Re: Ron Link Victim of Christopher Roiland Fraud and Defamation
serebel
wonder you ran SE into the ground.
Brent Hanson - LASIKFRAUD.com
I don't have a lot of sympathy for you getting the same treatment from
Christopher Roiland, aka "Ragnar".
Ragnar
and retraction to all the asses out there for associated them with
him.
Glenn - USAEyes.org
Everything I have ever said about you to anybody is accurate, I have
legitimate reason to believe is accurate, or is clearly my opinion. I
have not defamed you.
As always: Sue me or keep your meritless accusations to yourself.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
Ragnar
prominence, so how could it be run into the ground? A better
description would be that you "parked" it. I'm amazed the new SE
people bother to stick with the SE name after what you did with it. Oh
wait.. I think they did change the name, but kept the website domain
to retain some sort of internet ranking.
I don't know what your definition of helping people is. LASIK has
vastly improved the vision of about 10 million people, including
making me 20/20 when I was previously blind.. and not one person has
ever died from LASIK. Name one other surgery that has not had a
single fatality. Liposuction has has thousands of fatalities.
On 3 Dec 2005 13:22:54 -0800, lin...@gmail.com wrote:
>SE wasn't run into the ground by me, you are so uninformed. It achieved
>international prominence, helped a great many people who needed contact
>lens remediation dry eye solutions, emotional comfort, and improved
>LASIK as a surgical procedure. Any reputable LASIK surgeon can tell you
>that. If SE was anything less than the work it achieved, how is that we
>had so many doctors listed and participating and hundreds of letters of
>thanks from patients who needed and got help through our referral
>network? SE was able to achieve a world of good. It couldn't continue
>at the level it had achieved because I got tired and it takes a good
>deal of money to set up conferences, present the latest in eye care
>developments, attend and participate at conventions, communicate via
>the phone for hours upon hours with doctors and patients long-distance,
>etc. It was everything that it put itself out there to be. The proof
>exists and you can never change that with your prattle and gibberish.
>I've moved on in life. I intend to do good in other areas as well. It's
>why I'm getting my Master's. It's why I do the work that I currently
>do. It's why what I do currently is quickly being acknowledged because
>I bring the same dedication and drive to it as I did to SE. I didn't
>flunk out of law school (yet another example of his Roiland's libel) -
>I withdrew because I realized that the core that drove SE which was a
>spirit of arbitration and cooperation was where my future should be - I
>made friends with my law professors, went to dinner with them, I could
>have been a great lawyer if I had decided that's what I wanted to do,
>but I didn't and my law school professors who remain my friends
>supported and respected my decision). I am compelled to the right the
>wrongs perpretrated by Roiland and Hagele because I will continue to
>work and do things that help society and individuals as effectively as
>I possibly can. I intend to go far in my chosen profession and the
>intentional torts they committed have to be confronted and revealed for
>the lies that they are. I won't have it any other way. If I don't fight
>for the truth, they get away with evil, and that's just not acceptable
>to me at a core level.
Ragnar
names thanking you for supporting their cause, and another 10
anonymous letters of thanks? That is pathetic!
The 2nd URL is a listing of every organization you managed to con into
letting them list their organization on your webstie. Most if not all
of them either don't have any idea who you are, or hold you in
contempt.
I'm flabbergasted that you would list that trash as "accomplishments".
On 3 Dec 2005 16:55:10 -0800, lin...@gmail.com wrote:
>My definition of helping people?:
>
>http://www.surgicaleyes.org/Comments_Letters.htm
>
>http://www.surgicaleyes.org/Accomplishments_May_1999_to_Now.htm
>
>You can't argue with the truth above know matter how much you lied in
>the past and continue to try lie now.
>
>You cannot defeat the truth Christopher Roiland.
Glenn - USAEyes.org
promoted malicious libel. I have not lied about you. Everything I
have ever said about you to anybody is accurate, I have legitimate
reason to believe is accurate, or is clearly my opinion. I have not
defamed you.
As always: Sue me or keep your meritless accusations to yourself, Ron
Link.
Glenn - USAEyes.org
>his wife, "don't make me do this." Who's making who do what here?
Nice analogy.
Glenn - USAEyes.org
Everything I have ever said about you to anybody is accurate, I have
legitimate reason to believe is accurate, or is clearly my opinion. I
have not defamed you.
