Another car crash kills 5 injure 10 - MEDIA YAWNS
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
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Sunday, November 29, 2009
LOUISIANA
5 killed, 10 injured in crash on interstate
A minivan packed with children blew a tire, clipped a delivery truck and
flipped over on a Louisiana interstate Saturday, killing five people and
critically injuring 10, state police said.
Thirteen children who were riding without seat belts were thrown from the
van, including four who died and were found in the median of Interstate 10
near Baton Rouge. All those killed and injured were aboard the GMC Safari
minivan.
The crash occurred after the front tire blew out on the driver's side,
police said. The van then hit the delivery truck traveling in the same
direction, rolled about 200 feet across the median and landed in the
oncoming lanes. No other vehicles were involved.
The driver of the van was among the dead. The driver of the truck steered
to the side of the road and was not injured.
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Tires don't "blow out" in this day and age. That's another lie from the
auto industry so we'll regard this as just another "accident". The driver
was speeding or on a cell or doing something reckless.
Dave C.
Tires do blow out in this day and age. A friend of mine was killed
recently by a brand new tire that exploded. It was a brand new tire,
never used. It had been mounted on a wheel, but the wheel hadn't been
re-mounted on a vehicle yet. But even in everyday ordinary driving,
properly inflated tires do fail suddenly at ordinary highway speeds. It
happens. It happens *more often* if tires are not inflated
properly. If they are low, they heat up faster, leading to more
premature failures.
The mystery here is how a tire blowing out caused the minivan driver
to lose control. When a tire fails at highway speeds, it will
definitely get your attention. There will be severe vibration,
especially in the steering wheel, and the vehicle will want to
pull to one side. But this will not cause a problem unless the
driver is incapacitated or distracted or simply incompetent. My
best guess on this one is that the driver likely was distracted by a
bunch of rowdy children. When the tire blew, the driver didn't react
quickly enough to maintain control, slow down...and steer the vehicle
off the travel lanes.
This isn't a mistake a typical commercial driver would make. But
transporting thirteen children would require a commercial license with
a Passenger endorsement. Maybe a "School Bus" endorsement as well.
You'd have to check Louisiana law to see which endorsements are
required, but this would definitely require some kind of commercial
license.
And I'm not sure a Safari would be an appropriate vehicle for this
use anyway. How many seat belts are in that minivan? It would
require something like 5 seating rows to accomodate 13 children plus
a driver. I've never seen a "minivan" with 5 seating rows.
I don't think the driver was speeding or on a cell phone. But just
from the information listed in the article, I'm betting charges would
have been filed against the driver of the Safari minivan, if he/she
had survived the incident. Lots of questionable stuff there. And
I'm betting he was transporting passengers without being licensed to
do so. -Dave
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
news:20091129130810...@nohow.never:
>
> The mystery here is how a tire blowing out caused the minivan driver
> to lose control. When a tire fails at highway speeds, it will
> definitely get your attention. There will be severe vibration,
> especially in the steering wheel, and the vehicle will want to
> pull to one side.
That's not a blowout. That's just a leak which eventually causes the tire
to go flat while driving. That happens a lot and has happened to me. No
big deal cause i immediately know what happened. Maybe this idiot
panicked.
necromancer
<< snip article as I couldn't care less >>
The media yawns as do we, seppo.
>Tires don't "blow out" in this day and age. That's another lie from the
>auto industry so we'll regard this as just another "accident". The driver
>was speeding or on a cell or doing something reckless.
I suppose you think they implode like bullis believes. You really are
one stupid piece of american (sic) shit.
--
Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS admits to being a
flaming homosexual who uses sexual favors on judges to
get away with highway crimes:
"
> As opposed to you who sucks off the judge to get away
> with your crimes.
>
> Is that how you got away with 41 in a 25, speedie? :)
>
So you admit the judge was bribed?. Good - glad i
convinced you of that much anyway."
-- Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS - 7/13/09
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Brent
> The mystery here is how a tire blowing out caused the minivan driver
> to lose control. When a tire fails at highway speeds, it will
> definitely get your attention. There will be severe vibration,
> especially in the steering wheel, and the vehicle will want to
> pull to one side. But this will not cause a problem unless the
> driver is incapacitated or distracted or simply incompetent. My
> best guess on this one is that the driver likely was distracted by a
> bunch of rowdy children. When the tire blew, the driver didn't react
> quickly enough to maintain control, slow down...and steer the vehicle
> off the travel lanes.
