Re: 9/11 was an inside job.
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supreme command over any and all American agencies, including the Air Force."
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:16:25 -0800 (PST), Iarmdud <iar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>...I appear to be as insane as possible ...
>... me to be the useful idiot to them.
>That's what I've been ...kkkooker!
No one had asked about you.
On 1 Nov 2009 02:20:50 -0500, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
>... a k00k that claims ...
You claim that Bush and Cheney are totally innocent!
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:44:35 -0700 (PDT), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Of course it was an inside job. The collapse of 7 proved that. Every
>member of congress and every talking head on TV knows it was an IJ and
>has known it for 8 years.
Only the truly gullible doesn't understand the concept
of the Reichstag Fire.
*us*
separate chain of Command & Control via the Secret Service, assuring the paralysis of Air
Force response on 9/11. The Secret Service has the technology to see the same radar
screens the FAA sees in real time. They also have the legal authority and technological
capability to take supreme command in cases of national emergency. Dick Cheney was the
acting Commander in Chief on 9/11. (Click here for a summary of these points)
2. Motive - Peak Oil: At some point between 2000 and 2007, world oil production reaches
its peak; from that point on, every barrel of oil is going to be harder to find, more
expensive to recover, and more valuable to those who recover and control it. Dick Cheney
was well aware of the coming Peak Oil crisis at least as early as 1999, and 9/11 provided
the pretext for the series of energy wars that Cheney stated, "will not end in our
lifetime." (Click here for a summary of these points)
3. Opportunity - 9/11 War Games: The Air Force was running multiple war games on the
morning of 9/11 simulating hijackings over the continental United States that included (at
least) one "live-fly" exercise as well as simulations that placed "false blips" on FAA
radar screens. These war games eerily mirrored the real events of 9/11 to the point of the
Air Force running drills involving hijacked aircraft as the 9/11 plot actually unfolded.
The war games & terror drills played a critical role in ensuring no Air Force fighter
jocks - who had trained their entire lives for this moment - would be able to prevent the
attacks from succeeding. These exercises were under Dick Cheney's management..."
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:01:48 -0800 (PST), Iarndud <iar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>...the truly gullible don't understand the concept of "evidence"...
You sure don't.
You can't even begin to consider means, motive, or opportunity.
Iarnrod
> "When 9/11 occurred, the legal framework was in place to allow the Secret Service to take
> supreme command over any and all American agencies, including the Air Force."
Too bad it was all over before anything could be done about it, eh,
rightarded Bushshill kook? 90 minutes, done.
This isn't Hollywood, Bush loving counter-disinfo shill.
*us*
"When 9/11 occurred, the legal framework was in place to allow the Secret Service to take
supreme command over any and all American agencies, including the Air Force."
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml
*us*
residue around that straight cut. OK, now we must take that information and by necessity
draw some very important and inevitable conclusions. These conclusions are binding, you
don't get to agree with each successive point and then refute the eventuality, no matter
how uncomfortable it may be. That would be like saying ok, I see the straight cut, but now
I'm going to tell you I want to pretend it's not there."
http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6988
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:14:16 -0800 (PST), Iamdud <iar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Notice how I am a bushworshipper who has no facts.
Nobody had asked about you.
*us*
Iarnrod
> "Do you see the 45 degree angle cut on the steel column, and do you see the sulfidised
> residue around that straight cut.
Yes, it was made by the clean up teams removing the debris after the
collapse, rightard. There is video showing them doing this.
Wait, don't tell me you "think" these cuts were made by your thousands
of charges of cartoon magic gravity defying thermite in split-second
perfect synchronized sequence during the 22-second collapse of the
towers? BWAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!!!!
Al Dykes
<Ame...@USA.now> wrote:
>The bushworshipper isn't permitted to see.
>
>"Do you see the 45 degree angle cut on the steel column, and do you see the sulfidised
>residue around that straight cut.
Those cuts were made by the clean-up crew.
--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail
rocket scientist
wrote:
> In article <77c8f5t4s35gbvm43...@4ax.com>,
> <Ame...@USA.now> wrote:
> >The bushworshipper isn't permitted to see.
