I have programmed a selection of Marian motets for an upcoming concert, and I am in need of some translation assistance. For most of the texts below, I have supplied text and imperfect translations, for which I ask your improvements. The third text (Isaac's "O decus ecclesiae") seems to be in the late-15th-century overly-florid style of liturgical declamation, which makes it more challenging - for that one, rather than submit a mistake-ridden monstrosity, I simply submit the Latin, for your perusal and suggestions.
Thanks, once again, for your many kindnesses -
ChoirMan
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1a. Ave Sanctissima Maria (Gombert)
Ave, Sanctissima Maria, mater Dei, Regina caeli, porta paradisi, Domina mundi, pura singularis: Tu es Virgo, tu concepisti Jesum sine peccato, tu peperisti creatorem et Salvatorem mundi in quo non dubito: libera me ab omnia malo, et ora pro peccatis meis.
Hail, Most Holy Mary, mother of God, Queen of Heaven, gate of paradise, Queen of the earth, uniquely pure: You are the Virgin; without sin you conceived Jesus; you carried the creator and Savior of the world; of this, there is no doubt. Free me from all evil, and pray for my sins.
1b. Ave Sanctissima Maria, v.2 (La Rue)
Ave, Sanctissima Maria, mater Dei, Regina caeli, porta paradisi, Domina mundi. Tu es singularis Virgo pura. Tu concepisti Jesum de Spiritu Sancto. Creatorem mundi in quo ego non dubito. Ora pro me Jesum dilectum tuum, et libera me ab omnibus malis.
Hail, Most Holy Mary, mother of God, Queen of Heaven, gate of paradise, Queen of the earth. You are the singularly pure Virgin. You conceived Jesus by the Holy Spirit. The creator of the world, in whom I do not doubt. Pray for me, O Jesus—I desire you, and free me from all evil.
2. Ave Regina caelorum (Obrecht)
Ave Regina caelorum, Mater Regis angelorum: O Maria, flos virginum velut rosa velut lilium. Funde preces ad Filium pro salute fidelium.
Hail, Queen of heaven, Mother of the King of angels: O Mary, virgin and flower like the rose, like the lily. Pour out prayers to the Son for the salvation of the faithful.
3. O decus ecclesiae Virgo (Isaac)
O decus ecclesiae Virgo O gloriosissima mundi salve et cardine gloria magna chori domus magni reverende et maxima preses summe pates grata innumeranter manu. Tu spes care venus tu marina, tu regula in te virgines que tu firma columna, Dei. Te laudant omnes et plaudant undique turbe, spargitur in lato nomen in urbe tuum sic habeas, quecumque precatus pura voluntas. Sic vitae ditans det tibi ditans det tibi secla Deus ut pia purpurea tingit tua tempora amictus, ambiat et sacrum sicut diadema caput: Amen.
[cantus firmus:] O decus virgo salve dive domus summe pates grata tu spes care venus Tu regula virgines columna. Te laudant omnes spargitur in tuum quecumque precatus sic vitae ditans det secla Deus tingit tua amictus caput.
> I have programmed a selection of Marian motets for an upcoming > concert, and I am in need of some translation assistance. For most of > the texts below, I have supplied text and imperfect translations, for > which I ask your improvements. The third text (Isaac's "O decus > ecclesiae") seems to be in the late-15th-century overly-florid style > of liturgical declamation, which makes it more challenging - for that > one, rather than submit a mistake-ridden monstrosity, I simply submit > the Latin, for your perusal and suggestions.
> Thanks, once again, for your many kindnesses -
> ChoirMan
> * * *
> 1a. Ave Sanctissima Maria (Gombert)
> Ave, Sanctissima Maria, > mater Dei, Regina caeli, > porta paradisi, Domina mundi, > pura singularis: > Tu es Virgo, > tu concepisti Jesum sine peccato, > tu peperisti creatorem et Salvatorem mundi > in quo non dubito: > libera me ab omnia malo, > et ora pro peccatis meis.
> Hail, Most Holy Mary, > mother of God, Queen of Heaven, > gate of paradise, Queen of the earth, > uniquely pure: > You are the Virgin; > without sin you conceived Jesus; > you carried the creator and Savior of the world; > of this, there is no doubt. > Free me from all evil, > and pray for my sins.
"Domina mundi" is Lady (or mistress) of the (or this) world. (It's difficult to find a rendering of "Domina" which doesn't have unfortunate overtones in English. So perhaps better to stick with "Queen"!)
> Ave, Sanctissima Maria, > mater Dei, Regina caeli, > porta paradisi, Domina mundi. > Tu es singularis Virgo pura. > Tu concepisti Jesum de Spiritu Sancto. > Creatorem mundi in quo ego non dubito. > Ora pro me Jesum dilectum tuum, > et libera me ab omnibus malis.
