Bonus Vrsp.?

Florian Pampelmus

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May 12, 2012, 12:31:31 PM5/12/12

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Dear all,

I have a latin handwriting of 1618 here. It is a kind of a letter or
poem that closes with the words "Bonus Vrsp.". Does anyone have an idea
what Vrsp. could mean?

--
Florian

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Johannes Patruus

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May 12, 2012, 2:03:10 PM5/12/12

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On 12/05/2012 18:40, B. T. Raven wrote:
> Die Sat May 12 2012 11:31:31 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) Florian
> Pampelmus<florian....@web.de> scripsit:

> It could be many things. Are you sure of your transcription? Vester ??
> salutem plurimam.... Vir religiosus... ?? Can you post the page image
> anywhere. A jpeg from a cell phone is probably high enough resolution.

I can't get a handle on "Vrsp". At the end of an (epistolatory) letter one
could conjecture it might mean "Velim respondeas si placet".

Possible, yes. Probable, no.

Patruus Implausibilis

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Florian Pampelmus

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May 12, 2012, 3:47:52 PM5/12/12

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Am 12.05.2012 20:03, schrieb Johannes Patruus:
> On 12/05/2012 18:40, B. T. Raven wrote:
>> It could be many things. Are you sure of your transcription? Vester ??
>> salutem plurimam.... Vir religiosus... ?? Can you post the page image
>> anywhere. A jpeg from a cell phone is probably high enough resolution.

Here are the two pages of the document:

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9392/page1jr.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3003/page2fr.jpg

> I can't get a handle on "Vrsp". At the end of an (epistolatory) letter
> one could conjecture it might mean "Velim respondeas si placet".
>
> Possible, yes. Probable, no.

Might be a possibility indeed.

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Ed Cryer

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May 13, 2012, 8:55:27 AM5/13/12

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B. T. Raven wrote:
> Die Sat May 12 2012 14:47:52 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) Florian
> Pampelmus<florian....@web.de> scripsit:
>

> Could be. My guess is Bonus v(ester) s(alutem) p(lurimam) but also maybe
> "Bonus v(elis) r(e)sp(ondere)= Be a good fellow and write back.
>
> Who knows?
>
> The line above seems to be:
>
> .... pellegas ergo, et pellectis vna cum hodiernis literis Domino
> Pastori, transmittas.
>
> Is page 1 the pasquinade (pasquillum??) found affixed to the school door?

That's a fascinating couple of pages; and they appear to be written on a
palimpsest. Deceit, betrayal and treachery. So many ways of expressing
"anguis in herba".
Attempted (and sometimes hit) hexameters.
Who the dickens were Chilianus et Hortichius?

Are you sure it's "school" door? Ianuae sebolarum affixum? Sebolae???
The letter itself came "ex musaeo".

Ed

Florian Pampelmus

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May 13, 2012, 9:49:04 AM5/13/12

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Am 13.05.2012 14:55, schrieb Ed Cryer:

> Who the dickens were Chilianus et Hortichius?

Kilian Hortich was a preacher and initiator of an old foundation (1609)
in Aken/Germany (100 km SW of Berlin) that is still giving out study
stipends to decendants of the original sponsors. They have a large set
of documents collected throughout the last 400 years, and this is one of
them. It is yet unclear why it was written this way, and to what purpose.

Here's some background information on the foundation (in German):
http://www.hortich-stiftung.de/ub-stiftung.html

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Ed Cryer

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May 13, 2012, 11:14:29 AM5/13/12

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Sehr interessant!
So, then, I grant "ianua scholarum".

Ed

John Townsend

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May 13, 2012, 2:00:05 PM5/13/12

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It looks like "Ronus --sp". Isn't it the signature of the writer?

Best wishes,

John Townsend
Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist
http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk