Am I here?
DougD
pay as I go to a yearly thing, maybe...
d.
Lostgallifreyan
> So, just checking, moved back to a local newserver while I change from
> pay as I go to a yearly thing, maybe...
>
> d.
>
Some quantum theorists would say not unless you were observed, so consider
the wave function thoroughly and securely disturbed. :) This long after Bohr
and Schroedinger there really ought to be better wit that that but I can't
think of some.
DougD
Oh, I dunno, that was pretty witty, at least I can now sit for the rest of the
evening and consider if "am I here?..."
Anywho, Happy Holidays to those that are "There"!!
d.
Dave
> In article <Xns9CEAC0FC7F35Azoodlewur...@216.196.109.145>, Lostgallifreyan <no-...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> >m...@here.com (DougD) wrote innews:MAtYm.2196$8e4....@newsfe03.iad:
>
> >> So, just checking, moved back to a local newserver while I change from
> >> pay as I go to a yearly thing, maybe...
>
> >> d.
>
> >Some quantum theorists would say not unless you were observed, so consider
> >the wave function thoroughly and securely disturbed. :) This long after Bohr
> >and Schroedinger there really ought to be better wit that that but I can't
> >think of some.
>
> Oh, I dunno, that was pretty witty, at least I can now sit for the rest of the
> evening and consider if "am I here?..."
> Anywho, Happy Holidays to those that are "There"!!
>
> d.
I keep going there and back
Merry Christmas and one FREE Electron for all.
(Buy one Photon, Get One Free!)
DougD
>I keep going there and back
>Merry Christmas and one FREE Electron for all.
>(Buy one Photon, Get One Free!)
(Offer not available in all states)
d.
Lostgallifreyan
But the electron would have to yield that photon before reaching the ground
state, no? :)
Dave
> In article <3ec9f480-796d-4a06-94e0-220e3a5e7...@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, Dave <chachaves...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I keep going there and back
> >Merry Christmas and one FREE Electron for all.
> >(Buy one Photon, Get One Free!)
>
> (Offer not available in all states)
>
> d.
;-)
Dave
> m...@here.com (DougD) wrote innews:gr4Zm.845$mr...@newsfe08.iad:
>
> > In article
> > <3ec9f480-796d-4a06-94e0-220e3a5e7...@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> > Dave <chachaves...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>I keep going there and back
> >>Merry Christmas and one FREE Electron for all.
> >>(Buy one Photon, Get One Free!)
>
> > (Offer not available in all states)
>
> > d.
>
> But the electron would have to yield that photon before reaching the ground
> state, no? :)
blue, red and purple state?
DougD
>
>blue, red and purple state?
These days it's all just one color, confusion...
So, I kinda hate to say it during the holidays, even more
so knowing that my daugther and her new husband have
to fly home in a few days, but I'm just kinda disgusted at how
easy it is for one lowly nutcase to be able to bring worldwide
security and everything it touches to a crawl!! Kinda puts a
new perspective on why the heck are billion$ and thousands
of lives being wasted if one lone Nigerian can still bring it all
down... Pretty soon, the only folks that will be able to fly will
have to do it nekked.. Not a pretty thought.. Unless maybe it's
on a Tiger Woods party plane.. (SkankAir)
sorry about that, holiday blues setting in I think..
d.
Dave
No apologies. Vent (or vacuum) anytime. Mine hasn't set it yet.
The bright side, no catastrophe. It could have been much worst. I just
hate it when they use the word "alleged"
I've got nothing against the Netherlands, but he did board through
Amsterdam....
Then again, If the secret service can allow two un-bravo dimwits past
WH security, I suppose anything is possible.
The thought of flying these days gives me new fears "cavity search"
Lostgallifreyan
d69a11...@j42g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
Agreed. Venting is better than nothing. This morning some guy took a shotgun
to the door of a flat two floors above me. Silence is the biggest obstacle to
getting this fixed. Took me a while to convince people that something serious
was going on during the past weeks, but because I did persist, people were
ready to act, and were not totally clueless, when the shit really hit the
fan. So it is in most terrorist events I imagine. This guy got through, but
bear in mind that most who attempt it likely do not. I know it only takes one
to do real damage, but when considering that, bear in mind that the amount of
real harm inflicted since '9/11' is very small, especially in Europe and the
US.