> >
> >"Do you see the 45 degree angle cut on the steel column, and do you see the
> >sulfidised
> >residue around that straight cut.
>
>
> Those cuts were made by the clean-up crew.
the "cleaners"
quickly getting rid of the evidence.
CSI need not apply.
Iarnrod
> In article <hd29sv$6n...@panix1.panix.com>, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes)
> wrote:
>
> > In article <77c8f5t4s35gbvm438ubd11k6aqplts...@4ax.com>,
> > <Amer...@USA.now> wrote:
> > >The bushworshipper isn't permitted to see.
>
> > >"Do you see the 45 degree angle cut on the steel column, and do you see the
> > >sulfidised
> > >residue around that straight cut.
>
> > Those cuts were made by the clean-up crew.
>
> the "cleaners"
> quickly getting rid of the evidence.
"Quickly?" Eight and a half months just to clear it down to ground
level, not counting the below-ground levels? You must be one heckuva
great housecleaner, kook. Must take you three days to vacuum your
living room.
Al Dykes
BEEP BEEP BEEP k00k changes topics instead of addressing point BEEP BEEP BEEP
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the bushworshipper is too brainwashed to consider.
The bushworshipper isn't permitted to see.
"Do you see the 45 degree angle cut on the steel column, and do you see the sulfidised
*us*
The bushworshipper isn't permitted to see.
"Do you see the 45 degree angle cut on the steel column, and do you see the sulfidised
*us*
> Those cuts were made by the clean-up crew.
Why would anyone believe that?
The photo was taken during the rescue effort,
which preceded the hasty removal of all of the
evidence, in fact.
The bushworshipper isn't permitted to see.
"Do you see the 45 degree angle cut on the steel column, and do you see the sulfidised
Iarnrod
> The photo was taken shortly after the collapse, which
> the bushworshipper is too brainwashed to consider.
>
> The bushworshipper isn't permitted to see.
>
> "Do you see the 45 degree angle cut on the steel column, and do you see the sulfidised
> residue around that straight cut. OK, now we must take that information and by necessity
> draw some very important and inevitable conclusions. These conclusions are binding, you
> don't get to agree with each successive point and then refute the eventuality, no matter
> how uncomfortable it may be. That would be like saying ok, I see the straight cut, but now
> I'm going to tell you I want to pretend it's not there."
>
This picture was taken during clean-up. If you pan back on the video
from which this was taken youc an see the other workers on the columns
with their torches cutting other beams.
Your effort to hide the truth by cropping out the workers with their
torches PROVES you to be a knowing rightarded liar.
Iarnrod
>
> > Those cuts were made by the clean-up crew.
>
> Why would anyone believe that?
Because, rightarded lying traitor, this photo comes from a video in
which the workers can be seen on other columns using their torches to
cut other nearby beams in the same fashion.
You are either a blatant liar or an incredible dope for "thinking"
that 45 degree cut on a ground level beam was made by your gravity
defying thermite in the midst of the collapse. Thermite does not cut
at 45 degrees.
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plane, yet still had the molten metal"
http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6988
Yet another undisputed fact ...
The bushworshipper substitutes his hallucinations for facts.
On 7 Nov 2009 07:46:34 -0500, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
> Those cuts were made by the clean-up crew.
Why would anyone believe that?
The photo was taken during the rescue effort,
*us*
that the beam shown wasn't cut with a torch.
The dust hasn't even settled yet.
The photo was taken shortly after the collapse, which
the bushworshipper is too brainwashed to consider.
The bushworshipper isn't permitted to see.
"Do you see the 45 degree angle cut on the steel column, and do you see the sulfidised
residue around that straight cut. OK, now we must take that information and by necessity
draw some very important and inevitable conclusions. These conclusions are binding, you
don't get to agree with each successive point and then refute the eventuality, no matter
how uncomfortable it may be. That would be like saying ok, I see the straight cut, but now
I'm going to tell you I want to pretend it's not there."
http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6988
Iarnrod
> "one of the three buildings which fell down at free-fall speed was not even hit by a
> plane, yet still had the molten metal"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! making shit up again, rightard? How much does your
master Cheeeeeney pay you to front your kooker stories that discredit
reality-based opposition?