> Hail, Most Holy Mary, > mother of God, Queen of Heaven, > gate of paradise, Queen of the earth. > You are the singularly pure Virgin. > You conceived Jesus by the Holy Spirit. > The creator of the world, in whom I do not doubt. > Pray for me, O Jesus—I desire you, > and free me from all evil.
> 2. Ave Regina caelorum (Obrecht)
> Ave Regina caelorum, Mater Regis angelorum: > O Maria, flos virginum velut rosa velut lilium. > Funde preces ad Filium pro salute fidelium.
> Hail, Queen of heaven, Mother of the King of angels: > O Mary, virgin and flower like the rose, like the lily. > Pour out prayers to the Son for the salvation of the faithful.
> 3. O decus ecclesiae Virgo (Isaac)
> O decus ecclesiae Virgo > O gloriosissima mundi salve et cardine gloria magna chori domus magni > reverende et maxima preses summe pates grata innumeranter manu. > Tu spes care venus > tu marina, tu regula in te virgines que tu firma columna, Dei. > Te laudant omnes > et plaudant undique turbe, > spargitur in lato nomen in urbe tuum sic habeas, > quecumque precatus pura voluntas. > Sic vitae ditans det tibi ditans det tibi secla Deus ut pia purpurea > tingit tua tempora amictus, > ambiat et sacrum sicut diadema caput: Amen.
> [cantus firmus:] > O decus virgo salve > dive domus summe pates grata > tu spes care venus > Tu regula virgines columna. > Te laudant omnes spargitur in tuum > quecumque precatus sic vitae ditans det secla Deus tingit tua amictus > caput.
>> I have programmed a selection of Marian motets for an upcoming >> concert, and I am in need of some translation assistance. For most >> of >> the texts below, I have supplied text and imperfect translations, for >> which I ask your improvements. The third text (Isaac's "O decus >> ecclesiae") seems to be in the late-15th-century overly-florid style >> of liturgical declamation, which makes it more challenging - for that >> one, rather than submit a mistake-ridden monstrosity, I simply submit >> the Latin, for your perusal and suggestions.
>> Thanks, once again, for your many kindnesses -
>> ChoirMan
>> * * *
>> 1a. Ave Sanctissima Maria (Gombert)
>> Ave, Sanctissima Maria, >> mater Dei, Regina caeli, >> porta paradisi, Domina mundi, >> pura singularis: >> Tu es Virgo, >> tu concepisti Jesum sine peccato, >> tu peperisti creatorem et Salvatorem mundi >> in quo non dubito: >> libera me ab omnia malo, >> et ora pro peccatis meis.
>> Hail, Most Holy Mary, >> mother of God, Queen of Heaven, >> gate of paradise, Queen of the earth, >> uniquely pure: >> You are the Virgin; >> without sin you conceived Jesus; >> you carried the creator and Savior of the world; >> of this, there is no doubt. >> Free me from all evil, >> and pray for my sins.
> "Domina mundi" is Lady (or mistress) of the (or this) world. (It's > difficult to find a rendering of "Domina" which doesn't have > unfortunate overtones in English. So perhaps better to stick with > "Queen"!)
> "non dubito" is not impersonal but personal - "I do not doubt"
> "omnia" is, I presume, a typo for "omni".
> That's all I have time for today.
> Patruus
>> 1b. Ave Sanctissima Maria, v.2 (La Rue)
>> Ave, Sanctissima Maria, >> mater Dei, Regina caeli, >> porta paradisi, Domina mundi. >> Tu es singularis Virgo pura. >> Tu concepisti Jesum de Spiritu Sancto. >> Creatorem mundi in quo ego non dubito. >> Ora pro me Jesum dilectum tuum, >> et libera me ab omnibus malis.
>> Hail, Most Holy Mary, >> mother of God, Queen of Heaven, >> gate of paradise, Queen of the earth. >> You are the singularly pure Virgin. >> You conceived Jesus by the Holy Spirit. >> The creator of the world, in whom I do not doubt. >> Pray for me, O Jesus—I desire you, >> and free me from all evil.
>> 2. Ave Regina caelorum (Obrecht)
>> Ave Regina caelorum, Mater Regis angelorum: >> O Maria, flos virginum velut rosa velut lilium. >> Funde preces ad Filium pro salute fidelium.
>> Hail, Queen of heaven, Mother of the King of angels: >> O Mary, virgin and flower like the rose, like the lily. >> Pour out prayers to the Son for the salvation of the faithful.
