Good Sensible NJ Driving Law Repealed
GK
vehicles, under certain conditions, to enter and proceed through stop
intersection without stopping twice.
From http://www.nj.gov/governor/news/news/2008/approved/20080407a.html
NJ had this law on the books since Christopher Columbus sailed down
Rt22, no problems with it, made sense, saved gas, time, cut pollution,
now this lame brain Governor we have, steered by idiot legislators,
REPEALS this law effective June 8th, 2008.
Basically the law says if you are in a line of vehicles and already
stopped once in a line, when the first vehicle starts, you can all go
through at once.
No one ever had a problem with it, so why now in this time of
astronomical gas and energy costs do we find this repealed?
This stinks, badly.
GK
Paul D. DeRocco
In MA, it is (or at least was) every third car that has to stop. Out here in
CA, I believe it's every car, and since my habits were formed in MA, it's
cost me one ticket.
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richard
wrote:
Repealed because in most states, a stop sign says "every vehicle" must
stop. Regardless of how many were already stopped for it. First time I
ever heard of such a law.
Cameron Kaiser
>A-1291/S-1086 (Stender/Madden, Van Drew) - Repeals provision allowing
>vehicles, under certain conditions, to enter and proceed through stop
>intersection without stopping twice.
>Basically the law says if you are in a line of vehicles and already
>stopped once in a line, when the first vehicle starts, you can all go
>through at once.
But what are (were) the specific conditions under which it was allowed?
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GK
Well, in this Animal Farm state, even though the original law is valid
until June 6, 2008. its already disappeared from the online legislature
laws.
I'll see if I can find it. It might have said that all the vehicles
going through the stop sign at once may have to be going the same
direction i.e. straight or left turn, etc. The only other condition
would've been that the movement was continuous, i.e. if a vehicle in the
line hesitates or stops, you have to wait again.
In practicality it was used judiciously. In other words you wouldn't
necessarily expect the car or truck coming at you to follow the law and
stop for you, but it sure helped a lot having it.
GK
Sir Ray
MUTCD, which pretty much indicates that each vehicle will stop
regardless of how many vehicles stopped in front beforehand.
Of course, stopping is clearly defined as slowing to about 40% of the
speed limit when passing the sign before accelerating again if no
cross traffic, pedestrians, or [especially] cops are present :P
'In Jersey everything's legal, as long as you don't get caught'
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> Basically the law says if you are in a line of vehicles and already
> stopped once in a line, when the first vehicle starts, you can all go
> through at once.
I never knew this law existed despite many decades of driving in New
Jersey.
Actually, this law seems foolish to me. Just because the crossroad is
clear for the first vehicle does not mean it would be clear for anyone
else. The first vehicle may be cutting it very close, and a second
vehicle would get hit if it followed.
Vehicles not at the head of intersection may not have a clear view of
oncoming traffic.
Regarding stop signs, I believe there is a law that you don't have to
stop at the sign itself, but may creep up to the edge of the road and
stop there if necessary for greater visibility.
Laurence Sheldon
> Regarding stop signs, I believe there is a law that you don't have to
> stop at the sign itself, but may creep up to the edge of the road and
> stop there if necessary for greater visibility.
My strongly held belief is that you are required (certainly in most, if
not all states) to stop behind the limit line (if painted in the street)
or behind the crosswalk (which if not painted is the extension of the
sidewalk or where the sidewalk would be).
Truck drivers are taught to stop "behind the sign".
I believe it is generally permissible to "creep" forward from there fora
a better view, as long as there are no pedestrians involved (whether
pedestrians that have not stepped off the curb count is a matter of
opinion, it appears. Mine is that if they appear committed to crossing
or eye contact can not be made it is better to assume they will enter
the crosswalk).
GK
Actually NJ 39:4-155, the law that is being repealed June 6, 2008
requires traffic on the cross street not having the stop sign to stop
and yield for a line of vehicles or street cars that are passing through
the intersection according to law.
I found out that LOTS of lifelong NJ drivers never knew about this law.
I probably wouldn't either except I was in a state driving class about
35 years ago where the state trooper made sure everyone knew this.
The new law repeals N.J.S.A. 39:4-145, which allows one or more vehicles
entering a stop intersection, following directly in line with another
vehicle that has come to a complete stop, to proceed without again
coming to a complete stop before entering the stop intersection. With
the repeal N.J.S.A. 39:4-145 the provisions of N.J.S.A. 39:4-144 now
apply in all situations where a driver enters a stop intersection.
Specifically, a driver is prohibited from entering upon or crossing an
intersecting street marked with a "stop" sign unless the driver has
first brought the vehicle to a complete stop at a point within five feet
of the nearest crosswalk or stop line marked upon the pavement at the
near side of the intersecting street. The driver is permitted to proceed
only after yielding the right of way to all traffic on the intersecting
street.
This is a link to the NEW law:
http://www.muni-mail.com/munimail.php?news_id=367&start=0&category_id=5&parent_id=5&arcyear=&arcmonth=
Now, as far as the old law, still in effect to June 6th,
HERE's how that reads:
from http://www.lickyourtickets.com/trafficlaws/39_4_145.shtml
Traffic Laws
39:4-145. Line of vehicles entering stop or yield intersection after
stopping
One or more vehicles or street cars following directly in line with
another vehicle or street car and coming to a complete stop, caused by
the first vehicle or street car nearest the intersection complying with
section 39:4-144 of this Title, may proceed into or across the
intersecting street without again coming to a complete stop. No driver
of a vehicle or street car approaching the intersection on the
intersecting street shall fail to yield to the vehicle so proceeding
into or across the intersecting street.
Amended by L.1958, c. 114, p. 589, s. 5.
, p. 486, s. 5; L.1958, c. 114, p. 588, s. 4
THERE YOU HAVE IT