Iarnrod
> that the beam shown wasn't cut with a torch.
BWAHAHAHAAAA!!!! The fuckin' VIDEO from which the photo comes SHOWS
THE WORKERS CUTTING IT WITH TORCHES, you fuckin' MORON!!
Holy SHIT but you're stupid. You deny what's in front of your own
EYES!!
Thanks for the laugh, dope.
*us*
Meanwhile:
"one of the three buildings which fell down at free-fall speed was not even hit by a
plane, yet still had the molten metal"
http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6988
*us*
after it's been cut with a torch, either, of course.
The bushworshipper doesn't know enough to know
that the beam shown wasn't cut with a torch.
The dust hasn't even settled yet.
Iarnrod
> Notice that all the bushfilth has is his asinine ad hominem fallacies.
Notice that the Bush worshiping counter-disinfo shill Hates US
actually does not understand what ad hominem means <tee hee>
Meanwhile, he lies:
> "one of the three buildings which fell down at free-fall speed was not even hit by a
> plane, yet still had the molten metal"
Produce the molten metal, liar. Get a watch with a second hand and
figure out your lie about "free fall speed.' <chuckle>
Look at the video of WTC1's collapse and watch the tens of thousands
of tone of free-falling steel girders and flaming debris crash into
WTC7 causing significant damage and fires.
Then go shoot yourself because you have failed to be an effective
useful idiot for Bush and your hero Cheeeeeeney.
Iarnrod
> The bushfilth doesn't know what metal looks like
> after it's been cut with a torch, either, of course.
Yes, it looks like that column in the photo, which has just been cut
with a torch as the video shows the workers doing.
> The bushworshipper doesn't know enough to know
> that the beam shown wasn't cut with a torch.
The Cheeeeeeney butt boy doesn't know enough to watch the video that
shot came from that SHOWS WORKERS WITH TORCHES CUTTING THE COLUMNS!
BWAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAAAA!!!!
You are sooooo stupid, typical for a rightie.
You make kicking your ass waaaaaay too easy.
*us*
molten steel" at Ground Zero. Bollyn also cites Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled
Demolition Inc. (CDI) of Phoenix, MD, as having seen molten steel in the bottoms of
elevator shafts "three, four, and five weeks" after the attack."
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html
The poor bushfilth can't dispute that, either, of course.
Notice that all the bushfilth has is his asinine ad hominem fallacies.
Meanwhile:
"one of the three buildings which fell down at free-fall speed was not even hit by a
plane, yet still had the molten metal"
http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6988
*us*
has never actually used a cutting torch.
The bushfilth doesn't know what metal looks like
after it's been cut with a torch, either, of course.
The bushworshipper doesn't know enough to know
that the beam shown wasn't cut with a torch.
The dust hasn't even settled yet.
*us*
*us*
>On Nov 9, 10:31�am, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 10:12�am, * US * wrote:
>>
>> > The bushfilth is an unintelligent, lazy person who
>> > has never actually used a cutting torch.
>>
>> > The bushfilth doesn't know what metal looks like
>> > after it's been cut with a torch, either, of course.
>>
>> > The bushworshipper doesn't know enough to know
>> > that the beam shown wasn't cut with a torch.
>>
>> The �moron kook doesn't know enough to know that the fuckin' video
>> SHOWS the clean up workers cutting the columns with torches.
>>
>> BWAHAHHAHAHAAAAHAAAA!!!
>
>This one wasn't cut "with a tourch."
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTa_XL_k8fY
Great link.
The bushkultie will have to pretend it doesn't exist, too.
*us*
to maintain his belief that Bush spoke for God.
(He'd believe that a gunshot victim died from
falling to the ground, too.)
Iarnrod
> I am a bushfilth who can't deal with this non-reality, either:
>
> "The president of Tully Construction of Flushing, NY, said he saw pools of "literally
> molten steel" at Ground Zero. Bollyn also cites Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled
> Demolition Inc. (CDI) of Phoenix, MD, as having seen molten steel in the bottoms of
> elevator shafts "three, four, and five weeks" after the attack."
You'e pretty stupid,I've noticed.
Tully said no such thing. You're lying. he said he said liquid, not
"molten steel." Loizeaux never said it at all.
You're not very good at this lying thing, you Bush counter disinfo
shill, because you keep telling lies that are well-known lies. Try
something not so easily debunked, something that will actually make me
work to prove you wrong. I ain't even working up a sweat over your
stupid lies.
Iarnrod
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:55:03 -0800 (PST), knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >On Nov 9, 10:31 am, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 9, 10:12 am, * US * wrote:
>
> >> > The bushfilth is an unintelligent, lazy person who
> >> > has never actually used a cutting torch.
>
> >> > The bushfilth doesn't know what metal looks like
> >> > after it's been cut with a torch, either, of course.
>
> >> > The bushworshipper doesn't know enough to know
> >> > that the beam shown wasn't cut with a torch.
>
> >> The moron kook doesn't know enough to know that the fuckin' video
> >> SHOWS the clean up workers cutting the columns with torches.
>
> >> BWAHAHHAHAHAAAAHAAAA!!!
>
> >This one wasn't cut "with a tourch."
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTa_XL_k8fY
>
> Great link.
Except it shows a steel beam that as cut with a torch, Bush counter
disinfo shill. I proved it.
> The bushkultie will have to pretend it doesn't exist, too.
BWAHAHHAHAAAA!!! Doesn't exist??? Are you nuckin' futs? I love that it
exists because it proves you wrong. The videos show the workers using
torches to cut the columns during the cleanup phase. Proves you wrong.
Why would I not want it to exist?
Iarnrod
> The bushworshipper has to deny a lot of reality
> to maintain his belief that Bush spoke for God.
Are you talking about yourself again, Bush worshiper?
Iarnrod
> witnesses there at the time heard, and felt, explosions.
Yep, no one hears or felt any explosions at collapse initiation,
idiot. THAT is when they would have to be heard if it were a
controlled demolition, which it has been PROVEN it was not. NO
EXPLOSIONS at collapse initiation = NO controlled demolition. FACT.
I'll help you out here, bird brain. Loud noise an hour before collapse
cannot be controlled demotion.
Iarnrod
> "The cores were rectangular pillars with numerous large
> columns and girders, measuring 87 feet by 133 feet"
Thereby PROVING that your cartoon magic gravity defying thermite could
not possible have been used to bring them down! Thanks for pulling
your own ripcord, shithead! BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAA!!!!
*us*
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:55:03 -0800 (PST), knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:
>On Nov 9, 10:31�am, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 10:12�am, * US * wrote:
>>
>> > The bushfilth is an unintelligent, lazy person who
>> > has never actually used a cutting torch.
>>
>> > The bushfilth doesn't know what metal looks like
>> > after it's been cut with a torch, either, of course.
>>
>> > The bushworshipper doesn't know enough to know
>> > that the beam shown wasn't cut with a torch.
>>
>> The �moron kook doesn't know enough to know that the fuckin' video
>> SHOWS the clean up workers cutting the columns with torches.
>>
>> BWAHAHHAHAHAAAAHAAAA!!!
>
>This one wasn't cut "with a tourch."
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTa_XL_k8fY
Great link.
The bushkultie will have to pretend it doesn't exist, too.
He will merely spew invective rather than reason.
*us*
The bushworshipper has to deny a lot of reality
to maintain his belief that Bush spoke for God.
*us*
He's too afraid to deal with any of the facts.
The bushfilth can't deal with this reality, either:
"The president of Tully Construction of Flushing, NY, said he saw pools of "literally
molten steel" at Ground Zero. Bollyn also cites Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled
Demolition Inc. (CDI) of Phoenix, MD, as having seen molten steel in the bottoms of
elevator shafts "three, four, and five weeks" after the attack."
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html
*us*
as he hates all those who suffered on 9/11:
"Rich Banaciski -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22]
... and then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television
they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt,
all these explosions.
