RD (The Sandman)
news:eYadnWKRw5vlKbDV...@comcast.com:
> Al Patrick wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> There is no such gun as a Glock 40. Most likely a Glock 22 which
>>> shoots 40 S&W. He's not the first cop to shoot himself in the leg
>>> with a Glock.
>>
>> My point precisely. They're used to the manual safety and apparently
>> have trouble adjusting to the *three* safeties which I believe Glock
>> has. Some gun manufacturer just recently added a manual safety so
>> their weapons could be considered for use by the U.S. Army. Can't
>> recall if it was Springfield Armory or which one.
>>
>> With it cocked and locked (or half cocked and locked) you can play
>> with the trigger all you like, until the MANUAL safety goes off.
>> This is what some are used to and possibly need available in the
>> Glocks now. BUT this would mean one more step you have to go through
>> - one more delay - before you can fire the weapon. Seems it may have
>> been Glock who added this feature. Someone correct me!
>
> Glock safety is built into the trigger. It is safe as if you drop
> it, it will not go off and there is no external hammer to hit a loaded
> round. Cops in PA told me a couple of years ago about fellow cop that
> shot himself in leg during practice. Cops are taught to draw and
> shoot fast at close quarters but you have to keep your finger off the
> Glock trigger until ready to fire.
There were also some models of the G17 from Glock which had an external
safety.
http://www.glockfaq.com/rare.htm#g17s
Additionally, there are, apparently, some gunsmiths who will install an
external safety on a Glock.
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/productdetail.aspx?p=5532
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3718/is_200201/ai_n9078505
> PA state police have switched to Glock 37's which handle the 45 GAP
> round. This is a fairly new model Glock and mechanisms are like all
> former models.
>
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