As always: Sue me or keep your meritless accusations to yourself.
Glenn - USAEyes.org
about you. Everything I have ever said about you to anybody is
accurate, I have legitimate reason to believe is accurate, or is
clearly my opinion. I have not defamed you.
As always: Sue me or keep your meritless accusations to yourself, Ron
Link.
Ragnar
>In article <1133644974.6...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> lin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've moved on in life. I intend to do good in other areas as well. It's
>> why I'm getting my Master's. It's why I do the work that I currently
>> do. It's why what I do currently is quickly being acknowledged because
>> I bring the same dedication and drive to it as I did to SE. I didn't
>> flunk out of law school (yet another example of his Roiland's libel) -
>> I withdrew because I realized that the core that drove SE which was a
>> spirit of arbitration and cooperation was where my future should be - I
>> made friends with my law professors, went to dinner with them, I could
>> have been a great lawyer if I had decided that's what I wanted to do,
>> but I didn't and my law school professors who remain my friends
>> supported and respected my decision). I am compelled to the right the
>> wrongs perpretrated by Roiland and Hagele because I will continue to
>> work and do things that help society and individuals as effectively as
>> I possibly can. I intend to go far in my chosen profession and the
>> intentional torts they committed have to be confronted and revealed for
>> the lies that they are. I won't have it any other way. If I don't fight
>> for the truth, they get away with evil, and that's just not acceptable
>> to me at a core level.
>
>Ron, If you have moved on in life, why are you rehashing this?
>Methinks you doth protest to much. By not really moving on, you are
>holding yourself back from really getting to work in this "new
>profession" whatever it is. It is beginning to sound like a delay
>tactic. If you had really moved on, you wouldn't be on this NG, you'd be
>out doing whatever this new profession is. It may be a new scary world
>out there, but let go of this one.
>
>Bye, we'll miss you.
Yes... he will be missed like one misses a cancerous tumor that has
been removed.
Ron is very proud of the failure of SE and his forced departure from
it. I suppose he is most proud of defending LVI and it's world record
number of eye infections in one day (the video for which can be viewed
online). His complete hypocrisy is why he lost the support of
everyone that he conned over the years. Over time, his own words and
actions came back to bite him in the butt.
It would be nice if we could stop tallking about Ron Link, but he
apparently has some crazy legal strategy of provoking people into
saying things that he thinks will do him some good. I have never
posted a new message involving him. My messages were replies to his
asinine, hypocritical, and misleading statements. It's a bit like
someone saying that 2+2=5, then someone saying "No, 2+2=4" then he
would say ""im going to sue you for saying 2+2=4"
Ragnar
to scare people with successful refractive surgeries into pursuing
premature "rehabilitation" before the procedure was even given a
chance to heal.
On 8 Dec 2005 18:02:05 -0800, lin...@gmail.com wrote:
>Surgical Eyes, www.surgicaleyes.org, was an organization created to
>help people with unsuccessful refractive surgeries. It worked with a
>network of over 80
>lasik surgeons and optometrists, was represented at national ophthalmic
>and optometric meetings, supported by many prominent lasik surgeons and
>optometrists, and received hundreds of letters and emails of thanks as
>well as recognition in the media for their work, and was featured in
>over 140 global media outlets (often in respected health-related
>magazines and reputable radio show formats).
>Unfortunately, there were those who sought to harm the work and founder
>of this organization through libelous statements and criminal threats.
>This public posting is a standing demand for Christopher Roiland to
>remove the offending material cited below at once.
>It is illegal to fabricate and publish falsehoods that harm and injure
>through systematic malicious intent. Retract your statements now. If
>you do not, I reserve the right to bring all relevant claims in court
>and to seek damages against you, personally.
>
>Roiland's libelous statements:
>(1) On April 25, 2003, Roiland sent a group email to over 60 doctors
>who were participants on my web site (listed their contact information,
>medical specialty and/or answered questions on my bulletin board). On
>April 30, 2003, Roiland also posted the contents of that email at
>alt.lasik.eyes:
>"Dr. Maloney of California is a CRSQA certified surgeon and
>supposedly very good. He has sponsored Surgical Eyes in the past
>monetarily. NOW they have turned on him and bash him constantly in the
>
>news groups. Ron doesn't do this himself but his partner Brent
>Hanson do this for him. Brent and Ron's biggest collaborative effort
>was to try and extort $350,000 from TLC. They had been trashing TLC
>constantly, and then negotiated a deal where TLC would pay them off
>$350,000 to stop the bashing. specifically, Brent promised and did
>take down his www.lasikcourt.com website. When TLC didn't pay up,
>Brent promptly put his website back up and resumed his attacks! This
>is not my claim -this is what Brent himself posted less than a month
>ago. If this isn't extortion, I don't know what is. In other words,
>if you choose to dis-associate yourself from Ron Link, you can expect
>to be trashed in the public internet forums. All Ron Link is, is a
>former fireman who has made it his life's work to capitalize on the
>reputations of doctors to fill his coffers."