Brian Becker -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 28]
The collapse hadn't begun, but it was not a fire any more up there. It was like -- it was
like that -- like smoke explosion on a tremendous scale going on up there.
Greg Brady -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.) [Battalion 6]
We were standing underneath and Captain Stone was speaking again. We heard -- I heard 3
loud explosions. I look up and the north tower is coming down now, 1 World Trade Center.
Timothy Burke -- Firefigter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 202]
But it seemed like I was going oh, my god, there is a secondary device because the way the
building popped. I thought it was an explosion.
Ed Cachia -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 53]
we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went
in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.
Frank Campagna -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 11]
You see three explosions and then the whole thing coming down.
Craig Carlsen -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 8]
... you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it
took forever, but there were about ten explosions.
Jason Charles -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.)
... and then I heard an explosion from up, from up above, and I froze and I was like, oh,
s___, I'm dead because I thought the debris was going to hit me in the head and that was
it.
...
I look over my shoulder and I says, oh, s___, and then I turned around and looked up and
that's when I saw the tower coming down.
Frank Cruthers -- Chief (F.D.N.Y.) [Citywide Tour Commander]
.. there was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top,
simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed
to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse.
Kevin Darnowski -- Paramedic (E.M.S.)
I heard three explosions, and then we heard like groaning and grinding, and tower two
started to come down.
Dominick Derubbio -- Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.) [Division 8]
It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion ...
Karin Deshore -- Captain (E.M.S.)
Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash
coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way
around the building and that building had started to explode.
Brian Dixon -- Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.)
... the lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted
explosives around it because the whole bottom I could see -- I could see two sides of it
and the other side -- it just looked like that floor blew out. I looked up and you could
actually see everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an
explosion up there, it blew out.
Michael Donovan -- Captain (F.D.N.Y.)
I thought there had been an explosion or a bomb that they had blown up there.
James Drury -- Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)
I should say that people in the street and myself included thought that the roar was so
loud that the explosive - bombs were going off inside the building.
Thomas Fitzpatrick -- Deputy Commissioner for Administration (F.D.N.Y.)
Some people thought it was an explosion. I don't think I remember that. I remember seeing
it, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building.
...
My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those
implosions on TV.
Gary Gates -- Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)
So the explosion, what I realized later, had to be the start of the collapse. It was the
way the building appeared to blowout from both sides. I'm looking at the face of it, and
all we see is the two sides of the building just blowing out and coming apart like this,
as I said, like the top of a volcano.
Kevin Gorman -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22]
... I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down,
before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes.
Gregg Hansson -- Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)
Then a large explosion took place. In my estimation that was the tower coming down, but at
that time I did not know what that was. I thought some type of bomb had gone off.
Timothy Julian -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 118]
You know, and I just heard like an explosion and then cracking type of noise, and then it
sounded like a freight train, rumbling and picking up speed, and I remember I looked up,
and I saw it coming down.
John Malley -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22]
I felt the rumbling, and then I felt the force coming at me. I was like, what the hell is
that? In my mind it was a bomb going off.
James McKinley -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.)
After that I heard this huge explosion, I thought it was a boiler exploding or something.
Next thing you know this huge cloud of smoke is coming at us, so we're running.
Joseph Meola -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 91]
As we are looking up at the building, what I saw was, it looked like the building was
blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops. Didn't realize it was the
falling -- you know, you heard the pops of the building. You thought it was just blowing
out.
Kevin Murray -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 18]
When the tower started -- there was a big explosion that I heard and someone screamed that
it was coming down and I looked away and I saw all the windows domino
Janice Olszewski -- Captain (E.M.S.)
I thought it was an explosion or a secondary device, a bomb, the jet -- plane exploding,
whatever.
Daniel Rivera -- Paramedic (E.M.S.) [Battalion 31]
At first I thought it was -- do you ever see professional demolition where they set the
charges on certain floors and then you hear "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop"? That's exactly what
-- because I thought it was that.
Angel Rivera -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)
That's when hell came down. It was like a huge, enormous explosion. I still can hear it.
Everything shook.
Kennith Rogers -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)
I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I
was there in '93.
