Are speed bumps getting out of hand?

[Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year]

Some of them are so high that no matter how slow you go, it's an
adventure.

[Alan Baker]

In article
<b6a00eff-3531-4bb2...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
"Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"

<xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Some of them are so high that no matter how slow you go, it's an
> adventure.

Sounds like you're speeding to me...

...and that makes you a murderer, doesn't it?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

[Nate Nagel]

On 11/21/2012 03:51 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article
> <b6a00eff-3531-4bb2...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
> "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"
> <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Some of them are so high that no matter how slow you go, it's an
>> adventure.
>
> Sounds like you're speeding to me...
>
> ...and that makes you a murderer, doesn't it?
>

I find myself in the odd position of being on SADDAM's side on this
one... what the hell is wrong with the world. I'm scared. Hold me.

n

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
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[Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year]

On Nov 21, 1:51 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article
> <b6a00eff-3531-4bb2-b900-afc2bbd88...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,

>  "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"
>

>  <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Some of them are so high that no matter how slow you go,  it's an
> > adventure.
>
> Sounds like you're speeding to me...
>

Taking a speed bump at 2 mph is speeding??

[Alan Baker]

In article
<ea99554e-593d-461f...@l12g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,

"Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"

Please show me a speed bump where you need to take it at 2mph...

[Nate Nagel]

On 11/25/2012 12:29 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article
> <ea99554e-593d-461f...@l12g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
> "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"
> <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 21, 1:51 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <b6a00eff-3531-4bb2-b900-afc2bbd88...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
>>> "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"
>>>
>>> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Some of them are so high that no matter how slow you go, it's an
>>>> adventure.
>>>
>>> Sounds like you're speeding to me...
>>>
>>
>> Taking a speed bump at 2 mph is speeding??
>
> Please show me a speed bump where you need to take it at 2mph...
>

Again, I find myself in the odd position of having to agree with SADDAM,
but I've seen some locally that are so tall that they will scrape a
"sporty" car's undercarriage at *any* speed because they're simply
taller than some vehicles' ground clearance.

nate

[Alan Baker]

In article <k8t4p...@news6.newsguy.com>,

I've got a reasonably sporty car with the ride height set lower than
stock and I've still never seen such a speed bump, and Vancouver has
some big ones.

:-)

[TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher]

On Nov 17, 12:29 am, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"

<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Some of them are so high that no matter how slow you go,  it's an
> adventure.

They are a nice challenge for SUVs.

Well, maybe a minor nuisance.

[TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher]

On Nov 21, 3:51 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article

> <b6a00eff-3531-4bb2-b900-afc2bbd88...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,

>  "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"
>

>  <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Some of them are so high that no matter how slow you go,  it's an
> > adventure.
>
> Sounds like you're speeding to me...
>
> ...and that makes you a murderer, doesn't it?
>
> --
> Alan Baker
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
> to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
> sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

Maybe she got a low rider. Let's not assume the worst.

[Ashton Crusher]

On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:23:46 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
wrote:

On streets they are not so much bumps as humps. But in a lot of
parking lots the are just bumps and you do have to slow down to less
then 5 mph to make sure you don't damage something.

[Alan Baker]

In article <7nu4b81flp49b9dp6...@4ax.com>,

Even in parking lots, I don't think I've encountered a speed bump that
would actually DAMAGE anything from going over it faster than that.

[harry k]

On Nov 25, 12:56 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article <7nu4b81flp49b9dp6ufmm7vd7pamq2n...@4ax.com>,
>  Ashton Crusher <d...@moore.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:23:46 -0800, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > >In article <k8t4p002...@news6.newsguy.com>,

> > > Nate Nagel <njna...@roosters.net> wrote:
>
> > >> On 11/25/2012 12:29 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
> > >> > In article

> > >> > <ea99554e-593d-461f-972e-095367d40...@l12g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,

I've bottomed out on them by taking them at the wrong speed.