>[Dr. Maloney, Elias Vamvakas (TLC's CEO) and Dr. Jeffrey Machat (former
>medical director of TLC) can confirm that all of these statements by
>Roiland are absolute lies]
>(2) On April 26, 2003, Roiland sent a group email to the aforementioned
>
>doctors. On April 30, 2003, Roiland posted the contents of that email
>on alt.lasik.eyes:
>"Unless I am missing something, Ron's education consists of a high
>school diploma and some non-credit courses at USF in how to set up a
>non-profit organization. In other words, the definitive huckster"
>[I have a BA, credits towards a law degree, numerous other
>certifications
>related to the fire service, and working on my Master's]
>(3) On April 30, 2003 sent a group email to the aforementioned doctors.
>
>Also on April 30, 2003, Roiland posted the contents of that email on
>alt.lasik.eyes:
>"The site is essentially Ron setting up a non-profit organization so
>he can bring in money while still collecting disability for a unrelated
>issue.
>"He conspires with people such as Brent Hanson of www.lasikcourt.com
>and Sandy Keller of www.lasikdisaster.com and RogerBratt of
>www.lasiksos.com to scare people into seeking out the services of
>unscrupulous doctors.
>"Ron, together with his partners have tried to extort money from
>companies and doctors. If they don't pay up, they get negative review
>on their various websites."
>[I am not on disability nor have I ever stated that I am. I have never
>conspired with Hanson, Bratt nor Keller.]
>(4) The following are instances of libel that were posted in the
>alt.lasik.eyes newsgroup:
>a. On April 5, 2003 11:37:02 PST, Roiland posted:
>"Surgical Eyes which is the invention of extortion created by Ron
>Link has in the past tried (and failed) to extort hundreds of thousands
>
>of dollars from TLC in a partnership with Brent Hanson. The two of
>them work as a team. Sandy is always in the picture also."
>[Absolute lie.]
>b. On April 9, 2003 22:11:54 PST, Roiland posted:
>"What qualifies Ron Link to have an opinion about anything. The man
>suffered permanent brain damage and personality disorders as a result
>of a beating. Well, bless his heart, but we can certainly find someone
>
>more appropriate for opinions."
>[I do not have permanent brain damage or any personality disorders.]
>c. On April 23, 2003 12:48:35 PST, Roiland posted:
>"The one surgeon I found who has heard of Ron said: "Is he still
>around? He used to hit me up for "donations", I finally told him to
>get lost and he told me "you'll be sorry" "
>[Absolute lie. I've never used the phrase "you'll be sorry" in
>conversations with anyone, let alone a surgeon.]
>d. On April 23, 2003 19:33 PST, Roiland posted:
>"I hear you are about to crank up your extortion machine again! All
>you doctors out there can expect a call from Ron soon. Supposedly, one
>
>of Ron's lines to doctors who say no to join him is "well, read my
>website, other doctors who don't initially join my site later found
>it is in their best interest to do so". If this isn't a veiled
>threat I don't know what is.."
>[Absolute lie].
>e. On April 25, 2003 15:42:28 PST, Roiland posted:
>"I then called my ophthalmologist who is probably the best lasik
>surgeon in the state - he certainly has the most credentials - if
>he ever heard of Ron Link. He said YES! He had never heard of you until
>
>you called him recently and were hitting him up for money. He asked
>you flat out "why should I donate money to you?" and you
>couldn't' come up with a reason"
>[Absolute lie].
>f. On April 30, 2003 08:21:16 PST, Roiland posted:
>"This is kind of like that infamous "FDA" meeting which was a
>meeting put together by Ron Link, and the primary speaker was Ron Link.
