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_ G O D _  
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 More options May 16, 12:00 am
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From: "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 04:00:20 GMT
Local: Fri, May 16 2008 12:00 am
Subject: Re: => SaPeIsMa still a racist piece of shit
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com> wrote
news:Xns9A9FDDD868A0BWereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142...

> ... The fact that this is true does not make this a racist
> statement. Simple examination of the statistics bear it out.

Simple fact that the ongoing color-coded slavery and
genocide against defenseless segment of population
in US is still being deliberately perpetuated must also
be taken in the account, if you wish to discuss racism...
--
_____________________________________________________

I intend to last long enough to put out of business all COck-suckers
and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.

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"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
reminds them of their responsibility."   ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
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 More options May 17, 11:44 am
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From: grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 10:44:53 -0500
Local: Sat, May 17 2008 11:44 am
Subject: Re: => SaPeIsMa still a racist piece of shit
"_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote in news:oF7Xj.2417$Yp.2297@edtnps92:

> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com> wrote
> news:Xns9A9FDDD868A0BWereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142...

>> ... The fact that this is true does not make this a racist
>> statement. Simple examination of the statistics bear it out.

> Simple fact that the ongoing color-coded slavery and
> genocide against defenseless segment of population
> in US is still being deliberately perpetuated must also
> be taken in the account, if you wish to discuss racism...

First of all: 3 of 4 my grandparent's families came her well after the Civil
War. 4th had members in a unit raised in New Tork including one who died at
Andersonville and another who was released from service due to wounds.

Frankly I could not care less what color someone's skin is, I can usually
find enough reasons to like or dislike them well before that becomes an
issue.

What I don't like is this continuous harping on the "vicitm" mentality. Jerks
like you can only find the bad in America and if you can't find enough to
meet your agenda, then you'll make it up.

Frank


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 More options May 17, 4:50 pm
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From: "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET>
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 20:50:25 GMT
Local: Sat, May 17 2008 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: => SaPeIsMa still a racist piece of shit
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com> wrote
news:Xns9AA175CF230B5Wereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142...
> "_ G O D _"  wrote
> news:oF7Xj.2417$Yp.2297@edtnps92:
>> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> news:Xns9A9FDDD868A0BWereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142...

>>> ... The fact that this is true does not make this a racist
>>> statement. Simple examination of the statistics bear it out.

>> Simple fact that the ongoing color-coded slavery and
>> genocide against defenseless segment of population
>> in US is still being deliberately perpetuated must also
>> be taken in the account, if you wish to discuss racism...

...<snip>...irrelevant crap has been carefully removed.......

> I could not care less what color someone's skin is,
> I can usually find enough reasons to like or dislike
> them well before that becomes an issue.

But the deliberate perpetuation of color-coded slavery
and genocide has always been an ongoing issue in US.
Or at least it has been an issue for last 60 years, since
the time of universal abolition of all forms of slavery by
the UDHR. Therefore, regardless of the reasons of your
liking or disliking black people, their skin color shouldn't
be the cause for traditional discrimination and ongoing
capitalization from brutal exploitation of their slave labor....
--
---
_____________________________________________________

I intend to last long enough to put out of business all COck-suckers
along with all institutions of the industrialized slavery and genocide.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------

"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
Humvies, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
reminds them of their responsibility."   ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
___________________________________________________
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 More options May 18, 12:38 pm
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From: grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 11:38:19 -0500
Local: Sun, May 18 2008 12:38 pm
Subject: Re: => SaPeIsMa still a racist piece of shit
"_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote in news:lyHXj.2724$Yp.1813@edtnps92:

What he thinks is irrelevant:

First of all: 3 of 4 my grandparent's families came her well after the Civil
War. 4th had members in a unit raised in New Tork including one who died at
Andersonville and another who was released from service due to wounds.

Frankly I could not care less what color someone's skin is, I can usually
find enough reasons to like or dislike them well before that becomes an
issue.

>> I could not care less what color someone's skin is,
>> I can usually find enough reasons to like or dislike
>> them well before that becomes an issue.

> But the deliberate perpetuation of color-coded slavery
> and genocide has always been an ongoing issue in US.
> Or at least it has been an issue for last 60 years, since
> the time of universal abolition of all forms of slavery by
> the UDHR. Therefore, regardless of the reasons of your
> liking or disliking black people, their skin color shouldn't
> be the cause for traditional discrimination and ongoing
> capitalization from brutal exploitation of their slave labor....