Patrick Scaringello -- Lieutenant (E.M.S.)
I started to treat patients on my own when I heard the explosion from up above.
Mark Steffens -- Division Chief (E.M.S.)
Then there was another it sounded like an explosion and heavy white powder ...
John Sudnik -- Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.)
Then we heard a loud explosion or what sounded like a loud explosion and looked up and I
saw tower two start coming down. Crazy.
Jay Swithers -- Captain (E.M.S.)
I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large
section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion. I thought it
was a secondary device, but I knew that we had to go.
David Timothy -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.)
The next thing I knew, you started hearing more explosions. I guess this is when the
second tower started coming down.
Albert Turi -- Deputy Assistant Chief (F.D.N.Y.)
And as my eyes traveled up the building, and I was looking at the south tower, somewhere
about halfway up, my initial reaction was there was a secondary explosion, and the entire
floor area, a ring right around the building blew out.
Thomas Turilli -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)
... it almost actually that day sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like
seven or eight, and then just a huge wind gust just came.
Stephen Viola -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)
... that's when the south tower collapsed, and it sounded like a bunch of explosions.
William Wall -- Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 47]
At that time, we heard an explosion. We looked up and the building was coming down right
on top of us ... "
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>Without water for firefighting, steel structres [sic] on fire collapse.
>
>There was no water for firefighting on 9/11.
You're merely lying.
"According to the FDNY first-person interviews, water was never an issue at WTC 7"
http://www.911blogger.com/node/16478
See also:
*us*
>...mentally ill...
It's your best excuse. I say go with it: you need it.
You believe the claim that they'd had no warning, don't you.
*us*
>... LYING piece of shit.
You sure are, bushworshipper.
Tell us that one about how they had no warning, again.
Iarnrod
> >> > The bushworshipper doesn't know enough to know
> >> > that the beam shown wasn't cut with a torch.
>
> >> The moron kook doesn't know enough to know that the fuckin' video
> >> SHOWS the clean up workers cutting the columns with torches.
>
> >> BWAHAHHAHAHAAAAHAAAA!!!
>
> >This one wasn't cut "with a tourch."
You're right, it was cut with a "torch," not a "tourch!"
> Great link.
Yes, since it proves me right anf you wrong, rightard kkkook.
> The bushkultie will have to pretend it doesn't exist, too.
Huh? I embrace ALL evidence because that is what proves me right and
you wrong, moron. There is not one piece of evidence that contradicts
the official findings. You however make claims and then FAIL to
provide any evidence for them. Why is that?
> He will merely spew invective rather than reason.
I am not a he, Sherlock.
You are the one with invective, kooker.
*us*
>Uh, dope, I
You've never even wondered why Bush and Cheney
told all those lies about 9/11.
You've never been taught enough history to know
about the Reichstag Fire itself, much less the close
and enduring affiliation of the Bush Wimps with
the fascists who gained from that.
>What makes you think
What makes you afraid to think about the means,
motive, and opportunity involved with 9/11?
Nobody was in a better position to thwart the US
air defense system. Cheney did exactly that.
PNAC had stated publicly that an attack would be
useful for their purposes. Bush and Cheney are both
still stealing a lot of money from US taxpayers as the
result of their treason.
Once Bush stopped investigations of the intended
scapegoat, and made sure pilots couldn't be armed,
and made sure nobody else got the warnings about
the impending attacks, 9/11 could proceed. If he
hadn't done those things, the crimes would not
have been possible, nor the misdirection of the
blame for them.
>I ever said he didn't get warnings
Bush said he didn't get warnings. He lied.
He lied about a crime that he abetted, that
he wanted to have happen, and that he
made sure would happen.
Your belief that such actions would be trivial is
based on your unwillingness to think clearly.
You're irrational with hysteria and possibly unable
to function mentally because of a lack of nutrition
and exposure to environmental toxins.
>... stupidity ...
Show us all some more of yours, bushfilth:
>You are criticizing
>Booosh and Cheeeeney for not acting on warnings about an attack that
>YOU believe they themselves committed.
Apparently you can't read for comprehension,
because nothing of that sort has been stated.
