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Ed Cryer

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May 9, 2012, 9:51:34 AM5/9/12
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An Englishman walked into a bar in Berlin and ordered dry Martini. He
got three.
A Frenchman walked into a bar in Edinburgh and ordered trois bières. He
got two.

Ed
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Ed Cryer

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May 9, 2012, 1:43:19 PM5/9/12
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B. T. Raven wrote:
> Die Wed May 09 2012 12:29:00 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) B. T.
> Raven<ni...@nihilo.net> scripsit:
>
>> Die Wed May 09 2012 08:51:34 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) Ed Cryer
>> <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> scripsit:
>> Anglus in tabernam potoriam Berolini intravit ubi temetum
>> Martini-Rossinum poposcit. Tria pocula nactus est.
>>
>> Francus in tabernam potoriam Edimburgi intravit ubi tres cerevisias
>> poposcit. Duas lagenas accepit.
>>
>> I don't get the second pun. It might sound like strawberries or draw
>> beer. How does it sound like two?
>
>
> Is twa used by Burns or Scott?
>

I knew you'd get it!
http://www.worldburnsclub.com/poems/translations/521.htm
http://www.bigreddirectory.com/twa-tams-perth

Ed

Ed Cryer

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May 9, 2012, 1:56:57 PM5/9/12
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There's also this one,
http://www.twadogs.co.uk/home.htm
closer to home, in the Lake District, where I drank a glass recently
after climbing to the top of Catbells; on the shores of Derwent Water.
Staggeringly beautiful on a rain-free day!
http://tinyurl.com/cc9ry63

Ed


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Richard van Schaik

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May 9, 2012, 6:49:31 PM5/9/12
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Could you explain this one a bit further please. Twa and Trois do not
even seem close in pronunciation in my ears. Could be I pronounce
differently because Dutch. How to make pronunciation clear across this
group in unclear to me as I do not understand the shorthand notes
existing for this problem.

First one is no problem as indeed the English "Dry" and the German
"Drei" are similarly pronounced.

Richard

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John W Kennedy

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May 9, 2012, 8:38:11 PM5/9/12
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"Trois", as pronounced by English speakers attempting to pronounce the
French uvular "r" and failing at it, comes out sounding /very/ like
Scots "twa". (As a semiprofessional opera singer, I am all too familiar
with the problem; I have it myself.)

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Ed Cryer

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May 10, 2012, 2:01:56 PM5/10/12
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These two sound very similar to me.
http://www.forvo.com/word/trois/
http://www.forvo.com/word/twa_mile/

Ed


Richard van Schaik

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May 11, 2012, 6:31:34 PM5/11/12
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On 10-05-2012 20:01, Ed Cryer wrote:
> These two sound very similar to me.
> http://www.forvo.com/word/trois/
> http://www.forvo.com/word/twa_mile/

First has a clear "r" followed by a faint "w" type of sound due to
following letters (some like tr'w'a). Second has a clear "w" type of
sound with a hint of an "r" in it due to the "a" following (some like
tw"r"a). Similar but distinct I think.

Thanks for the examples!
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