Do you really exoect anyone to seriously consider that the United States is
still engaging in slavery? Communist and totlaitarian nations enslave thier
own people, Islam enslaves women and infidels by defintion, in Sudan
Christians are enslaved by Muslims.

And you want us to beleive some bizarre story that the US is the big criminal
here? Why don't you take your profanity laced invective and go save people
who are truly in need of saving rather than attempting to damage thios
country with your insane ravings?

Or would that require to much effort and personal courage?

Frank


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 More options May 18, 2:22 pm
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From: "_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 18:22:35 GMT
Local: Sun, May 18 2008 2:22 pm
Subject: Re: => SaPeIsMa still a racist piece of shit
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com> wrote
news:Xns9AA27EDBD7EE3Wereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142...

If you are unaware of the deliberate perpetuation of
ongoing slavery in US, which is traditionally slanted
on color-coded discrimination of people in violation
of the Human Rights, you can read US Constitution,
where slavery is being allowed against the convicts...
And because all forms of slavery were abolished by
Article 4 of the Human Rights, its practice has been
in brutal violation of the Human Rights for 60 years....

> Why don't you take your profanity laced invective and go
> save people  who are truly in need of saving rather than
> attempting to damage thios country with your insane ravings?

I condemn every other country with gulag economy,
where slave labor of defenseless hostages of the
incarceration industry and the victims of completely
corrupt and criminal judicial system is being used
for illegal capitalization to benefit their ruling elites...
--
_____________________________________________________

I intend to last long enough to put out of business all COck-suckers
and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------

"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
reminds them of their responsibility."   ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
___________________________________________________
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 More options May 18, 3:02 pm
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From: grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 14:02:03 -0500
Local: Sun, May 18 2008 3:02 pm
Subject: Re: => SaPeIsMa still a racist piece of shit
"_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote in news:Lt_Xj.2866$Yp.702@edtnps92:

Instead of some opium induced dream about slavery in the present day United
States for which there is no evidence how about Sudan?

What have you done to help real slaves living lives of terror, pain, sexual
bondage, death and forced religious conversions?

Perhaps until you can distinguish between actual, observable slavery that the
world through the UN appears to want to ignore and imagined slavery in the US
which I can comfortably say almost no sane person thinks to be the case you
should stop posting.

Your clear antiamerican bias is repulsive and does you no credit or
credibility.

Are there slaves in Sudan?
There are no public auctions; there is no systematic branding... But women
and children, particularly from Southern Sudanese communities, have been
seized in violent raids on villages by fighters armed by the government in
the civil war. They are forced into servitude on farms or in houses, often
sexually exploited, and sometimes sold by their captors.

How many slaves are there?
Several thousand have been enslaved in the last ten years. It's impossible to
give a precise figure, or to say how many have escaped or been freed. The
raiders have also massacred thousands of people and driven hundreds of
thousands from their homes. Many such "displaced" people, including 250,000
Nuba, are forced into in government "peace camps" - where they become
internees, but not slaves.

Who are the slaves?
The slaves are mostly Dinka people from the northern part of Bahr al-Ghazal
region, plus small numbers from other war-stricken areas.

Who captures them?
The main takers of slaves are government-armed militias from the Rezeigat and
Meseriya people. Both groups belong to the Baggara, cattle-herding Arabic-
speaking people who live in the neighbouring regions of Kordofan and Darfur.
Other members of the "Popular Defence Force" (PDF) militias, as well as some
regular army officers, are also involved.

How long has the taking of slaves in Sudan been going on?
Many centuries. Raiding for slaves was common under Turkish-Egyptian and
Mahdist rule in the 19th century, when Northern Sudan held tens of thousands
of slaves, and exported tens of thousands more to Egypt and the Arab states.

Much of Southern Sudan was plundered by commercial slave traders, who
devastated its peoples. Southern Sudanese resisted fiercely, and today's
inhabitants are the descendants of those people who remained free. Slavery
was abolished by the British imperial rulers in 1898, but it took some
decades for the practice to die out. Although Sudan suffered a North-South
civil war from 1955-72, slave-taking was not a central issue then. Slavery
has only re-emerged in the last decade.

In 1986 the Defence Minister in the civilian government led by Prime Minister
Sadiq al-Mahdi proceeded to arm Baggara militias as a "security belt" against
the mainly Southern rebels, the Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA), in
renewed civil war. The resurgence of slavery was described in a 1987 report
by two Northern Sudanese university lecturers, who linked it to the militias.
Many of today's slaves were taken during the 1986-89 period, before the
current regime seized power.

What is the Sudan Government's policy?
The government has repeatedly denied that slavery exists, but under
international pressure it set up committees to investigate the question in
early 1996. It blames the phenomenon on "tribal conflicts" in which both
sides take hostages, and insists these captives are not slaves. Slavery is
against the law in Sudan, and only "the white man, decades ago", took slaves,
it says. In practice, the government uses the militias to destroy villages
and terrorize entire communities. It turns a blind eye to raiding for
captives as "war booty" to be kept in servitude or sold. Some captives become
hostages, some become slaves.  When families of captives try to get their
children back through the courts,the government has not often been helpful.
And close to the war zones, few people are brave enough to challenge militia
fighters in court.

How can the slaves in Sudan be freed?
Some escape, some are released by the courts or by inter-tribal negotiation.  
Some are handed back to their relatives on payment of "keeper's expenses".
Rezeigat and Dinka representatives have negotiated for the release of
hundreds of Dinka children in return for access to fresh pastures and water
controlled by the Southerners - underlining how ecology affects the conflict.

Reports of foreigners helping to "buy back" captives have publicized the
situation. But paying ransoms is not a solution. Capturing people for ransom
or slavery can only be ended by dismantling the militias, restoring judicial
processes and bringing the perpetrators to justice. It's essential to revive
local reconciliation systems, and ensure access for human rights monitors.

Is slavery the main problem in Sudan's war?
Slavery alerts us to the extremes of human rights abuse in Sudan, and to the
racist history in the conflict. But it is vital not to overlook the many
related atrocities committed against civilians in Southern Sudan, the Nuba
Mountains of Kordofan, and elsewhere - including massacres, rape, aerial
bombing and the wholesale destruction of villages.

Since 1983, an estimated 1.5 million Sudanese people have died and at least
five million fled their homes as a result of war. It is government policy to
force hundreds of thousands of war-displaced people into "peace villages".
These are internment camps: people are denied their liberty and forced to
work for little or no pay in appalling conditions.  Families are split up,
women are abused, men have to train and fight in the PDF militia. Children
are taught a crude exclusionist Islam and made to Arabize theirnames and
their language. Both sides in the war are using child soldiers and forced
labour. RivalSouthern Sudanese factions have kidnapped children and abducted
women.

What is the background to the war?
British colonial rulers pursued separate development policies for North and
South Sudan, setting the stage for conflict when they left. The war is also
rooted in decades of social, political and economic discrimination by the
dominant North against Southerners and people from other peripheral parts of
the country.

In 1983, Southern army units mutinied and formed the Sudan People's
Liberation Army (SPLA), which claims to fight for the equality of all
Sudanese. The SPLA split in 1991 and many Southern civilians have died in
faction fighting.  Since a military coup in 1989, the government of Lt-
General Hassan al-Bashir has intensified the war, estimated to cost a
crippling one million dollars a day.  Oppression extends well beyond the war
zones: dissent is banned, and torture is rife. Most Northern political
parties - and some former army officers - have formed an exiled opposition
front called the National Democratic Alliance (NDA).

Is this a religious war?
The ruling National Islamic Front (NIF) won less than 10% of the votes of
Muslim Sudanese in the last free elections. It uses religious rhetoric in its
war propaganda, to try to rally international Islamic support. Some Christian ...

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From: Greg Carr <gregpc...@yahoo.ca>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:27:09 GMT
Local: Sun, May 18 2008 4:27 pm
Subject: Re: => SaPeIsMa still a racist piece of shit
On Sat, 17 May 2008 10:44:53 -0500, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com

(Gray Ghost) wrote:
>"_ G O D _" <DEMI...@TELUS.NET> wrote in news:oF7Xj.2417$Yp.2297@edtnps92:

>> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> news:Xns9A9FDDD868A0BWereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142...

>>> ... The fact that this is true does not make this a racist
>>> statement. Simple examination of the statistics bear it out.

>> Simple fact that the ongoing color-coded slavery and
>> genocide against defenseless segment of population
>> in US is still being deliberately perpetuated must also
>> be taken in the account, if you wish to discuss racism..