>> 3. O decus ecclesiae Virgo (Isaac)
>> O decus ecclesiae Virgo >> O gloriosissima mundi salve et cardine gloria magna chori domus magni >> reverende et maxima preses summe pates grata innumeranter manu. >> Tu spes care venus >> tu marina, tu regula in te virgines que tu firma columna, Dei. >> Te laudant omnes >> et plaudant undique turbe, >> spargitur in lato nomen in urbe tuum sic habeas, >> quecumque precatus pura voluntas. >> Sic vitae ditans det tibi ditans det tibi secla Deus ut pia purpurea >> tingit tua tempora amictus, >> ambiat et sacrum sicut diadema caput: Amen.
>> [cantus firmus:] >> O decus virgo salve >> dive domus summe pates grata >> tu spes care venus >> Tu regula virgines columna. >> Te laudant omnes spargitur in tuum >> quecumque precatus sic vitae ditans det secla Deus tingit tua amictus >> caput.
I've found an online document for Heinrich Isaac's O Decus Ecclesiae Virgo; with translation. http://tinyurl.com/46cn3w
> I have programmed a selection of Marian motets for an upcoming > concert, and I am in need of some translation assistance. For most of > the texts below, I have supplied text and imperfect translations, for > which I ask your improvements. The third text (Isaac's "O decus > ecclesiae") seems to be in the late-15th-century overly-florid style > of liturgical declamation, which makes it more challenging - for that > one, rather than submit a mistake-ridden monstrosity, I simply submit > the Latin, for your perusal and suggestions.
> Thanks, once again, for your many kindnesses -
> ChoirMan
> * * *
> 1a. Ave Sanctissima Maria (Gombert)
> Ave, Sanctissima Maria, > mater Dei, Regina caeli, > porta paradisi, Domina mundi, > pura singularis: > Tu es Virgo, > tu concepisti Jesum sine peccato, > tu peperisti creatorem et Salvatorem mundi > in quo non dubito: > libera me ab omnia malo, > et ora pro peccatis meis.
> Hail, Most Holy Mary, > mother of God, Queen of Heaven, > gate of paradise, Queen of the earth, > uniquely pure: > You are the Virgin; > without sin you conceived Jesus; > you carried the creator and Savior of the world; > of this, there is no doubt. > Free me from all evil, > and pray for my sins.
> 1b. Ave Sanctissima Maria, v.2 (La Rue)
> Ave, Sanctissima Maria, > mater Dei, Regina caeli, > porta paradisi, Domina mundi. > Tu es singularis Virgo pura. > Tu concepisti Jesum de Spiritu Sancto. > Creatorem mundi in quo ego non dubito. > Ora pro me Jesum dilectum tuum, > et libera me ab omnibus malis.
> Hail, Most Holy Mary, > mother of God, Queen of Heaven, > gate of paradise, Queen of the earth.
I don't have a problem with "mistress of the world" but others might. You could use "ruler" or "empress" if you want something to distinguish between regina and domina.
> You are the singularly pure Virgin. > You conceived Jesus by the Holy Spirit. > The creator of the world, in whom I do not doubt. > Pray for me, O Jesus—I desire you,
[Something's wrong here (above). Are you sure of the original?
> Ave Regina caelorum, Mater Regis angelorum: > O Maria, flos virginum velut rosa velut lilium. > Funde preces ad Filium pro salute fidelium.
> Hail, Queen of heaven, Mother of the King of angels: > O Mary, virgin and flower like the rose, like the lily. > Pour out prayers to the Son for the salvation of the faithful.
> 3. O decus ecclesiae Virgo (Isaac)
> O decus ecclesiae Virgo > O gloriosissima mundi salve et cardine gloria magna chori domus magni > reverende et maxima preses summe pates grata innumeranter manu. > Tu spes care venus > tu marina, tu regula in te virgines que tu firma columna, Dei. > Te laudant omnes > et plaudant undique turbe, > spargitur in lato nomen in urbe tuum sic habeas, > quecumque precatus pura voluntas. > Sic vitae ditans det tibi ditans det tibi secla Deus ut pia purpurea > tingit tua tempora amictus, > ambiat et sacrum sicut diadema caput: Amen.
> [cantus firmus:] > O decus virgo salve > dive domus summe pates grata > tu spes care venus > Tu regula virgines columna. > Te laudant omnes spargitur in tuum > quecumque precatus sic vitae ditans det secla Deus tingit tua amictus > caput.
confer: " O decus ecclesiae virgo gloriosissima mundi salve et cardinalis gloria magna chori dive domus magni reverende et maxima praeses summe pates grata innumeranter manu. Tu spes care venus tu marina tu regula in te naves que tu firma columna Dei. Te laudant omnes et plaudant undique turbae spargitur in lata nomen in urbe tuum. Sic habeas quecumque precatum pura voluntate sic vitae ditans det tibi secla Deus ut pia purpurea tingit tua tempora amictus ambiat et sacrum sicut diadema caput. Amen. "
from site cited by Ed, modified in places. Notice the heretical translation of "praeses" as goddess. And compared with venus (or beauty) but why care venus? Why tu regula....tu firma (imperatives?) Marina can't be a verb. Are the ships in Maria Marina? Navesque or naves quas?