Harry K

[Alan Baker]

In article
<31cf476e-3236-4090...@ah9g2000pbd.googlegroups.com>,

How fast were you going?

[Harry K]

On Nov 25, 7:22 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article

> <31cf476e-3236-4090-8b28-e42deb9e8...@ah9g2000pbd.googlegroups.com>,

Obviously teh "wrong" speed which has zippo to do with speeding as you
are implying.
Clue - it has to do with the reaction time of the suspension system.
Hit it at the wrong speed and the car can be comind _down_ as the
speed bump is passing the low points of the chassis.

In fact "speeding" would eliminate the problem.

but don't let facts get in your way.

Harry K

[Alan Baker]

In article
<df34831c-13f6-4bfa...@vb8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,

I'm not implying anything like that. Honestly: I'm just curious.

> Clue - it has to do with the reaction time of the suspension system.
> Hit it at the wrong speed and the car can be comind _down_ as the
> speed bump is passing the low points of the chassis.
>
> In fact "speeding" would eliminate the problem.
>
> but don't let facts get in your way.

You're imagining something that doesn't exist, Harry.

[Harry K]

On Nov 26, 11:29 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article

> <df34831c-13f6-4bfa-99c8-d48192d5a...@vb8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,

Surrreee I am.

Harry K

[Alan Baker]

In article
<504c7a93-1266-4a04...@kt16g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,

Yup. Sorry to burst your bubble.

:-)

[Brent]

On 2012-11-26, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:

>> Clue - it has to do with the reaction time of the suspension system.
>> Hit it at the wrong speed and the car can be comind _down_ as the
>> speed bump is passing the low points of the chassis.
>>
>> In fact "speeding" would eliminate the problem.
>>
>> but don't let facts get in your way.
>
> You're imagining something that doesn't exist, Harry.

Mass - spring - damper system. Speed simply has to be 'wrong', not high
or low, just such that the suspension travel is enough for part of the
car to hit the hump/bump.

Most speed humps and bumps were designed by people without a clue who
didn't even look at the relevant engineering texts to know even what
the dimensions should be. This only makes the problem worse. The
by-the-book design at least had some thought put in to it so few
vehicles would have an issue.

[Nate Nagel]

I remember having this discussion with Frank Krygowski ages ago...
probably about 10 years ago I lived in a neighborhood where the only way
in or out involved going over two speed bumps (yes, on public roads -
this was not a gated community, it was just one of those neighborhoods
that was designed so that there's only one way in or out. I don't like
that either, but it's disturbingly common in this area and hard to
avoid.) They were literally taller than the clearance that I had
between the resonator and the ground on my then-DD VW Scirocco. After
scraping four times a day for several months, my exhaust fell apart at
one of the welds of the resonator (shocker!) so I had a local shop weld
in a straight pipe in place of the resonator. My neighbors probably
loved it, but fuck 'em, they were probably the same assholes that
lobbied for the speed bumps in the first place.

My current vehicles are a Jeep Cherokee and a BMW 3-series coupe; the
former obviously has no problem at all but in the latter, there are a
couple local speed bumps that I will go out of my way to avoid after
nearly biting my tongue off dropping the chassis onto one of them.
Fortunately there was no damage to the vehicle that I could discern. I
am a little annoyed at those wacky Krauts though as I do consider the
vehicle excessively difficult to get underneath (to the point where I'm
going to have to buy a new floor jack at some point, as my current one
will not fit under the car without driving the car on some 2x6s first)
but the fact remains that it's stock (does have M-sport suspension
option) and unmodified (in fact, my winter tires are 225/50-17 rather
than the factory recommended 225/45-17 so I actually am sitting a little
taller than the factory intended ATM,) and there's scads of them on the
roads around here (along with various Porsches, Maseratii, etc. which
have similar ground clearance.)

I can't find a spec in the owner's manual but it appears that the ground
clearance of an '09 E92 coupe is about 4.5" or so.