One of these ppl is the favourite to become President and one is
Secretary Of State. They are on all major TV news teams and many are
prominent in entertainment and sports and music and earn a income many
would covet or envy..

>First of all: 3 of 4 my grandparent's families came her well after the Civil
>War. 4th had members in a unit raised in New Tork including one who died at
>Andersonville and another who was released from service due to wounds.

>Frankly I could not care less what color someone's skin is, I can usually
>find enough reasons to like or dislike them well before that becomes an
>issue.

>What I don't like is this continuous harping on the "vicitm" mentality. Jerks
>like you can only find the bad in America and if you can't find enough to
>meet your agenda, then you'll make it up.

>Frank

We are awaiting the return of our JHVH in the flesh or his Son. His Son Yu'shua died on the cross for our sins, was resurrected and walked the earth for awhile then ascended unto Heaven. We await the Third Coming not the Second.

Scottish Quaker Robert Barclay-"The weighty Truths of God were neglected, and, as it were, went into Desuetude. ...

Who will be the last Coalition soldier to be maimed in Iraq?

Canadian troops out of Afghanistan and into Darfur.http://www.amnesty.ca/instantkarma/petition.php

Good luck to anyone trying to learn Hebrew. I am looking for a Hebrew-Gregorian calendar in both Hebrew and English lettering.

I am looking for my missing automobile. Left in the care of Low's Tire (Firestone) on King George Hwy which has since gone out of business. A man who claimed to be a tow truck driver named Jerry (sounded Black) called me and said he had it
but when I called him back he denied it. JVD-968 "89 Plymouth Reliant white with red interior. Devellis in lettering on the rear trunk. Contact me by email or the GRC if you are one of those ppl. Am looking for the address of Dave Reynolds and any info about him. He used to run Low's Tires and since he refuses to answer his email lowst...@telus.net I can only assume he is the person who stole my vehicle and the contents in it. I have talked to the new owners and they claim to know nothing.
3P3BK41D9KT921716 is the vin number. John Reynolds still has a valid email lowst...@telus.net but refuses to return my inquiries.Any info about this thief is appreciated.

I am also looking for various books and CD's that I have discovered missing. All are marked Greg Carr on the inside cover or somewhere in the CD booklet. $5 reward for each CD and for each book. Will pay $200 for info regarding how they disappeared because I honestly don't know.


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 More options May 18, 4:29 pm
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From: Greg Carr <gregpc...@yahoo.ca>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:29:07 GMT
Local: Sun, May 18 2008 4:29 pm
Subject: Re: => SaPeIsMa still a racist piece of shit
On Sun, 18 May 2008 11:38:19 -0500, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com

100% agreement. Have a great weekend.

We are awaiting the return of our JHVH in the flesh or his Son. His Son Yu'shua died on the cross for our sins, was resurrected and walked the earth for awhile then ascended unto Heaven. We await the Third Coming not the Second.

Scottish Quaker Robert Barclay-"The weighty Truths of God were neglected, and, as it were, went into Desuetude. ...

Who will be the last Coalition soldier to be maimed in Iraq?

Canadian troops out of Afghanistan and into Darfur.http://www.amnesty.ca/instantkarma/petition.php

Good luck to anyone trying to learn Hebrew. I am looking for a Hebrew-Gregorian calendar in both Hebrew and English lettering.

I am looking for my missing automobile. Left in the care of Low's Tire (Firestone) on King George Hwy which has since gone out of business. A man who claimed to be a tow truck driver named Jerry (sounded Black) called me and said he had it
but when I called him back he denied it. JVD-968 "89 Plymouth Reliant white with red interior. Devellis in lettering on the rear trunk. Contact me by email or the GRC if you are one of those ppl. Am looking for the address of Dave Reynolds and any info about him. He used to run Low's Tires and since he refuses to answer his email lowst...@telus.net I can only assume he is the person who stole my vehicle and the contents in it. I have talked to the new owners and they claim to know nothing.
3P3BK41D9KT921716 is the vin number. John Reynolds still has a valid email lowst...@telus.net but refuses to return my inquiries.Any info about this thief is appreciated.

I am also looking for various books and CD's that I have discovered missing. All are marked Greg Carr on the inside cover or somewhere in the CD booklet. $5 reward for each CD and for each book. Will pay $200 for info regarding how they disappeared because I honestly don't know.


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