Johannes Patruus wrote: > ChoirMan wrote: >> Dear Latinists,
>> I have programmed a selection of Marian motets for an upcoming >> concert, and I am in need of some translation assistance. For most of >> the texts below, I have supplied text and imperfect translations, for >> which I ask your improvements. The third text (Isaac's "O decus >> ecclesiae") seems to be in the late-15th-century overly-florid style >> of liturgical declamation, which makes it more challenging - for that >> one, rather than submit a mistake-ridden monstrosity, I simply submit >> the Latin, for your perusal and suggestions.
>> Thanks, once again, for your many kindnesses -
>> ChoirMan
>> * * *
>> 1a. Ave Sanctissima Maria (Gombert)
>> Ave, Sanctissima Maria, >> mater Dei, Regina caeli, >> porta paradisi, Domina mundi, >> pura singularis: >> Tu es Virgo, >> tu concepisti Jesum sine peccato, >> tu peperisti creatorem et Salvatorem mundi >> in quo non dubito: >> libera me ab omnia malo, >> et ora pro peccatis meis.
>> Hail, Most Holy Mary, >> mother of God, Queen of Heaven, >> gate of paradise, Queen of the earth, >> uniquely pure: >> You are the Virgin; >> without sin you conceived Jesus; >> you carried the creator and Savior of the world; >> of this, there is no doubt. >> Free me from all evil, >> and pray for my sins.
> "Domina mundi" is Lady (or mistress) of the (or this) world. (It's > difficult to find a rendering of "Domina" which doesn't have unfortunate > overtones in English. So perhaps better to stick with "Queen"!)
> "non dubito" is not impersonal but personal - "I do not doubt"
> "omnia" is, I presume, a typo for "omni".
> That's all I have time for today.
> Patruus
>> 1b. Ave Sanctissima Maria, v.2 (La Rue)
>> Ave, Sanctissima Maria, >> mater Dei, Regina caeli, >> porta paradisi, Domina mundi. >> Tu es singularis Virgo pura. >> Tu concepisti Jesum de Spiritu Sancto. >> Creatorem mundi in quo ego non dubito. >> Ora pro me Jesum dilectum tuum, >> et libera me ab omnibus malis.
>> Hail, Most Holy Mary, >> mother of God, Queen of Heaven, >> gate of paradise, Queen of the earth. >> You are the singularly pure Virgin. >> You conceived Jesus by the Holy Spirit. >> The creator of the world, in whom I do not doubt. >> Pray for me, O Jesus—I desire you, >> and free me from all evil.
"Ora pro me Jesum dilectum tuum" is "Pray for me to Jesus, your beloved."
"Tu es singularis Virgo pura" might alternatively be any or all of the following: - You alone are a pure virgin. - You, Virgin, are singularly pure. - You are the only pure virgin.
>> Ave Regina caelorum, Mater Regis angelorum: >> O Maria, flos virginum velut rosa velut lilium. >> Funde preces ad Filium pro salute fidelium.
>> Hail, Queen of heaven, Mother of the King of angels: >> O Mary, virgin and flower like the rose, like the lily. >> Pour out prayers to the Son for the salvation of the faithful.
>> 3. O decus ecclesiae Virgo (Isaac)
>> O decus ecclesiae Virgo >> O gloriosissima mundi salve et cardine gloria magna chori domus magni >> reverende et maxima preses summe pates grata innumeranter manu. >> Tu spes care venus >> tu marina, tu regula in te virgines que tu firma columna, Dei. >> Te laudant omnes >> et plaudant undique turbe, >> spargitur in lato nomen in urbe tuum sic habeas, >> quecumque precatus pura voluntas. >> Sic vitae ditans det tibi ditans det tibi secla Deus ut pia purpurea >> tingit tua tempora amictus, >> ambiat et sacrum sicut diadema caput: Amen.
>> [cantus firmus:] >> O decus virgo salve >> dive domus summe pates grata >> tu spes care venus >> Tu regula virgines columna. >> Te laudant omnes spargitur in tuum >> quecumque precatus sic vitae ditans det secla Deus tingit tua amictus >> caput.
ChoirMan wrote: > 2. Ave Regina caelorum (Obrecht)
> Ave Regina caelorum, Mater Regis angelorum: > O Maria, flos virginum velut rosa velut lilium. > Funde preces ad Filium pro salute fidelium.
> Hail, Queen of heaven, Mother of the King of angels: > O Mary, virgin and flower like the rose, like the lily. > Pour out prayers to the Son for the salvation of the faithful.
'Virginum' is genitive plural, giving us "flower of virgins".
For 'Filium', "your Son" might be better than "the Son".
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