The price of peace is eternal vigilence. That's a lesson I think I graduated
in today.
DougD
>bear in mind that most who attempt it likely do not. I know it only takes one
>to do real damage, but when considering that, bear in mind that the amount of
>real harm inflicted since '9/11' is very small, especially in Europe and the
>US.
Welllll.... There's this kind of unseen "war" on terrorism that has just
sucked by now probably at least a trillion dollars out of the economy
away from the arts, sciences, social services, and created this
monster security state, with a huge erosion in privacy and
freedom. The freedom is the important one as previous generations
fought world wars, revolutionary wars, etc. to gain those freedoms
which have been wiped away by some very low tech ragtag
gangs of religious nuts, seems kinda a big waste of all those that
have gone before us.. And no one even seems to mind.. 10 years
ago if someone had said that soon we'd have to start undressing and
go through pat downs, no fly lists, etc. just to get on a plane, I would
have said they were crazy, now we don't even blink. Even worse, we
KNOW that all of this is just security theater, and it doesn't work!
d.
Lostgallifreyan
I wouldn't equate vigilence with the war on terror though. Not even two sides
of the same coin. Even vigilence can be bad, depends how, and who, etc..
Could argue that a police state thrives on vigilence. But what I mean is the
same basic awareness that keeps science reality-checked. It's not that
expensive, certainly not as expensive as carrying men and metal across
oceans. If it works right it should do what email does for paper mail, but
that analogy gives a sort of clue why it might not be working. While we have
these new powers, we don't trust them, they damage our sense of scale,
location, distance, privacy, etc.. and apart from anythign else the signal to
noise ratio isn't great, the number of signals huge, and some criminals and
terrorists will often be able to take advantage of that to plan their
actions. I guess vigilence won't really work till all of begin to adapt.
Right now it seems most people don't know if they worship a technical or
religious priesthood, and many are just as ready to worship Celebrity, at its
most base and venal. Until we adapt to the extreme changes in how we sense
our world, we're open to all kinds of manipulations. I guess close encounters
with dangerm, risk of death, are sometimes the only things that make people
see what's really important to them, unless they haven't isolated themselves
somehow. Add to that that we barely seem to know how to self-regulate our
lives, any regulation will either be (or seem to be) imposed on us. We won't
have lives without threat of war until we can do that, and figure out what
signals we really want from the world. Right now we seem to be like a world-
sized baby discovering telekinesis and exploring its own nightmares by acting
them out. Maybe the current obsession with YouTube, reality TV, etc, will be
part of the exorcism when people wake uyp to the fact that they have to live
with their dreams given the power we have to make them real now, so they stop
making nightmares so much. Part of that must be less paranoia, because if the
rich guard their limited wealth too assiduously while fearing any fall
because the only way is down for them if they do not hoarde further, the rest
of the world's needs will eventually outstrip their ability to continue like
that. If that's inevitable (and as Earth is a closed system suspended in a
vaccuum, it surely is unless we really apply that effort to directly deal
with that), then the surest chance of survival is to level the wealth, but
not fast for the same reason that breaking a dam floods instead of waters the
dry land below it. In a pathetic attempt to steer this post on-topic, it's
like a Q-switched laser pulse. Extreme wealth has power but lacks real
energy, and more energy could be had with less effort to attain extreme
power. Similarly, a TEC pumps more energy when it's not trying to pump at
maximum power, because best efficiency isn't at the peak of its capability.
The terrorists don't seem to concentrate like traditional armies. So if
'Western' powers don't learn from basic physics, I don't see how they can
'win', or even find a balance that prevents the actions of terrorists. People
often castigate Africa for its 'Big Stick' politics, but with our current
'understanding' of the War On Terror, I think we're as primitive as we
sometimes think they are.
Please spare me from temptation to do that again. :) I normally hate politics
and all its works. I have opinions about it, but I don't think they count for
much so I try not to say them often.
Dave
> m...@here.com (DougD) wrote innews:RZWZm.8623$8e4....@newsfe03.iad:
>
>
>
> > In article <Xns9CEE9581C7080zoodlewur...@216.196.109.145>,
> > Lostgallifreyan <no-...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> Please spare me from temptation to do that again. :) I normally hate politics
> and all its works. I have opinions about it, but I don't think they count for
> much so I try not to say them often.
