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Shyam  
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 More options Jan 13 2005, 4:49 am
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From: "Shyam" <sams...@gmail.com>
Date: 13 Jan 2005 01:49:18 -0800
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Subject: Re: faqiraana aaye sadaa kar chale
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Hi,
Thanks for posting this beautiful ghazal. I guess the 4th--7th shers
are sung by Lata in the song. Is there a full version of it too?
I like it immensely(I guess because the tune is touching and sung
excellently by Lata), but not sure about the meanings. Request you to
post the meanings too.

Thanks,
Shyam


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Roshan  
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 More options Jan 13 2005, 10:23 am
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Date: 13 Jan 2005 07:23:09 -0800
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neo wrote:
> So beautifully sung by none other than Lata mangeshkar in bazar
movie.
> So many times I have heard this song, but still whenever I listen
this
> song, I feel strange nervous infinite peace in my mind.

> So let us refresh us with this memorable ghazal by Meer Taqi Meer..

Thanks for the posting neo.

For those who are interested, look up message id
378DEAED.C8383...@ececs.uc.edu using google's advanced search. It
should point you to a message thread from some years ago which deals
with this very Ghazal. You will be able to peek at a couple of aSh`Ar
in addition to what neo has already posted today.

cheers,
rosh


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Roshan  
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 More options Jan 13 2005, 10:35 am
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From: "Roshan" <roshb...@gmail.com>
Date: 13 Jan 2005 07:35:40 -0800
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Oops. I didn't realize that Google would 'censor' strings that look
like email ids. The message-id to look for is "378DEAED.C8383680"
followed by "@ececs.uc.edu". Alternatively, search for the subject
"Help with a poem".

rosh


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 More options Jan 14 2005, 10:20 am
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Date: 14 Jan 2005 07:20:41 -0800
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Thanks Roshan,
I could find the thread ...it has touched me so much..still getting
over it.
Not that I want to ;-)

Shyam


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 More options Jan 15 2005, 2:03 pm
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From: "Zafar" <paaba...@hotmail.com>
Date: 15 Jan 2005 11:03:15 -0800
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Subject: Re: faqiraana aaye sadaa kar chale
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Roshan saahib:

This Ghazal has 13 ash'aar (and not 9, as appears from your post).
What's more, I have an "unpublished" she'er of this Ghazal as well,
i.e., one that is not included in any kulliyaat.

Zafar


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 More options Jan 15 2005, 3:03 pm
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Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:03:55 -0800
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Zafar wrote at 1/15/2005 11:03 AM US-Pacific:

> Roshan saahib:

> This Ghazal has 13 ash'aar (and not 9, as appears from your post).
> What's more, I have an "unpublished" she'er of this Ghazal as well,
> i.e., one that is not included in any kulliyaat.

Why tempt the already tempted, Zafar saahib.  Please post the
remaining ash'aar of the Ghazal.

Expectantly yours,
-UVR.


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 More options Jan 16 2005, 2:09 am
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 07:09:30 GMT
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Zafar Sb.,

> This Ghazal has 13 ash'aar (and not 9, as appears from your post).
> What's more, I have an "unpublished" she'er of this Ghazal as well,
> i.e., one that is not included in any kulliyaat.

In 1999 when this Ghazal was discussed, the following additional aSh`Ar
'came to light':

    na dEkHA Gham-E dOstA.n Shukr haE
    hamI.n dAGh apnA dikHA kar ChalE

    ShifA apnI taqdIr hI mE.n na thI
    keH maqdUr tak tO davA kar ChalE
    [keH maqdUr bHar tO davA kar ChalE?]

    voH kyA ChIz tHI Ah jis kE li'E
    har ik ChIz sE dil uTHA kar ChalE

I hazard to guess that these are among the 13 aSh`Ar that you mentioned.
That still leaves us with 2 missing aSh`Ar!

I second UVR's request - please post those 'hidden gems' at your
earliest convenience.

eagerly,
rosh
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मेरा नाम है गोगो ! आँखेँ निकाल के गोटियाँ खेलूगा, गोटियाँ !
        - गोगो (शक्ती कपूर) [अदाज़ अपना अपना]


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 More options Jan 16 2005, 12:17 pm
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Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:17:32 -0800
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Roshan Kamath wrote at 1/15/2005 11:09 PM US-Pacific:

> [...]