>
> The FDA donated the use of the lecture room and the coffee, napkins
>and cookies. That makes it an FDA meeting"
>[I've attended and spoken at FDA meetings put together by the US
>government. Easily verified through public record and otherwise. It's
>pretty unwise to claim that anyone other than the government puts
>together FDA
>meetings].
>g. On April 8, 2003 11:01:11 PST, Roiland posted:
>"This is exactly what I was referring to...this was a "Ron Link"
>meeting. It is chock full of false statistics."
>[Libeling an FDA meeting and me in one post]
>h. On April 23, 2003 19:33:48 PST, Roiland posted:
>"As I recall, it was Brent and Ron that conspired to extort over
>$300,000 from TLC. Brent even admitted in detail how he and Ron did
>this."
>[Absolute lie].
>i. On April 23, 2003 20:22:16 PST, Roiland posted:
>"Ron just finished off evading all taxes for the year 2002, so now
>he's ready to go fishing for more extortion money to keep him going."
>[
>Absolute lie. I have always paid taxes on my income].
>j. On May 1, 2003 14:28:15 PST, Roiland posted:
>"But Brent Hanson and Ron Link teamed up to try and extort roughly
>$350,000 out of TLC. That was their third and last attempt at doing
>that".
>[Absolute lie].
>k. On May 11, 2203 17:24:04 PST, Roiland posted:
>"Ron DIDN'T make the 2nd call to Dr. U in which he claims to have
>discussed me, he DID make a previous call trying to extort money out of
>
>Dr. U though"
>[Absolute lie. I called Dr. Updegraff's office to ask
>if we could list him on our website and the response was yes. I also
>informed his office of Roiland's libel and claim to have been at an
>Updegraff event where he saw someone affiliated with me which was
>absolute nonsense].
>l. On June 5, 2003 10:56:18 PST, Roiland posted:
>"Dr. Kopon and Dr. Gemoules seem to be the only two competent doctors
>that participate here. Then there are the 3 Stooge doctors that hang
>around Ron Link like klingon dingle berries. (Minarik, Hartzok, and
>Russell)
>BTW, on the 21st the 3 Stooges are appearing with the Weakest Link in
>Tampa. Boy are they in for a nasty surprise...."
>[Roiland threatened to disrupt a Surgical Eyes meeting held under the
>auspices
>of Tampa Memorial Hospital on June 21, 2003. Tampa police made the
>on-duty shift aware of this threat and hospital security assigned
>personnel to the meeting room in case he showed up].
>m. On June 11, 2003 19:25:53 PST, Roiland posted:
>"BTW, Dr. Rothman IS a menace to his field and he lasted only about
>6 months even at LVI. I did this region a great service by getting rid
>
>of him. Next project is that meeting of loonies in Tampa on the 21st.
>That will be like the "Twit Olympics" sketch on Monty Python."
>
>[Another threat]
>n. On June 19, 2003 04:36:22 PST, Roiland posted:
>"That is the reason some DO pay his extorntion [sic] money. They
>either pay, or he attacks them. One might wonder if his organized
>crime methods weren't what instigated the attack he suffered that left
>him with brain damage and personality disorders that rendered him
>incapable of working anymore."
>[I have never extorted money from anyone. I have never attacked
>surgeons in any forum or in the media. I do not have brain damage nor
>any personality disorders. I have worked since my attack in 1995 and am
>currently employed]
>o. On October 1, 2003 23:09:39 PST, Roiland posted:
>"It's amusing to see people thank Ron for creating SE. He didn't
>create squat. He stole someone elses website and presented it as his
>own with a different URL." [The site Roiland is referring to is
>www.kcenter.org is run by an eye care associate who consulted with me
>when he was building his website which actually emerged after
>www.surgicaleyes.org and looked very much like it because he used the
>bulletin board company I recommended.]
>p. On November 10, 2003 11:35:28 PST, Roiland posted:
>"You won't see SE pick on them because LVI pays them extortion
>money"
>[Absolute lie. LVI never even made a donation to my
>organization. We had accountants. We underwent a successful audit
>during the one year we had enough donations to necessitate an automatic
>
>audit and we hired an outside firm to do the audit. I have a copy of
>that successful audit.]
>q. On January 11, 2004 00:24:38 PST, Roiland posted:
>"I have mentioned this before, but it got ignored - Ron started the
>SE website by first taking some non-credit courses in marketing at USF,
>then cloning the structure and much of the content of another website."
>
>[Absolute lie. I took courses at USF after the creation of SE. The
>creator of another website, www.kcenter.org consulted with me, Roiland
>has it completely backward]
>r. On Oct 20, 2004, 10:15 pm, Roiland posted on alt.lasik-eyes:
>"I forgot Ron Link was involved with that fiasco. Ironic that he has
>no qualms about disrupting other people's meetings, but he gets
>completely bent out of shape at the mere hint of anyone disrupting his
>silly meeting of malcontents (which was the last one they ever had).
>Incidentally, I was at a gathering involving LASIK surgeon Dr.
>Updegraff. I recognized one of Ron's top attack dogs there trying to
>stir up trouble."
>[I've never disrupted a meeting in my life and
>had no "top dog" at Dr. Updegraff's meeting.]
>s. On November 9, 2004 at 4:48 pm, Roiland posted:
>"You already embezzled all their available funds with your "website
>maintenance fees". You have sucked them dry already."
>[Absolute lie.]
>t. On Dec 27 2004, 1:00am, Roiland posted on alt.lasik-eyes: "I don't
>know why Ron keeps beating a dead horse, but he seems determined to
>propagate the idea that Surgical Eyes helped people. Without going into
>
>a long diatribe about how that is nonsense, I will give one example of
>what a disaster SE was.
>The Lasik Vision Institute or LVI is well known to have the highest
>incidence of complications of any chain of laser centers. Specifically,
>
>the Tampa branch of LVI run by Marco Musa had perhaps a world record
>number of complications in one day in that they infected the eyes of
>almost every one of their two dozen patients that they had one day. A
>T.V. news report was done on this and a class action suit was filed.
>In that T.V. report, they interviewed Ron Link. Incredibly, Link in
>effect defended LVI by saying that these types of complications were
>normal, and not unusual. In the same report, the most prominent LASIK
>surgeon in the Tampa Bay region said he's done over 30,000 procedures
>without a single infection. Sounds to me that all those infections in
>one day were far from business as usual. This is just one example of
>LVI's abuses. Now... one might ask why the headquarters of Surgical
>Eyes and the home of Ron Link is within walking distance of Tampa's
>LVI, yet they have never lifted a finger to attack them in any way at
>all.
>Someone suggested that organizations that "donate" some money to SE
>don't get negative reports and those that don't donate get "leaned on".
>
> [Absolute lie.]
>u. On December 27, 2004 at 10:14 pm, Roiland posted:
>"I have no doubt that more people have been hurt than helped by
>SE."
>[I have a few hundred emails to the contrary. For a public
>posting that is still up, see:
>http://www.surgicaleyes.org/Comments_Letters.htm]
>v. On Feb 26, 2005, at 4:21 am, Roiland posted:
>"There is no instrument used in the lasik procedure that isn't
>disposable.. Now when a company such as LVI decides to increase their
>profit margin by $50 on each eye by reusing those disposable $50
>blades.. then there are problems. Amazingly, even though these
>problems were known at the Tampa LVI, good ol' Ron Link got on camera
>and esplained that the incidence of over 20 eye infections in one day
>is not unusual for LASIK. Then Dr. Updegraff got on the same news
>report and said that in his entire career he had not had even one eye
>infection from LASIK. Sounds to me like someone is a liar and took
>some payola from LVI."
>[Absolute lie].
>w. Nov 27, 2005 at 3:32 pm "....Paula Cofer in Florida (who shares
>a trailer with Link)."
>[Absolute lie]
>x. Dec 3, 8:30 pm ...$5000 to do a 2 hour transfer of the SE database?
>
>[Absolute lie]
>y. Dec 3, 8:30 pm ...disability payments
>[Absolute lie]
>(5) Roiland also emailed false and injurious statements to Optical
>Connections, Inc., a sponsor of The Surgical Eyes News,
>(http://www.surgicaleyes.org/Newsletter/07_03/Newsletter_July_2003.htm)
>an e-journal dedicated to medical rehabilitation after refractive
>surgery. The Surgical Eyes Foundation was made aware of this by Sandra
>Zuccaro-Keyes, Optical Connection Inc.'s Director of Professional and
>Customer Service who opined that this was a libelous action by Roiland.
Ragnar
RT
lin...@gmail.com wrote:
> I hate to bother them,
LOL ROTFL really really hard
--
~RT