Very eloquent indeed :)
Since the beginning of time. It's all been about power.
From several milli-watts to several watts of laser power (CW or
pulsed).
If history has taught us anything, "they" always seems to want more of
it, and lately it just seems we're moving towards that direction.
I'm not into conspiracy theories, but when you start to hear "our"
leaders speak openly about "a new world order"... I start to get
nervous.. & my diode drivers start over heating.....
I hate discussing this OT stuff as well. I have strong feeling about
this. My best option is to usually lurk....and stay out of
trouble... ;)
uumm, what about those new dandy green diode lasers I keep reading
about.... No more frequency doubling? :)
Dave
> that has just
> sucked by now probably at least a trillion dollars out of the economy
> away from .....
That's nothing compared to what we're seeing now. Just the tip of the
iceberg.
Lostgallifreyan
551f4f...@u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com:
> Very eloquent indeed :)
>
Thankyou. :) That might mask a multitude of screwups though. For one: I
notice I said something about figuring out what signals we want from the
world. That can easily be transposed, as easily as a simple formula, to
'seeing only what we want to see', which actually is part of the problem.
It's a powerful tool, it's why virtually every branch of science has some
kind of filter as tool, but it's a dangerous tool. I try to reality-check
myself every time I say stuff like this, as gross mistakes are so easy to
make. But I think that the more of us who do this, the better we will
navigate the changes.
Lostgallifreyan
551f4f...@u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com:
> uumm, what about those new dandy green diode lasers I keep reading
> about.... No more frequency doubling? :)
>
That crops up here at times. I'm interested too. Some say the motivation to
make them cheap isn't that strong as shorter wavelength is better for data
density, but small widgets to render colour display will surely be a strong
drive for this. I think this comes under the scope of dreams we have the
power to make. By 'we' I mean not me, but I think it will happen. But I won't
try to predict when they'll appear in Photon-Lexicon group buys. :)
Skywise
news:Xns9CEF6F69FEE...@216.196.109.145:
> Please spare me from temptation to do that again. :) I normally hate
> politics and all its works. I have opinions about it, but I don't think
> they count for much so I try not to say them often.
I was most pleased to read what you wrote. I no longer feel so
alone in this crazy mixed up world.
The scary part is that the only way I can think of to revive the
patient is to nearly kill it.
Brian
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news:yJe_m.424$Fn1...@newsfe13.ams2:
> Lostgallifreyan <no-...@nowhere.net> wrote in
> news:Xns9CEF6F69FEE...@216.196.109.145:
>
>> Please spare me from temptation to do that again. :) I normally hate
>> politics and all its works. I have opinions about it, but I don't think
>> they count for much so I try not to say them often.
>
> I was most pleased to read what you wrote. I no longer feel so
> alone in this crazy mixed up world.
>
> The scary part is that the only way I can think of to revive the
> patient is to nearly kill it.
>
> Brian
Maybe this is how we keep alt.lasers alive too? I don't mean the harsh
surgery that I also sometimes think might be the only answer if we don't
negotiate some way to agree a share in a world, I mean that if we don't mind
going off-topic a bit at times it might keep people more active here. I've
seen people in various groups who don't like it, but if people can do it
without flaming and trolling, why not? Sure it 'damages' the signal to noise
ratio, but there's more to a person than their job, and it takes more than a
single interest and focus to keep people together, which might be why forums
seem to dominate, people are more relaxed about that on forums. Usenet
sometimes seems like a library. But too much silence can harm the signal flow
as much as too much noise. Don't need to be a physicist to see how that
works. :)
Skywise
news:Xns9CF059BDBDF...@216.196.109.145:
> Maybe this is how we keep alt.lasers alive too? I don't mean the harsh
> surgery that I also sometimes think might be the only answer if we don't
> negotiate some way to agree a share in a world, I mean that if we don't
> mind going off-topic a bit at times it might keep people more active
> here. I've seen people in various groups who don't like it, but if
> people can do it without flaming and trolling, why not?
The thing with alt.lasers,a s wiht many forums that have been around
long enough, is that there is a comradery amongst those who have
been there a long time. Myself, I've been here probably about 15
years. It's "home" and I feel I know many here even though all I've
seen are photon representations of electrical signals representing
your persona's.
It's like Cheers.