Roshan saahib,

gustaaKhii m'aaf, for this OT post, but magar 'Andaaz Apna
Apna' ke hazrat-e-'gogo' kaa asl naam "शक्ती" kapoor naheeN,
"शक्ति" kapoor hai

Just thought you might like to know...

-UVR.


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 More options Jan 17 2005, 12:40 pm
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From: "Zafar" <paaba...@hotmail.com>
Date: 17 Jan 2005 09:40:52 -0800
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UVR wrote:

> Why tempt the already tempted, Zafar saahib.  Please post the
> remaining ash'aar of the Ghazal.

> Expectantly yours,

Your Expectancy!

aap ke shu'ala e ishtiyaaq ko havaa denaa maqsood naheeN thaa, bas maiN
hee apnee kitaaboN se thoRaa door thaa. Khair, ALUP ke record ke li'ye
pooree Ghazal haazir hai:

faqeeraana aa'ye sadaa kar chale
k miyaaN Khush raho ham du'aa kar chale

[ba'az nusKhoN meN doosre misre ke shuru' meN "k" naheeN hai, lekin
bazaahar yehee matn durust ma'aloom hotaa hai]

jo tujh bin na jeene ko kehte the ham
so is ehd ko ab vafaa kar chale

shifaa apnee taqdeer hee meN na thee
k maqdoor tak to davaa kar chale

vo kyaa cheez hai aah jis ke li'ye
har ik cheez se dil uThaa kar chale

paRe aise asbaab paayaan e kaar
k naachaar yooN jee jalaa kar chale*

*yehee vo "Ghair-matboo'a" she'er hai jis kaa maiN zikr kar rahaa thaa.
bas aik tas'heeh farmaa leeji'ye: chand maah pehle Bharat se Mir kee
aik kulliyaat shaa'e huvee hai jis meN she'er e haazaa maujood hai. is
ittilaa' ke li'ye maiN aik puraane ALUPer kaa mamnoon hooN.

ko'yee naa-umeedana karte nigaah
so tum ham se moonh bhee chhupaa kar chale

bahut aarzoo thee galee kee tiree
so yaaN se lahoo meN nahaa kar chale

dikhaa'yee di'ye yooN k bai-Khud kiyaa
hameN aap se bhee judaa kar chale

jabeeN sijda karte hee karte ghisee*
haq e bandagee ham adaa kar chale

*ba'az nusKhoN meN "ga'yee" hai

parishtish kee yaaN tak k ai but tujhe
nazar meN sabhoN kee Khudaa kar chale

jhaRe jis tarah* phool gul-ban se yooN
chaman meN jahaaN ke ham aa kar chale

ba'az nusKhoN meN "tarah" ke ba-jaa'ye "rang" hai

na dekhaa Gham e daustaaN shukr hai
hameeN daaGh apnaa dikhaa kar chale

ga'yee umr dar band e fikr e Ghazal
so ye kaam aisaa baRaa kar chale

kaheN kyaa jo poochhe ko'yee ham se Mir
jahaaN meN tum aa'ye the kyaa kar chale

---

Roshan jee:

"paabagil.." aik "dummy" email id hai jo maiN "spam" se bachne ke li'ye
istemaal kartaa hooN. aap mujhe mere puraane pate "zafar AT eurdubazaar
DOT com" par Khat likh sakte haiN (aur likhte rahe haiN! :)
aadaab arz hai,

Zafar


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 More options Jan 17 2005, 4:57 pm
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From: "Roshan" <roshb...@gmail.com>
Date: 17 Jan 2005 13:57:33 -0800
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Subject: Re: faqiraana aaye sadaa kar chale
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> faqeeraana aa'ye sadaa kar chale
> k miyaaN Khush raho ham du'aa kar chale

> [ba'az nusKhoN meN doosre misre ke shuru' meN "k" naheeN hai, lekin
> bazaahar yehee matn durust ma'aloom hotaa hai]

But, Zafar Sb., how does one reconcile/justify the metrical error that
this introduces?

Also, I'm trying, but I fail to see the real need for the "k". With the
"k", the reading of the She`r seems a tad convoluted, doesn't it? Mebbe
it is just me ...