No mystery really... the typical panic-braking reaction will cause a
loss of control or it occured while braking.
wis...@yahoo.com
MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
Considering, at least judging by the names, the victims were Black.
Could be a matter of poor vehicle maintenance.
ted
bbelly
>
> Tires don't "blow out" in this day and age. That's another lie from the
> auto industry so we'll regard this as just another "accident". The driver
> was speeding or on a cell or doing something reckless.
Just a quick question ...
What colour is the sky in your world
amykae
True. They do blow.
> The mystery here is how a tire blowing out caused the minivan driver
> to lose control. When a tire fails at highway speeds, it will
> definitely get your attention. There will be severe vibration,
> especially in the steering wheel, and the vehicle will want to
> pull to one side. But this will not cause a problem unless the
> driver is incapacitated or distracted or simply incompetent. My
> best guess on this one is that the driver likely was distracted by a
> bunch of rowdy children. When the tire blew, the driver didn't react
> quickly enough to maintain control, slow down...and steer the vehicle
> off the travel lanes.
I learned recently these are also the symptoms of someone loosening
the lugnuts. :( Even though when the front tire came off I had no
problem controlling the car. I was not a minivan although. Even
with rowdy children. Incapacitated by hypothermia <long story> and
distracted <by life>.
>
> This isn't a mistake a typical commercial driver would make. But
> transporting thirteen children would require a commercial license with
> a Passenger endorsement. Maybe a "School Bus" endorsement as well.
> You'd have to check Louisiana law to see which endorsements are
> required, but this would definitely require some kind of commercial
> license.
Louisiana will put you in jail for no child restraints. Don't know
what a "bus" requires.
>
> And I'm not sure a Safari would be an appropriate vehicle for this
> use anyway. How many seat belts are in that minivan? It would
> require something like 5 seating rows to accomodate 13 children plus
> a driver. I've never seen a "minivan" with 5 seating rows.
>
> I don't think the driver was speeding or on a cell phone. But just
> from the information listed in the article, I'm betting charges would
> have been filed against the driver of the Safari minivan, if he/she
> had survived the incident. Lots of questionable stuff there. And
> I'm betting he was transporting passengers without being licensed to
> do so. -Dave - Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dave C.
>
> I learned recently these are also the symptoms of someone loosening
> the lugnuts. :( Even though when the front tire came off I had no
> problem controlling the car. I was not a minivan although. Even
> with rowdy children. Incapacitated by hypothermia <long story> and
> distracted <by life>.
Ok, who did you piss off? Somebody wanted you disappeared.
>
> >
> > This isn't a mistake a typical commercial driver would make. But
> > transporting thirteen children would require a commercial license
> > with a Passenger endorsement. Maybe a "School Bus" endorsement as
> > well. You'd have to check Louisiana law to see which endorsements
> > are required, but this would definitely require some kind of
> > commercial license.
>
> Louisiana will put you in jail for no child restraints. Don't know
> what a "bus" requires.
Interesting. That tells me that the driver was not licensed to
transport passengers. No commercial driver would risk felony charges
while driving. So...we know that the driver was NOT licensed to
operate the vehicle in question. Not at the time of the incident,
anyway. This incident started sometime before the key was inserted
into the ignition. The vehicle was wrong. Even if the vehicle had been
proper, the DRIVER was mis-matched to the vehicle / not licensed to
operate that particular vehicle.
I'd never think of a minivan as a bus, although some of them are put to
that use, with official markings and all. It's been a while since I
studied for those exams, but I believe my state (NY) would require all
of the following to make the fated journey in the OP:
1) Vehicle with 14 or more seating positions, all with seatbelts
(unless it's a school bus, oddly enough)
2) Driver with Class B or Class A commercial license (Class B CDL)
3) Driver with P / Passenger Endorsement on commercial license
4) Driver with S / School Bus Endorsement on commercial license
From what I can tell, the incident in the OP met exactly ZERO of the
four requirements. Louisiana law could be different though. -Dave