[Nate Nagel]

Actually, he's right - if you happen to cross a speed bump at a speed at
which the suspension will be tending to let the body continue falling
past the "rest" position after the front wheels drop to the pavement off
the speed bump before the rear wheels hit said bump, you can actually
bottom out on a speed bump that you wouldn't get high centered on at
near-zero speed, nor would you hit it at a significantly higher speed.

The right solution, of course, is to not have the infernal things in the
first place.

[Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year]

On Nov 26, 3:41 pm, Nate Nagel <njna...@roosters.net> wrote:

>
> The right solution, of course, is to not have the infernal things in the
> first place.
>

What do you replace them with?. And don't say just let people drive
as fast as they wish.

I think speed bumps are a great idea that has been carried too far in
some cases. Without them, psychos would be racing
at 30 mph thru parking lots.

[Harry K]

On Nov 26, 9:15 pm, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"

How about inverting them? IOW put a trench across the road the
approximate shape
and depth of the normal speed bump. Should accomplish the same
purpose and no danger of scraping a low slung vehicle.

Harry K

[Mr.B1ack]

Then they'd tend to fill in, fill with water or, in
northern climes, fill with ice right where you need
stopping traction to be uninterrupted.

Thing is, they're just plain getting out of hand.
What's needed are some lawsuits filed by people
with damaged cars and/or cycles/scooters that were
damaged or, better yet, bounced off the road into
an injury-causing crash.

As soon as they things are seen as a cash liability
waiting to happen they'll largely disappear or at
least some standard, less odious, bump will be
codified by the FHSB or DOTs.

Of course if you're evil-minded you could try just
driving around the things when possible - right up
through someones very expensive lawn - preferably
with a vehicle that'll tear up a lot of turf :-)

[Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year]

They'd collect water for one thing and that would cause trouble. You
want to put a drain in each one too and connect it to a
storm sewer.?

[Harry K]

On Nov 29, 8:01 pm, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"

<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 26, 10:42 pm, Harry K <turn...@q.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 26, 9:15 pm, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"
>
> > <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 26, 3:41 pm, Nate Nagel <njna...@roosters.net> wrote:
>
> > > > The right solution, of course, is to not have the infernal things in the
> > > > first place.
>
> > > What do you replace them with?.  And don't say just let people drive
> > > as fast as they wish.
>
> > > I think speed bumps are a great idea that has been carried too far in
> > > some cases. Without them, psychos would be racing
> > > at 30 mph thru parking lots.
>
> > How about inverting them?  IOW put a trench across the road the
> > approximate shape
> > and depth of the normal speed bump.  Should accomplish the same
> > purpose and no danger of scraping a low slung vehicle.
>
> > Harry K
>

<snip> post of no sense.

Harry K

[Daniel W. Rouse Jr.]

"Nate Nagel" <njn...@roosters.net> wrote in message
news:k8t4p...@news6.newsguy.com...

I've observed that those with the sporty or low-rider vehicles often drive
over the speed bumps diagonally rather than straight on, if they can't drive
around the speed bump. They do have to also go very slow over the bump.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 11/21/2012 5:35 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
> On 11/21/2012 03:51 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> In article
>> <b6a00eff-3531-4bb2...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
>> "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"
>> <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Some of them are so high that no matter how slow you go, it's an
>>> adventure.
>>
>> Sounds like you're speeding to me...
>>
>> ...and that makes you a murderer, doesn't it?
>>
>
> I find myself in the odd position of being on SADDAM's side on this
> one... what the hell is wrong with the world. I'm scared. Hold me.
>
> n
>

I only have problems on 4 wheels - I can stand and go over speed humps
at 35 mph on my Honda Elite scooter with its 12 and 10-inch wheels with
no problem, that will send my Nissan Frontier into the air at 20 mph.

Speed humps are really cool when someone is mindlessly tailgating me
when I am on a moto, and I hear their undercarriage scrape as they land. :)

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