> "paabagil.." aik "dummy" email id hai jo maiN "spam" se bachne ke
li'ye
> istemaal kartaa hooN. aap mujhe mere puraane pate "zafar AT
eurdubazaar
> DOT com" par Khat likh sakte haiN (aur likhte rahe haiN! :)

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't realize this when I was simply
doing a reply-to :)

cheers,
rosh


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 More options Jan 17 2005, 5:38 pm
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:38:25 -0800
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Zafar saahib:

maiN aap kaa shukrguzaar hooN k aap ne ek hi post meN tamaam
ash'aar darj kar diye.  ek do jagah aap se is zimn meN sawaal
karne the, so 'arz kartaa hooN

Zafar wrote at 1/17/2005 9:40 AM US-Pacific:

> faqeeraana aa'ye sadaa kar chale
> k miyaaN Khush raho ham du'aa kar chale

> [ba'az nusKhoN meN doosre misre ke shuru' meN "k" naheeN hai, lekin
> bazaahar yehee matn durust ma'aloom hotaa hai]

"bazaahar yahi matn durust ma'aloom hotaa hai" ya'ani che?
huzoor, misr'e ke shuru' meN lafz 'k' ke aane se yeh behr
se Khaarij ho jaataa hai, to phir yeh matn durust kyoNkar
huaa?  Khudaa-e-suKhan se to kam az kam aisi kotaahi ki
ummeed naheeN kee jaa sakti, haaN, yeh ain mumkin hai k
kisi kam-fehm "saahib-e-fan" ne kulliyaat-e-Meer shaa'e
hone se pehle is sh'er meN 'k' joR diyaa ho.  Gharaz k
is sh'er kii saheeh shakl yahii hai --

faqeeraana aaye sadaa kar chale
miyaaN Khush raho ham du'aa kar chale

Hmm.  yahaaN bhi wahi behr kaa chakkar ghus aayaa.  agar
"tarah" ko "rang" se 'simply replace' kar diyaa jaaye, to
yeh sh'er behr se Khaarij ho jaayega.  kaheeN yeh sh'er
asl meN yooN to naheeN --

jhaRe phool jis tarah gul-ban se yooN
chaman meN jahaaN ke ham aa kar chale

sh'er ke is "version" meN 'tarah' ko 'rang' se "in situ"
badalaa jaa saktaa hai.

NOW you tell us!  (mere bhi kuchh Khat is address se lauT aaye haiN:
silly me, never thought to try your other address!)

-UVR.


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 More options Jan 19 2005, 4:05 pm
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From: "Zafar" <paaba...@hotmail.com>
Date: 19 Jan 2005 13:05:54 -0800
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UVR jee: maanaa k ham aap kee tarah "behr e urooz" ke shinaavar naheeN
haiN, par itnaa to ham bhee jaan hee lete haiN k she'er vazn meN hai
yaa naheeN (typo kee baat doosree hai). Khair, agar maiN aap kee jagah
hotaa to sochtaa k aaKhir yooN likhaa hai to ko'yee vajh zaroor ho gee.
na'eeN? chali'ye, isee bahaane aap kee nazar meN apnee "rating" to
ma'aloom ho ga'yee :)

mahaaraaj e man: aap ko ye ma'aloom naheeN hai k Mir aksar "miyaaN" ko
bar vazn e *fa'* (weight 2) baandhte haiN, na k bar vazn e *fe'el*
(weight 1-2). Mir ne kuchh naheeN to pachaas martaba aisaa kiyaa ho
gaa. deevaan e duvam kee aik Ghazal dekhi'ye jis meN Mir ne *23* baar
miyaaN ko bar vazn e fa' baandhaa hai

matla' e saanee
qand kaa kaun is qadar maa'il hai "miyaaN"
jo hai un honToN hee kaa qaa'il hai "miyaaN"

maqta'
kee ziyaarat Mir kee ham ne bhee kal
laa-ubaalee saa hai par kaamil hai "miyaaN"

(Mir ke doosre davaaveen meN isee radeef -- aur vazn -- meN aur
GhazaleN bhee mil jaa'yeN gee):

> > "paabagil.." aik "dummy" email id hai jo maiN "spam" se bachne ke
li'ye
> > istemaal kartaa hooN. aap mujhe mere puraane pate "zafar AT
eurdubazaar
> > DOT com" par Khat likh sakte haiN (aur likhte rahe haiN! :)
> > aadaab arz hai,

> NOW you tell us!  (mere bhi kuchh Khat is address se lauT aaye haiN:
> silly me, never thought to try your other address!)

> -UVR.

maiN saKht hairaan huvaa hooN k aap har do hazraat (jin se kaafee
Kitaabat rahee hai) mere asl pate kee ba-jaa'yee kisee aur pate par
Khat likhne kee koshish karte rahe haiN. yaa bul-'ajab!  

Zafar


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