You may be too addled to avoid your histrionics.
I am pointing out that the reason Bush and
Cheney did everything possible to make sure
that the crimes of 9/11 would occur, and in
fact made sure the warnings were ignored, is
to be expected due to their complicity.
Why couldn't you manage to comprehend
even that much?
>... stupid
You sure are. It's your best defense. Stick to it.
*us*
>Buildings don't "fall" as though they only have to overcome air
>resistance.
>Steel has resistance.
>Get it yet?
>Even if it only took 1 second per floor for thousands and thousands of
>welds to break and resistance of steel superstucture to be overcome by
>"gravity" it would have taken at leaast 60 seconds for the buildings
>to "fall."
>
>http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wtc+freefall&search_type=&aq=f
The towers didn't crumble gradually, they fell with no delays.
*us*
encountered it, it would have greatly slowed (and in fact halted) the fall, since the
energy to crush each story and accelerate its mass downward would have to come from the
kinetic energy of falling mass."
http://911research.wtc7.net/materials/wtc/twintowers.html
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:18:24 -0800 (PST), knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:
>Buildings don't "fall" as though they only have to overcome air resistance.
>Steel has resistance. Get it yet?
The tops of the towers didn't hesitate at a fall of a few floors,
they dropped unimpeded into the dust clouds.
>Even if it only took 1 second per floor for thousands and thousands of
>welds to break and resistance of steel superstucture to be overcome by
>"gravity" it would have taken at leaast 60 seconds for the buildings to "fall."
>http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wtc+freefall&search_type=&aq=f
Those buildings were definitely demolished.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/freefall.html
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"Those undamaged floors below the impact zone would have offered
resistance that is thousands of times greater than air."
Iarnrod
> "unless the intact portion of the building were demolished before the falling portion
> encountered it, it would have greatly slowed (and in fact halted) the fall, since the
> energy to crush each story and accelerate its mass downward would have to come from the
> kinetic energy of falling mass."
That is completely wrong and does not even make sense. If the upper
block broke up forst, THEN it might have slowed the destruction of the
lower portion. But as a single moving block of dynamic energy, it was
far more powerful.
You need a brain tune-up.
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:18:24 -0800 (PST), knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >Buildings don't "fall" as though they only have to overcome air resistance.
> >Steel has resistance. Get it yet?
>
> The tops of the towers didn't hesitate at a fall of a few floors,
> they dropped unimpeded into the dust clouds.
They were, of course, impeded by the lower floors. We know this for a
fact because free-falling debris that was tossed clear falls at free
fall and reaches the ground very quickly while the collapsing mass
takes about triple the amount of time of free fall.
> >Even if it only took 1 second per floor for thousands and thousands of
> >welds to break and resistance of steel superstucture to be overcome by
> >"gravity"
Show us your work as to this insane declaration of yours that it
should have taken one second per floor, as if the dynamic mass of
kineteic energy had to stop and break one weld at a time. You are
insane.
> it would have taken at leaast 60 seconds for the buildings to "fall."
False. There is no reasonable basis for you to suspend the law of
gravity to fit your childlike incredulity.
> Those buildings were definitely demolished.
By two plane crashes and raging out of control fires.
It is proven fact that there was no "controlled demolition."
Iarnrod
> >Buildings don't "fall" as though they only have to overcome air
> >resistance.
> >Steel has resistance.
> >Get it yet?
> >Even if it only took 1 second per floor for thousands and thousands of
> >welds to break and resistance of steel superstucture to be overcome by
> >"gravity" it would have taken at leaast 60 seconds for the buildings
> >to "fall."
>
>
> The towers didn't crumble gradually, they fell with no delays.
>
> "Those undamaged floors below the impact zone would have offered
> resistance that is thousands of times greater than air."
>
> http://911blimp.net/prf_FreeFallPhysics.shtml
Learn some physics, dope.
There was resistance. It was overcome by the exponentially greater
dynamic force of the falling mass above it.
This is precisely what would be expected.
No single intact floor could possibly have withstood the ever-
increasing destructive force of the falling mass.
Open a book and read instead of worshiping your magic kooksites.